After considering many possibilities, I’ve concluded that communism — at least in the form practiced by the USSR — is deeply flawed and unrealistic. The Soviet model of central planning and state capitalism led to low living standards, mass emigration when borders were open, and a reliance on corruption and shadow economies just to function. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to design an economic system with elements of self-management, especially as advanced technology could make coordination far more efficient. Memes like luxury space communism show that a high-tech, post-scarcity society might make such a model viable. But the USSR’s top-down command system is, in my view, a poor framework to promote for any country.>But it wasn’t real communism>But what about the plan to implement Soviet Democracy and real communismCorrect and it’s stupid.
You're talking about techmocracy, börk
>>514375118National Socialism without the mass murder and War is the optimal system.
>>514375118man i can't believe planned economy doesn't work. what do you mean the individual knows better what's best for him than a central authority, or that the government only wastes money?? -500 social credit score comrade
>>514375251You want to go to your summer house? Maybe for next months fuel tokens
Ideology and adherence to it compartmentalizes your thinking
>>514375251in principle, democratic planning from below, coordinated at higher levels, could work far better than either laissez-faire markets or rigid top-down directives. especially with modern tools.
It was retarded because they basically ran the country like a very inefficient business. The communist elites lived in relative luxury while the masses lived like any wageslave in a poor capitalist country would
>>514375407yes rigid top-down directives always suck. fortunately an example of what i am talking about has been tried in st petersburg russia in 1917 and was hugely successful.
>>514375402laissez-faire only exists in african warlord territories, all of us are already varying degrees of mixed economies. how does>democratic planning from below, coordinated at higher levelsdiffer from a mixed economy?
Militaries and Intelligence agencies do extrajudicial bearings and killings, mass surveillance, drug trafficking, torture, black ops, banned wmds, bio labs etc. Governments dont know most of the shit they get up to. Doesn’t matter what form of governance a country when they aren’t fully privy to what mil duz nor fully control them. Due to this maybe a dictatorship would be best.
>>514375118>Exploring ideologieslet me save you some time since i spent like 10 years NEETing and obsessing over this kind of stuff: Ideology is a meme, period.
No shit. I came to that conclusion and more when I was 10. It's an intelligence test. Anyone who wants communism are sub IQ cunts. No incentives to work, means no one works. Still want communism? Start a commune farm. Tell me how that works out. Or read about all the ones that started and all failed and why. I want the elite to push communism on us, cause I know it will collapse within years. End of their rule.
>>514375118If people were not involved communism would work. But people are flawed and cannot maintain a system with perfect integrity so communism will never work. The only people who advocate for it in the real world are people who want full control over you or have no experience in the world or both.There is no perfect idealogy as everyone has different life experiences. And most people are unable to truly have empathy to understand where other people came from.That is why my idealogy is better than yours and why the world will never know peace.
>>514375118>I’ve concluded that communism — at least in the form practiced by the USSRYou immediately failed at your premise. Communism is a UTOPIA, created by a german writer, Karl Marx , while he was in London, UK. What was in USSR is Socialism. Union of SOCIALIST Republics. People could own apartments, cars and summer homes (dachas).
>>514376058There aren’t none tho that dont work. I know (you) know. And know (you) know why.
>>514375407Yet, all 2 current largest economies, USA and China, are identical, both are PLANNING economies. With lots of Social aspects like free food and free healthcare for the poor. >USA took the social cusions from USSR .The 2nd largest industry in USA is US government. >behind financial / banking industry which is basically fraudulent bank digits in a computer. Even now USA is a top down command and control economy with the largest industry being the Government .>otherwise you have no energy , no nuclear power plants, >no serious research R&D >and no space R&D>because randomly capitalists in a random "market" just can't or won't do the hard R&D that requires billions of $
>>514376058>Anyone who wants communism are sub IQ cunts. No incentives to work,As I said, USSR wasn't communist, Communism is a UTOPIA. USSR was Socialist. You could own apartments, cars and houses.>what is CIA propaganda.
>>514376533It wasn’t a utopia. If you wouldn’t work you got murdered. They didn’t just murder them or disappear them tho as the public would notice and figure it out. So Anyone that wouldn’t work would be falsely claimed to be mentally ill, and be institutionalised. That way there was a plausible reason for the authorities to take the person away. The public wouldn’t be concerned by it. The persons taken away would later be murdered unless they have relatives that visit regularly.
>>514376254>>514376533yes yes most of us know that socialism is supposed to be a mere stepping stone towards communism, where the government simply gives up its power (LOL) and communism can commencein reality it doesnt fucking matter, whether people claim its socialism or communism its still the same centrally planned shit with draconian laws against ideological wrongthink, stop being a pedantic little shit
>>514376718Buddy , The Comunist Manifesto was created in London, UK, by Mi6 british glowniggers.>Publication place: United Kingdomhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto >If you wouldn’t work you got murdered.Lies. However in Capitalism if you don't work you immediately get poor and bankrupt. And here in US you also get bankrupt if you get some type of healthcare issue because healthcare bankrupts people with retarded bills.
We are very much close to being communists. That's this system that parents endless money for businesses. We are very near full take over. Capitisim works, when it's not taken over by parasites. Interest on loans, etc milks us dry. Dollar not pegged means we manipulate the dollar, companies that are considered people, gives them unrealistic rights. When they can't fail. Money unrestricted via people is freedom, it's been hijacked as our chains. It's easy to fix. Replace the stock market with government buying half the company. Done. No more taxing ppl, no more companies going over seas, no more exploiting everyone and everything. That fucking easy. But, they.. won't allow it. Cause they like getting free money and ruling over us
>>514376828NO, it's just bullshit created by globohomo agents, Lenin (agent of Switzerland) , Karl marx (agent of German Royals and british royals) etc. It's all lies and a fake theory that was used as a pretext to overthrow governments in color revolutions .>which they did successfully in 1917 >and then killed 2 mln of russian elites
>>514377118again, in common speech socialism and communism are often used interchangeably because communism is a highly unrealistic utopian ideology. socialism is communism put into practise. the sooner you stop being ideological and accept reality, the better
>>514376828>its still the same centrally planned shit with draconian laws against ideological wrongthinkYeah, run by euro kings. At the end euro globohomo kings who run Western Europe with all those draconian laws >and used to run them as slavery tried to overtake the last few countries that were left and not controlled by their slavery system. At the end we all ended up in a Financial Slavery system which is also very draconian. But essentially is generated by cheap debt and central banks printing enough money so that there's permanent 10% inflation ,which nobody can beat. So everybody except the top 5% gets poorer and poorer and more and more in debt.
>>514375118Study Evolas ideas on traditionalism and society being led by a spiritual elite according to the ancient PIE customs meant to align with what they knew was Gods order.
>>514377229Here you go. You move away from ideology and get back to the same Financial Slavery system run by the oligarchs. >>514377338
>>514376428Pretty sure trillions and years of tax payer money has gone to private contractors and companies who provide services like technology for shit like missiles or advanced AI imagery from satellites, etc.
>>514376988No surprise seeing as here they disappear mentally ill, and they replace them with long term benefit claimants whom they frame as mentally ill and blackmail them into fighting off benefit snd getting a job. If they don’t they get disappeared.
>>514375118shitter fuck off you are literally living in the fucking richest country in Europesuck jeet cocks retard and die in an Eastern European shithole YOU SHIT
>>514377471Pretty sure all the "new shit" we get is declassified DARPA leftovers they use to engineer society.
>>514377592did you know that russia has way more natural resources per capita than norwayi wonder what the economic differences between russia and norway are, since russia isn't exactly known as a rich country for the average citizen
>>514377669Which are all originally designed from private contractors that the government drones would never be able to design with their shit government budgets.
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>>514375118Instead of ones that obviously don't work u find any good stuff?
>>514377731They are in the best universities. They snatch them up young in the filtration system.
>>514377787i believe you have a severe case of reading comprehension saar :DD
>>514377471Pretty sure trillions of $ taxpayer money were stolen, but regardless of that, there's still a very large R&D budget under centrally planned and controlled US economy for R&D , military, technologies etc. >if you had so called "free market" "capitalism" >you would have no nuclear power plants>no space>and even no lithium ion batteries However , capitalists would have more islands and mcmantions and larger yachts.
>>514377830Norway is the damn richest country where you can live a good life and not let your tax money be spent on RUSSIAN SHITTER propaganda and fucking oligarchs build castles on your moneyAnd you say Russia is goodWhy is that?
>>514377825You keep forgetting that there’s PLENTY of private companies that make so much money off of government contracts, it’s makes Soviet Union’s war economy look like a joke.Even Tom Clancy’s books made constant jokes about private sector shitting on the public sector across the board for obvious reasons.
>>514377906>And you say Russia is goodno i didn't you fucking pajeet, i said literally the opposite, learn to read english shitskin :DD
>>514375204It's funny how jews want to destroy wonderful things. You should learn why National Socialism has an indepth history of warfare attached to it. If you're intelligent to enough to understand why, that is.
>>514377836Without private enterprises, the government would have less than 50% of the tech available today thanks to these people.
>>514377936Why the fuck did you even bring it up then? Shitskin
>>514378002Moving the goal posts., where did I say "without private enterprise"? I said, without a centrally planned and controlled economy, yet more trillions of $ would be stolen.>by private enterprises
>>514378025because, visajeet, you were sperging over norway being "the richest country"they aren't, what they are is not economically and culturally retarded. i can see why living in a shithole like india that would make you seethe
>>514377920There are drone factories popping up everywhere. And almost every time a retired government zogbot is involved. Soviet union after de-stalinization was stagnant and declining. The free gulag labor helped a ton lol
>>514375118Theres no difference between late stage capitalism and communism both a system in which a rich statecorp owns everything and you the prole goy own nothing. Its a bourg trick made to speedrun any capitalist nation into a late stage authoritarian one instead of having to wait 500 years or so for capitalism to naturally identically monopolize into a statecorp. The true solution is simply the death of the feds
>>514375118You need to be over 18 to post on this website.
With all of its flaws, the ussr didnt have the hundred of thousands of homeless, millons of students in debt & shitload of people dying of curable diseases we see in amerika you retarded snow orangutan
>>514378231What the fuck are you talking about retard literal millions starved to death and ate their own children in the Gulags you historylet
>>514378279to be fair most spics probably crave a strong and powerful ussr-style central government just so they don't get beheaded when going to the store. they want to starve in the gulags instead
>>514378231It was illegal to be homeless. They packed you in a little concrete box and make you do a repeating braindead job. It was wasteful and corrupt every step of the way.
>>514376988>LiesFunny that you say this and then immediately follow it up with this retarded reddit cope>However in Capitalism if you don't work you immediately get poor and bankrupt.>And here in US you also get bankrupt if you get some type of healthcare issue because healthcare bankrupts people with retarded bills.>>514377063>We are very much close to being communists.No we aren't. Communism requires a completely flat society. Humans are literally not wired for that and never will be unless you start fundamentally altering our very DNA with CRISPR or some shit to remove millions of year old patterns for recognizing and establishing hierarchies. And who knows what exciting side effects tearing that out will cause.
The USSR existed for over 70 years, it educated hundreds of millions of people on strict and pure Marxist-Leninist doctrine. Dozens of universities, thousands of high schools. 3 generations minimum had their entire educational path molded by communist teaching. Moscow State University graduated thousands every year for 60 years in a row (Imma grant them a start in the 30s after the civil war), thats an entire city of graduates that should be absolute experts on communistm, marxist economics, theory and rethoric.And what do we have? >screaming and muting contest deem "debates" whenever a commie tries to argue>complete refusal to elaborate on basic definitions of their own ideology, because it is patent that it contradicts itself at many points>eternal dodging of any responsibility "it was not real communism">followed by tactical owning of the good thing "when good thing happened, it was cuz communism, when bad thing, it was state capitalism". >every single commie intellectual is the personification of the midwit sophist than can only weasel around with words and refuses to take any owning to the regimes and revolutions he/she supports and their consequences (see the Cambodian fiasco)
>>514378231Look up "tuneiadstvo". /pol/ neets wouldn't like that :DDD
>>514378198>Theres no difference between late stage capitalism and communism both a system in which a rich statecorp owns everything and you the prole goy own nothing.This is the issue because of the unlimited money printing system .That creates permanent inflation.Permanent 10% inflation destroys all middle and upper middle class, and concentrates all the money and profits in the top 5% (or top 1%) . It's because private central banks, Fed or European Central Bank, they are the same.
>>514377836>if you had so called "free market" "capitalism">you would have no nuclear power plants>no space>and even no lithium ion batteriesBro did you even see what people were trying to do with radioactive shit post war? It was hilarious. If capitalism was allowed we'd have all sorts of dumb space age things. But its not allowed. The reason the government has to do it is because the government only allows itself to do it.
>>514378669>This is the issue because of the unlimited money printing system .>That creates permanent inflation.>Permanent 10% inflation destroys all middle and upper middle class, and concentrates all the money and profits in the top 5% (or top 1%) .Pic related, permanent 10% inflation in US for 25 years, and before a decade with 8%-9% hidden inflation.>while the bankers lie that it is 2% . 10% permanent inflation cannot be beat by a job. You cannot possibly get enough salary raises to beat it. >you may be able to hop jobs every 2 years to a larger and larger salary in a niche like IT>but this isn't common.
>>514378695to add to your point, people skeptical about the moon landing often bring up the "fact" that we lost the technology and cant go back. no, we (you) still have the technology however it does not pass government red tape. maybe there should be strict regulations for space travel? who knows but regardless its the government that restricts, not the private sector
>>514378931We don't go to the moon anymore because it's expensive as fuck and there's nothing there that can't be done by a rover. Human space travel and colonization of other planets is still a very distant dream.
>>514378695Anon, the capitalist oligarchs blocked all this research , gave $0 for R&D and to the researchers. Capitalists like Rockefellers who own oil monopolies finance fake green movements and fake green lawyers who prevent any possible advancements in nuclear tech. Monopolies is a natural end of all capitalist financial systems, as the company with the most money bankrupts or buys out all competitors and becomes a monopoly or duopoly . >and then they block any possible R&D that may occur in the competing niches>like oil monopolies block nuclear R&D>and like Ford+GM duopoly blocks any real R&D in alternative fuels or alternative car engines.
I hope everyone who glorifies the Oprichnik-Rapist-Degenerate-Satanist Stalinism, and their children, enjoy the full fruits of their labor.
>>514378100But it wasn’t the government using the money to build its own infrastructure, they paid professionals to do it so THEY would expand
>>514376254True & Correct. Real communism was tasted in 1917 Petrograd (St. Petersburg). Soviets (“councils”) of workers and soldiers emerged as grassroots democratic bodies. Delegates were elected directly from workplaces, factories, and military units. They were supposed to be recallable at any time and answerable to the base. This was the form of “soviet democracy.” These soviets coexisted with the Provisional Government, a more conventional parliamentary-style body. This situation is often called dual power. When the Bolsheviks gained majority support in the Petrograd and Moscow Soviets by October, they pushed to transfer “all power to the soviets.”
>>514378139The soviet union was stagnant across the board, the war economy was just the “best” industry which is like calling crap better than shit.
>>514375313Whaaat? USA adopted communismmm?
>>514379415The soviet democracy in Petrograd 1917 was real in the sense that workers and soldiers directly governed themselves through councils. But it was not communism in the Marxist sense, since classes and the state still existed.
>>514379564A form of it, socialism. Its called gradualism.
>>514377906lmao im just exploring
>>514378231you’re right which is why im bringing it up.
>>514375118Governments should never have been allowed to control the private sector and should have been left in the hands of the collective masses. That just created another tier of tyranny by replacing the old system. >>514375204That's called mixed economy same thing as China.
