Did we lose something when everyone gained a camera in their pocket? Especially video ability.I can't describe it but I think society was better when someone with a camera was a rarity.
>>4442407>Gatekeeping is le good! Contrarian cringe
>>4442407I can explain it easily. Photography is worth nothing now because the supply of it went up 1000x and the demand only increased maybe 2x. That's why it's so hard to actually make money doing photography. Everyone thinks they're a photographer and want to "be their own boss".
>>4442412Not gatekeeping at all, just it seems like having a separate device without social media made taking a picture special. Go watch some homemade movies from the 1970s/80s/90s, people's behavior was very different once you put them on camera.
>>4442412gatekeeping is literally good. Without it retards show up into a space and dilute it into something worse
Go to bed gramps
>>4442413I don't buy this. The iPhone camera didn't replace the EOS 1 or the F3, it replaced the Sony Mavica or the disposable camera. Utilitarian cameras that aren't intended for artistic use, just for taking a picture of something for documentational or communicative purposes. People who were shooting on professional systems back then, still are now. No one is 'marketing' themselves with their iPhone cameras. Maybe it's a starting point, a stepping stool in the same way a book about photography might have been a stepping stool for someone to pique their interest, sure. There definitely are other side effects of literally everyone having a camera on them at all times now, but I don't think this is one.
>>4442446>The iPhone camera didn't replace the EOS 1 or the F3It did. iPhone makes better video than an F3
>>4442446I should have clarified my first and second point better. My first point is that since everyone has a camera and everyone posts online, the supply of photography for people to consume has skyrocketed. This makes every individual photo fairly worthless. Even if it's just pictures of your dog or your lunch people's capacity to consume photography is finite. In the olden days photography was something you had to seek out. Now it's something that is constantly delivered to you. My second point is that since everyone is a "photographer" lots of people buy a used sony and learn how to use it and try to shoot weddings or whatever.
>>4442447I agree with this anon. The F3 was also replaced by the Samsung SRF5300SD 498L French Door Refrigerator with Non-Plumbed Water Dispenser because it keeps grapes far cooler than the F3 ever could have. Retard.
>>4442451Personally as someone who was alive before the iPhone, I don't remember anyone ever giving a shit about what anyone does, photography or otherwise. Unless there's something to gain for them, they have no reason to pretend to care. Even if there is something to gain, money, influence, connections, whatever, they're still only pretending to care about your work. Even wedding photographers will tell you the couple don't give a fuck about the photos, or the effort that goes it to them, they just like that they're "professional quality" images with them in them. They're just photos. I think taking photos is just as fun as it's always been and looking at other people's photos is just a boring as it's always been.
>>4442451>This makes every individual photo fairly worthless.It's almost like they always were worthless.
>>4442455makes no sense to draw this conclusion based on what I said
>>4442453yeah it's all boring but the difference now is that good photos live in a sea of iphone slop
shitty gear thread, sage
>>4442407Yeah, we lost the ability for the retarded masses to just sit the fuck down and experience lifeNow everyone has to snapshit and vidshit every little moment of their life and every experience they have no matter how innane that moment may be, how shit the resulting images and video come out, or how unlikely it is anyone including themselves will ever actually go back and look at what they took.
>>4442407>I can't describe it but I think society was better when someone with a camera was a rarity.it wasI used to believe that it would be a good thing because through the internet, basically anything would be available, and it would essentially be immortal, for instance imagine instead of having to go buy a book on Vietnam, you had a fuckhuge server filled with almost every available photo of vietnam including helmet cams, news video, cell phone footage, etc. I've realized that I was dead wrong. Most people take shit photos putting no thought into them, and they either get vomited onto instagram and deep fried by their compression and filters, or they rot on a cloud somewhere until they're deleted to make room for more shit photosthe only way I appreciate photos anymore, and the only way I enjoy the process is that I have a leatherbound scrapbook where I put my prints. Everything else gets deleted or thrown out. What goes in the scrapbook gets backed up on my server, but otherwise it ceases to exist. it's really bizarre but I have gone backwards from a D850 to an AF600 point and shoot. It's no fun to grip and rip with a DSLR, and it's certainly no fun to smash a touchscreen. Phone photos look absolutely hideous as prints, too
Phones being all <40mm basically made everything look really crap.
>>4444730>vietnam helmet cams & cell phone footagewell thanks to AI we're basically already there
>>4444850not everything
>>4442457More true than photography being totally devalued If you're even slightly good people notice. Prior to smartphone cameras I think the bar was much higher. I mean internet retards regularly go apeshit for the most boring, bland, emotionless street photography in the world on reels just because there's bokeh and some pop. Moral of the story: just go make images. Shut up and go make stuff. Get off fucking 4chan retarrds and go make stuff. Idiots.
>>4444859Not really, you want to see Vietnam, not the interpretation of Vietnam by the computer
>>4445049I prefer AI slop to real stuff actually
>>4442416you're just a coping shitter
>>4445152t. Doghair hittin up e6ai
>>4445280What the FUCK does this even mean? I will preemptively say how dare you because it sounds bad.t. Doghair
last less ultra processed iPhone before HDR going crazy?
>>4445411Anyone?
>>4445411iphone 8
>>4445411Youve already gone crazy. I'm sorry.
>>4442453>looking at other people's photos is just a boring as it's always beenWeird, whenever I find a photographer whose style inspires me, I go ravenous, to the point of sometimes buying their books. Maybe you just can't visualize an apple in 3D space?
>>4445500I can that's why I dont need to look at some trust fund kids snapshits to imagine things
>>4445510Ok, so try another hobby.
>>4445512>Nooo photography isn't for you if you dont like muh nipponese waifus posing with rocks!Oh I like taking photosI just admit that photos aren't inherently important and most "photographers" have their head up their ass with a bad case of "i looked at this so its important, the place i stood makes it art". The vast majority of photobooks are non-artistic travel/editorial catalogues with an air of angst and pretentiousness. Art photography, photography truly worth looking at, is rare, and it's not so much art photography, as it is photography of art, or art made with photography.Street photography is especially guilty of being pretentious and narcissistic. Basically angsty, overgrown children doing editorial work without a good writer. No wonder it comes from places stuffed with angsty overgrown children like japan and new york.
>>4445513>Art photography, photography truly worth looking at, is rareThe photography worth looking at is whatever you like. It's not that complicated. The only pretentious person here is you.
>>4445514That's a very narcissistic way of looking at things. Aesthetics are not subjective. Is language whatever has meaning "to you"? No. Absolutely not. Likewise with art, just because you enjoy it, doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
>>4445516>Likewise with art, just because you enjoy it, doesn't mean it's worthwhile.I'm afraid we will never come to an agreement in this discussion. You have simply overthought yourself into a corner of autistic neurosis.
>>4445517>im not listening>ur stupidSuch is the life of the man with no retort"Just because you enjoy it doesn't mean it's worthwhile" is not a hard concept
>>4445516Aesthetics are absolutely subjective. It's just that they're based on human perception and emotions so there are common throughlines with art. You just have a convenient worldview that allows you to justify to yourself why everything you like is good while everything other people like is bad.
>>4445521>aesthetics are subjectiveAnd in other news, sugar tastes sour.Aesthetics are largely objective and variation cuts closer to psychiatric disorder than people are comfortable to admit. The prevalence of schizophrenia among artists is not a coincidence. It has been steadily increasing since art became a novelty market (and cover for money laundering).We have been trying to hammer this truth into architects skulls for 30+ years and they still haven't gotten it, so I don't have high hopes for you.
>>4445519Didn't call you stupid, called you autistic. Very different statement (but if you were clever, you'd have figured that out from the start)>"Just because you enjoy it doesn't mean it's worthwhile" is not a hard conceptNot a hard concept, just wrong. >Is language whatever has meaning "to you"? No. Absolutely not. Likewise wrong. Language, to a given listener, is indeed whatever utterance has meaning. That is the generative function of language that dialects emerge from and that enacts diachronic change. The reason I can call you a gearfag and for you to have a clue what that means is precisely because language is whatever has meaning "to you". You are essentially presenting a dated prescriptivist argument and attempting to apply it to aesthetics because of your autism or shut-inness or chud-like misanthropic overthinking, or all three.
>>4445523>Its wrong, and you're bad!Aesthetics are not subjectiveNot all enjoyable activities are worthwhile>this is dated! AUTISM! SHUT IN!.... CHUD!Or maybe something degenerate, objectively discordant and bad for human psychology needs not your defense
>>4445524The very virtue of something being enjoyable makes it worthwhile, you fucking loser. Holy shit I can't believe what I'm reading.No, you can't bring things objectively bad for human psychology into this (I can already see you bringing up some bullshit strawman "drugs are enjoyable so are they worthwhile durrrr"), because those are not purely enjoyable in the same way as enjoying somebody's art because it appeals to your aesthetic sensibilities. And yes, you're an autistic shut-in chud, I stand by that.
>>4445526>The very virtue of something being enjoyable makes it worthwhileLiteral hedonist.>No, you can't bring things objectively bad for human psychology into thisExcept discordant and degenerate art that runs counter to natural and objective aesthetic principles CAN be brought into this. This is a class that covers everything from schizophrenic nonsense in modern art, to literal autistic bugmen working in architecture, to where most of it actually exists - pop "art" and *government propaganda*. Discordant and degenerate DO have a valid place in art, as prior to catharsis, but their application sans catharsis serves to increase anxiety and communicate inherently negative and self destructive ideas. There is a reason propaganda, for instance, is always so fucking ugly. A lot of street photography can always go here... and there's some "art" photography that is just clearly propaganda. enemy group/enemy idea = ugly and gross to look at is an old one that won't die because: aesthetics aren't subjective, and it fuckin' works. If you call it thought provoking and brave it doesn't actually... stop being what it is.>DRUGS: because those are not purely enjoyable in the same way as enjoying somebody's art because it appeals to your aesthetic sensibilities.Actually drugs dont fit this like you want them to because drugs are by definition a medicine. A medicine does make you feel better, but it's not worthwhile unless it is part of a therapy to eliminate what's making you feel worse.Shitty art on the other hand can be part of what makes you feel worse, long term, by embedding associations in your ape brain by using and abusing the laws of aestheticsMuch like architecture is used to blunt affects and demoralize captivesAnd propaganda is used to demonize enemiesYou have no idea how old and how prevalent degenerate art is and probably thought I was just shitting on anything that isn't neoclassical.
>>4445529Propaganda in photography is realYou just never noticed because it's actually on the chud's side
>>4445529>moving the goalposts this hardVery convenient for you to bring up hardly disputable common sense arguments in a totally irrelevant direction.We're talking about photography. Individual photographers publishing their works in small scale. Whatever work you enjoy has the value you ascribe to it. If that wasn't the case, photobooks wouldn't sell. That has been my thesis from the beginning. You trying to bring top-down demoralization projects into this is yet another manifestation of your chudlike outlook.
>>4445522wow it's like you only read my first sentence and then reacted like an animal.
>>4445500i would've found this more interesting without the person in it, but if this is your waifu or whatever i guess that increases the value. art being subjective and all that
>>4442407>Did we lose something when everyone gained a camera in their pocket? Especially video ability.no
>>4445531Chuds are consistently correct. There’s a reason chud-kun is styled after a young ashkenazim.
>>4445411iPhone 12 is the last one where you can disable HDR.
>>4442452>he thinks he can keep his drinks and snacks cool with 498L capacity Cringe.
>>4442407>Did we lose somethingYes, you lost the clout and specialty of being the little snowflake with a camera. Now that everyone can express themselves you realize you were mediocre all along, meanwhile normal people discover they can actually take good pictures by themselves
>>4454413Did you mean to send this to your dad?
>>4446099you sound manic anon. Take your meds
>>4454413professional photography exists soley because phone cameras are not real cameras lolnothing has changed. disposables, pns, 110 film… well ok, one thing changed. AI. now compacts REALLY aren’t real cameras. only npc tier people dont seem care.
>>4442407We lost a life where gossip was exclusive to the most worthless and inept people on earth. Now gossip is standard and everyone spies on each other. It’s like the communist party.
>>4442446There's a market for iPhone videomakers and some photographers. Normies can't even tell the difference between the dof of a cheap 50mm prime and a high-end phone AI bokeh.Plus the phone picture is already cooked sooc and takes much mess skill...
>>4454508>"normies"The people that can't tell aren't actually normal outside of india/trailer parks/ghettos/etcUpper classes prefer real photos not even because they know they're more expensive but because the mental capacity needed to escape/stay out of poverty comes with greater attention to detail and more overall awareness. iPhone fake bokeh and ai sharpening/smears are the smoke detector chirps of photography.Stupid people experience the world differently. They get jobs, they take wives, they have children, often doing all of this earlier and more consistently, while being totally unaware of most of the world and running on autopilot. To them, every day things that smart people notice are magical experiences that take mental effort to focus on, but can be safely ignored. The intelligent actually have to put more effort into ignoring things.
>>4442407Giving a camera to a normalfag is like giving a monkey in the jungle a matchbox. >>4442412Do you also want 90iq monkeys to work on a nuclear plant? >>4445530Nan Goldin depicted lgbtquqererwq in not a good light doe. She has shown their life is miserable. Hedonistic husks of human beings coping through degeneracy and then suffering the consequences.
>>4454603he did say the propaganda was on the chud's side
the faggots who think that pressing a shutter button is a virtue are the real cancer in photography. they can't discern between shit and good photography that's why all of their photos are masterpieces. they have no problem in consooming films, albums and books and actually discussing those individual art works and acknowledging the mastery of those artists in those mediums but they'll never buy photobooks or have some deeper engagement with the photographers who made great shit because it makes them insecure and reminds them that how shit is their own work so to keep up the delusion of their own sense of self importance they never look at other photography. this is plague. these people shit up photography the most. normies with an iphone are not the problem because a normie knows that he sucks and he is doing it for fun. the real problem is these philistines, baboons with a camera in their hands who make up the majority of every photography community. fucking monkeys, low iq retards, all dumb as shit.
>>4454675There's just too much garbage in photography like winogrand, cohen, and shoreIt's easy to stigmatize an art form that has been almost entirely taken over by some of the dumbest egotistical nepotistic fucks on earth
>>4454676nigger find something that you love. all you talk is hate.
>>4454675Pee in a nutshell, but add chart nerds autisms desperately trying to validate their camera brand purchase at all costs.
>>4454679He is literally a cuck for art jews. It is absolutely hilarious seeing him whine and cry about how his jewish overlords took art right out of his hands. It sure is a great excuse for his own personal failures!
>>4454681you sound unhinged. seek love and help.
>>4454684Retard.
>>4454679Nigger you are paying taxes to pedophiles who traffic teenagers with the help of foreign intelligence agentsHate more. Retvrn to riefenstahlist photography. Embody hate.
>>4454685Sorry I saw the word jew and assumed it was him. Totally agree with your point. >>4454688im not a murican you retard. let me tell you a fun fact. the biggest and the most critically acclaimed art photographer in america is ***surprise surprise*** not ansel adams but Walker Evans, a white man. all your jewish boogeymen pay homage to him. yet i never see you and your kin ever talking about walker evans. only jews live in your head rent free. you are an unhinged retard. you don't care about photography or anything. you just want to whine about jews like the low iq subhumans you're. >Retvrn to riefenstahlist photographykek, leni grabbed life by the balls and achieved what she wanted to achieve. you only whine about jews all day.
>>4454697You are forgiven.
>>4454697>I'm not murricanYou still pay taxes to pedophiles. That's the funny part.>What about walker evans?This guy isn't relevant to succeeding *today*. Leave your welfare cave for once, loser. Unlike you I have a job so who controls the art world isn't impeding me as badly as it impedes you. It is, however, extremely depressing, and infuriating.Oh and who said anything about jews? I didn't say "jew" even once. That was you.
>>4454703>This guy isn't relevant to succeeding *today*.Kek, Alec Soth(a WASP) is the Walker Evans of today. Bryan Schutmaat(a white man) is the Walker Evans of upcoming generation. Keep coping for your own failures. >I didn't say "jew" even once.>winogrand, cohen, and shoreYou and your kin shills these as heckin art establishment jewish boogeymen again and again. >It is, however, extremely depressing, and infuriating.If your is taking this much toll then leave your job or otherwise you are in for a miserable life.
>>4454706to whom does soth cateryou know to whom. to deny the consequences of who owns what is idiocy.
>>4454716There is no convincing you people. You people just find reasons to whine more about jews. There is no difference between you and jewish shills. Yet I never see jew whines making threads about photography that they enjoy. Imagine being fill with so much garbage. For the record I am the Leni Riefenstahl fanboy. Despite my shilling nobody seems to give a shit about her too. When the thread die the discussion about her also die. And no one mentions her after that. Also I just sick of hearing about jews, positive or negative. Imagine giving them so much importance that you can't discuss the things that you care without mentioning them. Insane shit.
>>4454721People don't talk about other photpgraphers that much here but if you look into the past you'll see you're far from the only one to bring up Riefenstahl. The Nazi tripfags mention her and Olympia frequently.
>>4454749I have been on this board for more than a decade. >People don't talk about other photpgraphers that muchThat's every photography community ever. They don't give a shit about photography. They just want to whine about jews, inflate their egos about the virtue of pressing a shutter button and shilling gear.
>>4454755There is, mind you, a difference between not giving a shit about photography and not giving a shit about photographers.
>>4454760It's like saying there is a difference between liking Bach and liking music. No, those photographers ARE photography.
>>4454762You can love Kokomo without caring much about Mike Love.
>>4454775Yeah but the difference is that song was made by someone other, that is music. I am talking about the photography of those photographers not their personal life.
>>4454762I like to play music more than I like to listen to music made by other people.
>>4454784What about food, books, films, paintings, tv shows and the architecture of your house? Do you also make them?
>>4442407I think we gained alot of pictures and videos
>>4454721>there is no convincing you people that jews do not gatekeep artthat is because they literally do.
>>4454790I make my food yeah.
>>4454721This. The people crying and obsessing about them are unwittingly playing into their hands.
>>4454776>that song was made by someone otherMike Love literally wrote Kokomo
>>4442407> everyone gained a cameraIf you believe life as an artist was easier because of the advantage of being rare, I completely disagree and would rather aim for something greater.
>>4442407Made me notice how 50% of people are literal drones, taking videos at live shows and even fireworks (?!) that they should KNOW they'll never ever watch again instead of enjoying the show. I'm fine with taking a short video for the sake of sharing it on Instagram or as a souvenir, but recording the whole show with your phone is retarded.
>>4442407we lost a lot of ufo and bigfoot and ghost sightings for sureall that time people were saying "if only I had a camera" and now they do and even then they mysteriously malfunction just at the right times...
>>4456033If only I had an UFO I'd certainly want it to disable cameras. Now the Sasquatch stuff was always a hoax. Note that I said UFO not ayys.
