Anyone here ever go /out/ in restricted/illegal areas? Any advice for accessing these spaces?Pictured: North Brother Island, NYC
It's not like I want to do something illegal, but holy god is it really frustrating when beautiful overlooks or waterfalls are kept on private property. And not even property being USED for anything, just vast timber company holdings sitting vacant. I think Americans get off on control and violence and really like enforcing trespassing with guns and intimidation. There's also lots of cases where you would somehow have to go through private land to get to an overlook that's on public land, or the reverse, or places that are public land but have zany restrictions like gates that close at 4pm, only open certain days of the week, or worst there one waterfall in the south where a power company owns it so it's only open 2 weekends a year, even though it used to be open all the time. And of course, our government doesn't care at all.
>>2851852Committ acts of terrorism against the power company. If you're not going to do it, who will? Is whining about it on an anime forum productive or beneficial to your cause? Whining at local meetings would be far better than what you are now doing.
>>2851852>And not even property being USED for anythingoh no, a retard is upset he doesn't get to rule over other people and decide what they do with their property!
>>2851881If I get rich and buy a bunch of land and there's a waterfall on my property, I am by no means required to make it available to the public. I don't where you're from but your basic assumptions about what rights the public does or does not have are completely wrong. Also, stop being poor. Timber companies don't "get off on control", they're just out to make money you dunce.
>>2851887oh no, a retard thinks they can actually OWN THE LAND and is upset when other people can see the absurdity of private property.
>>2851894you should be forced to make it available to the public if the waterfall is nice
>>2851851What are the penalties for going there? I just got that spark of childish excitement where we could set off Goonies style and make it our own island. It would make such a cute small town wouldn't it?
>>2851852Just go and see it, then say you got lost if they rumble you. Where the fuck am I? Insist on being taken back to to the nearest road. I've pulled this one a few times - I'm not trying to intrude I am lost - and they'll always end up going with that.
>>2851919Do you let homeless people sleep in your house?
>>2851851i go off trail all the time. walking on some groomed path is cringe and boring
>>2851936Think if we knocked on his door he'd give us the keys to his car?
>>2851936>>2851941>implying he owns his home or vehicle and isn't just mooching off his parents.
>>2851851I found this creepy building out in the woods.
>>2851930I guess that's a good idea, but I hate how so many overlooks or waterfalls are a game of "will I get caught for parking or walking in some sketchy ambiguous location". It feels like they derive joy from getting you in trouble, more so than letting you see whatever beauty is nearby.
>>2851852>our government doesn't care at all.Working as expected. The government is a tool, created by us.It doesn't care, and shouldn't care -- You care. If you want other people to care, then convince them; Start/join a group, recruit people, and lobby for public right-of-way on private property, similar to footpaths in the UK.
>>2852064that sounds like a lot of workit's more that I wonder why people are like thisI mean I can get like telling people to just follow the path to the overlook/waterfall and stay off the surrounding area if it's private property, that's fine, but just banning access completely, that sucks
>>2851851Chicken breast island.
>>2851852>And not even property being USED for anything, just vast timber company holdings sitting vacant.Find out how they have the property recorded for tax purposes. Many are listed as "open space" and should be available for public access and recreation. But if they tell you to get lost or post it no trespassing, just offer to have a word with the assessor about back taxes owed.
>>2851851literally anywhere thats not a campsite in nj
>>2851852what if they're not just "sitting on it"? what if they purposefully let the area inaccessible and pristine so retards like you won't batonny chop chop the place up and ruin it?
I come across many derelict farm houses on my hikes, and I'm always tempted to look inside. Haven't done it yet, though.
>>2852498get yourself a drone and check it out, it's fun
>>2852496Wilderness designation.Just so people don't dodge property taxes and close the gate except when they want to trash it themselves. Behavior in true wilderness areas is regulated and sometimes policed by gov't agencies. Making that designation a sign of an honest attempt at protection.
>>2851851Sometimes camp on army tank/artillery ranges when there is no firing going on. Often wild camp in forest, moorland hills and mountains without the landowners permission but trespass is a civil offence in the UK so at worst you will be asked to take your tent down, most of the wild land here is open access so you have a right to be walking over it even if there is no designated right of way.
>>2851852Third world problem
