Maybe nobody cares and maybe I'm dumb to be surprised but I just want to stress how unglamorous actual pro photographers - and creatives in general - are.A lot of them are kind of losers. The image I had of photographers being cerebral, well-rounded and cultured guys has not proven to be true at all.I work in healthcare but I run a small business doing sound engineering work. I do very specialized work recording live concerts and classical music, usually working alongside photographers/video crews. A lot of them are honestly just fucking weirdos, at some point I probably was too. It's a bit like pic-related (apologies for normie meme)I mention this because prior to this I did much more paid photography gigs, but I got sick of it because a) the profit margins are a joke and b) I didn't fit in with the people there and they knew it. I'm not saying I'm better than them, but it was not the focused, intellectual crowd I hope for.An anon here once saidA that he got into photo-journalism because it is a field that vagrants and ne'er-do-wells can get into and I 100% see it.Older guys are good though, they're always helpful and polite.
intelligent people are weirdos. creative people are intelligent people, and weirdos.normality is stupidity. normality is more animal than spirit. normality is a brain unencumbered by all the details and patterns in the world so it just stumbles into a marriage, a career, and 2 kids without getting derailed or asking why.if you were put in a room with the top 100 artists and top 100 scientists in human history you would 1: not be able to tell which was which 2: get, as they say, "the ick"that feeling they're basically not even the same species as you, you're on different frequencies, and they can't even speak your language.and they would feel the same thing. but maybe less viscerally, because 190/200 of those people would have a weird fetish or outlook a normal person would be conditioned to want to commit murder over.
>>4474356You work in healthcare... But you have a career in music production?What are you, some data input drone?Well photography itself has a low entry barrier. All you need is to not think like a cheapskate and buy gear, an entry level used DSLR is enough for that requirement and that's kinda rare among the general populace.But photography doesn't require thinking, doesn't require calculating, doesn't require predicting. Just be there, and so photojournalism and street photography are done by, how to put it, nobodies.Now the shit that shows up in NatGeo, guys who shoot models etc, they have a mix of introspection and low inhibition. Can't say introversion outright because of the low inhibition factor. They ARE weirdos with low empathy who think visually and that's that. For example in the Photographer tv series from NatGeo, there was one jeet who took pictures of parasites, not because the parasite is relevant, interesting or anything, but because it hadn't been done and he found out he could. Then he opened up hatching chicken eggs and taped the exposed embryos without caring they'd get infected, and he filled them with mineral oil to solve an optics issue.In the same series there was an adrenaline junkie woman who thought of rigging led lights in a crack and shooting the silhouette at night. In her mind and speech the only things that mattered were climbing and the image.I'm not a photographer more than snapshitting animals as if they were pokemon, but in scenic places I think of where the moon could be a specific day at a specific hour to have it look cool. I never go through it because i care about safety and what my family would feel if I got stabbed or kidnapped. Career photographers don't.
>>4474361No I work as a physiotherapist. it *can* be a very intellectually (and physically) demanding field, but honestly it's not like that in my current job.The music work is infrequent but very varied. Writing, recording, doing stuff for film, etc. I often miss opportunities because the fact I have a good day job means I don't bother with less-than-ideal jobs - of which there are plenty.> But photography doesn't require thinkingPrecisely why I chose it as a hobby. In comparison to working with hospital patients or having to write a film score with a deadline, it's very simple. You coneive the idea but the execution is basically thoughtless.
>>4474363Bro, I kinda wish I had become a physiotherapist. Whenever I saw them at uni I always saw guys playing, girls in gym clothes, everyone having fun. When I did slave work in med internship rotations, I got a better sense of actually being useful, actually being part of the patient's experience by massaging sedated kids than copy pasting manually doctor orders. Medicine is so fucking soulless, and you guys end up charging the same or more for less demanding work.
>>4474365Physio has huge upsides, don't get me wrong. In a work full of fat prediabetic slobs - heck even the /fit guys have their issues - it is genuinely invaluable to know how to look after the human body through lifestyle rather than drugs. The work life balance in hospitals is good, but I'm at a clinic, wherein the balance is pretty bad. I have no regrets.However the burn-out rate for physio is extremely high, with a career lifespan of 5 years on average. It's higher in hospitals but hospitals are very tough to get into thanks to demand and the fact that they are a female-dominated workplace.The pay and conditions hit a ceiling very early on and it leaves you with very few options for progression, especially if you need to provide for a family. Starting your clinic is your only option, which comes with certain moral issues (you must forget the notion of treating efficiently). Physio is just a job to me, but music is somewhat of a passion and I'm damn good at it, so I'm continuing it. I'm also learning to code which is partly a curisoity and partly fueled by me wondering if it could lead to more work.
>>4474361>low inhibitionHow do i steal their low inhibition?It always has been my weak part. Being a pussy and not taking the action i want.And no. not by drinking. I quite drinking more than a year ago.
>>4474368Dropped out of medicine to try coding. Coding is shit. You learn to put shit together but learning to design is a whole another beast and almost never taught. Learning to code usually translates into "learning to put together a website using specialized tools", everyone is doing it, and you aready know a few specialized tools from music and photo editing i guess.>>4474371If you knew the answer you'd have solved psychology. So far the only reply offered is, Just fucking do it. Tap into your anger and shame to push yourself at the cost of stop enjoying it. Or face the fear until one day your brain is too tired to paralyze anymore.
>>4474371NTA (I'm OP) but doing paid work that I kinda hated helped a bit. I became less invested in perfectionism when I started working so much that it became a burden. Think about how much you're being paid (if at all), how important your work *truly* is and also think about how good your past work has been. Unless you're being paid a fortune, this usually leads me to realise that I'm better off being detached from my own work, almost slightly disinterested.For those times when I need to work fast and uninhibited, I very much take a "make it good-enough, not great" approach. I'm not sure if this is what you needed to hear, anon
>>4474368Can i ask something about atrophied hand, forearm muscles by Cubital tunnel syndrome and PIN compression syndrome?tldr: my hand missed the right time to be treated so it's still having problems even after a surgery.Biggest problem is flexing strength of ring finger and pinky. when i grab a camera i practically grab it only with other 3 fingers.Second biggest problem is my palm muscles weakness. I can't even play one of Czerny piano exercises because i can't press the keys with my ring finger and pinky strong enough to sound.I tried to google some home treatment for my condition. But I couldn't sort it down. And some of their suggestions are too heavy or too strong that my fingers can't even do it and holding it.
>>4474376>face the fear until one day your brain is too tired to paralyze anymoreI guess this might work to me >>4474377Ya. Especially when it becomes a job the inhibition gets decreased. i know that feeling. Thing is, personally, i'm a mere amateur photographer who shots anything that passes my inner eye during strolling the city. I hope i can deep my foot in the professional photography but i don't know what to do and how should i build my portfolio.
>>4474383You're asking about the most difficult area to treat ("small bones = big problems" as we say), but I'll try to help.Find a proper hand therapist if you can. Hand rehab is pretty tough and a bit of black magic.But as long as the nerve is still there, you have hope. There is no silver bullet to these things, you need to back off to the most simple exercise that you can do *well.* for you that might be scrunching paper or wringing out a wet towel. I have to cut this off early to see a patient, but honestly, see a hand specialist. It's worth it.
>>4474390Paid photography work is 0% artistry and 100%, that is the ONLY way, I repeat, the ONLY way in which the market supports as many photographers as it does.I didn't even have a ""portfolio"" when I got my first paid gig. What I had was a loose collection of wildlife photos and candid concert photos and a friend who ran a dance school with a yearly recital. A few polite messages later and he hired me.That is one aspect in which I had no inhibition. I honestly don't have passion for photography, I just like it, and so I have zero shame in offering to paid work when I barely have 2 years expierence. Now high-pressure stuff like weddings are different, but still, you're just anther idiot with a camera, so why be embaraased to sell yourself?
>>4474412>Paid photography work is 0% artistrySpoken like a true beginner
>>4474419Jokes on you. Photography isn't art to begin with. Nothing you or anyone with a camera has ever shot has been art.The subject itself can sometimes be art, but you clicking a button doesn't mean what you did was art.
>>4474404>scrunching paper or wringing out a wet towelOh i can do them. I'll do it right now. >see a hand specialistI'll keep that in mind.Thank you so much.
>>4474424>using a paint brush to apply paint on a canvas isn't art.
>>4474430What a retarded comparion. You're a retard.Using a camera is more akin to prompting an AI except you need to be somewhere that fits the image you're tryng to take. Painting is a medium of the imagination and soul that requires you to actually learn some skills and apply them
>>4474429No problem. Just bear in mind that progression is the basis of rehab. You can't just wring out a towel forever, you'll need to progress to something more challenging regularly. What exactly that is, I dunno, but feel free to experiment.
>>4474424>Photography isn't art to begin withBased truth knower. In fact, photography is better off without being 'art'.Photography is photography mainly because it isn't art.Still it can be 'artistic' just like anything in the world. A highly skilled carpenter's woodworking looks artistic or your a week old giant no cut in the middle poop seems artistic.
>>4474424>>4474476You guys are both wrong. Photography IS art. If it's not art then it's not photography but photojournalism, photosurveillance or other related discipline. As Ansel Adams used to say: you don't take a photograph, you make it. Photography isn't pressing a button.
>>4474478>Photography isn't pressing a buttonTrue>Ansel Adams used to say: you don't take a photograph, you make it.This citation is never enough to reinforce your statement.To me, it sounds like "Don't just press the release cable and hope for the best, finger crossed. Use your brain before you shoot it."And especially for Ansel Adams, i don't think he would have ever thought photography as art. I think he thought himself as just a recorder, rememberer of the magnificence of the mother nature.
>>4474486The entire f/64 movement is about photography as fine art without the need for pictorialist manipulation. Another quote from him:>Photography is more than a medium for factual communication of ideas. It is a creative art.If it's not art, then it's not photography either even if you're exposing a photosensitive medium.
I don't give a fuck really about anythingI just take my camera go out and shootI don't get money or recognition for it and I don't pretend to be anything other than some faggot with a camera.I don't care about culture or technique or the history of photography, or any particular styles. I don't care.
>>4474497This is the way.The moment you're just another random faggot who happens to have a camera on them and that's all, that's the moment you are free of all the /p/ bullshit.I want to record moments of my life and cool shit, and do it myself in a way that gives me quality output. A phone doesn't suffice, and I have money to spend because I'm not some random brown person, so I bought nice gear.But I'm still just some faggot with a camera and that's the best way to treat it.