Summer's over, did you get shit done? editionAll video related questions and discussion is intended for this thread. Here we discuss techniques, gear and anything else related to capturing video footage. Please don't pretend to be an expert if you don't know what you're talking about. Kindly leave your ego at the door.Posting short films/scripts or other work you've done is encouraged.We tend to use and recommend DSLRs/mirrorless cameras because they provide phenomenal picture quality for their price, have large sensors (ie the same size used in high-end cinema cameras and higher) and have interchangeable lenses.In contrast, consumer camcorders often have much smaller sensors and a fixed lens.>STICKY - https://text.is/QZ1J>Helpful guide, additional books and more in-depth FAQs - https://web.archive.org/web/20200926115310/https://pastebin.com/kG0gRmTZ>NO ONE CARES WHAT AN EXPERT YOU THINK YOU ARE. IF YOU’RE ASKING BASIC-AS-SHIT QUESTIONS, YOU CAN’T BE ALL THAT GREAT. SEE ABOVEPrevious thread >>4450377Quick FAQS>what’s the best camera available on a “budget”?The blackmagic pocket cinema camera 4k, or the Panasonic gh5 (can pick one up for like 500 bucks atm)>what’s a good beginner video camera?Anything that works, shoots at least 1080p and preferably has interchangeable lenses. Any recommendation beyond that will cause arguments so read the fucking sticky if that isn't satisfactory.>What's a good sound solution that won't break the bank?Zoom h1>Can I use a zoom lens for video?Yes>Do I need cine lenses?No>Do I need 4k?No. 1080 looks great on a cinema screen. 4k looks better.>Can someone tell me if my video is any good?Yes, but be prepared to receive harsh criticism. If you're going to waste 5 minutes of our time with a shitty out-of-focus montage of nothing then we'll tell you that it's crap>Is it okay to dox myself?...Personally I wouldn't but what do I know?
>>4467266>if I invent a strawman that didn't happen then you look very silly
How the fuck do you guys find cool locations to film at? Don’t want to use my shitty apartment, don’t want to use stupid public crowds/areas, don’t want to pay AirBnb and still potentially get a lawsuit.
>>4467589I've used airbnb before, but that was years ago and I'd be wary of doing it again now that every property has cctv cameras inside and they tack on cleaning charges for everything.I've found a lot of success in town hall spaces. They tend to be relatively cheap, central, and can be implied to be basically any location you need. If you're prepared to do proper set decoration, then they're even more perfect because they tend to be pretty large open spaces that can easily accommodate set builds and large lights.
>>4467589Go on peerspace and get a legit place to film. It’s cheap where I live and you don’t need insurance. At least not where I live, if you live in LA or NYC or another famous filmmaking area it might cost you a lot more to use peerspace then if you live in the middle of nowhere where filmmaking isn’t a big thing.
>>4467624>It’s cheap where I liveCan you give me a ballpark for a day rate?
>>4467624There are only 3 locations on there for my town and they're all £100/hour. I live in the middle of nowhere
prores raw, genlock, maybe open gate?is it going to be any good (for what it is)?
>>4467865It's still a fucking phone. It's probably quite nice to have as a bcam and everyday cam. For guerilla shooting it's unparalleled. But for serious work just buy a fucking camera.
>>4467820That’s what I’m seeing as well. You can rent an Airbnb for $150 for the entire day. Might just try to send messages to a handful asking if I can rent the place and if they mind I shoot a video there.
>>4467865What the hell are those measurements?>.5 1 2 4 8Can't be ND
>>4467678Anywhere from $25 (podcast rooms) to over $300 an hour (fancy places). Cheaper rates don’t allow nudity alcohol or smoke machines.
>>4467946> shoot a video thereIf you are not in a major filmmaking hub LA or NYC they are more likely to say yes especially if you don’t become obnoxious to other people while you’re filming that the Airbnb. If you are in LA or NYC you’ll probably need to pay more because major filmmaking hubs suck.
>>4467997>$25/hrOk, that’s doable. Guess I can…make a short film about…a podcast?>$300/hr >$2,400/daylmao
>>4467993zoom, some of them will be cropped
>>4468044It used to be a much better deal if you booked for 8 hours, you’d only need to pay for four hours. Those deals are long gone and peerspace has gotten way more expensive. The other thing that sucks now is that peerspace tends to double book so you rent gear (which isn’t something I do) you could lose money because you’d have your gear and no place to shoot. I have rented those very cheap motel rooms for a shoot, but that’s risky.
>>4468152>very cheap motel rooms>that’s riskyHow so? They see you carrying shitload of gear in and knock on the door in a few hours? Send someone to steal your shit?
>>4468256Somebody doing something illegal in another motel room (drugs or hookers or laying low after another crime) sees your camera gear and thinks your filming them.
>>4467865The only thing it's missing is the 32-bit meme audio.
>>4468270lol how is 32-bit float a meme?
>>4468280Everything's a meme to contrarian shitposters. Ignore them. Useful features are useful to you or they're not.
I think what pisses me off so much about camera youtubers is that they spend more time showing footage of themselves holding the camera and trying to look epic instead of just presenting interesting footage shot using the camera.It's fucking atrocious.
>wasting time on youtube instead of shootingcouldn't be me
>>4468280it's a meme because it's a technological crutch that people with a modicum of skill and conscientiousness never had a need for24 bit audio was historically considered excessive. it's not a game changer like being able to place a focus point anywhere in the frame or use autofocus at all, replacing the need for highly precise motor skills and extremely sharp eyesight. it's more like subject detection and tracking AF. cool for a new user but everyone who minds their own work can already place a focus point themselves. a literal disabled child can run with single point AF and a touchscreen these days.
>>4468573>people with a modicum of skill and conscientiousness never had a need forLies. It's a surprisingly common occurrence for high budget films to need to rerecord audio, or foley, because the levels unexpectedly peaked. If you ever attend film festivals, you'll see lots of films where this has happened and they couldn't afford to adr. If you watch documentaries it's also very apparent because they can't rerecord.Unexpected volume peaks happen. On top of that, it saves so much time to not have to monitor levels while recording. There's literally no reason to be this snooty about it.>it's not a game changer like being able to place a focus point anywhere in the frame or use autofocus at allWhen usable autofocus first started appearing in dslrs, people were much more critical than you about how unnecessary and detrimental it was, often using the exact same argument that it was a crutch that people with skill had no need for. It happened in this very general more times than I can count.
>>4468573>it's a meme because it's a technological crutch that people with a modicum of skill and conscientiousness never had a need forIf anything things are worse now because it wasn't like you got much time to work as a sound recorder before, now there's even less because people assume 32 will cover it, but it can't fix mic issues or placement
>>4468573>it's a technological crutchlmao
>>4468280People usually take "32bit float" to mean "you can't make this audio input clip by overloading it", but the preamp's and the converter's headroom in the analog domain are very much finite, so using a higher digital resolution doesn't solve anything and produces needlessly bigger files.The thing that can be helpful if you're unable to set the input gain control to an acceptable level is an automatic input gain feature that lowers the input gain when the signal would overload something, but this works the same way with 24bit fixed point files save for a few added dB of noise, but the noise of a 24bit file is already -144dBFS, so negligible for even high end audio production.The non-meme solution is simply to set up the input gain so that the loudest sound you expect on set doesn't overload anything, and then lower it by an additional 12dB to 24dB to make sure nothing clips even if a louder sound is recorded.
what do you think about fujifilm x-s20?
How do you manage massive video data? If I film raw and have 1TB of footage after a day of shooting. Would you delete them after editing and rendering your video? Coming from photography I always kept all raw files in order to edit them years later (which I did sometimes since my edit style changed). Alternative is to shoot in a lower format so it's easier to keep everything.. but that comes at lower quality and worse colors. Hmmm
>>4468854edit on ssd, once the project is done move it to the nas. backup really important stuff, don't worry about the snapshit tier work
Going to buy the Nikon ZR as my video camera (and some photos on the side). What Nikon Z lenses would you recommend for video? Travel, kids at home. My first one gonna be the 40mmf2 for its tiny size and small price. I read that it has lots of character too which is nice. I'm more of a 50mm guy so I may buy a 50mm1.8 later on, even it's close to the 40mm. Or the Voigtländer 50mm f2 apo which is even sharper, but only manual. And to be more flexible: 24-120mmf4. Is that a good trio?
>>4468854That’s why I like the blackmagic pocket cinema cameras. I buy a new ssd for each job. I keep the ssd drives stored. I edit the current job on my computer and I can go back and get an old ssd and edit it in resolve if I want to try new looks.
>>4468854I bought a new camera literally just because it had smaller file sizes. This is why some cameras aren't practical at all imo.But yeah, as other anons said, separate harddrives for every new project.
>>4468890out of curiousity, what camera did you buy?
>>4468895Lumix s5ii.This was a couple of years ago. I had been using a canon 5div (very underrated btw) which shot 8bit 422 4k in an mjpg format. Great quality, but 500mb/s (or thereabouts) which added up to around 256gb/hour.I contrast, my s5ii shoots 10bit 422 4k at around 150mb/s which gets around 70gb/hour (and also 420 6k that I don't use much because of how compressed it is but is around 80gb/hour).The s5iix would've been better because it has an intraframe codec but at the time it was significantly more expensive, for identical hardware, and I wasn't too bothered.
>>4468854It’s the price of doing business. Thankfully SSDs and HDDs keep getting cheaper. Edit on SSD, then label the drive and store it, or move storage files to larger HDDs.
>>4468877this has been the way for years on many systems, i know guys that keep a extra ssd so you have two per job
>>4469080I don’t know about now. But when I first got my bmpcc 4k it was the only camera that recorded directly to an ssd drive. That was the main reason I got the camera. I could go to a bestbuy before my gig and get a 1tb or 2tb ssd drive for under $250 so I’d have enough storage for the gig. This was way before covid when I actually had work filmng live bands. Now, I have nothing to do with anything because live bands haven’t picked up in my area yet even though covid is over, so I use my bmpcc 4k to shoot meme cat videos.
>>4469083>shoot meme cat videosBased
Is 4k/30 in the nlog of the nikon zf alright for some family/travel videos? Or better buy a camera that offers 4k/60? With 60 I can slow it down to 30 to get those smooth slow motion shots that are useful for some landscape, streets, or what do you think?
>>4469083recording monitors can output to ssd, also back on the original bmcc you would insert drives
So everyone's favourite web forum apparently discovered an interesting/weird trick for nikon cameras that I haven't seen here.If you take an nraw file and change the extension to r3d raw, resolve will interpret it as red footage without issue and unironically give a better image than just doing the normal nraw to nlog process.I can't test this because imagine unironically buying a nikon for video. Anyone have a camera to confirm?
>>4469137Lmao this cannot be real
>>4469140It apparently gives all the normal red controls like chroma noise reduction, while also interpreting the blues better which are notorious for clipping in nraw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7U-WysxaRw(warning, tard youtuber)
>>4469137>>4469140>>4469141So rather then giving you a r3d file after buying red, they make you do a janky hack to get it.
>>4469149...no
>take rec709 footage>cst to log>cst back to rec709>image looks different than how it started???
>>4469799>Buy a raw potatoe>Bake it. Looks good>Take baked potatoe, mash up insides, add sour cream, bacon, and scallionsAnd that's how you make a jacket potatoe guys
>>4469806'Potato' doesn't have an 'e' in it. Dumb esl
>>4469814How many languages does Paul Allen speak?
prores battle?
what free video editor is the best nowadays?
>>4471240resolve
>>4471240Windows clipchamp
>>4470630Arri wins with a tko.
>>4471240kdenlive
>>4471280How does it stack against Windows Movie Maker? hehe
>>4471353Different. Not worse or better. Windows Movie Maker at least was so simple and effective for basic edits that it's downright lovable. Kind of like classic MS Paint.Clipchamp has more features, a bit more on the bloated "freewarium" side especially considering their default file location is onedrive.I'd rather just use Movie Maker for the most basic cutting and editing etc, and get resolve or vegas pro or whatever for more complicated shit.
>the whole universe conspiring to stop me filmingFUUUUUCKThis sucks so fucking much.>location unavailable>give up>stop being a pussy, find new location>new location is also unavailable (they don't tell you their schedule by the way, you have to find out only by expressing interest)>I'm ready this time, backup location already prepared that actually has a posted schedule (it's just far less ideal)>casting website breaks after letting me spend an hour writing my casting call without saving (cause I'm a dunderhead)>type the whole thing back up for another hour>realise that retyping it doesn't fix the janky ass website>realise I'm already compromising heavy on the location and would have to rush the casting process as is, nevermind work with a janky platform that wants to fuck me over>realise it's not getting made (this year)I have to make it next year. And not even just in the new year. Snow will fuck me in January/February so I really need to wait an entire freaking year. And at that point I won't even be making the same film because people change you know? I'm so frustrated. When I eventually make this thing, it better be the best fucking film ever made because I swear I am so fucking done right now./rant/blogpost
>>4471719I know this doesn’t help- but I’m in a very similar position as you. Getting fucked out of my location DURING THE SHOOT. Spending weeks finding another suitable location. It’s a compromise of course. And season is changing to rainy season where I’m at, so I will most likely also get fucked by weather for the next 4-5 months. I’ve got a second short idea that doesn’t require that specific location, so I can always pivot to that idea, but it also feels like another compromise.It helps reading that others out there are in similar situations. Thanks for sharing- don’t give up.
>>4471719>>4471766Peerspace does that a lot. Double book. Which kind of sucks because you rent your gear and have no location to use the gear?
>>4471766I think as filmmakers it's easy to see other people, from the incredibly famous to the no-budget youtube shit, making their films on a constant basis and feel a sense of fomo. It certainly doesn't help if you read any sort of film news site/blog that's constantly keeping you updated on who's doing what. It's like how social media lulls you into thinking that everyone else is living a perfect life of constant vacations and hanging out with bikini-clad women while drinking margheritas - only the good stuff is ever posted.
>>4471981Yeah. Can’t remember who said it, but what you’re “supposed” to be doing is- always have a project in pre-production, a project in production, and a project in post-production. So you’re always moving forward and completing shit. But I don’t see how that shit is actually fucking possible 90% of the time, especially if you aren’t independently wealthy/already established. I just have a horrendous case of imposter syndrome, I feel embarrassed to call myself a “filmmaker” if I’m not actively working on something or have released something recently. I couldn’t even seriously refer to myself as a filmmaker until I had released numerous shorts and two features.
>>4471981>only the good stuff is ever postedThis. It’s like science journals only ever posting the fully funded and successfully-proven research. You’re actually holding science back by NOT posting the failures and where shit went wrong too.
>>4471984Fml. I have had my three big projects locked in that status for the last 5-7 years. One of them requires all its footage to be shot the same weekend every year, so not much I can do about how long it’s taking on that one. By the time I get my footage processed I have to wait another year to get another shot I decide I need, or gods forbid reshoots. The one in post has been in post for fucking ages awaiting the humongous audio mix, which I’ve just been able to get moving on thx to Ai stem separation, but assembling it all now is like making a couple of Pink Floyd albums. A giant mix of a million very precise pieces. The one in Pre is actually the farthest along, bc it’s an archival doc and I’ve inadvertently amassed all the source material by now, I just haven’t even put a basic outline of the project together bc every time I get 5 minutes of time, I spend it on the other 2. But in my mind, I think I can make “something cool” out of it all. Great.I’ll be 90 by the time I finish any of them, and probably they’ll all be finished at the same time. when I’m dead.
>>4472009>requires all its footage to be shot the same weekend every year>giant mix of a million very precise piecesJesus, what kind of films are you trying to make? You can shoot some easier, more practical projects, man…
>>4472220It sounds to me like he’s shooting a yearly event like a music festival, concert or some sporting event and wants to make a documentary about that event using footage shot live at the event. I don’t know what else only lets you shoot footage of it once a year. I also don’t know why the anon doesn’t use multiple cameras to get all of the footage he needs in a year like the film makers who made Gimme Shelter (the documentary about the free concert in California that turned into the documentary about the murder that happened during that concert.)
What do you guys all shoot when you're not making anything specific? Do you shoot stuff just for fun?
>>4473285
If anyone can recommend a /t/ for a relatively recent release of cc, that would be great. [blog] I just requested to reduce my hours at work down to part time, so that I can focus on my passion project (experimental film), but now my budget is very tight [/blog]All I could find on here were:>>>/t/1212777>>>/t/1287963Both the same, and appear to be the outdated CS as they're labelled as "master collection" (I'm guessing the "2022" is for the torrent release, as CS got discontinued in 2012, along with the master collection branding).And:>>>/t/1297131I'll probably give this a shot, as it's labelled as CC, but it would be cool to have a fellow /p/een directly endorse a release for my peace of mind.>>4468570>showing footage of themselves holding the camera and trying to look epic You have to understand, they are the face of their own brand, and showing off the product is secondary to promoting their brand.>>4468579>they couldn't afford to adrAI tools. ElevenLabs (paid) and Adobe Podcast Enhance (free), can both be used to remove instances of peak.>>4468854>How do you manage massive video dataVery large files I'm unlikely to ever need again gets deleted, but the master copy of the completed project gets archived at full quality. But still, the majority of footage I have shot over the years remains archived, with backups. It's a real problem.>>4473285>Do you shoot stuff just for fun?Insects, flowers, birds, re-shooting the same subjects like mountains and trees in each season in all weather conditions (to make flip-book/timelapse sequences). That's why I have a smart phone, ready to shoot, anytime, anywhere. Perfect videos to accompany my stream of consciousness narrative style.
>>4473430>they're labelled as "master collection"Ignore what I said here, turns out people releasing CC bundles continue using "master collection"
>>4473430>AI tools. ElevenLabs (paid) and Adobe Podcast Enhance (free), can both be used to remove instances of peak.This sort of highlights the issue. There are solutions that aren't being utilised. Why? Because that requires knowledge of its existence and skill to implement, along with additional time spent actually doing it. It all adds up. There are hundreds of "solutions" in post to every issue. But anyone with experience knows that fixing it in the shoot is always preferable to fixing it in post.
what's the least retarded mic setup for nature sounds on a camera while hiking? my camera does ok video but has trash built in mics. i'm not recording people or myself, just nature sounds. clippy with wind screens on backpack straps?
>>4473752Have you tried buying an external recorder and then experimenting with a cheap lav mic and a cheap omni mic? See which sounds better for you, and then invest in a more expensive one
>>4474496>have you tried [anything]obviously not
>>4474992a $40 shotgun mic off amazon will be better than your camera tenfold. Only the aspergers-tier nerds require more for amateur video. The directional nature will mean less shit picked up behind the camera (your mouth breathing, clicking knobs etc.) so look for a directional mic as some are omnidirectional which is le bad.
Hey guys, I am going to shoot a video course in my home. It's a small apartment and I don't want to build out a full studio. So I will shoot against a white wall. Now, I know how to replace the background later in Adobe Premier. But any tips on how to generate a nice background with AI that will fit in perfectly in terms of perspective?I'm going to shoot with a 35mm lens (on full frame) about 2 meters away. So basically I have camera, then me 2 meters away, and then another 1 meter to the wall. I am sitting at a desk.I'd like to create a nice living room as a background.
>>4475811just use this
>>4474997>t.
12 hour shooting day yesterday, fucking exhausted right now. Lit the environment (a kitchen) and had to completely remove nearly everything visible on the kitchen countertops. Shot 4 different camera setups (2 involving dialogue, 1 involving dolly movement), then 5 quick b-roll shots. Then had to setup the kitchen again exactly how we found it of course. I feel like we should have gotten something like this done way faster. Oh well.
>>4476272>had to completely remove nearly everything visible on the kitchen countertopsWhy?
>>4476496It's called cinema, you wouldn't get it
>>4476496Looked like shit. Also had to remove shit from the walls, shit from the fridge/doors, etc. I’d say tearing down the kitchen for my own set design and then putting everything back took up majority of the time, then next was lighting design (6 lights, each set on their own custom dimming/strobe timers). Actual filming didn’t take very long.Watched some of the footage back- god I love Blackmagic. Used the gyro stabilization in Resolve- the dolly shot is silky fucking smooth. Insane shit.
>>4476496artistic intent my man
>>4467259I havent shot with my big spendy digi camera system in a year. Instead I have bought over two dozen vintage movie cameras and gotte very good at CLAing and rebuilding/fixing them. I just wanted one nice one for myself, but then discovered that certain parts of each model & generation were done better or worse than others, so before I knew it, I had a plan to build myself an ultimate model. Lucky for me they're relatively cheap to buy (cheaper than one that's already been CLA'd) so now I've spent the last few months building myself the ultimate 16mm movie camera while also building a supply of other (honestly perfectly fine) working cameras. I think, before I sell them, I'll put on a film contest, get all the local art kids signed up, put into groups of 3, and give them a week to write and shoot their film, then send the reels out for developing and have a film festival day where everyone is invited to come and watch all the movies and celebrate with drinks and group sex wait no, nevermind we'd need a liquor license for the drinks and everyone would have to be an adult to take part in that. Ok so anyway I think I'll need about a dozen reels of film and afterwards I'll uploady to vimeo where no one will ever see them. f. maybe internet archive bc at least it'll be searchable and stick around. Youtube is fucking worthless and the fucks will just plaster ads all over it and never deliver the money anyway. Anyway that's why I haven't been out shooting with my still camera, I find still images kind of stifling compared to the movement of even a single branch of autumn leaves fluttering in the breeze.
>>4476675>vintage movie camerasBrand/models?
>>4476675>I havent shot with my big spendy digi camera system in a year.I haven't filmed anything in almost 2 years. I'm literally dropping several thousand making a film in a few weeks because of this.The great thing is that cameras have gotten so good in the last 5 or so years that any half decent camera from that time period will still hold up great today (which wasn't the case 10 years ago where you'd buy a camera and it'd feel outdated within 2 years easy)
>>4476718>cameras have gotten so good in the last 5 or so yearsIt’s pretty insane. Made me finally get a BMCC6KFF once I finally looked into modern cameras.
>>4476778What's so ridiculous is that relatively cheap cameras are so good that I find myself nitpicking the stupidest shit. Like with the bmc6k, my immediate thought is "damn, if only it had ibis and a better rolling shutter" while forgetting that it records great quality raw 6k full frame video in a multitude of compressed formats that spoil you for choice.Infuriating. Marketing is very effective at making me think all the new advances with their diminishing returns are necessary.
>>4476789Yeah, not only did I not give a fuck about those “issues”, but they’re both actually solved if you edit the footage in Resolve. Even more insane.I kinda went down that hole when looking at built-in ND filters and autofocus. Decided neither of those things matter on a “professional shoot”- you’d be wanting to use higher quality ND filters and manually focusing/LIDAR anyway.
>>4476814I have pouches of nd/ir but having built in nd still tempts the shit out of me, the guys i knew that had bodies with that were documentary shooters, but I agree that it's unnecessary in situations where you have full control
>>4477019I saw some comparison tests between in-body and third party, and third party won every time. That was enough to justify for me not having it, plus yeah you can always go for even more convenience with a variable as well
Given the option between a Fuji X-H2S (or the inevitable X-H3S likely coming next year) and a Lumix S1ii as a small and versatile video kit, which would you choose?Both look very interesting to me.
>>4477027Personally? S1ii just because of full frame and dynamic range.As long as you're not filming outside in the blaring sun the s1ii is a beast from what I understand.
>>4477028I do shoot a lot in low light (both videos and photos) so the full frame would definitely be beneficial.I've seen great footage with both cameras and just doing some research.
>>4477019I want that built in nd filter but I shoot live bands doing concerts irl to swapping nd filters is a no go for me. I’m looking for an electronic nd filter that would go into a matte box as a filter so I can use any camera I want, but I haven’t found one that is available for me to buy yet?
>>4477027All you need is an a7c and a 35mm f2.8
>>4477059Do you know how good the a7c is when shooting with anamorphic lenses?I really like the anamorphic look and 2.35:1 aspect ratio. The S1ii has built in desqueeze and stuff like that (I think the Fuji has too). I'd be surprised if the Sony didn't, but I've never really looked into Sony cameras because I found them a little bit boring even though they're great.Although it seems like you're making a massive compromise shooting with anamorphic lenses unless it's a full on ten billion dollar Hollywood camera setup. It's going to be pretty wonky no matter which brand you shoot with. I just love that look and would like to get a nice video setup where I can go full anamorphic.A different problem though is, combing that footage with drone footage from something like the DJI mini 5 pro. The look and quality is just so different.
>>4473752A handheld stereo recorder such as the Zoom H1 mounted on the hot shoe.It's not upgradable but it's cheap and convenient and it works well.You definitely want stereo recording for nature sounds.>>4475811>I'm going to shoot a video course>how do I generate a background using AI>35mm 2m away from a person for a narrationI hope the subject isn't video or photography.>>4477027S1ii by a long shot.
