I fucking hate them to my core. They often buy up land, then totally ban access to the public, even in places where public access was previously legal, with zero explanation about why, while bragging and showing off videos of the beautiful overlooks they would love to arrest you for trespassing to get to on their website. If they DO allow access, there's never any signage, adequate parking, let alone improved trails. They truly do not give a fuck and I imagine them as hateful boomers who pat themselves on the back "oh the land is protected now!" as they ban access. It might as well be private land. It has all been logged already.
>>2851127Based retard.The Nature Conservancy leased a huge stretch of private land near me and opened it to the public for walking and fishing. They're the only reason the land is even accessible to the public now and they shake down the landowners to ensure everyone has 24/7 unrestricted access. My volunteer org works with them a little bit and they're great to deal with.
>>2851131there's many more examples where their control only leads to access restrictions
>>2851132Name 7
just go on their website and for tennessee alone you can see the following listed as "closed":https://www.nature.org/en-us/about-us/where-we-work/united-states/tennessee/tennessee-places-we-protect/6 on that list aloneplus https://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/upper-shavers-fork-preserve/you need to get permission to hikehttps://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/ice-mountain-preserve/you need a tour to hikehttps://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/greenland-gap-preserve/technically no access restrictions but they don't maintain it at all, no signage, no bridge over the water crossing, they used to have a trail in the 1950s up until 2011ish that they abandoned https://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/bottom-creek-gorge/you can't really get the best view of the waterfall without violating the rules
>>2851127I live in the Great Plains and this is one of the few organizations that gives a shit about restoring the prairie ecosystem. I like them.
>>2851135They're the only organization I've seen that has managed to get ranchers to allow public access to their ag land. To put it in perspective, the only other entity I've seen successfully separate ranchers from ag land, is the state. And only when it wins an eminent domain case.
>>2851134>REEEEEEEEEEE, why can't I tramp all over a delicate ecosystem to get the best shot for my insta?
>>2851134Your post is so retardedly consumerist it almost glows
>>2851166its not as if this is virgin landmost of it has been fully timbered before - it is pre-trodand most of these places allowed visitors to some extent before the Nature Conservancy bought the landI'm not trying to destroy anything, leave trash etc. I just want to be able to park legally and hike sunrise to sunset without weird restrictions.
>>2851169Its sounds like you can park and hike legally with no permission at the biggest one but you are a trail bitch.
>>2851241I gave multiple examples where that's not the case.
>>2851127Would you prefer the land to be bought by real estate developers?
>>2851656No, I think it should be owned by a private-public partnership and they should build way more fucking parking and fix the trails up. Put donation boxes everywhere. Put links (qr codes) to where you can donate online. Put ads up at the trailhead or even along the trail. But no gates, and you should be able to enter 1 hour before sunrise and leave 1 hour after sunset. The American obsession with making you be places at ultra specific hours even when they are outside drives me insane. Not that it matters, in this particular case you just aren't supposed to be on this land at all. And the funny part is the overlook itself IS on public land, but to get to it, you have to cross over nature conservancy land, so that's illegal. And they've never once thought HMM maybe we should amend this policy so people can access a beautiful 180 degree overlook that used to be accessible to the public and popular.
>>2851656Yes I want to own it. Obviously.
>>2851134All of that area is accessible if you have a gun, anon
I am pretty sure they only buy private land. All nature conservancy spots near me are nice as hell. Boo hoo you have to pay 5 dollars admission get a job. Would you rather it be a strip mall? shut up
>>2851818>Boo hoo you have to pay 5 dollars admissionI don't think Nature Conservancy spots ever charge money. Also, I think this was somehow privately owned but it was basically open to the public and in any event I think trespassing was pretty darn common 50 years ago. I mean, people were accessing this overlook in the early 2000s and before, but then NC buys the land, and issues some statement saying they will preserve access for hikers - nah - completely banned, closed to the public.
>>2851830>in any event I think trespassing was pretty darn common 50 years agoSo keep trespassing?Is the NC really gonna pursue it?
>>2852022>Is the NC really gonna pursue it?I am highly risk averse and don't want to end up in a jail in the south i feel like people somehow got extra-territorial the last 50 years and have no room for compromise
>>2851830What was the property?
>>2852025scott's gulf/caney fork tnhttps://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/bridgestone-nature-reserve-at-chestnut-mountain/
>>2852027you just make this thread or did you send them an email atleast semi politely asking why its restricted.
>>2852028Well, I sent the land manager of the adjacent WMA an email asking if a particular overlook could be accessed, and he said no, because you would have to cross Nature Conservancy land that's not open to the public. I suppose I could ask the Nature Conservancy why, but I have a feeling I am just going to get some terse, boilerplate answer about "habitat restoration".I wouldn't really care but it seems like there's a beautiful overlook with a 180 degree view https://www.flickr.com/photos/cavertim/3032533761/that people used to visit, but I can't even figure out WHERE it is, and I've dealt with Nature Conservancy before, and imho when they buy land they want the animals to enjoy it, they are anti-human for the most part. This gorge is one of the prettiest in TN, and it's my understanding there are multiple overlooks that have access issues but at one point may have been casually enjoyed by locals.
>>2852023>I am highly risk averse>I am a little bitchFtfyLook, mate, I don't mean to be rude but if you want to access some land and it's not someone's individual property or a family farm then just fucking do it. In the unlikely event that you run into someone who gives you grief then politely apologise, explain that you must've got turned around and fuck off.
>>2852034Its ok, be rude, this fat fuck fills this board with his whining and I'm tired of it
>>2851168This statement makes no sense. What does consumerism have to do with a glowie? Nothing. You dumb faggot.
>>2851657
They're called the Nature Conservancy, not the Recreation Conservancy you dingbat
>>2852027There is one trail open in the reserve. They will open it entirely to the public at some point and likely donate it to the State of TN. It was owned by Bridgestone tire company- would you rather have it as a corporate retreat and closed entirely to the public for ever? cuz that was their plan before the TNC convinced them otherwise. You should be applauding their restoration efforts rathert than whining like a bitch.its only 5000+ acres in an area with 70,000+ accessible acres...https://www.chattanoogan.com/2023/4/27/468154/TDEC-Nature-Conservancy-Open-Dry-Creek.aspx
>>2852107my understanding is it never was a corporate retreat, just a planned one, and it would only need to be a TINY fraction of the huge ass property just as an easement to let hikers through to see an overlookto be fair, the overlook may have other issues like terrain or a crappy trail but those could be fixed too if they cared >You should be applauding their restoration effortslolthere's multiple overlooks that seem totally inaccessible unless you trespassmultiple overlooks that are closed much of the winter (possibly, they don't even clearly list closure dates on their website - I can't figure it out), and one waterfall that used to have a road right to it but now is an arduous 9 mi trail with a lot of elevation gain such that they have a helipad on site for rescues but THAT trail is open 365 - though camping is by reservation only everything is so halfassed in america it drives me insane it could be so wonderful and easyclearly marked overlooks, roads leading as close as possible to them, clearing brush obstructing them, etc.
>>2852110>overlooks!!!1
>>2852111I like standing above gorges and looking down and having a clear view. Also, it's clear at least at one point most of these places were enjoyed by the public. I think access has declined in many cases over the past 100 years.
>>2852110>Place is saved from development forever>is open to the public with plans to open more access>still whinging about overlooks.you are insufferable.
>>2852110>clearly marked overlooks, roads leading as close as possible to themYou should head out west anon. Lots of overlooks out there.
>>2851132There's a reason for that.C O N S E R V A T I O NMany areas they bought were over used.By limiting access it allows flora and fauna to rebuild.
>>2851127>totally ban access to the public>the land is protected now!Yep.
>>2852140dang. thats nutty
>>2852142anon, almost the entirety of the eastern us was clear-cut loggedthe fungal balance has been permanently fucked up by taking the trees and then burning the soil (they left the twigs and sawdust which then caught fire)they could easily allow an easement and JUST let people through the areas that provide views - it is a huge parcel of land and you wouldn't need to go in most of it just to see this overlookthe nature conservancy is incompetent boomers, and anti-human, they preserve land for the animals to enjoy and for boomers to feel good about themselves for doing that
>>2852427you "wouldn't need to go in most of it" to spread pathogens and disease either. they are restricting access for a reason.>>2852142anon is right.enough with your entitled nigger bullshit.
Sounds pretty based. Some (most) places shouldn't be accessible. If you saw the state of the most popular trail by me you would agree. They would have to restore the soil and close that shit down for like 5 years just to let some vegetation grow back.
>>2851127OP is a retard. Nature conservancy has purchased, protected, and opened access to numerous amazing places in Michigan’s UP.
>>2851127I just wanna let you know buddy I saw these people on the street the other day and debated about accosting them on behalf of an autist on this image board. Your propaganda is working
>>2851657Jfc. This ass blasted dumb bitch wants to put ads up along hiking trails. Can we just delete this stupid fucking thread and move on? OP is clearly not of sound mind and he does not deserve a platform to babble his unfounded nonsense.
>>2851127>muh parkingjust walk nigga or ride a bike you lazy cunt
>>2852500nature should be accessible to all bodies
>>2852112>like standing above gorges and looking down and having a clear view>clearly marked overlooks, roads leading as close as possible to themthis>>2852140 anon is correct. you should go out west. lots of gorges with clearly marked overlooks lol
>>2852572false
>>2852651that's not as aesthetic
>>2852656lol
>>2852669That anon's right. When you've seen truly majestic gorges like Linville and RRG, even famous overlooks in Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon seem unremarkable by comparison
OP you are a colossal faggot
>>2852671I've been meaning to go back to RRG in winter - seems like you will be able to see the rocks with better definition with no leaves obstructing them
>>2852671>being this delusionallol
>>2852767t. has never spent much time at all in the best eastern gorges
>>2852768You haven't? Then why pass judgement? lol
>>2852769t. means you are imaginarily signing a letter as if written by someone elsealmost meaning "said by someone who is" its a way you sign letters in finnish, like saying sincerely, before ending a letterI've visited plenty of beautiful eastern gorges, so I know how nice they are, the people disdaining them have probably not spent much time hiking in the east at all
>>2852772no. T is used to denote oneself. in order to make it imaginarily someone else ie; the previous poster, you need to use >you btfo yourselflol
>>2852789oh
>>2851127Ten years from now they will be developing the land for condominiums.Screencap this.
>>2853449>what is perpetuityHow many other NC properties has that happened to?
>>2853607This is TN, and overall just from where I have seen TN seems less intent on developing gorges. NC has the most high-in-the-mountains luxury housing I've ever seen in Appalachia. But it's protected from development no matter what, that's not the issue. Even then, my understanding is there were a few people living there in the early 20th century when the area was being logged but there were severe floods that drove out most people. But I also get the sense access was overall less fraught in the 50s and 60s.
>>2853607>How many other NC properties>This is TN,Sorry. Should've wrote TNC. I was refering to The Nature Conservancy. How many Nature Conservancy properties have turned into condos?
>>2853636sorry meant for you>>2853647
>>2853647I'm not sure the issue here is turning it into condos, rather, the frustration of having land that's publicly owned yet still inaccessible (technically).
>>2853701>I'm not sure the issue here is turning it into condosdid you write this comment?>>2853449>Ten years from now they will be developing the land for condominiums.thats what I was responding to. >the frustration of having land that's publicly owned yet still inaccessible (technically).its not publicly owned. its privately owned by TNC. It is accessible via an open trail.
>>2853751>It is accessible via an open trail.no, it's closed to the public
>>2853768>it's closed to the publicNo. Its open to the public. Theres even an overlook lolhttps://www.chattanoogan.com/2023/4/27/468154/TDEC-Nature-Conservancy-Open-Dry-Creek.aspx
>>2853772that's a different area than the one I am talking about...and that overlook sucks
>>2853773>im wrong but I will cope like a retardok billy.
>>2853774Theres multiple different subdivisions within the area with varying access rules.
>>2851127Nature preservation and recreation access often conflict with each other. How can wildlife establish itself in a riparian zone if hundreds of people are tramping through it, picnicking, bringing their FUCKING DOGS to bark and chase every wild creature in sight? TNC is right, some parcels of land need to be preserved without the option of public access.
>>2853893People like you shouldn't have any access to land tbdesu
>>2853780>whinging cope like a toddlerstfu.
>>2853893there's already wild hogs in the riparian zone, this is just about a small sliver of ridge land that has already been logged repeatedly and is otherwise simply unused
>>2851127Normies don't care. When politicians feel like it they will just make the state sell public land to their budies. Public land is precious and important. But like so many things people do not care enough to stop a politician and their budies.
>>2853917"Public" land is a bad joke. The state owns it, and that's inherently bad, due to your exact example.
>>2853917It's not really just the Nature Conservancy, I've noticed this with any sort agency managing public access (where it isn't fee based), that once a trail or an amenity falls into disrepair they just put a closed sign on it and let it decay. There's never an attempt to restore, it's almost like they enjoy this cat-and-mouse game of illegal trails that they could get you in trouble for using. The issue isn't really that they are going to sell the public land - though there are cases I can think of where PRIVATELY owned land was sold to a new owner, and the new owner prohibited access that was previously allowed, but I can't honestly think of a public park that was sold to a private company who then prohibited access. The bigger issue is public-access land managers letting facilities and amenities fall apart, and restricting access once that happens rather than ever fixing anything.
>>2853922>"Public" land is a bad jokebullshit. without public land Yellowstone would be condos for millionaires. Is that what you really want? Of course, Nature Conservancy land is not public land. Its private.
>>2853935whatever the category is for "land accessible to the public" is then, it's sort if irrelevant if the ownership is public or private
>>2853937>t's sort if irrelevant if the ownership is public or privatewut? you dont even make sense with your retarded reeeeing.
>>2853950I mean, if the purpose of owning the land is keeping it clean, and not building homes on it, it isn't particularly relevant if the land can be accessed by the public, because you could have both private or public land where the land IS or IS NOT accessible to the public, without regard to the type of ownership of the land itself. What matters is public ACCESS, not ownership.
>>2853953>cant even make a coherent statementsure bro. The fact that TNC WILL open to the land to the public once they are done inventorying their purchase probably will not stop you from whining about it like a spoiled bitch.
>>2853773>>2853780>crying because on o verlook is currenlty inaccesible>cant see the big pictureYou seem very selfish and immature.
>>2853937The vast majority of public land is accesible to the public. WTF are you talking about?
>>2853979there's a lot of examples where that's not quite the case and there's various restrictions ranging from permits or narrow open hours/days of the week/seasonal closures/hunting closures to just outright closures for "conservation reasons" aka you will never get to hike there again cuz of greedy boomers, or fire towers that fall into disrepair, get closed off, but never get replaced
>>2853980>definition of copeThe vast majority of public land is accesible to the public
>>2853982there's a lot of cool stuff that's closed off and I cannot count the instances where I wanted to do something and it was either closed or involved jumping through annoying hoops to docloudland canyon the main overlook is closed for constructiondeep creek lake state park the fire tower is closed because its supposedly unsafeditto with the tower at hanging rock and in both cases the towers are the only way to see any sort of view in the whole area
>>2853985>involved jumping through annoying hoops to doyou are such a spoiled, selfish little fuck. How old are you? you seem like your about 13 but I get the 30something still living with his mother vibe. god forbid they close something because its unsafe. fuck off with your whining bullshit.
>>2853989the issue is they will never re-open the towers
>>2853990Why don't you organize some fundraising events for the tower, like I said weeks ago now. Have you sent anyone an email.
>>2853994why can't the people who own the darn land fix their shityeah they just say "sorry about the access"do you think they really care if I needle at them about it?
>>2853985>deep creek lake state park the fire tower>they will never re-open the towersWhy are you such an insufferable cunt? https://www.discoverycenterdcl.com/fire-tower"Through a joint partnership with the Maryland Forest Service and Deep Creek Lake State Park and Volunteers, the Thayerville fire tower was put back into operation as a visitor destination. In 2009 the Thayerville fire tower was listed on the National Historic Register. The only fire tower in Maryland that is still in working order. The tower is occasionally open for climbing in the summer. "
That’s all this site is
>>2854080that's old info, they have since closed it because of structural issuesthe closure was recent (last year or so)
>>2853995why should it be fixed and just provided to the public. I also didn't tell you to needle at them as implied in the first half of my post you should ask them why they are closing it what the costs are to fix it etc and see if you can help.
>>2854137>why should it be fixed and just provided to the publicso that the public can enjoy it responsibly>why they are closing it what the costs are to fix it etc and see if you can helpas if that's gonna do anythingthey just give you some terse responsethey don't really care if nobody can access it, the people who own/manage it don't hike and don't appreciate the landthey are just in it to make money
>>2854121so, why not volunteer and help raise money to fix it instead of whining like a bitch? explain why you complain first and do nothing second?
>>2854138>the people who own/manage it don't hike and don't appreciate the landbullshit. I just talked to the lady on the phone and she desperately wants to fix it but because of budget cuts she doesnt have the funds. Why not donate your allowance to the cause?
>>2854230>I just talked to the lady on the phonewhich lady?how much could it possibly cost to shovel out a trail, add some signs and open it back up?
>>2852410Nutty Putty?
>>2854295The fact you don't know just proves why you don't deserve a trail. Go out and donate some time to a trail building society and realize how the system actually works.
>>2854295>which lady?the lady who answered the phone at the State park. The structure is unsafe she said.
>>2854370anon the area is closed to the public, trail building isn't the issue
>>2851127
>>2854427I guess at some point they are just gonna have robot police and drones roaming around and trespassing will be truly enforced. Shame people are so unwilling to share and instead revel in "owning" land which really just means getting to bully and be violent with others who go there.
>>2853895Someone with no money or prospects for buying their own land shat you out for probably no other reason than a desire for attention or because of an accident and millions of other people in their generation did the same thing so now the rest of us have to worry about whether or not you have a house and a job and a woman to shit out your progeny or you’ll cause trouble, especially if you don’t have a place to satisfy your caveman desire to see what’s coming to eat you.
