ì just bought a couple acres in appalachia and am building a cabin so i dont have to be a rentoid. picrel is what ive done so far
which part of appalachia?
>>28527761. chainsaw2. chainsaw mill
>>2852777same county as patara
>>2852780sighall I could find is north carolina, im just curious, im not gonna find u bro
>>2852778my dad has a chainsaw mill, its not that great
>>2852776That's cool. Make sure to keep us updated.What are you going to do about the floor, and shouldn't you start with it?
>>2852784the logs are set about a foot off the ground on big rocks. going to fill the floor with a bunch of rocks and the put a dirt floor
>>2852786Ah, okay. I have literally zero knowledge of log cabin building, but I love them.
>>2852782Maybe your dad is just bad at it
>>2852786>second pic has bark, original are stripped.Nice LARP, faggot.
>>2852800The pictures are just out of order. Are you that retarded?>>2852776Don't put a dirt floor. That will just make everything 10 times worse. (Moisture, pests, heat retention, etc.)Put in plank floors. Its easy. You'll tha k me later when you dont have to stand in mud and dirt dust.
>>2852801This.
>>2852801>The pictures are just out of order.You don't debark the logs after you've notched them.OP is a LARPing fag.Or at least a retarded fag. Because looking closely at it the OP photo and the logs with bark photo have exactly the same shit job at notching the logs.OP, I sure open you're at least nailing/doweling the logs together somehow because those notches are retard level.
>>2852809>I sure open*I sure hopeThis is what happens when you see retardation at 4 in the morning, even your phrasing ability leaves on a 3 day hike.
>>2852800i wasnt going to debark them but all the cabin buildings experts on /pol/ insisted i did. it was hard af to debarl them when they were nailed together>>2852801i might do a wood floor eventually >>2852809i will post my progress today to prove its not a larp. ive been making /B0G/ threads over on /pol/ but jannie keeps deleting them. >>>/pol/523080594
>these jointsI cried a little inside, please learn how to use a chainsaw
>>2852827post a picture of the cabin you built. i want to see your joints
have you considered cutting down atleast one decent sized tree to use as a starting layer, you could run most of those twigs in a woodstove without splitting them.
>>2852835thats what i did, the first row is approx 8" dia and after that im using 5"
>>2852786Well that's not what it looks like from the first picture but that's a decent plan. I would mix in some diatomaceous earth with the rocks to help kill bugs long term. Using baby powder everywhere where wood meets wood prevents creaking from the wood swelling and shrinking during the day cycle.
>>2852825>all the cabin buildings experts on /pol/ That's ... That's not a real thing.
>>2852854>That's ... That's not a real thing.To be fair, they gave him good advice about debarking the logs.Bark is great for insects and it would rot way easier than the logs themselves, so would leave him with pretty large voids to fill. Also moisture.Old school /pol/acks know at least the theory of building log cabins and assorted random Bug-out locations.
>>2852865Old school /pol/ is dead, some Chatgptdrone from the subhumancontinent gave him sound advice by happenstance.
another day in the books
You need a better foundation and you cut doors and windows after they’re stacked not during.What are you going to do for chinking?
>>2852885>chinkingclay, sand, wood ash mixed together
>>2852776too damn small
>>2852880Very nice.
>>2852880looks like you're having fun, I envy you!
>>2852880how are you gonna fit a bed in it?
>>2852983it is 10x8 feet ple ty of room for a bed
Based. Good luck. Please don't stop posting, I'm curious how this goes. I'd love to do something like this one day.
>>2852781I already found him. I’m looking at him right now with my night vision goggles and jacking off. He’s hairier than I imagined
>>2852985what about poop?
>>2852985Keep us updated, fren
>>2852996Not a problem. I’m Indian. Can just eat it
The fagmo made a thread on pol whining about no one stroking his ego here.
>>2853001Yeah I came here expecting it to look like /diy/ does whenever someone has a fun idea, instead its just based people telling OP good luckFuck you OP besmirching /out/s good name
>>2852880If you want this to last more than a couple of seasons, it will pay to hew the outer face of your wall as flat as you can manage. It will reduce how powerful water running down the wall will scour your chinking.I volunteered to help re-chink a “fort” at a living history museum and they were saying that the round log was really only for temporary structures, and keeping it long term (I think the replica building was about 30?) was a maintenance nightmare and only the logs that were beneath the drip eves lasted more than a few years before having to be replaced.
>>2852776you got a loicense to chop those trees son?
>>2853002lol I think OP knows better than to go to /diy/ since we'd tear him a new asshole bigger than /pol/ did.
>>2852776Nice, I'm planning something similar but I'm going to notch the ends with saw cuts and a chisel then drill and peg the joints.What tools are you using?
>>2853025>admitting to using /diy/Fuck off back to that shit hole
Good effort. this will be the shead for the next propper build. You can't expect to do it rigth the first time. Some inspiration for you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBX5qh09OIE&t=6762sDo you intend to cover the outer walls with plank clapboards? Also insulation between the logs is an idea, lots of farmhouses here in Norway from 1700 to mid 1900 used newspaper for some extra insulation between the log wall and the clapboard on the inside, mainly to stop drafts.
>>2852880why is the door facing the uphill portion
>>2853050When you go home drunk you can just roll down the hill straight inside, put a ramp to your bed behind the door for maximum win
>>2853050That way when it snows he will be completely trapped
>>2852776PLEASE put in a wood floor like >>2852801 said. You will regret it right away if you don't.t.knower
>>2852776you didn't think to start with a foundation?
>>2853074Cool it with the anti semitism
If I were you op I'd go for a dugout first1) don't have to worry about windows 2) don't have to worry about cold3) is actually stealthy 4) quicker to build 5) harder to fail because logs supported by earth
>>2852776I saw you in /pol/ saying we were shitting on your shed. Nice work letting those guys know that /out/ exists.But either way you're living my dream. I'm British and this is impossible for me. Your ancestors were correct to fuck off from here forever.
>>2853076You can even put a window into the roof for overhead light.
>>2853035We don't want to share our esoteric knowledge anyways
>>2852776seems more akin to a shed. how the fuck are you gonna even sleep in that anon? where will you cook? where will you keep your shit? its tiny as fuck
>>2853101It's 8'x10' thats more than enough room. 6'x8' would be a little tight but really what do you need, a place to lie down and enough room for a little wood stove?
>>2853128Where will you poop?
>>2853076This anon is onto something.OP, go all Mike Oehler on your land, read The $50 & Up Underground House Book.Go unnaground anon, you know you want to.
>>2852985is that the door on the far side? Idk about log cabins but when I camp I always try to put my tent flap downhill so if a storm comes it won't wash mud and debris up against the flap. Is it a concern having your door facing the hill here?
>>2853143Not in my fucking bedroom
>>2853187Nice! Here in India we poop outside as well. It is considered unclean to poop inside of the house. Are you Bharati as well?
>>2853198he said Appalachia, not Brampton.
>>2853128he's just building a log cabin to flex on /out/. You can build a similar shelter with a similar skill set(knot tying). Half this board cant comprehend how to do this stuff.
>>2853230Dont flatter yourself OP, what you're doing isn't impressive and you can barely comprehend foundations.
>>2853230Hes just cutting random square notches to overlay on round logs. This is less effort than a split rail fence.For starters youre suppose to use a compass to transfer the shape of the specific log youre cutting a notch for onto the overlay log or at the bare minimum cut "Lincoln Log" notches.He did zero research and is just stacking firewood. There will be no structural rigidity and the shit shack will collapse before he even gets it finished.
I know nothing about anything. How do you stop the wood from deteriorating, getting moldy, splintering from freezing water, shit growing on it, animals trying to live in it, etc?
I applaud the enthusiasm and enjoy the incompetence.
>>2853274Maintenance.The logs are suppose to be planed to minimize gaps. Any gaps that do exist were historically packed with something like a clay based mud (this varied highly by regional availability). There are specific products sold today that are like wood putty/ play doh.Modern builds treat the logs with a waterproofing like "Thompson's deck seal" or a polyurethane.
>>2853143In an outhouse?
>>2852776So OP are you done? You're making 4 cuts per log, the walls should be up by now
>>2853340I think OP is trolling and just wanted some attention. That’s why there’s no foundation and the door faces the hill >not to mention the shitty joints
>>2853351its low level bait from a landscaper thats for sure. Who else has a 6 foot level but a framer and no way a framer is notching like that.
>>2853340>>2853351im not done, the right trees keep getting further away and debarking them takes forever. i hope to get 2 rows on today
>>2853361BUT WHY DOES THE DOOR FACE THE HILL
>>2853362only true men can leave the comforts of their homes and walk uphill
>>2853362im going to level it out and bring it.to grade for water shed. i want the water to flow off the roof on downhill side. and dont want the door where rain is coming off the roof. the roof isnt going to have a peak
>>2853366Are you going to latch the logs together? If so, how are you planning? They’re going to fall apart otherwise
>>2853361>im not done, the right trees keep getting further away and debarking them takes forever. i hope to get 2 rows on todayGlad to see you're still posting. I was afraid you'd given up and we'd never get to see the finished product.
>>2853369>latch the logs togetherlike in the corners? im putting 6" ring shank spikes in every corner, for the door im going to frame the opening with regular lumber. for chinking im using clay, ash and sand
>>2853369Yeah, anon really should be putting some more effort into this if he wants it to last.Half dovetails are pretty easy to cut if you make yourself a jig.
>>2853377>>2853373>im putting 6" ring shank spikes in every cornerOr do that, I guess.
>>2853377lmao, as if you even own any tools or cut a piece of wood before. its solid as fuck. i tried to cut better notches but when i was doing it i kepted catching the grain of the wood and it would spit to the end so i just said fuck it.
>>2853361if your going so far where are these right trees cause I see literally sticks.
>>2853380>i tried to cut better notches but when i was doing it i kepted catching the grain of the wood and it would spit to the end so i just said fuck itt. proven retard
>>2853373Spikes are the worst thing you can do.It will cause the logs to split. You'd be better off drilling holes and just using those spikes as alignment pins.
>>2853390lmao, the points arent thaf sharp and the wood is green
>>2853076>4) quicker to build >5) harder to fail because logs supported by earthhow is it quicker it's the same construction except now you also have to dig and why would stacked logs fail ever if anything they have a bigger chance of failing in the mud because rot will set in quicker literal mud walls don't fail if there is a roof over them >but m-muh stealth
>>2853392See:>>2853385
>>2853267i'm not op faggot
>>2853422Well maybe you should go find him in the Appalachians and cuddle with your boyfriend in his cabin you faggot.
idk much about building log cabins but it feels like it would fall down if a bear leaned on it
>>2853428>should go find him in the Appalachians and cuddle with your boyfriend in his cabin you faggot.god this is my dream
im done for today
>>2853450Making progress, anon…. Gonna be sweet to see it when you’re finished. Where are you getting the logs? Just cutting random trees down?
>>2853450I'm mad jelly, anon. Keep up the good work!
>>2853450Enthusiastic, you'll learn a lot if nothing else. As has been mentioned previously, you're going to want a wood floor, and you'll want to airgap it between the earth fill you use underneath. That will be the single biggest thing you can do for livability, after CHINKING. You're creating a big headache for yourself with those gaps, you'll want to chink the everloving hell out of that to make it reasonably comfortable. Once it's built and you've spent time living in it you'll see what you like and what you don't, and you can go for round 2.You should seriously consider >>2853076 for a number of reasons. Stealth is not so important, but the big thing is climate regulation. In the hot summer it will be cool thanks to the earth surrounding it, in the winter it will be warmer, thanks to the earth surrounding it. It will also be shockingly quiet, even in a big storm. You can make life easy by wrapping that cunt in pond liner before reburying it, and working out a french drain for the unit proper. You've clearly got grade enough on the land.But that's a future issue. Get it built, get it lived in, save up some capital, then go for round 2. It's a good project.
>>2853159i looked at that book before you definitely need more than $50 to build the structures in it
>>2853511the title is literally 50 and "UP", you can't be this retarded.
>>2853512yeah and not only
>>2853511it was written in the 70s
Recommend choosing a better site. Just move the logs.You need a proper foundation and on a slop water will run down and undermine your site. Clay, gravel, concrete, whatever. That stuff is way harder to move then the logs.And the reason few cabins are made this way is because to calculate the number of logs you need, you'll realise how far you'll have to move them, and how much wood you'll be using. That's when you think, chainsaw mill, band saw.I also notice that without a foundation you also don't really have anywhere to put uprights, or anywhere to lay a wooden floor. So no cold sump, that's a lot of damp of you're not perma-frozen.So you may want to consider clearing the dirt, putting in a footing, whole logs for the frame but then half sawn logs for the floor and loft, door/window frames you'll want boards for. Whole log walls are stronger, easier to build, but weight a ton. If one log only yields one board, then you'd probably use the raw logs for the walls. But if you can get two half sawn board that halves the number of logs for the floor, loft, frames. Then there's the question of roofing because tin is a particularly poor insulator, so do you want to tarboard the roof, or use half sawn logs and fill it, or use wooden shingles? The other unfortunate issue is drying timber. Do you need to? Where can you dry it, should you cut all the logs before you even start because then they'll be dry. Do you even want to build 100% timber or would it make more sense to ram earth, use posts, do the bottom two foot in rammed earth then frame the walls with boards?
>>2853450What a tremendous waste of time. How can anyone here seriously be encouraging this half-assed monstrosity?
>>2853527post your log cabin also having fun is never a waste of time
>>2853527I'm sorry your childhood was this bad. Yes it's absolutely terrible lazy work but try to imagine OP is a kid and it becomes cute instead
>>2853143On your moms chest
>>2853527most of the users on this board don't even participate in the topic
>>2853450That left corner will fail.You cant stack 5 tons on an unsupported corner.
>>2853581But ummm, look sweaty, I put a big nail in the corners so they will hold together
>>2853001this is obviously someone trolling there on /pol/>>2852776pls post every day OP
>>2853621>pls post every day OP>never posts againthanks anon
>>2853758>never posts againBecause hes pinned under 1,200 pounds of logs on the side of a mountain in Appalachia.
>>2853761We will never hear from him again. Sad!
>>2853758>>2853761>>2853781im here, its cold as fuck so im trying to stay warm. i am going to work on getting my foundation up to par if its warm enough tomorrow
>>2852776Bro you're in fucking appalachia, build a proper stone foundation instead of propping your shit up on 2 rocks, you have an infinite supply of the fuckers.
>>2853783where are you living while you build this?
>>2853783Dude.You can buy 4" thick 8"x16" cap blocks for like $2 a piece at home depot.Thats 96 to do your floor.So for about 200 bucks you can load them in your shit box and cart them up the hill. Pull what you have apart.Level the ground by hand and nestle the blocks together.Then re-stack your "logs" on that.
>>2853801again, he's just flexing on /out/ people only find it impressive because half the people here cant comprehend doing it themselveshalf the people here cant even tie knots
>>2853803at least half the people in this thread are calling him a retard how is that flexing?
>>2853803Dude every kid growing up in the South can tie at least 2-3 fishing nots by the time they’re 8 years old. Who tf can’t tie a knot?
>>2853803Its not a flex.Its a cry for help.If we dont help this retard his corpse is.going to be some coyotes chew toy.
Fuck cabins, take the TP pill, anon. You would probably already be done by now
>>2853815You can make them really thick too so they have great insulation for the winter with a stove in the middle
>>2853783Are you going to make the floor out of pallets or what?
>>2853531I agree with this.IMO it is a waste of lumber instead.It's nice that OP is doing something.But OP, don't cut corners left and right because you expected things to be faster, are unpatient or addicted to instant gratification. First understand what you are doing and then do it right. What you're making is a pile of sticks with some artistic carvings on them.
>>2853815And you wouldn't be able to stand up.
>>285351150 USD in 1971 is 401 USD in 2025.
>>2853801read the thread, that would make it taxable, concrete foundation makes it a permanent stucture and would raise my property taxes>>2853815>>2853816>>2853815>>2853816two of my friends had teepees when we were young. one made it out of cow hides from cows that died on his ranch and the other one paid a shit ton of money for a kit that came with a camvas cover. lots of downsides to teepees, they are basically a giant pain in the ass tent
>>2853821im going to fill the low side until its level with rocks laying around and then cap it with dirt.
>>2853857>that would make it taxable, concrete foundation makes it a permanent stuctureCap blocks =/= concrete slab foundation.You need to re-read the regulations and understand what is written.
>>2853815uh these are tents anon meant to move with people
>>2852776>so I don't have to be a rentoidsounds like you are currently renting? Depending on how fast you want or must get out, I don't really understand why you're not building a dug out first.There is a reason why, historically, it was a common thing to do upon arrival in an area to build a dug out first and then, working out of it, build a structure you actually want to inhabit. Especially with winter approaching.A dug out is just so much faster and cheaper to construct, takes less planning and materials.
>>2853864how? it still needs strong walls because mud in a hole can collapse and bury your things
>>2853863hes gotta make one of theseive been wanting to for ages but havent had a spot to do it
>>2853865>how?OP is stacking twigs. Even with the nails OP is putting into what probably is supposed to be a log house, it won't have >strong wallseither, if OP keeps on doing like OP does.So whichever way you one turns it: Dug outs offer better performance for the same labour and materials invested or need less of both for better performance.If OP builds a cabin as the pictures posted imply, then it will not evem keep the wind out. Meamwhile the same amount of care taken constructing walla underground will kep the wind out and the wall from collapsing.Pro tip: Surrounding earth can even make the log construction stronger.Besides: Many types of dug out have much less reinforcing 'walls' than you seem to think. Earth will always naturally remain in place up tk a certain angle. 'Walls' do not have to be vertical to make a living space. And I still want to believe this is about living space, not cargo cultism.
>>2853864>A dug out is just so much faster and cheaper to construct, takes less planning and materials.The fuck? No it's not.
>>2853870Fuck yes. It is.Look: Most traditional pit houses are just a footprint sunk into the ground, to below the frost line, some rafters and maybe rafter ties. Perhaps a central pillar too if it's large.Again: Collapsing walls are a non-issue. The infantile idea of 'a pit house always is essentially a log house sunk into the ground' is not correct. There is no need for the walls to be upright. I agree, unsupported upright walls would collapse when it rains for a while. But egen if for the sake of cargo cultism one insisted on upright walls: Since the ground offers intrinsic wind protection they again need much less material and especially work to keep them up. The sort of construction OP has demonstrated would be more than enough underground. But it is not adequate above ground. Underground it would even be enough to drive in some posts and weave in branches or pile up sticks behind them. Or have slanted walls. Primitive people often simply built pit houses with slanted walls and dropped any stones they could find on the slope for reinforcement.A few rafters and whatever roofing is available.OP has already used more in material than the basic structure (rafters, maybe ties, maybe central pillar) would need.
>>2853874your talking to someone who would balk at the effort it would take to dig a proper footing for a log cabin anyways. They have 0 concept of the amount of work any type of construction takes and since their only reference is the one time they swung a spade to plant a tree they think digging is the hardest work of all time.
>>2853864it rains way too much for a dugout, i actually spent alot of time going to museums and such studimg how they built cabins in the olden days. tbqh this will probably be a dog run cabin on day
>>2853878your literally on such a grade building your tiny cabin flat is gonna be a pain in the ass. How do you think drainage works you could do a dugout easily.
>>2853864i have a car to sleep in, i dont need a dug out, this intital phase is somthing quick with improvements to follow. im a poorfag so i cant afford concrete and such. honestly the $120 for the tin roof is going to be hard to find.
>>2853879my cabin is sitting on a giant whole house french drain.
For those that are unaware, appalachia isnt loose sandy soil.OP is going to hit bedrock 1 foot down. Yes, even on the side of a mountain. That's why its still a mountain and hasmt been washed down to the atlantic over the last million years.So dugout are not feasible.>>2853863This.Teepees were intended for ease of setup/takedown and transport. They werent permanent nor meant for hostile climates. Natives followed fair weather patterns and moved south in the winter.They were made from Bison hides which were plentiful and easy to replace. To make a real teepee today with full hides is going to run about $100 per square foot today. If you wanted to do canvas youre talking about a mil-surp vietnam army tent.Yurts are much more robust and designed for inclimate weather but are actually complicated and heavy structures- a log cabin is easier to build.
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>>2853885that also makes the soil more stable
>>2853880Then you need to make up the shortfall with effort
>>2853880>i have a car and a powersaw>poorfag so i cant afford concreteThe world the motorism conspirators have created is really something to behold.Anyways you're completely right about not needing a dug out when you have shelter for the time of the build. I read you like you depend on a rented place.I still fear your walls and everything are more like a sieve. Costs and effort of fixing that after the fact are probably in excess of what it would additionally take to do things right from the begining. Unless you want to wrap or furnish the whole thing with polytarps. But if you're thinking boarding or plywood you might be better off planning the build with that in mind.
>>2853881it must be a "southern" french drain cause it looks like a pile of dirty rough fill to me.
>>2853923Hey, don’t bring the South into whatever the fuck OP is doing…
>>2853924my mention of the south of france is also racial in nature but moreso old school european racism then a civil war mention.
>>2853925Lol, ok then, carry on. Good chat
they're onto OP
>>2853936KEK
>>2853936
>>2853967lmao, i spent the day getting a rock footer going.
>>2853936>>2853967it's over..
>>2853968
>>2853968Nice, big improvement.
>>2853970>>2853968Did I miss this in the thread, or what are you going to do to fill the gaps between logs?
>>2853868those aren't twigs there is cabin build design that uses actual twigs mixed with mud FA built one its probably still upop has 6-8" logs at least quite the luxury honestly that he can chop those trees
>>2853967
>>2853968>he thinks jamming rocks half hazardly under it is a foundation
>>2854014i going to mix 2 parts clay, 1 part wood ash, 0.5 parts sand
>>2854048Here in Glorious India we put cow dung in our chinking. You should do the same. If you don’t have a cow you can use human too. It make better
>>2854048>half a part of siltwhat the fuck measurement is thatalso silt and sand arent the same thing
>>2854061lmao, do you really not understand what they mean. here are some examples>2 coffee cans clay>1 coffee can ash>half a coffee can sandor >2 buckets clay>1 bucket ash>half a bucket sand>silt/sandpeople are using both and im just gonna scoop it off the side of the road and itsna silt/sand mix
>>2852809>people never make mistakesyes they do and you know this
>>2853968Based. Looking good anon. Keep us updated, I’m rooting and tooting for you!
>>2854092foundation done and floor is brought to grade. cutting down more trees now
>>2854097Very based bro. Prove the haters wrong. Are you going to get the windows planned out soon??
what stops those rocks from moving around?
>>2854107he pushed them in very hard
>>2854107i just kept dumping more rocks until the floor was level. im gonna add more big rocks on the outside later but now im back to stacking logs
>>2854099im puttng in one 2'x2' window in the center of the back wall after i add one more log
>>2854110Those rocks are going to setlle over time since you didn't tamp them down, and also put your logs on a proper rock foundation.Also why didn't you add a floor? You're fucked now m8. Gonna be one uncomfortable cabin.
>>2854107Nothing. He fucked himself with this one.>>2854110Rookie mistake. Get ready to walk on a constantly moving "floor" and your walls to warp and fall apart.
>>2854107Concrete could be poured overtop. The rocks probably have a lot of shit that would prevent proper adhesion, but its an improvement
>>2854113>>2854114the ground is undisturbed native soil so that means it already packed and piled rock is already compacted it literally cannot settle. i spent my entire 30's supervising the construction of oil pads, we set everything on washed rock because it does not settle.
>>2854116that makes it taxable, i can assure you the rocks are stable
>>2854062Best to get rid of the half buckets, not that it would matter for your application just makes measuring easier/consistent.>4 buckets clay>2 buckets ash>1 bucket sandNice work so far, keep it up.
>>2854097Ah yes....I see youre going for an homage to The Stratosphere.
>>2853001I made that for lolz
>>2854117>undisturbed native soil>already compactedLmao yeah na m8. ANY undisturbed soil I ever set foot on in the wild, is the softest shit. Like walking on clouds. You're cooked, as the zoomers say.
>>2854145Do you live in the same place as OP?
>>2854110Looks like shit dude. Super uneven, poorly shaped logs. And you were supposed to cut the door and windows after the logs were built up, dipshit. And yes, the door should not be facing a fucking hill. You shouldn't have it near a hill at all retard. The water is going to run towards the cabin, no matter what you do now. Jesus dude fucking move the whole thing
>>2854118I keep. wondering about this detail:Do you expect the state to send an official for the purpose of entering your cabin (this should be illegal in a civilized state) and inspecting the floor for the purpose of determining its composition, especially with respect to cement?Will the collector be coming to take away the chainsaw, as tax, next? >>2854145Sorry to burst your bubble but there are no places on earth that someone can set foot on, bu no one ever has. Also you're not going out much or far, right? Otherwise you'd be finding yourself walking firm ground regularly.
>>28540238" treesluxurywell I am not US American but I always believed the price you guys fetch for half way decent timber was lower than what we get here and given the forests that I assume to be more expansive and less intensively cultivated I also assume decent size trees are more common than here.Meanwhile, in my area, 30 cm fir, beech, pine and similar soft- or trashwood is stuff you just knock over on your way to cut your lumber and you either leave it to rot or sell it as firewood. Preferably in a type of deal where some pensioner goes and works it on their own. But I heard it's now bad news for you if the fag hurts themselves so might aswell cut such trash up and cart it out to some boomers house.
>>2854107inertia and compression
>>2854160>Do you expect the state to send an official for the purpose of entering your cabin (this should be illegal in a civilized state) and inspecting the floor for the purpose of determining its composition, especially with respect to cement?yes every january and february the county tax accessor drives the whole county looking for new buildings, he is one of the only officials who can can tresspass without a warrant. i met him when he appraised my house and he was very nice. he is an elected official so he was very nice and told me all the ways to keep my property taxes low and asked me to be sure to vote for him.
>>2854161im using oak not softwoods, the value of the trees vary but for a 20" dia white oak tree that is straight can be worth $800-$1k. all of our dimensional lumber is spruce/pine/fir, they dont just plow it out of the way.
>>2854182that's crazyanyone may trespass here if you do not set up a fence and they are not motorized - unless they are doing so in an official capacity, then not.>>2854188I rember when I was a boy my dad explained how for each of the large oak trees, one to two hundret years old and more than half a meter in diameter, one could get a nice car. Larger ones even nicer cars. Not as much for birch vut then again the birches we get here are wild. Those times are long gone, but then again I had alot of opportunity to appreciate how slow they come back.>white oakThey say that stuff sucks in a way, compared to european oak? Haven't felled one worth taking yet. They're cropping up here left and right as someone, a while ago, decided they are more drough tolerant and grow much faster so they established them. And they do grow fast - which may result in exaggeration regarding the wood being arse. I mean look at black locust. Not native, grows fast asf, its a pest and needs to be purged. But the wood is structurally okay.>our dimensional lumber is softwoodSame here. It's almost only old buildings that are birch or oak framed. Some architect / construction engineer once told me that those woods are actually superior for how they are employed jn construction today but I find that hard to believe.
>>2854182wasn't there a old sigma male video of a scottish farmer with a building half in the ground like the cob houses you guys have been posting and the building inspector and his whole crew and the farmer shoots some guy
>>2854201You mean this 'murder'.
>>2854202https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Harry_Collinsonforgot
>>2854203yep although it's much better than ops would be shanty
>>2854203>a .455 Webley Mk VI revolverIts not as impressive as it sounds.
>>2854199My property was logged before I bought it. (Most were pines ground for wood pulp for paper products, some larger pines and hardwoods used for lumber)There's only 1 saw mill in the area that can take logs 3+ feet in diameter.There wasnt enough trees (of type) that size on property to make a full load so they left them.So I wound up with a few massive oaks and a couple massive pines.But back to OP.There's a massive storm coming through this week.
>>2854210Wrong pic because google is retarded.But thats a typical storm and is similar to current forecasts.
>>2854209>there may be al9t of discussions wether a 9 expands and makes a big ole hole or not>but a 455 webley will always make a 455 webley hole>>2854206read the article, the whole issue seems to have been around his dug outbut also hes low intelligenceKEK>>2854210thats the way it goes here and probably everywhere:You never get free timber when buying land, everyone knows what they have. Several generations of careful selection perhaps even pruning? The prospector will sum it up and either someone pays for it or the seller reaps it first.Honestly I hate shit like chainsaw mills but you gotta do what you gotta do. Portable or ghetto rigged bandsaws pay for themselves in no time and spoil less tho.>>2854211I guess the car needs to have intact seals then.
>>2854221>but also hes low intelligence>KEKpot, kettle, etc
>>2854221> ghetto riggedIt’s nigger rigged, anon. Do better
>>2852786Why not just fill it with quick crete? Itd at least be better than walking on a dirt floor
>>2854236>quikretedid you know that calling a cement truck and having it delivered usually costs. about half the price as quikrete?
So when are you going to stop whoring out your half-made cuckshed in /pol/ threads? I've seen 2-3 of them now.
>>2854245never, im banned right now and i dont even have the motivation to evade the ban. i just wait them out the board is so bad these days. i will make an update thread as soon as i can
>>2854246why even bother, /pol/ is nothing but constant reposts of the most recent half dozen ragebait tweets. finding a real thread started by and populated by actual humans is harder than finding a non-porn non-simp thread on /b/
>>2854239That depends on how far in the bush he actually is though. Might be more feasible to bring in bags of quickrete than to try backing a cement truck through miles of thick brush. Either way, OP should've planned a little better for a foundation cause those rocks are gunna shift hard come springtime. Props to him for at least trying to build something. If he makes it through the winter he can always build again with better planning in the summer.
>>2854251>Might be more feasible to bring in bags of quickrete than to try backing a cement truck through miles of thick brush.i can tell you have never ever picked up a bag of quikrete in your life , a bag weighs 80lbs and is 0.75cubic feet of concrete which not enough to do anything with.
>>2854252You'll put a wheelbarrow in the back of your giant vee-hicle, park as close to the forest as humanly possible, and then use it to push 1 bag through at once. But maybe not be a typical CONSOOMER and use something that is less destructive with a coincidentally less catchy brand name.
>>2854262>But maybe not be a typical CONSOOMER and use something that is less destructive with a coincidentally less catchy brand name.like the fucking rocks i used?
>>2854250>REEE I AM TOO SHORT TO GET WAMAN HERE IS SOCIAL MEDIA EVIDENCEin the meantime no girl ever gave a shit>REEE ITS A JOOZ HERE IS A PICTURE OF A POLITICIAN WITH THEMyeah jews exist>REEE BLACK MAN DO CRIMEuh yeah ceime exists>REEEEEEE THIS RACE WITH THAT RACE GOOD/BAD okay but relationships arent primarily about fetishes just so you know>REEEEE FOREIGNERS ON JAPANOISE TRAINmust feel so confusing wanting to be in japan so much but also no (other?) foreigners in japan>X DICTATOR IN Y COUNTRY IS SO GREATI guess for some odd reason you don't want ro live there, right?>VAXXIES DROPPING DEAD IN 2 WEEKS! its such a tiresome board
>>2854266i think he means just portlant cement and a fuckton of aggregate? You know the kind of conrete that you can rub to dust between your fingers once its weathered a bit
>>2853806>Who tf can’t tie a knot?gays
another 2 rows of logs
>>2854272Based. It’s def looking way better. It’s so small though… are you sure it won’t be claustrophobic?
This is the best thread innna Wylie. Gj op
>>2854272If I was there I’d help you bro, despite how autistic you may be. It’s worth it and I hope you succeed
The naysayers in this thread are so funny to meThe guy will build his cabin, find out what doesn't work, and fucking fix it for next time. You don't have to do anything perfect the first or even fourth time. It'll cause you more unnecessary work to do it wrong, but society has conditioned you to all but vomit at the thought of doing something inefficiently, and fuck that noise
>>2854279Literal crab bucket moment
>>2853274You sand those fuckers and slather them in tar
>>2854281im going to stain the outside with old motor oil probably, its great for bugs and water protection. but it would turn the logs dark brown and i kinda like the current color so i might use thompsons or some poly
>>2854279Based. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take >t. Some nigger but it’s a good man quote that
>>2854280>LIDDURAL>Not actually>Needs to write it anyway like everyone elseShut up cunt.
>>2854284Wayne Gretzky is not a nigger, you are
>>2854274im glad i didnt make it bigger, the 10 ft logs are getting harder to find>>2854278having a second person to help carry the logs would make it way faster
>>2854282Melt beeswax in Boiled Linseed Oil, and apply it hot.
>>2854287>having a second personmaybe you'll run into the mothman and he'll give you a hand (or wing).
>>2854290Dude. Idk if you know this but the mothman was and is a real fucking thing. Richard Gere said so
>>2854285What are you even trying to say?
>>2854272uh it looks tilted
>>2854161What the fuck is this jibber jabber trying to convey?
Best thread in out in a long time. Thank you for sharing OP. Best of luck on your project.
>>2854315that the assessment following which 10" trees, young growth, do not really provide substantial lumber. The requirement to remove sapwood that is associated with many species (idk about american oak) doesn't really help either. And Anon here isn't even making the cabin anywhere remotely spacious.I still feel while I often see cases of paralysis by analysis, more planning should have gone into this, before starting out and I also feel the little extra effort of cutting proper saddles and notches instead of nailing stuff together would yield returns in healthy proportion.
Not quite the same but I've wondered about making an adobe house (a mudhut if you will).I've seen quite a few videos about it for people making houses in Arizona. Always seems like something you'd have to do in your free time with some buddies to actually get done quicklyCool that OP is getting something done solo.
>>2854327Well since OP mentioned running out of lumber he might consider something like an earthbag base where he can set ontop of what hes got so far.
OP = based, city dwelling haters = not based. Simple.
>>2854327>adobe housetotally doable. me and my friend built a small adobe house out on his ranch when we were 14. we just made tons of adoble bricks out of clay and straw/grass hay and started stacking them together and made a small house. it was only like 6ft tall but it was so based our whole class took a field trip to go see it. we did this in 1994/95 before the internet, we just used books for the info. it was a great summer project
>>2854341NGL, that’s based AF. If memory serves you don’t even need a kiln, you just let the bricks dry in the sun. If I was a desert fag and not a swamp fag I could totally get into that. I imagine the roof is the toughest part
>>2854344Yup, just compact and dry. Interestingly compaction is the key part if you want the structure to weather well.A very similar traditional approach is to set up cladding boards for any walls, only knee height or so, add a layer of your dirt, tamp it down and repeat, until you reach the top of the cladding. Raise the cladding so it now sits almost on top of the thus errected section of wall and repeat.Works in most climates. Clay is usually abundant. Allegedly the interior climate profits from this sort of construction. Walls made like this can last centuries. But some cultures rub in oils or wax for the visual spectacle and water proofing.
Came across my grandmother watching this the other day and I thought you guys might get a kick out of it. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x679l87
>>2854355> Works in most climates.“Most.” Sadly I don’t think it’ll work in the swamps of Florida despite the abundance of clay. Hurricanes and Summer thunderstorms will melt any clay building pretty quickly. What the Spaniards did was mix oyster shells and concrete into coquina. Cheap, resilient, waterproof, and hurricane proof (and cannon ball proof too). Anon is right about the breeze way cabins, that’s the way it used to be. That’s air conditioning before electricity when people actually had to be smart
>>2854382The chemistry building on my university campus was designed like that, damn thing was like walking through a wind tunnel
>>2854341>>2854344similar. My parents had land that had shit tons of grass and decent clay with enough water to mix them. Over summer, fall, then next spring and summer two of my buddies and I dug a hole into the side of a hill and carved out 12x10, then made clay bricks, hardened them, put it together and made a log roof and then slopped it. That was late 90s, had some water problems by the time we moved in the early 00s, i was back in the late 10s and it was still there, someone had fixed it up some. I hope the next generation of kids got some use of it.I should ask my dad if he has the pictures. I burned the shit of myself welding scrap metal into a brick mold we could use a big chunk of wood to smash down. there's a picture of the mold and finished building somewhere.
>>2854382>melt any clay buildingsI'm not sure about that but must admit I dont fully understand why those buildings are as resilient as they are. What I know is:Unfired clay does not vitrify or set chemically or any of that,instead the magic is in compaction. Somehow it makes a huge difference to clay in its natural state.Also you need the 'right' clay. That is any clay will work afaik, but it needs the correct amount of aggregate, like sand. There's simple tests to find out wether clay you have is good or needs more sand or if you should wash out the clay and cut only part of the remaining sand back in.Then theres the beeswax or oil impregnation techniques. Amd of course roofing with overhangs or in extreme cases having only 'interior' walls.If all else fails just do the earthbag thing. It aint pretty but always works:Use sacks, fill them with earth, stack them and place a loop of barbed wire between each layer. You'll want to do something about the looks afterwards and your choice of sack is really limited to plastics.
>>2854415It's just a different form of rammed earth. The clay particulates aren't perfectly round and by compacting them they settle in against each other and sort of interlock. There's also some voodoo about exposed positive and negative ionic sites on the clay particles and weak forces, but I don't think it matters much. The compacted clay has a lot of compressive strength - the clay particles don't want to move any more. The grass just provides strands of cellulose which don't have compressive strength, but do have sheer strength. So you get blocks with both compressive and sheer strength. The sand has even more rough spots on its surface, so the clay packs into that, and it sort of binds it all together.>>2854382Rammed earth would probably work, especially with some sort of waterproofing additive. Worst case scenario you just make a rammed earth structure and then bury it. You could have a breezeway down the center (a central tunnel, essentially) or a central open air space, similar to roman housing. Just equip it with a robust drainage setup and it'll be fine.
>>2854402Based
>>2854436You seem to know about such stuff. The kiddle layer of Podsol is clay too, right? Since clay is just weathered bedrock and like most soilds podsol once started out as local bedrock.
Where is OP? Has he given up yet?
>>2854479probably hiding from shit weather
>>2854479He got ruby ridged.>>2853936
>>2854479>>2854480>>2854483im here, it rained all day yesterday so i took the day off
>>2854489Based. Keep it up anon
>>2854489Are you sure you weren’t at the AmRen conference? >jelly
>>2854491He was in phoenix.
>>2854301thats just because he made no real foundations.on the plus side, he can always tear the hut down, build real foundations and reuse the logs to build it.
>>2854341>>2854415The barbed wire bag method was what I saw, looked like it wasn't too difficult to do. Maybe a bit tedious.They stacked it in almost a bell/funnel shape so that the roof tapered into a dome.I've wanted to visit some of the Native American adobe houses in Arizona, specifically the ones made into the side of a cliff. That's always seemed pretty cool.I live in California so I don't think it'd be very feasible; it doesn't rain often but when it does it rains a lot. I'd be worried about the whole thing washing away.
>>2854554The Southwest gets torrential thunderstorms, I'd think anything that could survive those would probably be OK in CA as well, though obviously it depends where in CA.
>>2854534he has a big spirit level maybe he should give the pile of rocks a slope outwards not shoot up straight 90
>>2854272The complete madmax keeps on going...With no foundation to speak off.And straight on round notches.>>2854279Ah, sure.Let me go waste time and resources doing shit wrong when an hour or two of researching could have led my inexperienced DIY ass straight to "A bit wonky, but it's done right.".
i just cut my arm with the hatchet.
>>2854615didn't romans add blood to make building materials stronger? you should do that
>>2854586>Let me go waste time and resources doing shit wrong when an hour or two of researching could have led my inexperienced DIY ass straight to "A bit wonky, but it's done right.".Seriously. OP deserves every bit of shit he's going to get when he has to humbly rebuild again.
>>2854615How did you manage to cut yourself up there?
>>2854621OP finding new ways to prove how much of a retard he is every day.
>>2854621i was making the notch and it ricocheted off the log and hit my arm. i could see the big blooc vessel in my forearm, thank God i didnt cut it
>>2854626Now you're making a fool of yourself even in the eyes of those who could get behind all the 'why half ass it and construct a shitty shed'.You show us a picture of a little booboo.Next you claim you saw a fucking blood vessel in there which wasn't cut. KEK!You don't see shit in deep gashes.But your injury is not even a superficial gash.If you had cut yourself, down to a relevant blood vessel, it would be open. They don't magically remain intact while you slice through tissue around it.The hatched glanced of the wood? Because it is dull. Dull axes and hatches are dangerous. They glance off wood. But you know what they don't do: Seriously cut you.
>>2854626So you're using a dull axe and you're swinging it towards yourself.Bro you're tarded.
>>2854626Shit happens manPatch it up and be more careful
>Chris McCandless ver. 2.0
>>2854645Don't let OP fool you with his apalachian mountain man larp. He's probably a minute and a half up a dirt road from a major highway.
>>2854621He's just attention whoringRemember kids sideways for attention up and down to kys
>>2853361WHAT AN ABSOLUTE SHIT SHOW AHAHAHHA MY FUCKING SIDES
OP is having fun and learning how to do shit right for his next cabin. Why the hate? It's his first time, it's going to be shit, no shit Sherlock.
>>2854708Because he's an egotistical retard begging for attention. What kind of faggot posts his absolute shit show of a cabin he's building in his dad's back yard like he's a 5 year old. Here's your attention you fucking faggot.
>>2854713im trying to encourage everyone to become a home owner anon. i want to show them how easy and cheap it is to make a house. youre just a demoralization shill
>>2854714See what I mean? Get a load of this egotistical faggot thinking his baby playing in his folk's yard is making a difference. Well you are right anon, anyone thinking about building a log cabin can take your example as exactly what not to do. Buy a fucking book, read a fucking book, and know when you've fucked up and to take advice.
>>2854715im going to make threads about my cabin for the next 50 yrs just to remind you that it hasnt fallen down.
>>2854716We both know when this thing is unlivable youll silently quit posting. The smart thing is now to change the narrative and claim you were always building a shitty tool shed and it as the practice for your real cabin.
>>2854717did i just btfo you over chicken feed in another thread?
>>2854617There's a patent from the 1980s to include blood in concrete.
>>2854718Holy shit man. Do you really think it's one person across all time and space giving you shit for your retardation? I have to assume you spout off stupid shit pretty often then
>>2854713idk not everyone gets to chop trees willy nilly in a forest and use a chainsaw
>>2854721at least my hatchat wound is doing good.
>>2854718Are you the dipshit feeding mill tailings to his 2 chickens and 2 rabbits?
>>2854724>letting the flap shrivel and die>doing goodBrother, I hope you’re a fan of scar tissue that cracks and bleeds when you stretch it in cold dry weather.
>>2854722sounds like city boy issues
>>2854740I cut open the sole of my foot really bad and did this like a retard. Now it cracks and causes ungodly pain once or twice a year.
>>2854646Seemingly won't stop him from killing himself out of retardation.I mean, the fucker hit his own arm with an hatchet/axe. Next he'll surely hit his neck with the chainsaw.
>>2854783OP, remember to start every cut with the round tip of the bar. Also go caaareful on the triger until the cut is established. It's much safer that way.
>>2854724Jesus dude.How the fuck did you not take care of that?OK youre poor and dont have insurance.Fine.You could atleast have superglued that shit together.
>>2854789Theres those surgical staplers that need no training and can be used with one hand. Pretty good to have in a emergency kit.
>>2854798its sealed up and is doing fine, stitches would have helped with the scaring but it quit bleeding pretty quickly. its clean and isnt swollen or hot. i will be fine. thanks for the suggestions though
>>2854713>>2854715Why so angry anon? If you don’t like it, just don’t read it. Go somewhere else. Touch grass. Take your medication.
op needs to build faster
>>2854724That shit looks gnarly. I'm with the other anons of you should've gone to the hospital
>>2854758rules are the same everywhere if anything it's rural/out person issue who always stroll into woods and see trees with immense potential but can't do anything about it even trees fallen during a storm city boys don't know or care that there are trees
>>2854785>start every cut with the round tip of the baruh isn't that dangerous
>>2854717you can live in a shitty tool shed aren't you a man
>>2854740>>2854798if you bring the skin together does it not die
>>2854825it was supposed to be funny for people in the know including OPOP really shouldn't be fucking with powersaws if he doesn't know hpw to use them.>>2854834I believe it definately dies if it sticks out, is folded back, dries out and has no circulation.Disinfecting and closing it wont restore circulation either, but I imagine the little blood supply that is there has an easier time keeping things alive if they don't dry out n shit. Experience seems to confirm this.Disinfect and close your stuff. Use the funny pull tab stickers, the stapler or even superglue. Thats fine.
>>2854837Do you often "pretend" to be retarded?
>stops shaving wood to sip some sencha
>>2854837>or even superglue.Superglue can be safely used in woundcare if you understand what you're doing with it, but most people don't, so recommending superglue is pretty cruel desu. Butterfly closures are cheap as hell and easy to use, everyone should just have a pack of those in their first aid kit.
>>2854844oh no please go back to a ping pong board and don't make this thread even worse.Joinery. :|Joinery, japanese. :o
I hope OPs wound gets infected and gangrenous.
>>2854807>u mad?Cmon you can do better than that.
>>2853866I wonder how well they fare in more humid climates
Bwahahahaha!
>>2854922I don’t need to do better. I’m not the one sperging out like a retard.
>>2854932They suck (anywhere).Theyre heavy, complicated tents designed to use the limited resources of a nomadic and poor people.Yes they "work" but there are also huts made completely out of cow dung that do the same thing.
>>2854877That's some top notch joinery doe.
>>2854994I wake up every day to see this thread on my watcher with my glass of bourbon and coffee with joy in my heart. It's a delight to see this retard fail and the memes ike this>>2854992
>>2855020You should focus more on your alcoholism than the suicidal retard.
>>2854713thisfaggot keeps posting this shit everywherewhat an absolute fuckin faggot
finish the fuckin cabin already
>>2855022really getting buzzed first thing in the morning then sobering up helped my heavy drinking a lot. I still drink but I don't have this gluttonous panicked feeling of "I have to go to bed in a few hours I must excess as much booze as possible".
>>2855014three way connections with no fasteners, no seams, holds against gravity and quakes like Inca legos, how do you even
>>2855044Dude.Thats the definition of "alcoholic".I drink a lot.But Im sitting here like "when did I drink last? 2 days ago? 3 days?"Seek help.
looks like OP died due to complications from his hatchet wound
>>2855073I don't give a fuck about your lightweight pearl clutching and false virtue signaling. I am a far more functional person than you.
>>2855089>I am a far more functional person than you.Your own admissions state otherwise.When you "need" a drink in the morning just to get your day started you've already become.a failure.You obviously dont have a job thats of any value if you can do it with alcohol in your system. Thats assuming you have a job at all.Youre a drain on society.
>>2855133I never said I needed it. Don't put words in my mouth you pearl clutching faggot. And secondly one glass of bourbon before breakfast isn't making me drunk through the day. Are you fucking 12?
>>2855138So much cope.Denial is typical of an addict.Fucking loser scumbag.
So what killed OP, infection, bear, or mothman?
>>2855020Shut up alcoholic morning drinker anon
>>2852776What a terribly shitty cabin. Burn that abortion of a cabin down to save yourself any further embarrassment. Absolute dogshit. You should be ashamed of yourself. FUCK.
>>2855638Fuck you.I believe in you OP, you can do it.
I really hope OP is being quiet because he is busy building, not because he gave up. Keep going, bro!
>>2854724You're a tough bastard OP. I can tell by your arm. It looks exactly like my arm. That's why he didn't go to the hospital.an doesn't have any need for that pussy ass nonsense.
Bump
>>2855645>>2855670>>2855671>>2855673here is a a pic, getting ready to start the window opening today
>>2855673thread ain't bumpin anymore
>>2855703it hit reply limit
>>2855676looks nice there, I got 30mph winds and snow today
I'm going to say the obvious: OP, when this thread hits limit please make a new one and continue the good work.
>>2855676What are you planning to do for the roof?
OP since you got plenty of natural stone. Did you consider building a chimney first?
>>2855748>roofgalvanized tinheat>picrel
>>2852776No door?
>>2854046>half hazardly
>>2854097Saars, how can he lift it?
>>2854834It would be extremely painful.
Any updates? Did OP died?
>>2855954He’s posting on /pol/ like a faggot
>>2855963Sounds about right. His cabin is going to slide down that hill. No wonder he gave up on it
>>2855964>gave up on itnah he just wants more (You)s>>>/pol/524696879
Is OP still around?
>>2855676are you not going to give the rock bed a batter like a patch of gravel it'll make it more stable
>>2855676Looking good. Got any updates? Don’t tell me you got Ruby ridged..
Cabin status?
