Film photos from the last few months + some thoughts.
>>4459998I was primarily a digital shooter for the last few years, with the Lumix LX3 being my main camera, however this year I chose to shoot as much film as possible. My first observation is that even compared to my 2008 point and shoot, the effective resolution of film ranges from about the same, to considerably worse.
>>4460000Quads checkem' Additionally when using vintage lenses, the sharpness is heavily dependent on the aperture used, with the lens being largely softest wide open. With these two elements combined I feel that it can be actually quite difficult to get film precisely right. However, when it does come together the results feel better than anything I've gotten digitally. There's a perfect combination of softness, grain and colour which really hits right.
>>4460000>I was primarily a digital shooterOh it shows
>>4460001I dig this one, can't ever get enough cinestill in one's life))
>>4460001People pay a premium for this cineslop LMAO
>>4460006>nophoto You really showed him, for sure.
>>4460109kek, nice seething
>>4460001Meant to continue the thread, but a friend dropped by. All the photos were taken on a Leica M4. As for the camera, it's pretty nice, and comes with some donwsides as well as benefits. One of the main benefits is that the focusing is really accurate, and continues to be accurate in low light, which is something split prism SLRs can struggle with. Additionally it is easier to shoot handheld at longer shutter speeds due to the lack of a mirror.Main benefit for me is the size, as the camera fits in my cross body bag and is easy to take with.The downsides are that I generally find it more difficult to visualise an image without the ability to preview the depth of field, and that the lack of a built in light meters requires the use of an external device/attachment. This can be mitigated with sunny 16, but that of course only applies during the day, and outdoors. In terms of lenses I use a Jupiter-8 50mm, or a Voigtländer 35mm f1.4.Nothing particularly special about the camera, but I do like it. A decent SLR presents much better value however. >>4460007It's actually Portra 800, the halations would otherwise be much stronger.Pic related is Cinestill.
>>4460386I really like how night photos look on film. There's an effect with old horror movies, and some newer ones (think 28 days later) where watching these films on older screens, such as CRTs has the films looking better than on 4K monitors/TVs. If you don't believe me, try it for yourself, I named 28 days later specifically, as when I went back to watch the movie in "good quality", a lot of the flaws and limitations of the early digital cameras used to film some of the movie, fell apart. I think there is a similar issue with night photos on modern cameras. The dynamic range, especially in the shadows, is so great that the image can lose some of the atmosphere and contrasts which make a night photo good.Film with it's limited dynamic range in the shadows can really work very well then with night photography. And even when exposing with a bias towards the shadows, the highlight latitude can easily allow images in which the brighter parts are not blown out.
>>4460387This is Kodak Ektachrome E100, from my first roll of colour positive film.I really enjoyed the images I got out of it, and in terms of resolution, it is maybe the only film I used that matched (and may have even outresolved) the digital cameras which I've used. Scanning colour positive is quite a different process however. I currently have two scanning setups, one being a Plustek 8200i dedicated film scanner, and the other being a camera scanning setup using a Sony A7IV.Slide film is not handled well at all by the Plustek, with the dynamic range being limited compared to the results achievable by camera scanning. This is largely due to the better dynamic range in the shadows with the Sony A7IV.Hence, by slightly underexposing the scan with the camera scan, the highlights in the slide can be retained better, while also being able to pull massive amounts of detail out of the shadows. This results in a surprisingly decent dynamic range out of Ektachrome. Additionally even though Ektachrome is daylight balanced, when camera scanning in RAW, white balance can be easily altered, and colour shifts softened.
>>4460387>I think there is a similar issue with night photos on modern cameras. The dynamic range, especially in the shadows, is so great that the image can lose some of the atmosphere and contrasts which make a night photo goodI feel like this comes from people just trying to hit middle-grey exposure with their meters instead of realising that depending on how much black is in the scene you're more likely meant to be aiming for -2 or -1 EV. Film kind of just prevents you from overexposing at night because unless you're shooting 1600 speed film there's no way you're hitting 18% grey overall.
>>4460389I like how this image looks purely based on atmosphere, but it could have done with another 2 extra stops of light. >>4460390This is a great point. Meters going for an average exposure across the frame don't work well in scenes where the dynamic range is so extreme. Hence why spot metering should be preferred at night, but I think as a rule -1, to -2 EV is probably a pretty good rule of thumb to get images digitally at night with good contrast.
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>>4460396Editing Cinestill feels a bit difficult, as I never can really decide between going for true blacks, or slightly faded blacks.
>>4460398The A'dam Tower, one of the first things you see upon leaving the station in Amsterdam Centraal.
>>4460399The rural Netherlands is peak comfy. Fields, old farmhouses and fresh air.
>>4460400While the Netherlands is historically a Protestant dominated country, the southern provinces, North-Brabant and Limburg are predominantly catholic.
>>4460402Kodak Gold becomes my favourite film stock in the soft light of the evening sun. The colours just hit.
>>4460403I'll leave it here for now. I've still got a lot to learn about film, but I'm pretty happy with some of my photos.My main limitation at the moment feels like speed, I take too long to meter the shot and focus that it feel almost impossible to capture moving subjects properly. I think this will get better with time and practice. Glad /p/ is still alive after 4chan disappeared a while back, there is nowhere else I'd rather talk about photography at.
Thanks for making a photo thread anon!I'm more fond of your concert photos since it seems you still have some things to learn in terms of compositionSome compositions are almost alright like these>>4460398>>4460402>>4460001not sure if there might be some small exposure errorsBut who cares, you seemed to have had fun and you took photos, that's already more than half of what this board contributes>>4460403I woouldve taken this one 1 hour earlier to have more sun or since there was less light taken it with the light hitting the bike, but that's just me
>>4460404Aperture priority manual focus or even full auto 90s blobs can be had pretty cheap and they're a lot of fun. Just not having to touch the shutter speed speeds things up a lot, even if you still have to adjust the aperture in the ballpark.
I'm a fan of your LX3 work. I see potential with film, but I don't think it adds value with your style of photography.And as you said >the effective resolution of film ranges from about the same, to considerably worse.But keep at it if you like it. I look forward to your next pictures.My favourites :>>4460001>>4460392
>>4460406Composition is indeed something I can work on in these pics, also no coincidence that the concert photos are the only ones with an actual strong subject lolI like the backlitness of the bike photo to be honest, it's definitely a mainly 'feel' over quality photo, so the technical aspects fall a bit to the wayside.>>4460412This is true, but where the blobs compromise is in longevity. Arguably this doesn't matter due to price, but I like the idea of being able to use the same camera 20-40 years from now. In terms of value and technology, the blobs do indeed obliterate every other type of film camera, that is if you *want* autofocus/aperture priority. >>4460526Glad you like my LX3 work! I think the main thing I've discovered, is that even apart from the digital/film medium, I've become incredibly comfortable with the LX3 to the point that other cameras feel off. I can easily operate on full manual one handed, flash is convenient, and the 24-70 lens is all the focal length I need. Last year I got a full frame digital, and I still haven't taken a photo on that camera that I'm really proud of, even though theoretically if you only look at specs, that should be easier.There is a crazy amount of benefit in familiarity with a tool, and a surprising difficulty in switching away from that.I do like film, and in my editing I've mostly always worked towards the "film look", which despite being misunderstood, and poorly defined is a tangible thing, closest I ever came was with dehancer. Real film feels much more natural than dehancer ever has though, because the look that dehancer gives isn't film, in reality it's a "dehancer look". The experience of using actual film however, definitely feels like stepping into unfamiliar ground, awkward and clumsy, a bit like the first few months of photography, not quite there. I think this will change with practice, but that takes time. TL;DR I need to git gud.
>>4459998How do you edit your film photos? I feel like i cant get mine clear enough.
Some new shots from a recent roll of Ektachrome 100 Plus which expired 20 years ago. Holds up surprisingly well. >>4461537I scan with either a Plustek 8200i or a Sony a7IV and then I invert with Lightroom + Negative Lab Pro.
>>4465918I wish this guy hadn't sat down while I was setting up the tripod.
>>4465919Another underground shot.
>>4465920I like this parking complex a lot. Feels very unique.
>>4465921Het Binnenhof.The political center of the Netherlands.Construction on the gothic building in the centre began in 1280.
>>4465922Woops looks like I forgot to crop.The flags down below are the provinces of the country. The one that looks like a tablecloth with red and white tiles is North Brabant, which I consider to be the coziest.
>>4465923Not a great photo, but mainly taken for documentary purposes.This was in the royal academy for the visual arts, which was having a show for students finishing their studies.This wall was in the process of being covered in photos of the wall. On the right is a Hasselblad, the person behind this was taking shots of the wall, 12 per roll, then developing and printing the roll and placing it on the wall. Was interesting to watch.
>>4465925Another photo from the academy.Most of the photos shown were not super great, but what they did better than what I see online most of the time was consistency of subject and long term projects.
>>4460393Why the fuck is that woman playing an electric bass upright with a bow?
>>4465961Why wouldn't she if she can?
>>4465961It's fretless
