#538- “Effective Fishing” EditionPrevious Thread:>>2870166janny pls…Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!http://www.pastebin.com/u/fishingandtacklehttps://imgur.com/a/1Xw3NNew Bong Fishin Guidehttps://pastebin.com/sDB5SQTq
the government should give every citizen a free boatshore fishing sucks, i'm tired of never being able to find a spot that isn't surrounded by gay ass cattails that eat all my lures
the trout beckons
the trout of the futurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YebcQtwvL0A
what size and color kastmaster do you guys like to use for trouts
>>2872195agreed.I'm thinking of buying the AE angler since I don't have space for a hardshellfeel like I'm getting cucked though since a hard shell that's half the price will be far superior
>>2872209If you're on a river this is all you need. $4.50 from Walmart rn. Can use it to stand up on lakes too if you have good balance.
>>2872194ofc "effective fishing" is banned here
>>2872195old aluminum canoes can be had for like $300 or some used marketplace kayak or new pelican. that's cheaper than a few tanks of gas right now.
>>2872195Just buy a couple cheap kayaks and make a pantoon boat with it
Is hand reel fishing a meme? Convince me not to get into yet another hobby please.
New fisherman here. Is this a great place to fly fish?
can't wait for this thing to get here
>no thread title in OP pictraditions gentlemen
>>2872230have you spotted trouts in the water?if yes you could fly fish here, current look fast but not undoable
>>2872236Where the hell does one do fly fishing? Never caught anything ever with fly fishing rod. On the other hand, standard line with worms reels in fish every 5 minutes. Am I retarded?
>>2872230You can fly fish anywhere for any species. It doesn't need to be trout. Looks a lot like my home water. I'm just about to head out.
>>2872241OPsperg is at it again. He doesn't like sexy women, so he jumps the gun and makes threads early and is to lazy/autistic to do it right.
Anyone have experience with buying from usfishworld dot com ? I found a pole on there for a VERY good price and it seems almost too good to be true
Catch and Release>>>Murder and Animal cruelty Always remember to respect nature
havent gone fishing in 3 yearsi used to be the guy who demanded everyone hit the streams as soon as the snows melt and every single weekend even if there was nothing to be hadlast week my old friend called me and told me he got this new girlfriend and because i have 40 years worth of gear and exprerience he wanted to loan my stuff to look cool to herhopefully he gets a sloppy tent blowjob
>>2872265that's iti'll early post next OP and it'll be even more daring
>>2872271if you catch a fish with a hook you might as well be murdering it anyway
>>2872275A slight poke in the mouth ≠ bashing their skull in and tearing their flesh apart
>>2872271Yeah sure if it's undersized or has eggs or whatever.But otherwise the whole farcken point is you keep the fish and thenGaspYou eat the fish too
>>2872276Depending how you've handled it and where you've hooked it. Even under perfect conditions, some species of fish don't have the highest chance of survival post release.
>>2872269seems like a scam site considering they sell shit like usb cables and candles also kek>>2872271all fishing is animal cruelty. that's why I quit for like 20 years. I picked it back up only because it's such a good outdoors hobby, but I fish with more consideration about the tackle and methods I use now.
damn i didn't realize that we had that much hippies in here
>>2872291Seriously. Bloodlust is like a solid half of what keeps me fishing. I get antsy after a few weeks of not bonking something. Catch and release only is crazy gay
>>2872271Fishing with just the intent of just catch and release is the most cruel thing you can do while fishing. You are just doing it for fun as a sport which is cruel to the fish and disrespectful to nature.
>>2872265I didn't post early. The last thread was past the bump limit. Are you actually retarded?
>>2872303The last thread was still on the first page. Yes, you made the new thread early you autistic faggot.
>>2872306>first page.Do you not understand what a bump limit is? Are you so much of a faggot that you do not use the catalog?I'm going to keep making threads to trigger retards like you.
>>2872303>>2872308It doesn't matter if the bump limit is hit and you don't need to use the catalogue if it's STILL ON THE FIRST PAGE!! You fucking autistic brainlet.
Check this guy out. He's going to be breakfast. I think he's wild. Look at those fins. And he's thicc too.
>>2872311
>>2872301Exactly this. It's like hunting just for the fun of it and not actually skinning/gutting/harvesting your game.
>>2872311>>2872313Muties like that are usually hatchery fish, the thing to check is the adipose fin (to see if it was clipped or not), but where it would be on Stumpy there is covered by a blade of grass in your photo. If it’s clipped, it’s always a hatchery fish, if it isn’t, it is either wild or was stocked as a fingerling instead of when it was grown out a little larger.
>>2872194where's the big titty fishing girl picture????
>>2872340skid's boyfriend hijacking the thread againbut i got you covered brother
>>2872344thnx bro, i love fishing.
the people chastizing catch and release are the same ones you see filling up a bucket with undersized catches and using live bait. I guarantee you a fish would rather me catch and unhook it than end up in your bucket. who in their right mind would eat most freshwater fish anyways, the fucking coast has septic flowing into it, let along the lake with houses lining it's shore. there is a reason these kinds of people have an average life expectancy of 55.
>>2872346I don't cook much, so I kind of burnt the skin side. This is that one rainbow I posted last night. I kind of wish I kept another one. I rarely keep my fish because I hate to carry them around, but this was a twilight bank mini expedition. Good fun.
what do game wardens do besides check the fishing livenses of middle-class law-abiding citizens? the same feral people litter the shore every single day and the warden can never catch them? speaking of littering scum, what posesses someone to literally unspool their reel and throw 100+yards of line on the bank? how low of an IQ must you have to do that? especially when a trashcan is like 50 feet away. I really believe people like that should just be shot. imagine what else these people do everywhere else. they must be operation with brain frequencies lower than a squirrel that runs under tires. they are the entire reason most old fishing spots get closed down.
>>2872348I replied to your last post as well. This is something that frustrates me, especially when I encounter these retards. I work in a sporting goods store. There are people who buy 80 lb line, get hung up, and cut their line. This one guy came in 3 times in one day to buy shit. I told him gently and politely that there are better options than 80 lb and cutting line. He wouldn't listen, and then, my boss tells me, "We're not the fish police. Don't say a thing."
>>2872350there are people who think you need a steel leader for catfish. I got some thick mono mainline with a catfish rig and steel leader stuck in my trolling motor prop before. I'va also almost got drowned by braid before that was wrapped up in some logs when I was wading waist deep. luckily I had my knife on me. it seems most people don't understand that your knot should be the weakest link in your setup, so that you can get all your line back when you snag. hell, if I was using heavy ass line like these retards I could just bend out/break hooks or pull up the whole log if I get snagged. I've brought up tree branches from the bottom on 8lb line.
>>2872346my great grandfather fished almost everyday to put food on the table because he was poor and he live to the ripe age of 98anything from carp to trout
>>2872352things were different back then. our great grandparents live into 90s, still walking till the last day, all with exposure to lead and asbestos. the shit we ingest now is far worse, and we don't even really know what it all is.
>>2872355actually we do, it's also lead (tho a specific oxyde mostly, and a lot less), PFAs (most of them are inert), and microplasticsit's still shitty but certainly not as shitty as the amount of lead and asbestos they hadalso most of the world outside of the US have a lot less chemicals in food as it used to
>>2872356nah. there is clearly some kind of unknown shit we are ingesting. colorectal cancer is extremely high. granted it's mostly people who lots of deep fried slop.
>>2872358yeah this is a thing mostly in the US and everyone know it's your processed food the problem
you literally cannot get skunked if the body of water that you're fishing has white perch. they are the most bloodlusted little fish there is.
>>2872351I’ve snagged into 60+lb braid with my UL setup, reeled in the line I snagged, and then handlined in the heavy braid to find their lure stuck in plain old millfoil, not even lily pads. Some people are just cretinous retards.
have vacation so enjoying free days this weekhad around 5.8kgbiggest one on this lake yet
>>2872371also bought a 2nd proper carp rod finally, both are the same now
>>2872361Colon cancer is most pronounced in Japan, so it's definitely not an American thing.
>>2872371holy crap. what kinda fish is that?
>>2872387looks like a carp
>>2872209>>2872225>>2872226>canoes, kayaksnah anons I mean a real boat with a motor, not that shit where you have to paddle and carefully maintain your balance so you don't capsize
>>2872346Must be their brain damage making them retarded. One too many run ins with a concussion.
>>2872372KEK, I thought the thumbnail was an image of a drone!
Do you guys ever get kinda sad for the fish? I caught a small one last weekend, and the hook pierced one side of his mouth and then the other side of his cheek. It took a long time to remove and set him free. I then crushed the barbs, but I just watched a fishing video where a hook caught the fish in the eye, and he reeled him in by the eye socket. The last fish I caught ate the whole lure outright and was caught in the back of the throat. I did eventually get the lure out without ripping him up, but when I threw the fish back into the water, he just floated like he was dead for a long time. He eventually started moving again. I am just doing this for fun, but it must be exceptionally traumatic for the fish. Does this not make you sad as a fisherman? How can you learn to enjoy hurting an animal?
>>2872398Yeah I do, that's why I release or cull as quick as I can (you will get better at this as you go). In regards to guthooking just cut the line if it is too deep. Studies have shown they will spit it most of the time if it's not a stainless steel hook. I have also caught quite a few fish with one eye and a couple of catfish with none so it's not the end of the world if that happens.
>>2872387european carp
>>2872280Is this true?
>>2872390there are plenty of kayaks that are not tippy. I know 70-year-olds that kayak and never fell out once. you can also add a trolling motor if you don't want to paddle.>>2872398you can eliminate the possibility of all of these scenarios by choosing the ight tackle. you learn to do it after the mentioned mistakes a couple of times. eye hooking is almost always from too big a hook, or the second treble on a lure. you can switch to single hooks on a lure, or do what I often do(which also eliminates smaller fish getting multiple treble points in their mouth and sewing their mouth shut) which is clip one hookpoint off of each treble, making it a double hook instead. the two remaining hookpoints then point in a similar direction so it's easy to unhook. as for swallowing hooks, that's due to slack line. you can choose to only fish with taught line, via rigs like a dropshot. no more swallowed hooks. also, carry the right tools with you.
How do I fish a Lindy/dropshot rig? Am I supposed to just let them sink and hold still on bottom, waiting for something to take the bait, or should I be taking in line slowly and then letting it fall?
>>2872423for dropshot you just let the weight stay on the bottom stationary while you jig the bait lightly. you can drag it to change position but you're goal is to work the bait like vertical jigging. subtle works best though, with pauses. just remember that the further out you're casting, the higher you want the hook tied above the weight to keep it off of the bottom. and whilst nose rigging the soft plastic is probably one of the most common methods, I persoanlly prefer rigging the entire shank like you would a jighead. it just forces them to take more of the bait when doing investigative strikes, instead of just nipping at a worm tail for example and missing the hook entirely. depends on the bait you're using though. it also helps to keep the profile upright with things like minnow plastics..
oh and when you pause, always keep the line taught. if you're using sharp light wire hooks, it is basically a guaranteed hookset just from the taught line alone.
What's the biggest fish you've ever caught? Don't lie.
>>2872428damn, i wish i had hot sluts to go fishing withpike 1.10m (about 43.3in) i've been trying to beat my personal record for more than 20 years now
>>2872428a large lingcod
>>2872200goldsilver w blue linesilver w pink linefiretigerpink w neon grn also the gold ones in 1oz dropped down on gravel bottom just flipped side to side bangs smallies.
>>2872348Birdshot to the balls for em.
>>287242852 lb yellowtailFirst and only yellowtail I got last year from the kayak
>>2872398Sometimes yes, but they also impress me a lot. I often catch bullheads with 1 or both eyes missing, same deal with the side fins. The fact they're still kicking enough for me to catch them again even after that, nice. I used to respect what I thought were "battle wounds" and some of them very well might be, apparently most of them are wounds from fuckin'. which is also based but not as cool as the gladiator fights i imaginedIt's weird, fish are both delicate but also fairly hardy depending on their individual strengths. Seen bluegills/bass of huge size that have their upper jaws + face ripped off from an aggresive hook-set, also seen fish just get ruined from barotrauma or swallowing a hook literally a fraction of an inch more than ideal. All the pike that have died from full swallowing my spoons, I am sorry. I did not want all of you.I feel worst for my live bait (only minnows desu) in that I hook them in way worse places than the mouth and that proportionally I'm fucking up way more tissue than the fish I want to catch with them. I let minnows go if they spend a long time on the hook with no catch + aren't in obvious death mode. they served their tour of duty.pic is of a dead sucker I found by my dock this morning. wound is consistent with a prop hit, very well might have been me using the electric motor but I also might just be pretending this one hiccup in the motor was me hitting him after finding him this morn
>>2872458>I let minnows go Don't do this unless you trapped them yourself from the same body of water. Otherwise you risk spreading invasive species and/or diseases.
>>2872459>>2872459same body of water if not same watershed at least in the case where I get bait from a family member a few lakes down the way. actually thought about specifying in the first post to avoid where we're at rn. otherwise i do be retaining all bait and also washing the bottom of my boat like a motherfucker whenever I bring boat places.used to spend a lot of time at a "yacht club" (90% sailboats, 10% powerboats, 100% old people except me a child of an old person) on lake huron and fucking zebra mussels + round gobies made me wanna not do invasive species any favorsI don't like not posting fish so heres a bullhed
>>2872423Lindy rigs are meant to be trolled.>>2872428Freshwater? 52 inch muskie. Saltwater? 42 inch wingspan cownose ray.
Yeah we dink posting.These little faggots spent all morning eating my worms.
>>2872459Literal non issue if you're not retarded. The invasive species hysteria is so overblown.>OMG noooo those shiners you're using as bait didn't come from that exact body of water even though the species is already in there noooooooo!!!!
>>287242843 inch red fish. Was awesome.
>>2872496well if we dinkposting, we be dinkposting. and ya rockbass r wild fuckers i swear i caught the same one 4 times yesterday. I've occasionally gotten one worth keeping, as tasty as any other sunfish type fish.
Can a tenkarabro help me out real quick, im that hikerfag from the prev thread that ordered the 9ft aventik im12 nano tenkara rod. Still waiting for the rod to be delivered which will be in a couple days, in the meantime ive just been watching videos of tenkara basics and setting up the lines etc. I got a question for all you tenkara bros, which is what's a good kind of dacron to use? Or should i even use a dacron at all? I dont even understand the point of it and to me it just seems like some extra crap to deal with. Can i just tie the level line to the lillian of the rod tip, or is the dacron necessary for the lillian to function or something?I dont see much people explain/discuss the dacron in tenkara videos and it seems odd to me that its typically included in a tenkara kit, which is why im wondering if its necessary in the first place
>>2872515Seems odd that its typically NOT* included in the tenkara kits, is what i meant
>>2872515If you're making your own leaders, just tie a loop on the end that attaches to the lillian. Tie a knot in the very tip of the lillian. Pull a little of the leader through the loop you tied to make another loop. Put that loop over the lillian and putt iy tight to the knot in the lillian.
>>2872517>>2872515
>>2872515This anon >>2872518 is right about what knot to tie you want to tie a girth hitch. There's a video out there too. Anon, those pictures look dingey, sad, and pathetic.Dacron is unnecessary. I have an unlimited supply of dacron, but I prefer going without it. It's so limp that it snaps my rod when casting. It just doesn't feel nice. For me, there's no reason to do extra when it is detrimental to the experience.
>>2872428i've been watching this for like 30 minutes, does she ever reel it in?
>>2872517So the loop at the end is called a leader and this is basically in place of what would traditionally be the dacron? Thx for the visual btw>>2872524Just to be clear it should go, lillian>level line>tippet ring>tippet>fly. Correct?Why do people use dacron to begin with? Is it just to try and be all traditional
Never fished ultralight before and decided to try it for the first time on a pond I've fished for years. Usually catch dink bass and have bluegills nibble on my lures in the past. First catch is a decent crappie, I had no idea crappie were even in this pond. Second catch was a 4-5lbs bass, best out of this pond by far. All on 2lbs mono and a 1/32oz jig. Crazy long fight, bass had a 4/0 ewg stuck in his mouth with about 12 inches of line. Felt good to rid him of that. What an experience, I think I'm convinced.
>>2872529NTA... You don't need the tippet ring. I only tie in tie one in if I'm nymphing. But yes, that's correct.
>>2872529>So the loop at the end is called a leaderI call the entire line on a tenkara setup, level line and tippet, a leader. Because it's basically a fly leader without the taper. I've never used dacron other than as backing for my line in a reel. I'm not sure why it would be used in a tenkara setup. Maybe furled leaders? I never use those, so I'm not familiar with their construction.
>>2872529Dacron is limp. It's a fad, a gimmick. Some people think it casts better. I don't.I like tippet rings for everything, they make life simple.
Live worms seem to work less well when it's hot, am I just imagining shit?
>>2872529>Why do people use dacron to begin with?decently cheap, very resilient, doesn't stretch and act like a cushion>>2872576probably just fish being less aggressive when it get hot
>>2872428230 yft 280 bft82 wahoo168 halibut
1 FISH A DAY CHALLENGE OnE FIRSH PER DAY
>>2872585https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7ion4jHFIodon't waste a wish, just go out there for the sake of going out there
>Fish pulling line>Adjust drag one click and it breaks offI hate fishing.
>>2872605are you sure it broke off and didn't cut off? if so i bet on knot failure
>>2872605Skill issueFor real though it sucks when that happens
>>2872428Stocked on right ~120lb , wild on left ~80lb
>>2872675I mean vice versa
>>2872675what kind of catfish is that? its fucking ugly af...
>>2872617Yeah, I know the water there, it didn't make it to any structure and it wasn't rubbing my line against the bridge yet.>>2872624>Skill issueI know. I was not prepared for anything over 5lbs desu.
>>2872681Mekong giant catfish. It's a filter feeding asian catfish. Shark is a soupfin
>>2872703>>2872605I don't like losing fish so I went back and caught it.>Same spot>Same time of day>Same pullIt was just a huge carp. Really hoped it was a catfish.This is my largest carp though, also the largest fish I've caught since I moved here. Well over 30lbs but I couldn't find my scale so who knows.
>>2872713Carp are neat though.
>>2872713>>2872715Congrats anon thats a solid fishDid you get your hook back from before?
Snagged this little guy by the gill.Sauger :-)
>>2872716Naw, honestly I might have snagged it before it had a chewed up tail. Was going for pikeminnow so using small hooks though, so who knows.
>>2872271You ever look a fish in the eye before dispatching it?Heavy stuff
>>2872605Don't fuck with the drag unless it's absolutely necessarily. Set if to a level you are comfortable with and stick to it. Don't crank it up unless absolutely necessarily, such as the fish about to run into rock or a bridge or something. Understand that when the fish take off line and your spool getting shallower, your true drag actually ramps up slowly and gradually. Also, spinning reel and star drag convemtional/baitcast reel ramp up the drag jump significantlt as you get to higher and higher drag. A single click at low drag setting is significantly less of a jump than a single click at higher set up. I am aware that a single click can ramp the drag like 10-20% in just a single click at high setting for my conventional reel. Lever drag has a more gradual adjustment curve (at least high quality ones) that can allow you to mess with drag mid fight more but you still have to know what you are doing. I have simply digital scale that I use to fuck around to set and test how my drags on all of my reels. It's something you can do in non-fishing off time to get familiar with your gear
Any advice for hook size and type for sightfishing gar? I don't wanna use any rope and know they hit anything with reflection so I was gonna tie a fly that won't get kill them if it breaks off with an underspin. I'm 90% sure I know saw a state record spotted while wading for smallmouth.
>>2872783i'd say size 4, that's what people use for longnose gar
Caught a herbivore using micro jig
>>2872783they can be really hard to catch because they often aren't aggressive. I've seen youtube videos of people catching them right and left with topwater, but the one's I've fished were never that aggressive. I had to "annoy" them by continuously casting 2 foot in front of them(which doesn't seem to spook them.) they were curious but not committed. best way I found is by using a tiny 45mm topwater. tiny #12 trebles. work it really slow with long pauses for them to even bother investigating it. just be aware that they will throw the hook often when fighting I've lost way more than I landed.. that's why the tiny thin wire trebles are important, they can actually penetrate what little meat is on the boney mouth it seems. you can also dropshot with an owner mosquito light in #6 or #4. use a stinky 2.5" gulp minnow. if the water is clear enough you will see them swim off with it but you need to wait until they get it towards the back of their mouth before setting the hook ideally, otherwise you will just pull it away from them. use heavier line with the dropshot though or they will cut you off
>>2872783>pic relatedTreble hook on a shank, foam body wooly bugger for the fly, you want it to barely barely sink.Dont forget to crush your barbs (improves penetration in to bone) amd strip set hard
I'm envious of you people living in areas with gar, and for that matter pike and musky. I want aggressive toothy fish that get really big, all I have here is ten kinds of salmon.
>>2872800>all I have here is ten kinds of salmon.king salmon? these get really bigi have pikes, and carps fight harder, i want to try barbel, it's basically a river carp on roids
>>2872800I have chain pickerel and gar, but they are more thinly spred and not very aggressive.be glad you have a premium eating fish like salmon.
>>2872800I technically have all 3 in my state though i have to drive a couple hours for gar and im not gonna lie its pretty sick>pic related, repost of my last muskyIm hoping to get on some dink smallies after work today. I had a killer cold that had me out of the game for almost two weeks, i only got over it monday/blogpost
>>2872817i didn't realize your dumb ass dropped his real name last time you posted that pic
I've finally made it to the part of the fishing journey where I'm throwing $15-20 lures on 4lb fluorocarbon.
tenkarabros, anyone here into keiryu? I've been using a random box of flies from Amazon but want to get some other stuff to fish different styles with, like nypmhing or whatever. Is there like an assortment box you'd recommend? I should probably get some plain hooks too for casting live bait, right? Anyone wanna help me find a better price for this stuff?:https://www.keiryurodco.com/shopaccessories/p/line-accesory-setAll I have right now is this:https://www.amazon.com/wifreo-Tenkara-Waterproof-Barbed-Fishing/dp/B07WWXSBQ1/ maybe ~10 flies left, should've gotten barbless.then some fluorocarbon line I think (friend threw away packaging), 5x tippet and tenkara line holder cards. it's been really hot where I'm at lately so I wanted to try nypmhing or casting live bait.
>>2872829I'm busy fishing right now, so I'll keep this brief. You need to watch some videos and read some articles. You should almost never buy any fly fishing stuff from Amazon. Those flies are dogshit. I already recommended Dragontail to you. Go look at some blogs, learn, and decide for yourself. You can almost certainly nymph on the rod you already have.
>>2872834yeah thanks for not helping at all. please read the question next time. I’m not the person you were talking to before. just want someone to drop links with cheapies for nymphing and keiryu stuff. If you do this again you will be asked to commit seppuku
>>2872835Do your own research.
>>2872817>dink smalliesClose enough>>2872834>never buy any fly fishing stuff from AmazonVery much this
>>2872829>should've gotten barbless.Just pinch the barb...
>>2872829>anyone here into keiryuNo, but it's just a longer stiffer tenkara rod more or less?>want to get some other stuff to fish different styles with, like nypmhingWhat kind of water are you fishing? Still streams? or open water? I'd suggest something like hare's ear nymphs for moving water, maybe some chironomids for still water. Might be able to suggest more depending on use case. >live baitNever used it fly fishing, you're basically just cane pole fishing at that point. So any line, hook and bait you'd use for cane pole fishing should do.
>>2872834>>2872843Fuck really? Im also gonna start trying out tenkara too and was gonna get these flies https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NRF1DXWAre those garbage too? Is buying tippet or level line from amazon included with the garbage? The tippet and level line i got to get started was from the dragontail kit so at least im okay there, but i was considering restocking with this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LV1NMRV and this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GK17711Z when time comes to replenish.Still waiting for my aventik im12 nano rod. Fkin delivery got delayed and wont be here til next week
>>2872856Hercules is garbage, I can personally attest to that. Not sure about the other. There's nothing specific to tenkara as far as tippet goes, any tippet will do. Get some Rio or SA tippet when you're ready to buy more. It's worth it.I've bought flies from amazon. Some are good soma re garbage. It's a dice roll.
>>2872850yeah but I mean why not just get barbless going forward instead to skip that step>>2872853>No, but it's just a longer stiffer tenkara rod more or less?yes, making it more amenable to things like casting heavier flies (nymphs, streamers etc) or bait.>What kind of water are you fishing? Still streams? or open water?not open water just yet, but the local river with varying features, ~15-30' wide. I've got a 16' rod and wade in it. there's some deeper holes I wanna nymph when it's hotter out as I imagine there's trout hiding down there. I also found a lot of 'largescale suckers' but they wouldn't take my offerings. but there was a school of like 30 of them, all pretty big.
>>2872859>why not just get barblessA good idea, if you can find them. You may be surprised at how hard to find barbless flies for sale are. Even the fly shops around here sell over 90% barbed flies. All of my barbless flies are ones I've tied myself.>deeper holes I wanna nymph when it's hotter outI'd throw nymphs at those, even when it's not hot. 75-90% of a trout's diet is sub surface. You want just the right time of day or a good hatch to have the best success with dry flies. If you want to get down deep fast, look for tungsten beaded nymphs. Hares ears, walt's worm, pheasant tails, pat's rubber legs, beaded pats to get down faster, prince nymphs, perdigons.... all good reliable nymph patterns anywhere there are stoneflies, mayflies and caddis. >largescale suckersI'm not familiar with fishing for suckers. I know they're popular for spear fishing around here. From a quick read, it looks like you'll need to fish the bottom for those. They should be willing to take any of the nymphs I listed, assuming you can get them to wherever they're looking without snagging the bottom. They may be easier to catch with worms.
Yesterdays haul, I love troutfishing. Borrowed my mom's cousin boat and grabbed a buddy and had the otter out for a couple of hours.
>>2872857Thanks for the tip, ill avoid the hercules shit. Where else should i get my flies since amazon is lacking?
>>2872856Dont bother buying tippet buy 4, 6, and 8 pound test filler spools from your local anywhere youll get more line per dollar and the fish wont know the difference. If you're insistsnt upon buying tippet at least get a name brand like scientific anglers. As for those flies, i wouldnt bother with them personally, but they might be servicable.>>2872876Most major fly fishing retailers will have at least decent flies. I personally order a decent amount of stuff from mad river outfitters, and ive heard good things about reds flies too. Id offer to tie you some, ive sold flies to others in ghese threads, but im pretty busy doing other things as of late so turnaround would be super long
>>2872876> https://www.fishusa.com/fly-shop/
>Can't stop catching fish every single cast>Stop fishing to rig my fishing partner's pole with the EXACT SAME THING I'M USING>They fail to catch a fish and get mad so they go homeI really need new fishing buddies. /blog
Me and my friend started tackling pike but no luck, any tips?
>>2872230Looks kino af
>>2872886pikes are very metabolism dependent, so they're less active when it's hot, so the best time are early morning and late afternoonthey can be very aggressive but won't target the same size as the season go on, they mostly ambush and rely on their sight, so you just need to spot where they might like to be, like tree roots in the water and under tree shadesoft plastic on a jig or spoons, wouldn't recommend hard plastic baits, if you miss the first hit they won't bite it again because it's hard, but they will chase soft plastic if they missed the first bite
>>2872886>If you want to get down deep fast, look for tungsten beaded nymphs. Hares ears, walt's worm, pheasant tails, pat's rubber legs, beaded pats to get down faster, prince nymphs, perdigons.... all good reliable nymph patterns anywhere there are stoneflies, mayflies and caddis.Thanks!
Someone suggested an altoid tin for a light and cheap dry wallet for flies. Is that just a meme though cuz i bought one and threw out the mints, scrubbed it twice and now its been 2 days and still getting a heavy mint smell which i dont think fish would be attracted to lol. >>2872877Checked>>2872882Cheers!
>>2872895That tin isnt water proof so it wont stay dry but it will be fine for holding flies if you can get the smell out. Allegedly a vinegar soak will do it but i haven't tried it so cant say for sure. Allegedly leaving it open in the sun helps, too, something about the u.v. radiation breaking things down
>>2872900I was gonna cutout and fit a sponge in it to hold the flies and absorb the moisture. Ill see if the vinegar soak and sunbake will fix it
>>2872788>>2872791>>2872798Thank you for the advice hoping the weather pushes more of them into the creek I frequent. I did not know the barbs were limiting me I assumed it was the opposite. >>2872800As mean as it sounds I would trade gar for pike. While gar are cooler imo because of their biology they are a pain to catch and they tear up soft plastics. They do not deserve to the disrespect they get they are the only species that can really kill and eat carp where I am.
i want to try going for carp but don't want to go into the gear autism, can i just put a feeder cage slinging on a line, any size 4 hook and put canned corn on/in the cage and the hook?
>>2872910>I did not know the barbs were limiting meYeah no its kinda crazy how hard it can be to get a barb to seat, you can feel it first-hand if you poke a barbed hook through heavy card stock, then crush the barb and try it again. Granted, knce a barb is seated it will hold better than barbless, thats a given, but if the fish's mouth is too hard to seat the barb . . .>>2872911Literally just put canned corn on a #4 bait holder hook and chum with some of it if its legal in your area
>>2872886that's wild you just gotta keep at it yo. spinners spoons jigs are all fantastic pike lures, tho they'll hit nearly anything, there's a video of two pike hitting a darth maul action figure somwhere out there. Spoons and spinners do great for the added flash to help them notice the lure + usually some vibration is built into those lures as well. Minnows dead or alive tend to work better in my pike experience than worms by a noticeable margin.Crankbaits and jerkbaits are a great alternative as well if you can do some trolling or have good casting opportunities and have the added benefit of not needing any bait. Just keep on casting em out. jerk-jerk-reel works fantastically with jerkbaits since you look like a wounded and easy meal.I go deepish (can still get a hit in most places in water column) and often get pikes abusing movement w/ my lures. jerk-jerk-reel even with not a jerkbait can trigger a strike, and even just lightly bouncing your lure up and down while stationary has gotten me some good hits. Gotten good hits on slow consistent retrieves all the same, some consistency or rhythm no matter what is helpful since they'll hit once they figure out how to best position their strike for a hook-up.here's a 21incher I caught at like 1am in the morning last night on some live bait, night pike is actually a bit of a rarity so i was surprised
>>2872861>You want just the right time of day or a good hatch to have the best success with dry flies. If you want to get down deep fast, look for tungsten beaded nymphs. Hares ears, walt's worm, pheasant tails, pat's rubber legs, beaded pats to get down faster, prince nymphs, perdigons.... all good reliable nymph patterns anywhere there are stoneflies, mayflies and caddis.Thanks! Aside from the rod, is tenkara rigging techniques the same as fly fishing? Like does all the same rigging and tackle apply, just in fixed lengths? Keiryu seems to also do bait casting, but fly fishers do not. I want to fish is whatever suitable whether it's dry or wet flies, weighted or unweighted nymphs, live or imitation bait, lures, etc. Just having some difficulty figuring out what I need aside from the rod (I have both a tenkara and keiryu rod). It can get kind of confusing researching it. I don't care at all about mirroring whatever is traditional in either Japan or the western fly fishing communities. I just used the last of my 5x tippet and am ordering some branded 'euronymphing line' from here:https://www.keiryurodco.com/shopaccessories/p/euro-nymph-line-fixed-lineAnd will order more tippet + nymphs online. I assume the nymphs should be weighted unless I buy weights? And the nymphs in pic rel can be replaced with live bait at will, right?
>>2872876Something to keep in mind when shopping for flies.... All flies are hand tied. If you buy inexpensive flies they're cutting out something to make it less expensive. Materials are already fairly inexpensive so probably cheaper hooks and cheap labor. If they're super cheap your guaranteed to get cheap hooks and made somewhere in the 3rd world. I'm not saying you need to buy $3+ flies from your local fly shop. But I am saying, you get what you pay for and it's a good idea to know where they're saving money.
>>2872911I've always caught carp the same way I catch catfish, on the bottom with weight and bait. No need for specialty gear. They're bottom feeders, so just fish the bottom. I think only Europeans get gear autism for carp.
>>2872920>https://www.keiryurodco.com/shopaccessories/p/euro-nymph-line-fixed-lineThat's just level line to indicator line to tippet ring. You can make it yourself for a lot cheaper. I make and use basically the same line setup when nymphing with my tenkara rod. >is tenkara rigging techniques the same as fly fishing?I'm not the Tenkara anon, so he may do more complicated rigs than I do. But I only do single fly with my tenkara rod. I don't use weights, just weighted flies. I don't use strike indicators, when tenkara nymphing, just tight line/euro. Sorry I can't be of more help with that.>I want to fish is whatever suitable whether it's dry or wet flies, weighted or unweighted nymphs, live or imitation bait, lures, etc.I know you've already heard this before, but.... A traditional fly rod sounds a lot more like what you want. If you want something that fits most situations, they will give you a lot more of the flexibility you're asking for.
what do you do to keep skirt material from sticking together? I've read all the boomer tricks, but they all just sound like fuddlore that pollutes the waterways or poisons fish.
>>2872923i figured using a feeder cage to put a lot of corn would prevent me having to chum hours prior the fishing
Caught my first decent size bass in a 1/4 acre stock tank in my wife's grandparent's pasture. Apparently it's never been stocked with bass so we don't know he got in there. Caught him on a 90's rapala minnow that was so rusted the hooks wouldn't even penetrate his mouth.
anudda pike got it on just 3 hooks threaded thru a big ol baitfish. guy jumped around and fucked around the water before hitting it and I knew it was on when my bobber was aggressively swimming away from where saw the pike land after jumping
>>2872920Also, what do you think about doing something like in that pic, but using 0.4g spoons? it'd be kinda like an umbrella rig
What a beautiful creature, my favourite fish by far.I always release them hoping god will let me see another the next dayThis one felt like a 26 incher.Best,Nick
ok today I bought>medium measure net>euro nymph lline and indicator kit>Owner trout ball float rig kit and small fish float rig>2x micro spoon lures (0.4g)>a bunch of tippet, hooks, splitshot weights>tweezers (for holding live bait while attaching hook)My near term goal is practice all different kinds of fishing styles between fly/lures (above and below surface) and live bait.
>>2872925Yeah over time I'll start making it myself, but it's only $15 and nice knowing it's all inclusive (I'm not gonna screw up and miss an essential component then need to wait another week). Bought a few other kits then going forward I'll have a better idea of what I want (I bought this stuff today: >>2872952).>I know you've already heard this before, but.... A traditional fly rod sounds a lot more like what you want. If you want something that fits most situations, they will give you a lot more of the flexibility you're asking for.What do they give me that a keiryu rod won't? Without starting a flamewar, part of what I'm trying to do here is see if tenkara/keiryu enjoyably covers all the fishing scenarios I want to do. So far it's been a definite success and I really enjoy it (and I did fly fish when I was younger but I was a noob).
I'm really excited for my spoon lures. I wanna try something like this (but with 2-4 spoons, not so crazy so it doesn't tangle every time I cast).
>>2872921Is tying flys as tedious as it seems? How quick would it take to bang out like 12 once you get the hang of it?
>>2872963I don't find it tedious at all. I find it rather meditative once you've got the pattern down and you're just tying. It helps to have a good vise and good tools.>how long would it take to bang out like 12That depends on the fly. The more materials they use the longer they can take to tie. I can finish a perdigon or griffith's gnat pretty fast. Just a couple materials and nothing complicated. Something like a stimulator is going to take a little bit longer. More materials, more techniques. I've never really tried to tie super fast or time myself though. Most unarticulated flies can probably be tied well in under 10 minutes.
why isn't a bend curve standard marketing practice?
>>2872963Its a littke tedious. How long depends on a lot of factors between complexity of the pattern, ease of handling of the materials, and your own personal q.c. standards. Id say a dozen typical flies for an experienced tier would take between 45 minutes and an hour, some patterns like glo bugs running faster than that, and annoying patterns like a royal wulff taking longer. Though big streamers can be really slow, when im tying a big hollow fleye for muskies it can take an hour to tie just one fly.The biggest hurdle is just the initial investment between tools and materials.Watch fly tying tutorials on youtube, i basically learned to tie flies by watching tim flagler (tightline productions) kelly galloup (the slide inn) and gunnar brammer on youtube.
>>2872917Nice one bro. Im scared of jerking it with the big pricey soft lures since it happened in the past that if I didn't reel it in the bait got stuck in some rocks or underwater logs or shit.
>>2872995>Im scared of jerking it with the big pricey soft lureshow pricey are we talking about? i just use some rapala stuff on a jighead so it's fine if i loose one every once in a while, i'll try the same rapala on a carolina rig soonish for the rock stufffor some reason i've never seen anyone using texas hooks in europe
>>2872996Like 13$, not that pricey but still. I lose enough spinner lures when I half assedly throw them and they get stuck on trees and stuff lol.
>>2872997i barely use spinners anymore, but because trebles do too much damages to fishes, it's just bad practice to keep a juvenile pike but at the same time treble limit their survival chances
>>2872883>>Stop fishing to rig my fishing partner's pole with the EXACT SAME THING I'M USING There's your problem. If you have to rig their rods, you have friends who aren't very good at fishing.
>>2872998You can de treble the hooks
>>2872998>>2873002Crushing barbs does a lot to limit the damage treble hooks do as well
Is pendulum casting a meme? I've been working on getting some distance with my bobber casts I wanna lob that shit 788 feet so I can hit the.I see the casting record is 975 feet, so should be easy.
>>2873010>hit the .I don't know how I deleted the end of that. "Fish ladder exit" is what I'm aiming for.
>>2872911Asking here for carp, why do people love feeding them with the rocket slinger, it's fun af Im sure but why feed the fish? Shouldn't they be hungry to get on your bait?
do you guys know where i can find a spare bail for an old daiwa, the 504, the one that's a copy of the penn 710the screw thread wore out and i can't tighter the nut on it to hold it properly, tried searching on ebay but didn't find anything
Took my new flats boat out for the first time this week. Was windy as fuck and almost fell off the platform twice but got the hang of it. We had a few shots at fish but my buddy sucks at casting in the wind and fucked it up.
>>2873021if you can't find it you could always re-thread
>>2873025>you could always re-threadhow does that work? if i do i need a new bolt right?
>>2873026is the bolt/screw threads stripped or the hole/nut threads that it goes into? you can fix the latter if it's minimal damage. the former can be fixed with a tap and yes you would need a new bolt/screw. alternatively, the daiwa part # for a replacement is likely the same for multiple reels in the lineup from the same period, maybe even other brands too if they used parts bin manufacturing in some shared factory or supplier. so you might not be limited to just searching for the specific reel model's part.
>>2873028look like it's the screw threadtried looking just with the keyword daiwa bailwire and didn't find anything that seem compatible
>>2873028alsothe end of the bailwire goes into a block that screw on the head so i would need to cut it to free it from the block itself or use another baili'm considering doing just that and replace it with a mitchell bail of similar size, would probably be easier
>>2873030you might just have to buy another and scavenge parts. like a busted reel on ebay for cheap. look at other models from the same era too and see if they look like they use the same design. it's hard to find individual parts for old reels, it's like old cars, most people have a yard full of "parts cars" which are wore versions of the main one they drive so they can scavenge parts off of them when the time comes.
>>2873035i can get a daiwa 404 for 5 euros, bail look very similar but not quite the same, i wonder if it's the same size
Lures (aside from spoons) and artificial bait like powerbait are for uncultured fishermen only right? What's in Paul Allen's tacklebox?
>>2873047it's finepeople used to make artificial baits with wood and leathernow my great grandfather would pick up rocks in the river, grab bugs and larva stick them on a hook, to fish small fishes he would then stick on another hook, to fish bigger fisha net is also a good alternative, ultimately you just need hooks
>>2873048>now my great grandfather would pick up rocks in the river, grab bugs and larva stick them on a hookthis is what I've been doing, it's patrician. some tackle and artificial bait just strikes me as distasteful and those people need to be shamed
Anyone got a hookup for a cheap multi-pack of single hook spoons ranging from 0.4g and up? It's insane how expensive these are, for what they are.
>>2873055https://www.fishing-otsuka.co.jp/troutshopjp/en/index.php?uid=53360101GLP00517&srsltid=AfmBOoqJktUJTOUbdxBy5N0gSh_qZa18RKoWmG_hNv50CxpeP5woPDYrcVI
tenkara with spoons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m1roflZy1s
Idiot who doesn't fish much other than for sunnies here. I want to try for crappie, is a 6 a good hook size?
>>2873047Anything other than artificial lures is just feeding fish, and takes zero skill.
>>2873089Artificial lures are arguably an improvement over nature.
Slabturday. 12 inches.
>>2873086yeah.
Got into a mess of smallies on the Mississip this morning.>>2873089>>2873047>>2873048Anyone that thinks their particular bait makes them better than someone using different bait is absolutely bitchmade.
>>2873047I like watching how different lures swim because I have a touch of the tism. Plus I don't like hurting worms.
>>2873049>it's patricianit is, it's also time consuming, when you just want to do a few throw at the bank for an hour or two an artificial lure is fine
>>2873047No, the opposite of what you're saying is true
>>2873101thanks anon, I hope you catch many big feesh :^)
>>2873049Artificials involve many more techniques and are much more engaging. Also, why would I want to mess with worms or shad when I could have artificials ready at anytime.
>>2873105There's just something really tacky about a tackle box with stuff like POWERBAIT^(tm) or crankbaits. Live foraged bait is cool because you're fishing very primitively and simply, learning about the local fauna. Flies and spoons get a pass for me as well since neither litter plastic and don't seem as consumerism orientated.>>2873089Wrong, this anon is right: >>2873091. Artificial's are a cheat code, you're just exploiting the fishes instinct with a device engineered to do it.>>2873103Worms aren't the only live bait though, you can fish nymphs and whatever else you find. Just kick rocks in the water and use a net to filter for bait.>>2873122You can have live bait ready nearly anytime too if you forage it. I'm not saying live bait fishing is the only way of course, but that some tackle is extremely tacky. I'm trying to stick to flies and spoons only for now.
>>2873156You're a faggot who has warped its mind into thinking everything it does is right and that people who do things differently are wrong.
>>2873164might I offer you a monthly lure subscription service, good goy - I mean sir?
>>2873149why did you stick him in the suitcase?
>>2872955What is this abomination, is this even legal
>>2873178it's called an umbrella or A-frame rig, in reality my rig will be closer to this sabiki. I would like to try trolling from my kayak
>>2873178umbrella rig legality varies by state and by number of arms.
>>2873149Nice. I got one a week ago myself. Probably gonna go out some time this week again
>>2872271>>2872301My take on it is that fishing is sporting to both the fish and fisherman if you're playing fair. If you find the right fly or lure, and the fish believes it, you have earned the right to hoist it out of the water and then gently replace it. It lives, you live, and you have won the game. If you use bait, you better be eating it. If I hook something with a lure and injure it severely, I will usually cook it as long as I am legally allowed to keep it.
>>2873170>monthly lure subscription >maybe this is a good way for me to get my tacklebox rounded out as a newbie>see the pricesHoly shit lol wtf?
>>2872301>>2872322No, because the money you pay for the fishing cards gets into the fish eco system to keep the fish and it's populace healthy. Maybe the fish even enjoy a good sporty wrestle once in a while, who knows.
>>2873156Retard
>>2873287Never buy a mystery tackle box. They're for goyim. How it works is that they take some best sellers and throw in some things that move really slow. They don't really put any good stuff in there. The best thing to do is go to a store and ask for help. I'm the guy who is going to help you. Talking to customers, provided they aren't too difficult or I'm feeling like shit, is the best part of the job. Even if that's the last time I'll see them and they'll buy from TW from now on, I don't mind.
I went bass fishihg and all i got was two dinks and a sun burn. I was only out for a couple hours, this sun burn shouldnt be half this bad, god damn.
>>2873313that's what you get when you fish naked
>>2873314I wasnt even naked this time
>>2873331your furry gimp mask don't count
How do decide when to use artificial bait over various flies, including weighted nymphs and streamers?I was gonna grab some of these:https://nikko-fishing.myshopify.comBut I'm not even really sure when I'm supposed to use them over flies. Like what the hell? I was gonna go to the coast and thought I'd want fake sand crabs but apparently you can just tie a fake sand crab fly. What am I supposed to do?
>>2873404it's just easier, convenient, and cost effectivealso i've only heard good things about nikko as a brand, especially the hellgrammites and fliesthe only advantage of flies is for topwater and being able to use them on a fly rod
>>2873405>it's just easier, convenient, and cost effective'it' being the artificial bait? if so what about them is easier and more convenient?And so there's no real underlying reason to go for one over the other (provided you're not fishing the topwater/surface)? Pic rel is my cart from Nikko, just screwing around trying to get to $100 for free shipping. Also got some eggs, hellgrammite, shrimp and a sandworm. But it's got me wondering now; do I maintain two separate and parallel collections of bait and flies, or just stick with flies? My gut tells me I'd prefer an artificial if eg trying to fish the surf on a windy day.
>>2873406well i don't think you need a whole collection in the first place, just bare minimum to target whatever you target>if so what about them is easier and more convenient?you just need to stick the zipbag it come in in your pocket and go fishing with your rod, stick the plastic on the hook and throwflies are more delicate and need it's box, need a line and leader adapted to it, strike indicator, and whatever, plus flyrod being less accessible for beginners it doesn't make much of a difference for the autistic fisherman that have ton of gear, but for the casual one he just need a 15lb line on a reel and a bunch of jigs and plasticthat remind me i've seen someone flyfish for carp the other day, apparently carp eat the most simple nymphs, in this case this is certainly more simple than the british carp autism with ton of gear
>>2873404Typically, you provide the action for those soft plastic lures to entice a strike. With most flies, you're relying on the movement of the water to move a drag free fly into the strike zone of a fish. They're both artificial lures, so you need something to provide an action to make a fish think it's possibly a meal. Artificials sitting idly on the bottom or a still surface are unlikely to illicit a bite.
>>2873408> just bare minimum to target whatever you targetwell sure but that's still a collection. for example do I want a soft plastic mayfly nymph AND a fly nymph? or just a fly nymph? When would I ever reach for the soft plastic nymph over a fly? just not sure I understand the applications here.but good point about the durability of the plastics. being able to travel without being pre-hooked might be benefit somehow.>>2873409right, but my question is, given all that, when would someone go for a soft-plastic over a fly? are you saying that if I intend to provide the action (say in stillwater) that a soft-plastic may be more suitable over a fly?sorry I know it probably seems pedantic, just trying to learn though and don't want stuff I don't need. for some reason casting flies on a lake or off the beach seems dumb, maybe it's my brain intuiting the possible air resistance that soft plastics lack. but if I had the choice between a fly lure vs a soft plastic for fishing surfperch I feel I'd for the soft plastic every time. simpler rigging and less air resistance. not sure if there's a general pricinple here that might inform my purchases and collecting
>>2873410>for example do I want a soft plastic mayfly nymph AND a fly nymph? or just a fly nymph? When would I ever reach for the soft plastic nymph over a fly? just not sure I understand the applications here.well one is made to be put on a jighead and thrown with any spin setup, the other is made to be thrown by a more specific fly setupso i guess it's more a matter of what setup you like to use, tho i guess you could use soft plastic one a normal hook on a fly rod, would float/sink better too maybe but that's a detail at that pointanyway, for fishing anything that can get big i personally prefer a spin setup with a drag, it's criminal when you compare the progress of spin reel to the progress of fly reels, maybe i should design one myself
>>2873411fwiw I've only been doing fixed line fishing (tenkara and keiryu, the latter is a rod designed for bait casting). so typically I rely 100% on the water for action, since I have no retrieve, but the question remains.the other day I saw a lot of big fish along the bottom ignoring my flies, even if I'd let them sink for a bit to get closer it wasn't low enough (all I had was weightless flies). so I've got stuff for nymphing in the mail and was gonna forage bait and also bought some weights and a bobber for that, which got me thinking about the utility of soft plastics when I don't want to or can't forage. but then, why not just use weighted flies? I still just don't really get it.
>>2873410>>2873412Soft plastics are typically fished on a setup that allows for a retrieve, not fixed line. You can try and drag free drift a soft plastic, it could work. But that's not really what they were made to do. Those stonefly and dragon fly nymphs could be dead drifted, potentially. But the larger ones like the ned and helgramites are meant to be jigged on a retrieve. That rod you say is for bait, they're talking real bait, something with movement(if live), smell and flavor all on its own. While those soft plastics are called bait on the site you linked they're not really, they're artificial lures.
>>2873413>>2873406*just went back and looked at that picture again. Stonefly, *mayfly nymphs and the caddis(though it looks really big, but might just be the picture). And you have a craw, not a helgramite. And the fish(swim bait) needs a retrieve as well. Though, to could probably just jig it in place. Sorry for the need for corrections, I'm on my phone not my PC. So I was going off of my poor memory rather than going back to look at the screen cap you shared.
>>2873414>>2873413I had more than what was included in the pic, took a surprising number of SKUs to reach $100. Haven't ordered yet though and probably won't except for maybe the saltwater baits and some crawdads.And I can jig on my fixed line rods, right? I can see the distinction though in that flies are *made* to be drifted, while soft plastics *can* be drifted. The minnow on a fixed line rod didn't really make sense to me for example since it relies so much on retrieve for action.The plastics that are most suitable for drifting end up being the use cases where I'd definitely grab a fly first, it seems like.
>>2873416>And I can jig on my fixed line rods, right?Can you? Yes. Will it illicit a bite? Sometimes/maybe. Is it the best option? Typically only if it's your only option. Ice fishing artificials you're more or less just jigging in place. But most of the time, you're going to give the soft plastic more "realism" if it's moving. A craw, for example, doesn't just jump up and down in one place. It's either crawling along the bottom or jumping away from a threat. Either way it's not staying in one spot. A dying fish, on the other hand, may spasm in one spot. Only moving if the current is moving it. At the end of the day, you're trying to trick a fish into thinking it's looking at real food, not a chunk of plastic or hair and thread wrapped around a hook..
>>2873418So, basically, for a fixed line, if the water is not giving you action for free, you probably need to be real food? You do have a very minimal ability to command movement even in still water with the fixed-length style, as I'm sure you can imagine. You're not gonna win any Oscar's though.But aside from still water, do plastics have any place where they'd outright be more suitable than flies?
>>2873418I think my worst nightmare fishing scenario, for the fishing I do or plan to, would be hiking all the way up to a remote, alpine lake and just getting absolutely skunked for days. I kguess that's just the price you pay for fishing a weeb rod.In this video, this rod salesmen fishes a lake with a worm first then nymphs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxee0l51JmMI was hoping an artificial worm or other soft plastics might help, but you're right in that if I don't have anything providing action it's just a lifeless worm being moved up and down vertically.
>>2873419The only soft plastic I have in my fly box are a couple squirmy worms. >>2873420Hmm....I don't like that video. He catches that first on a worm, classic cane pole style. Then says he caught a couple more on flies, but doesn't include any video of the technique he's using to fish them. How are you supposed to replicate his results if he doesn't include the most important part? >nightmare fishing scenario>that's just the price you pay for fishing a weeb rod.That's a distinct possibility. Still water on a fixed line without live bait is hard. You can figure eight and jig.
>>2873421>How are you supposed to replicate his results if he doesn't include the most important part?Yeah I didn't like that either and footage of people keiryu fishing is sparse compared to tenkara, so it would've been valuable. The hardware allows for more than stationary cane pole fishing, imo.>You can figure eight and jig.Yeah that's about the best I can do.. There's also the idea of picking up a packraft and doing some trolling-style stuff, where the motion of the kayak would give things like plastic minnows the necessary action..
>>2872271>>2872301I like fishing but I have no desire to eat fish, so I only do catch and release. If I gut hook one (which rarely happens) and it dies, at least it will feed another fish.
Here's a guy foraging for and fishing with leeches with a fixed line setup:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkomdU0WwlUIn this scenario, I assume an artificial soft plastic could also do well. But why a soft plastic over a fly leech? Someone please answer and set me straight so I can get this off my mind.
>>2873430you might have any medically diagnosable issue that you should get checked, without irony or ill intent
>>2872271fish taste good and harvesting your own game is literally the most ethical method of obtaining meat. would you prefer that i support industrial-scale fishing by buying it from the store, faggot?
>>2873435what would it be called, approximately
Wtf is going on with this thread?
>>2873253>fishing is sporting to both the fishno it isn't lmao, I have no problem fishing and eating fish but let's not pretend that the fish are having a good timeimagine thinking that you found some food to eat only to get stabbed through the lip with a barbed metal spike and then being dragged by said barbed metal spike until you eventually end up being pulled into a hell where you can't breathe and can't see or hear properly. and then some boomer puts his nasty arthritic hands all over you while his buddy takes a picture
>>2873446science has actually shown they are having a good (if not great) time
>>2873430I think he's using live bait because that water isn't moving enough to drift anything but a dry. So in that scenario, no, I don't think a soft plastic or leech patterned fly would work well. If it's deep enough, you could add a float and suspend an artificial leech below it. but you're back to the water not adding much action. So it's not an ideal situation for a fixed line with an artificial. If you had a trad fly or spinning setup, you could retrieve a leech pattern through there and probably have good success. with either of those you could probably find good arguments both for and against soft plastic or leech fly pattern. So I'd say it would come down to personal preference.
>>2873440trolls are out in force. I think the jannies must not be very active in this board or no one reports.
>>2873452>I think he's using live bait He was using some live, some artificial. At least that's what the description says. Maybe the fake worms were edited out though (perhaps implying nothing was caught with them). As a person trying to navigate this stuff, I dig that guys channel - he's like the only person in the world fishing keiryu style it seems (though he seemingly fishes nearly all styles) and, more generally, regularly fishing larger water with a fixed line. >So it's not an ideal situation for a fixed line with an artificialWhat is though? That's what I'm not understanding. When would one go for a soft plastic over a weighted fly or 'euronymph' style with a fly? I just thought that video was interesting because at least it was evidence of a person actually casting live bait with keiryu, so presumably an artificial may have also been suitable. But maybe not if the water wouldn't induce the action. >So I'd say it would come down to personal preference.That's what it sounds. Hmm. I'll have to just order some and dink around then. Thanks. I feel like the preference will come from some interaction between the rigging and casting differences (eg, potentially simpler rigging and maybe it cuts the wind better).
>>2873313lol you need to avoid 10am to 3pm bad sun
>>2873446Fate worse than death.
>>2872387cyprinus carpio?
>>2873253>fishing is sporting to both the fishLet's not kid ourselves, it's not. If the fish could understand the concept and rules, it wouldn't consent. Consent doesn't really factor into nature, but the animal acts like it's fighting for its life, it must be stressful as fuck for them, even when you allow it to live on.
Any coarse anglers here?
>>2873478Its been a couple months but i enjoy rough fish yeah
>>2873481I'm going after work tomorrow, medium size 20g cage feeder with Hali hemp crush groundbait, maggots and caster. Might use a wafter. Practising for a club match. I love the lake, they have bream to 10lb so that's my target, to build up the swim and snag one or two.
>>2873484This is one of the most Bong sentences I've read.
>>2873485*Post.I realize there is more than one sentence.
>>2873484Unfortunately im stateside so coarse angling is a little different hereGood luck though, and report back! Consider trying some canned sweet corn
sorry turt. luckily i didnt have to haul him on the dock and use pliers. their faces r way more beaky than they are fleshy right? he got off the line like 2s after video ends when all the angles were right
>>2873507Now that was fucking painful for that little fucker
tried for red drum but ended up with gar
>>2873507lol had to unhook a few of those. dont know how hard they can bite but would rather not test with my finger
thoughts?
>>2873448just imagine the reverse scenarioyou're minding your own business and suddenly a tasty snack appearsyou eat it and immediately have a sharp, barbed metal hook (which is sized proportionately to a human) through your mouth or possibly even in your throat. then something starts yanking on the hook, pulling you into a nearby body of wateryou can't breathe, your vision is blurred to shit because your eyes are adapted to see through air which has a different refractive index than water, and your hearing is fucked for a similar reason. then some giant creature grabs you, rips the hook out of your face, and keeps you underwater for a few minutes while it measures you and takes a picturethen it tosses you back on landdoes that sound like a good time?
I saw discussion higher up about de-trebling spinners, which is what I’m doing this year after being unsatisfied with just debarbing my panther martins last year (first time I ever actually caught anything)The problem I face now is what size hook to use It seems grinding or crushing the barb on the Siwash Open Eye (pictured) is common practice, but if anyone has experience please lmk cause my best plan right now is going into store with the single hook I bought and comparing. However I also do 1/32oz spinners and there’s no single hook sold to compare to
>>2873530Just use stock treble for such small games. They don't really do anymore "real" damage to the fishes. Treble is more troublesome for the fisherman, sure, but it wouldn't be if you just use the plier to remove hook instead of your barehand.
>>2873531the fish with three hooks in it's mouth at once would probably disagree, and i do use pliers. the decision has been made im not gonna use trebles anymore
>>2873529STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!!Fuck!! I know it's a fishing thread but the number of retards taking this obvious bait in the entire thread is alarming.
>>2873534oh who fucking cares. at least it makes the thread more active.
Glub glub im a fish and I love chasing bright spinny thing
>>2873537same
>>2873532>>2873530For the really small ones it will probably be easier to just clip the treble hooks down until its a single hook.>>2873537Good luck and god speed anon
>>2873543Glub glub holy shit something is spinning really fast glub glub I’m gonna chase it ahhh it’s gone I hope it comes back
>>2873546Youll get it next time anon those spinny things can be quick
>>2873530To hijack a bit are barbed hooks really that bad to unhook the fish from?I only caught fish with regular hooks for now.
>>2873529You can't compare the human rational soul to the soul of an animal, the internal phenomenology is different
Took advantage of the midnight sun and caught this fatty at the bridge
>>2873556Have you ever tried taking a regular hook out and the barb blocks your exit? Have you pulled and pushed so hard that the fish's face gets totally distorted? That's never a problem with barbless.
>>2873556I’ve pressed the barbs down on all mine already and it’s still not snagfree to get them off, barbless hooks also should go IN easier, so it might actually lead to more hits
can you guy recommend me a net? i've only fished stuff i can grab by the mouth or the gills untill now, i want to go for carp and apparently the have fragile mouth and all
Anyone have experience hunting or fishing in Hawaii, specifically Oahu? I'm moving there. No experience fishing surf or reef
This is a gami siwash size 8 against the stock PM #2 single hook. It’s slightly longer and thicker. I also grabbed size 10 and it appears to be a perfect match. I’ll probably try both sizes on the 2 and put the 8s on my 4s. As for size 1 PMs, I might be out of luck for what I can find in stores near me. However I know some people have used tiny jap hooks on them
Glub glub I’m not biting that Glub glub ^
>>2873594I got this in the mail recently https://themeasurenet.com/product/medium-rubber-net/seems huge for the fish I catch, but a good net. imma buy the small later.
>>2873404fishbump
>>2873605Shit man if you fly fishin already just do the fly
>>2873532Just my personal experience. A single treble will hook the fish with 1 hook most of the time, maybe double hook like 10 -20% and actual triple hook less than 5%. They don't really do that much more damage to the fish than single set up since single hook also prones to leave a bigger/deeper hole and more likely to go deep into the eye. I used to plan to switch from treble to single but then don't bother most of the time anymore. For shore fishing, I do prefer the increased hook up rate of trebles, especially for halibut since they are very wary before committing to a strike and often won't strike again if they miss the hookFor my kayak lures though, I do prefer singles, especially for bigger game fish. While treble increase hook up rate, I care more about hook raw strength and security since I need to fight the fish longer for bigger game fishes. Having a big fish with treble on the kayak isn't really fun when they swing the treble around near my body parts on the kayak.
>>2873607Oregon says no trebles so I have to switch anyway. I think I could use some tiny barbless and a split ring to get similar hook size as the treble provides to prevent the eye issue
i had a pike brutally stab my hand with a double hooked treble when he thrashed while i was trying to remove itthank god i pinch my barbs
>>2873609What can you do if youre alone
>>2873612Amputate
>>2873612Been there, done that. First step is to get the fish off the lure so he doesn’t fuck you up worse. Second step is to get line around the hook shank and sneaking the barbs out of your skin without fucking yourself up bad. Third step is to control bleeding.Fourth step is to resume fishing.
>>2873608Oregon could potentially ban fishing. Everything Oregon is retarded.
>>2873600Measure nets are sweetStill kicking my ass about leaving this at a river 5 hours from home
>>2873609Reminds me this morning that my hemostats finally came in use after hooking a bass on a popper.
>>2873627That ballot initiative won't even come close to passing. Vegans are a tiny minority, even in ultra-liberal states like Oregon.
>>2872236Is that you, Higgy?
>>2872935Sometimes fish get dropped by birds in flight and can colonize artificial ponds that way
>>2873627That would be really funny cause then I would just keep fishing and not pay for a license
>>2873652you underestimate the power of the Oregon foidocracy
Turns out you can just take PMs apart and replace the treble with a barbless fly hook directly. Think I’ll do that for the 1s
>>2873606I have a keiryu rod too though which is designed for casting live bait. that's where I'm getting confused. I initially thought about buying some plastic worms or something as backup, then I thought but why not a weighted worm fly? and that's where I'm stuck and they're two different paradigms or styles of fishing but they seem to have complete overlap. it's really pissing me off I'll probably end up ordering from Nikko just to try it out
>>2873699Idk man they fish just put something in they face
>>2873700can u just tell me when, all else equal, you'd grab a soft plastic over an equivalent weighted fly?
I fucked up and snipped the wire instead of the hook so now I have a really short number 4 that may or may not work at all but it doesn’t matter cause I don’t throw 4s anyway
>>2873701Sorry I’m just autistic panther Martin guy and have 100 soft baits i was gifted that I’ll never touch so I have no clue when to do any of that. Check back next year when I start fly fishing
>>2873703ok, I guess I'll have to buy some plastics and find out for myself. I suspect in settings with high wind, like the surf, I might go for a plastic. I can envision scenarios in which I might go for a plastic worm over an equivalent fly, too. I guess maybe size has something to do with it.
>>2873704I feel like most things you just gotta figure out yourself since there’s so much retarded boomerlore out thereJust do what’s fun
>>2873705im almost there just don't wanna order shit I don't need. but to some extent it's more economic to just DoorDash for two extra hours and make the $30 to try the plastics than it is to scroll in boomer forums for six hours reading crap.at least that's how I've been feeling lately. got so tired of trying to figure some of this stuff out just been signing up for extra days at work to pay for whatever im wondering about.
SHRIMP ON THE BARBIEWORM ON THE BOBBER
Fresh bread when
>>2873722since you asked>>2873723>>2873723>>2873723
I caught a big fish today.
