I was looking around in my city for a public/community shared darkroom/print space as I don’t have the space to do it at home and found a place that sounds great as far as the facilities go, but the people running it and their whole mission seems to be progressive woke womyn run and focused. Not explicitly, they supposedly “welcome everyone” but like picrel just says it all. I looked around for other options and basically every artists group here is the same, the school of art, open art spaces, even the local “hacker/makerspace” seems to be a tranny daycare. Just maximum virtue signalling buzzwords and labels type of people, and it seems you can’t find just a basic “normal” non-political photography group. What’s up with that? Are we really just outliers on here? Like I’m still tempted cause it’s only 35 bucks a year for 24/7 darkroom access but I’d basically have to do maximum power level hiding at all times. Wonder if it’s worth it. How have you all found other photographers to be? Is this the nature of “creative” pursuits? Were the wokeys right, conservatives can’t into art?
>>4481747Just take pictures of things you want to take pictures of, dude.
If you must hide it at all times, then calling it a "power" is just cope. Carefully consider if you really want to develop your photos in a tranny mating booth. You might be better off just sending your stuff to a lab like the rest of us.
The arts as a whole have been systematically forced into this ideology. The US Government unironically did it. Long story, but it dates back to children of prominent government and military figures infiltrating music subcultures that professed anti-war and anti-government ideas and turning them into drug addled sex parties.They even double tapped universities when occupy wall street broke out, because antigovernment sentiment wasn't dead yet. Now all those groups are pro government. It worked! Yes, I know, the anti-government is starting to come back and they hate jews now, I know... every time they try to kill it, they make it worse.Knowing that epstein was a thing, this shoudn't sound crazy. Because the government sysematically discrediting the art by injecting them with absurdity is tamer than all that shit. MKULTRA is history now, not a conspiracy theory, so please, do not be surprised.>ex math teacher>hedge fund billionaire overnight>close friend of last israeli BM>invites major figures from every country to occult sex parties in a fucked up satanic synagogue on a private island>blackmail material generator and everyone loves him regardless of political affiliationYeah that's just the kind of thing the funny clothing people in white temples that run our society do
>>4481747Photography is political you gooner ass wad. Fucking short bus people.
>>4481770It isn’t.
>>4481747100% worth it if you actually have pictures to print. Just keep your head down and stay focused on your work. It's not like you're making prints for the community darkroom...
>>4481747Bruh stay lowkey if that darkroom is cheap. Try to talk here and there and then draw your own conclusions. I am also chud leaning but I am friends with commies and liberals. I larp as apolitical. I have discovered that some of commies and libs are really nice people if you don't discuss politics with them because that is their religion and everyone is retarded about their religion. But I stay 100 meters away from lgbt and "activist" types, they're genuinely mentally ill.>Were the wokeys right, conservatives can’t into art?Photography is may be the most woke art medium so even historically every right leaning photographers have to larp as apolitical for example William Eggleston, Robert Adams, Andreas Gursky etc.
>>4481779Read through it again and it looks like 35$ year for “membership” and then a day rate whenever you book. Still not too bad and their setup looks decent for basically what I shoot (up to 4x5). Might be worth just trying if nothing else I guess. Certainly don’t have the space for a 4x5 enlarger in my tiny place.>>4481770>>4481779>photography is political>Photography is may be the most woke art mediumBut why tho? I doubt my building corners, rocks, trees, and backs of peoples heads make much of a political statement if at all.
>>4481791>>Photography is may be the most woke art mediumMy bad for putting it that way. Photography is filled with woke types mostly. But I don't give a fuck. I say lots of things through my photos but don't care about taking part in discussions.
>2025>retards still don't get what "art is political means"grimanyway, just don't engage seriously with anyone in there, just say hello,smile a bit and use the stuff nigga. Its not that hard
>>4481808I guess it was more a question of why, maybe it’s cause I’m autistic but I suppose I’d be one of those retards you mention. To me it’s like saying playing guitar is political. I don’t see how without politicized intentionality. But yeah head in the sand and light pleasantries should be fine but I imagine people will maybe want to talk about your work and theirs and those sorts of things if you bump into them enough.
>>4481823What >>4481766 said is actually true, strange scenes in laurel canyon and social justice being forced by the state and banks come to mind. Art was intentionally politicized in a dumb way to stop it from spreading effective messages that the US feds didn’t like.
>>4481770explain how this photograph is political
>>4481770>political only means woke 50 gender nonsense
>>4481834Are you too stupid to know why humans domesticated cats? Couldn't be me.
>>4481837Yall are either dumb as fuck or intentionally change the meaning of words to fit your narrative. Woke means politically aware of the times and adjusting your behavior to not put yourself in danger. Again. Short bus people.
>>4481869So I can’t be a “photographer” without believing this?
>>4481869>woke means women should dress modestly and not walk home alone in the dark drunk after midnightYeah I bet the woke crowd will love that one
>>4481869>woke means sheepGo full vancePlay their gameFuck a couchPhotograph itThe right rises again
>>4481869Your window for that particular propagandization has been long closed.
Look for the boomer tier camera clubs. The ones with old men in them.
>>4481912My old university did have a camera club/darkroom that was run by boomers but some years ago now the student union shut them down because they found it “unfair” that their club room had a sink and other fixtures and was bigger than the modern “club spaces” (photo club was one of the oldest on campus and predated the modern student rec building and new club structures). Effectively killed the club cause the darkrooms were a big part of it. Sadly ow it seems the only public darkroom facilities are at “artists collective” type places like in OP. I guess partly cause boomer chuds could just set up at home? It’s a curious phenomenon
>>4481924Too expensive to run a community darkroom
>>4481747if you are afraid and must have a ""safe space"" just to do photo prints you already outdid them in pants pissing crybaby contest
That's just the arts. The vast majority of people in arts circles are incredibly self-absorbed, self-righteous, and self-serving because you kind of have to be in order to push to make a name for yourself. If you don't have a recognized name/identity/brand then you don't get the funding.That's why there's all this drivel being published alongside the actual art pieces, too, because that's the current landscape; it's very hard to be cutting edge in the technical or thematic sense, so you adopt the narrative of the thing that's currently the impactful hot topic. Right now that's identity politics, and it's left-leaning because left-leaning people are more likely to end up pursuing the arts instead of something more traditionally productive. I'm left-leaning myself, but I am tired of the local art scene being a bunch of navel-gazers "challenging patriarchal, heteronormative views with their art" while producing the worst derivative drivel
>>4481747I just develop in my bathroom. Kill the lights, red cellophane tape at the bottom of the door to provide my dim red light, turn the fan on, work that shit, bobs yer oncle. When I'm done i clean up & it turns back into a bathroom. This prevents me from having yet another room full of bullshit piling up to maintain and worry aboot. The whole jimjam is a mishmash in my wigwam.
>>4481747>OP is shocked to discover that most people in reality do not resemble the right wing fantasy bubble he has chosen to live inYeah no shit OP, people will let you join but when they find out you're an asshole they'll probably boot you, bc nobody likes having a stinking asshole around, they just enrage the dicks until the dicks fuck the assholes. In all seriousness, have you considered: growing the fuck up? Nows a real good time.
>>4481947>. If you don't have a recognized name/identity/brand then you don't get the funding.>That's why there's all this drivel being published alongside the actual art pieces, too,Yeah this is what it looks like if you have no fucking idea how this shit actually works. When you learn how much everyone hates writing fucking Artists Statements, and you realize that celebrity only sells to an absolutely minuscule clientele which is why it's a tiny fraction of all the work that gets featured & sold every year, & how many fucking galleries there are that can't even buy from a big name once a year, you will start to understand why half the galleries in any given city are scrambling all day every day looking for someone new with a large & consistently interesting body of work to promote before their competitor across the street gets it. There is a ton of garbage in every fucking gallery, bc they are fucking desperate.The public perception of the value of a photograph is the problem for you fucks. You had better figure out not only how you're going to master the techical skill of photo, which everyone now finds uninteresting, but nigga you have to have something to say and your fucking photos need to say it, clearly. What the fuck do you losers and edgemiesters have to say, "jews r bad"? "Everything I don't like is woke"? This place is a wide open uncensored journal made for you and all every thread has shown is that none of you tards have anything to say. Why would you think anyone would find your snapshits more compelling on the market? None of you are photographers, you're losers with cameras...except that dude who travels & posts here. He's okay. But the rest of you got nothin.
>>4481962My work says something, but no one wants to listen. It's whatever. I have fun taking pics.
>>4481962>Uh, you just don't like jews, replacement migration, and forcing sexual dysfunction on children to glorify it?>Well on the left we have things like feeling sorry for all of those people and showing that they're people too! Now that's more to say!>It's literally the same photos with different artists statements>"here we have oppressed people, white people did this">"here we have a migrant plague, jews did this">"look at how diverse this LGBTQ individual at a gay pride rally is and appreciate them for how much they enjoy being themselves">"look at how mentally ill this self-mutilating pederast is and appreciate them for how evil they are to flash children and encourage 12 year old boys to consider castration if they aren't loud and don't like trucks"what is the point if all you can do is spin narratives about social justice garbage? you are the same people and don't know it, because you are both fed narratives from a government source and mistakenly believe each government source is on a different side
>>4481962I don't think anything you said contradicts what I said.Most of what's being submitted to galleries is garbage drivel. It's like you said: no one cares about the technical aspect anymore, so everyone is trying to have something deep, meaningful, and impactful to say, so they attach themselves to whatever narrative is selling right now to convince themselves (and other people) that it makes up for their stunning lack of real ability and vision.When I said you need to have a name, I didn't mean a big name or a celebrity. I meant that you just need to be somewhat recognizable. Why would you show some nobody over someone who's got connections? That much is obvious because humans work that way. What I'm describing is how it seems, to me, that people go about trying to make those connections, ie. by trying to sell a political narrative that challenges this and that and blah blah blah.Sure, maybe all art is political by nature. I want to see a reduction in politics masquerading as art because it often, at the scale of local galleries, makes for really bad art. Doesn't matter if the message is "I'm so queer and marginalized" or "I really don't like Jews"
>>4482020>maybe all art is political by natureBut WHYYYY, my autism brain can’t understand this. How is a drawing of a rock political. How is a picture of my dog. A clay pot. Any art. I don’t get it.
>>4481968Do you also take pictures of contrails behind planes and the pharmacists at CVS schizobro?
>>4481968Yes, your entire post is exactly an example of what I’m telling you. You are incapable of anything but shitting out your mouth about your politics and your contempt for anyone who doesn’t share it, and the work this produces is unmarketable. I don’t give one solitary fuck that you chose to be an intellectually lazy asshole, it’s your life to waste and there are 8 billion more to choose from. The market doesn’t lie dumbass, it’s not the medium that’s the problem, it’s you personally. Your shortcomings as a human being have stunted your personal and social development and shrunk the size of the market for your work down to your own dumbass self and people as stupid as you, who predominately are not in the market for art bc they fundamentally see art for what it is, an active threat to your static dogmatic worldview. You have no fucking chance of producing photography as art because you yourself are completely hostile to the very aspects of art that people value with money: explorations into unfamiliar perspectives and making discoveries that internalized result in the creation of physical work that when seen by audiences, causes them to also have their own exploration cycles for themselves even if they do not take it to the creation stage. The wider the audience the greater the value.You with your head full of fuck and your little snapshit camera are not novel, you’re the default, and no one is going to find value in you or your output.
>>4482023Its simple really, but people tend to be confused because they associate "politics" with the left/right dichotomy or retarded american understanding of these.But basically "all art is political" refers to the context where an art piece was created, meaning the time,place and situation and how it influenced the work.Just think that way, how would Ansel Adams work would be if he didn't shoot large format, what if he did all shit on 35mm? Would it had the impact that It had? What if he had living before when plate photos were more common? Would he have used the same techniques? Again, kind of a stupid example but that is.
>>4482023Pretty much this guy's response >>>4482060I'll add: the point of art is communication of some idea about, or interpretation of, a subject. Taking the example of a drawing of a rock, sure, it could be art if you want to say something about the rock by means of your drawing of it. It's not just "this is what this rock looks like" but "based on how this rock is presented, you can scratch at something beyond it". The former is craft, the latter is art... in my view. You can debate where the line is and what falls on which side of it.
>>4482057Can you show me some chud photos posted in rpt? I'm just wondering where these chudsnaps are.
>>4482057> You are incapable of anything but shitting out your mouth about your politics and your contempt for anyone who doesn’t share itAnd anti-white goblins like thing in the OP don’t? The creatures that run "diversity is about getting rid of white people" don’t?Let me ask you what you call a right wing artist who hasn’t had his life systematically ruined out of spiteDrawing a blank?Apolitical. Fuck off and have an ICE day. You are losing the long game.
her IG isn't too bad, I've seen way worse@christinaoyawaleAs for the darkroom situation, just take advantage of the situation and pay no mind to their antics.
>>4482070All he actually said is "being against progressive ideology means you’re stoopid". He thinks the hard exclusion of non-progressive ideology from the arts is proof of this. He’s literally running off botched party affiliation and IQ studies from 20 years ago.
>>4482075Damn. I wanted to see the chudsnaps.
>>4482077A chud snap would be a photo of attractive white/east asian people or a beautiful natural scene
>>4482080>f attractive white/east asian peoplebruh with the incel vibes and yellow fever rolfmao
>>4482082>noooo you cant like asian people noooooooooooo they like you back thats not allowed we cant have two races that actually like each other reeeeeeeeeeeWho’s anti racist now huh lefty
>>4482020>Sure, maybe all art is political by nature.>>4482020Oh please SHUT THE FUCK UP. It is same as saying all art is religious. It is just a meaningless statements when in reality artists has billions of reasons to create.Politics is just one retarded lens to interpret art and it fucking stinks. If you want to play the all encompassing game than you can NEVER escape philosophy and it's branches such as metaphysics, epistemology and most importantly for arts aesthetics. Just accept that politics is your religion and don't try to shove it down everyone's throat.
>>4482086>I think that politics mean right/left ameritard dichotomyngmi
>>4482083Not him, but you're way more right of center than you think if you think the guy using the term "yellow fever" is a lefty.Take pictures of what you want to take pictures of. Like if you want to go around taking pictures of poor people in the 3rd world, do that. If nobody likes your art, then nobody likes your art and vice versa. Spending all day worrying about being around people who don't align with your political beliefs is not going to improve your photography.
>>4482088"All art is political" is a quintessential ameritard slogan. Toni Morrison said it. America is a nation of miserable politics obsessed freaks and you would fit in right with them.
>>4482086You are clearly making assumptions about me. I would promote philosophy over politics any and every day of the week. If you read what I wrote, you'll see that I'm arguing AGAINST art being a political medium ASIDE from the inescapable casualties of 1) someone interpreting it that way, and 2) every created thing necessarily being a product of the context in which it was created. Explicitly political art is the worst art.
>>4482089The radical far right has always liked asia dudeAll sides, all people, are racist. One simply prefers asians to semites. The other prefers semites to asians.
>>4482099Did you mean to reply to me or to >>4482083
>>4482099>The radical far right has always liked asia dudeNo, fuck the yellows and the joos. You are a disgrace
>>4482102hitler was a weeaboo and thought germans and east asians were the direct descendants of india’s original royal bloodline lolits just we wuz aryans vs we wuz abrahams. there are no real good guys.
>>4482098>2) every created thing necessarily being a product of the context in which it was created.Yes, I say we are all living in the post-dinosaur epoch so all art is about dinosaurs.
>>4481747nigga who gives a fuck stop playing into everything being politicized just go take some fucking pictures dude
>>4482118What? No, art created in the post-dinosaur epoch is just influenced by the distinct lack of dinosaurs, even if it's not a key. Art in the presence of dinosaurs would be certainly different because people would have the notion that sauropods are roaming the plains or some shit. Are you being disingenuous on purpose?
>>4482133Chickens are dinosaurs.
>>4482141Egg photography confirmed based and artistic.
>>4482141All birds are descended from theropod dinosaurs, but it doesn't mean they are dinosaurs.
>>4482169>all cats are descended from mammals but it doesn’t mean they are mammalsStfu sony shilling fedYou always say the dumbest shit
>>4482183Actually, I was wrong. Birds are legitimately theropods. How I've fallen... 6-year-old me would be devastated to get that wrong.
>>4482213At least you can admit youre wrong now instead of just screaming slurs incoherently after someone points out that you were wrong.
>>4481747Take it like sharing a space with flat earthers. Instead of astronomy discuss photography with them and you'll be perfectly fine.
>>4482125This right here. This thread is full of either grossly ignorant children or embarrassingly stupid adults who think like children. Take your shitty snaps and stick em on insta. Yer a photorgraphy yehaw whit power! You don’t jphave to think about what the fuck you’re saying or doing, just snap the pretty colors and bitch about Jews keeping you out of the gallery scene bc it’s everybody else’s fault for thinking too much about art, you don’t have to know what “all art is political” means, you don’t even have to know what the word political means in that context, just assume it’s those fuckin progressive nazi commie jew dyke fascists at it again bc that’s all you’ve been pumping in your 14yo boy brain for years and years.You absolute caricatures of 4chan failure.
>>4481834I look like this and do this.
>>4481747Yes, amateur arts are always woke. And the state will promote them financially. So museums and other venues.Right wing artists, aka normal people, are people who have good jobs and do that stuff as a side hobby. Most jazz players are doctors or lawyers and you wont see woke shit. The advanced people at any art tend to be right wing.
>>4483247lol my fucking sides weren't made for this shitpost more right wing retard fantasies
>>4483248You wont see blue hairos with 35 genders in a jazz band made of 50yo rich doctors. Thats for sure.Sorry, but """art""" is for leftists. Art is for right wing people.
>>4483248What do you call a right wing artist? Apolitical. >>4483249You wish. Really. The dichotomy is as false as that between scientific acumen and creativity. It was invented to maintain a cultural power structure, one created by a certain culture… that sources exceptionalism from refining debate, venerating logicality and internal consistency, elevating critique, and above all, a fanatical belief that god himself has chosen their culture to lead the world. And yet has an average IQ of exactly 100.
>>4481747>24/7 accessIs it like a gym with a swipe card or some shit? Genuinely interested in how they manage 24/7 access. Regardless of whether they were bearable people or not, it would still be more convenient to use at a time when nobody else is there. Especially if you're doing colour and some other cunt wants to use the red light or vice versa.
>>4483435I think it’s some kind of PIN code based thing like some apartments or security doors. It’s in a commercial building so I imagine it’s always lit at least but I actually haven’t been round there at night. I’m op btw I figure I’ll join it anyway just so I can get around to printing but I haven’t done it yet, it’s “downtown” and I live in the burbs so it’s not a simple drop by thing, but i think once I stockpile some more negatives I’ll finally go and bang out some prints. Maybe there’ll be less people around at night too.
>>4483256>What do you call a right wing artist? ApoliticalHi cANON
>>4483445Just because he used my phrase it doesn't mean he's me)))
>>4481758I want to take pictures of racing cars and bikes, but we only have shitbixes here where I live.
