"The View From Your Room" EditionPreviously: >>4530268
Since these threads are now exactly as bad as /mu/'s guitar thread and probably by the same degenerate third worlder (just a hunch)Reminder to filter all the bot tier shit that will soon ensuehttps://pastebin.com/diHque73
>>4530992>probably by the same degenerate third worlder (just a hunch)Sam died in a motorcycle accident years ago, didn't you know?
>>4531003Holy shit, get a job.
>>4531011I took time off, sue me.
>>4530992pro-tip: if you add stub:no to each filter and enable recursive hiding, you can make /gg/ disappear!
>>4531015I should make the next /gg/, with my name in it he'll have it filtered without changing any setting so he won't have to complain in it.
>>4531025Almost every human on /p/ is using the filters now. They will be recommended to every new user who asks a question here. They will be actively maintained every time a name, trip, or reposted argument starter tries to evade it. Go ahead, you're basically self-deleting.
>>4531028>Almost every human on /p/ is using the filters now. They will be recommended to every new user who asks a question here.
>>4530983What's the point of these threds? They don't help anyone, nobody takes an advice of anyone, it's just a big waste of time and water
>>4530992Keep it up filterbro. The nophotos are legit seething. Fr.
>>4531035Thread themehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Ui79Uf817YA
>>4530992> Wants to filter "Snoy" in a gear threadKek
>>4530992The problem with your hugbox is that it's empty
>>4531044It's not a problem if the gear thread doesn't occupy half the catalog and the majority of board activityThere are two of the fucking things on the front page, 13 in the catalog. If filtering predictable spam and one tripfag reduces all activity in them to nothing then there was never real activity to begin with and the board has 13 useless spam threads on it.When polled, the majority of users on /p/ supported making starting a gear general thread an automatic ban.
Hello my friends! We had some productive discussions about OLPF and moire effects in previous threads.I am trying to understand why sony sensors produce this exceptionally strong false colour striping on such patterns. I don't see it on other cameras without OLPF.Might it be related to differences in microlens design? PDAF pixels?
>>4530992I just added diHque73 to the filter instead
>>4531056It's just an adobe camera raw bug. These aliasing patterns completely change depending on the raw processor used because not all demosaicing algorithms are equal, and not all raw processors support all raw formats equally. Dpreview doesn't use a good one. Huge budget and dpreview paid for a broken website instead of a capture one subscription.Unless you actually use adobe camera raw their "raw" preview doesn't represent what you'd actually see using a camera.Added to the list btw.
>>4531066Why would they pay for a subscription to a software that's irrelevant to the vast majority of people? Everyone uses Lightroom so it makes sense for them to use exactly that. That way people know what to expect.
>>4531068>EveryoneCapture one and photoshop are the industry standards. It's telling that federal grants fund American Graphics Institute capture one and photoshop training, but not lightroom training. Lightroom is low end software full of gimmicks like generative AI.If you can't afford capture one but think you can afford a $1499 a6700 maybe you should stop asking questions about a part of photography that is above your pay grade, re-balance your budget, and stick to micro four thirds and used DSLRs.
>>4531066>It's just an adobe camera raw bug.Why does the bug appear only on sony cameras?>Unless you actually use adobe camera raw their "raw" preview doesn't represent what you'd actually see using a camera.Why do SOOC JPEGs from sony have the same prominent striping?https://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/sony_a6700/sample_images/sony_a6700_45.jpg
>>4531072>Why do SOOC JPEGs from sony have the same prominent striping?Watch him excuse it saying it's because JPEG engines are bad because of processing power or whatever and that it's the reason to use RAW processing kek
There's definitely like 20 posts of live view olpf sony fuji panashill equivalence posting hereCan't see it doe
>>453107750/50 either equivalence technobabble or that retard that doesnt know how moire works>protip: dont buy a modern pro camera and photograph bricks at f8, f11 and f16 antialiases for you
What camera bags do you use? I fell for the marketing and imported wotancraft pilot 7l. It's a great bag but should be about half of its price to make sense.
>>4531072>Why does the bug appear only on sony cameras?It appears on various cameras, because it's called moire. Retard.
For it to appear on a Nikon is much harder though, almost like Sony fucked up
>>4531086I use one of the many I've gotten for free buying used gear, whatever one fits the purpose of the day.2 things that are essentially free when it comes to gear are camera bags and tripods.
>>4531096Follow along, we are well aware that no OLPF causes false colour and moire effects with little to no benefit.The question is why Sony's moire effects are so much more prominent in the same circumstances.Also, whoever wrote that in your image is misleading people. Shooting RAW helps very little in cleaning up moire since moire is corruption at the RAW data level.
@4531111Added /AONOlHUttMzT7xNwruSTAg==/@4531096Dont reply to the bot. Use the filters. >>4530992
>>4531114>announcing a filter
>>4531102If filterchad is who i think he is he went through the effort of opening the raws in different programs, capture one and sony’s free one, and showing everyone how the moire vanished. it is objectively an adobe camera raw issue. that moire spammer never learned from that, and that moire spammer cant evade the filters like cANON (human, allegedly) can is p much proof its always been an AI powered shitposter.
>>4531123The only thing filtercuck proved was that C1's AI algorithm is more sensitive and can therefore suppress color more efficiently when it encounters moire. The destroyed information stays destroyed though, the AI merely does guesswork. And if the moire shows up in an area with colors, that information is gone.
>>4531123Here we can see the "vanished" moiresource image if anyone else wants to give it a tryhttps://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9601355361/646450
>>4531125>technobabblethis is why you’re accused of misleading peopletotally baseless claims made to sound like you’re well learned but you aint. you literally made up an excuse. its literally just a prolonged anti-sony marketing campaign.
>>4531123here the moire was actually removed, only problem is it turned the mortar joints pink.
>>4531129>>4531127>Like the last argument never even happenedYou were already told that if you buy a camera with a weak or absent OLPF, it is your responsibility to blur the image if it has to be blurred to prevent aliasing, because fixing in post is imperfect. If you buy a camera with a strong OLPF, every image is blurred no matter what.In this case you are posting dpreview samples shot poorly, at a very sharp lenses sharpest apertures rather than f/11 or f/16 which would prevent the aliasing entirely and have the same effect as an OLPF. So would using a less clinical lens or a diffusion filter.You can be told these things again and again but you just forget them and restart your propaganda machine. You can be told these things again and again, and you'll make a new thread so you can pretend you weren't. And then you post literal advertisements for kolari products.You have been repeatedly asked to post a photo you took with this problem. You were unable to. You have been repeatedly asked to prove you own a camera. You have been unable to. How much did your employer pay 4chan for you to be allowed to spam like this?
>>4531111>we are well aware that no OLPF causes false colour and moire effects with little to no benefit.Erm, greater detail. Why would you buy a high res body and then cuck it down to the level of the low res ones by blurring the whole image? Moire isn't actually a very common issue so in most situations it's beneficial to not have an OLPF, the few cases where it does crop up you can minimise it for the most part in post.
>>4531131You can also just shoot around it. Diffraction and diffusion both do the same thing and applications where moire matters (architecture and fashion) are usually shot at f/11-f/22 or with beauty filters and softer lenses, so pros never cared about this. Its just one genuinely autistic (like the mentally disabled kind) guy hyperfocused on dpreview samples that are SOOC jpegs and adobe camera raw with all corrections off (neither of which are ever used by pros for quality work).
>>4531131>greater detailwhich can only be seen with extreme pixel peeping as >>4531111 shows.meanwhile moire and false color appears all over the place at large and small scale.>just shoot at f22 brolol how about no. I'm just going to use a camera with OLPF and not worry about it.
>an iphone makes a better video camera for 99% of people, and produces better quality, than a $2000 full frame mirrorless cameraIs he right or retarded?
>he's spent 5 hours straight seething about a vague idea of what using a modern camera is like just today, with no actual experience using one>every image he used has been reposted 3-10 timesKind of sad desu.
>>4531139>an iphone makes a better video camera for 99% of peopleTrue.>and produces better quality, than a $2000 full frame mirrorless cameraAssuming both are being operated correctly, untrue.iPhones make pretty good video cameras honestly. They used gutted iPhone cameras for some of the on-car shots in that F1 movie, where full size cameras would not have been practical. Not to say that any video that comes out of a phone is cinema quality; it isn't. And in that movie they were using just the camera, not the phone or the phones processing, and they were still putting the footage through professional editing and grading. They're much better video cameras than stills cameras.
>>4531136>which can only be seen with extreme pixel peeping asOr cropping, or printing large. Also the same can be said for moire.>meanwhile moire and false color appears all over the place at large and small scale.In few cases. I've never had it be an issue for what I shoot.
>>4531139he's notorious for having vision issues but not being aware of them
>>4531130>your responsibility to blur the imageThat's not how it works, "blurring" in post isn't the fix. Best you can do is guesswork with the surrounding colors. The false color phenomena is mostly caused by the subpixels of each affected pixel getting uneven illumination due to high frequency detail. A well-designed OLPF evens out the pixel enough to negate the issue.
>>4531146>Also the same can be said for moire.No, because moire causes rainbows
>>4531139>and produces better quality, than a $2000 full frame mirrorless cameraBecause the phone does the heavy lifting for the normalfags, the full frame camera has the potential to look better but with competent postprocessing. Meanwhile the phone gets you a pleasant result SOOC.
>>4531148Its really obvious you don't know what you're talking about and have never used a camera>The false color phenomena is mostly caused by the subpixels of each affected pixel getting uneven illumination due to high frequency detail. A well-designed OLPF evens out the pixel enough to negate the issue.Woah there commander data.
>>4531153You don't even understand how Bayer works. You get lines where on a single pixel some subpixels get white shining on them and others black and it's read as color.
>>4531155>>4531148oh my god its retarded
>>4531156Nice rebuttal, cunting faggot troll.
They really let this AI go off the rails
After a year of photography/gearfagging, I will have to admit he's right and I am getting quite annoyed at excessive background blur. I used to think it was cool and I've spent a lot of money on fast lenses, but... why? It looks like shit.Are fast lenses a modern/AF obsession? I don't see how anyone was manually-focusing even f1.4 lenses back in the SLR days before electronic focus aids, unless they were shooting everything at infinity focus, or shooting from a tripod, because even the natural swaying of your body back and forth will cause you to lose focus.When did you stop giving a shit about fast lenses? IBIS and modern sensors seem to have made up most of the difference in low light, which is the only other reason they exist.
>>4531164Its a wedding photography thingFoids like blurry backgrounds, hate grain and really hate flash. Shooting at f1.2 in a poorly lit venue solves all 3.
>>4531164I think they are neat. First party premium fast lenses in the mirrorless era are unmatched when it comes to image quality. They are rather impractical considering their weight, but it is cool to have the option to blow out the background.It is kinda silly how far it has gotten where people are overly fixated on the quality of the bokeh and such. Personally I think so called busy bokeh looks cool now that everybody wants that "creamy" stuff.
>>4531164>I don't see how anyone was manually-focusing even f1.4 lenses back in the SLR days before electronic focus aidsYou're talking about stills right? Fast lenses are way easier to focus, its much clearer what is an isnt in focus than say an f/3.5 50mm lens. Yes, it's true you can lose focus if you move your camera around too much, but standing still to take the shot is sort of an important part of photography.
>>4531111>Also, whoever wrote that in your image is misleading people. Shooting RAW helps very little in cleaning up moire since moire is corruption at the RAW data level.Unironically it was sourced from Nikon's website kek.
>>4531131>Why would you buy a high res body and then cuck it down to the level of the low res ones by blurring the whole image?right it's better to blur the whole image AND lose several stops of light by shooting at diffraction apertures.
>>4531170>oh no, stops of light lost!You're very angry about something you have zero experience with. Basically every pro is using a tripod or stabilization when shooting architecture, or flash ween shooting fashion. They will also use softer lenses purposefully rather than buying a sharp lens just to have mandatory blur from an AA filter.If you have an issue with it, micro four thirds cameras are more your speed. They get free anti-aliasing because most lenses are a little soft for the pixel pitch. I mean, you talk about "sub pixels" and think capture one is using AI to demosaic. You have zero clue. Bayer pixels are actual pixels. Demosaicing algorithms make passes through the image inferring the other two color values for each one. There are no "sub pixels". That's how MONITORS, not cameras, work. More advanced demosaicing algorithms don't have as many moire issues because they're more accurate at this at small scales. The most advanced do multiple passes over the image refining their guesses to eliminate false information. This is what advanced software actually does.
>>4531111>moire is corruption at the raw data levelThis is an outright fucking lie. That's not even how raws work.
>>4531155Exactly. Here you can see striping on the vertical twig as it crosses the subpixel rows.it can be seen all over the place in this photo.https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/6037658348/600942
>>4531174>zoom in 9000% on a twig>it's ruined!That's why professionals avoided the leica m10 like a plague and absolutely refuse to buy cameras without AA filtersRemember when anon showed you the d750, which has an AA filter, had moire? You might if you're a human being but there's a good chance you're not... or you're just extremely dishonest
>>4531173It absolutely is.
>>4531181moire occurs after demosaicing. it's not "corrupted at the raw level". it's a demosaicing error. at the raw level, images are monochrome. that's why better demosaicing methods produce less moire. retard.you don't have the slightest clue of how anything works but act like an authority and throw in random technical terms you heard on ars technica and dpreviewand you do it over and over and over again like the last time you got told off didn't happen
>>4531173>This is an outright fucking lie. That's not even how raws work.and pic related is the RAW data of >>4531174As we can see the striping corresponds exactly with the SOOC jpeg.An OLPF would spread the color data to the adjacent photosites and then RAW sharpening would reconstruct the detail with minimal loss.>>4531182>moire occurs after demosaicing.lol
>>4531171>or flash ween shooting fashionOh it shows
>>4531182>images are monochromeand here is the raw data in monochome.oopsies, still striped!Why? because the sensor has physical color filters on each subpixel which pass only certain wavelengths of color. When a detail is so small as to trigger only certain colors when it should be triggering all colors, the sensor records a false color (false intensity). The solution to that is an expensive piece of optics called an optical low pass filter, which spreads light to adjacent subpixels, which causes an accurate color to be recorded. Then RAW sharpening restores the detail to be nearly as good as without OLPF but without false color.
>>4531186>Still stripedIt's very clearly not "striped" and you are zooming in enough to see individual pixels clearly. Can you show us where professionals avoided leica Ms like the plague over the lack of an OLPF? Where professionals refused to buy cameras without them? Why does this seem to matter when you pixel peep dpreview samples processed in ACR but not in real life?Please remember, professionals avoid OLPFs like the plague. They do not want them. You on the other hand are obsessed with a topic you don't understand from a hobby you don't do and have literally no cameras to buy because professionals, who do this for a living, do not want a single thing you do. You have never posted a photo you took. You have never proven you own a camera.You are obsessed with a topic you don't understand from a hobby you don't do. You have never posted a photo you took. You have never proven you own a camera.
>>4531186You are obsessed with a topic you don't understand from a hobby you don't do. You have never posted a photo you took. You have never proven you own a camera.
On old 4chan moire spammer would be permanently banned and wouldnt even be able to see /p/ (banned users could not view the board) and the guy replying to him would get a week reduced to 3 days if he sent moot a dick pic
>>4531192>>4531193actually it is professionals who want and buy OLPF.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2TyUrVBL8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hvb4vKJnY
>>4531192>professionals>Leica MThe post meant professional photographers, not healthcare and law professionals
>>4531195You're thinking of WT snacks. Moot would never do anything gay.>>4531198Leicas are pretty heavily used in fashion and editorial photography, actually. And the point does stand, most cameras sold today have no or a very weak AA filter because they're pretty much useless in stills and actually do more harm than good.Much like mirror boxes, but mirror boxes are just flat out inferior and contribute heavily to focus inaccuracy, bad lens design, and unwanted blur. Mirrorless has been a huge upgrade.
>>4531199>Leicas are pretty heavily used in fashion and editorial photography, actuallyNot Leica Ms
>>4531200Yes leica Ms. Deal w/ it poorfag.
>>4531202They use Ss and SLs
>>4531199>Moot would never do anything gay.Cue the maid pic
>>4531207He said he wanted to be the little girl, which makes it straight. Cogito, ergo loli.
What's a good diffuser to use for a godox tt685ii? I plan on using it handheld, holding it in one hand and my camera in the other
>>4531210large globe diffuser
>>4531216any specifically you can reccomend or just get whatever looks good?
>>4530983Do any of you have the modern offbrand Meike or TTArtisan lenses? How do you feel about them?
Could you recommend me a compact camera to casually photograph concerts with? "Professional" cameras are typically not allowed, but I'd like something better than a phone. Preferrably something cheap-ish just in case the camera breaks in a moshpit or something. Good zoom is a plus.
>>4531233I don't own any "offbrand" glass because I didn't like a single sample photo taken with those lenses. They usually render a lifeless, cold and low contrast image with busy background. It's generally smarter to buy good native glass used or adapt older lenses for that retro look.
>>4531241You'll have a very hard time finding a compact, casual camera that performs better than the newest iPhone Pro.The ones that are good are not cheap. The cheap ones are nothing more than a toy.
>>4531243Oh, okay. Thank you! Could you give me a few examples of cameras that would beat the iPhone Pro? Just so I have a general idea.
>>4531244Ricoh GR IIIxFujifilm X-E5
>>4531243>>4531244How cheap are we talking?
>>4531245Thanks!>>4531246I guess something that beats the iPhone Pro in value if that makes sense? I think I'll see what the models anon listed above would go for used, and then decide what to do.
cheap-ish is relative.
>>4531242Are you gonna post your rocks and leaves snaps or you gonna just yap?
>>4531254He answered the question, didn't he? Don't ask questions if you can't stand the aswers you don't like. You may feel differently about the lenses but the question literally started with "how do you feel about".
>>4531192>It's very clearly not "striped"But it is. >And you are zooming in enough to see individual pixels clearly.Those individual pixels are what causes the moire artifacts. It's not pixel peeping for detail, it's pixel peeping to find the reason the image looks like shit zoomed out. >>4531176Nobody here is saying moire is completely eliminated by an OLPF, just that the occurrences become much rarer to the point it ceases to be a worry. And the D750 dog had no rainbows.
>>4531243Absolutely any actual photo camera, even m43, is going to be better than a phone camera travesty. Phone will ruin a certain percentage of your photos with dogshit glass, sensor, and processing, you will be upset, and you will be excited to buy the next phone.What a phone camera has going for it, it automatically compresses the dynamic range in a more or less acceptable way, so you have less need to tweak shadows and highlights in post.
>cool photo>zoom in on one twig>ALL CAMERAS ARE BAD GIVE KOLARI MONEY/p/ is dead because of you in particular
>>4531242You sound like an audiophile
>>4531262I'm not that guy. I still think your reply was fucking retarded.
>>4531306But it wasn't my reply. I have third party lenses than first party ones but no chink ones. I have one old Sigma that doesn't play nice with my cameras sadly, even after installing the translation chip. Optically great though, I actually prefer it to the Canon. Double gauss design and the flares are pretty.
>>4531241Literally any interchangeable lens camera is better than a phone, but bouncers often draw the "compact/professional" line at interchangeable lenses, and compacts have been historically made worse than ILCs and equal to phones so it's a hard question to ask.You basically get>more quality, no zoomRicoh GRIII/X (passes as nonpro), fuji x100 series (may be pegged as pro)>middlingcanon v1, a micro four thirds camera>less quality, more zoom than a phonesony rx100 series, perpetually sold out canon powershot Gs, lumix ZS seriesyes, bouncer policy is literally to stop you from taking better photos than a phone.
>>4531300twigs? i think you nibbas sometimes confuse moire with CA
>>4531305Maybe, but there is much more to glass than sharpness and maximum aperture.
>>4531254>rocks and leavesThis time it's a photo of trash with a dedication to you (trash). My camera was $2000 and the lens I shot it with was another $950. Enjoy.
>>4531056>Might it be related to differences in microlens design? PDAF pixels?someone mentioned in another thread that Sonys use weak color filters to increase dynamic range while simultaneously hurting color accuracy. Maybe the computational compensation for weak filters exaggerates the false colors?
>>4531363It was technobabble. You were lied to. Color filters are proprietary, no one on /p/ knows which cameras use which filters besides a smattering of old DSLRs that had their specs published, and no one on /p/ knows how color filter strength actually correlates to color accuracy (jim kasson has an article on it and strong filters are actually worse than weak filters). You are looking at an adobe camera raw bug that exists because sony used to push new users towards adobe's direct competitor (and arguably, their superior) capture one.>Be adobe>Sony and fuji purposefully fucks you out of a shitton of revenue (they don't just get your subscription dollars, they sell your data, users=MONEY) by handing out free capture one licenses for years>Well, I guess we're not going to prioritize .ARW and .RAF support then!>Does the bare minimum and leaves sony detail rendering and colors "meh", resulting in moire whiners and the fuji-worms meme>Be capture one>Sony and fuji purposefully funnel hundreds of thousands of new users towards your software>Well, I guess we're going to prioritize .ARW support then!>goes above and beyond with multi-pass demosaicing>sony and fuji render sharper detail in capture one
>>4531356Yes, the crystals will vibrate more better
>>4531312How is that even a little bit relevant. Everyone knows what the Sigmas and Tampons are like. The bew TTArtisans are (reportedly) actually good and sharp, despite carrying a price tag weighing a tenth of the one on a Nikkor.
>>4531360Cool shot. I imagine this is from the storage area for some fruit distributor or similar?Doesn't look current either which adds to the interest factor.
>>4531368Main problem with Chinese niche lenses are the coatings. The light transmission is horrendous. F0.95 lenses requiring almost the same shutter speed as a first party f1.4 etc.
>>4531372It was an old fridge someone threw away. Most of the front was covered in those fruit stickers. I wish I took more than that single quick snap because the number and variety of stickers was astonishing. Some old lady must have been placing those stickers on her fridge for years, possibly decades.
>>4531366>Color filters are proprietary, no one on /p/ knows which cameras use which filters besides a smattering of old DSLRs that had their specs publishedyou can look at them with a microscope
>>4531366Nice conspiracy theory. More like capture one already had stronger default moire mitigation so Sony in their lack of an OLPF flocked to them. Fuji had their own issues because of X-trans and also cut some deal with Capture One so they accommodated for their more complex demosaicing algorithm that doesn't exacerbate worms so much. Capture One isn't free, it's priced in. It's like computers that come with Windows and bloatware preinstalled. There's licensing money there. Stay naive if you want.
>>4531366ChatGPT says you're full of shit
>>4531382How about a real response from a human?
>>4531383Find me the human autistic enough to bother testing each of your claims one by one. Ironically according to ChatGPT cANON's claims are better substantiated
>>4531366>strong filters are actually worse than weak filtersTwisting things as usual. There is an optimum filter strength. Not too strong and not too weak.Sony's probably perform like the two on the right on pic related, and not surprisingly the two on right are not used for color critical applications.
>>4531384Are you feeding my posts to a clanker? WTF manThey're evil machines, don't train them>>4531366C1 has AI noise reduction mixed with the demosaicing. they're performed together. It's literally making up bullshit. Enjoy the Matrix I guess. Sonyggers and fujislugs, always willing to give more to the machines that will hunt us down in the future just so they don't have to admit their hardware has problems.
>>4531374Huh?I don't believe that for a second.
>>4531388Post proof instead of reposting unrelated images or get the FUCK off the board>>4531391Post proof of your unsubstantiated claim or get the FUCK off the board
>>4531404If you used the filters both those reposting liars wouldn't have even showed upNor would you but I have recursive off so I can add more reposted imageshttps://pastebin.com/diHque73
>>4531404https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/35747427882653-Capture-One-16-8-release-notes#enhanced-denoisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ZPf5T1Py0Enjoy your generative AI "photos"
Used this setup for some 8x10 direct positive headshots. Came out lovely. Glowing, soft, even lighting with a touch of contrast to keep things interesting. Pretty catch light in the eyes.One grid for background, one grid hair light, keylight is the mola setti beauty dish with a sock, and the curved reflector to reduce shadows under the chin and act as a very mild kicker for opposite side of the keylight. I used a 4800ws strobe at full power just for the key light, and a second 2400ws pack split between the two gridded strobes. f5.6 was right on the money for the exposure. Chose to use a 270mm meyer & co schnellarbeiter F3 petzval. I was photographing my younger nephew so I didn't want it to be too soft/dreamy. Tip of nose to a little behind the chin was in focus. Everyone loved them. The extreme detail of 8x10 portraiture creates really striking and powerful portraits. It's like you're looking into someones soul. It's really intense and beautiful, especially with b&w.Once I get my darkroom built out I'll have my whole shop organized and Ill be able to have a much nicer and professional looking area dedicated to portraiture. This works just fine for seated portraits.What sort of lighting setups have you guys been using lately?
>>4531404>get the FUCK off the boardno you go.>>4531407absolutely disgusting.
>>4531407>they added AI denoiseGood for them. I rebuked the moire spammer aka you with your trip off with 16.5.11 (is it any wonder strong AA filters stopped being used after DSLRs died?)Adobe camera raw is bad software. Get over it.>no, it has to be the only one that counts because that helps my argument that fuji and sony are le badFuji worms are also fixed by markestejn 3 demosaicing in FOSS raw processors. Go figure. It's just adobe. Sony and fuji are good. People would rather use them than dogshit DSLRs that are only fully usable for autists and people with 2+ years experience.DSLRs are really genuinely inferior to mirrorless in every single way.
>>4531414100% the cheapest fujifilm is better than a 1dx iiidslrs are horrible. i dont blame dslr users for barely posting photos. they were never meant to be used except for professional jobs… thats why leica still existed. because dslrs are that bad.
>>4531414>the moire spammer aka youYou give me too much credit.>People would rather use them than dogshit DSLRs that are only fully usable for autists and people with 2+ years experience.>DSLRs are really genuinely inferior to mirrorless in every single way.lol, sounds like mirrorless is a crutch.Ask me how I know mirrorlesscucks won't graduate to film.
>>4531416Yeah DSLRs are the best if you barely do any casual photography at all, because nobody actually uses them casually. They're only anywhere near ok if you only do scheduled, purposeful stuff or have the thing in your cat/truck most of the time.
lol no wonder the fuji hating shill doesn’t take or post photosHe killed /fag/ … out of jealousy
>>4531414>I rebuked the moire spammerdo you still believe that moire is not in the RAW data or have you learned something this thread?
>>4531424You are obsessed with a topic you don't understand from a hobby you don't do. You have never posted a photo you took. You have never proven you own a camera.
>>4531424Non-zero chance that he's a dickwad from Bristol
Are there ANY Nikon K to M42 infinity focus adapters that DON'T smear your image quality to hell with the absolute worst beer bottle glass known to man?
>>4531444Nikon F* not Nikon K, durrrr
>>4531409Gear thread is for retarded takes and memes. Post real gear related questions somewhere else.
>>4531420>Ask me how I know mirrorlesscucks won't graduate to film.What if I started with film and the bought a Fuji?
>>4531450Imagine if /p/ solved all their arguments with photo battles. This place would be so much better. Maybe a mirrorless vs dslr photo battle thread would be fun.
>>4531453Lol, have you seen /rpt/?No one here knows how to take photos.There are better shots in the phone thread, which is just sad.Some of the accounts in the Instagram thread have great shots, but they never post them on /p/.
>>4531192You calling an obviously striped image "not striped" convinced me that the moire autist is actually right and the rest of you are delusional. I can never take anyone that disagrees with him seriously now. Good job.
>>4531455I know how to take pictures and print them. I also provide what I think is pretty good advice/critique in the film general.I think some people like arguing about cameras more than photography unfortunately. Photo battles would be a great way for everyone to get better and actually use their camera.. If they even have one!
>>4531455>Lol, have you seen /rpt/?I don't think most people post their best photos here. I only share decent snaps with no people in them. But yeah phone thread has few very nice photos. The magic of having your camera always with you.
>>4531460Eh, I mean they're good for phone pics, but still same-ish level as rpt. I think that camera phone posters have something to prove so they don't just post whatever snapshits like that one guy does in all the gear threads lmao
>>4531461>like that one guy does in all the gear threads lmaoYeah lmao.
>>4531461>they're good for phone pics, but still same-ish level as rptI'd love to see a few of your photos because rpt does get a few genuinely good and interesting photos every once in a while. You must be quite a photographer to dismiss all of those as worthless snaps.
I sold my lumix gx1 when I got a sony a6300 i really wanted a viewfinder and the sony is good but i miss my gx1 there was something nice about it. figured ill buy another because they are cheap but then i saw other options in this price rangeCurrent options are:Lumix GX1Lumix GF7Olympus EM10Olympus EPL6I have seen each of these for £100 with lenses, the em10 looks nice anyone have experience with these cameras whats good/bad?
>>4531481Don't buy another camera body. Buy a nice lens for your Sony instead. Don't be stupid.
>>4531481Or you could get something like a GH4, no idea how much they're asking for it but it's a camera you can use as a stepping stone to elevate your photography into the next level, cinema which is the finest and most evolved form of photography.
>>4531484i have a few lenses for it already although my favourites are some russia commy m42 lenses i use with adapters. i just miss my gx1 idk what it is but pictures from my sony feel soulless when i see them kek
>>4531487>sony feel soullessThat's normal. If I were you I'd stick with the Sony and I'd learn how to fix my colors in post or I would switch systems completely. Two bodies with incompatible lens mounts is just stupid.
>>4531489I know a guy who used to have 3 at once: K-1 II, GH6, a7II. He ended up selling the Sony, getting a K-3 IIIM and more lenses for both systems.
>>4531489>Two bodies with incompatible lens mounts is just stupid.hmmm maybe i should sell the sony and buy an olympus m43 and a gx1
each company having their own mount doesnt provide any value except money to the camera companies. they all should use the same one
>>4531501Communist
>>4531501I'm not buying a new camera until they settle on cross-brand standards. I'm tentatively okay with different mounts for smaller sensor sizes since then you can make the mount smaller as well (in theory) but they should all use the same communications protocol for electronics and it should always be possible to use a lens for a larger sensor on a mount for a smaller sensor with a simple and cheap adapter.>>4531504M42 was technically East German so you may be right. But if that's the case then I guess commies do have good ideas every now and then. Also L-mount isn't communist despite being an attempt at this (which will fail, because Leica likes to dictate what quality of cameras you can and can't sell with L-mount, which incidentally makes it extremely capitalist, ironically)
>>4531507It stifles innovation.
>>4531481>>4531487>>4531500>anime avatarfagging>micro four thirdsMind blown
>>4531501Truth. Every camera should use M42 screw mount and single, open source body<->lens communication protocol.>>4531509>lens mounts. Innovation.Bitch please they've been using variations of the same design since the 90s.
>>4531512m43 is great
>>4531035generals on basically every board are schizoneets that have nothing better to do.
>>4531515Geometry varies
>>4531517m43 is terrible. just get a ff nikon. >inb4 im a girl (male)
>>4531520>NothingburgerConcession accepted
>>4531526>NothingburgerLiterally the basis of optical design k3k
>>4531530Pentax has been using K-mount since fucking 1975. It's irrelevant.
>>4531517Lol no>>4531487Get a cheap nikon z5 or z6. They're the best system for using old lenses with sovl because nikon is the only brand other than leica to use a thin filter stack.>using vintage lenses on a crop cameraYou're cropping out the sovl
>>4531507yeah obviously makes sense for old SLRs to have a different mount than mirrorless, or for compact formats like M4/3 or for medium large formats but not if they're all using the same bayonet mount with a bunch of electrical contacts on the same size sensor.And if they do use different mounts, let them be different in things like sensor size, why not?
>>4531534Would you really want a world where everyone uses sony E mount?
>>4531537if all the major camera manufacturers were based in Europe not Japan, I imagine the EU would mandate something closer to Nikon or Canon mount in the 2010s.Certainly not the undersized Sony mount that was designed for APS-C
>>4531538>if all the major camera manufacturers were based in Europe not Japan, I imagine the EU wouldMandate something like canon EF halfway into mirrorless development, presenting lens designers with challenges that result in oversized overcomplex glass, and end up mandating something like sony mount which is sufficiently sized for both FF and APS-C but presents lens designers with challenges that result in overcomplex glass and sensor designers with filter-stack design challenges to correct the ray angles.When you let a government regulate something they find they worst possible thing to do, and then find ways to regulate more things until your camera shuts off when it detects police uniforms
>>4531468Posted the wetplate in the gear thread a few days ago. Dont normally post pics in here tho. It's kinda gay unless you're demonstrating something, especially 4/10 snapshits. I have my casual photography and then my serious photography. Wandering around with only a camera is casual photography. Studio work is serious photography. For me. Yours could be different.92% of pictures posted here are casual photographs. Not necessarily a bad thing, but you can only get so good of a picture aimlessly wandering around with only a compact camera. I wish more people understood this and really started making photographs to share. >>4531464This is a great example of casual photography. It's compositionally okay aside from the fact that it was lazily taken at standing height. It captures a relatively pretty scene, but who gives a shit about? I've seen essentially that same picture 20+ times already. Curving road in the woods. Woohoo. You went hiking. Nice.Ill never frame it and hang it on my wall. I already forgot it exists. It's really nothing more than the evidence you pressed a button standing in the woods. As an outside observer I feel almost nothing from it. >but I take these pics for myself!Clearly not because you damn near spam them in every gear thread and /rpt/.
This whole discussion of sharing one mounting system is literally just XKCD #927>There are now 14 competing standardsThe best mounting system is the one my brand uses. That way when everyone has to use the mounting system I already use, then I can keep using all my lenses.
>>4531481if you shoot jpeg I would avoid olympus since their processing of fine detail has always been terrible.https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/3632672590/658811
>>4531550Both of these look terrible. Imagine caring.>reposted twice>each time to start a brand argument>fucking dpreviewOnto the list you go
>>4531538Doubt, because ILC market is niche, although maybe there would be less protection for Canon-like behavioir.
>>4531545It was briefly a thing with M42. Then every brand realised their customers were buying first-party glass from other brands if they decided that someone else offered a better price or a better product, and they weren't getting a cut. So mounts became proprietary to secure sales.Also XKCD is retarded reddit onions drivel. USB alone proves that comic wrong. Every industry has at least one example of a successful universal standard.
>>4531557They also realized they lacked the instant communication to develop a good standard for auto-exposure and it was better if they all tested their solutions independently.To think man can get together and create perfection on the first try is hubris. Standardization = stagnation.>USB proves that comic wrongThere are 4 different USB ports in common use and 3 of them are pretty fragile. Now that USB-C is being slowly forced we can expect better future ports to be totally sidelined, harder than firewire, until the EU finally accepts that they dont violate islamic feelings or something.
>>4531558>There are 4 different USB ports in common use and 3 of them are pretty fragileAll of them completely forward and backward-compatible, same communications protocols, all plugs convertible to any other plug. Total inter-operability.>Now that USB-C is being slowly forced we can expect better future ports to be totally sidelinedBecause we don't need any more. Type-C for anything that's size-sensitive, full-size Type-A and Type-B for everything that isn't. Transfer rates may be improved but the physical connectors will stay the same. And bitches like you will complain while enjoying the benefit of being able to plug your old-ass shit into USB5 ports or vice-versa.USB is based as fuck, and the EU is right to mandate its adoption. Firewire always sucked ass and you know it.>They also realized they lacked the instant communication to develop a good standard for auto-exposure and it was better if they all tested their solutions independently.Peak cope and corpo apologetics. They did it for money and control. Nothing more, nothing less. Suits are nothing if not predictable in their motives.
>>4531558EU didn't force USB-C as a standard. It only forced major manufacturers to decide on a single port. There is nothing stopping those manufacturers from coming up with a new standard. Government regulation is the only thing keeping corporations from turning you into a slave.
>>4531563I want the reality where USB-B won and phone manufacturers needed to work that out lol
>>4531565>USB-BMaybe we would have good batteries and thermals in our mobile devices. Thin phones were a mistake.
>>4531568I have to admit, I've never actually seen the USB 3 version of full-size Type-B in the flesh. What was this used for?I've never seen a full-size Type-B break, either, so there's that.
>>4531574>What was this used for?Printers I think. Also my LG gaming monitor for some reason.
>>4531563>Government regulation is the only thing keeping corporations from turning you into a slave.its a fucking cable
>>4531555checked. everyone who posts an image more than once is a bot/shill.
>>4531509>It stifles innovation.Yes, this argument applies to many things. Not to the fucking mount diameter being a couple milimetres wider or narrower which "mounts" the customer into buying future lenses and cameras from the same company instead of competitors
>>4531574It's used for high speed USB hubs, like the ones included on monitors. Also hard drive enclosures.
>>4531611You'd be freezing technology like the Americans who had to use sealed beams for decades after the world had moved on. You wouldn't have the liberty to add new contacts for new functions.
>>4531615dishonest analogy
>>4531615>creating a standard via government laws isn't the same as creating a standard via government laws
>>4531607This is the amount of distortion XF18 f/1.4 produces. This is a RAW with no lens corrections. With in camera corrections it's pretty much perfectly straight and sharp corner to corner.
>>4531637Sure, but the image had perspective distortion. It just looked like there was some lens distortion because the upper half was cropped. Barrel/pincushion distortion and perspective distortion can look very much alike if you are looking at one half of the frame (both create converging lines).You told me to let go, but here you are making yet another post because you're mad I corrected your picture.Read these so you can do it yourself in the future instead of getting mad:https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/perspective.htmhttps://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/correctinglensdistortion.htm
>>4531637Just don't reply to cANNOT the never-photo. Nigga lost a photobattle to a dog and mistook him for wallman the hebrew.
camera is a flopnot even top 15 pre-order on B&Hall they had to do was put a corner EVF and they had an A7C killer.instead they downgraded the screen resolution from the z5ii LOL
>>4531666if they did a hotshoe evf, it would be moar competitive, but not enough
>>4531648
>>4531666It will likely be very popular actually, you're missing who it's made for if you think it's meant to compete with the a7cIIBean soup theory, etc
>>4531685>Casuals will casually edit 12 bit n raw on their davinci resolve
>>4531685>bean soup theoryIt's more like lentil and cow shit curry theory. Yeah I totally want to pay $100 less to have no EVF and a downgraded screen so I can save...50 grams. It's not bean soup. It's lentil cow shit curry.Whats actually going on isSony still sells nikon a lot of their sensors even after they bought REDCuriously everyone who buys sony sensors just can NOT make a full featured full frame compact.The a7cii and a7cr are sony's top sellers and the only reason they can claim "#1 in full frame market share" because they are the only fully featured full frame compactsThe only brand even coming close to stepping on their toes is canon, who doesnt buy sony sensors, and they share blackrock money (notoriously skeevy and meddling activist investor) so I don't think a rangefinder style canon is ever happening until sony is ready to compete, and sony cameras just can't deliver the same quality as canon without leaning on megapixels, let alone the same build quality
>>4531688>Having an advanced feature means a camera isn't for casualsWhat a silly take, especially when Nikon themselves is marketing it literally for casualsIs the opposite true too? Having a more casual control layout, for example, must mean it's for casuals
>>4531690It sounds like it's not the right camera for you and you want something else entirely, but are somehow fixated on this having xyz more featuresThat's Bean soup theory, you are good example
>>4531690>The a7cii and a7cr are sony's top sellersThey are popular in Japan, but even there, not the top Sony sellerThey're less popular elsewhere, and certainly not a top seller for any of my local stores
>>4531693>no, no, every decision a company makes is heccin valid. every product has a person it's for.Where consumerist sycophants see bean soup, I see lentil cow shit curry.>Minor price cut>Major feature cut>Absolute refusal to directly compete with competitors top sellerLentil cow shit curry.You'd probably defend smartphones axing SD card slots as "bean souping" too, all it would take is your tiktok programming to occur a little earlier. Stop being a sycophant for a greedy corporation, or possible sony extortion victim.
>>4531695Western brick and mortar retail is a pretty irrelevant sector for camerasThe a7cii topped the charts in japan and china, which are larger markets than the west, especially western brick and mortar.Refusing to directly compete with what sells the most in the largest markets is extremely suspicious. It's $100 off to save 50g (can most people even notice 50g?) and axe major features. Not bean soup. Cow shit curry.Bean soup is>but i don't like beans>a lot of people doCow shit curry is>but i dont like cow shit curry>Too bad our board agreed this would be profitable
>>4531696>I have a shit perspective on the camera marketTrueNot defending, just trying to help inform you, as someone that actually sells Sony camerasEven on B&H, a7cII is like #13 for Sony mirrorless bodies, you are really overestimating their popularityIf you're upset it's not a7cII tier, why not just get one of those and you'd have nothing to be upset about? Do you always get upset at products not made for you?
>>4531699Sounds like Nikon should be going for other models if what you say is what matters
>>4531699https://www.bcnretail.com/ranking/monthly/contents_type=193Kinda seems like the Z5IIc fits closer to the rankings you mention, which seem to be missing your Sony
>>4531615Dishonest + sealed beams were better, actually.
>>4531699Wow, even just the base Z5II is already more popular than the a7cIIBut you think having a cheaper, more casual friendly model will sell less? Suppose we can wait and see
>>4531701>Even on B&H, a7cII is like #13 for Sony mirrorless bodies, you are really overestimating their popularity/fa/ggots here are obsessed with camera size but people who care about photography don't care about it
>its another corgifag simps for nikon after they release a shitty camera episode>its another huskyfag shills capture one episodeI wanna filter these two
>>4531707Wrong + wrong.And you know what they say, two wrongs don't make a right.
>>4531713>saying a cheaper version of a popular camera will sell well is simpingWish I could filter you with that logic budIt's not the camera I "wanted" either but at least I can understand its place in the market
>>4531716thank you nikon llm
>>4531674wow it's yugeif the hotshoe EVF pops high above the body, also DOA. If it sticks out towards back, okay.
>>4531720Another reason why it's silly thinking of it as an a7cII competitor Zr is relatively large too, basically same size as their EVF modelsR8II is pretty sick, really like it
>>4531710>>4531703If these are US market it basically doesn't countChina on the other hand genuinely matters
>>4531722>R8II is pretty sick, really like itI just wish Canon would allow zebras in still photo mode. Blows my mind that they don't have any form of live view clipping indication.
>>4531734Magic Lantern has that crutch if you need it so bad. ETTR is detrimental to punchy pictures though.
>>4531690>>4531696Z5 IIC is over a thousand bucks less than a7C II. If they were roughly the same price you'd be right, but they aren't.>I don't like cheaper cameras>A lot of people doIt's bean soup.
>>4531736>ETTR is detrimental to punchy pictures though.if bringing exposure down in post is changing your colors, either you clipped them, the raw processor you are using is incompetent and you shouldn't be using it, or your camera is super dogshit and its raws are basically fancy jpeg files
>>4531741>sorry, we can't add an EVF>why? not even an older cheaper one?>sony would stop selling us sensors/nikon
>>4531715Sealed beams:>Don't fog up>Reliable>Can buy replacement bulbs for cheap at most Walmarts, easy to service>Practical brightness limitation, not too dim but not too brightLED lamps:>Fog and ice at the drop of a hat>Sensitive to weather conditions in general>Finicky electronics>Exorbitantly expensive to replace, special order only>Pain in the ass to replace>Way too fucking bright, oncoming traffic is downright blinding, genuine road safety hazard>Somehow doesn't last any longer than sealed beams before burning out despite LEDs theoretically having way longer MTBFThe technology is better on paper but the implementation is way shittier. And it's because they're not standardised like sealed beams were.
>>4530983I feel like I'm the only person who likes the look of STF lenses. I wish I could justify buying one.
>>4531742cANON has proven that he's blind as shit. He's recently tried giving feedback and edits in /rpt/, and it's going as well as you'd expect.
>>4531748Now now, I'm sure he has a 13 year old blog post concerning a canon rebel and lightroom 4.0 to support his case.
a GFX-sized medium format sensor would technically fit inside the Z mount. Would they ever do it?
>>4531754You would get such intense mechanical vignetting from that I cannot imagine you'd be doing anything but using 1:1 crops.Might be some merit to using a FF sensor with the GFX mount to use their lenses.
>>4531666It's a plastic fantastic body with a reheated 8yo sensor tech and no evf. >1700usdI'm really surprised people are still taking about it.
>>4531756Sony does the same thing and their lenses often vignette less than canon'sit just uses steeper ray anglessony corrects for it, nikon uses super thin glass and would need specialty microlenses
>>4531744You forgot to mention that jet fuel can't melt sealed beams.
>>4531758It's not that. The flange diameter is fine. The problem is that Z mount lenses are designed to be used with full-frame sensors, the image circle wouldn't be big enough for MF. It's the same problem as using an APS-C lens on FF.
>>4531744I was talking about Euro halogens>brighter>better light pattern>more aerodynamic>cheaper bulb replacements>better aesthetics>can feature things like automatic leveling or corner following (as in the French DS)
What camera settings combination gives you the most cinematic look?
>>4531770This camera looks horrible to use. Like they designed it so every moment would be spent wishing for a 5D. No wonder micro four thirds, sony and fuji accumulated so many fanboys so fast. >look at modern entry level canons>they still do this shit up until the r10>the rp and r8 and even the new r8ii use an apsc batteryholy shit fuck canon
>>4531783Its called a scamera. A greedy corporation cuts costs so much, it can seem like there was no reason to on the surface, just because there are retards who buy them without knowing anything about cameras, so when they learn something, they realize they got screwed and buy another camera - once they have enough lenses in the proprietary mount that it is difficult and financially inadvisable to switch brands (for a normal person, this is as little as two). Even if they upgrade to a used higher end model instead of buying new they're still buying canon accessories for life and it is for this reason canon comes down hard on 3rd party lenses and batteries.A lot of the feature cuts are to reduce assembly steps since labor is more expensive than parts. They don't really care what features are axed as long as the end result has fewer useful controls than a nicer camera.Canon is so cheap they even crippled the sensor size.
>>453177028mm, f11, 1/50s, 2.4:1 crop, orange and blue lightroom preset, cool wb with slight green tint
>>4531783What's so bad about it? You can even use it one handed
>>4531788There's a reason even cheaper cameras from less greedy brands have at least two control dials and everyone flocks to fuji and sony for having a dial for each control instead of a button-holding dance inherited from plastic fantastics
I fell for the meme. It is my first full frame digital camera and my first Nikon. Compared to my Panasonic G9II...>front and rear dials are terrible. The front dial is pushed too far in, you can only get 4-5 clicks before having to reset your finger. And it is mushy and not satisfying. The rear dial is a bit better but the way the thumb grip area is designed blocks your thumb from spinning it easily.>The ISO dial is retarded. You spin the front wheel (while holding the iso button) to change from auto to manual, and the back wheel to change the actual iso once in manual mode. Retarded, just put it all on one dial>buttons are generally mushy.>RAW files were coming from the camera corrupted. I haven't updated the firmware on the camera or it could be my linux. I am not the only one with the issue.>NO FUCKING USB MASS STORAGE OVER USB-C! FUCK YOU NIKON! No, they don't list it on their spec list. I have to pull the card out of my camera and plug it into a card reader which I then plug into my laptop like a fucking monkey. I cannot write any info (like a firmware update) to the sd card without the card reader.These are only my first impressions. I will update in the next thread. So far I am not happy and my G9II takes a shit on this thing.
>>4531799>>The ISO dial is retarded. You spin the front wheel (while holding the iso button) to change from auto to manual, and the back wheel to change the actual iso once in manual mode. Retarded, just put it all on one dialyou can switch it to press-release button and then rotate the dial to change it. so that you dont hold it for a long time>buttons are generally mushyyes and the d-pad is tiny and impossible to use unless with your untrimmed thumbnail
>>4531799>NO FUCKING USB MASS STORAGE OVER USB-Chttps://onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z5II/en/computers_connecting_via_usb_99.htmlunfortunately requires their software for mac or windows
>>4531802yeah if it requires external software it doesn't count. Same with the pixel shift mode on this camera. My Panasonic combines them all in-camera, but it doesn't do HDR like Canon does.None of these companies ever make their software available for Linux anyway
>>4531799>entry level nikon has shittier knobs than high end m43 model form panasoonicwow anon, just compare image quality and auto focus and throw away your panasoonic brick with babby sensor
>>4531806Good knobs don't actually cost extra for companies to make in the same way full frame vs m43 sensors do, but you knew that already.>autofocusI only use manual lenses, autofocus is demonic technologyimage quality is quite nice even with vintage lens, I cannot deny.
>>4531799your only real, functional issues are from exclusively using linux. no shit a major company isn't going to invest in compatibility with something less than 1% of first worlders do.The rest is you prioritizing how it feels to fingerfuck a camera over the image rendering the camera is capable of in skilled hands.Honestly you've done nothing more than further convince me that no one who uses linux as a desktop OS without employment in, ie: cybersecurity, software development, systems administration or international intelligence should be considered fully human. Desktop linux without monetary incentive is a universal indicator that nothing you do matters and you will never produce anything of value.The desktop linux user always turns out to be an entitled autist who has little freakouts over nothing that matters in reality and paranoid delusions about the government finding their lolicon stash. Total linturd death.>>4531802>>4531805Incorrect. All nikon cameras just plug right in and work on windows. It's MTP, not mass storage. Windows supports MTP by default with no .cfg editing required.>it doesnt combine pixel shift in cameraYeah you might be surprised to know this but basically 99% of people who use FF ILCs exclusively shoot raw for anything quality critical enough to require pixel shift because a full sized raw processor will always be superior to a camera's basic one. If you don't care about the quality bump from using proper raw software, why would you care about the quality bump from shooting full frame?I don't blame nikon for overlooking this at all. Pixel shift images always need manually edited for motion artifacts unless it's photos of entirely static small objects (fucking city skylines move too much for pixel shift) so doing it in camera tends to be a crapshoot.
>>4531810What do you mean by "good knobs"? Nikon has weather sealing in excess of most olympus cameras, probably better than the om1ii, as evidenced by nikons going to space (hell environment full of conductive, electronics-wrecking dust). Their creakiest, most plasticky, least well made FF (nikon ZF) was personally tested in a typhoon by matt granger, which places it in excess of IP67 standards.The mush you're feeling is all the sealing. $1500 FF camera. It's pretty expensive to somehow combine IP67 grade moisture barriers with the crisp feel you'd expect out of a metal pistol. The G9II buttons feel crisper because the moisture barriers are lesser, and they saved even more money by using an exponentially cheaper sensor, and cheaper electronics with less miniaturization (the g9II is the same size as an FF S5)>I only use manual lenses, autofocus is demonic technologyIf you think something this retarded why did you buy a full frame camera?May we see a photo of the full frame camera you purchased or are you just shilling?
>>4531812And yes I'm saying it's possible you're fucking lying and the Z5II's buttons are crisp (your inability to figure out that nikon cameras connect via MTP is a clue that you might be lying instead of just retarded, but who knows with linturds...), but all I know myself is how it feels to use a ZF, and it's not as crisp as the Z6II/Z7II.
>>4531811>linux is le bad>I am a willing cuck to the megacorpdamn, even on /p/?based on this incorrect opinion alone, you are actual livestock and no opinion you could ever hold will be relevant or interesting. You are personally responsible for the enshittification of digital cameras.>>4531812>What do you mean by "good knobs"?I'm just comparing to my G9ii which is the only other DSLR-style camera I own at the moment>May we see a photo of the full frame camera you purchased Nah, I'm lazy. My photo with it is >>4531810 though.
>>4531799Full frame is a meme and you're retarded for falling for it. To fit a larger and more expensive sensor in an affordable camera body manufacturers need to make cuts everywhere else. Leave full frame to professionals and people with really fat wallets.
>>4531817>>4531799If APS-C can take images like this then why pay more?
>>4531815>no, you cant use an operating system that actually works, because, uh, corporations>SHEEPLEYou use an operating system fully controlled by the five eyes+mossad. It's only open source so they have plausible deniability. Its nature as a dynamically linked system with rolling updates makes it piss easy for them to compromise multiple programs at once. Desktop linux is glow-ware, just like tor.>The best photo you could take with a god tier FF camera is a flat, badly edited tomato snapshitWhy buy full frame if you're such a bad photographer you make it look like micro four thirds?Full frame is for people who can make micro four thirds almost look like full frame and still notice the lacking tonality and soulless rendering.>>4531818You're the guy who spent $2000 on 40mp aps-c to post 8mp jpegs of his backyard thoughbeit
>>4531818I really got it because all the vintage lenses are full frame and lenses are all that's important to me.I had an X-T3 and really loved the photos I got. The Z5II definitely has much superior dynamic range, while color and sharpness are on par.
>>4531819>Desktop linux is glow-wareOutstanding bait. I've never even heard this take on /g/ of all places.
>>4531821Anon thinks everything is a rolling release / dynamically linked distro. He's in full pay piggy cope.>the two operating systems that upload screenshots to their servers and scan your files for wrong think are less pozzed because... because they just are, okay!
>>4531819>You're the guy who spent $2000 on 40mp aps-c to post 8mp jpegs of his backyard thoughbeitDon't forget three ~$900 primes. Could not be happier with this decision. Premium EVF, great buttons and dials, USB mass storage mode, glass is insanely good and still very compact, takes amazing images that rarely need editing. Pure joy to use.
>>4531818>soft and noisy at 12mp>blows highlights>can't into stopping down without cranking the ISO (lacking skill)you'll get better at this eventually desu>>4531820>color on par with g9iihahahaha if you think this you don't know how to use ita larger sensor with greater full well capacity records many many times more colors and finer gradations. if you can't make use of this stick to your phone, i mean, micro four thirds.>>4531821It's glow-ware, which is why tranny COCs were forced everywhere, systemD now meets the technical definition of the actual operating system (and linux is just a hardware management program it loads), and torvalds purged all russian origin maintainers.Linux is a five eyes project.>>4531822>I promise I use slackwareYou don't.>linux definitely doesn't spy on me because its ~open source~And no one can read the obfuscated, maliciously documented code that enabled the backdoor except for the glowies who wrote it.And every maintainer who wanted to keep an eye on it for backdoors was purged. It's glow-ware. Use openBSD or lower your tone when speaking to me.
>>4531823your results just don't say $4700 to me, sorry bruhsounds more like you're a consoomer who wanted a jewel-like toy to hold more than they wanted to get some photography done with a rugged tool
>>4531824Having read wireshark outputs of my own install, if it is spyware, they at least have the curtsy of hiding it. Microslop and Crapple both tell you about their exciting new spyware features to your face.
>>4531824>soft and noisy at 12mpfilm grain effect>blows highlightsyou're not even trying anymore>can't into stopping down without cranking the ISO (lacking skill)image captured with base ISO>Linux is a five eyes project.Why am I even replying to people like you lmao. I guess I must be retarded too.
>>4531827There's a difference between actual spying (which is very purposeful and so context aware they have ways of making sure you're not running wireshark at the moment) and being paranoid that generic analytics will find your child porn stash and anti-israeli terrorist plots, linturd.>>4531828That grainy, blurry mess with blown highlights is base ISO...?
>>4531799>So far I am not happy and my G9II takes a shit on this thing.I had a similar experience trying Sony after using a Panasonic as my first real camera.The Sony went back.It seems like there isn't actually an upgrade to Lumix, that's not to say that Lumix is perfect, it's that the others are worse.
>>4531830what i'm hearing is that nikon and sony are for people who do photography and care about their photos, and lumix and fuji are for people who pose as photographers and like to fingerfuck and look at cameras>sony, nikon, canon, olympus:>i'll have some photos after next weeks shoot>otherwise i use my phone>its in a dry box, but its going to the rainforest next week. more like a drying box amirite boys?>lumix, fujifilm, leica >i turn it over in my hands while i post on 4chan and watch youtube videos>i have two cameras so i can post nice photos of my camera on reddit>its always on my desk so i can have fresh proof i'm hasphoto if i merely step outside to find a flower in my backyard or my cat doing something
>>4531829>(which is very purposeful and so context aware they have ways of making sure you're not running wireshark at the moment)They don't. You wouldn't run it on the same computer, and they'd have no way of knowing. Network timing is too variable to do things like timing attacks. You outed yourself as know-nothing retard. But keep trying. Maybe if you act as a contrarian long enough you'll convince yourself that your daddy should have loved you after all because you're totally interesting and not just unwanted brat.
>>4531829>That grainy, blurry mess with blown highlights is base ISO...?Posting this just in case anyone is stupid enough to fall for your trolling. Unprocessed RAW, 100% crop.
>>4531832If anyone was spying on you, your entire home network would be compromised, retard. No matter what you thought you were doing to evade surveillance, they would intercept any hardware you purchased and bug it.What you're actually trying to avoid is generic, anonymized analytics finding illegal material. "Wrongthink"? Planning a mass shooting?
>>4531833This is from a 28mm equivalent lens btw. Not a macro. No tripod just ibis. Why pay more for a heavier camera you'll never want to carry outside?
>>4531833>its still grainyhow much did you underexpose to protect those blown highlights when you should have just shot f/11 with flash
>>4531835you have an xh2you literally paid more for a heavier camerastop trying to gearbait and go learn to use it
>>4531834Spying is so advanced today that they probably have pre-bugged hardware and send it to anyone on a list, and save intercepting packages for ebay
>>4531833It's actually kind of apparent you're struggling for DR and your fine detail is just all over the place.100mm macro lenses are not big and a speedlite is not back breaking. If you're doing macro do it properly. This photo is just a snapshit but close up.Also why the fuck are your whites turning blue?
>>4531834So you basically admitted that the only time Linux would be a spy vector it wouldn't matter anyway because there would be a camera in my toilet. Nice argument, moron. Last (You) because this is offtopic and you're boring.
>>4531837You can get the same sensor and processor in a much smaller package (X-E5). Unlike the latest Nikon flop it even has an EVF.
>>4531838>pre-bugged hardwareit's called ARM and x86
>>4531836>>4531837>>4531839Those nophoto 5D MK II tears are too delicious. Keep tem coming.
>>4531840You'd be surprised by how cheap and easy it is to just monitor all of the systems in your home. Basically all modern hardware has backdoors built in, and even if you use glow-ware like loonix for an illusion of privacy, they are still spying on you if there is there is something to know. That obfuscated mess is 0% secure. Nothing they'd get would be court admissable but nothing they do goes through the court system either. You'd just disappear, or plausibly die of a drug overdose.All you're avoiding is generic analytics that scan for child porn. So what are you really afraid of?>>4531843>pays $4700 for big heavy equipment>struggles to use it outside of his backyard>already too bogged down to use a flash for macrokek
>>4531841You get btfo in one thread then spew your same retarded arguments and shitty center framed, zero effort, snapshits in the next. You're worse than the tripfags. Very fitting you have taken one up recently. Why are you incapable of posting a good photograph? Is it your crappy camera, maybe?
>>4531846Some people are into doing photographySome people are into being photographers
>>4531846>Why are you incapable of posting a good photograph?After you m'lady.
>>4531847Okay that makes sense. I guess some people cant ever let on to the fact that after 5k dollars and 40k snapshits you haven't improved one bit, and probably got worse.
>>4531846>Very fitting you have taken one up recently.Temporarily as a joke. I don't need a trip because I'm like the only person here that takes and posts some photos every once in a while. Because of that nobody here has the ability to impersonate me. Check and mate.
>>4531849well, there's alsowhen people overspend and realize they have this big hunk of shit that's not the best for their dollar they tend to find ways to justify it"it has a better EVF""it feels so much better to press the buttons""i use it every day""im hasphoto"but the totally miss the mark, that justifying it is the act of doing good photography. instead they feel the need to use it every day like its to meet a photos per dollar quota. meanwhile ansel adams had a huge 16x20 camera he used once a year.
>>4531848>admits he only posts shitty snapshitsKEK. Whenever you get btfo you just ignore the post and then continue on with your same BS a day later. Tripfag behavior.
I remember when gearfags were coolThey'd make their micro four thirds look almost as good as their FF and still call mft shitToday's gearfags take a wide open snapshit of a bug/garden plant with their FF and say its worse than mft because of the button feel or something>but i have to shoot wide open to justify the sensor size
I use the gear thread as a coping mechanism for wasting my money on an inferior product. Buyers remorse is real. I am a filthy casual that just enjoys cool tech gadgets and have no desire to pursue photography as an art or creative pursuit.
>>4531813>>4531811I know what MTP is and I got it working just fine. My problem is that Nikon's implementation is read-only. Why does Nikon not offer mass storage on their cameras? I can pay $3 for a USB stick with this technology. I can pay $50 for a chinkshit music player with this technology. I can pay $200 for a low-end smartphone with mass storage. I can pay $1500 for a G9ii with this technology. So what is Nikon's excuse?
>>4531854That's not me. I would never admit to my buyers remorse. Which I don't have. See? Here's my photo.
>>4531853>say its worse than mft because of the button feelYes. The button feel on my z5ii is objectively worse than on my g9ii. What exactly is your argument here?
>>4531856>Why does a serious camera not allow an untrusted device to write to it over USB?Good question. For a paranoid linux user afraid of microsoft analytics finding his CP stash and terrorist plots, you should know the answer already.>>4531858The argument is that you're not concerned with photography as much as you are concerned with the camera as a sort of funko popIt's like you bought a slow as fuck sports-styled car with objectively bad handling in real track conditions, and yet talk about the road feel while all you do is commute. Then one day you buy a serious track car in the same category as a luxuo-sport consumerbait machine and say "the road feel is shit" "i hate driving this" "the gas pedal dont work right, i cant shift mah gears".
>>4531854Thanks for finally admitting the truth. We all knew it. Now stop spamming shitty photos in the gear thread.
>>4531856>comparing a pro camera to a chinkshit toyguys who does the camera sold to pro journalists not allow russians to plug a usb dongle into it and compromise the firmware or inject malware onto the memory card to later infect another computer guyyyyyys its not fair i wanted to use my camera as a porn stashlinturds are truly subhuman
>>4531864>ignores all the other things that implement usb mass storageretard
>>4531865yes why indeed does nikon not allow read/write over mtpwhy not let whoever can grab the camera write to the cards even without a dedicated card reader on handwhy not let them wipe the cards without removing themdont they know linturds want maximum features for their heccin freedom?why indeedfor a paranoid retard you're pretty fucking shit at being a paranoid retard
>>4531859I am rightfully complaining that a $1500 camera does not have the technology that a $5 flash drive does. This is a realistic criticism, especially since [other brand] of $1500 camera does have this technology.
>>4531866>still thinks I want USB mass storage for le privacy or something, when I said from the very beginning I want it so I can move files from the USB-C cable I'm already charging the camera on instead of having to pull out the card and plug it into a card readeryou are criminally retarded. it is not right that you are allowed anywhere near a keyboard.
>>4531867You linturds lack cognitive complexity.>I want all the features, all the options, maximum control. I am being oppressed. why does my camera not work as a usb drive? why can i not use it as an mp3 player?>>4531868All nikon cameras can transfer photos from the camera to a PC over the USB cable. All of them. If you were unable to do this maybe you shouldnt be using linux when you're too fucking stupid to get MTP working.A card reader is required to write to the card for very basic, obvious security reasons - stopping field agents from easily writing to the memory cards and installing malicious firmware if they can't have a card reader and full fledged computer on hand, forcing them to resort to more obvious things like full confiscation and tampering that would break trust and make the attack weaker.
I went to russia, they plugged a lil USB thing in and wiped both my memory cardsBut at least I could use my camera as a porn stash for a bit
>>4531869You're being a mix between a nigger and a woman. It's like a 40/60 split. Feel free to stop being a nigger/woman whenever you feel the need to. Anons requests are valid. You're being some weird brand white knight. And you're straw manning as a final defence mechanism. You wouldn't happen to have been abused as a child would you anon?
>>4531854>>4531853>>4531852>>4531851It's hard to believe how a single APS-C image could make all nophoto fool frame gearfags so mad. Keep crying niggas. Superior Fujifilm images are gonna keep coming until nophoto gearfags leave and morale improves.
>>4531856Could be similar to Android going from mass storage to MTP. Except that phones let you write over MTP. But we are talking about Japs. They'll add arbitrary bugs and limitations so that customers don't relax too much.
>>4531871Let me make this extremely clear.The camera does not work as a USB drive because it is a professional device and professionals do not want or need random, untrusted computers writing to their memory cards over USB.This is a SECURITY FEATURE.Not explaining this further. I've explained this to you in clear terms over three fucking times and all you've done is act like the exact kind of incel you revealed you were when you admitted you were paranoid over microsoft finding known CSAM hashes on your device but never cared about actual surveillance methods.All desktop linux users that dont have a valid incentive for using linux are exactly like you. Really.
>>4531868There is no point arguing with that guy. He's mentally ill.my fuji can do mass storage and works fine on Linux btw
>>4531869>All nikon cameras can transfer photos from the camera to a PC over the USB cable. All of them. If you were unable to do this maybe you shouldnt be using linux when you're too fucking stupid to get MTP working.We've figured that out.>stopping field agents from easily writing to the memory cards and installing malicious firmware if they can't have a card reader and full fledged computer on handThis has never happened and never will happen to you or anyone you know or anyone they know.
>>4531868Unpaid brand shills will never admit any flaw in their brand. If your brand has flaws, you have to commit sudoku.
>>4531876Fuji also isn't a professional brand.>>4531877Thats fucking rich coming from the linturd incel that freaks out over apple and microsoft having the ability to scan for CSAM, but happily uses linux "for privacy" unware that his very hardware is so backdoored that five to six intelligence agencies have full access to your entire home network if they so desireNikon cameras are sold to actual professionals, including international journalistsIt is very important the USB port does not allow writing to the memory card. A dedicated small USB device could do shit like this>I went to russia, they plugged a lil USB thing in and wiped both my memory cards>i went to russia, they took my camera, plugged a lil USB thing in and now it's running modified firmware that uses the built in wifi to compromise other devices and phone homeAnd you wouldn't notice because they could pull it off very quickly with sleight of hand. Removing cards however would break your trust.The USB port is read only for a good fucking reason.This does not need explained further.
>>4531875Phones and non-crippled cameras let you enable and disable MTP or mass storage. That is a sexlcurity feature, the rest is cost cutting or other bullshit.
>>4531881>let ivan turn on insecure mode from the non-password protected menu>"im just looking at your photos comrade, making sure no intelligence going to holhol *shifts gloved hand to cover port side*"Or, know, that if he wasn't able to remove the memory cards, its highly unlike he was able to do anything.
>>4531876Yeah man. I kinda regret selling my xt3 and leaving fuji. Still have my lenses though, I will likely come back. I loved not having to edit my photos (other than crops) because of film sims and the good colors.
>>4531884looks like a sony with a chinese lens desu
>>4531885it's a shot wide open on a vintage 50mm f1.2 and has a huge crop
>>4531880>>4531875yeah literally all linux users think about is how they want every possible feature and how law enforcement agencies might catch them with stolen or illegal materialthey don't think of how electronics are used irl or have concerns other than hiding from the law of their home country and personally wanting do trivial things on their computer like use a camera as an mp3 player
>>4531883What actual police will do is stop you separately at passport control and then take time questioning you and going through your stuff.
Why would you want to write to a cameras memory cards from the USB portTheyre right, thats a security flaw and it doesnt have anything to do with using the camera properly
>>4531888>"Actual police"Mate, the NCIS bought Z6IIs. The read only MTP thing isn't for people who have to worry about american customs checking for stolen movies and shit. Nikon has been a camera supplier for gov/LE in the west for a long time. They have a custom Z6III variant with no wireless specifically to add another layer of security.The USB port being MTP, read only was a conscious design decision for customers with more pressing concerns than "can I hide my furry porn on this without buying a sus card reader my mom would ask about?"There are also designated tamper seal placement zones over and under the covers if you know where to look.
>>4531831>what i'm hearing is that nikon and sony are for people who do photography and care about their photos, and lumix and fuji are for people who pose as photographers and like to fingerfuck and look at camerasSony is for people who care about subject tracking autofocus.Lumix is for people who care about everything else.
>>4531891sony is for people who care about megapixels because they cant shoot for shit and have to crop and rotate every single photoas far as autofocus goes canon and nikon already equaled sony a while ago. the sony a1ii actually grabs backgrounds more than the nikon z8.lumix is for freakish geeks who care about maximum software features but dont have time to do any photography between fixing their linux install, watching anime, and browsing weird, dubiously legal porn. that, and maybe <200 video nerds who might actually be attempting real cinema if they are not just frame peeping.
>>4531889>security flawIs everyone here clinically retarded?
>>4531894Is it a security flaw if I could write to your computer just by turning it on and plugging something in?Why wouldn't it be a security flaw if I could do that to your camera?>but it could be a toggleIf that toggle weren't password protected, I could get to it while you thought I was scrolling through your photos.
>>4531896You're writing to the memory card and not the camera retard. Nikon shills are the worst. I guess it takes special kind of retardation to shill for a company that keeps tripping over it's own feet.
>>4531890What I'm saying is you are looking for a wrong attack vector. If Russian KGB wanted to put data on your SD card while having your camera physically in their hands, they will do exactly that - take the card out then put it back in.For actual security you need what phones do - internal storage only and password lock for any access to data.
>>4531898>the only storage medium in the camera>the one that the camera can load firmware from>why its integrity matter?Yeah lets make the camera less secure so you can store porn on itFuck linux users>>4531899If they took the card out, you'd be able to tell. If they had to take the camera out of sight, you'd know not to trust it when you got it back. If they slipped something into the USB port just out of sight, in front of you, if you didn't even know they were a KGB agent, you'd have a problem.This risk is worth some retarded linux user being mad his "four freedoms" are being trampled on because he can't transfer porn to his camera without a card reader.
>>4531899> internal storage only and password lock for any access to data.This is slowly coming to cameras but the need to use them quickly quickly has delayed it significantly
>>4531904Also a storage medium that may be plugged into YOUR computer as a bus device>people should be able to turn my camera on, plug a cable/dongle in, and write whatever data they want to itNo.
>>4531904>schizo postingDo me a favor and do something about those maggots in your schizo brain I'm sure they must itch like a motherfucker. I've heard that guns are pretty good at getting rid of them.
>>4531910You're pretty fucking pissed the camera brand that sells to the feds closed at least one gaping security hole.It's pretty important that nikon doesn't let anyone who can flip the power switch and access the USB port can't write/alter whatever data they want. I'm sorry this made it untenable for you to use your camera as a porn stash but that doesn't fucking matter. It has never been proper use to write to the card in the camera for anything but normal camera functions.
>>4531810Reminder this photo is so bad that if it was taken on a z5ii the user is extremely, extremely bad at using the camera
>>4531799>The ISO dial is retarded. You spin the front wheel (while holding the iso button) to change from auto to manual, and the back wheel to change the actual iso once in manual mode. Retarded, just put it all on one dialYou can change it so you don't have to hold the button in custom menu 'Release button to use dial'.Anyways, I gave up on Nikon when I realized that they don't have a way to display clipped areas before taking the shot, only blinkies in review like cameras had 20 years ago.
>>4531917youre just bad at photography if you need this crutch tbeich
>>4531917>they don't have a way to display clipped areas before taking the shotHilarious. ON MY FOOJI I have a custom mode with Eterna color profile + highlights and shadows set to -2 for an extremely flat and dull looking image that very closely reflects the RAW. I have that custom mode mapped to a button so I can instantly toggle it on and off whenever I want to see how the RAW would look like. I also have live view blinkies and RGB histogram mapped to another custom button so I can quickly toggle it on and off to check my highlights and overall exposure.The more time I spend here reading about other camera brands the more I'm surprised they are still around. It's pretty hard to believe Canikon couldn't figure out something this basic.
>>4531904If you actually left the house you'd know that your belongings leave your sight for a while when you are being searched, even normally at the airport, because they go through a scanner and you are checked with only your clothes on.
>>4531810What do you mean don't cost extra? Good buttons add $1 to the bill of materials.
>>4531914What's wrong with it?
>>4531922No 3d pop.
>>4531919>It's pretty hard to believe Canikon couldn't figure out something this basic.The crazy part is they actually have zebras for video mode and they refuse to ALLOW it to be used with photo mode.
NEW CLEAN CELL!>>4531935>>4531935>>4531935
>>4531917>Anyways, I gave up on Nikon when I realized that they don't have a way to display clipped areas before taking the shotYou can use a custom picture control which changes clipped white to black, shooting RAW because that highlight warning will be saved in the JPEGs. Kinda stupid they don't have something like this built in and users need to use workarounds.https://github.com/horshack-dpreview/NikonPictureControlsDev
>>4531736>Magic Lantern has that crutch if you need it so bad.Only works on DSLRs. May as well use a Pentax to have live view blinkies and to not suffer the embarrassment of being seen carrying a Canon.
>>4531824>nophoto confuses color science with bit depth
>>4531944>color science>rawsonly color bit depth and actual sensor quality are inherent to a camera"color science" is an icc profileif you are stuck on a useless OS that doesnt belong outside of servers, ie: linux or cant afford lightroom or capture one there's no point in you using anything but fujifilm, canon, or nikon because you will never use a proper raw editor anyways and will always have to shoot jpeg
>>4531936HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NEWFAG FAIL
>>4531963Can you point to which posts are mine?
>>4531856>>4531867>>4531868>>4531871>>4531877Who the fuck cares? How can you be so fucking lazy that you can't take a memory card out of a camera without bitching and whining like a pathetic little autistic 3 year old? My camera has a working USB port and I still pull the card because I like using a card reader and it's faster anyways. Grow up.Actually you know what, I hope they make literally EVERY camera ever read-only MTP over USB as an industry standard purely to make you seethe. Even better, I hope they decide that actually, USB in general is just more potential attack surface for no reason when card readers exist, and delete the USB port entirely as an industry standard. And I hope they put a combination lock on the card door too so that you can use it even though you don't need it and then forget the combination, like the moron you are.
>>4532010>How can you be so fucking lazy that you can't take a memory card out of a cameraWhy pay for a card reader if my camera can work as a card reader? MTP and PTP are slow and annoying to use for no good reason. Your camera can be interfaced with over USB in so many different ways being able to mount a memory card with real file system access is not that big of a deal. The only retard here is you. Hell bent on defending your dying brand of choice gobbling up that corporate cock like a good boy.
>>4532023>Just take the card out of the camera>NOOOOOOOO HELP ME LINUX TORVALDS I DON'T WANNA USE A CARD READER
>>4531951>only color bit depth and actual sensor quality are inherent to a camerathat's why all full frame cameras have the same colors right.
