I was looking around in my city for a public/community shared darkroom/print space as I don’t have the space to do it at home and found a place that sounds great as far as the facilities go, but the people running it and their whole mission seems to be progressive woke womyn run and focused. Not explicitly, they supposedly “welcome everyone” but like picrel just says it all. I looked around for other options and basically every artists group here is the same, the school of art, open art spaces, even the local “hacker/makerspace” seems to be a tranny daycare. Just maximum virtue signalling buzzwords and labels type of people, and it seems you can’t find just a basic “normal” non-political photography group. What’s up with that? Are we really just outliers on here? Like I’m still tempted cause it’s only 35 bucks a year for 24/7 darkroom access but I’d basically have to do maximum power level hiding at all times. Wonder if it’s worth it. How have you all found other photographers to be? Is this the nature of “creative” pursuits? Were the wokeys right, conservatives can’t into art?
>>4481747Just take pictures of things you want to take pictures of, dude.
If you must hide it at all times, then calling it a "power" is just cope. Carefully consider if you really want to develop your photos in a tranny mating booth. You might be better off just sending your stuff to a lab like the rest of us.
The arts as a whole have been systematically forced into this ideology. The US Government unironically did it. Long story, but it dates back to children of prominent government and military figures infiltrating music subcultures that professed anti-war and anti-government ideas and turning them into drug addled sex parties.They even double tapped universities when occupy wall street broke out, because antigovernment sentiment wasn't dead yet. Now all those groups are pro government. It worked! Yes, I know, the anti-government is starting to come back and they hate jews now, I know... every time they try to kill it, they make it worse.Knowing that epstein was a thing, this shoudn't sound crazy. Because the government sysematically discrediting the art by injecting them with absurdity is tamer than all that shit. MKULTRA is history now, not a conspiracy theory, so please, do not be surprised.>ex math teacher>hedge fund billionaire overnight>close friend of last israeli BM>invites major figures from every country to occult sex parties in a fucked up satanic synagogue on a private island>blackmail material generator and everyone loves him regardless of political affiliationYeah that's just the kind of thing the funny clothing people in white temples that run our society do
>>4481747Photography is political you gooner ass wad. Fucking short bus people.
>>4481770It isn’t.
>>4481747100% worth it if you actually have pictures to print. Just keep your head down and stay focused on your work. It's not like you're making prints for the community darkroom...
>>4481747Bruh stay lowkey if that darkroom is cheap. Try to talk here and there and then draw your own conclusions. I am also chud leaning but I am friends with commies and liberals. I larp as apolitical. I have discovered that some of commies and libs are really nice people if you don't discuss politics with them because that is their religion and everyone is retarded about their religion. But I stay 100 meters away from lgbt and "activist" types, they're genuinely mentally ill.>Were the wokeys right, conservatives can’t into art?Photography is may be the most woke art medium so even historically every right leaning photographers have to larp as apolitical for example William Eggleston, Robert Adams, Andreas Gursky etc.
>>4481779Read through it again and it looks like 35$ year for “membership” and then a day rate whenever you book. Still not too bad and their setup looks decent for basically what I shoot (up to 4x5). Might be worth just trying if nothing else I guess. Certainly don’t have the space for a 4x5 enlarger in my tiny place.>>4481770>>4481779>photography is political>Photography is may be the most woke art mediumBut why tho? I doubt my building corners, rocks, trees, and backs of peoples heads make much of a political statement if at all.
>>4481791>>Photography is may be the most woke art mediumMy bad for putting it that way. Photography is filled with woke types mostly. But I don't give a fuck. I say lots of things through my photos but don't care about taking part in discussions.
>2025>retards still don't get what "art is political means"grimanyway, just don't engage seriously with anyone in there, just say hello,smile a bit and use the stuff nigga. Its not that hard
>>4481808I guess it was more a question of why, maybe it’s cause I’m autistic but I suppose I’d be one of those retards you mention. To me it’s like saying playing guitar is political. I don’t see how without politicized intentionality. But yeah head in the sand and light pleasantries should be fine but I imagine people will maybe want to talk about your work and theirs and those sorts of things if you bump into them enough.
>>4481823What >>4481766 said is actually true, strange scenes in laurel canyon and social justice being forced by the state and banks come to mind. Art was intentionally politicized in a dumb way to stop it from spreading effective messages that the US feds didn’t like.
>>4481770explain how this photograph is political
>>4481770>political only means woke 50 gender nonsense
>>4481834Are you too stupid to know why humans domesticated cats? Couldn't be me.
>>4481837Yall are either dumb as fuck or intentionally change the meaning of words to fit your narrative. Woke means politically aware of the times and adjusting your behavior to not put yourself in danger. Again. Short bus people.
>>4481869So I can’t be a “photographer” without believing this?
>>4481869>woke means women should dress modestly and not walk home alone in the dark drunk after midnightYeah I bet the woke crowd will love that one
>>4481869>woke means sheepGo full vancePlay their gameFuck a couchPhotograph itThe right rises again
>>4481869Your window for that particular propagandization has been long closed.
Look for the boomer tier camera clubs. The ones with old men in them.
>>4481912My old university did have a camera club/darkroom that was run by boomers but some years ago now the student union shut them down because they found it “unfair” that their club room had a sink and other fixtures and was bigger than the modern “club spaces” (photo club was one of the oldest on campus and predated the modern student rec building and new club structures). Effectively killed the club cause the darkrooms were a big part of it. Sadly ow it seems the only public darkroom facilities are at “artists collective” type places like in OP. I guess partly cause boomer chuds could just set up at home? It’s a curious phenomenon
>>4481924Too expensive to run a community darkroom
>>4481747if you are afraid and must have a ""safe space"" just to do photo prints you already outdid them in pants pissing crybaby contest
That's just the arts. The vast majority of people in arts circles are incredibly self-absorbed, self-righteous, and self-serving because you kind of have to be in order to push to make a name for yourself. If you don't have a recognized name/identity/brand then you don't get the funding.That's why there's all this drivel being published alongside the actual art pieces, too, because that's the current landscape; it's very hard to be cutting edge in the technical or thematic sense, so you adopt the narrative of the thing that's currently the impactful hot topic. Right now that's identity politics, and it's left-leaning because left-leaning people are more likely to end up pursuing the arts instead of something more traditionally productive. I'm left-leaning myself, but I am tired of the local art scene being a bunch of navel-gazers "challenging patriarchal, heteronormative views with their art" while producing the worst derivative drivel
>>4481747I just develop in my bathroom. Kill the lights, red cellophane tape at the bottom of the door to provide my dim red light, turn the fan on, work that shit, bobs yer oncle. When I'm done i clean up & it turns back into a bathroom. This prevents me from having yet another room full of bullshit piling up to maintain and worry aboot. The whole jimjam is a mishmash in my wigwam.
>>4481747>OP is shocked to discover that most people in reality do not resemble the right wing fantasy bubble he has chosen to live inYeah no shit OP, people will let you join but when they find out you're an asshole they'll probably boot you, bc nobody likes having a stinking asshole around, they just enrage the dicks until the dicks fuck the assholes. In all seriousness, have you considered: growing the fuck up? Nows a real good time.
>>4481947>. If you don't have a recognized name/identity/brand then you don't get the funding.>That's why there's all this drivel being published alongside the actual art pieces, too,Yeah this is what it looks like if you have no fucking idea how this shit actually works. When you learn how much everyone hates writing fucking Artists Statements, and you realize that celebrity only sells to an absolutely minuscule clientele which is why it's a tiny fraction of all the work that gets featured & sold every year, & how many fucking galleries there are that can't even buy from a big name once a year, you will start to understand why half the galleries in any given city are scrambling all day every day looking for someone new with a large & consistently interesting body of work to promote before their competitor across the street gets it. There is a ton of garbage in every fucking gallery, bc they are fucking desperate.The public perception of the value of a photograph is the problem for you fucks. You had better figure out not only how you're going to master the techical skill of photo, which everyone now finds uninteresting, but nigga you have to have something to say and your fucking photos need to say it, clearly. What the fuck do you losers and edgemiesters have to say, "jews r bad"? "Everything I don't like is woke"? This place is a wide open uncensored journal made for you and all every thread has shown is that none of you tards have anything to say. Why would you think anyone would find your snapshits more compelling on the market? None of you are photographers, you're losers with cameras...except that dude who travels & posts here. He's okay. But the rest of you got nothin.
>>4481962My work says something, but no one wants to listen. It's whatever. I have fun taking pics.
>>4481962>Uh, you just don't like jews, replacement migration, and forcing sexual dysfunction on children to glorify it?>Well on the left we have things like feeling sorry for all of those people and showing that they're people too! Now that's more to say!>It's literally the same photos with different artists statements>"here we have oppressed people, white people did this">"here we have a migrant plague, jews did this">"look at how diverse this LGBTQ individual at a gay pride rally is and appreciate them for how much they enjoy being themselves">"look at how mentally ill this self-mutilating pederast is and appreciate them for how evil they are to flash children and encourage 12 year old boys to consider castration if they aren't loud and don't like trucks"what is the point if all you can do is spin narratives about social justice garbage? you are the same people and don't know it, because you are both fed narratives from a government source and mistakenly believe each government source is on a different side
>>4481962I don't think anything you said contradicts what I said.Most of what's being submitted to galleries is garbage drivel. It's like you said: no one cares about the technical aspect anymore, so everyone is trying to have something deep, meaningful, and impactful to say, so they attach themselves to whatever narrative is selling right now to convince themselves (and other people) that it makes up for their stunning lack of real ability and vision.When I said you need to have a name, I didn't mean a big name or a celebrity. I meant that you just need to be somewhat recognizable. Why would you show some nobody over someone who's got connections? That much is obvious because humans work that way. What I'm describing is how it seems, to me, that people go about trying to make those connections, ie. by trying to sell a political narrative that challenges this and that and blah blah blah.Sure, maybe all art is political by nature. I want to see a reduction in politics masquerading as art because it often, at the scale of local galleries, makes for really bad art. Doesn't matter if the message is "I'm so queer and marginalized" or "I really don't like Jews"
