Since I think all y'all would be the most mature and knowledgable board about this:I need to settle this debate for our families emergency kits when a snowstorm or power outage hits. (I checked for a stupid questions thread but there wasn't any) I am arguing in favor of getting two butane gas stoves/burners for general use, see picrelThe reason for this is that I want to be able to cook indoors for obvious security reasons. We all live in the same, but pretty cramped subdivision, and everyone can look into eachothers front and back yards.However, my brother is having a mental breakdown how carbon dioxide will kill us if we'd cook indoors without mechanical ventilation or a range hood after a power outage. Regardless of cracking a window or two.For indoor use I would prefer to use one of those flat stoves rather than something tall like those stoves that you screw on top of a canister, due to its much higher center of gravity. I know there are some safety concerns with those flat stoves, but to my knowledge that is caused by using pots or pans on the stove that are way too large, reflecting and conducting a lot of heat back down to where the gas canister is, causing it to burst under pressure, and the gas igniting from the lit burner, causing a nice thermobaric effect I suppose.Let's focus the discussion purely using a propane (butane too I guess) stove indoors in an emergency with regard to breathing safety.Are there any risks if you just cook in one room upstairs with the window(s) open?Do the risks outweigh the safety/security offered by cooking indoors to your opinion?
>>2855205Do you have a deck/patio to cook on?Having proper ventilation indoors would mean cooling down your living space to uncomfortable levels then having to heat the area back up after you cook.
>>2855205just use it near an open window, people do it all the timeits not the same as using a charcoal grill or entire propane tank, those are where all the reported deaths come from
>>2855206>Do you have a deck/patio to cook on?Yes, but as mentioned in the OP you're seen by everyone, which is the whole point of wanting to cook indoors. It's not a bad neighborhood where we live, but no neighborhood is without (pretty) bad apples. I just want to protect my family from some rando with mental health issues or someone that is so desperate that violence is their first course of action.>Having proper ventilation indoors would mean cooling down your living space to uncomfortable levels then having to heat the area back up after you cook.I am proposing to assign one room in the house for cooking, not to stay in after cooking. If that room gets (a lot) colder for a few hours a day, that's fine, we don't need to stay in that room. Also planning on using towels to further close up the gap between the bottom of the door and the floor, not against CO/CO2 but against the cold draught.I'm thinking that about 30-60 minutes of additional ventilation after cooking is sufficient to ensure safe air and getting some moisture out.>>2855207Exactly. The problem is that my brother is a PhD grad and he just has an annoying tendency to reject every proposal or argument just because he didn't come up with it and is extremely autistically risk-averse beyond any reality. But he has kid and a wife that I hate to see anything bad happen to. He's an avid hiker unlike me, are there any hiker YT channels maybe that went over this that he trusts more than his own brother?
>>2855205How do you replace those butane canisters in an emergency? Why not use a stove that can burn gasoline or kerosene instead
>>2855209>in an emergencyWhat kind of emergency are you talking about:?You can just replace them shits in a pinch, those canisters are about a buck or two depending on where you look.See picrelOther alternatives, as mentioned in the OP, are those tanks that you screw a stove atop on. I think years ago you also had another type of can that is punctured by the stove body, meaning that you can't swap them out until they are empty. I hardly see those anymore. They're not within my current considerations.
>>2855208>my brother is a PhD gradhe makes you call him Dr., doesn't he?if he feels like eating cold spaghettio's, thats his own prerogative have a stove for yourself, eat a nice warm meal when the power shits outhe does what he wants & you do what you want, either he takes his head out of his ass or he doesn't, simple as
>>2855212>he makes you call him Dr., doesn't he?nah>he does what he wants & you do what you want, either he takes his head out of his ass or he doesn't, simple asYeah, it seems like that is the only way to go about it. Just fucking sucks for his kid, who is as cute as a button.
>>2855205the fact is these things burn very cleanly and don't produce a dangerous amount of harmful gases, especially in the time it takes to cook a meal. it's not like you're leaving it burning 24/7. the risk is minimal.you will never get that point across to these types of no-common-sense illogical people living in constant fear though. maybe ask him why he you don't suffocate in your house?
>>2855215>living in constant fear thoughI'm actually glad he's finally doing something, whereas I've been building an outage kit for about a decade. But to my opinion he's just doing the wrong stuff. The fact that I've spent a decade already thinking about this shit is just ignored by him and I'm just the retarded brother that had difficulty to graduate college.>maybe ask him why he you don't suffocate in your housealready did, muh mechanical ventilation and muh electric range hood
>>2855205The main downside with those is in cold weather the gas pressure inside the canister drops and the flame gets weak. Also when the canister is nearly empty, it freezes up just from being used and the flame can go out. Some have a heat pad that takes some heat from the flame to warm up the canister. >carbon dioxideOf no concern whatsoever. Should be more concerned about monoxide but still not worth worrying about. People have use bigger gas stoves in houses with no range hoods for decades by now. >conducting a lot of heat back down to where the gas canister is, causing it to burst under pressureI couldn't see how this is even remotely possible. The canister has a lid over it, that would be enough heat protection. I've laid canisters right next to the flame resting against the pot stand to warm them up. No problems.
Your PhD brother sure doesn't think like a scientist. >get propane stove>get CO detector>put them in the same room>test it while you have electricity
I use to cook with these daily in a van with the windows rolled down, for about six years almost daily.
>>2855249Some rural and suburban homes have propane stoves and central heating. They don't kill people. Blue flame good; orange flame bad (incomplete burning).
>>2855205Is he aware that people heat their entire house, heat their water, and have normal full size stoves that all run on a giant propane tank 20 yards from their house?If he is super paranoid just get pic related and keep it close while cooking and if it goes off then shut off the little stove.Problem solved.
