I am planning on going into the wilderness and never returning. Have any of you attempted something similar? I am not sure if I want a horse or a bike. I don't want to put a horse through summer mosquitos. God speed
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>>2856350>I am planning on going into the wilderness and never returningYeah fuck off underage retard. You won't last a month out there. Also lmao at thinking you'll support a horse as well.
>>2856355I lived in the wilderness for 2 months once at Kananaskis... Why is your heart filled with hatred? I just want to make a Grizzley Parka lined with Mink and Wolverine pelt an sell it for $15,000 or 4 ounces of gold........ ..........
>>2856355Horses support themselves Anon... They're grazers.......
>>2856358Lmao you're in for a big surprise
>>2856359You know that when you purchase a horse it is already trained? There aren't that many things that can make your horse sick. You jus can't overwork it and you need to give it enough time to rest and graze. You're a retard.
>>2856359Also I'll be packing a 350 FPS crossbow and 500 grain bolts that will clean pass a 8 foot grizzley at 10 feet
>>2856351what if the real survival protips are in Survivalist Encyclopedia Volume 3?
>>2856350You better get a guitar made of some composite material if you intend for it to last outside for more then a month man.
>no explanation of where you're going to do itI know literal retard vagabonds who have lived in the wild for months in places like Mount Shasta with nothing but the clothes on their back
>>2856396How the fuck did they do that?I'm thinking Western Hemlock area of the Pacifc NW Coast>>2856393It would be out of the elements>>2856391I haven't gotten that far yet
>>2856410Theres no way to remove it from the humidity high or low which is your biggest enemy in an acoustic guitar. your probably best to just get cheap BEAT guitars so that you can get a new one every 6 months or whenever the frets become unplayable the bridge starts cutting strings or just straight up untuneable for a variety of reasons.
>>2856427Thanks for the heads up. Any other tips?
>>2856438maybe watch a couple basic repair videos and have a couple small files with you etc so you could easily fix any "real" problems like the aforementioned bridge getting corroded and snapping strings etc. Truly i'd be interested to see how it goes cause who knows maybe it'll fair better then I think am I certainly paranoid about this sorta thing with acoustics.
>>2856440Yes I'm compiling information at the moment. I am going to start putting most of it to the test soon since it's cold outside. Like turning concrete with lime into mortar using riverbank sand, etc.
>>2856457The reason for doing this is for 3 reasons:1) lime is hard to get, may as well get concrete+lime and source sand2) stretches farther3) mortar is particularly useful for a rock structure, rock walls
>>2856350>going into the wilderness and never returningyeah you won't do shitwithout replenishing of modern suppliesyou may "survive" for a couple monthyou can't survive without work specialization long termself sufficient groups typically have ~20-50 members at minimumif you add modern tools and equipment you can cut that down by 1/10thbut going solo still is incredible roughmaybe start with going totally off grid for a month twice a yearthen you can increase from there>water purification kitwhat are you doing once this runs out?>repair kitswhat are you doing once this is used up?>disposable hygiene articleswhat are you doing once this is used up?>clothes but no material specifiedgenerally you want wool, thick linen, leather and furbut again, if you're solo, they will be impossible to fix because making / fixing clothing from scratch is a full time job>Tentyou ideally want to build your own sheltertents break with timeand it'll be impossible to repairbring a cast iron wood stove instead if you want to be stationarynot having to worry about how to heat (& smoke) makes a much bigger difference than a tentand it won't break in your life time
>>2857176>>2857177but why?a makeshift distiller is absolutely worth itand >70% alcohol is the only reliable disinfectant you can make "bush crafting"either make it yourself or bring itbut without, you WILL die from an simple infection
>>2857226Pretty obvious from your reply that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.>makeshift distiller is absolutely worth itNot worth it.>And >70% alcohol is the only reliable disinfectant you can make "bush crafting"Blatantly incorrect statement.>Either make it yourself or bring itbut without, you WILL die from an simple infectionRetard doesn't know what penicillin is. Doesn't know what disinfectant cleaner is.
>>2857225>Yeah you won't do shitI've already done shit>without replenishing of modern suppliesyou may "survive" for a couple monthESL brownoid detected.>You can't survive without work specialization long termYou never bothered reading wha was written.>Self sufficient groups typically have ~20-50 members at minimumCouldn't care less.>If you add modern tools and equipment you can cut that down by 1/10th, but going solo still is incredible roughI never said it would be easy>Maybe start with going totally off grid for a month twice a yearIve done it for 2 months already>Then you can increase from thereThats where I'm at now>water purification kit what are you doing once this runs out?Replace it>repair kits what are you doing once this is used up?Replace it>disposable hygiene articles what are you doing once this is used up?Replace them>clothes but no material specified generally you want wool, thick linen, leather and furI know>But again, if you're solo, they will be impossible to fix because making / fixing clothing from scratch is a full time jobLuckily a store is only about 10 days of a journey away.>Tent, you ideally want to build your own sheltertents break with time and it'll be impossible to repairTent is meant to last 30 days. I'm going to build a structure out of picrel.>Bring a cast iron wood stove instead if you want to be stationaryI'll be bringing a stove, but building other Kilns and stoves.>Not having to worry about how to heat (& smoke) makes a much bigger difference than a tentOf course>And it won't break in your life timeIt's also heavy as fuck
>>2857226>>2857241Some things got confused.You're confusing disinfectant for your skin with disinfectant surface cleaner. I'm not talking about disinfectant for infections. I'm talking about disinfectant surface cleaner
>>2857216>>2857242>>2857225
>>2857226I think you were subtly trying to tell me I forgot to put penicillin and wound disinfectant on my list lol
>>2857242>Replace it>Luckily a store is only about 10 days of a journey away.i mean, might be truebut how you worded it I thought you never want to return to civilization againif you intent to buy supplies like once a yearyour "quest" is a lot more feasible>It's also heavy as fuckyeah but that doesn't matter as much if you intent to stay on the same land as the benefit is far to bigI have a patch of forest myself and build a small hut there (only for weekends / vacation though), took me like 2 whole days to get a cast iron stove in installed, but absolutely worth it in the long run>>2857243>>2857246no, I actually just skipped the "surface" part before disinfectant kek>I forgot to put penicillin and wound disinfectant on my listthat's correct thoughthe antibiotics I typically have stocked / carry (central Europe)>Doxycycline - lyme, RMSF, leptospirosis>Azithromycin - diarrhea, pneumonia / respiratory stuff>Augmentin - animal bites or deep infected wounds>Mupirocin topical - surface infections
>>2857247Thing is that I worded it badly. I will see few people, just avoiding large populations in general. I will still see certain people, but avoiding society. If that makes sense.Do you really think a makeshift distillery is worth it? I was thinking about it
>>2857247>Doxycycline - lyme, RMSF, leptospirosis>Azithromycin - diarrhea, pneumonia / respiratory stuff>Augmentin - animal bites or deep infected wounds>Mupirocin topical - surface infectionsThanks so much. This is information I haven't thought too much about. Mainly because I never get sick, but I need to look into medicines. I have been researching all-natural salvesExample: Eco-Autarkical Antibacterial SalveThe following ecologically autarkical closed-loop system produces an all-natural antibacterial salve from plant and bee materials (through the processes of infusion, melting, and emulsification) resulting in:1 versatile staple byproduct (plant marc residue)1 versatile staple product (beeswax base)2 semi-useful products (herbal oil, antibacterial salve)The reason for the effectiveness of the antibacterial salve is due to the antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory compounds in plants such as calendula, plantain, and yarrow, combined with the natural preservative and barrier properties of beeswax. As the material goes through the stages of production, the concentration of active botanicals increases through infusion and straining, enhancing wound-healing and infection-fighting properties. Higher herb-to-oil ratios and longer infusion times create a more potent salve.
>>2857256>>2857247Stage 1: Collection - Gather fresh or dried medicinal herbs such as calendula flowers, plantain leaves, yarrow, comfrey, or lavender from your permaculture garden or wild foraging areas. Collect beeswax from your beehives or rendered honeycomb scraps, and carrier oil (e.g., olive oil pressed from your olives, sunflower oil from seeds, or tallow from animal fat if no plant oil is available).Stage 2: Infusion - Chop or tear the herbs and submerge them in carrier oil in a wide-mouth jar. Place in a warm, sunny spot or gently heat in a double boiler (solar or low wood fire) for 2–4 weeks, shaking daily to extract the active compounds.Semi-Useful Product: herbal oil (for direct skin application, massage, or further processing)Stage 3: Straining - Strain the infused oil through fine cloth or mesh, pressing firmly to extract maximum liquid. The leftover solid herb material is fiber-rich.Versatile Staple Byproduct: plant marc residue (dried herb remnants for mulch, compost activator, animal fodder, or weak tea)Stage 4: Wax Processing - Melt beeswax from honeycomb in a double boiler (using solar or low-heat wood fire). Filter out any debris.Versatile Staple Product: beeswax base (plain or infused for candles, balms, polishes, or as a binder)Stage 5: Emulsification - In the double boiler, slowly melt beeswax, then stir in the herbal oil (typical ratio 1 part beeswax to 3–4 parts oil for a firm but spreadable salve). Add optional essential oils (distilled from lavender or tea tree from your garden) for extra antimicrobial strength. Pour into small containers (e.g., tins or bark vessels) and allow to cool and solidify.Semi-Useful Product: antibacterial salve (for cuts, burns, insect bites, rashes, or minor infections)Stage 6: Optional Potency Boost - For a stronger salve, re-infuse the strained oil with fresh herbs for a double extraction before emulsifying. Test texture by cooling a small drop: firm but spreadable = ideal.
>>2857251>Do you really think a makeshift distillery is worth it? I was thinking about itreally dependsif you want to go off grid long term and not rely on buying alcohol, then yesotherwise not so sureit's funbut you also need (semi) specialized equipment or accessible weldingonce you have it setup it'll be good for basically forever, but without a cabin set up I would just skip it for nowa pure bushcrafting setup is really, really difficultso you have to source it externally>I will see few people, just avoiding large populations in general. I will still see certain people, but avoiding societythat actually sounds like a pretty cool planif i didn't like my job, I'd probably plan something like this as well
>>2857256>>2857257>Mainly because I never get sick, but I need to look into medicinesyou should still prepare for sudden, severe infectionthe difference between feeling fine and not being able to move much might just be half a day>Antibacterial Salveyou recipe sounds fineexcept it'll be only mildly antibacterial (depending on the plants used) and>fresh herbs>low heat solar infusionrisks botulism growthyou absolutely need to wilt the plants before using them like thisalso there's a big difference between>bactericidal>instantly kill bacteria on contactwhich is disinfectant like >70% alcohol>bacteriostatic>inhibit bacterial growthlike herbal salvesworst caseif you apply your salve on a fresh wound you trap bacteria plus create the perfect moist & warm environment for them to quickly grow
>>2857264>you absolutely need to wilt the plants before using them like thisBrilliant. Yes, the salves is still a research in progress. I will definitely dry them out.>worst case[if you apply your salve on a fresh wound you trap bacteria plus create the perfect moist & warm environment for them to quickly growAbsolutely. A wound would certainly need to be cleaned before salve is applied. In regards to this it appears I have put the cart before the horse. I'm now wondering if I could distill hard cider (roughly 6-8% ethanol) to concentrate the ethanol and if that could be used to create Wound Disinfectant. Simply because foraging high sugar plant material and fermenting it is easier than growing potatoes. I will research this specifically tonight. At least you're smart about this which is like a breath of fresh air.
>>2857264>>2857275Surface level research this far ha shown that you can indeed distill hard cider to get 70% ABV ethanol. This is like the 10th different product that has pushed me towards distillation. It appears autonomy requires it
>>2857276>this far ha Thus far has*
pretty badass if this is real and you’re not some candle-less retardjust get a rifle instead of a crossbow, it’s not the 1400’s any more.
>>2857301I'm... Canadian. Seems a 350 FPS crossbow with 400-500 grain bolts will be as good as it gets for a while. At least crossbows are quiet so you're more easily undetected than with a gun, but i would certainly prefer a gun.
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>>2856350What real life skills can you bring into the bush? Like applicable manual labour stuff, not tech stuff. Since there's going to be no electricity.DON'T LIE, NOW. You're on the web. You don't need to lie to strangers.
>>2857416Im strong as an ox and smart. I can build anything from scratch, a house from foundation to roof, etc. I'm also a crackshot and I can field dress anything. I can make anything from scratch from clothing to structures. Also i am trained in unarmed hand to hand combat. Officially.
>>2857430Does your dad also work for Nintendo and you drive a Mercedes? Get outta here you mudda fucker.
>>2857430While those are admirable skills and very handy they'll only get you so far. You need more survival secondary skills. Do you have methods of food preservation, water purification? Do you have knowledge of your local flora and if you can consume it or not? What's your plans for a food shortage in the deep winter? Can you plant a garden? Also you said you never plan to return to civilization, but your supplies will run out Are you contradicting yourself and are going back to resupply? If so, how? With what money?There are too many factors here at play. You may survive months. But years? That's going to be really tough without someone else with another skill set or deep pockets.
>>2856350>>2856351If you're never to return why bother with the hygiene shit?
>>2857275>Absolutely. A wound would certainly need to be cleaned before salve is applied.It really sounds like you need more experience before doing this...
>>2856350Well safety first on your journey bro that includes you. Your kit will be made efficient over time. Go with the bike as it isn't living and won't suffer through this chaos you're inviting.Be ready for local authorities to totally understand and be cool but ultimately not accept a fool on a misguided adventure.
>>2857443Everyone I ever loved, including my Father, is dead. He didnt work at Nintendo in fact he was illiterate.>>2857447>While those are admirable skills and very handy they'll only get you so far. You need more survival secondary skills. Thats why I'm writing a Survivalist Encyclopedia and developing an Ecological Autarky Web comprised of various eco-autarky closed loop systems. The whole point is to learn as much as possible right now. Next step is to apply the information in the field where my life isnt dependant on something i havent done yet.>Do you have methods of food preservation?Salting, smoking, pickling.>Water purification? Boiling and fiiltration mostly. Water purification kit is mostly for emergencies. >Do you have knowledge of your local flora and if you can consume it or not?Absolutely. What's your plans for a food shortage in the deep winter?I dont think I could have a food shortage where Im going>can you plant a garden? I was thinking foraging would probably prove more effective than gardening. Funny enough, I switched the location I was planning on going to because, if I had to, I wouldnt be able to grow much crops (soil is poor, high elevation, etc).>so you said you never plan to return to civilization, but your supplies will run out Are you contradicting yourself and are going back to resupply? so, how? With what money?Only returning to see few people that I cam pay to resupply me. I hope to last from May until January or so next time and I'd like to hope I could sell pr trade sinew or pelts... What I meant was Id be avoiding society like towns and cities.>there are too many factors here at play. You may survive months. But years? That's going to be really tough without someone else with another skill set or deep pockets.Understandable. Id love to find some likeminded people but everyone is a pussy or drug addict or dead or not White (bush liability)>>2857460I dont want to develop disease or sickness. I could restock 1/?
>>2857460I want to avoid towns and cities. Id like to think i could survive and replace certain things like toothpaste once a year or 2 years>>2857462Absolutely. Thats why my next step is a run from May to winter. At least to winter. Ive learned that area is probably the most important factor in all this. Some places are simply milder and/or more abundant than others. >>2857466Yeah, it will have to be a bike. Id like tp reach autonomy before bringing horses into the fold. I decided that. I want to avoid authorities at all costs.
>>2856351>earn Pure Gold by selling Dried Sinew & by turning hunted animals first into Hides and/or Pelts, then creating luxury clothingBait used to be believable.
>>2856361do you have any idea how much a horse needs to eat a day?
>>2857476Why is that unrealistic? Dried sinew goes for mjnimum $20/oz and a grizzley parka lined with mink pelt with a wolverine pelt hood interior, stuff with waterfowl down, can fetch 2.5 ounces of gold at $4000/ounceNot kidding. Im fucking serious about this shit. 24k gold can purchase anything, trade for horses, guns, batteries/solar/engine
>>2857242>I've already done shitpics or didnt happen
>>2857477Depends on the breed and workload. You cant overwork them and need to allow them to graze. Ive looked into everything.
>>2857479I lived in the woods at kananaskis for 2 months straight already. Thats how I came up with this eco-autarky shit.
I just seen some retard on /diy/ attempt to skin roadkill raccoon. He didnt even use a fleshing board or a fleshing knife, yet alone soaking. Left huge chunks of meat (that absolutely will rot) on the skin. Then you got other retards that think you put gravel in between the logs of a log cabin to fill the gaps in the walls. I have never been more assured that I will make it. I know that I wont die of starvation or exposure. I know I have what it takes to survive. Thanks everyone for kind words, responses and genuine questions.
>>2857488Post some pics of things you have done
>>2857490I dont have any. I dont even own the device I'm using to post on. I dont feel the need to record evidence for authorities. I burned my ID including my drivers license. Im done with people .Right now im preparing for Feb-May which will be a time of testing, writing and working out. May to December or January will be a dry run and if its successful then Im fully investing into living autonomously. My biggesf hurdle doesnt appear to be SURVIVING but EVADING AUTHORITIESI can alleviate some of that by paying 500 a year in various fees like hunting, fishing, etc.
>>2857492>I dont have anyYeah I figured. You are clearly a schizo larp or clever troll. Both your threads show this. Best of luck, mentally ill man
>>2857494If you ever have anything than attempts at personal insults to share, go ahead and share it.
>>2857495If you ever have anything than attempts at larping to share, go ahead and share it.Be like cabin anon. Even if you’re an idiot, you can still prove your pov. You’ve done nothing but stupid posts in multiple threads. Show us something you are proud of, or anything that backs up your “encyclopedia” knowledge.
>>2857473>Next step is to apply the information in the field where my life isnt dependant on something i havent done yet.>I've already done shit>Ive done it for 2 months already>>2856410>how the fuck did they do that?By going out and doing it instead of trying to learn everything online firstseriously though berries and crawfish you fucking retard, I hope you do this and I hope you document it for us even though you're afraid of getting in trouble for some retarded reasonpicture related, every extra line passed while climbing on this bridge is another hundred dollars on the fine
>>2857473>I dont think I could have a food shortage where I'm goingMany foragers though much the same and perished. There's a reason we switched to ag and not purely hunting/foraging. Other than that, I believe in you OP. If you're serious about this then good luck with your new life. I hope you make it. 99% of us wouldn't.(Me included. Too broken from factory work and getting older.)
>>2857500>fined for using a bridgeFucking explain. What hellhole do you live in that would do that? Is it private property? Government property?
>>2857505Where do you live that you're allowed to climb up onto tall public property without getting fined/in trouble?
>>2857506you can't use """public""" property that you paid for via taxes?
>>2857507Oh I see, you're not pretending to be retarded you're actually retarded
>>2857506In the free world, USA. Oh, you meant actually climb it. Like vertically. Well I guess if I lived where you live, I wouldn't? I'd just use the bridge as normal. But what does this have to to with OP trying to survive in the wild?
>>2857511Op claimed he doesn't have any pictures of anything he's ever done, not even a sunset picture, he just went out and lived like a hermit for 2 months and created nothing in that time while simultaneously having nothing to show for it, and his excuse was that 'uh Im not going to document myself breaking the law!' The picture was clearly showing the OP that his excuses were weak and retardedAnyway, why wouldn't you climb up the bridge and get a better view of the sunset in the valley? How are you this retarded that you can't make the connection of doing something (illegal) just because is similar to the op wanting to go live out in the wilderness like a hermit
>>2857512>calling me retarded.>in the same breath saying I shouldn't for fear of a fine?M8. You may be the retard here. I already told you I wouldn't if I lived in an area that does it, which is where you live. Your argument has nothing to do with this topic, even if you think it does.
>>2857512>calling someone retarded because they WONT break the lawanon are you actually retarded or wat? lmao. got a window licker over here.
>>2857514>>2857513>no Faustian spiritsay more about yourself, lmao
>>2857514>>2857513>uhhh hello yes I'm trying to do something that will be breaking a ton of laws (bikepacking/ hunting trip)>omg I would never do something that might get me in trouble tho...
>>2857497You're merely too retarded to comprehend what I've written, otherwise you would be able to understand that I've demonstrated that I know enough to survive. Youre just an asshole that deserves a kick in the teeth. Shoo, fly!>>2857500I said 4 times now that ive done it. "Go outside and do it" doesnt explain how someone survivzs -25 with only a shirt. You cant explain your claims because youre a disingenuous, jealous piece of shit. Leage my thread, brown nigger
>>2857504Yeah, its going to be tough for sure. It might be worth investing in something that can capture footage and uses minimum power. Any recommendations?>>2857511OP here, I live in Canada. Dude youre responding to is a disingenuous troll. >>2857512I created a lot of stuff in those 2 months. Didnt realize I needed to prove anything to /in/cels like you, though. >>2857513He is retarded, likely a nigger.
>>2857516>>2857517Sorry anon, but you're just to mentally deficient to have civil conversation with. If you want to run in circles about breaking laws while being afraid of them, by all means keep going.
>>2857517>breaking laws>backpacking and hunting(???)Anon... These aren't illegal in most countries. You may be brown and stupid. VERY stupid.>>2857521He's assmad about climbing bridges and other such nonsense. Dunno what he's on about. You're probably right. Most likely just some shitty troll.
>>2857521>>2857519Dumb fag doesn't realize how everyone understands he's a dumb fag, literally too stupid to understand how anyone could see how stupid he isImpressive really, the cherry on top is all your retarded posts across the board and your shitty document you keep posting as if it contains a single bit of wisdom you didn't clean on YouTube >>2857530Retarded samefag, living out in nature is illegal in all first world countries. In fact, the only place it isn't is third world shitholes.
>>2857532So sorry for your mentall illness anon. Hope you recover soon.
Uh oh he’s having a melty.
>hello yes I'd like to live /out/ on public property legally>doing things like not building a permanent structure, never hunting anything (because to hunt something legally requires a tag which requires an address), move every 14 days at least 20 miles as the bird flies, etc etcLmao samefag pretending he's not terminally online
>>2857532this dude is absolutely booty blasted lmao.
>>2857534>>2857535>accuses randos of samefagging.>does it himself both here and >>2857516>>2857517your brain is so fucked lmao. get rekt retard.
>>2857536Keep samefagging lmao this is why you were banned retard, not for your stupid fucking takesShow me your country where it isn't illegal to permanently live on public land
>>2857538lmaaaooo you are so mad holy shit. same fag derangement to boot.
>uhh I'm not going to break any laws as I do this>4th bullet point in his encyclopedia is how to avoid rangers and break the lawUnderage who has never been /out/ in the US
>>2857538So so very sorry for your mentall illness, anon. Hope you recover soon. I think it's terminal though. We may have to unplug you.
>>2857538Lad, the only samefag here is you. You keep double replying to every reply in hopes of baiting anons.Find a better hobby, fag.
>>2857539>Acts retarded>Doubles down on being retarded>Uhh why are you calling me retarded?? Are you mad or something?? Lol!!Lmao you don't have a single /out/ picture to back up a single of your claims
>>2857543loooool stay mad retard.
>>2857542What's your hobby? Avoiding proving the anons wrong by being retarded? You could easily prove us wrong but you won't because you can't lel, you're an actual newfag zoom zoom
>>2857544>Uh no I'm right you're wrong lalalalalalaLmao the self own in this thread, please adopt a trip so we can see how retarded your takes are( you won't because then you won't be able to samefag so much)
>>2857521If you're going into the bush permanently, you might want to forget about electronics. If they get damp or wet once, it's game over.If you really want to record though, I suggest a cheap Minolta Camcorder from amazon, maybe with a couple batteries and memory cards.You don't want drop hundreds of buckarinos on something only for it to be ruined at first major rainfall. Well actually depending where you live, you may not get much humidity. I dont know.
>>2857546Lmao this retard is still popping off. go get em lil' buddy.
*posts Spotify playlist for no reason
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Just a heads up: there is an obsessant fed/janny ITT>>2857549Humidity will be high. Im likely going to go to the Coastal Pacific Northwest
>>2857552That isnt me. I only have a spotify and youtube account
>>2857557PNW? Damn, beautiful land up there. But yea high humidity and lots of rain. Your gear will be soaked a lot of the time. Just be prepared for that if you don't build some sort of semi-permanent structure.So for the elctrical equipment, you can actually buy waterproof boxes and such in the camping section of any Walmart. There's likely waterproof bags and such for other equipment as well. That's where I'd start.
>>2857558>>2857557>>2857560quit samefagging the board
>>2857561Luigi speed junkie. I won. Youre utterly seething and self destructing before our very eyes, just as im about to win once and for all.>>2857560Yeah. It seems to have the best of a lot of factors. Seashells everywhere. I will have to have waterproof bags and wrap stuff in tarp. Ill hopefully touch base during a drier period.
>>2857563If you do end up recording anything, I hope you'll show up everynow and then with your progress. Would be real neat to see.