Think about it logically.The A7C series, despite its warts, is:>responsible for a massive portion of E-mount adoption>bestselling>revealing of an enormous market for compact yet usable full frame stills MILCsWhy hasn't anyone else copied the concept? inb4:>A7C bodies are e-waste trashYes, that's why I want somebody else to try it.>Sigma, Panasonic, NikonThey all pussied out hard and catered too much to videofags. The fp could have been perfectly fine if they had traded the heatsink for IBIS and made the EVF solution less massive (ergo, added a hotshoe and copied Leica's Visoflex). Meanwhile, the bf is the fp but even less functional. The S9 caters to vlogfags above all. Without a viewfinder you're more or less fucked if you want to manual focus. Same for the ZR.For this to work, these faggot product engineers need to get real. A small body, ideally 61MP, with IBIS, reasonably sized grip to not have to skimp on battery life and SD card(s), and a modular tilting EVF. It's really that fucking simple, and Sony has proved that it's not only technically and economically feasible, but also a very good business move. So why haven't they done it?
>>4496215
>>4496216Why is the space for your fingers so small? Is the camera designed for women and small fingered men only?
>>4496217>Sony>Ergonomics Pick one
>>4496216>omg guys look at this vlogger cameraThe ZR doesn't even have a shutter. Who cares? >and this badly designed lens from 201X!The chinks copied nikons 40mm f2 and ported it to sony btwhttps://georgeholden.media/blog/ttartisan-40mm-f2-street-photography-reviewThere's also a great compact 50mm f2 for FE, and sigma's 90mm f2.8 is currently without paralell. No one else makes a compact FF f2.8 telephoto.>>4496218>THE SONY IS TOO BIG! >I MEAN ITS NOT BIG ENOUGH!Sony has never really been a "professional" (corporate snapshitter) brand and the first E mount cameras were not released targeting the "fast aperture pro zoom" market of journos and wedding snappers... the first lenses for it were compact f4s. I'm glad sony has continued to forget to think of them, otherwise their cameras would be DSLR sized like canon's.
>>4496216Why are e-mount lenses so xbox huge?
>>4496217>Why is the space for your fingers so small?>Get btfo>>4496219>Sony has never really been a "professional" (corporate snapshitter) brand and the first E mount cameras were not released targeting the "fast aperture pro zoom" market of journos and wedding snappers... the first lenses for it were compact f4s. I'm glad sony has continued to forget to think of them, otherwise their cameras would be DSLR sized like canon's.~~~~~~~ seriously, kys sony shill
>>4496218>>4496216Both these images have been reposted 3 times. Same md5 and filename. Who pays you?
Get on topic you fucking spergs. Generic sony shilling/shitting belongs in the gear thread.The point is that Sony has a golden concept with the A7C line, and this is proved by the fact that it continues to outsell despite being rather poorly executed, as you've all graciously demonstrated and as was already implied in the OP.
>>4496222Panasonic is my guess. They haven't released anything new since the S9. With them an A7C competitor could be visually be based on their L1 4/3 DSLR since that's what gave them the RF shape on the GX line
>>4496218>>4496221Dang I was going to get a sony to do wildlife, but I need a camera that will let me use longer lenses while wearing gloves. Any recommendations for a better brand?
>>4496222>>4496226>meanwhile shills Sony hundreds and thousands of times on this board
>>4496222>no argumentI accept your concession
They all got this weird obsession with prism humps on cameras that don't got prisms
>>4496233You would too if you didn't have anything else to hump.
>>4496233That's fine, those bodies have their place, but it's like there's some kind of taboo for them to try something else.Rumor has it that Nikon reps start to sweat if you ask about using the ZR for stills. Think about that for a moment, it either means they're gearing up for a full-frame Z30 release (good scenario) or they have some kind of internal politics bullshit going on where they're huffing the copium about Sony continuing to exploit this segment with zero competition and BTFOing them in the overall charts as a result.
>>4496222>Image board where people post images>shockedpikachuface.gif>meds.jpg
>>4496227Nikon if you want full frame. OM system if you want to save weight and money at the cost of image quality.
>>4496235I could see them taking the ZR frame and putting the remaining 45mp sensor in it as one of the last expeed 7 cameras before the z9ii and expeed 8. They'd call it a zfR or something stupid. Could do well if it has a viewfinder, attachable or otherwise.
>>4496244>>4496238>>4496232>>4496229SamefagEvery time>NO SONY IS NOT AN OPTION SAAR SONY IS SHIT YOU BUY BIG NIKON OR OLYMPUS SAAR
>>4496216Are you stupid?>>4496219Bodied that freak.
>>4496246lol take your meds anon. I posted the nikon and OM system rec because they specifically asked for alternatives to Sony. Sony has good options for wildlife too. They are decent cameras I have take great pictures with before. I just don't like how their lenses render street lights at night so I swapped to Nikon. I will say your constant screeching does more to put people off Sony than anything else. No one wants to be mistaken for being like you jsut cause they bought a Sony.
>>4496227Canon or Nikon. Theres a reason why pros use them, they have usable ergonomics.
>buy om system to save weight!For phone IQ? No thankspicrelated wildlife photog did a comparision between nikon z8 and om1.2 ... he even went so far to fake m43 on full frame by cropping in 2x and turns out the full frame image cropped in to 2x is still better quality than the m43 at its native cropand if you're willing to play that crop game all weight and price differences disappear. well the full frame kit actually is less expensive and weighs less lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcK5e_9_mZYhow will you rectify this problem?buy an f11-16 lens that is past the diffraction limited aperture when wide open and hit it with the AI sharpening?
>>4496253Anything smaller than medium format is unusable
>>4496254What's the best medium format or larger birding/wildlife set up then?
>>4496255How about Phase one iq4 + XF body + Blue ring lenses?
>>4496260That would be sick, but the longest lens for the XF bodies is like 260mm f4.5. You could use a mamiya 645 that has a 500mm f5.6, but that's kinda slooooow for the birdies and no AF.
>>4496220The mount was only made to accommodate an APS-C sensor. They shoved in a FF sensor without any planning. Thats why there are always corner issues and lens cant be as small.
>>4496216
>>4496269>f/2.5>$800
>>4496269Dated choicehttps://georgeholden.media/blog/ttartisan-40mm-f2-street-photography-review>>4496272Its 1/2 off used. Besides doesnt micro fool turds have $1000+ f2.8 equivalent lenses? Still better than overpriced om, foolji and panasonic dogshit
>>4496253I said buy om system if you want to save weight at the cost of image quality. Thank you for illustrating my point with facts and logic™
>>4496272I think jerking off about 2/3rds of a stop of wide-open aperture is retarded. Don't get me wrong, snoy word funny and all, but the optical performance of the lens is what matters.I'd happily give up f/2 > f/2.8 for a 50/40mm prime if it were the better performer. >see RF 28mm f/2.8
>>4496281>see RF 28mm f/2.8Dunno, I'd like the lens to have a less sterile look. Maybe I should use filters or shoot exclusively landscapes.
>>4496281I would rather a better, brighter lens at 1/4 the price.
>>4496283I keep seeing anons use this "sterile" word in reference to sharp lenses but what the fuck does it mean? It's just such an ambiguous, subjective discriptor. Like cool, I get that for hundred years plus your corners were mushy but I don't see the problem with that being fixed more or less now. Also, if that's your biggest concern then slap a 1/4 diffusion filter on and then you can take that off when you want better performance. In comparison you can't do anything if your turd of a lens isn't sharp enough.>>4496286>I would rather everything be amazing for fuck all moneyAnd I'd like a Porsche 918 for $100, what's your point? Also, better is subjective as per anon above. Better could mean less shading, or better resolution, or another dozen things. If you want the best of all worlds you're going to pay top dollar (and still not get everything).
>>4496245Why would you put a huge 45mp sensor in a video body? the ZRii needs a 12 MP fast sensor for video. Like the Sony FX3 and the ZV-E1. You know the sensor they should have put inside their FX2 body.
>>4496273>Dated choiceIt’s not that simple https://www.snapsbyfox.com/blog/ttartisan-40mm-f2-vs-sony-fe-40mm-f25-g
>>4496289>He fell for the overpriced is better snoy meme
>>4496289I think it's a too much information thing. For example if a lens faithfully reproduces every pimple, wart, pore and bristle of a beautiful subject in zillion megapickles it could be called sterile. Using a simpler lens with pleasant "character" or the "sterile" lens and a filter smeared with vaseline with could produce less detailed and faithful but more pleasant photo. It depends of subject and intention. Lens with "character" likely could be a bad choice for a star field photo but good for a moody landscape in fog.
>>4496281>>4496289
>>4496306Alright, I see your interpretation. But my counterpoint to that, is that your issues only affect a specific subset of photography, namely portraits and very specific landscape.If I can help it I use a 1/2 or 1/4 mist filter when I know I will be shooting portraits or people in general. But for my astro, landscapes, urban, macro, and product photography I'd rather have the optical clarity which I can't claw back from a soft shitty lens.So, looks like it comes down to use-case... which uhhh lo and behold applies to basically every camera related purchase. Calling a lens sterile with intentionally bad connotations seems like a cop out for anons that want to shit on something that's technically superior.>>4496300Nope. Cripplecanon. Sorry anon, no prize this time.Didn't overpay either, and I'm not poor, so the money thing doesn't make sense either. Shrug.
>>4496216I've sold my A7CII for the ZR to use as 50/50 photography and video. Very pleased with it. I much prefer the Nikon body as it feels nice in hand somehow, huge ass screen to replace that awful a7cii evf, buttons feel better, good UI, files are nicer to work with photo and video. So far not missing the manual shutter, no banding at all up to now (6000 raw files). Lots of fast movement of my kids. I guess the sensor is fast enough. Only thing that is annoying for all compact FF bodies: missing compact lenses. The 40mmf2 is mediocre. Good thing Viltrox is kinda filling that market. I'm still craving for something like the X-E5 or x-Pro3 that come with truly small lenses in width and length. But I don't wanna sacrifice the image quality
>>4496227I swear gloves with my A7C2 all the time. Never had an issue.
>>4496328>missing compact lensesJust git gud with manual focus and you can shoot with tiny third party M mount lenses.
>>4496331Yes that would be the other option, hmmm
Not entirely on topic but anyone have APSC mirrorless Nikon or Canon reccs that i can look at? Still stuck considering a Sony a6400 with some pancake + zoom
>>4496283RF glass has next to no 3d pop or micro contrast. It's over corrected and focuses more on global contrast.
>>4496294It wouldn't be a video body at that point. Nikon would advertise it as their version of rangefinder.
>>4496345What are some lenses that do have 3d pop?
>>4496348the lens you have with you
>>4496306I starting to think >>4496345 might be right, the pictures taken with the RF 28mm f2.8 just look slightly fake and uncanny to me. Or maybe I just hate wide angle lenses
>>4496351But I have an RF 28mm f/2.8 with me
>>4496353Your options are limited (by design) with RF mount. If you truly want to pursue the neverending autism of 3D pop you'll need a Nikon or Leica body for the thin sensor stack and subsequent compatibility with rangefinder and vintage lenses, or skip full frame purgatory entirely, to enter medium format heaven where the natural response of film combined with the higher resolution and smaller aberrations of 120 format compared to 135 create 3d pop in abundance for little effort.
>>4496355Could you show me a photo with this 3D pop you speak of?
>>4496356I just did, faggot. Kill yourself.
>>4496357Lmfao. So quick to turn sour.
>>4496355What are some lenses that do have 3d pop?
>>4496359NTA, but Canon EF 135mm f2 is said to have 3D pop: https://www.flickr.com/groups/625952@N23/pool/with/55052428417
>>4496359If you're asking genuinely, then Voigtlander 58/1.4, Zeiss ZM 35/1.4, Pentax 67 105/2.4 are a few examples of lenses typically said to reproduce depth in a pleasant and realistic way ("3d pop"). I'm sure some jackass is going to come out of the woodwork and disagree on an irrelevant technicality, so you're better off doing your own research.
>>4496345>anti sony shill (clive) reposting his disingenuous memes>now the 3d pop pseudOh wow canon doesnt have bokeh?>>4496352It looks fake because of heavy handed digital corrections and exotic wavy elements like those used in phones that literally throw away color rather than attempt to focus it correctly
>>4496362Whip out the optical science textbook and show us where “reproducing depth” is mentioned. Real things: color transmission, contrastDelusions: magic depth rendering that only vintage and european lenses can do!Fuck off you’re worse than guitar tone paint schizos
>>4496362Thanks. I'll look into those lenses.
>>4496365Notice how none of the lenses I listed are European and only one of them is out of production as of 2026. If you're one of the few unfortunates that can't see 3D pop no matter how hard they try (might be related to not having an internal monologue, or being unable to visualize and rotate an apple in your mind), it might be time to take a step back from such discussions.
Snoy did the right thing filling that void in the market, but I do believe other manufacturers will follow.
>>4496362Voigtlander and zeiss are pretty good in general for 3d pop. The Voigtlander Noktons in Z mount are pretty good for it if you want something with modern coatings and a chip.
>>4496367That's a really good example for demonstrating it. I literally can't understand how people are unable to see it.
>>4496365"3D pop" is a cult.
>>4496357>the most garish tacky shitty artificial f/0.95 look you will ever see>3D pop
>>44963793d pop comes from lighting,camera,lens,editing, and proper technique. There's no combo of camera that just shits out 3d pop in every picture. On the other hand shitty cameras and lenses may be incapable of producing the effect no matter how hard you try.
>>4496380It's f/2.4, try to keep up.
>>4496222Just like the green woman, I have to assume the even sadder reality that people posting this stuff are unpaid console warriors still battling in a long forgotten war
>>4496381Yeah this seems mostly true in my experience. It's easier to achieve the larger the format and some lenses just aren't capable of it. It really does come down to technique and the right conditions. You'll never get it with a cellphone though.
>>4496384Yeah larger formats definitely help. 8x10 headshots really show the effect nicely in the eyes of the subject.
>>4496382it's zoomer garbage, try to keep up
>he fell for the Zeiss 3D pop meme
>>4496396Hey if you don't see it thats okay pal. You could use zooms and not feel like your missing anything.Man this thread derailed hard lol
>>4496377Had a voigtlander 50mm f1.1 for a while. Chromatic aberration central and extreme vignetting, but holy heck the pop. Reality is that it is all field curvature.
I can't explain why, but I can't see myself doing photography in with anything than a rangefinder. But I'll pass on the Sony one.
>>4496406Yeah It's gotta be the field curvature mixed with the vignette. If you get a good central light on your subject it's pop city. Wish there was still a company making those older designs with modern af motors. should be cheaper to manufacture than the crazy high element count primes the major brands are churning out now.
>>4496407Honestly considering getting a used GFX100RF just cause of that. Don't want to shoot Sony or Leica and that seems like the only other decent option in the 3-5k$ range.
>>4496415Are you getting it solely for 100MP? That camera makes zero sense to me.
>>4496407Sony don't make a rangefinder>>4496415Not a rangefinder>>4496417He said he wants to get it because it's a rangefinder, even though it's not
>>4496407M43 has more soul than a snoy body ever could
>>4496423"soul" is how 4channers cope when they can't afford success
>Day 147 of asking any anon to explain 3D pop using real words instead of random buzzword schizoid terms
>>4496417It's the only reasonably priced full compact rangefinder style body with decent image quality. The Leica Q3 is more expensive for worse image quality and no back button focus. The Sony rxriii is worse image quality and Sony. The a7cr doesn't have good 28mm lens options to resolve it. Also Sony is gross to shoot. The gfx100rf has a pretty good 28mm lens and can crop into 35mm if you are willing to lose image quality for reach. I wish their was a cheaper option from canikon but they are obsessed with imitating an slr. I don't really need ibis and will be shooting it stopped down so the f4 doesn't really bother me that much. I'm more on the fence to see if Nikon or canon do anything interesting this year.
>>4496422Eh it's close enough
>>4496426It's nothing objective or measurable. It's just a pseud term used to describe images that have sharp detail on the subject, while also having a shallow depth of field. You can do it with almost any f/2.8 macro lens wide open or 1/3 of a stop down from that. Having your background be really far away from your subject with nothing in between the two also helps. If you buy a lens based on this you fell for one of the oldest reoccurring baits on the board. It's like the photography equivalent of falling for flat-earth bait.
>>4496426You'll never see it if you need it explained to you. You lack taste and ability
>>4496426>Low IQ consoomers fall for the marketing slopA tale as old as time
>>4496430Examples?
>>4496429Not really
>>4496431Seems like a cop out for explaining something you don't understand.
>>4496215Because unlike everyone else sony has good autofocus and more good small lenses than a buzzy pancake and a 50mm. They’re so far ahead its not worth competing.
>>4496475You're comparing garbage with other garbage.
>>4496475Truth nuke.>Sony:>40mm f2.5 G, 50mm f2.5 G, 24mm f2.8 G, 35mm f2.8 ZA>TTA 40mm f2, TTA 75mm f2>entire sigma i series (https://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/i-series?sigma_mount=12990)>entire samyang tiny series (https://www.lksamyang.com/ch/contents-room/main.php?seq=5&product=&type=&creator=)>entire viltrox air series (https://viltrox.com/collections/e-mount?filter.v.price.gte=&filter.v.price.lte=&filter.p.tag=Full+Frame&filter.p.tag=AF&sort_by=created-descending)"B-but nikon and canon have PANCAKES!"Yeah so your only options are 28mm or 26+28 (plastic)+40 (plastic) and nikon's pancake is notoriously awful and not even a real pancake (it's the same size as the 28mm but has the housing converted into an optional "hood" that adds back the filter threads and protects the telescoping optics)Sony is unbeaten for small lenses. If you need a small camera and hate sony your only other real option is a fujifilm x-e5.Micro four thirds is literally not an option. It costs as much as a used sony a7c kit, with worse colors and IQ, and the only plus is super shitty super slow zoom lenses with aperture ratings like f8-11 equivalent and f5.6 primes. Might as well buy a pns, nikon 1 or pentax Q so it ACTUALLY fits in your pocket, or better yet, a ricoh gr.
>>4496488>If you need a small camera and hate sony your only other real option is a fujifilm x-e5.>APS-CMissing the point entirely
>>4496488All of those third parties could (and some of them already do) manufacture for L mount. So there's no excuse for the Alliance, besides bullshit product-politics reasons like 'we don't want to compromise our existing lineups' (hardly anyone buys them to begin with).It's like these retards are allergic to success.
>>4496491>the alliancepanasonic and sigma can't make cameras with working autofocusthe entire point of mirrorless is better autofocus across the whole frame to make shooting more like using a phonemeanwhile panasigma crippled the s9 and bf so hard it was like they were expressly trying to make micro four thirds look like it has a point (artificially) by making cameras even shittier than the original a7c (which has sovl at this point)
>>4496492>panasonic and sigma can't make cameras with working autofocusThis is not the gear thread for chatting shit about brands, this is for discussing why nobody but Sony has done an A7C-like camera. So we'll have an A7C-like camera with shitty AF, who cares? Most people use the fp and bf for adapting rangefinder lenses anyway so the AF point is completely irrelevant
>>4496450>look at picture>it looks like it pops off the screen despite being a flat plain.>call it 3d pop>enjoy picture without needing a graph to explain whyIt's simply a factor lens, light, and subject anon. If you can't see it then I feel sorry for you. It's not an objective measurable fact your autistic spec sheet focused brain can comprehend. It's an aesthetic artistic quality that is so clear it's name is it's definition. Go buy a zoom and stop worrying about something you are unable to see
>jeet snoy shill thread>fails miserablyWhen will snoyfags learn?
>>4496520>thread created to beg anyone to make this camera as long as it isn't fucking sony>this is somehow sony shillingmeds
>>4496494only sony is competent and user-minded enough to pull this sort of camera offnikon is too autistic about technical perfectioncanon cripples and simplifies everything for the mommy with a camera marketpanasonic and sigma are incompetentfuji tries really hard but is only slightly more competent than the total idiots of cameras (the xe5 is almost as good as the a7ii now)
>>4496521SAAAR
>>4496530Trvth nvke but only because japanese businessmen make euro faux luxury look sensible with how out of touch they are. Steve jobs could design a better ILC than any nip company. But he wouldn’t because ILCs are durable goods that can remain effective and sufficient for a lifetime and that’s not real capitalism.
>>4496592>Steve jobs could design a better ILC than any nip companyIgnoring the fact that your lord and saviour is dead, no he couldn't. First off he didn't design most of the products you know and love, just like daddy Elon he simply oversees the real designers. Secondly Apple's actual designers have no idea about real cameras and what makes them good, they would either copy the japs but dumb it down and gimp it or try their own thing and end up with the magic mouse of cameras.
Absolutely sucks the only options for a rangefinder style body are Fujifilm and Sony. It's like either cripple yourself with aspc sensor and soft lenses or aspc sized mount and bad color science. Please Nikon or Canon release me from this pain and steal some Sony market share.
>>4496627zr, zf i guess, s9
>>4496629>mount size only affects apertureHmmm... okay>Snoy's only complaints come from people I haven't met personallyUh uhhh>Snoy outsells most other major players combinedMhmm, it's settled: You've got the IQ of a lego brick.
>>4496631>nooo SNOY SNOYwow sure is weird how sony sells so well despite one lifeless shrimpdick on 4chan hating it 24/7. it's almost like their cameras are... good.
>>4496633
>>4496633>here's a super expensive, low production-count behemoth to prove my point.Huehuehuehue.
>>4496627Sony A7CII>bad built quality>tiny evf for ants>sony colors>loud shutter>meh body designX-E5>beautiful body>small and light, small lenses>fuji film sims>shitty flat apsc image quality>worms and xtransNikon ZR>more a video camera>no evf but at least nice big screen>no nice compact lenses other than some plastic trashS9>bad built quality>no evf>rolling shutter issuesLeica Q>incredible lens but fixed>only used available, kinda old>meh evfLeica Q2/Q3>too expensiveWe are living in a not so perfect world where manufactorers can't manage to build one nice rangefinder that is just good without much negatives. X-Pro4, same size, with fullframe and a compact 35 and 50mm lens would be a dream.
>>4496656Yeah that about sums it up. The best rangefinder shaped option should not be an x100vi or gfx100rf. Legit infuriating
>>4496656>wall of dishonest autism text>sony is bad because it is ok!!!Bro sony outsells nikon, foolji, panashit, leicuck, and micro fool turds combined and for a reason. 4chan /p/ after clive from SAR comments raided it (and probably is still raiding it) is the only place that hates them. The rest of the world loves sony. Their cameras are great. >>4496641https://archive.palanq.win/p/search/image/vURPnXMOfDTRY4FwhTeqmg/Look, more reposts. Its just one guy. Now say>images, on an image board? medsAgain.
>>4496669He’s a paid shill. Possibly AI. Maybe to advertise, maybe to test consensus forcing after huskyfag (actual admitted jidf shill) drove ambush, cinefag and cANON away for shekels and primed /p/ for manipulationhttps://archive.palanq.win/p/search/image/Um8ysGqSwUJEhxFSj416Ag/And so many more…Perhaps the jews have something against sony cameras. Canon is a us military contractor and makes everything in japan. Nikon has stateside facilities and also contracts for the military. Sony isn’t and manufactures in non us allied lands.
>>4496627>I can't make good pictures with aps-cSad
>>4496670Sony sold an israeli semicon company off in 2025 when the shilling startedhttps://www.reuters.com/business/sony-explores-sale-cellular-chipsets-business-sources-say-2025-07-23/https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/b1r4ak81bgAn insider would know of this months to years in advance. Perhaps someone threatened sony with… social media slander shilling. And they laughed and didn’t cave.>snoygoys wonCanon is the only camera brand directly aiding operations. They’re kind of palantir adjacent. Nikon just makes riflescopes. https://investigate.afsc.org/company/canonBuy an rf 28mm f2.8 goy“Never buy a fucking snoy” -huskyfag, admitted jidf shill
>>4496675Enjoy your "ergonomics" and failing shutters
>>4496676>sony cameras outnumbered all other mirrorless sold early on>they see more use and abuse than any others>therefore more break>so sony is bad!Sure, and canon shutters fail but oh actually people are poking the closed dust cover now?Shalom
>>4496669>Bro sony outsellsNot saying their products are shit, they are just not fun. Not fun to hold in hands, not fun to shoot, not fun to edit. So perfect for normies that buy their first full frame camera. Foolji are the only ones that care about the user experience and even they can't manage to nail it. But of course I can't expect big investments and research in an dying niche product (consumer camera).
My god this thread is tiring to read.You're all either so deadset on talking these turds up.Or you're adamant these turds should go out of business.Nothing in between. No opinion between solid gold or e-waste.No thought given beyond what somebody else said.Both sides are god awful annoying.You should have to post your snoy with the serial number in frame and a written date in order to have an opinion because fuck me the endless shit flinging is astonishing. This board deserves its death
>>4496679>sony is horrible to use. trust me. they arent real heccin photographic tools. thats why everyone buys a sony. Sure rabbi. I wonder if anyone can draw a correlation between (((night media))) and youtubers “leaving sony” (while sony’s sales remain strong), and the timing of sony dumping israeli company altair and plausibly, getting rid of israeli influence/spying internally.
>>4496681Sony is well liked outside of /p/. Most professionals use sony. /p/ is subject to 24/7 inescapable sony hate unique among the internet. This sony hate involves obvious reposts and is connected to a poster who blatantly admitted he worked for the jidf and only showed up on /p/ to gaslight the three nazis into going away…And this worsened in the same timeframe sony began divesting from israeli interests. It’s a little too suspicious.
>>4496683Is mass appeal really what we love in 2025 /p/? Sony is now officially the mcdonalds of cameras.
>>4496685Mass appeal among pros in the professional equipment market matters a lot more than mass appeal in the snack food market. Most pros use sony. For their job. Every single day. Canon has a huge lens catalog and great pro support and yet people overwhelmingly go for sony. Huge agencies keep dumping canon contracts for MORE EXPENSIVE sony gear. Every new sony release ends up being the best selling camera while canon is always middle of the list and pads their market share with consumer aps-c cameras. Photographers love sony, they work with sony, and get exactly what they ask for from sony instead of what a marketing department thinks would be ideal for “most consumers” hence the customizable everything and menu system reminiscent of magic lantern. They’re the definitive professional tool at the moment, just ahead of nikon. You must admit sony isn’t bad. The fact is, /p/ and /p/ alone has been a 24/7 sony hate club and there are very clear and obvious signs only a few people are pushing it, and no where else on the internet or real life is unless its a small 4chan leak… and the timing, and one of the people pushing sony hate here, are connected to israel. Very suspicious. “Huge potential for manipulation” - Jefrey Epstein on 4chanI wonder how many of all five youtubers that shit on sony are connected to israeli owned talent agencies?
>>4496688>sony cameras are indeed the big mac of photographyGot it.
>>4496689>i will just pretend not to understand anything and will instead just say sony is bad until you leaveholy shill batman
>>4496688>Most pros use sonyt. This was once revealed to me in a dream
>>4496697>sony shill branded no u
>Sony is well liked outside of /p/. Most professionals use sony. /p/ is subject to 24/7 inescapable sony hate unique among the internet.
>>4496707THIS, but ironically.
>>4496669Until they break after their 3 year lifespan is up. They're great if you have their pro service. Which is why they sell well still. They are great tools for soulless photojournalists and YouTubers.
>>4496671It's a cope sensor format for boomer bird photographers and vloggers. I can make an interesting picture with anything. I just don't like using aspc unless it's Ricoh GR sized.
>>4496688Lol you should go read comments on the a7v review. It was a train of normies talking about how much they hate Sony.
>>4496711I have an A7 and an A7R III which are 12 and 8 years old respectively, still going strong.
>>4496715>shutter counts: 27, 104
>>4496716KEK
>>4496720Sorry, still not buying a Sony. I'm just not gonna!
>>4496729https://archive.palanq.win/p/search/image/7lxEA31c8MtrJMRD9WvTBA/Jesus christ this guy really is a shillPost a photo taken with your cameraAndPost a photo of your cameraI wish to see your third world country
>>4496729Based.
>>4496720You engage with every post in every thread that says even the slightest thing is wrong with sony. Now you're blaming it on the jews and a guy that posted his dog and had his own opinions. Absolutely rent free behavior. Funniest part is that if you just ignored it I bet he would eventually stop.We all know you spent your hard earned cash on a sony camera. That's fine bro. It comes off as desperate with how obsessed you are with proving the righteousness of your holy prosumer sony camera.
>>4496738>gets caught be a spamming shill reposting the same shit over and over>uh actually everyone who has a problem with me is just one guy im the victim here
>>4496739You are both equally bad and you are both doing just as much to ruin /p/.
>>4496732>if you don't buy my favourite brand I'm telling you to buy then you're a shill!What did the shill mean by this?
>>4496741Imagine how much better /p/ would be if he just owned the anti sony guy by posting amazing photograph after amazing photograph in response to his negativity.
>>4496716Lmao
>>4496742I honestly don't think there is a photograph impressive enough to shut a fan boy up
>>4496745>sony shill meltdownFar worse behavior and way more emotional than the anti sony shill. Sad. Stop ruining /p/
>>4496746>>4496742You’re certainly playing the victim after being caught shilling 24/7 try and force consensus, but you’re not posting a photoI don’t think you ever have. You only repost your lame anti-sony ads.
>>4496744I think the meltdown prone chartfag gearqueer snoyclown fanxirl guy could at least prove she/her point a bit better by posting amazing photos taken with xirs Snoymera. Apparently all snoys take shitty pictures and that is why everychad hates them. I don't think it takes photographs unfortunately.
>>4496732>>4496720>>4496670>>4496669Jesus christ if this sony hater isnt paid its just sadImagine dedicating the majority of your free time to trying to make it look like 4chan doesn’t even consider sony cameras an option. Astroturfing against a popular camera brand. For free.
>>4496747Cope harder. I'm not the anti sony shill and I've never argued about incredibly gay and worthless ewaste milc garbage. They're all the same trash and the real truth is that they want you arguing about cameras that are all essentially the same. You're just doing the advertising(and ruining /p/) for free by engaging. Imagine wasting your life defending prosumer trash that looks 100x worse than 35mm film.
og a7 posting camera still rips 12? years later
>>4496748>my fellow 4channersPost a photo shill boy>>4496222>the shill responded to this post 3 times and didnt even ask for an archive link for proof kek
>>4496750>im not a shill also stop saying sony cameras are good *nonsensical babble*Sony, Nikon, and Canon cameras are equally good. Sony cameras are not bad. They’re great. This shouldn’t offend you. Post a photo.
The jew fears the sony a7https://petapixel.com/2026/01/16/chart-topping-sony-a7-v-outsold-the-next-four-cameras-combined-at-map-camera/
>quad post of seetheKEK
>>4496751>disgusting green tint>cellphone tier quality>terrible composition Yep, all sony fanboys are snapshitters. It is confirmed.
>>4496758Wheres your photo? Do you own a camera? Why are you acting like you’re winning an argument when you’re not?
>>4496759>that>greenGet your screen checked nophoto>>4496760Indians do that a lot. They can never lose. They will call a taller man short even after he stands up and after he beats the cow shit out of them they’ll still accuse him of getting leg extensions. They also irrationally call everyone else indian the moment there is a reasonable suspicion they themselves are so get ready for his “gm saar”s
>post shitty green tinted snapshit>scream nophoto>cry nocamera>lose argumentTypical snoy fanboy. No wonder most people think sony is trash. Kek
>>4496749Yeah. Its really sad this shill wont even address irrefutable proof he spams the same shit over and over. Now he’s playing the victim, calling red green, and being a nophoto. If he’s paid for this they need to fire him. >>4496764Post photo. >most people thi->>4496757
Damn sony makes the worst cameras and has the most insufferable fanboys. At least they're really easy to troll lol
>>4496215the answer op is sony isnt ewaste trash, its actually good and its difficult to make a camera that’s as good or better without it costing twice as muchcongrats you fell for a forced meme by a literal shill. who says sony is trash, besides comment section bots and 4chan shills?
>>4496768Your concession has been accepted nophoto.
>>4496769How come every sony branded picture posted to /p/ is a terrible snapshit?
>>4496770>sony shill loses and then copesKek
>>4496771>then how come [lie]?Why does someone need to spam the same shit over and over again and basically live here to try and fake a consensus?Why is it that despite the astroturfed anti-sony consensus on /p/, they outsell multiple competitors every time they release a new camera?Why should a lying, reality distorting spammer on 4chan be taken more seriously than the professional market?Why can’t you post a photo or prove you own a camera?
>>4496326This.
>>4496749>>4496752Wow, irrefutable proof of a spamming shill and it still cant take the L.
>>4496774-is more spamhttps://archive.palanq.win/p/search/image/Um8ysGqSwUJEhxFSj416Ag/
>>4496773>shitty looking pictures>victim mentality fanboys driven to schizo levels of copeThat's all the advertisement I need to know what camera I'm not buying.
Why do sony fanboys always have meltdowns on /p/?
>>4496777>>4496778You have been spamming this board since late 2024, clive.
>>4496751Worst photo itt
>>4496779>schizo copeConcession accepted
>>4496781>reposts the same images over and over>never shuts up about sony>furiously f5s the /gear/ thread so he can start it with an anti-sony meme>HOW DID THEY KNOW IT WAS ME?SAAR chads tipped /p/ off when you first came here. All you really accomplished was cutting /p/‘s userbase by 30% while in real life sony outsold their competition combined, again. I have a canon and I still think it’s sad. You clearly have low functioning aspergers.
>make sony shill thread>meltdown when people dont want to buy sony>calls everyone a shill (???)most mentally stable sony shooter
>>4496786Who the fuck is Clive and how does posting a meme pic mean anything?
>>4496787>Who the fuck is CliveWho isn't?It's just some persona poopco made up to project his grievances on, before that it was 'Colin'
>>4496789>Colin>Clive>Jewsyep of course the schizo is a /pol/tard
>>4496791Nah he is a typical millennial shitlib
>>4496787Clive is a comment section spammer who got btfo on all the -rumors sites and came here. His entire life is dedicated to running anti-sony ad campaigns. He’s probably worse on 4chan because he can samefag and post often enough to make it look like multiple people agree with him. /p/ hasn’t been the same since he came hereHe also makes most of the /gear/ threads
>>4496787This >>4496806 is clive. Clive loves to derail all threads on /p/ with sony shilling. He is a paid Sony shill. Just like the guy that goes into every thread to mention how great sony is or correct anyone that says they don't like sony.
>>4496807>paid sony shills are now alternating between calling themselves out and shitting on sony lol
>>4496807makes perfect sense>>4496809you've called at least 3 people woth distinct writing styles and punctuation clive, clive
Clive is more a state-of-mind than a singular retarded anon.I'm sure it was just one guy to start, but like a braindead fungus it has spread.
>>4496814There always seems to be the anti-X obsessed guy on here. cAnon has a guy, huskyfag, clive, etc. The anti-troll is equal to the troll just a positive to their negative.
>>4496814I think it's not directly "contagious", people become Clive due to either bad first hand experiences with the product or upon witnessing the histrionics of a snoy shill (commonly referred to as a poopco)
People who make money go sony because they are the most reliable cameras. Autists who have no life come here just to be contrarians. I'm a sony user since 2021 (was panasonic before that) and i make more than 3k a month from paid gigs, get good and get with the times.
>>4496817>cope>projection>mcdonalds camera takes mcdonalds pictures for the normies. This makes it a good camera.
>>4496819Cope and projection on what? Elaborate, i shoot video so sony best fits my needs, no one can even get close to the fx3.
>>4496751I like it.
>>4496817>Be wedding photographer>Need soulless tool to churn out headshots with two f2.8 zooms>Buy Sony and PanasonicThat's the exact use case for a Sony camera. They are good for that. There is a reason most fine art does not use a Sony though
>>4496840That does mean most fine art does not use sony though lol
>>4496836All fine art photographers use large format film or medium format digital (virtually always Hasselblad and Phase One).
>>4496806>Says your favorite brand sucks>You seethe and make up rent free fanfiction for the next few yearsSounds incredibly based desu
>>4496769>congrats you fell for a forced meme by a literal shill.OP here, I won't buy an A7C (or any Sony, or Canon for that matter) because of the sensor cover glass thickness that would cause color shifts and ugly smearing with the rangefinder lenses that I own. This is an actually relevant technical issue that is beyond brand shitflinging. An A7CR would naturally be a solid choice otherwise.
>>4496840The fine art world still runs on film for all the tangential reasons artists choose film, not because muh pixels/grain count. I've never seen anyone using sony in the arts except influencer kids still in art school.>proceeds to shit out mouth about all manner of horsepuckyWrong, wrong and also wrong. Get a fucking clue, son.
>>4496840Right, right, and spot on. It really shows why they really seethe about sony when they inevitably say “a real photographic tool with soul like a fujifilam/blobmera”>modern compact camera = having to stand out with and be proud of good photography>retro larp/pro larp = feeling like you stand out because your gear is reminiscent of famous photographers from when that term wasn’t an oxymoronObviously most of the technical failings are made up other than not adapting film lenses well. Gearfags gonna gearfag, the more unprovable (muh 3d poop and color science) the better
>>4496869Buy an ad
>>4496875>did you just say a popular camera brand isnt terrible and its detractors are mostly mentally ill 4chan hipsters? this must be a corporate shill!
>>4496882Buy an ad
>>4496215you are 100% correct.>So why haven't they done it?I think it's some cartel shit.Sony makes the sensors and dictated that nobody else make compact rangefinders with grip and EVF.
>>4496886>>4496875This.
>>4496216LOL. lmao even!
>snoy schizo gets banned>thread diesreally makes ya think
>>4496670>drove ambush awayWill this meme ever die? Drama livened me up more than anything, it was all in good fun.I stopped posting here because of the influx of casuals (thanks to the cross-board banners, which I complained about since day one) and the fact that all the good photographers left. It got gay and boring here, it turned into fucking Facebook. We went from a slow tight-knit board to a fast paced torrent of mainstream casual drivel.
https://archive.palanq.win/p/search/text/banners/tripcode/%2Bw/They ruined this board.
>>4497655Are you still mad they didn't choose your banner for /p/? It's been years bro.
>>4497666>finds his "love of photography" through a bannerMany such cases... and it shows. You turned this photography board into just another imageboard the same as all the rest.
>>4497669>jealous my banner got chosen and his didn't.Sad!
>>4497670>works for freeAt least we know the value of your work.
>link to archivesobsessed schizo kekTake your meds
>>4497671kek
>>4497672Poor fella is so angry, seething, malding, and salty all at the same time he can't even take a joke.>>4497671>tried to work for free, but work was worth less than freeKek
I'd love sony aps-c to get good instead.>>4496892At least they let Fuji have their newest aps-c sensors exclusively, for like first 5 years before also putting them into their own aps-c cameras.
>>4498237Their A7C series are honestly so good that high-end APS-C becomes a bit hard to justify. Mid-range A6ks are still fine, especially when it comes to value vs. what Fuji charges.
>https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/cameras/this-full-frame-camera-from-2024-keeps-topping-japans-best-seller-lists-heres-why-its-beating-its-rivalsYou just can't make this shit up. They're really all going to keep letting Sony exploit this segment without any competition. This industry is a fucking disgrace
>>4498379They literally cant beat it. Despite the shills and aspergers cases here, a7c bodies aren’t ewaste that are impossible to bring out of the house due to lacking a wide angle pancake that isnt shit (ironically, like L mount). They’re great, well made cameras with great color science and excellent small lenses (ironically half shared with L mount). Sony knocked it out of the park. People are still gladly picking the og a7c over ZRs, s9s, fujis, mft, and r6iiis.
>>4498394It's a shame that Sony in general is trash for adapting, otherwise I might have already bought an A7CR.
>>4498396Why would Sony optimize their cameras for collectible $5000 boomers lenses that are no better than a $250 samyang instead of the lenses they already make themselves?
>>4498398Cover glass thickness affects more than just adapting vintage lenses. Sony probably chose to have it that way to minimize the appearance of dust on the sensor, but the trade-off is that all of their lenses have to be telecentric, and non-telecentric lenses perform poorly on their bodies.I'm not demanding they optimize their bodies for non-telecentric lenses, just citing this as the reason I won't buy a Sony. If you don't care about adapting anything vintage, manual and/or compact (not just $5000 boomer lenses as you state) then this is obviously irrelevant to you.
>>4498402For the record (just inb4 some fag comes out to accuse me of brainless Sony hating despite having a legimitate technical excuse), Canon and Fuji (GFX) do the same thing with the thick sensor cover glass, and adapted lens results are often even worse on those. Canon bodies for example tend to exhibit significant color shift on top of the same smearing you get on a Sony.So to really satisfy me as a customer, this needs to be done by Sigma, Leica, or Nikon. Unfortunately none of the current offerings from those guys come close.
>>4498405Rational consumers don’t collect leica lenses. That’s why leica can get away with charging $10k for a stripped down a7rv with firmware bugs.
>>4498394>snoy>great color scienceWelcome back shill
>>4498449Sony has the best color science. Seethe about it.
>>4498452Prove it.
>>4498379> Japanese cartel is a cartel
>>4498452I have Snoy fatigue
>>4498456>Is a wealthy tech conglomerate from a country with a high average IQ more able to develop advanced technology than smaller companies and the caliphate of germany?>no its a conspiracy
>>4498474> Camera manufacturers from the same country belonging to hidden namess technology giants working on unique products not manufactured elsewhere, constantly exchanging sensor, ibis, and optics, technology, forming alliances, and rarely offering directly equivalent products are definitely not a cartel and are definitely engaging in free mrket competition as advocated by French and English pholosophers who are clearly held in high regard in Japan.
>>4498485You're literally a wannabe glownigger. There's no higher conspiracy outside of the fact that Japan's industry is heavily skewed towards automobiles and electronics. The government props up these important companies, and inter-company relationships exist, but show me any first-world nation that doesn't have these factors.If Germoney and American't can't manage to maintain their camera industries in this day and age it's completely down to their ineptitude.>hurr durr the Japanigger companies aren't engaging in the free market as intendedThere are dozens of high-profile examples of market-fixing, anti-consumer practices, and overall shitfuckery in pretty much any country you can think of. You're literally just being a reverse weeb by fixating on Japan.
>>4498485>A sony conspiracy is why nikonfilm sucks!Or maybe, sony has more material and intellectual resources. Sony conspiracy theories don’t stop canon from maintaining their #1 spot. Maybe, just maybe, brands other than sony and canon are too small to compete with manufacturing, research, and development giants? The autofocus TECH, not just the algorithms, on the z8 and z9 are worse than the AF on the canon r8. No cross points. The R8 has several hundred cross points. That means a z8 can’t focus on a horizontal or vertical line depending on camera orientation. And they’re #3. And borrow heavily from sony and RED whenever they can, not because of a conspiracy, but because they can’t innovate. They bought fucking RED. Where are the global shutter 16 stop DR cameras? RED had baller camera tech but nikon cant figure out how to use it. They’re just not competent. Once the fads die everyone under the top two is choosing between mergers and death.
>>4498486It’s worse than ineptitude. American work culture (employees are a non favored group, management is an artificially elevated group) prevents success as there is always top down hostility. Has been since the 80s. Not just work, but education too. Ask anyone born in the 60s/70s about how education, and then employment changed to become fundamentally hostile to healthy ideals like competition, hierarchy, success, and striving to be right/number one and began actively rewarding bullshitting, emotional appeals, and deception so everyone would win except the people who were already winning more than everyone else just by being smarter. Americans also have a word, “white trash”, for anyone who doesn’t pop out with a silver spoon and stick to the script. This word is used by their nepobaby boases for anyone who is poor and doesnt want to be. Their country is based on hating its own people and rewards predatory and parasitic soft-power grifts so they will never work together to create something great. The entire american economy is international scams, i mean, the service industry, and defense spending. Also see: how microsoft fell from a company that made tools for computing to a company that promised shareholders more value extraction, and which people took over when that was to be its new business model.
>>4498487People think than canon is the iphone of cameras and sony is the shittier but still good enough budged option
>>4498493Canon is the Samsung of cameras, and Sony is the Xiaomi.
>>4498495>>4498493Sony FF bodies outsell canons, and most of the biggest news agency dropped canon for Sony. Canon’s market share dominance is due to a more diverse, affordable, and more “decent” aps-c lineup. Sony doesn’t even have a serious budget fixed lens PNS anymore.
>>4498499> Xiaomi Android phones outsell Samsung and most of the office workers dropped Samsung for Xiaomi...
>>4498500>this desperate to portray sony as le badSony is really more like apple. Poor budget offerings. Good professional equipment. Makes lifeless 4chan virgins seethe hard. Canon is windows. Nikon is fedora linux. Fujiflm is ubuntu linux. Pentax is gentoo linux. Panasonic is arch linux. Olympus is an amiga covered in cigarette residuep1/blad is a supercomputer that can’t check email or run a web browser but can predict quantum interactionsProtip: Cameras are PCs, not phones, because they are for employed adults who create things, not children who only consume things. If you’re not an employed adult who creates things even a used up DSLR is more than you deserve to own. Grow up and stop worrying about tools meant for people who are superior to you, larper.
>>4498402Huh is that what the "micro lenses" they advertise on their sensors are for?
>>4498402The baby mount means they can't even use telecentric lenses, Son y is truly a disgrace. Proper telecentric lenses would cause hard vignetting. That's why they cope baking in software corrections for the vignette. Their cameras are just that shit.
>>4498503It's just brutal cost cutting and job enshittification. They figured pros would rather use their own cameras than deal with a Sony so they passive aggressively give them Sony gear. They transfer the costs to the staff.
>>4498499>and most of the biggest news agency dropped canon for SonyIt was the AP 5(6) years ago, due to snoy pushing their products for pennies on the dollar
