ì just bought a couple acres in appalachia and am building a cabin so i dont have to be a rentoid. picrel is what ive done so far
which part of appalachia?
>>28527761. chainsaw2. chainsaw mill
>>2852777same county as patara
>>2852780sighall I could find is north carolina, im just curious, im not gonna find u bro
>>2852778my dad has a chainsaw mill, its not that great
>>2852776That's cool. Make sure to keep us updated.What are you going to do about the floor, and shouldn't you start with it?
>>2852784the logs are set about a foot off the ground on big rocks. going to fill the floor with a bunch of rocks and the put a dirt floor
>>2852786Ah, okay. I have literally zero knowledge of log cabin building, but I love them.
>>2852782Maybe your dad is just bad at it
>>2852786>second pic has bark, original are stripped.Nice LARP, faggot.
>>2852800The pictures are just out of order. Are you that retarded?>>2852776Don't put a dirt floor. That will just make everything 10 times worse. (Moisture, pests, heat retention, etc.)Put in plank floors. Its easy. You'll tha k me later when you dont have to stand in mud and dirt dust.
>>2852801This.
>>2852801>The pictures are just out of order.You don't debark the logs after you've notched them.OP is a LARPing fag.Or at least a retarded fag. Because looking closely at it the OP photo and the logs with bark photo have exactly the same shit job at notching the logs.OP, I sure open you're at least nailing/doweling the logs together somehow because those notches are retard level.
>>2852809>I sure open*I sure hopeThis is what happens when you see retardation at 4 in the morning, even your phrasing ability leaves on a 3 day hike.
>>2852800i wasnt going to debark them but all the cabin buildings experts on /pol/ insisted i did. it was hard af to debarl them when they were nailed together>>2852801i might do a wood floor eventually >>2852809i will post my progress today to prove its not a larp. ive been making /B0G/ threads over on /pol/ but jannie keeps deleting them. >>>/pol/523080594
>these jointsI cried a little inside, please learn how to use a chainsaw
>>2852827post a picture of the cabin you built. i want to see your joints
have you considered cutting down atleast one decent sized tree to use as a starting layer, you could run most of those twigs in a woodstove without splitting them.
>>2852835thats what i did, the first row is approx 8" dia and after that im using 5"
>>2852786Well that's not what it looks like from the first picture but that's a decent plan. I would mix in some diatomaceous earth with the rocks to help kill bugs long term. Using baby powder everywhere where wood meets wood prevents creaking from the wood swelling and shrinking during the day cycle.
>>2852825>all the cabin buildings experts on /pol/ That's ... That's not a real thing.
>>2852854>That's ... That's not a real thing.To be fair, they gave him good advice about debarking the logs.Bark is great for insects and it would rot way easier than the logs themselves, so would leave him with pretty large voids to fill. Also moisture.Old school /pol/acks know at least the theory of building log cabins and assorted random Bug-out locations.
>>2852865Old school /pol/ is dead, some Chatgptdrone from the subhumancontinent gave him sound advice by happenstance.
another day in the books
You need a better foundation and you cut doors and windows after they’re stacked not during.What are you going to do for chinking?
>>2852885>chinkingclay, sand, wood ash mixed together
>>2852776too damn small
>>2852880Very nice.
>>2852880looks like you're having fun, I envy you!
>>2852880how are you gonna fit a bed in it?
>>2852983it is 10x8 feet ple ty of room for a bed
Based. Good luck. Please don't stop posting, I'm curious how this goes. I'd love to do something like this one day.
>>2852781I already found him. I’m looking at him right now with my night vision goggles and jacking off. He’s hairier than I imagined
>>2852985what about poop?
>>2852985Keep us updated, fren
>>2852996Not a problem. I’m Indian. Can just eat it
The fagmo made a thread on pol whining about no one stroking his ego here.
>>2853001Yeah I came here expecting it to look like /diy/ does whenever someone has a fun idea, instead its just based people telling OP good luckFuck you OP besmirching /out/s good name
>>2852880If you want this to last more than a couple of seasons, it will pay to hew the outer face of your wall as flat as you can manage. It will reduce how powerful water running down the wall will scour your chinking.I volunteered to help re-chink a “fort” at a living history museum and they were saying that the round log was really only for temporary structures, and keeping it long term (I think the replica building was about 30?) was a maintenance nightmare and only the logs that were beneath the drip eves lasted more than a few years before having to be replaced.
>>2852776you got a loicense to chop those trees son?
>>2853002lol I think OP knows better than to go to /diy/ since we'd tear him a new asshole bigger than /pol/ did.
>>2852776Nice, I'm planning something similar but I'm going to notch the ends with saw cuts and a chisel then drill and peg the joints.What tools are you using?
>>2853025>admitting to using /diy/Fuck off back to that shit hole
Good effort. this will be the shead for the next propper build. You can't expect to do it rigth the first time. Some inspiration for you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBX5qh09OIE&t=6762sDo you intend to cover the outer walls with plank clapboards? Also insulation between the logs is an idea, lots of farmhouses here in Norway from 1700 to mid 1900 used newspaper for some extra insulation between the log wall and the clapboard on the inside, mainly to stop drafts.
>>2852880why is the door facing the uphill portion
>>2853050When you go home drunk you can just roll down the hill straight inside, put a ramp to your bed behind the door for maximum win
>>2853050That way when it snows he will be completely trapped
>>2852776PLEASE put in a wood floor like >>2852801 said. You will regret it right away if you don't.t.knower
>>2852776you didn't think to start with a foundation?
>>2853074Cool it with the anti semitism
If I were you op I'd go for a dugout first1) don't have to worry about windows 2) don't have to worry about cold3) is actually stealthy 4) quicker to build 5) harder to fail because logs supported by earth
>>2852776I saw you in /pol/ saying we were shitting on your shed. Nice work letting those guys know that /out/ exists.But either way you're living my dream. I'm British and this is impossible for me. Your ancestors were correct to fuck off from here forever.
>>2853076You can even put a window into the roof for overhead light.
>>2853035We don't want to share our esoteric knowledge anyways
>>2852776seems more akin to a shed. how the fuck are you gonna even sleep in that anon? where will you cook? where will you keep your shit? its tiny as fuck
>>2853101It's 8'x10' thats more than enough room. 6'x8' would be a little tight but really what do you need, a place to lie down and enough room for a little wood stove?
>>2853128Where will you poop?
>>2853076This anon is onto something.OP, go all Mike Oehler on your land, read The $50 & Up Underground House Book.Go unnaground anon, you know you want to.
>>2852985is that the door on the far side? Idk about log cabins but when I camp I always try to put my tent flap downhill so if a storm comes it won't wash mud and debris up against the flap. Is it a concern having your door facing the hill here?
>>2853143Not in my fucking bedroom
>>2853187Nice! Here in India we poop outside as well. It is considered unclean to poop inside of the house. Are you Bharati as well?
>>2853198he said Appalachia, not Brampton.
>>2853128he's just building a log cabin to flex on /out/. You can build a similar shelter with a similar skill set(knot tying). Half this board cant comprehend how to do this stuff.
>>2853230Dont flatter yourself OP, what you're doing isn't impressive and you can barely comprehend foundations.
>>2853230Hes just cutting random square notches to overlay on round logs. This is less effort than a split rail fence.For starters youre suppose to use a compass to transfer the shape of the specific log youre cutting a notch for onto the overlay log or at the bare minimum cut "Lincoln Log" notches.He did zero research and is just stacking firewood. There will be no structural rigidity and the shit shack will collapse before he even gets it finished.
I know nothing about anything. How do you stop the wood from deteriorating, getting moldy, splintering from freezing water, shit growing on it, animals trying to live in it, etc?
I applaud the enthusiasm and enjoy the incompetence.
>>2853274Maintenance.The logs are suppose to be planed to minimize gaps. Any gaps that do exist were historically packed with something like a clay based mud (this varied highly by regional availability). There are specific products sold today that are like wood putty/ play doh.Modern builds treat the logs with a waterproofing like "Thompson's deck seal" or a polyurethane.
>>2853143In an outhouse?
>>2852776So OP are you done? You're making 4 cuts per log, the walls should be up by now
>>2853340I think OP is trolling and just wanted some attention. That’s why there’s no foundation and the door faces the hill >not to mention the shitty joints
>>2853351its low level bait from a landscaper thats for sure. Who else has a 6 foot level but a framer and no way a framer is notching like that.
>>2853340>>2853351im not done, the right trees keep getting further away and debarking them takes forever. i hope to get 2 rows on today
>>2853361BUT WHY DOES THE DOOR FACE THE HILL
>>2853362only true men can leave the comforts of their homes and walk uphill
>>2853362im going to level it out and bring it.to grade for water shed. i want the water to flow off the roof on downhill side. and dont want the door where rain is coming off the roof. the roof isnt going to have a peak
>>2853366Are you going to latch the logs together? If so, how are you planning? They’re going to fall apart otherwise
>>2853361>im not done, the right trees keep getting further away and debarking them takes forever. i hope to get 2 rows on todayGlad to see you're still posting. I was afraid you'd given up and we'd never get to see the finished product.
>>2853369>latch the logs togetherlike in the corners? im putting 6" ring shank spikes in every corner, for the door im going to frame the opening with regular lumber. for chinking im using clay, ash and sand
>>2853369Yeah, anon really should be putting some more effort into this if he wants it to last.Half dovetails are pretty easy to cut if you make yourself a jig.
>>2853377>>2853373>im putting 6" ring shank spikes in every cornerOr do that, I guess.
>>2853377lmao, as if you even own any tools or cut a piece of wood before. its solid as fuck. i tried to cut better notches but when i was doing it i kepted catching the grain of the wood and it would spit to the end so i just said fuck it.
>>2853361if your going so far where are these right trees cause I see literally sticks.
>>2853380>i tried to cut better notches but when i was doing it i kepted catching the grain of the wood and it would spit to the end so i just said fuck itt. proven retard
>>2853373Spikes are the worst thing you can do.It will cause the logs to split. You'd be better off drilling holes and just using those spikes as alignment pins.
>>2853390lmao, the points arent thaf sharp and the wood is green
>>2853076>4) quicker to build >5) harder to fail because logs supported by earthhow is it quicker it's the same construction except now you also have to dig and why would stacked logs fail ever if anything they have a bigger chance of failing in the mud because rot will set in quicker literal mud walls don't fail if there is a roof over them >but m-muh stealth
>>2853392See:>>2853385
>>2853267i'm not op faggot
>>2853422Well maybe you should go find him in the Appalachians and cuddle with your boyfriend in his cabin you faggot.
idk much about building log cabins but it feels like it would fall down if a bear leaned on it
>>2853428>should go find him in the Appalachians and cuddle with your boyfriend in his cabin you faggot.god this is my dream
im done for today
>>2853450Making progress, anon…. Gonna be sweet to see it when you’re finished. Where are you getting the logs? Just cutting random trees down?
>>2853450I'm mad jelly, anon. Keep up the good work!
>>2853450Enthusiastic, you'll learn a lot if nothing else. As has been mentioned previously, you're going to want a wood floor, and you'll want to airgap it between the earth fill you use underneath. That will be the single biggest thing you can do for livability, after CHINKING. You're creating a big headache for yourself with those gaps, you'll want to chink the everloving hell out of that to make it reasonably comfortable. Once it's built and you've spent time living in it you'll see what you like and what you don't, and you can go for round 2.You should seriously consider >>2853076 for a number of reasons. Stealth is not so important, but the big thing is climate regulation. In the hot summer it will be cool thanks to the earth surrounding it, in the winter it will be warmer, thanks to the earth surrounding it. It will also be shockingly quiet, even in a big storm. You can make life easy by wrapping that cunt in pond liner before reburying it, and working out a french drain for the unit proper. You've clearly got grade enough on the land.But that's a future issue. Get it built, get it lived in, save up some capital, then go for round 2. It's a good project.
>>2853159i looked at that book before you definitely need more than $50 to build the structures in it
>>2853511the title is literally 50 and "UP", you can't be this retarded.
>>2853512yeah and not only
>>2853511it was written in the 70s
Recommend choosing a better site. Just move the logs.You need a proper foundation and on a slop water will run down and undermine your site. Clay, gravel, concrete, whatever. That stuff is way harder to move then the logs.And the reason few cabins are made this way is because to calculate the number of logs you need, you'll realise how far you'll have to move them, and how much wood you'll be using. That's when you think, chainsaw mill, band saw.I also notice that without a foundation you also don't really have anywhere to put uprights, or anywhere to lay a wooden floor. So no cold sump, that's a lot of damp of you're not perma-frozen.So you may want to consider clearing the dirt, putting in a footing, whole logs for the frame but then half sawn logs for the floor and loft, door/window frames you'll want boards for. Whole log walls are stronger, easier to build, but weight a ton. If one log only yields one board, then you'd probably use the raw logs for the walls. But if you can get two half sawn board that halves the number of logs for the floor, loft, frames. Then there's the question of roofing because tin is a particularly poor insulator, so do you want to tarboard the roof, or use half sawn logs and fill it, or use wooden shingles? The other unfortunate issue is drying timber. Do you need to? Where can you dry it, should you cut all the logs before you even start because then they'll be dry. Do you even want to build 100% timber or would it make more sense to ram earth, use posts, do the bottom two foot in rammed earth then frame the walls with boards?
>>2853450What a tremendous waste of time. How can anyone here seriously be encouraging this half-assed monstrosity?
>>2853527post your log cabin also having fun is never a waste of time
>>2853527I'm sorry your childhood was this bad. Yes it's absolutely terrible lazy work but try to imagine OP is a kid and it becomes cute instead
>>2853143On your moms chest
>>2853527most of the users on this board don't even participate in the topic
>>2853450That left corner will fail.You cant stack 5 tons on an unsupported corner.
>>2853581But ummm, look sweaty, I put a big nail in the corners so they will hold together
>>2853001this is obviously someone trolling there on /pol/>>2852776pls post every day OP
>>2853621>pls post every day OP>never posts againthanks anon
>>2853758>never posts againBecause hes pinned under 1,200 pounds of logs on the side of a mountain in Appalachia.
>>2853761We will never hear from him again. Sad!
>>2853758>>2853761>>2853781im here, its cold as fuck so im trying to stay warm. i am going to work on getting my foundation up to par if its warm enough tomorrow
>>2852776Bro you're in fucking appalachia, build a proper stone foundation instead of propping your shit up on 2 rocks, you have an infinite supply of the fuckers.
>>2853783where are you living while you build this?
>>2853783Dude.You can buy 4" thick 8"x16" cap blocks for like $2 a piece at home depot.Thats 96 to do your floor.So for about 200 bucks you can load them in your shit box and cart them up the hill. Pull what you have apart.Level the ground by hand and nestle the blocks together.Then re-stack your "logs" on that.
>>2853801again, he's just flexing on /out/ people only find it impressive because half the people here cant comprehend doing it themselveshalf the people here cant even tie knots
>>2853803at least half the people in this thread are calling him a retard how is that flexing?
>>2853803Dude every kid growing up in the South can tie at least 2-3 fishing nots by the time they’re 8 years old. Who tf can’t tie a knot?
>>2853803Its not a flex.Its a cry for help.If we dont help this retard his corpse is.going to be some coyotes chew toy.
Fuck cabins, take the TP pill, anon. You would probably already be done by now
>>2853815You can make them really thick too so they have great insulation for the winter with a stove in the middle
>>2853783Are you going to make the floor out of pallets or what?
>>2853531I agree with this.IMO it is a waste of lumber instead.It's nice that OP is doing something.But OP, don't cut corners left and right because you expected things to be faster, are unpatient or addicted to instant gratification. First understand what you are doing and then do it right. What you're making is a pile of sticks with some artistic carvings on them.
>>2853815And you wouldn't be able to stand up.
>>285351150 USD in 1971 is 401 USD in 2025.
>>2853801read the thread, that would make it taxable, concrete foundation makes it a permanent stucture and would raise my property taxes>>2853815>>2853816>>2853815>>2853816two of my friends had teepees when we were young. one made it out of cow hides from cows that died on his ranch and the other one paid a shit ton of money for a kit that came with a camvas cover. lots of downsides to teepees, they are basically a giant pain in the ass tent
>>2853821im going to fill the low side until its level with rocks laying around and then cap it with dirt.
>>2853857>that would make it taxable, concrete foundation makes it a permanent stuctureCap blocks =/= concrete slab foundation.You need to re-read the regulations and understand what is written.
>>2853815uh these are tents anon meant to move with people
>>2852776>so I don't have to be a rentoidsounds like you are currently renting? Depending on how fast you want or must get out, I don't really understand why you're not building a dug out first.There is a reason why, historically, it was a common thing to do upon arrival in an area to build a dug out first and then, working out of it, build a structure you actually want to inhabit. Especially with winter approaching.A dug out is just so much faster and cheaper to construct, takes less planning and materials.
>>2853864how? it still needs strong walls because mud in a hole can collapse and bury your things
>>2853863hes gotta make one of theseive been wanting to for ages but havent had a spot to do it
>>2853865>how?OP is stacking twigs. Even with the nails OP is putting into what probably is supposed to be a log house, it won't have >strong wallseither, if OP keeps on doing like OP does.So whichever way you one turns it: Dug outs offer better performance for the same labour and materials invested or need less of both for better performance.If OP builds a cabin as the pictures posted imply, then it will not evem keep the wind out. Meamwhile the same amount of care taken constructing walla underground will kep the wind out and the wall from collapsing.Pro tip: Surrounding earth can even make the log construction stronger.Besides: Many types of dug out have much less reinforcing 'walls' than you seem to think. Earth will always naturally remain in place up tk a certain angle. 'Walls' do not have to be vertical to make a living space. And I still want to believe this is about living space, not cargo cultism.
>>2853864>A dug out is just so much faster and cheaper to construct, takes less planning and materials.The fuck? No it's not.
>>2853870Fuck yes. It is.Look: Most traditional pit houses are just a footprint sunk into the ground, to below the frost line, some rafters and maybe rafter ties. Perhaps a central pillar too if it's large.Again: Collapsing walls are a non-issue. The infantile idea of 'a pit house always is essentially a log house sunk into the ground' is not correct. There is no need for the walls to be upright. I agree, unsupported upright walls would collapse when it rains for a while. But egen if for the sake of cargo cultism one insisted on upright walls: Since the ground offers intrinsic wind protection they again need much less material and especially work to keep them up. The sort of construction OP has demonstrated would be more than enough underground. But it is not adequate above ground. Underground it would even be enough to drive in some posts and weave in branches or pile up sticks behind them. Or have slanted walls. Primitive people often simply built pit houses with slanted walls and dropped any stones they could find on the slope for reinforcement.A few rafters and whatever roofing is available.OP has already used more in material than the basic structure (rafters, maybe ties, maybe central pillar) would need.
>>2853874your talking to someone who would balk at the effort it would take to dig a proper footing for a log cabin anyways. They have 0 concept of the amount of work any type of construction takes and since their only reference is the one time they swung a spade to plant a tree they think digging is the hardest work of all time.
>>2853864it rains way too much for a dugout, i actually spent alot of time going to museums and such studimg how they built cabins in the olden days. tbqh this will probably be a dog run cabin on day
>>2853878your literally on such a grade building your tiny cabin flat is gonna be a pain in the ass. How do you think drainage works you could do a dugout easily.
>>2853864i have a car to sleep in, i dont need a dug out, this intital phase is somthing quick with improvements to follow. im a poorfag so i cant afford concrete and such. honestly the $120 for the tin roof is going to be hard to find.
>>2853879my cabin is sitting on a giant whole house french drain.
For those that are unaware, appalachia isnt loose sandy soil.OP is going to hit bedrock 1 foot down. Yes, even on the side of a mountain. That's why its still a mountain and hasmt been washed down to the atlantic over the last million years.So dugout are not feasible.>>2853863This.Teepees were intended for ease of setup/takedown and transport. They werent permanent nor meant for hostile climates. Natives followed fair weather patterns and moved south in the winter.They were made from Bison hides which were plentiful and easy to replace. To make a real teepee today with full hides is going to run about $100 per square foot today. If you wanted to do canvas youre talking about a mil-surp vietnam army tent.Yurts are much more robust and designed for inclimate weather but are actually complicated and heavy structures- a log cabin is easier to build.
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>>2853885that also makes the soil more stable
>>2853880Then you need to make up the shortfall with effort
>>2853880>i have a car and a powersaw>poorfag so i cant afford concreteThe world the motorism conspirators have created is really something to behold.Anyways you're completely right about not needing a dug out when you have shelter for the time of the build. I read you like you depend on a rented place.I still fear your walls and everything are more like a sieve. Costs and effort of fixing that after the fact are probably in excess of what it would additionally take to do things right from the begining. Unless you want to wrap or furnish the whole thing with polytarps. But if you're thinking boarding or plywood you might be better off planning the build with that in mind.
>>2853881it must be a "southern" french drain cause it looks like a pile of dirty rough fill to me.
>>2853923Hey, don’t bring the South into whatever the fuck OP is doing…
>>2853924my mention of the south of france is also racial in nature but moreso old school european racism then a civil war mention.
>>2853925Lol, ok then, carry on. Good chat
they're onto OP
>>2853936KEK
