I made it. I am finally in photography school. I don't care if it costs heaps. At least I get to spend time doing what I like.
It literally costs nothing to go outside and take photos.
>>4467431>It costs nothing to snapshitI want to make it as an art photographer, not as someone who makes boring stuff that only has meaning to me.
Kek.
>>4467430Based anon Good luck
>>4467438Thanks. I know that I will enjoy the real community I will find on campus. I realised that Instagram isn't going to help me grow. The types of photos that go viral on there are the most simplistic because they need to survive the scrolling nature of social media. /p/ is good enough but do people here really dwell on complex photographs? Or do they just want to troll?
>>4467430>13k per semesteri was gonna hate but hell man if you can get your output to this level in your 4 years while networking and scoring gigs, youd have no trouble making a secure and profitable career for yourselfi wish you the best anon>>4467439post them, I will dwell
>>4467430>"The median salary for a photographer is around $40,000 to $42,000 per year"You can't be serious.Not when everyone has a smartphone that takes almost just as good of pictures.What exactly is your plan after graduation? How do you plan on making money or getting a job? Jobs that don't exist.You do things you like as a hobby. Not for work.I think this post is just trolling. No one is actually that stupid to pay $13k a semester in a scam.
>>4467439>I realised that Instagram isn't going to help me grow. But Insta is absolute essential to market your work and network with other photographer. I have found cool people there just by DM'ing them and then meeting them in person or just talking to them about their work. All art photographers are there. If you are talking about growing aesthetically as a photographer then there is only one way to grow and that is to study the work of great photographers that you enjoy and then practicing a ton. Checkout these threads >>4466844 >>4465912College is just for networking and making contacts with your professor and like minded people to get your foot in the door of industry. >/p/ is good enough but do people here really dwell on complex photographs? Or do they just want to troll?/p/ is a mixed bag. Most of effort posters left 6 years ago. But sometimes you do get >>13k per semesterI think that's a lot anon. Why not apply to better colleges in UK and US?
>>4467441I wonder if Lifetouch and other school photographers are lumped in with this metric. I made $8/hr back in 2014 doing it and my title was "Photographer". My job was basically to raise and lower a camera, attempt to make toddlers smile and pose, and press buttons. Absolutely the McDonald's of photography.
>>4467435What does your work look like now?
>>4467430https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM
>>4467515He doesn’t have any, he had a fleeting urge to become a photographer and decided to blow money at a retarded school.
>photography studies college Seems legit
>>4467523I'm not posting my stuff here, it's a waste of IP. Pro-tip: I needed to submit a portfolio to get admitted.>>4467527It's the best, hands-on college for photography in my country.
>>4467531Have you met the infamous /p/ legend eggy? He is also an aussie from Brisbane.
>>4467523half of what he's gonna be learnjng is business stuff for photography the other half is gonna be post and film processing
>>4467536Remaining 3rd half would be getting his dick sucked by an arthoe in the darkroom
>>4467535I don't go to Brisbane but I'm from North Queensland.
>>4467536>Starting 81,000 Aussie bucks in the redMost business savvy /p/ poster. Nigger could buy a Hasselblad/Leica system and spend the rest touring the world developing his craft. Instead he’ll be stuck in some course made for the lowest common denominator. >>4467531>Yeah this place I have to pay $13,500 a semester for liked my work!Lmao congrats, they’ve determined you have the capacity to operate a camera. It’s been a fun bait thread, hopefully if another anon is considering doing something similar, he’ll be dissuaded.
>>4467543The worst comparison in my head is 81k AUD spent, and how many PLACES you could go with that dough. Just spend $5k on a top-tier Nikcannot setup and go fucking SEE EVERYTHING. If you gave me the chance to see half the world or sink eighty thousand into a course where they teach you how to take well lit dick pics, it's a no brainer.
>>4467553>take will lit dick picsgotta have a zyzz compilation of my dick pics
>>4467531>I'm not posting my stuff here, it's a waste of IP.If you don't want to share your pictures and instead view them as "IP" you've already started on the wrong foot anon. There are lots of reasons to take photos but building up a super sekrit special IP backlog is a pretty terrible one
>>4467543>>4467553He will have a career and meet like minded people in real life while you faggots will keeping on gearfagging and taking one billion photos of flowers and shit. All of you are dumb as shit. Just fuck off back to >>>/sci/ with your "common sense" sport jock meat head tier thinking because art is gay and doing a humanities degree is foolish, right? Leave him alone.
>>4467565no one is telling him to not do this
>>4467565Holy shit you sound like a massive fag.>He will have a careerBased on what? The art hoe giving the professors handys on the reg has an astronomically higher shot at success than anon would even with insane talent and skill.
>>4467565>He will have a careerI don’t see that included with the degree>Meet like minded people Join a Facebook group>Art is gayNever said that>humanities degree>Humanities are academic disciplines that study aspects of human society and culture, including certain fundamental questions asked by humans.Hmm let’s see, what would I choose in order to study human society and culture, a 80k degree or 80k worth of traveling the world? Gee this is tough.
I know 3 cashiers who went down the same path.
>>4467569>had to look up what a humanities degree was NGMI
>>4467531Then leave the board until you're no longer a nophoto>Pro-tip: I needed to submit a portfolio to get admitted.This doesn't mean anything lol
>>4467430>>4467435I'll be real with you OP; experience is all that matters. I never went to any art or photography school and just went out with my camera every weekend, then after about 2 or so years I left my desk job and got hired as a photographer for a large company with a salary (so I get paid whether there is work that week or not, very comfy).Funnily enough I'm also in Melbourne kek.>>4467535I've been to Brisbane a lot to see family but I've never met Eggy, though I have seen him twice in Queen St Mall but never approached. If I recall correctly, he's there everything 3rd Saturday of the month or something like that.
>>4467642I want to be an art photographer, not a commercial photographer. Good for you, though.
>>4467661nigga you are trying to enter an absolute niche, unless you are supremely talented and have a good folio, you're trying to ice skate up a hill.
>>4467662It's better than working a soul destroying job. I'd rather do what I love.
>>4467661>Art>Not commercial How do you think the art photographers make a living if not through commercial means?
>>4467665you're missing what i'm saying bro. if you do this course and end up with nothing to show but a degree and working in a coffee shop with a big debt, is that still doing what you love? a lot of art and photography students end up that way.like i said, if you are supremely talented, you have a chance, but otherwise, its a huge ass risk.
>>4467636>Getting a worthless degree to shoot worthless photosGrimola. Post ONE photo OP, surely you have enough IP to spare for the thread.
>>4467439>I know that I will enjoy the real community I will find on campusYou're going to interact with the most pretentious and pseudo intellectual people you've ever met in your life.t. did art in uni and dated some art girls, annoying as fuck but hot
>>4467661Telling kids they could be anything they want was a mistake
>>4467686School should actually try to teach something useful like how to do taxes or about careers that are in demand, instead you learn about Shakespeare and types of mathematics that the average person will never have to use.
>>4467689I already did a stint as a teacher and you’re probably way less qualified than me. I undertook a PhD, left when my supervisor was being an arsehole, and have held various jobs. I am a published author and poet, and want to make it as an art photographer. You can make all the snapshit you want as you wageslave your life away. I’m at least going to do what I like.
>>4467697The fuck are you talking about? All I said was how I feel about school.
>>4467683Here’s a freebie. I’m not going to use it for prints nor my portfolio. Critique it all you like.
>>4467697>"school kinda sucks">reply is an insecure cope postkek
>>4467699Poor bait, not even OP is dumb enough to post a phone image. Good try though.
>>4467698Well, I know how school works. I know how taxes work. I know about working a full time job. It’s what everyone knows about because working and schooling are mandatory in any developed society. Whinge all you want about curricula—, I’ve heard it all before. It’s not interesting to me.
>>4467702It’s a DSLR picture.
>>4467689>MUUUUUUH UTILITY EVERYTHING NEEDS TO HAVE A PURPOSE KEK, you are a literal salves.
>>4467697What are your favorite photographers?
>>4467713A place with the specific purpose of teaching stuff? Truly a silly concept.
>>4467714Trevor Wisecup is my primary inspiration.
>>4467535The fuck, so many brisbane niggas here.>>4467527I can clarify it is not the best.
>>4467718>I can clarify it is not the bestWhich is the best place to study photography? RMIT?
>>4467719>Which is the best place to study photography?nta but real life with real experience, same as painting.
>>4467719What >>4467721 said, but yes, RMIT is better. QUT and Griffith also are also better, but more importantly you make more connections at bigger unis and the accreditation is far more valuable on a resume, which are the only two reasons to go to university.
>>4467717Then you are SEVERELY deficient in photography education. >>4467718>>4467719>>4467721Which photography schools Trent Parke and Bill Henson went to?
>>4467717I don't wanna be rude, but I would like to know what you like about his work.
>>4467717LMAO
>>4467721>same as painting.Crazy because almost all of the contemporary good painters went to painting schools. Even greats like da Vinci went to a painting workshop.
>>4467727Workshops are a very different thing to a full blown multi-year degree. Infact, a lot of photographers even just start with workshops, since they're still everywhere and just give you the basics to get started. After that, it's all you.
>>4467727Painting is a bit different, it requires a lot of hard skills that take more than just knowledge of their existence - repetition, strategies to improve. Photography features far fewer of these, and can be learned through books much easier, there are far fewer variables. But by all means, if you think a university professor will help you, go ahead. Just don't be a nasty little incel when you get there and actually bother to be social and make friends / connections, as that's like half the value of university.
>>4467725That’s not me, anon. My favourite photographer is Joel-Peter Witkin, then it is Sally Mann.
>>4467731>Sally MannAnon...
>>4467730>Just don't be a nasty little incel when you get there and actually bother to be social and make friends / connections, as that's like half the value of university.Considering his spergout earlier about all his 'achievements', he will almost certainly annoy everyone.
>>4467731Lol
>>4467733Annoying is fine, art degrees are typically full of annoying people.
>>4467735What’s wrong with that? >>4467733Sorry about the spergout. I’ve just been gardening all day and didn’t realise how dehydrated and tired I was. Please excuse me.
>>4467727And did you know that they also painted on commission? Same as what OP ripped on some other guy earlier for.
>>4467731Two Jews with shock value and no contemplation value. Joel-Peter Witkin plagiarized Giuseppe Arcimboldo Sally Mann plagiarized Emmet Gowin
>>4467738No…. commercial photography is making fashion ads or pictures for cookbooks. A commission for a painting is still art.
>>4467739>descends into anti-semitism Alright. Now I know not to listen to you guys. My low self-esteem made me think you might actually be arguing in good faith.
>>4467740>No…. commercial photography is making fashion ads or pictures for cookbooksYou have no idea what's out there for photographers and it's painfully obvious. Funny that you're doing a 13k per year course with no idea what the job market for photography is actually like or even what is entailed in commercial photography.You're a universities dream student honestly.
>>4467741I am sorry for bringing that up. But they are not original.
>>4467741he gave you good points for his argument and you're just going "la la la cant hear you" in response.
>>4467742I'm not getting into photography for a career making ads. I'm doing it to make art films and sell my own prints of artistic objects.
>>4467742Sorry that I don't want to snap portraits and wedding photos for peanuts.
>>4467747Not all commercial photography is ads, brainlet. That's a very small portion of the industry because of stock photos.
>>4467749Yeah, I forgot about being a cameraman for a news station, or taking photos of fat women in brides' gowns.
>>4467750You really have no idea at all. Good luck I guess, you're gonna need it.
>>4467751>Commercial photography uses images to advertise and sell products or services, encompassing genres like product photography and lifestyle photography for use in advertisements, websites, and marketing materials.What else am I missing? Taking photos and infrared scans for construction sites?
>>4467699Were you planning on making a living with these?
>>4467697>I am a published author and poetBut of course you can't actually cite or link these works right? Watch, I'm gonna do it next.Hey infamous hacker known as 4chin/p/, I'm an established and well renowned fine-arts dealer, AMA.See? I can make shit up with no proof as well.
>At least I get to spend time doing what I like.sucking the professors' cocks and jerking their ego for a good grade?
>>4467856>le art
>>4467856Yeah just become a hillybilly hick and take up trades and shoot meth.
>>4467729>>4467727The reason no one recommends photography school and i dont mean ITT i mean in general in comparison to art school or painting school etc is because most of what you need to know can be learned online nowadays. The most of photography school will help you with is making business connections.
>>4467904>The most of photography school will help you with is making business connections.That's literally every school ever. You go there just to get a degree while you work your ass of to learn everything on your own.
>>4467901>he needs to go to le school to take a fucking photo
Here's the tldr(you can read his in depth post in the sticky) in the /p/ sticky by tripfag "sol !!AS787Hm5LDG" who went to photography school:Studying photography is a fine line. It’s not essential, but it takes you places. It’s not important for your clients, but it gets you contacts. It’s not for everybody, but everybody that was willing to learn, learned a lot. But most importantly: It’s not the same everywhere you look. I can’t emphasize this enough: Choose the place where you want to study correctly, or you won’t share the same experiences that I did and won’t get as much out of it. If you chose correctly and manage to get through you will grow into a photographer and won’t have any problems working in the field of your dreams. But don’t get the illusion that you will suddenly be in the promised land. You still have to work very hard, be excellent and promoting yourself and still have to stand out from the crowd of photographers. Nobody out there is waiting for you, there are countless other people that can do the job as as well as you can, for less money. Nobody will care about your degree, only about your portfolio. This study path can simply show you the way and push you out of the door, it’s your job to be good. The main thing you’ll get out of this are the people and experiences, you’ll find very good friends working in the same field as you do. You’ll share jobs and recommend each other. If you manage to impress the professors you have the easiest foot in the door you can get, have a better time finding a job as an assistant as anyone else, get to know people that are usually way out of your reach. Studying photography can be a beautiful thing and the best time of your life, it can be a constant state of creativity, productivity and joy, shared with some of the best people you will get to know in life.
Another good post I have found in the archive. Photo in college is good for:>meeting and networking with established and successful photographers / agencies>practice and access to gear beyond what you might have yourself, especially lighting>easy access to models and others for collaboration (like HMUA)>structured environment for higher quality feedback>a photo student "working on a project" might give you more opportunities than just being random guy with cameraAll very much things where you get out what you put in. If you took photo classes to learn how to do photography (or do photography better), yes you are retard.If you haven't improved in 4 years, it's not the school, and it' not photography, it's simply just you. You could have instead made threads of your "work" asking for feedback, but instead you post "I still suck and don't know how to learn". It's no wonder you never improved if that's the attitude you have. You have to actually want to do better, and put a good faith effort in trying to do so. Instead, you're just too lazy to bother.
>>4467962It's much more than that. See >>4467964 >>4467965
>>4467430>melbourneOffffffffffffffff course
>>4467904Connections are questionable now because of the internet and you're spot on about being able to learn everything online too. You could probably make some connections in commercial stuff, but no actually artistically inclined people will be looking at these schools, they'll be looking for people that established themselves online already.OP is better off going to one of those workshops that lasts for a few weeks, he'd learn the same shit as at the school but for about $500 rather than $40,000.
>>4467848What’s wrong with it? Provide a critique or gtfo
>>4467856>too scared he might get negative feedback
>>4467992Melbourne is the arts centre of Australia. You’re NGMI in photography anywhere else in Australia.
>>4467995>they'll be looking for people that established themselves online already.Cite one instance of this happening.
>>4467723I might just go to RMIT for honours anyway.
>>4467878What's the point of art?
>>4468011How's that 200k LGBT traffic light working out for you while the country goes to shit
>>4467565Assuming that a degree gets you a career is one of the greatest myths of the last 50 years. If you want it bad enough, you will figure it out and fight through the rejection and gatekeeping. A degree is a nice extra, but isn't necessary for someone with a brain in their head.
>>4467699hilarious if truly OP
>>4467699if this is op they accepted you because they dont want an australian hitler
>>4468519in the arts at leastin other fields like what that anon is screeching(stem) it's necessary to get your foot in the door
>>4468431That was in London, not Australia.https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/diversity-pedestrian-traffic-signals
>>4467430Looked at their Youtube channel. That's cool, you'll learn all about photography, how to be a professional camera man, how to do different video formats and stuff like drone videography. I would have loved to do something like this.Congrats anon.
>>4467995>connections are questionable now because of rhe internetinternet connections are more questionable than college or in person connections because the internet person could easily be an automode snapshitter and if you never thought to look at their metadata or they're smart enough to remove it you'd never know unless you met them irl.Anyone can easily buy a $10k camera and take snapshits and i dont mean that insultingly i mean that genuinely
>>4468915IIRC there was an anon in the previous bpd thread taking good quality photos with a 10MP sensor. Meanwhile some people on here own $2k-5k cameras with 24+MP taking genuinely dogshit photos
