Are rangefinders just point-and-shoot snapshitters with slightly more adjustability? I'm entertaining the idea of a smaller film camera but looking at pics taken by them and what they offer they seem like a glorified p&s. Am I missing something here?
>>4491816Some are like P&S, some are like regular cameras>looking at pics taken by themFilm cameras are just boxes, the only "look" comes from your lens and film stockIf you use a bad lens, it can look bad, if you use a good lens, it can look good
>>4491818I am looking at a Olympus RC for sale near me. I have a OM series SLR and like Zuiko lenses. Maybe the articles I've seen were shot by snapshitters but a lot of the pics I've seen just kinda look like normal vacation snaps if that makes sense.Rangefinders seem like a more portable setup than the SLR with more adjustability than a p&s that's cool with me. I was just wondering if there was something extra I wasn't taking into account.
>>4491819It's just a different focus method, that's allThe bodies do allow for different lens designs though, plenty of excellent (and tiny) RF lenses out thereAn RC would be like a P&S with viewfinder / manual focusing
>Are rangefinders just point-and-shoot snapshitters with slightly more adjustability?Yes. A local 35rc would be a great grab if the price is reasonable. The 'better' version would be a 35sp if you're shopping around online.
>>4491854he's about an hour away and is charging $125 for a working one that looks to be in good condition. If he'd take under $100 I'd consider it.
My only complaint with the SP would be the increased size, it seems closer to the OM rather than the RC. The faster lens is obviously a plus thought. Do you know if both Olympus cameras have light meters built in?
>>4491854German cameras are so gorgeous
Rangefinder shooter here.Yes and no. Stuff like my Canon 7s and Zorki-5 1958 version, or my Leningrad are absolutely not snapshitter cameras, and to some extent, my Leica. They're big and demand perfect rangefinder adjustment because of the type of lenses that get used on them.Now on the other hand, my FED-2, total point and snap camera. It has the collapsible I-26 lens in OP's post and fits in my pocket. The Leica is the same if I take the strap off and stick a 15 or 20mm lens on it
>>4492066nice b8 m8
>>4491854what would be a good price for one?
I was thinking about that, but going with a canon seems more logical to me. Canon, Nikon or the cheapest Leica. The cheapest Leica here costs 400U$ (new).
I am not skilled enough to justify spending over a grand on a Leica and I assume most people are the same if they're being honest with themselves.
>>4492351Leicas aren’t about skillThey’re about preserving traditional hobby photography instead of handing pros of ever decreasing aptitude cameras of ever increasing automation. Their high price is because everyone wants this but everyone in japan is too dumb and soulless to deliver it competently.
>>4492354I would imagine most Japanese companies see this as a niche market compared to where they make all their money: wedding and event photographers.
>>4492370You mean large agenciesFor example the AP buys sony bodies by the crate. They dont care if they break early, not like we care. They expect to break them early if they don’t break first. A failure rate is baked into the contract and sony makes a killing on service. They dont care about artism and ergos, colors and shit like photographers would because they shoot for the newspaperThese are the most profitable customers in the biz and they only really buy to keep the warranty current. Hence sony releases every camera twice.
I've seen a lot of people recommend the Canon QL17 and the Olympus 35SP. Are fixed lens rangefinder solid?
>>4492541Yes and the 45mm focal length lends itself to framing with your eyes, as in what you see standing where you are is what you're gonna get.
>>4491816Is that the same camera Ozu was using in the picture? It looks very close but not 100%
>>4492987No, that is a Nicca — you can identify it by the eyepiece.
why are so many old fixed lens rangefinders listed for over $100 on ebay with crusty light seals, non-working light meters, and funky lenses
>>4493097for teh lulz
>>4491816I recently bought a Canon P because it was really cheap and I already know how to fix them (they're easy to work on). It's such a beautiful camera, both to look at and to work on, but I dunno, I think I just don't like rangefinder cameras. I only got a few shots into a roll and ended up rewinding it and finishing it in another camera. I just find an SLR so much easier to work with.
>>4491816Rangefinders are a fucking joke and I laugh hard at boomers who claim it's "real" photography.Nigga, you can't even SEE THE REAL FRAMING of your shot
I bought a 35SP and the light meter isn't working. I tried to fix it but had no luck. Should I try to get it fixed or should I just go with vibes-based lighting?
>>4494333Who is claiming that only rangefinders are real photography? There are a few benefits of using a rangefinder:>Shorter flange distance can mean sharper lenses when compared with SLRs, though this also depends on the specific lens. >Less noise/vibration when taking a shot than some (especially older) SLR's. The vibration from mirror slap can reduce sharpness in photos, especially on older SLRs where dampers for the mirror may not be present or have deteriorated, see Nikon F. This is not an issue rangefinders suffer from. Also a quieter shutter can be useful in some circumstances.>Being able to see your subject through the viewfinder before they are in frame. Obviously this only applies when using focal lengths narrower than the outer-most frame lines in your finder, so it's not always applicable. >Generally easier to work on, fewer moving parts than an SLR due to not having the mirror mechanism. Everything else is either the same or a downside.
>>4494350just use an external lite meter
>>4494357>>Shorter flange distance can mean sharper lensesLens technology itself has been improving so much. no reason to obsess about shorter flange back.>>Less noise/vibrationThere are the Global shutter, Electronic shutter. when sony finally starts to R&D for their sensors it can get fucked.>>Being able to see your subject through the viewfinder before they are in frame. Probably the only reason RF would survive in the future. And the one of two only reasons why i like range finder. there are definitely more things to be improved in range finder technology >>Generally easier to work onRF unit is probably the most annoying shit to handle in a camera.
>>4496061>Lens technology itself has been improving so much. no reason to obsess about shorter flange back.Of course, but assuming two lenses are equal in everything else, the one with the short flange distance should in theory be sharper.>There are the Global shutter, Electronic shutter. when sony finally starts to R&D for their sensors it can get fucked.Most of the time when people are comparing rangefinders against alternatives, they're talking about film cameras. There are no e-shutters on film cameras.>RF unit is probably the most annoying shit to handle in a camera.No way near as bad as a mirror return. The actual rangefinder mechanisms don't usually go wrong unless you fuck with them or damage them. Mirror returns can be subject to decay from perished dampers, and will also feature more wear parts.
>>4496063Thanks for your feedback. I got learned a lot.Not my camera btw.
I really think there is a future of range finder system. The thing is, the japs will never take a risk and leica doesn't have the technology and forget about pixii their new camera is utterly shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PCq1wMqs3g
>>4496132These days an industrial infrared time of flight sensors are like $2 or less. It would make much more sense to use those.(This particular one is more suitable for robotics)
Shot my first roll with a Konica I Type B recently and it's been fun discovering how shit I am at this.
>>4496132To be fair that little USB-C port does everything all the other ports do. I do wish they had left the headphone jack in but it was superceded by Bluetooth.My Dell workstation I do all my photo edits on is an 11th-gen Xeon and still has a NIC port, two regular USB, two USB-C, a card reader, power and DisplayPort and HDMI, and through the C cables I can do Thunderbolt and use an E-GPU. It's pretty cool shit what new computers can do, I appreciate it every time I use old hardware.
>>4494329Dawg anything is going to feel uncomfortable at first. I've always given myself at least a solid few weeks of only using one camera before deciding if I actually like it or not. >>4494333>making up an argument >>4496131RAD camera>>4496784Only up from here
>>4496823Nah I know immediately if I'm going to like a camera or not.
>>4496833>I just find an SLR so much easier to work with.You took a couple of shots on an RF for the first time, found it more difficult than an SLR, and gave up. shockedpikachu.png
>>4496884I don't know why you're mad that I'm not using it. It's slower than the SLRs im used to. Pretty simple.
>>4496894I'm not mad, just think it's kinda wild way to go about life
>>4494347"I threw my leica" sounds like he did it intentionally. Also you'd have to be a real retard to bring a leica to a protest
>Yes... I bought your Canon IIIA. The one with speedlite control. And it made me feeel, like a PIECE OF SHITRangefinders are a dentist and pensioner's meme, I'll stick with my SLR bros.
You buy a SLR because you like taking pictures. You buy a rangefinder because you like taking pictures of rangefinders.
If you think photography is art, buy a rangefinder. If you don't, buy a boomer blobmera. Simple as.
>>4502722You seem to have mixed that up; the rangefinders are for the boomers and blobmeras are for art
>>4502722the opposite is true though.
>>4502722>cellphone picture of a leica >never a picture taken by a leicaeverytime
>>4502722Photography is not and can not be art. Art is something made entirely by a person to be beautiful or continue their culture. Art is normally unique to its creator, difficult to imitate, and unlikely to be reproduced by accident. Therefore the actual art is the photographing, and the photographers costume is of utmost importance. The “art photographer” is a sophisticated clown. A personality. An act.
>>4502772>I like to make up my own definitions and then tell people they use words wrongNeat
>>4502775>stop using the immediately obvious definitionArt is not and never will be what jews say it is. They do not define anything. They express their culture, which is spiteful, irrational, and self justifying “critique” of their host nation. Art is not literally anything that may have sprung from intent (in theory!) and might cause a reaction. And never will be. Sorry. Such bullshit is used to excuse everything as art but first and foremost, it is about supporting mockery of prior culture, also called deconstruction, and entrenching the nomads culture of hostile critique and self exaltation. It is a foul thing that turns away no beggar and no vandal and deems all human actions potentially art. It established a hegemon which shames and hates anyone who might exclude anyone. it declares them idiots, uncultured, unlearned in the philosophies made up by people who made up a story about magical space men choosing them to re the world. and it must, or else “art” that is innately hostile to the host culture would be turned away also, and there would be no room for the nomads to replace it with their own. But they have their own home now, and they can go there. Art is something made entirely by a person to be beautiful or to continue their culture. There is no other definition. To reject beauty, to reject culture, is to kill your own beauty and to kill your own culture so another more hostile one can replace it and restart the cycles of conquest and slaughter you so regretted.
>>4502777confirmed: darkroom printing with wetplates is art but digital photography is not
>>4502777>Art is what I say it is I bet you think you have a small ego too
I want it to fit in my coat pocket, I want it to take photos on the fly with as little prep as possible, I still want manual control, and I don't have a use or a desire for technically pristine photos. There's a use case for every major type of camera. OP needs to ask what photos he wants to take under which conditions and go from there.
i've been on rfs as my main manual focus cameras for around two years, and now i'm bad at focusing without an rf patch...>>4491816the main benefit of rangefinders for me is compactness. any given rf kit generally is smaller than its slr counterparts. this is one reason they are popular with street photographers. compact is nice when walking around with camera at hand for hours >>4499473what makes you say that? if i had a leica, i'd shoot it at a protest
I cant stop buying shitty ltm rangefinders. Ive spent enough for a great leika+lens combo in cheap soviet and japanese aluminum please help
>>4503156I have an M6 I bought after falling in love with my Canon P. It's better, it's without a doubt better, but it might not be as better by as much as you fear.
