So, which of the big companies is going to be the first to offer an affordable 100mp camera?Fuji is obviously already out there, but this thing is Eight thousand dollars. I suspect that when it happens (eventually) it will be Nikon. I feel like historically they are the company which has introduced high end features at a lower price.
>>4480592There would be literally zero demand, something else has to go backwards for megapixels to go to 100.I would love to see a survey response of every person who brought a camera over 40mp and what amount ended up regretting it.
>>4480599 #Reminds me of 8k with the RED Weapon. To literally edit on a RED camera, takes a computer NASA would use.
>>4480592I suspect it will be Sony for the a7R line>>4480599>something else has to go backwardsProcessing speed that can only be replaced, market-wise, by bit depth
>>4480599>I would love to see a survey response of every person who brought a camera over 40mp and what amount ended up regretting it.I don't regret it, but it made me stop chasing the mp high24mp is perfect for most everything40-50mp is fine enough for when I want more
>>4480610>I suspect it will be Sony for the a7R lineOP said affordable, not overpriced. Sony will probably try and charge $7k+ for it.
>>4480613Same 36mp d800 made me realise how perfect my 24mp d700 is
>>4480599>I would love to see a survey response of every person who brought a camera over 40mp and what amount ended up regretting it.I suspect the vast majority of people buying those camera would say they were happy they did. You don't generally see people throwing around a few grand if they don't have the skill or hardware to use the camera.
It makes me laugh when people say "That will never happen. People don't need it. The hardware cant handle it. etc."I'm old enough to remember people saying the exact same shit about 10mp cameras when they came out in 2002-2003. I used to sell them for a living. We were told that this is the most anyone will ever need. Now FF standard is around 45mp. As basic computer specs continue to improve, camera spec expectations will go up too. There's a lot more today pushing progress. You've got Hasselblad and Fuji pushing out 100mp+ cameras, you've got camera phone specs improving, amateur film makers are using digital cameras more and more. None of these were considerations in the early 2000s. Progress was glacial by comparison.Cameras will go over 100mp. We just have to wait for that baseline PC spec to shift up a level.
>>4480619>You don't generally see people throwing around a few grand if they don't have the skill or hardware to use the camera.Counterpoint: Most people on this board with gear that expensive.
>>4480630counter counter point: Do you hear them complaining that they don't like it.
>>4480624Its boomers that think 100MP is unfathomable. Im surprised it hasnt happened already.
>>4480614ok buddy you make your own affordable 100mp+ sensor camera
>>4480634Not my problem
>>4480592>moggs every camera discussed in this threadNothin' personal kiddos.
>>4480660Its so light in the pocket.
Another snapshitter cares more about grams and millimeters than image quality. Sad, but totally on brand for /p/ gearfags.
the human eye can't see more than 3mp anyway
>>4480614Then OP will be waiting a very long time because nikon is essentially a subsidiary of sony. They resell sony's old camera guts in a new body, turn up the saturation, and call it a different camera. Every time.They bought RED and you know what sensor they used for their cinema camera? A modified a7iii sensor, again.A7IIIs on the market:Sony a7iiiSony a7cNikon Z6Nikon Z6IINikon Z5Nikon Z5IINikon ZFNikon ZRPanasonic S9Panasonic S5Panasonic S5II/XThese are all the sony a7iii. All of them. Same sony sensor. All of them have a minor edit made to the same shitty sony color science and at the most, a slightly modified AA filter or enhanced readout circuitry (sony still designs and manufactures the modification). Only fuji, canon, hassy, and p1 have their own color rendition. A7III, S5II, and Z6II raws can easily land on the same result!Nikon also has tamron (which is majority owned by sony) manufacture a lot of their lenses (including rebrands). And Z mount's non-compete clause spills over to E mount and gives sony first party lenses an edge as well. Curious that nikon would have a policy that benefits sony's sales and makes Z mount less appealing.>>4480660Now this guy has a point. Digital cameras can only get so good before returns diminish sharply. A 100mp digital camera would only have about 75 "real" megapixels. Bayer is always 1.5x less resolution than mono unless shooting a mono target, then it's close but still has aliasing. Meanwhile measly 645 can be comfortably scanned beyond 100 real megapixels if you don't diffract your shit up at f11+ or lose detail to fucked up glass or mirror slap/hand shake.ironically, using a digital camera, but dirt cheap m43 or pentax pixel shift+stitching does the job and no digital camera can do what film does in a single shot, let alone produce an unfakeable physical original that is compatible with real (darkroom) printing.
>>4480592Making 100MP capable lenses is never going to get cheaper.
>>4480724>100mp wide open in the corners at 300% zoom capable*Double gauss lenses were fine for wall prints at f5.6, f8… retard. Wide open corner IQ is for faggots. FAGGOTS.
>>4480727>Seething gearfag makes shit up to get angry at.Kek
>>4480730The average lens has ballooned in size, weight, and cost because seething gearfags did in fact make up shit to be angry atComa and spherical aberration in the corners at f1.4 has never affected a photo. Ever. It is meaningless wank. It is no coincidence that significant photography simply stopped happening with the invention of the canon L, sigma ART, and nikon G lenses. photographers stopped taking photos and started shopping around for special gear that might be better for taking specific photos they havent taken and would probably be boring as fuck. Photographers today are so fucking stupid they sit in a chair being neurotic about "equivalence adjusted for IBIS" when the past century was shot on ISO 50 slide film at f8 and the results looked better than their equivalence DR chart corner pixel peeping faggotry.
>>4480737And they get glorified phone cameras as a result with actual phone cameras being "peak" form for a camera.
>>4480746It’s not even close to a phone camera unless you’re an even worse type of gearfag (hipster faggot). It’s just a pointless exercise in robbing people of their money, comfort, and the option to NOT have bad looking supersharp+shitty bokeh f1.2 snapshits.
>>4480765The desired form and functionality that gearfags argue endlessly over is essentially what a phone camera already is. Actual good image quality is of no concern to the gearfag.
For 100mp to be practical for full frame they need to find some way to get a faster readout without a massive drop in dynamic range.
>>4480772What if sony used a quantum computer so their images could be green and not green at the same time?
>>4480774That would be a game changer.
>>4480737True and again medium format lenses mogs absolutely everything new. They reach mongoloid levels of speed too, most RB lenses are 1.7f FF equivalent. The only thing they don't have is autofocus but it's lame and gay anyway + the focus knob is very easy to master >>4480666As if you were gonna fit any modern FF camera in your pocket, buy a bag and eat your vegetables
>>4480717>the human eye can't see more than 3mp anywaySo I'm guessing your head never moves and you havent any memory with which to enjoy any visible image larger than 3mp?
>>4480870correct
>>4480592>affordablethe mainstream doesn't care about mp, they take pics on their phone. there's no reason to offer affordable prices to a niche market for any product
>>4480592I doubt it.I think Nikon took a huge hit economically from the AF kerfuffle, and I feel like they are struggling bit now.And besides, the Z6 is still kept at a (very) conservative 24mp, just like its ancient predecessor the D600 and its contemporary APS-C brother.Even the D800 from 2012 has 36MP.
>>4480616Your D700 is a 12MP piece of junk, anon. Are you mixing it up with something else?
>>4480893Nikon was sony before sony, complete with retarded fanboys recommending plastic junk. Then ask them why not canon… "DR charts and DXO scores" - snoy.
>>4480897D700 is built very sturdy. That is not at all the issue with it. It's just too dated, so the tech doesn't hold up. 12MP is just not enough.
>>4480926Most old nikons have 50 dead pixels, grips falling off, and at least one dodgy button or dial while 5dIIs are all still flawless if not macerated by a roll down a rocky cliffside or falling out of a carShutter failure is also more common on nikon
>>4480947Sure, Anon. Sure.
>>4480926>12MP is just not enough.The Nikon D2x achieves a record 90lp/mm with just 12mpx, which exceeds the resolve of all other DX cameras that I have tested regardless of their megapixel count! Stop buying into the megapixel lie.
>>4481318Whenever someone brings up lp/mm it is assured to be a lie in practical use. Yeah nah a d2x isnt outresolving a 90d. Remember "but this was scanned on a hasselblad flextight, lp/mm, 6x7 = 45mp!!!!" schizo, despite anons posting tests that showed double, doghairs 800mp 4x5 scan, and huskyfags 70mp 6x6 scan? Lol
>>4481325>Whenever someone brings up lp/mm it is assured to be a lie in practical use.If practical use = not shooting complex real world scenes in RAW with the finest prime lenses on a sturdy professional grade tripod in optimal light, then viewing a laboratory grade print with top grade optical aides, then yes.>Yeah nah a d2x isnt outresolving a 90d.I have yet to test the 90D.
>>4480592Most platforms are too restrictive to post one so you're just going to scale it down.
>>4481327You’re just delusional sorry m8. Clear case of doing something wrong, not knowing what, and thinking you did everything perfectly.
Just another example of how megapixel count fails to guarantee resolution, the 36mpx Nikon D800 achieves 120lp/mm, whereas the D800E achieves 140lp/mm. But the 24mpx Nikon D3x achieves a record setting 160lp/mm.
>>4481329All of my tests are conducted under strict laboratory grade standards, and other test have confirmed these findings.
>>4481330How tho?
>>4481330Sorry. My notes say that the D800E achieved a consistent 130lp/mm.
>>4481334To begin with, most digital cameras trade resolution for low noise and distortion. This is a largely unavoidable compromise.
Knowing how many resolution-axing design flaws DSLRs have these could very well be real but really accidental results. But they do not represent reality, only an error rate, calibration issues, and a bogus procedure mixed with ken rockwell’s even more bogus definition of a good lens.
>>4481338You should read his d3x review. It's pretty funny how salty he is about it.
>>4481339You should take anything Rockwell says with a healthy grain of salt!
>>4481337Part of the physical sensor design, right?
>>4481341No. This is handled in the processing stage. The sensor is just an optical antenna.
>>4481342What this have to do with color stretching mayne?
>>4481346Be careful. Color stretching is a dark art and you may not like the answers you receive.
>>4480592>remebriating that consumer cameras are a small part of Nik’s actual company.Nikon should fucking do it already. They already make more sophisticated sensors than that, they just don’t produce them in quantity & at a cost low enough to build a camera around that isn’t priced like a fucking Leica, so they keep using Sonys boring old sensors. It was like 5 years ago they came up with some extremely fast sensor for processing shitfucktons of video as well, but as long as there are cheaper alternatives that are good enough for the market, all that stuff sits in their industrial technology divisions in devices the size of houses. Youd’ think with buying Red they’d have a use to scale some of that mfg and start ramping up pressure in the sensor market.
>>4481706Consumer cameras and lenses are the largest part of the company. What sensors are you talking about? RED outsourced its sensor manufacturing so there's no scale there and even if they picked up TowerJazz they could have Sony fab the same sensor for less.
>>4481330You mean lines per mm? Lp/mm means line pairs per mm not lines per mm
>>4481706Ho lee fuk son.https://www.nikon.com/business/industry/electronics/#product-lineUpso Nikon’s been busy making other shit huh. They make the machines that make processors??? The industrial measurement & inspection section under the litho machines is insane.
>>4481740>>4481740Cameras are an even smaller part of Canon, they do even more lithography than Nikon, and they have been making sensors in house forever unlike Nikon. So Canon or even Samsung are more likely candidates.
>>4480592Canon. They just made the worlds most affordable f/1.2 FF lens. Next will be a 100mp body.
>>4482006Canon has firmly been in the 24MP corner for years now and I don't see them mixing that up anytime soon. The R6III only has a 32.5MP sensor because it's borrowed from the C50. Most RF consoomer lenses have shit sharpness and contrast outside of the mid-frame @ 24MP and going higher would only exacerbate the lens deficiencies>inb4 don't buy high res camera and bottom-shelf lensesWell yeah but that really only excludes like 5 lenses.
>>4482015Thats like saying Canon will never make a sub $500 f/1.2 lens because theyve never made a sub $500 f/1.2 lens... but they did
>>4482016Well, no. I'm not saying they can't break the mould; they've made things no-one else has. I'm saying their sensor tech is not directed towards hi res. Look at the R5II. It's a fucking meme for more than one reason. 45MP and it has the SNR and DR of a late 2010s aps-c dslr. The RP was 26MP, the R was 30MP and they realised they weren't there yet. The R6 was 20MP because they knew they needed to backtrack to something their lenses could resolve properly on.They have settled on 24MP (which is fine imo) and the majority of usecases are 100% fine with this. Their lenses aren't suited for smaller pixel pitches. Sure they could pull a 180 and this new 45mm lens *could* have insane resolving power but I don't see it happening any time soon. Honestly to answer the thread question I reckon Snoy is going to hit 100MP first but I still doubt it'll be good.
>>4482017Sure Sony will hit 100MP, but its not going to be affordable like OP asked
There is already 245mp in use
I used to believe the megapixels and full frame dont matter "they are only for photos you want to zoom in" which is every single thing that's worth taking a picture of with a real camera instead of your phone
>>4482021Shit ergos
>>4482021IMX811 has 10%(probably more) less light sensitivity than IMX411 due to smaller pixels
>>4482021P1 makes a 280mphttps://www.phaseone.com/solutions/geospatial-solutions/aircraft-systems/pas-280/>>4482030mostly but still for wide angle you get better DR, tonal range ect,>>4482021nice troll, its obviously for telescopes
>>4482100With a shutter it could be a camera but 2/3s of the market is vlogslop tryhards
>>4480599>something else has to go backwards for megapixels to go to 100signal to noise ratio
>>4482113Nope. FPS, electronic shutter, and video capability.
>>4482115+mirrorless hybrid AF because on sensor hybrid AF depends on scan speedwith SLRs or ORFs the AF sensor could be separate and have a blazing fast scan and focus quickly with less processing power. this is why ancient DSLRs focus more confidently than half baked mirrorless
>>4482115only retards want these featuresvideofags need to rope
>>4482117Correct
>>44806248MP is all I need.
>>4480720>645 can be comfortably scanned beyond 100 real megapixels if you don't diffract your shit up at f11+ or lose detail to fucked up glass or mirror slap/hand shakethis is utter bullshit, maybe one or two film stocks shot in a testing environment. 99% of 6x7 shooters probably aren't producing images which could even resolve 50mp of detail, nevermind 645 shooters.https://www.mountainphotography.com/gallery/4x5-film-vs-digital-resolution-comparison/https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2014/12/36-megapixels-vs-6x7-velvia/
>>44827016x7 is clearly 80mp theresorry you shot everything at f32 and forgot to lock up the mirror. SLRs suck yeah.
>>4482701Modern MILC scanning setups can easily outresolve drums by stitching pixel shifted shots.
>>4482116>DSLRs focus more confidently than half baked mirrorlessQuicker, but less reliable and less functional
>>4482703> 6x7 is clearly 80mp>645 is 100+mpWhich one is true?Yes, this guy in his clinical lab tests using extremely fine grain film stocks managed to get crazy resolution out of 6x7. Do you shoot 6x7? Can you provide me with a scan with 50mp of resolved detail? I doubt you can. I doubt anyone in this thread can, because as I said, those numbers are not attained by 99% of medium format shooters.
>>44827826x7 is 80mp on an old ass drum645 exceeds 100mp with modern scanning equipment
>>4480592>So, which of the big companies is going to be the first to offer an affordable 100mp camera?if you want 100 mp you are retarded. learn what pixel pitch is.
>>4480592Theres a bigger chance of the next iphone hitting 100MP than boomer mirrorless cameras
>>4485650100 mega pixels of ai slop and other assorted computer gimmickery. No thanks, I'll stick with the "boomer" mirrorless, even though mirrorless cameras only came about after the boomers had already started to die off.
>>4480592Why the question? Wanna fake foveon or smth?
>>4480772>>4480774The solution would be to pair it with a 16-bit analog to digital converter
Ah yes, just wait for Nikon to ‘democratize’ it — by selling you a $4k body, a $2k lens, and a firmware update that almost unlocks the feature. Totally affordable, bro
>>4480599>>448061360MP is 24MP with APS-C crop. You can carry a single tiny 35/1.4 lens and have it act as a ~50/2.1 at a moment's notice. Or 50/1.2 -> 75/1.8. Effectively double your focal range entirely for free. This is powerful.
>Over 100 megapickles will be a thing when the technology catches up!Yeah, the Moore's law is dead, good luck with that. I bet we'll get the CSI enhance powered by generative AI instead of reinventing the computing or making picometer chips feasible. Not that the bird photographers or perverts taking photos at the beach really would care either way.
just get one of these https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html
>>4493050EYou want to pay an insane premium on gear just to be able to crop down to a equivalent 24MP APS-C using a 50mm f/2? Eh, homie this is terrible thinking. With the same logic just crop your 40MP APS-C camera down and you can look like a phone with a worse rendering. Cropping will always be a cope.I'd rather a 24MP large format digital over a 200MP MF/FF camera.
>>4494744>Insane premium100mp shouldnt even cost that much and we should have already had it by now. Camera manufacturers are just being jews because they know their industry is almost up.
>>4494750>100mp shouldnt even cost that much are you mentally challenged?
Affordable is relative
>>4480660It's ugly
>>4480592I mean you can get a excellent condition fujifilm GFX 100s for like 3200$ used. For 100mp that's pretty affordable.
>>4480602I edit 8K RAW footage daily with a r9 7900x, 64GB of RAM and a 5070 TI 16GB with atleast 4 nodes of grading in Resolve on Linux. RED has the most balanced RAW aside from lighter codecs like BRAW. Not everyone is broke bro.
>>4494786/p/ is 3rd world tier poor and think anything over 4 figures is for rich people only
>>4494801Digital cameras are essentially worthless. Spending 4 figures to shit out 1s and 0s is like lighting money on fire. The real poorfag tell is almost no one shooting hasselblads here and people not recognizing that the primary raisondeetre of a digishitter is scanning film. Even a 5dii can do 120mp+ stitch scans.
>>4494801Yet they hate m43. Very weird place here.
>>4494809facts. spending big on digital is like collecting new tissot watches. its spending a lot of money, but on nothing, literally nothing. wealthy people dont bother until real medium format sensors like a phaseone trichromatic back so it at least actually looks better than full frame. the fuji gfx is the tissot watch of digital. i think a tudor would also be apt, maybe for low end fake hasselblads like the x2d>its medium format but not really>its mechanical but its not real european horology
>>4494809I mean I can take 36 pictures that out resolve everything besides large format for free. Film is fun but outside of large format landscape I don't see the point. It's not really for serious people anymore.
>>4494812I mean a gfx costs basically the same as a full frame camera now. The lenses are pretty close too. I wouldn't suggest it to a normie but if you know what your doing it's basically full frame with like 20% more light and double the resolution. There's a reason why most professionals and magazines are shooting with gfx and most wedding photographers are using a canon or Sony.
>anons think a few grand is a lot of moneywtf it must suck being poor
>>4494813Lol, 35mm film is at least 100mp as long as your lens, focus and shutter speed are good for 100mp.
>>4494819Sure it is buddy. I'm sure the vintage 32mm lenses you use really have a 100 mp of resolving power and you definitely make full use of it in real world conditions. Do you exclusively shoot at 1/500th and use a tripod for anything slower?
>>4494801It's not about the price you fucking retard. Even professionals who make plenty of money doing actual photography are pretty anal about upgrading and have to truly justify every new purchase.If you have a serious full frame setup, with zoom and primes and accessories, not only is moving to Fuji's MF something expensive (at least $20-30k), but it might even be the case that the ecosystem is insufficient to your current needs.OTOH, if you're a faggot who shoots snapshits with a 35mm or 50mm, then what even is the point of MF?MF has some uses, but claiming that complaining about its price is for poorfags just begs the question: what's the color of your GFX100?
>>4494866That's a lot of seething anon. 4k isn't really that much money and most people don't really need that many lenses unless they collect them like Funko pops.
>>4494965>most people don't really need that many lensesoh the irony of using "le muh most people" argument while unironically shilling for MF.you know what most people don't really need? a camera
>>4494965Everyone here is poor lmao
>>4494965Most people use their phones anon.If I'm going through the effort of using a proper camera I'm going to do more than the bare minimum of kit lens+aps-c.And since I photo many types of things, I need different lenses for the task at hand.Unless that is you've got some nice birb shots taken at 50mm because all you really sneed is two lenses max isn't that right?>>4494975There's a significant minority of 4chinners that made money on crypto autism. Not to mention you get the odd oldfag that stuck it out in a decent job and now get to piss their company pension into weird hobbies like this.Idk... I mean I'm $5000 into camera gear, am genuinely mediocre at best, but regret nothing and don't make insane money. Is $5000 really that much making $40000-50000/y?
>>4494981>Is $5000 really that much making $40000-50000/y?I make over $200k a year doing a real job and $5000 is indeed a lot of money lol. I can afford much more at a drop of the hat without dipping into emergency funds but I'm not a child so I understand I should put that kind of money into an investment. It's just not worth the ROI as a for funsies camera.If I'm making 50k a year I would never buy something like that, ever. That's genuinely retarded.
>>4494996What do you spend your money on for fun? What cameras do you have now instead?
>>4494814The gfx basically is a full frame camera. A shitty one with crappy autofocus and a slow as balls sync speed. >0.8 crop factor>smaller than 6poor5Less significant than ff-apsc lolYou’re poor if you buy this because yeah, its a tissotMall watch cameraThe one you know but still not good
>>4494814most professionals are still using their 5dII or bought a hasselbladfuji paid leibowitz to pretend to shoot gfx lol
>>4494996Bro I'm not saying I go out and drop this kind of money without thinking or budgeting. Ofc that's retarded to just throw thousands of dollars away every couple weeks on random shit (hey look, it's my brother).I mean more like, budgeting isn't hard, and saving for a few months while doing research really is a low bar yet many fail.
>>4495001>if photography is your only hobby and you have no family not even a gfOnly autistic men spend like this. cheap couch vintage plexi/8x10 view camwera/solgw ar shit, autism red flag
>>4495001Your brother sounds like a chadOf the YOLO cancer patient actively plotting suicide variety>so after the ostomy your cancer will be…>im buying a sports car?>no we’re removing your colon>porsche it is
>>4494996What would you consider a reasonable hobby expense amount per year, for someone making $50k?
>>4495008>truly creative hobbies, ie: music, painting, sculpture, creating functional inventions, darkroom craft, making cinema$2-5k. have fun with your life!>non-creative hobbies, ie: making a gaming PC, buying video games, digital cameras, funko pops, guns, knives$500. save up bitch. you don't need a new ar15 or snoy every year.
>>4495017Straight facts.
>>4495017Oh so you're one of the low IQ posters, gotcha
>>4495017Based>>4495020Seething consoomer. You give off “liberals are just people with critical thinking skills because we learned what to think in college” vibes desu.
>>4495021What a very high IQ thing to say, you're so smart
>>4495022Seething lmfao>no you dont understand… i need the newer digital camera because *zooms in* see this? SEE THIS?>see what>you fucking idiot! WATCH THIS! *runs forward while doing af-c+burst shooting* LOOK, FIFTEEN MISSES>what? idk man lots of good photos were taken on this old nikon here>YOU FOOL!Digital gearfaggotry isnt a creative hobby, its just a mix of entitlement and childish wanting
>>4495024Kek. In the 10mp days this would sound absurd tho. Digital underperformed film. But these days, yeah, after the 5dIII/d750 what do you have to complain about, that isnt solved by an also cheap, r8/z5ii/a7iii or a7cYet niggas blow $2k on a fuji on5 that is worse and then are like “oh no, now i need to buy a dedicated high detail stills camera and a dedicated sports camera to match my EEDEESEE! guess i gotta have a RIG! each camera is the best for something else!”Its consoomerism and it was not normal until recently, and despite reddit and insta socially normalizing it, it’s still not really normal, its still disordered behaviorI blame reddit and reddit alone. Seriously. Because people go there for recommendations, and the users compete for karma by giving the BEST recommendations, the most refined and well thought out minmaxed recommendations, the most perfect recommendations tailored for trump, leading to just one website encouraging gearfaggotry and slowly infecting all the tech mag rags with reddit usersThe biggest pro-gearfaggotry poster on /p/ is corgifag, a pot smoking reddit user. Fucking upvote based social media destroyed common sense, singlehandedly.
>>4495025u mad
>>4480592in the future, a smart electronics company could create a computational photography system that would use pixel shift + gen ai to draw 100mp of a moving scene perfectly without resorting to hardware solutions. I mean, digital photos are already mostly fake with image processing anyway. Prob sony
>>4495024Idk, kinda looks like you're the one that's seething
>>4495025>The biggest pro-gearfaggotry poster on /p/ is corgifag, a pot smoking reddit userI was on p before reddit lol, I came to 4chan through diggIt's also funny how I'm seen as a gearfag when I haven't bought a camera in 3 years, and my daily drivers are mostly 6-10 years oldAgain for the record, I also worked at camera shops for over a decade, and chances are I have a better view of how modern cameras have changed over time, and the purchasing habits of normies, but go off sis
It's funny, but technically "worse", lower res, lower DR old DSLRs have visibly more pleasing image quality than their newer, improved mirrorless counterparts.Maybe it's the lenses, and lower res making simpler designs look better so the designers worked on characteristics that are hard to achieve when also correcting every other aberration like DOF transitions and color transmissionMaybe it's that when a camera doesn't shit out files with infinite editing latitude, there's an onus on the firmware programmer to write good data that doesn't need reinterpreted even in a "raw" while the newer, near maximum achievable quantum efficiency dual gain shit uses the full 14-16 bits of precision so they just write a totally flat file with everything available, half ass the jpeg engine, and say "hey, if you bought this, you should be able to figure it the fuck out. problem? buy an iphone and fuck off you undeserving peasant gaijin." which is an actual attitude that the japanese copIn any case, it takes significantly less effort in capture one to get very good, artistic looking photographs out of a 5dII or 5dIII than it does out of an EOS R5's raws, and fuji GFX basically shoots in log and requires thorough editing for every single photo. Even the film sims are dull. Of the achievable brandsm only hasselblad is really writing both good and plentiful data these days with their natural color solution, and it's only 100% there when using phocus.>inb4 phase one trichromatic backs
>>4495065>the new, predominantly liberal (aka detached from reality) crop of techfags sucked the soul out of everything and their less intelligent but equally foolish consumerist counterparts threw money at enshittification with astounding consistencymany such cases
>>4480592Its going to be in some kind of action camera with a teeny tiny sensor and the worst colors and sharpness of any camera you've ever seen.
>>4495021>>4495024>>4495025You sound extremely butthurt kekJust get a better paying job bro
>>4480592>>4480599The real answer will be when a company is the first to mass-market a new sensor technology, like the first camera with a Quantum Dot sensor
>>4495080digital cameras have no soul. the more advanced they get the gayer everything gets. photography has never been worse. people even brought back film and digishits.
>>4495065I think it's the lens design more than anything. EF lenses weren't over corrected to shoot wide as possible and sharp as possible. RF lenses are sharp and flat perfect for the normmies who have started to expect "professional photos" to look like a cellphone photo with more bokeh and megapickles. I suspect this is because modern camera and lenses are being designed to be viewed on a small phone screen. Tonality, micro contrast, even out of focus rendering all get squashed down to fit in that tiny rectangle. The nice medium ground is probably just adapting lenses and buying cheap Chinese knock offs of old designs.
>>4480774they call it quantum well for what reason ad per well
>>4495065>all that text and I still don't know how to upload an example image
>>4495429Asking a /p/haggot to post a photo is basically an anathema
>>4495065As usual with this argument, there's a shitload of hot air but no actual proof whatsoever.
>>4495001>saving for a few monthsWhy do people always bring up "saving", is it some amerimutt living paycheck to paycheck thing?If you need to save then you can't afford it, the ONLY exception is a house.
>>4495530>If you need to save then you can't afford itThis guy believes that those who have lower end jobs should be denied pleasant things in life.
>>4495532>I have a right to everythingYou can literally buy a used canon 40d with the kit zoom for like $50 and it will take you years of use before your photo skills outgrow your hardware
>>4495582Looks like a phone photo
>>4495532Living paycheck to paycheck has very little to do with how much money you make, more with how much you spend.But either way, if you don't have enough money to just buy some camera shit, then you certainly don't have enough money to replace a car/heater/washing machine/etc, so you should save more.If you don't have a few months' salary in the bank then you are just irresponsible.
>>4495592>you dont have the right, you fucking peasant. leave professional cameras to PROFESSIONALS. keep your fucking head down. KNOW YOUR FUCKING PLACE. YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO OWN A SINGLE FUCKING NICE THING UNLESS YOU ARE MAKING MONEY OFF IT.Orrrrrr*buys z7ii*lmao my photos look better than a phones nowSuck it, boomer>IF YOU HAVE TO SAVE YOU CANT AFFORD IT KNOW YOUR PLACE KNOW YOUR PLACE KNOW YOUR PLACE >:(Or if you're not saving, you're buying larger amounts of junk.>BUT YOUR SKILLS DONT JUSTIFY OWNING A NICE CAMERA! I DONT LIKE YOUR PHOTOS SO YOU SHOULDN'T USE WHAT YOU LIKE!Don't give a fuck. Oh no, someone took a high quality photo of their cat. How dare they. They need to be given the right to take high quality photos by the art jews first.Its amazing how much your attitude makes sense when one realizes it comes directly from boomers. The first generation in history to actively fuck over their sons because "you need to earn everything from the bottom to prove you're truly worthy of even existing" (only white boomers did this and only to their white sons - their daughters got the world, while asians and jews passed on wealth and were happy for their kids when they dared to own nice things as usual)Of course it's also the generation that gives the most support to israel.
>>4495633>Have savings>Save for large purchases anyways instead of suddenly draining savingsIs this too much for you to understand"If you have to save up for it, you shouldn't have it"It's just another boomer truism that boils down to how much they typically hate their sons and everyone elses, passed on to perhaps their favorites and a few neocon right fools who listened to boomers and took them seriouslyDon't buy that nice camera son, your photos might turn out better with less effort and success will be more within your reach! you have to grind from the bottom with a dogshit canon rebel that cant even focus on someone walking towards it!orrrr*buys a7iv and 24-70 f2.8**shoots wedding with 0 experience beyond using cat photos to figure out camera settings**gets paid while boomers REEEE about how photography isnt like their playboy studio shoots anymore*Seethe more.
>>4495634The 40d is a professional camera you fucking incel sperg schizo. I'm not replying further, it's clear you have some sort of severe mental problem
>>4495635You clearly have some money related mental health issues that can't be resolved in a 4chan thread.But I'll just say; saving and buying nice, expensive even, things are not mutually exclusive.I'm also not a boomer, being financially responsible is not just an old person thing.And you can buy an expensive camera, but you shouldn't buy an expensive X every month, have some self control.
>>4495636He’s right. The 40d is garbage. Cameras have to outdo phones now. And boomers purchasing advice has been horrible. Everyone who says to start with garbage is a boomer, fr. Boomers get nauseous when younger people have it easier than them. See: pointless return to the office policies>>4495639No one said anything about buying monthly cameras so you’re just conceding and bringing up some random shit to still pretend you were right.
>>4495641Learn to read nigger, I'm saying don't buy expensive shit every time you get a paycheck, and save some fucking money. I don't imagine that expensive thing will be a camera every month, but if you don't have savings, then it is something.
>>4495641>The 40d is garbageThe 40d was successfully used by professionals to take all sorts of beautiful images. Please list in detail all the kinds of photography you need to take that weren't available in 2007.
>>4495650both of them are right. the 40d is garbage.2007 was an era of sharp aesthetic decline. a 24mp full frame digital camera takes worse looking photos than 35mm film. the 40d is that bad.
>>4495652>generic bullshityep, as expected.The 40D has better autofocus than phones, better colors, and much more detail and latitude.
>>4480592Doesn't matter since realistically NO ONE but actual pros need 100 damn MPs, especially on a MF sensor. If you need 100MP for work, your jobs start in 5 figures that easily afford you the GFX.
>>4480624Realistically, 12MP is what 90% of population ever need or won't even use properly. 45MP now, isn't the standard, 24 is. 45MP now is still for upper leagues of pros who need to print billboards.
>>4495669I need a 100mp for my large scale close up gallery prints. Also let's you downscale your image for better noise control. The price difference between 45mp/60mp and 100 is not really that big either. The 24mp thing is mostly cope from 3rd worlders and southern red necks
>>4495679How does that contradict the post you're replying to? Apparently you're such a pro you get to show your work in big prints in galleries
>>4495679But of course there's just no way you could say, idk, share one of these large-scale gallery prints could you? I mean, that shouldn't be difficult right anon?
>>4495723No you see, his entire carreer would be immediately over because he pisted on 4channel and he would be doxxed withing 5 minutes
>>4495679Did you forget to attach your example images to share?
>>4495681>>4495723>>4495736I've posted hundreds of pictures on this board over the years and a couple have been in small galleries. I don't care about getting doxxed or anything just not really interested in sacrificing something I made and care about for an argument. Just saying a used GFX 100s is only like 3k, about the same price as a used Z8. If you don't need the AF or the video might as well get the GFX 100s for the resolution and the dynamic range.
>>4495765It's useless to shoot MF at 100MP without the most excellent lenses.It's useless to shoot MF at 100MP if you don't have an appropriate workflow.It's useless to shoot MF at 100MP if your editing program and monitor can't keep up with the nuance of the files.It's useless to shoot MF at 100MP if your archival and processing power capacities aren't adequate.It's useless to shoot MF at 100MP if all you will do is deliver at 8MP for a client.Even for people who don't need AF, floating the idea that the GFX system has comparable costs and can be a drop in replacement for a Z8 seriously makes me think you're just LARPing.
>>4495766This post is a whole lot of clownish nothing. What year are you from, 2012? Whats next, no one is pro enough to shoot raw?Some of it is mathematically, technically wrong too (needing uber lenses for many pixels) thats just idiotic snoy shit, dumg edge contrast chasing. You probably dont even know 35mm film is 400mp if edge contrast standards are tossed and only detail perceived is accounted for. GFX photos look better even at 8mp. Less noise. Less aliasing and bayer garble. Better color and gradients. Finer detail, yes, even when downscaled. Cry moar. Nicer cameras are nicer and no amount of your mobile goalposts will ever change it. Just get to the “PHOTOS ARE ONLY FOR DA HUSTLE AND INSTAGRAM!” part so we can laugh at you.
>did you just buy something nice!? BUT ARE YOU HECCIN PRODUCTIVE WITH IT!? IS IT A SENSIBLE BUSINESS EXPENSE!?Hustle incels need to die off already
>>4495778>did you buynobody in this thread has shown their gear, it's all empty words sucking the cocks of multinationals.
>>4495780>noooo dont spend money! businesses BAD! fight da system!Stop being gay.
>>4495777>strawman>lie>lie>strawman>strawmanYou are just fuming because I utterly destroyed your little LARP. Any person who has actually moved to the GFX system for serious work can confirm what I said is true. But a faggot like you who probably doesn't even have a camera? You think it's as easy as going to Amazon and clicking "buy"
>>4495781The amount of stuff you are hallucinating makes me wonder what rock would squash your head the best in front of your parents
>>4495784>>4495782Nice impotent rage but your little crab bucket episode amounted to boomer “u o ly need 10 mpoxels for a shaaarp sharp print” autism and thinking everyone still uses a thinkpad t200. You may as well be cockwell insisting only the proest of pros need and are equipped to *gasp* shoot raw. Better cameras are better. No matter what you think, people can buy them if they can afford them and want to enjoy nicer looking photos.
>>4495785>“u o ly need 10 mpoxels for a shaaarp sharp print”never said it, you should be killed>Better cameras are betternever said the GFX system was inferior, you should be killed
>>4495782>for serious work! DA HUSTLE!Cameras are for personal enjoyment first, family and friends second, and optionally beer money third. No one cares if your 8x10 magazine covers and photoshoots for socials dont sneed more and its a bad business expense. Life is not a side gig. People like you seethe if someone buys a car that wouldnt be an economical fleet car for the insurance sales biz. And you always want to tear other people down like they all live off profit margins. Can’t smell miserable without miser. Fuck off back to your hustle, incel. We live life here. Come back when you can conceive of clocking out.
>>4495786Nice impotent rage. You wouldn’t be screeching about death if I weren’t dead on. People who are right don’t need to wish for death. They just defend themselves when the people in the wrong get pissy and start shit - first the wrong complain, then they chant, then they provoke and impede, then they fight, then they lose. It’s the way of the world.
>>4495787>Cameras are for personal enjoyment first, family and friends second, and optionally beer money third. thanks Jesus H. Christ for imparting the objective truth upon the Earth>We live life hereSo that's you post zero photos and can only gloat about imaginary gear you probably only have seen in magazines, got it
>>4495788You're so dead on that you have to make up stuff nobody has said. That is the hallmark of the humiliated faggot grasping at straws
>>4495789Shhhh little crab, stay in your bucket. The others climbing out doesn’t affect you. They will buy nice cameras because they like the way the photos look. They will spend some money inefficiently. And you will be unhappy either way.
>>4495791ShhhhhYou lost. It’s okay. You were going to be mad about hobbyists buying nice sony full frames even if you “won” the argument anyways.
>>4495793>>4495792Thanks for conceding, it was nice exposing liar faggots who talk about gear they don't own. I give zero fucks about dumb retards dropping 10k on a camera of which they will use 1% of its functionality, espexially since you are not one of them but only a LARPer LMAO!
>>4495794See? You’re mad anyways. Anon is going to buy a nicer camera and enjoy the nicer photosAnd you will be bitter like those people who are perpetually fuming because successful men and women can enjoy nicer cars than them>YOU DONT EVEN RACE PROFESSIONALLY! ITS WASTED ON YOU! -those people (probably you too lol)
>>4495766Yeah most of that is true. If you shoot weddings get a Z8 or something similar. If you are not willing to put enough effort into your images to edit them in Capture One and print the ones that are actually important you probably should get something cheaper and smaller. Your really just in it to buy another gadget. Go pick something sold in Best buy.
>>4495777They're too poor to have tried digital medium format and the are seething about it. It's not like it's better at everything. Full frame is still good too. The whole point is to have 100mp and then just downscale on export to whatever you need.
>>4495818>wedding snapshits? oh yeah get a Z8>but dont you dare buy a gfx100s if you arent going to...What kind of cope is this? Just you telling yourself the nicer toy you can afford is worth it (plus you can hustle!) but the one you can't afford isn't even worth considering. Holy cope.You know the GFX100S just takes better photos right? At every ISO, at every print size larger than 4x6, viewing on a macbook pro or a decent flatscreen TV, it just looks better than any r5 or z7ii, and definitely better than any sony. That's it. That's what it does. The photos look better no matter what you're doing, as long as what you're doing is even slightly beyond the reach of what an iphone can do. Exquisite rendering, so photos of the fur on your dogs balls finally look like they do in real life, instead of like digital bayer mush or xtranny worms.Don't be a coping poorfag. Get real, and get a job. Medium format mogs your baby full frame sensor. End of story, bitch. And this isn't even as good as it gets. A REAL medium format sensor would have twice as much tonality as this, and three times more than your faggy SNOY. Just wait until you see my 8x10 technical camera.
>>4495821It was nice to post a phone picture of your dog
>>4495819>a camera is just its megapixels
>>4495821Another based gsd owner with 8x10 camera? Very cool.What brand ball is that btw? Looks like a good one.
>>4495765And yet it's a problem to post some more when relevant and directly asked?
>>4495821This looks like a phone photo
>>4495821Please dont post dogs deepthroating balls
>medium format sensor>medium format… señiorFujipacos will never recover from this hot tamale. Now round up your dogs and go home before I call ICE.
>>4495821Lmao I was agreeing with you anon. I was saying get a Z8 if you need the better autofocus or burst.
>>4495836Yep pretty much. It's about getting pixels in focus, exposed, and colors you want. The rest is determined by the lens. All of it is determined by the photographer.
>>4495907dude, nobody here is forcing you to reiterate on your cluelessness. you can stop posting, you know?
>>4495908Are you saying megapixels don't matter?
>>4495913Am I?
>>4495836But what about my 200MP phone camera?
>>4495919200 boohoores =/= image sizephones only have like 5mp of true res, those huge image sizes are to scam you and fill your storage fast, so many retards go for the bigger storage models, paying like 1-2€ per gb
>>4495920So it isn't just about megapickles after all?
>>4495918Lmao get a job anon. Stop arguing and save up for a better camera pal.
>>4495932Lol you got her ass. She's going to have to type out like two paragraphs of undiagnosed camera based schizophrenia
>>4495920>>4495919I asked Grok cause its been decades since I've done this kind of calculations. Feel free to check it by yourself. Here's relevant bits."how big in mm dimensions a 100 megapixel 3:2 sensor had to be assuming diffraction limited f1.2 lens of focal length same as sensor diagonal in mm"Horizontal width = 12,909 × 0.00066 mm ≈ 8.52 mmVertical height = 8,606 × 0.00066 mm ≈ 5.68 mmDiagonal = √(8.522 + 5.682) ≈ 10.25 mm"what would be the practical ISO of sensor with such small pixel size and Bayer filter?"Base / native ISO — roughly ISO 25–50 (very low to keep read noise from dominating tiny signals).Practical clean daylight ISO — up to ISO 100–200 at best (still noisy at 100% view).Usable low-light ISO — ISO 400–800 would already look quite bad (heavy chroma noise, loss of color accuracy, posterization in shadows)....In short: Without aggressive binning + computational tricks, this sensor would feel like using a ~2012–2015 compact camera at high megapixel modes — base ISO ~50–100, really struggling above ISO 400. With all modern phone-style processing turned on, it could deliver surprisingly usable results up to ~ISO 3200–6400 in brightened low-light scenes, but only at heavily binned resolutions (6–25 MP) and with typical AI-smoothed look (reduced fine detail and texture).This is exactly why no one builds 100 MP sensors this small for "photography-first" cameras — the pixel-level performance would be too compromised without relying on smartphone-style heavy processing.
>>4495943I already own the best camera for my needs. Why would I waste money on an inferior product for what I have to do?
>>4495951>I asked Grok ca-ACK
