It would be used exlusively for taking pictures of products. I was thinking of just using my Samsung S23 since I'm kinda poor but then realized that's retarded since presentation is literally everything.Budget is around $1,000 max, prefer around $700 or lower.Insights appreciated.
Stuff like the OP pic and picrel. I'm curious on the process too, do I need to go to a studio ? Do I edit the pics in photoshop afterwards ?Or just shoot and done
>>4499913Any cheap DSLR you can get with a 50mm or 35mm and a big roll of white paper or drapes for background, some lamps to get some fixed lights, cheaper than a strobe setup.
>>4499913I do this shit for my own ecommerce shitCanon 5d IICanon 100 f2.8 macroCanon 35mm f2Tripod2 godox flashes and a godox transmitterBig roll of white paper (infinite wall) and one of those all white cubbies that are rounded insideTurntables can help tooAs a bonus using a 5dII or 5dIII lets you do real photography also but they are really the bare minimum and basically the digital camera serious film guys keep just to have one around
>>4499920also yes for larger items you need to diffuse the flashYou can buy softboxes but you can also just hang a white pillow case in front of the flash an then a white bedsheet in front of the pillowcase if you want even more diffusionI use ad200s
>>4499917>>4499920Thanks lads I'll have to buy used to fit my budgetAny things in particular I should be looking for when buying used camera's ?
>>4499921I really like the drapes this guy uses, but man are they expensive bedsheets are not a bad idea
>>4499924just make sure it has an effective optical low-pass filter / AA filter (or the option to install one, which isn't common)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2TyUrVBL8&t=1138
>>4499936What about pickleshift?
>>4499936Yeah thats why I’m a fan of the 5d2/5d3 for the bare minimumThe 5div is quite overpriced (would rather get a d800, not d810 or d800e)Yes mirrorless is better!The only real step up is a r5/z8/z7ii, a7cr or a medium format
>>4499938Total fucking meme and has issues if you so much as walk or breathe AND requires hypersharp 1k lenses to not look like shit. If it were useful mft would have destroyed apsc.
>>4499942I thought it just remove morays. I mean bro is just taking pics of cloths n shit.
>>4499943So does having a good olpf like a 5d2/5d3/5ds (non-r)
/fa/ggot here, are you producing this stuff yourself, importing and reselling good quality products, or just dropshipping garbage from Taobao?
>>4499936Appreciate it a lot m8
>>4499946White label, trying to be local (Canada) but holy fuck are our manufacturers the greediest goddamn kikes imaginable, it's no wonder people go overseas. Worst case scenario I find somewhere in Europe, that way at least I support my own nation.I got fed up with how virtually all our clothes are synthetic petroleum filth, xenoestrogens oozing into my skin that I decided to just create my own stuffFor instance, I've spent $500 the past year or so just on boxer briefs from various brands that are 100% cotton, and basically every single fucking one of them produce absolute dogshit except for maybe Tommy HilfagerIt wasn't always like this, 30 years ago most brands were producing high quality clothes that are actually breathable, but now it's all seen as "vintage" lmfao
>>4499917is 50mm > 35mm?what's the definitive consensus
>>4499990Yes, 50mm > 35mm
>>4500004why?
>>4500093Because 50>35
>>4500093>asks for consensus>gets answer>now wants technical reasondo you want the fucking consensus to choose for you or do you want the fucking technical reasons to choose yourself?
>>4499924if possible buy in person or somewhere with solid return policy. if anything is indicating water damage, fall or big hit (cracks, rattling (when it shouldn't, some lenses have elements inside loose when unpowered)) then abort immediately. same with moisture or fungus. shutter count for used camera like canon 5dmk2 around 200k is regular mileage, double that is risky territory and avoid unless it's a great deal and mint outside condition. used gear trade stores will give you couple months warranty and convenient catalogue but will add a mark-up in the prize
>>4500153no need to be a niggerI have no way of knowing what one anon says is the official consensusDoubly so for one worded hostile responses
>>4499924turn it on, put it in auto/p, take picture, and see how it comes outcanon 5d mk2/mk3 is great, ditto d750/d800/d810, a lot of this board is videogame wars with camera brands. any of the 10-15 y/o ff dslrs will take a better photo from just having a sensor thats 20x your average phone and actual glass that phone companies like samsung/apple have not been able to overcome physics without looking like a blurry mess. shop used for that stuff or ebay. also consider the apsc stuff if you're really broke>>449999050mm usually sharper since the lenses are faster (aperture value = how big the hole is relative to the size of the lens; lower = faster = better for low light or sharper since again you're talking physics and the larger hole takes in more light)
>>4500157London Drugs is selling 'em pretty reasonably priced for pre-owned and I can check it in person too, Amazon is the only other alternative>200k is regular mileageI have no idea what this means or how to check it>>4500258I'm really leaning towards the Canon 5D Mk 2 or 3.Roughly $700 for the body in my area (I'm assuming this means just the camera idk) This anon >>4499920 suggested some lenses which even refurbished they would be more expensive than the camera itself so I'm lost.He said lenses are more important than the camera and it seems to ring true.Any recommendations for 50mm lenses to pair with the mk2/3 ?
>>450026250mm f1.4the f1.8 is hundeshitteoptiksyou will need to get used to the idea of lenses costing more than cameras. the 24-105 f4 is l usm is also good for product photography. just shoot everything at f8/f11. better than the 50mms desu. primes are great for autism not necessary for 720p fleabay ads.
>>4500264I was honestly just considering skipping the lens entirely since even the base canon5d mk2 would be better than my phone, especially just for starting out but idk Most of my products I plan to have shot like >>4499914 thisI might be able to shill $5-600 for a lens if it really is a game changer. I gotta do more research. The Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM & Canon RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM are within that range. I'll keep them bookmarked thanks
>>4500266Are you high? An AI? Cameras need lenses to work RF lenses dont work on EF DSLRs btw.
>>4500267No just new to all dis Last camera I had was a decade ago, some shitty sony digital camera i got for like $50 lolDoesn't the body come with a scuffed lens ?>RF lenses dont work on EF DSLRs btw.Thanks lma oEvery anon is telling me to get DSLR, as well as multiple anons shilling Canon 5D so it seems best to me and reasonably pricedCan you shill me a few more lenses compatible with it ples
>>4500269>Doesn't the body come with a scuffed lens ?No, body only means body onlyhttps://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/lenses/50mm-f14.htmCanon/Nikon are the most sold DSLRs of the 2010s and the standard recommendation because they sold so many and they're a proven known quantity (in terms of image quality, reliability, durability/build quality, etc), don't hesitate to look at one locally on Facebook or similar. Buy the one you can get the best deal on. If I had to buy a DSLR today it'd be either a Nikon D750 or a Canon 5D Mark 3. https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/nikon-vs-canon.htmhttps://kenrockwell.com/tech/comparisons/d800-vs-5d-mark-iii.htmhttps://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/comparisons/2012-04-dslrs.htm
>>4500269NTA.If a seller is listing as "Body Only" You get just that: zero lenses with the product. You WILL need a lens to use any interchangable lens camera (DLSR/Mirrorless).There are almost always versions sold that include a kit lens, but they are normally advertised as such "Kit, w/ lens" etc.Kit lenses used to be hot garbage but these days are quite passable. Normally buying aftermarket lenses will be an improvement in several areas, but even canon APS-C DSLRs from 10 years ago come with rather decent 18-55mm lenses that might be all you need. A kit lens from 2005 and older is 100% going to be trash, which is why you might see older photogs or boomers in general shilling 50mm primes, because normally a 50mm prime is the cheapest aftermarket lens you can buy and will kick the shit out of a kit lens. Primes in general are also sharper, wider aperture, lighter, cheaper, and resolve better details than zooms (which are almost always your kit lens, but also aftermarket zooms), but you give up the obvious advantage of being able to change your focal length with a flick of your wrist. If you buy an EF mount Canon (which you should because I'm a Canon shill), either look for the more modern kit lenses like the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM, 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM. OR get yourself a few primes like the 24mm f/2.8 STM or 50mm f/1.8 STM. Avoid any lenses that don't either use either STM or USM as these use micromotors which are old and shitty. IS gives you stablisation which is a godsend but another topic altogether.A 5DII/III, 6DI/II, 50/60/70/80D, or even the smaller three digit (i.e. 500D, 650D) will do you fine. Avoid the quad digit canons (i.e. 1000D, 2000D) as these are the most crippled.
>>4500276>>4500282Based as fuckI really appreciate it ladsCanon 5D Mark 3 it is. I'll research your lens recommendations. I don't trust anything other than brick & mortar in my area because unfortunately everyone on fb / craigslist are jeet scammers unless I travel like two and a half hours to the richer areas. Might be worth it, I'll look into it.A bit of a retard question, but what do you guys store your gear in ?Also wondering, since I would have to shill out roughly $1,500 - $2,000, how much do you reckon a photographer or studio charges to shoot something like >>4499914 for a few products ? I assume after 2-3 years the camera pays itself off, but for starting out it really eats into operational costs
>>4500346Lighting is just as important. Shots like that can be done with nearly any camera and almost any lens, but the lighting (and retouching) is what gives you the look.>pricingAt the low end, ballpark maybe $10-30 per image for like e-commerce / ebay shit, or $500 day rate.For low end with a small brand, ballpark $50-100 per image or a $1500-2500 day rate.Your own business acumen / marketing / networking is going to matter more than anything. Taking pictures is the easiest part of making money from photography. Product / stock has gotten more and more accessible for vendors, and that is one of the few areas where just doing it yourself with a phone is more and more reasonable, and now you are competing with AI too.Would be much easier to find like 4-5 family or senior portrait sessions for $250-400. If you are taking 2-3 years to make $2k from photography, you are doing something wrong.
>>4500353Why are day rates so astronomical to per image comparatively ?It's not as bad as I thought, but spending around 1/3rd of what I'll have to spend per product release means I should just invest in the camera myself.Sorry for any confusion, I don't ever plan to make money with photography, I'm trying to launch my own clothing line and the camera would be exclusively for pictures of my products
>>4500346>what do you guys store your gear in ?Out and about or at rest?Light kits go into my camera sling which is only like 3L in volume but that can be two lenses, the body, cleaning stuff and a few filters. Heavier kits I just went and bought a camera cube insert and it goes into my normal backpack for $15.At rest, it stays in a cool room out of the sun on a display shelf. Nothing special. If you live in a sub-tropical shithole like Arizona then maybe get a humidity cabinet.>since I would have to shill out roughly $1,500 - $2,000, how much do you reckon a photographer or studio charges to shoot something like >>4499914 for a few products You don't really need to spend that kind of money. I wager $500-800 in total for gear would set you. That includes lighting (which is VERY fucking important). But for argument's sake, >>4500353 is correct with his pricing. You could do it as an aside on weekends and get one or two shoots a month and you'd pay off $2000 of gear in under 6 months.
>>4500374They really aren't that different, if you have someone coming in to take 15-30 product shots, that can run you that lower day rate when all is said and done. Most I know that charge per product do so with a flat base fee (say $250 + $20per), or just base on their day / half day rates. you could maybe get a student in for $100-150 per hour of shooting.If you really are just doing it for your own thing, I would just forgo the camera at first and spend $200-300 on basic lighting and set stuff, and just start with your phone. If you really want a camera, you don't really have to spend more than $1k for a decent studio starting kit.Have you factored in the cost and learning time investment in the programs you'd want to use for processing? Do you know how to use a camera and lighting?
>>4500346Literally all you need is the EF 24-105mm f4 IS USMThe only downside of older zooms is they are only sharp across the frame at f8 and f11 and less magnification than a macro lens (1x) or a newer zoom (0.5x)1x = objects are projected onto the sensor at their actual size up closeYou only need sharp wide apertures for event photography, astro, portraits, hobby shootingYou only need 0.5-1x macro to photograph jewelry or bugs n shit
>>4500425>processing>canon dslr>the brand that got away with lagging 4 stops of dr behind nikons editing lattitude by making jpegs iso 800 and under come out perfect (in an age where computers capable of quickly going through and storing lots of raws were rare and expensive)lolif you have a canon and the iso setting is less than 1000 processing a raw is a waste of time. just set white balance correctly before taking pics of shirts.
>>4500440>don't bother putting effort inGood advice
>>4500382Got it, thanks. I was worried I would have to spend like $200 for some special storage gear. Doesn't hurt to ask.>I wager $500-800Syrup bux aint as good as burger bux anymoreSo far I'm lookin' at:>$700+ for the canon 5d mk3 body refurbished>$500-700+ for the lens>$300+ for lighting / tripod / white roll paper / storageAny recommendations for lighting gear? The other anon said godox but goddamn that shit is expensive, I also don't know which godox flash would work best for my small setup>>4500425Judging by the rates, it just makes more sense to buy a camera and do it myself>Have you factored inIn my time neeting, I've taught myself how to drive, and built a home-gym. I will learn, I just need the proper resources, which is why I'm here and not xitter or leddit.
>>4500439Bookmarked, thanks.This will probably be the lens that I buy
>>4500461Don't knock the nifty fifty, the EF 50/1.8 STM, it will give you some nice artistic closeups with shallow depth of field of buttons, decorative patterns etc. It is cheap as well.
>>4499913Full frame sensor to avoid moire effect on patterned/grained fabrics. Can be removed somewhat in post but a full frame sensor would be the better option.
>>4500546Not simply FF, a sensor with a physical AA filter
>>4500472It's still bookmarked, but as the other anons say, lens is the most important aspect and I also really like the range the EF 24-105mm f4 IS USM has.
Can someone direct me towards some solid resources that I should read (aside from the sticky)Stuff like rule of thirds, how to shoot, etcAfter shooting does everyone just edit it in photoshop ? Kinda defeats the point imoAlso wondering what SD card I should buy
>>4500458you could get a set of sppedlite style flash and it will be plenty capable for studio work like this (you can later upgrade if you wish and keep those as backup/extra lights for effects like color accents). 2x quadralite stroboss 60 or 1x stroboss 60 and 1x stroboss 36 + X navigator trigger (quadralite is godox rebrand for EU, just don't remember the equivalent names) + accesories like stands, mounts, sheets, umbrella diffusor etc. should be easily aqqurable under $300>>4500666for studio work 24-105 is 90% you'll ever need >>4500439 if you hit a limit later you'll be experienced enough to know why and what next to buy.50/1,8 lens is noob recomendation because it's dirt cheap and it's slightly better to learn on – zooms allow you to get mediocre picture asleep and prime lens is more restrictive and gets you to think>>4500668read the stickycamera operation and settings are everywhere on youtube and it shouldn't be a problemstrobist is standard intro to off camera lightshttps://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/02/welcome-to-strobist.htmllook at a lot of fashion photography to develop your taste and experiment.>After shooting does everyone just edit it in photoshop ? Kinda defeats the point imoyes, sorting and editing is the other half of the work. getting it right in camera is important but some editing is inevidble and can improve even a good shot>what SD card I should buybuy whatever card that's not off brand chink shit. I use basic tier sandisk cards. you should discard and buy fresh one roughly after one year anyways, if you shoot a lot
>>4500458Godox is the good budget brand>>4500668What do you mean Photoshop defeats the point?
>>4500726>What do you mean Photoshop defeats the point?He's a newbie, I bet he thinks the camera will automatically give him results without any processing work done.OP, you can't avoid post processing if you want marketable results and just so you know it will most likely take more time than taking the shots themselves. You will learn.
>>4500716Cheers m8
>>4500726>>4500747IdkI really don't want to deceive my customers but I guess that's the standard.Countless times I've ordered products that upon arrival look absolutely nothing like the pictures which always leaves a sour taste in my mouth.Chinks seem to do this to a ridiculous degree, but I guess I can tweak minor things here and there
>>4500757Post processing and editing is not the same as image manipulation. Look up basic RAW processing tutorials and what "processing and editing" is about. I'd say you should start with Lightroom or Camera RAW (basically the same)
>>4500757>Countless times I've ordered products that upon arrival look absolutely nothing like the picturesThat has nothing to do with Photoshop or even photography lolMost studio / product photography is done tethered, so you can make adjustments on the fly evenAll the advertising for products you got that meet expectations also use Photoshop too
>>4500668>After shooting does everyone just edit it in photoshop ? Kinda defeats the point imoI only edit product photos. Normies like to see a perfectly white background, which is difficult to achieve while also having the product well exposed.
Nikon D3200 and the DX 60mm macro might be a good combo.
>>4500775>Normies like to see a perfectly white backgroundI think this also has to do with SEO. I've heard chatter about for instance the ebay algo prefering white backgrounds.
>>4500761>>4500773Ok, please excuse my retardation>>4500775>Normies like to see a perfectly white backgroundI've noticed this too after studying a bunch of other brands and had to change my webdesign entirely because of it. Originally I wanted a kind of night / sky blue cloud themed background but that shit won't fly.What's the best way to achieve a perfectly white background from your experience ? The only place I'll be able to shoot is in my garage
>>4500787Garage is perfect for a starter studio, you can buy these big rolls of background paper you can even lay it on the ground, have bend up on the wall towards the roll. Make sure it extends under the camera so you can use a clean pair of slippers so you won't leave footprints. Buy a set of comfy dark/black clothes so your presence dont reflect color light back into your subject, it is a nightmare to tone down such color casts and impossible to remove.
>>4500827Thanks m8I think I got just about everything I needThanks a lot anons
>>4500938Get a tripod as well, a travel tripod will do or a used metal one but avoid the Amazon Basics and generic chinese tripods, they are made out of jello and you will be wondering why all your shots are blurry due to wobbling.
>>4500262>>200k is regular mileage>I have no idea what this means or how to check itHe means that a shutter count of 200,000, i.e. a camera which has had its shutter actuated 200,00 times, is a normal range of actuations for a used camera to have, and not something to worry about.Usually sellers will list the shutter count in the listing. If they don't, you can ask for it.
