how do you train for mountaneering hiking and backpacking and out in generali know the optimal way is to load weight on a backpack and walk uphill and down, increasing distance, elevation and weight progressivelybut i live in flat area and it's depressing to drive for 1 hour just to be on the same boring trail. anything closer is shit, i need to go up and down the same hill 10 times to get close to the total elevation i want, it's boring and depressing and people who i encounter think i'm stupidany other suggestions?
You can always just increase the distance or increase your speed
>>2853460walk everywhere with a load in your bag, doesnt matter what just keep walkin
>>2853460what's the point of adding weight to your backpack? just fill your backpack with stuff that you actually need to carry around for the specific hike. get used to that, find out which items work for you and which do not. also, consider going on multi-day hikes. a lot of hiking routes will allow you to have a sort of base camp, from which you can take different routes up a mountain. i think a lot of hiking/mountaineering is very much about just doing the thing and learning from experience. obviously you are not gonna start with something that you can't handle. some routes require specific equipment and/or skills that you need to train first, which may mean for example going to a climbing gym and learning technique.anyone correct me if i'm wrong.
>>2853460>>2853460If you don’t really have access to real elevation change, just focus on being in good shape. If you run often and have strong quads and lungs, you’ll be equipped for /out/ activities including long uphill hikes. I suggest at least 1 mile 5 times a week and if you enjoy it, work your way up to running 3-5 miles per day. Is there a highschool football stadium nearby? Throw in some stair running to build uphill endurance. If mountaineering is something you plan to make a primary hobby, you’re probably going to want to look into moving somewhere closer to the mountains.
>>2853460I try to hike a mountain at least bi-weekly, regularly raising the requirements for stamina and technique.No need for extra training then, unless you want to make a big jump.
>>2853460You don't need to train to walkStop being fat
>>2853460what are you training for? just do a 1 nighter with everything you think youll need and then when you come back remove what you didnt and add what you actually didthen do another 1 nighter and then maybe a 2 nighter. then go for a 40km walk over 2 days and then maybe try push 30km in one day. maybe try a hill one trip and then a mountain and then the biggest point near your housethen you keep doing this over and over until you get to where you want
I used to go to the gym near midnight with all my gear in my pack and use the treadmill on moderate incline. No point using rocks train with the actual weight if your gear.
Stairs. Bleachers. Hold a brick in each hand, and tread water vertically. Get a small parachute and run around with it attached to your back via harness.
>>2853460Don't worry about it, just don't be fat and be relatively active in your daily life. Humans are only second to birds and whales in our natural ability to cover long distances.Go on a three day trip in the mountains and pack moleskin if you have already done some day hikes. Hike out day one and call it quits when you feel like it. Day two just do a day hike (still with all your stuff in the backpack) then start heading back. Day three finish the hike back.You will find that after a full day of hiking you will not even notice you are walking the second or third day. Distance doesn't matter in this exercise and it should be enjoyable so pack what you want to. After a few trips, you should know how to cut down pack weight and you should be comfortable with longer distances.PACK MOLESKIN. I find offbrand/Fred Meyer works best. A bad blister will turn what should be a fun experience into the Bataan death march.Don't worry about weight, just learn how to balance your backpack so that the center of gravity is as close to above your hips as possible. This usually means heavy shit up top.
>>2853460Just get into running. Do a little bit of weight lifting, like 1-2x a week. Find stairs or get a treadmill that can incline to 15 degrees at least and use that for climbing. You need these exercises but only occasionally. The biggest advantage you can give yourself is being able to sustain low effort cardio all day. Distance running is great for hiking endurance.
>>2853541>only second to birds and whaleswhat? and wolves and ostriches and salmon and bison and horses and probably camels and probably a dozen others (these were just the first that came to mind)
if your house is somewhat big, you can walk in your house. i have a mostly straight path from my kitchen through my hallway and to a bathroom, a bit over 10 stepsi like reading and i learned to read while i walk, there's just a table and the toilet i have to be a bit careful with but i don't even need to look at it. if you don't live alone this might not work for you. i wear a hat because the lights moving constantly while you walk are very annoyingi only do it out of boredom and because i often get sleepy if i read while sitting or laying down, but i will try to take it more seriously. i can add weighted backpack and heavy boots, whatever. also walk half-squatting to make it harder and simulate uphill. the one time i measured it was more than 7k steps so it's something. and it's reading + doing exercise at the same time, it's amazing actually
>>2853530if you do that, it's better to just use 1kg bags of rice or whatever. easier to pack and to track how much you are carrying. also the treadmill must be worse than actual uphill no matter the incline, because you are not actually going up
>>2853571It worked for me and got my leg muscles good to go for real hiking. I originally took my real gear because the gym had a very good scale and I wanted a precise weight. Then it just became easier not to unpack it every day.
>>2853513real
>>2853482>You don't need to train to walkdisagree. most people barely walk anywhere. when i say the grocery store is a 30 minute walk away people would be shocked to walk that instead of getting in a car or riding the bus
i got a standing desk with a treadmill ill put on my pack of about 20 pounds and ill just walk at 2mph idk maybe an hour or two a day. It's mainly for feet strength and so you dont chafe and a very baseline fitness level. What will end a hike or atleast make it unenjoyable is feet discomfort, blisters, and just general rubbing, all that leads to awkard movements when walking that over time can lead to injury like if you are chaffing you'll walk bow legged or whatever and cause you don't normally walk that way you can hurt something, before i got my treadmill/standing desk i would just walk around with a pack on and do chores and shit just to get some thyme on your feet
>>2853460Just one comment being real.You need to run. Strength work and rucking weight are your base, but you need to run if you want strong legs and speed.Also dropping 10-20 pounds of fat does wonders, I can tell you that from first hand experience. Does more then a year of training in terms of progress.
>>2853965thats not the main thing, sounds like OP is asking about training for 8+ hour activities, its about endurance. you cant train that kind of endurance running because thats like 1h sessions at most
>>2854091That is exactly what running trains. 1 hr sessions? Why would you be limited to that? Heard of marathons?
>>28540911 hour easy running sessions + 1 long run per week, is literally how you train long distance endurance
>>2853460i just do the master roshi thing and always carry my 12kg "stealth" backpack when i leave the house or go for an hour "powerwalking". like 2 or 3 times a week. good cardio too i look sexy af now.
>>2854242
track and field athletes train by doing squats
>>2853460>but i live in flat area and it's depressing to drive for 1 hour just to be on the same boring trail. anything closer is shit, i need to go up and down the same hill 10 times to get close to the total elevation i want, it's boring and depressing and people who i encounter think i'm stupidOne of the guys I met on my last mountaineering trip trained by jogging circuits with a weighted pack up and down the stairs of his apartment building. Guess that's the only option when you live in Singapore. Can't say he seemed to give a fuck whether the other residents thought he looked stupid or not and it did the job, we both made it to 6800m.
>>2853468>walk everywhere with a load in your bagoh man I already do that
>>2853513>kilometers Get off of our AMERICAN board you silly, European faggot. >kilometers Kek, you massive homo.
>>2854243>that purple dildo at the bottom Kek. Nice work whoever did that.
>>2853460Kettlebell swings. Trains most of the relevant muscle. You want a strong core and legs. Also train cardio. You can add squats and other relevant exercises as needed. If you don't have hills find tall building with stairs.
ok after this thread it looks like the best thing is just stairs with weight. it's obvious in hindsight, i'll just try to avoid running into peoplethanks bros
>>2853460just do stuff on a daily basis, have a physical job, just move around,
If you really need to carry dead weight, never carry rocks - carry water. Or something equally useful yet heavy
If you have to ask you are NGMI
>>2855108lulz
>>2853460What relevant exercise will make my erections better?
>>2853470Strength training. Gets you used to carrying more weight than you usually would, so when you carry your usual weight, it's easier. It's why soldiers run around carrying logs n shit.
what if you have lower back problems and carrying heavy backpacks gives you a fucking awful pain for the next few days
1. You want a strong aerobic base, so do lots of easy runs or basic hikes that keep you working but let you speak in complete sentences during. Do these as much as you can, 5-7x/week. Ideally these are hikes, but most only have time for that on weekends.2. You want strength. Don't need to go crazy but lift weights 1-2x weekly, focusing on lower body and core3. You want "muscular endurance". Do hill repeats as heavy as your legs can go. The limiting factor should be your leg strength, so if you can do this for an hour without your legs being tired you aren't hauling heavy enough.4. Eat lots of protein and sleep enough. Manage stress. Don't neglect carbs and learn to eat while hiking. Rest if you feel an injury happening, training is a marathon not a sprint.This is more or less what training for the new alpinism suggests.
>>2857424oh and DO NOT DO HIIT. HIIT IS A WASTE OF TIME FOR ALL ENDURANCE SPORTS and can actually DETRAIN your endurance.
>>2853460This sounds like a great way to fuck your body up without ever setting foot on a mountain.I don't see why wouldn't you simply do cardio, get one of those hypoxic masks and get in a bulking diet to build hemoglobin (or move to high elevation and regularly train there), on top of doing core resistance exercise.If you walk around with useless weight on your body you will fuck up your knee cartilages and ankles, on top of bulging your spinal discs without seeing any benefit whatsoever.
>>2857411Then you should go to the gym and do your deadlifts to fix your weak back.
