Land that conservation agencies refuse to allow to be open to the public outright should be turned into condos for millionaires instead.
>>2853939your a schizophrenic
>>2853940If I can't hike there, someone should at least get to live there.
>>2853939Conservation of land while banning human access doesn't make sense.Who are you conserving it for??? If you aren't conserving it for human use, there is no point of conserving it at all.
>>2853942based retard
>>2853942agreed, but boomers don't care about reality
>>2853939>Land that conservation agencies refuse to allow to be openSuch as? ...and dont mention the Nature Conservancy cuz that land is private- they can do with it whatever they want....unless you dont believe in private property...
>>2853942>Who are you conserving it for???Humans need healthy ecosystems to survive, If ecosystems collapse so do humans.
>>2853943Eventually the entire world will burn and everything will die. So why would you conserve land unless it is for the purpose of humans being able to enjoy nature while it is still around?
>>2853947I don't believe in private property.
>>2853948This does not require banning human access to land, only banning human development of land.
>>2853939What are these "conservation agencies"
>>2853951cool. give me all your stuff. >>2853952meh. maybe. it cant hurt to keep humans out for awhile and let it heal
>>2853955anyone who owns land with nice views or water features where such land is not open to public access, under the pretense that such land is owned for purposes other than development or commercial/industrial use
>>2853952What a fucking retard.1) Animals avoid humans.2) If human activity is noticed, animals will leave an area.Ive hiked through areas that had been closed for a year or two and there were snakes and small game that were not present before the closure.Once people returned the animals left again.Im talking about places ive hiked for decades.
>>2853939>if I cant access it, it should be destroyedholy retard batman. >>2853957>anyone who owns land with nice views or water featuresSo...me? I own 20 acres with an amazing view...but because I dont want you on it, you think it should have condos on it instead.How fucking retarded are you?
>>2853951Coincidentally, you don't own any land either. Coincidentally.
>>2853941Wrong.
>>2853939This view could be almost anywhere in West Virginia.T. Best Virginian
>>2853999wv is slightly differently shaped less jaggedthis is north carolina
>>2853939you could still go in there you know. i routinely veer off trail and trespass in conservation areas
>>2854001I hate that it's all a game where they set all these rules and try to catch you. Feels like a hunt and I am the hunted.
>>2854000Dub Vee is more jagged broIts all the peaks in your photoAs far as the eye can see usuallyThe thing that really makes the photo no depict WV is the flat area in the foreground.Thats why people don't sense the mountains here, there are no foothills only little jagged peaks.Posted from a steep valley, the other 50% of the state
>>2854003no, NC has way more serrated peaks than WV does WV overall is more rounded especially in the interior
>>2854004I meanNot trying to undermine your credibility regarding the two mountainous areas bro.But do those peaks in the posted pic qualify as jagged to you?Are you saying the WV peaks in general are more rounded than those?Cuz I been literally all over this state, from huntington to morgantown to lewisburg over 11 years.And the peaks I see every day are the same or more pointed than those in the pic.In fact I thought the pic was kinda mellow when I first posted regarding its similarity to WV.But anyway, its a dumb thing to argue over.Just wanted to say that I see a SIMILAR view all the fuck over this state.In fact I comment that its almost monotonous after a while.Good day to you.
>>2854006this is just a zoomed in photo meant to illustrate the contrast between peaks and housingin general ive found nc to have more jagged shaped peakspost some jagged wv peaks (but no cheating by posting quartzite outcroppings)I mean you have things like baker rocks, seneca rocks, those are jagged but those are just quartzite left behind when the sedimentary rocks erodeI'm pretty exhausted right now, but I have plenty of photos I think of jagged NC peaks and less jagged WV ones>In fact I comment that its almost monotonous after a while.there's always a uniqueness to the fractals, subtle differences in the design there's this gorgeous view you can only get from a road somewhere in extreme southern WV south of panther wildlife management area and its just stacks of rounded hills but they are in a unique shape I want to go back and get a photo but its a narrow road with no pull off and no trespassing signs everwheresort of like a ridge road up at 2000 ft above panther creek
>>2853939
Why would millionaires want to be somewhere so far away from civilization? I understand the peace and quiet but there's a a lot of land for people to camp out and rob you or kidnap you for ransom and a long ways for emergency responders to travel.
>>2854031Well, in pic related I think you are about 3-4 hours from some of the major piedmont cities of the south, so its like a weekend and holiday retreat to be somewhere more quiet, and also there's ski resorts in the area>but there's a a lot of land for people to camp out and rob you or kidnap you for ransomyou don't really hear about that happeninghighlands nc, also, is filled with gated country clubs and estates and they probably have security too so I guess if you are rich enough, you've thought of that already, and also, the terrain is forbidding so it's gonna be hard for bad guys to even get there
>>2853957So not agencies, then? Private landowners? If you have a problem with their land management you could always buy it from then.
>>2854043>just have millions of dollars bro
>>2853942Self centered egoist retard.
>>2854538land should be publicly accessible with the fewest restrictions possible where doing so would not present an actual specific likely threat to other humans or animals, and the land in question is the only way to access a particular feature
>>2854541This position is not very well thought out
>>2854003>>2854004>>2854006>>2854007Eastoids arguing about "jagged" peaks lmao
>>2854624Believe it or not, we do have a few amongst all the rolling hills
>>2854636I inb4'd posting quartzite outcroppingsalso, no the view from the official viewing box is not as good as if you do the dangerous thing and walk up onto the fin itself, but I wasn't gonna do that.
>>2854044whining about what other people do with their own property accomplishes nothing but shitting up this board. I would rather have pol escapist fantasy posts than your continued bitching
>>2854670starting a discussion can change society
>>2853939Every square inch of earth should be covered in concrete. Fuck green things.
>>2855268What about the oceans?
>>2855482They should be drained and shipped off world and sold to the highest bidder. Then the ocean bed should be covered in concrete.
>>2853939Yes saar open the designated shitting forest saar.
>>2853942Information redundancy. It's like a library, museum, or graveyard. Information is stored there even if it's not in use.
In my state, the state and state-funded yet private conservation groups own land from which the public is barred. I know of multiple properties where this is the case.
>>2853939>Land that conservation agencies refuse to allow to be open to the publicThats where all the kids go missing>>2853942Yes it does, if you're jewish
>>2853939No, that's retarded, but your pic is comfy.
>>2854654Pussy, walk out onto the fin
>>2858251My legs were exhausted by the time I reached the top and I didn't want to risk dying. The sign says the view is just as good from the allowed view-cuckbox but I don't think it is. I hate scary rock outcroppings with no railings and believe me I spend plenty of time on them. I watched a fit early 20 something couple ascend off into the fins, and I think other people too. Kinda sucks they can't put a proper path into the fins to a better view. I guess the actual better view is from Roaring Plains, but that's an annoying one because you have to be there sept 1- dec 31 for the road to be open otherwise its a much longer walk.
>>2858258There's a similar place at the top of Mt. Laguna in San Diego.Nice railed area for viewing but if you hop the rail and walk around the corner theres a ledge.Its basically a shelf thats 6,000 feet above the valley floor. And its slightly sloped (towards the drop off of course).Friend and I sat there and had lunch after a hike once. One slip and it would have been flight training with no recovery.
>>2858258>My legs were exhausted by the time I reached the topNTA but how out-of-shape are you? The hiking trail up Seneca Rocks was totally underwhelming. Yawn! Only the exposed rockhopping on top made it worthwhile.
>>2858311it's 800 ft of up. It's not nothing. I think Roaring Plains is ~ 700 ft of up if you do the loop (for 7 mi vs 2) but I would just take the pipeline to the views and then out and back it the wilderness part is in rough shape. blah blah I get it you guys are autists with tard strength, not everyone is like that, some people are weak and we make do
>>2858258I watched an obese woman who was smoking like a chimney reach the top of the trail
>>2858328some people are differently abled, be respectful
>>2855518for example...
>>2858315800 feet is basically nothing. The hiking trail is quite boring and so is that viewing platform. Technical rope climbing and freeclimbing is where it's at on Seneca. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ZqM5VGIHQ
>>2858619>800 feet is basically nothingnot everyone has your abilities if you put many sedentary non-hiking americans up to the task of 800 ft of steps, I suspect many would turn back
>>2858620yes but this is a board about going outdoors so its assumed that the average person here can walk a a couple km up a rolling hill.
>>2858672that's fine, you don't have to act astonished that slow hikers existsome people are disabled and you are being weird about it like everyone HAS to be ultra-fit and quick
>>2858674 I guess you would have to be disabled for it to be reasonable to say 800ft of elevation is a lot. You are just accepting of fat people whereas I don't accept fat people eat less do more fattie.
