Maybe nobody cares and maybe I'm dumb to be surprised but I just want to stress how unglamorous actual pro photographers - and creatives in general - are.A lot of them are kind of losers. The image I had of photographers being cerebral, well-rounded and cultured guys has not proven to be true at all.I work in healthcare but I run a small business doing sound engineering work. I do very specialized work recording live concerts and classical music, usually working alongside photographers/video crews. A lot of them are honestly just fucking weirdos, at some point I probably was too. It's a bit like pic-related (apologies for normie meme)I mention this because prior to this I did much more paid photography gigs, but I got sick of it because a) the profit margins are a joke and b) I didn't fit in with the people there and they knew it. I'm not saying I'm better than them, but it was not the focused, intellectual crowd I hope for.An anon here once saidA that he got into photo-journalism because it is a field that vagrants and ne'er-do-wells can get into and I 100% see it.Older guys are good though, they're always helpful and polite.
intelligent people are weirdos. creative people are intelligent people, and weirdos.normality is stupidity. normality is more animal than spirit. normality is a brain unencumbered by all the details and patterns in the world so it just stumbles into a marriage, a career, and 2 kids without getting derailed or asking why.if you were put in a room with the top 100 artists and top 100 scientists in human history you would 1: not be able to tell which was which 2: get, as they say, "the ick"that feeling they're basically not even the same species as you, you're on different frequencies, and they can't even speak your language.and they would feel the same thing. but maybe less viscerally, because 190/200 of those people would have a weird fetish or outlook a normal person would be conditioned to want to commit murder over.
>>4474356You work in healthcare... But you have a career in music production?What are you, some data input drone?Well photography itself has a low entry barrier. All you need is to not think like a cheapskate and buy gear, an entry level used DSLR is enough for that requirement and that's kinda rare among the general populace.But photography doesn't require thinking, doesn't require calculating, doesn't require predicting. Just be there, and so photojournalism and street photography are done by, how to put it, nobodies.Now the shit that shows up in NatGeo, guys who shoot models etc, they have a mix of introspection and low inhibition. Can't say introversion outright because of the low inhibition factor. They ARE weirdos with low empathy who think visually and that's that. For example in the Photographer tv series from NatGeo, there was one jeet who took pictures of parasites, not because the parasite is relevant, interesting or anything, but because it hadn't been done and he found out he could. Then he opened up hatching chicken eggs and taped the exposed embryos without caring they'd get infected, and he filled them with mineral oil to solve an optics issue.In the same series there was an adrenaline junkie woman who thought of rigging led lights in a crack and shooting the silhouette at night. In her mind and speech the only things that mattered were climbing and the image.I'm not a photographer more than snapshitting animals as if they were pokemon, but in scenic places I think of where the moon could be a specific day at a specific hour to have it look cool. I never go through it because i care about safety and what my family would feel if I got stabbed or kidnapped. Career photographers don't.
>>4474361No I work as a physiotherapist. it *can* be a very intellectually (and physically) demanding field, but honestly it's not like that in my current job.The music work is infrequent but very varied. Writing, recording, doing stuff for film, etc. I often miss opportunities because the fact I have a good day job means I don't bother with less-than-ideal jobs - of which there are plenty.> But photography doesn't require thinkingPrecisely why I chose it as a hobby. In comparison to working with hospital patients or having to write a film score with a deadline, it's very simple. You coneive the idea but the execution is basically thoughtless.
>>4474363Bro, I kinda wish I had become a physiotherapist. Whenever I saw them at uni I always saw guys playing, girls in gym clothes, everyone having fun. When I did slave work in med internship rotations, I got a better sense of actually being useful, actually being part of the patient's experience by massaging sedated kids than copy pasting manually doctor orders. Medicine is so fucking soulless, and you guys end up charging the same or more for less demanding work.
>>4474365Physio has huge upsides, don't get me wrong. In a work full of fat prediabetic slobs - heck even the /fit guys have their issues - it is genuinely invaluable to know how to look after the human body through lifestyle rather than drugs. The work life balance in hospitals is good, but I'm at a clinic, wherein the balance is pretty bad. I have no regrets.However the burn-out rate for physio is extremely high, with a career lifespan of 5 years on average. It's higher in hospitals but hospitals are very tough to get into thanks to demand and the fact that they are a female-dominated workplace.The pay and conditions hit a ceiling very early on and it leaves you with very few options for progression, especially if you need to provide for a family. Starting your clinic is your only option, which comes with certain moral issues (you must forget the notion of treating efficiently). Physio is just a job to me, but music is somewhat of a passion and I'm damn good at it, so I'm continuing it. I'm also learning to code which is partly a curisoity and partly fueled by me wondering if it could lead to more work.
>>4474361>low inhibitionHow do i steal their low inhibition?It always has been my weak part. Being a pussy and not taking the action i want.And no. not by drinking. I quite drinking more than a year ago.
>>4474368Dropped out of medicine to try coding. Coding is shit. You learn to put shit together but learning to design is a whole another beast and almost never taught. Learning to code usually translates into "learning to put together a website using specialized tools", everyone is doing it, and you aready know a few specialized tools from music and photo editing i guess.>>4474371If you knew the answer you'd have solved psychology. So far the only reply offered is, Just fucking do it. Tap into your anger and shame to push yourself at the cost of stop enjoying it. Or face the fear until one day your brain is too tired to paralyze anymore.
>>4474371NTA (I'm OP) but doing paid work that I kinda hated helped a bit. I became less invested in perfectionism when I started working so much that it became a burden. Think about how much you're being paid (if at all), how important your work *truly* is and also think about how good your past work has been. Unless you're being paid a fortune, this usually leads me to realise that I'm better off being detached from my own work, almost slightly disinterested.For those times when I need to work fast and uninhibited, I very much take a "make it good-enough, not great" approach. I'm not sure if this is what you needed to hear, anon
>>4474368Can i ask something about atrophied hand, forearm muscles by Cubital tunnel syndrome and PIN compression syndrome?tldr: my hand missed the right time to be treated so it's still having problems even after a surgery.Biggest problem is flexing strength of ring finger and pinky. when i grab a camera i practically grab it only with other 3 fingers.Second biggest problem is my palm muscles weakness. I can't even play one of Czerny piano exercises because i can't press the keys with my ring finger and pinky strong enough to sound.I tried to google some home treatment for my condition. But I couldn't sort it down. And some of their suggestions are too heavy or too strong that my fingers can't even do it and holding it.
>>4474376>face the fear until one day your brain is too tired to paralyze anymoreI guess this might work to me >>4474377Ya. Especially when it becomes a job the inhibition gets decreased. i know that feeling. Thing is, personally, i'm a mere amateur photographer who shots anything that passes my inner eye during strolling the city. I hope i can deep my foot in the professional photography but i don't know what to do and how should i build my portfolio.
>>4474383You're asking about the most difficult area to treat ("small bones = big problems" as we say), but I'll try to help.Find a proper hand therapist if you can. Hand rehab is pretty tough and a bit of black magic.But as long as the nerve is still there, you have hope. There is no silver bullet to these things, you need to back off to the most simple exercise that you can do *well.* for you that might be scrunching paper or wringing out a wet towel. I have to cut this off early to see a patient, but honestly, see a hand specialist. It's worth it.
>>4474390Paid photography work is 0% artistry and 100%, that is the ONLY way, I repeat, the ONLY way in which the market supports as many photographers as it does.I didn't even have a ""portfolio"" when I got my first paid gig. What I had was a loose collection of wildlife photos and candid concert photos and a friend who ran a dance school with a yearly recital. A few polite messages later and he hired me.That is one aspect in which I had no inhibition. I honestly don't have passion for photography, I just like it, and so I have zero shame in offering to paid work when I barely have 2 years expierence. Now high-pressure stuff like weddings are different, but still, you're just anther idiot with a camera, so why be embaraased to sell yourself?
>>4474412>Paid photography work is 0% artistrySpoken like a true beginner
>>4474419Jokes on you. Photography isn't art to begin with. Nothing you or anyone with a camera has ever shot has been art.The subject itself can sometimes be art, but you clicking a button doesn't mean what you did was art.
>>4474404>scrunching paper or wringing out a wet towelOh i can do them. I'll do it right now. >see a hand specialistI'll keep that in mind.Thank you so much.
>>4474424>using a paint brush to apply paint on a canvas isn't art.
>>4474430What a retarded comparion. You're a retard.Using a camera is more akin to prompting an AI except you need to be somewhere that fits the image you're tryng to take. Painting is a medium of the imagination and soul that requires you to actually learn some skills and apply them
>>4474429No problem. Just bear in mind that progression is the basis of rehab. You can't just wring out a towel forever, you'll need to progress to something more challenging regularly. What exactly that is, I dunno, but feel free to experiment.
>>4474424>Photography isn't art to begin withBased truth knower. In fact, photography is better off without being 'art'.Photography is photography mainly because it isn't art.Still it can be 'artistic' just like anything in the world. A highly skilled carpenter's woodworking looks artistic or your a week old giant no cut in the middle poop seems artistic.
>>4474424>>4474476You guys are both wrong. Photography IS art. If it's not art then it's not photography but photojournalism, photosurveillance or other related discipline. As Ansel Adams used to say: you don't take a photograph, you make it. Photography isn't pressing a button.
>>4474478>Photography isn't pressing a buttonTrue>Ansel Adams used to say: you don't take a photograph, you make it.This citation is never enough to reinforce your statement.To me, it sounds like "Don't just press the release cable and hope for the best, finger crossed. Use your brain before you shoot it."And especially for Ansel Adams, i don't think he would have ever thought photography as art. I think he thought himself as just a recorder, rememberer of the magnificence of the mother nature.
>>4474486The entire f/64 movement is about photography as fine art without the need for pictorialist manipulation. Another quote from him:>Photography is more than a medium for factual communication of ideas. It is a creative art.If it's not art, then it's not photography either even if you're exposing a photosensitive medium.
I don't give a fuck really about anythingI just take my camera go out and shootI don't get money or recognition for it and I don't pretend to be anything other than some faggot with a camera.I don't care about culture or technique or the history of photography, or any particular styles. I don't care.
>>4474497This is the way.The moment you're just another random faggot who happens to have a camera on them and that's all, that's the moment you are free of all the /p/ bullshit.I want to record moments of my life and cool shit, and do it myself in a way that gives me quality output. A phone doesn't suffice, and I have money to spend because I'm not some random brown person, so I bought nice gear.But I'm still just some faggot with a camera and that's the best way to treat it.
>>4474359>intelligent people are weirdos. creative people are intelligent people, and weirdos.>normality is stupidity.a lot of this is cope. a ton of "creative types" are complete retards. There's this weird hostility with them all the time for no reason.
>>4474509That is just photojournalism lite.
>>4474356The average "creative" on /p/ is an autistic pedo creep
>>4478170The street photographers?
No, they're a different type of intellectual. Imagine a guy who knows a lot on how a car works as a mechanic, will go into detail about car brands, and then tell you the right parts. A camera man will do the same except with how a camera works and all of that. They're essentially technicians. The issue with a technician of this type, is that they tend to have a no-bullshit attitude, so you'd be lucky to find one like me who likes to explore things and is willing to compromise. Most of them will instead shout at you for touching their expensive camera and won't shut up about necessary gear for a shot. That and they will overly to the max take themselves seriously. If you were to tell them to make a Hello Kitty commercial, they will go in and act super serious about it. That and they tend to be elitists, so if you're autistic they don't want to fuck with you because they feel you're going to go into some tard rage fucking up every expensive shot they want to take on a film set.
>>4478182Most people on here just memorize charts and argue about their brand because it helps them justify their purchase and make themselves feel good. Very little actual photographing and even less actual photography.
>>4478166>That is just photojournalism lite.Even more compelling. After all, photography is visual recode.
>>4478190*recordsorry
>>4474486at least try not post a dogshit photo like that if you are going to be an imbecile lmao>>4478182fuck off you autistic retard>>4478190>>4478192I am not taking seriously a fucking spastic that can't write a coherent sentence opinion on anything
>>4478198They're just technicians!
>>4478190Correct. Just like drawing and painting is applying media onto "canvas".
>>4478205Only half true. It's sad to keep seeing people conveniently identifying photography with painting. The essence of photography is objective.The essence of painting, drawing is subjective, abstract.
>>4478198you sound upset anon. perhaps you should rope yourself
>>4478327>missing the point this badly and being so incredibly wrong.Lol
>>4474424define art
>>4474424It's simplistic, but the essence of the images photography breathes can be artistic. Some of Salvador Dali's photographs are artistic. The creativity in painting may be, how can I draw this well? Photography is, how can I capture this well? I'll give you an example of how photography can be difficult. Draw me a lion in real detail... Okay... Now photograph a lion in its habitat. See the skill in photography?
>>4474486where is this place?
>>4478327Photography is objective, and the reason is that you are recording light which is the physical energy that is the direct representation of the universe. Photography is essentially an exposed image to the universe it sees all possible to the Einstein formula E=MC squared.
>>4478852this is the kinda guy who thinks phones are good enough now>the mtf chart at 50, 20, and 10 lp/mm is the same and so is the snr log2n(ev) adjusted for equivalent apertures, and under rockwell’s fused-vertebrae viewing conditions fake bokeh artefacts are 1/4 the size of the circle of confusion so why exactly do you still need a larger sensor? this is objective. i do not believe you have a retort. in fact, the larger sensor had an inferior mtf chart from 70% away from the sensor, and without computational photography quickly develops an inferior signal to noise ratio. phones have been better since the iphone 13. >-soulless NERD
>>4474478There are an almost infinite amount of ways to take a photo. The actual Ansel Adams quote is, "Good photos are made not taken."
>>4478861But anon this is just some rocks and fog. It really just looked like you were wandering around the desert with a camera...
>>4478861well I think it's cool
>>4474356Your meme is right. Artists are most of times extremely degenerate weirdos. The town misfits who doesn't fit anywhere, if they did they would not be artists in the first place. Traditionally artists like Da Vinci were God fearing men but during times the whole patronage thing worked very differently. Now only mad goobers would try to become artists.
>>4478861Ipad desktop wallpaper achieved.Extreme closeup of a baboons anus no more.
>>4479015There have always been men who pay attention to the natural world and conclude that it can be understood through rational thought rather than the irrational whims of the god-fearing primates tempest. da Vinci was in in Florence, the hub of Christian power at the time, but was a member of every secular organization, including a couple secret ones, of philosophers, poets, painters, architects and engineers there was. He took on work for religious clients but also abandoned some of those commissions to focus on ideas for weapons and his expanding Codex project."God-fearing" is an insult extremely unbefitting of the man.
>>4478852>Photography is objective>continues to describe the physics by which a photograph is madeIf this is the extent of your understanding of photography, its no wonder you don't understand how it could ever be art.Painting is made by the application of paints to replicate the light reflected off physical objects in the universe (most often from a photograph anyway), therefore painting is objective, it's just really bad at it. End of story, no one could ever do anything more with painting except try to replicate landscape views.Offspring are produced when people have sex, therefore the only reason to have sex is to produce offspring and the most efficient method is to jerk off until large quantities are achieved and apply the semen with a turkey baster during ovulation. Anything sexual activity beyond this is perversion.Sounds familiar. Stunted aspie fucks always fall for reducto ad absurdum and make it their entire reality. OH I SO SMRRRT. No, you're being stupid.
>>4479117I'm not a virgin? Women actually don't mind me for a few months, but when they get used to me is when I have issues. You know anon I think you live in a world of stereotypes. You assume because of my autism that automatically I'm this retard who can't fathom the depths of you, but in reality I am far better than the common individual with a camera. You think my images are retarded, but having to give a gallery of the wildlife in my state is not. You know anon true I don't have a girlfriend who I can bang 24/7, but I for damn sure have a data analytics degree that while in the future I can live off a shel ved off job, you're with 4 kids and your wife is yelling at you to get a job, and at some point the tables may be turned where you are cucked by me rather me cucked by you.
>>4479178 in reality you are far more retarded than the common individualits like savants that can’t dress themselves in return for being able to mentally calculate over 9000 prime numbers. the human part of your brain was never entirely hooked up leaving mostly an aimless calculator. you have a disability, not a superpower. your heuristic reasoning, mirror neurons, high abstraction, and top down thinking are not there. start learning to fight it and connect the loose wires and take control instead of being proud of being as retarded as you started of all the machines to know start with yourself and fix your shit
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>>4479178>>4479250BASED ZACHCHAD wins again>>4479187Cringe autistic incel
>>4479187>Thoroughly btfoZach confirmed more based by the day
>>4479187Correct>>4479250>>4479252>>4479255CopeImagine saying this and not seeing a problem>Women actually don't mind me for a few months, but when they get used to me is when I have issues
>>4479258>Imagine saying this and not seeing a problemIntrospection deserves respect. You picked the losing side nigger.
>>4479260Definately focusing on that guy is absolutely fucking counterproductive. Thinks reality is all about the streets when really it is about getting through the day and trying your best, but he doesn't see it. He thinks everyone has to fit this mold that is like the kid obnoxiously talking about the girl he fucked in class loudly. Reality is not like that. Typical 14 year old bullshit. Has no idea that having to be stuck in a trailer home, or hell a damn old ass car, with 10 kids and a fat wife while getting disability checks is a living hell. Yeah good luck on how you can win arguments anon. You winning an argument doesn't guarantee shit, but me doing something with my camera and college does.
>>4479260Imagine supporting a disabled man’s delusions against the critique"Understand and compensate for your mental disorder and stop being a bozo before focusing on bosons">>4479262>having kids is a living hell and will ruin my life! women are bad and scary, i will end up in a trailer park if i a kid!How long is your therapists nose
>>4479265You have failed to take your own advice and so I call you cringe. It really is that simple. Zach got you assblasted big time.
>the local zoophile is defending zach againsad to see
>the local schizo is being a schizowe're all used to it by now
>>4479178Nigga I made a post pointing out your inability to understand the subject of this thread is your own problem, and gave you a direct and indirect example of the logical error in your reasoning. You responded by dumping all your personal problems out from autism to your shitty sex life to your artistically devoid college degree and your amazing deduction that others are stereotyping you while in the very next breath taking wild swings in the dark with your own stereotype of boring yuppie white trash suburban americana.That's some amazing intellect. Surely no one has ever seen one like yours in 30 straight years of aspie tech dorks making their grand entrance in the great repository of deelopmentally stunted humans online. lol
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>>4479369BASED.
>>4478823Probably somewhere in Euljiro 3(sam)-ga, Jung District, Seoul
>>4474356> I just want to stress how unglamorous actual pro photographers - and creatives in general - are.No kidding. I worked as pro for a while and after the interview I thought it was a dream come true; I was their first choice, they loved my enthusiasm and wanted me to start asap. It ended up being the most exhausting and irritating job I've ever had and I started to really hate photography and videography, I wouldn't touch my own camera ta ll or do anything related for fun anymore. It took a while after I left to start actually wanting to enjoy it all again.It was the work version of "don't meet your heroes" I guess.>>4474424Art is the communication of perspective.
>>4479448When i was a working stiff, photography was work. When I wasn’t working, I sure as hell didn’t want to still be doing photography. None of my peers did either, they all had other hobbies, sailing, canoeing, windsurfing, etc, but gave their spouses cameras to take pics with & stayed out of that. It was something we discussed. BUT we all got into 8mm & 16mm movies. Seems like if you were a still photog, you wouldn’t do still photography at home but make home movies instead, and still today if you work in Hollywood making movies all day, people get way more into still photography in their personal lives.16mm movies are still my favorite medium out of all areas of photography. A Bell & Howell 141A goes with me pretty much everywhere to this day.
>>4479482I was doing both actually, photography and also cinematography. I was valued for my multiple skills and having learned a whole lot of that shit and having genuine passion for it, but doing it for insane hours every week made me never touch it in free time. My personal feelings on that industry is that it takes advantage of people that have a passion for it and squeezes them for everything they have until there's nothing left.I'm aware workplaces want the most out of their employees, but it seems like creative industries kick that shit into overdrive for whatever reason.
>>4479485It's not just the passion. There's an added issue where getting any role or job can be an issue and you have to independent filmmaker your way through things, which unfortunately does not always guarntee success.
>>4479485>>4479529it seems to me that its more like they know its a fucked job and hope you'll be grateful and stick around by thinking its a "once in a lifetime" kind of opportunity and you're lucky to have it.
>>4479971It's not stable employment. If it was, you'd be very lucky.
>>4479977it depends on what side of things you're in. if you're in the really creative side like directing, its risky, but anything that requires technical know-how is pretty guaranteed. the last place i was at got over 800 applications for the role i ultimately ended up in and they were able to replace me within seconds when i left. its a rotating door since someone is always wanting to get into it and you can be easily replaced if you bitch out, but you can be in it for all time if you are able to take getting fucked by it all day every day.
>>4479980Yeah, well at least you got work. If that was me, most I would get is a phone call, and then be dropped. Getting into the film industry is like getting a girlfriend these days. Staying in it is like keeping a girlfriend. Making it big is like getting a wife.
>>4480033>forever alone pretends job is womanSad!
>>4479485>. My personal feelings on that industry is that it takes advantage of people that have a passion for it and squeezes them for everything they have until there's nothing left.that is all creative industries sadly
