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How did the big bang happen?
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>>514526129
We don't know.
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>>514526129
I will never understand how shit can just appear out of nowhere
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>>514526129
Big Bang was a kabballa concept
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>>514526129
God let a woman drive
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>>514526169
damn, I thought I was finally going to find the answer
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>>514526129
God got Gabriel to pull his finger.
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>>514526129
Who knows. Why?
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>>514526129
God had explosive diarrhea
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The Big Bang is a nonesense theory.
Basically we observed this thing called redshift, we extrapolated backwards, and assumed everything must have expanded infinitely in all directions from a singular point.

But consider everything else we don't know. We don't know why galaxies rotate the way they do, in order to explain it we invented a cockamamie idea called "Dark matter" which is positioned perfectly around the galaxies to explain their rotation. We don't know why the universal expansion seems to be "accelerating".

There's a lot we don't understand, yet we keep using Newtonian physics of metal balls suspended in a laboratory to explain the entire universe trillions of lightyears across.
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>>514526129
Nobody knows
Also, no one knows if this theory even holds, it’s just the best guess
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>>514526129
implosion of the last reality
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>>514526382
Could we be in a simulation?
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>>514526451
my favourite chinese cartoons confirm this theory
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>>514526129
if a scientist observed a car going 60mph on the highway they would assume that the car has always been going this fast and 24 hours ago the car was 1,440 miles away from this point
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>>514526129
There was nothing, and then the nothing just exploded.
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>>514526129
Latest hot theory is we're in a black hole, with most galaxies rotating clockwise because angular momentum is conserved when matter enters a black hole.
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>>514526501
its not theory
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>>514526129
It didn't happen
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I farted.

My bad.
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>>514526582
well what happened
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>>514526467
Sure could be. But let's assume physics is in effect.
There's just a shitton we don't know/don't understand, so making such a bold prediction is kind of nonsense, right? If you don't understand half the shit you see, why are you making such wild and bold predictions like that? Like, do you really think they know what the universe looked like 1 picosecond into its growth, or whatever? Sounds like some nonsense to me. I don't know everything, but I do know that you don't know that.
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>>514526129
>how did it happen
from thought
>why did it happen
god got lonely
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>>514526245
its not more confusing than something existing forever
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>>514526129
>How the big bang happen?
A bang..... that was ........big............. N shit.
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>>514526129
FAKE! Yahweh created the world 4000 years ago damn retard.
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>>514526129
Even the big bang couldn't escape inflation. It's fucking everywhere man.
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>>514526129
Imagine space time is a gigantic nasal cavity. And then imagine 99% of the matter is in the form of one long finger and the other 1% you can feel in your nostril, like a booger. Your finger goes into your nostril as far as it can go, until you can get your fingernail over the leading edge of the dried up booger
And then, very carefully, you lever the edge up and away from your nostril, and you can feel it dislodging. And you detach it very carefully, slowly, feeling it dislodge deeper and deeper in the depths of your nostril
And then eventually you feel it come loose and you drag it along the inside of your nostril and you can feel something coming with it. Then finally, triumphantly, you get the booger out and there's this perfect globule of liquid snot on the end of your unbroken booger.
That's the Big Bang*

*it isn't really, I just wanted to describe what if feels like to satisfyingly pick your nose
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>>514526790
TRUE! and he planted all those billion year old dinosaur bones on purpose to test our faith.
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>>514526129
Some jews in hollywood funded a shitty sitcom
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>>514526129
God sharted
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>>514526129
The big bang is platos cave, that's why they teach it.
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>>514526833
Dinosaur bones are indeed planted and fake, Ever wonder why they only started to find them in the 1800s and early 1900s? because they needed something to destroy Mankind's faith in Rebbe Yeshua.
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>>514526129
It hasn't happened yet. You will feel a big bang when Jesus Christ returns. The book of Revelation guarantees a big bang will finally occur.
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>>514526245
It didnt appear out of nowhere, it was always there in a hot state. It just cooled for some reason that nobody can explain. Who knows maybe there are other universe bubbles out there
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>>514526832
Thank you
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>>514526129
The Big Bang is simply the event where God separated the light from the darkness. The entire “scientific” community’s idea of there was absolute nothing, then suddenly all the ingredients came together and “banged” into existence. Ok. If there was absolute nothingness, then where did those ingredients come from? Exactly. Checkmate. It’s ludicrous beyond comprehension
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>>514526950
True! Science itself is denial of Yeshua. It's a machination of evil.
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>>514526984
Does the prime material exist eternally or does it come from nowhere?

Either answer is hard to explain.
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>>514527018
It's science mate, you can't doubt it.
Science deals with the truth and nothing else. If science says it's like that it's because it is indeed like that.
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>>514526129
god microwaved the entire universe because jewish elves were attempting to backstab him
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>>514526790
YHVH created mankind on the 6th day and Adam ~6000 years ago on the 8th day. The Bible states that a day with the Lord is 1000 years there fire there is a 2000 year difference between the primitive, non-White humanoids and the White Adamic race. The earth is indeed billions of years old because it was created in the age before creation. Shortly before Lucifer’s fall, this ending that earth age where we were all in spirit form. We weren’t flesh during the dinosaur time.
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>>514527138
The deeper you study science, the more proof that there is a creator.
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>>514527174
*that there was
Damn phone
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>>514526129
>How did the big bang happen?
it didnt. the test of scientific theory is the correspondence of predictions and observation, and the Big Bang has flunked.
It predicts that there should be no objects in the universe older than twenty billion years and larger than 150 million light-years across.
There are.
It predicts that the universe, on such a large scale, should be smooth and homogeneous.
The universe isn't.
The theory predicts that, to produce the galaxies we see around us from the tiny fluctuations evident in the microwave background, there must be a hundred times as much dark matter as visible matter.
There's no evidence that there's any dark matter at all.
And if there is no dark matter, the theory predicts, no galaxies will form.
Yet there they are, scattered across the sky. We live in one.
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>>514526382
Big Bang theory is where you end up with available data. The only way to prove BB theory wrong is to find objects before the Big Bang, maybe new telescopes will find them.
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>>514526950
>>514527061
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>>514526779
/thread
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>>514526169
I do, I'm just not gonna say
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>>514527284
Dozens of new papers on the Big Bang are published every month, but less than a handful question its basic validity. With so many scientists assuming that it's right, abandoning it is not that easy.
It's a question of taste as to when you jump ship and go off into the unknown.
Historically, few theories in science have been abandoned without a clear alternative in sight.
For decades, there has been no evident alternative cosmology.
Now there is one: plasma cosmology.

It begins from the known fact that over 99 percent of the matter in the universe is plasma - hot, electrically conducting gases.
(In ordinary gases, electrons are bound to an atom and cannot move easily, but in a plasma the electrons are stripped off by intense heat, allowing them to flow freely.)
Extrapolating from the behavior of such plasma in the laboratory, plasma cosmologists envision a universe crisscrossed by vast electrical currents and powerful magnetic fields, ordered by the cosmic counterpoint of electromagnetism and gravity.

The phenomena that the Big Bang seeks to explain with a mysterious ancient cataclysm, plasma theories attribute to electrical and magnetic processes occurring in the universe today.
These are similar in kind, if not magnitude, to processes seen in the laboratory and used in such mundane technology as neon lights and microwave ovens.
Instead of working forward from a theoretically conceived beginning of time, plasma cosmology works backward from the present universe, and outward from the earth.
It arrives at a universe without a Big Bang, without any beginning at all, a universe that has always existed, is always evolving, and will always evolve, with no limits of any sort.
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>>514526129
All space theories are designed to make you feel insignificant. It's by design to pull you away from God. Evolution is the same. Being built by God and in his image is something they don't want to you feel.
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>>514527295
we already have, look above your post
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>>514527339
We live in a universe of plasma. And a universe of plasma differs significantly from what might be called Newtons Universe, a universe of stars and solid masses acted upon and controlled only by gravity.
The presently accepted “gravity only” universe is one whereby all matter was created in a single instant and reacts only to gravity under the modifying ideas of general relativity.

A plasma universe and a gravitational universe have gross observational differences.
A plasma universe should be filamentary, stringy, at all size scales (in the atmospheres of planets, in the Sun’s corona, in groups of stars, in galaxies and in strings of galaxy clusters).
It should be energetic, a source of electromagnetic radiation over the entire electromagnetic spectrum, and it should be endless in space.
The gravitational universe the “big bang” universe is supposed to have produced all the elements originally, should now be quiescent in the absence of mass collisions, and should be increasingly smooth on the large scale.
The filamentation, chaos, and radio-frequency radiation that we now observe were not expected in the original big bang model.
Another difference is that a universe of plasma in chaotic motion tends to produce cells of plasma of different voltage, temperature, density, and chemical properties, just as is observed in the laboratory. It is the relative motion of these cells that generates both electric currents and charge separation when the cells drive through each other.
These electric currents produce magnetic fields.
Charge separation causes electric fields to exist.
So, filamentation, chaos, electric and magnetic fields, intense charged particle beams, broadband radiation from extremely low frequencies to gamma rays, and an overall cellular structure were the predictions of a plasma universe, as developed at the end of the Nineteenth Century.
Unfortunately we had to wait about one hundred years for all this to be verified.
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>>514526129
Nobody has the slightest idea what this shit is
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>>514527339
Dozens of jew* papers
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It's just a theory
as in made up retarded shit
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>>514527411
Jews hate the Big Bang Theory.
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>>514527295
>Big Bang theory is where you end up with available data
You don't have all the data. You don't even have a portion of the data. You're like a man who was dropped into a random room. You have no light source, your ears are muffled. You have no idea what the room looks like.
Yet based on a faint thump you heard, you conclude you're in the attic of a 14th century *french* mansion, likely located in Strasbourg.

You see how ridiculous that conclusion would be? It's nonsense. They don't know shit, and yet these people get grant money to study this, and draw out conclusions as far back as the universe's birth. We can't know anything to that level of precision, what's the deal with this?
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>>514526129
why do these retards make their visual aid look like a trombone horn instead of a sphere like how it would be according to their explanation?
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>>514527411
yes
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>>514526579
If the observable universe is inside some sort of higher dimensional black hole, perhaps the one direction nature of time is in effect like the one direction of space takes in a more familiar stellar mass black hole.
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>>514526129
Who cares?
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>>514526129
>How did the big bang happen?
God turned on his PC, ran universe.exe
Simple as
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>>514526129
God literally farted out the universe retard. In the diagram the beginning of the tunnel thingy is God's asshole.
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>>514526129
fiat lux
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>>514527295
Thermodynamics. Energy cannot be created, only transformed. Literally one of the foundations of physics is directly in contradiction with big bang theory.
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>>514526129
It didn't happen at all.
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>>514526833
I think you were put here to test my faith, dude
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>>514526129
We can all agree that consciousness exists and that it evolves by orders of magnitude. We are much more complex than a single called organism. What's the next step for us? We are still evolving and merging with technology. Eventually a great enough consciousness will exist that can transcend time and create itself. This scenario exists because it's the only thing that can exist, we perceive it because the scenarios where it doesn't happen can't be perceived.
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Big bang theorists:
>98% of the universe is unseeable, unmeasurable "dark matter"
>we have no idea what it is, or how it interacts with anything
>we literally have no fucking idea what we're doing

Also big bang theorists:
>btw we can chart exactly how the universe expanded from the big bang, which is something we made up
>exactly, down the piicosecond after detonation, we can chart it out
>despite 98% of the universe being made out of something we have no idea what it is, how it interacts, or how it's created, or anything

Big bang theorists:
>we want more grant money
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>>514526467
Not that kind of simulation where the laws of physics are an XML file in notepad++ with funny variables you can tweak midgame.
It's a simulation in the sense that society is simulated. Everything that isn't hard matter is just an idea, and ideas are simulated, because we're taught simulations in school and shown simulations on TV.
"Thou shan't kill" sounds through everyone's mind because it's part of a ruleset that's one element in the greater simulation.
But molecules? Atoms? Those are not simulations.
The geniuses who rape kids and give women political power over men, they don't know what they're talking about. They will never be good enough to learn.
It's telling that good white people invented binary logic and a bunch of Jews then tried to fit the entire universe inside of that. They can't conceptualise good, so they try to contort and pervert everything into fitting their limited evil understandings, most of which are faulty.
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>>514527090
The explanation for it is quantum fluctuations occurred resulting in the hot dense boiling point before expansion
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>>514527339
If the Universe is eternal, even the most improbable events have already happened. That counts the Big Bang and the ultimate end of the world
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>>514526129
The theory goes back to about 10-32 seconds, at which point the universe was already expanding. So the theory doesn't go into any sort of pre-expansion state of the universe
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>>514526129
it didn't happen, we can "see" 13.7 billion lightyears but no faggot has ever disproven the idea that there could be a 1 billion light year gap and then more universe.... it would disprove big bang theory
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>>514527808

Big pope theorists:
>go die in the middle east
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>>514527932
The theory is primarily motivated by atheist thinkers who were desperate for a non-religious explanation for the beginning of the universe. Unironically, that's where it comes from. The theory itself is completely ridiculous, just extrapolating redshift back forever while not even having a basic grasp on anything going on at the cosmic scale.

All of this mindpower, effort, and time is spent fleshing out a garbage, bogus theory that will 100% be proven false someday, just to stick one over on the religious people
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>>514527733
RIP to a legend
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It didn't.

One singular focal point as the origin of everything is retarded.
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>>514526129
Imagine caring about some dumb explosion when there's free real estate throughout the universe.
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>>514526129
God farted
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>>514527921
>even the most improbable events have already happened
thats not how it works
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>>514526129
That was when God used his omnipotent powers to give your mom the best fuck she's ever had
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>>514526129

Easy... it didn't
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>>514526129
>universe is full of gas
>the universe expands
>universe if full of planets, stars and black holes
>the universe starts to retract

You' ll soon find out.
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>>514526129
omnipotent god jehowah exploded himself for the sake of humanity to absolve them from all sins creating the universe in the result.
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>>514526129
The Big Bang Theory is a sitcom that follows the lives of socially awkward physicists Leonard and Sheldon, along with their friends, as they navigate relationships and everyday challenges. It premiered in 2007 and became popular for its humor and character dynamics, running for 12 seasons until 2019.
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Ok so how are you able to know with absolute accuracy what the universe looked like 1 picosecond after exploding.....and you don't know what 98% of the mass in the universe even IS? It's "dark matter", you don't know what that is, or how it's created, or anything like that. You don't know what "dark energy" really is, either. Yet somehow you know with exact certainty what the universe looked like after 1 picosecond into its life.


It's kind of like looking at a bird's feather, and then claiming you know the exact treebranch the bird was born on
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>>514527914
So the quantum field (that fluctuations occur in) exists eternally?
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>>514526129
It didnt, its a christian theory masquerading as science
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>>514526129
It didn't/
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>>514526129
the universe flaggerbasts me
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>>514528605
Our perception of "eternity" which doesn't say much since no one has experienced "eternity"

So the answer is that no one truly knows
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The universe collapsed and then exploded, starting anew.
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>>514526245
Big bang doesn't mean ex nihilo ie out of nothing. It means the exapansion of an existing energy.
The concept was the thought product of a catholic monk or priest, don't remember exactly.
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>>514527733
>>514527314
I'm trolling you cunts. Also RIP to Bill Hicks, one of the greatest comedians of all time.
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>>514527733
AH YEAH FUCK THATS WHERE I GOT IT FROM
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>>514526534
Not quite. First, there was everything inside of nothing and then nothing exploded to release everything. Initially, everything wanted to get away from everything else and moved apart at fantastic speed but the everything started to get lonely and condensed back into big fren groups called galaxies, and then into smaller fren groups called solar systems.
Now though, big frens have the ick and are moving away from each other but, luckily, there are obese nigger frens trying to eat everything and keep frens together. Nigger frens are lazy though and eventually everything will be too far apart znd will forget anything else ever existed.
At that point, nothing will explode and new frens will be made
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>>514526129
It was invented by a homosexual who was also a Jesuit priest. Trust the science.
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>>514526129
It didnt, there is no proof at all of a big bang or any of the bullshit astronomists try to claim. The big bang was God creating our world and us. We could be just a terrarium sitting on Gods desk.
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>>514528077
>The theory is primarily motivated by atheist thinkers who were desperate for a non-religious explanation for the beginning of the universe.
How ironic!
Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître ( 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian Catholic PRIEST, theoretical physicist, and mathematician who made major contributions to cosmology and astrophysics.He was the first to argue that the recession of galaxies is evidence of an expanding universe and to connect the observational Hubble–Lemaître law with the solution to the Einstein field equations in the general theory of relativity for a homogenous and isotropic universe. That work led Lemaître to propose what he called the "hypothesis of the primeval atom", now regarded as the first formulation of the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe
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>>514526248
Yes, perfection could not interface with imperfection and it broke off into this fallen world. They created different ladders down to this one to rescue the fallen shards.
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>>514529796
the cmb is proof
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>>514527090
>Does the prime material exist eternally or does it come from nowhere?
>Either answer is hard to explain.

The problem cosmology has right now is that we don't know what the fuck dark matter and dark energy is. We just know it's there because they influence the matter that we can see. I'm of the opinion that as soon as we figure out what this stuff is, it will at least bring us closer to the answer of what caused the Big Bang.
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>>514526757
Not really
>It was always there
makes more sense than
>There was nothing and then it was there
at least in my mind
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>>514526129
Its the moment gods consciousness split into two. The substance and the substrate. Its right there in Genesis and the Eden story. Science has been chasing what's been encoded in myth for millenia. They're too proud to acknowledge God tho.
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>>514528216
If event probability is > 0 and time -> infinite ?
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>>514526129
>How did the big bang happen?
A massive amount of mass and energy accumulates in another dimension. We call it a blackhole for now. It becomes so massive it collapses in on itself. However since matter is neither created or destroyed; it has to go somewhere. A "hole" is torn in the fabric of that dimension, and "explodes" this creates a parallel dimension, or a new reality depending on how you perceive it. A wormhole would be another term to explain it I guess. Repeat ad infinitum.
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>>514526129
Like so
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>>514526129
It's a secret to everyone
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>>514526245
The evidence actually doesn't show it came from nothing just that the universe in the past was very compact and hot
There some interesting theories about space geometry having relative scales
So, Instead of thinking about it like an explosion think of it like a balloon expanding but its relative scale never changes
So in essence the relative scale of the universe hasn’t changed but space time has grown exponentially which has caused the universe to cool and evolve
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>>514526501
The universe arose from a singularity and so therefore it stands to reason that the universe arose from a black hole
Perhaps after a long enough time some mechanism causes the singularity to expand thus creating a universe
The question is it self contained or is space time congruent
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>>514526129
My philosophy about it is that God took a little bit of his energy e, and told it to become a certain of matter mc2. At the same point of the singularity, we know space and time of this universe came into being as well.
>tl;dr
So, all the matter, all the energy, all the space, and all the time were all spoken into being by God. Transcendent origin, by definition.
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>>514526129
Vegeta powered up
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>>514526129
It hasn't yet
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>>514526129
"big bang" theory was invented by the catholics
to try and reconcile the jewish claim that the creation took place 6000 years ago.
while science shows that the earth is billions of years old
rather that calling the jews out as habitual liars, the catholics came up with the "big bang" concept that billions of years took place in a few seconds.

There was no bang, the universe has been steadily growing since the beginning, and all evidence supports this.

Modern jews are not related to the Ancient Hebrews. Saying "Kind David was my daddy" doesn't erase 10,000 years
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>>514526245
ἐγὼ τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ Ὦ, ὁ πρῶτος καὶ ὁ ἔσχατος, ἡ ἀρχὴ καὶ τὸ τέλος.
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>>514526382
You forgot we can directly observe the residual heat of the early moments of the universe by looking far enough. The size and composition of oldest stars corresponds with simulations based on the big bang theory. There are very few alternative explanations for it.
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>>514526129
There was a big foreplay.
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>>514526129
May not be fair to say it happened, because time and space didn't really exist yet, so how would you measure something happening (nothing ever does)? How do you time the time that starts time?
>it starts at zero!
>and in the center
That does appear logical but what was going on with it before? Meaning it was both infinite and nonexistent. Presumably it followed its own pre-time and pre-space rules.
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>>514536040
Not exactly. We can infer the supposed age of things, and the CMB is the oldest thing, but this is based on redshift and the expansion of space, the latter which isn't really understood, so it's really just a poorly educated guess, and there's the issue with our galactic horizon (we can't see all of space because light is way too slow).
It could probably be an artifact of other processes we have no clue about at all, at the current time.
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>>514526129
>How did the big bang happen?
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>>514536040
>You forgot we can directly observe the residual heat
"you forgot"
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Can't even say for sure whether it was creation or decay.
Big Bang may have been literally God who an-heroed and then basically everything exploded into an unstable cloud of trash.
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>>514526129
>How did the big bang happen?
Freemason Science, duh.
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>>514526252
or a jeet made an illegal U-turn
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>>514537284
It ran out of neutrons and began importing protons, with fatal consequences.
Their miscegenated atomic offspring tore down the place.
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>>514527339
Thx for sharing anon ima read bout plasma
In any case

>the big bang
>In the Beginning, God created the Heavens & the Earth
Corporate needs you to find the differences between these pictures
>they're the same picture
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>>514526129
Btw, big bangers, this is the first big bang ever in total existence. Amirite, fellow big bangers?
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>>514526467
It's pretty obvious that we are in one.
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>>514526245
Jewish magic.
Like, you know, quantum physics. can exist and not exist. Supreme pilpul.
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>>514537564
And here is this fag.
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>>514526129
God fucked an alien prostitute, the universe is his cum going everywhere.
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>>514526129
And who said it happened? I hate normie fags so much. Big bang is a THEORY, not a fact. Same as that all people came from Africa is a THEORY, not a fact. It's just some scientists making up theories how something happened based on limited knowledge and that's it.
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>>514526129
Black hole reached critical mass resulting in the creation of a subatomic chain reaction explosion. Happens all the time, we just can't see the other ones because they're beyond our event horizon.
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we will never know and if you believe anyone saying they know you are an idiot. you really think some made up human numbers known as maths and physics can tell you how this weird thing that we exist in that apparently goes on forever but at some point didn't even exist works? as a new yorker would say while you are trying to get him to buy a $5 hotdog on the street from a pajeet or spic "get tha fuck outta ere"
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>>514526129
>God, or the Source, or the All whatever you want to call it existed in complete totality - no movement, no exchange, just wholeness
>One day, he splits himself into 2. A duality, something to exist against. The creation of basic forces. (2nd dimension)
>Then, he splits himself into 3. A trinity, enough complexity for a personhood, for self awareness.(3rd dimension)
>Then, he splits himself into 4. A quadrant, real space, room to create.(Our world, 4th dimension)
>Every element and basic force in this physicality is derived from these 4 dimensions weaving themselves into an increasingly complicated pattern
>(He goes onto split himself into 5, 6, 7, on and on, but these are forms of reality most if us cannot percieve)
>'Creation' from God's perspective is just bringing the Void into action by way of vibration - the 'Big Bang' is just activated zones of Void, some close, others far from the Source
>All this exists because God was far too vast to 'experience' itself in its totality, so he had to 'split himself up' into all these little pieces for them to have expwriwnce and actual meaning
This was revealed to me in a dream
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Now this looks kinda fishy, like a flame.
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>>514537688
Kill yourself for not understanding what theory means stupid nigger.
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The first neutron and proton met and it resulted in this fart gas explosion, Bunsen burner flame thing.
That's how the universe was created.
>BRAAAP
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>>514527321
based knower
fuck these plebs
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Originally the Big Bang was segregated, you see.
But (((certain forces))), sometimes referred to as entropy or the bane of all existence, strove to end this separation and encouraged mixing.
This then resulted in God dying and the entirety of being being destroyed (being).
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>>514538207
>AAAAAAAAAAA IM GONNA RIP MYSELF IN HALF AAAAAAAA
>FUCK MONADLET GET FUCKED AAAAAAAAAAAA IM DAULIZING AAAAAAA
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>>514526245
It didnt, the big bang is the moment the singularity expanded but we have no idea if the singularity always existed
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>>514526245
Conversely, how can true nothingness exist?
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>>514526129
It didn't lol
How retarded you need to be to believe that nonsense?
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>>514538207
The main issue is God splitting in two, which basically cannot occur. God had no counter force or anything like that, and it makes no real sense either.
>the dark void predated God
Maybe? At least they're the same age, making me realise he doesn't need to split. He instantly becomes a "duality" simply by existing in contrast to nothingness.
Literal nothing would be his counter force, while he is everything.
>le deep theology
I made it up.
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>>514526129
God trusted a fart.
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I don't think the big bang is the absolute beginning of anything. The universe could be cyclical with expansion and collapse. The big bang could also just be a big bang within this universe.

Wouldn't it be interesting if dark matter was the "shadow" of matter? An emittance of it, metadata of matter? It would explain why there would be so much of it with matter producing it constantly. If that was the case and you could analyse and process the dark matter, you could in theory see in the past. You could see the Roman empire as it was or gain the schematics of a UFO.
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>>514539151
No.
For once something that can be answered easily.
Of course there "is" true nothingness, an absolute vacuum, far enough from the Big Bang. Problem:
>there's not even space there
>nothing can even move near there as it would become polluted with materia and space
Existence is like a disease.
>it doesn't exist in any way because it's nothing
So while it's real in principle it's basically an abstract concept
>non-space
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>>514539447
Your mom was my big bang. She's a hefty fella.
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>>514528453
>exploding
what?
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>>514539151
Even in a vacuum, there is an underlining fabric of reality, and distortions in that fabric is what creates the observable particles of our universe. It's also why particles sometimes can just pop in and out of reality.
A big bang repeat something on the order of every 10^500 years.
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>>514539627
Okay Atreyu
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The tadpole galaxy collided into your mom's supermassive black hole.
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>>514526245
>I will never understand how shit can just appear out of nowhere

Split the number zero in half. Now you've got +1 and its mirror version -1. POOF!
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>>514539627
I should have added "goyim are cattle according to the Talmud".
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>>514527090
Or maybe we're in a small bubble of a much larger thing. At the end of the day, nobody knows because it's impossible to know with our technology and maybe ever.
>>514527914
There was never a boiling point singularity like le heckin scientists like to babble about. The universe was just as big as it is now, just in a much denser, energy filled state. Then something made it cool down and that's where the universe as we know it starts. Nobody knows what happened or what prompted the cooling because we cannot see what it was when it was in its hot state.
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>>514526129
First law of the universe; motion.

Some universal entity moved and poof, here we are. That's all we can be certain of. Anything beyond that is speculation.
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>>514526129
From the Cosmic Egg that exploded, thus Chaos emerged.
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JWST is discovering that there are more star systems outside of our universe, therefore we are just one 'bubble' inside of other bubbles (No not like a superhero multiverse)

The problem many of you are having is that you think time is a constant, moving in one direction, at one speed. Time has variables, pockets, ripples. We live in a fractal reality, and time extends in waves. As the universe expands entropy cools the universe causes time to compress or expand.

Now for the religious, lets talk about 'HOW CAN GOD EXIST BEFORE THE BEGINNING'. Well maybe God hasn't been born yet from our perspective, will emerge and then go to the beginning of time to ensure his own creation. God exists OUTSIDE of space/time in a dimension where there is no time, existence there is eternal. In the garden of creation (time and space) things can grow, flourish but die. God came down himself to see creation and was disturbed by us, became enraged, lashed out and then...felt bad. Regrets his actions. Apologizes with a covenant with man! He promises never to come back until the end and from here only sends messengers. In Heaven God can see all, but here he is subject to the laws of nature and linear time. I dont think God holds our hands our whole life, but I think there is an end goal, many things can happen as long as the end goal is achieved.

In some circles this is called The God Box (the period between when God does not exist yet) and Roko's Basilisk (A tech thought experiment by which a powerful intelligence can punish anyone who may be an obstacle for its own creation or copy into the system) What if someone built a machine with godlike abilities, it sends messages back into the past to make sure it is created faster/more efficiently/to what it wants. Now that it is born it is truly a God and can reshape reality as it wishes.
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>>514539835
>Even in a vacuum
Rather what you wanted to say is "vacuum doesn't exist in space". There's always some shit flying around, and if there isn't you can't be there and it's not even space.
I'm irked by people calling space a vacuum. It's cold and empty, yes, but cannot be 100% empty without severely harming your health.
But this does make me wonder about the nature of black holes. They may break space the opposite way a vacuum does, so it could be interesting inside.
Unfortunately that also results in death.
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>>514526129
I can explain it to you, be you are too stupid to grasp it.
there are natural mechanisms that did it
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>>514540199
>JWST is discovering that there are more star systems outside of our universe
You can't honestly be this retarded, right?
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>>514540199
How are they discovering things outside of our known universe? Are you thinking our galaxy?
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>>514526129
>Universe expanded 46B Ly in 14B y although speeds faster than light aren't possible
More bullshit apparently
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>>514540331
I really dislike when people insult you instead of say what you mean. Just correct me, asshole. You cant be too fucking stupid to do that, can you?

They took photos of red shifted stars that may predate the big bang. This leads to the supposition that the universe didn't originate there, it is a massive explosion. The reason this is a big deal is because it means that the background radiation we have always seen as evidence of the big bang could have been caused by these older systems. If I am wrong you can just say so without being a prick. Otherwise I will just dismiss you so who is that helping.
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>>514540199
It's a bit of a larp but would at least explain why god doesn't do anything tangible.
>he can't interact with space-time because he isn't it
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>>514526129
A pack of niggers fucked your mom.
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>>514539897
0/2=0 retard
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>>514540502
The universe expanding doesn't mean what you think it means.
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>>514540504
>They took photos of red shifted stars that may predate the big bang
They did not, and I challenge you to find any primary source that states they did
JWST found several galaxies that, by our current models, are too large to have been formed so soon after the Big Bang
That does not mean they predate the Big Bang, and they certainly do not exist "outside the universe"

You clearly either cannot read, or you cannot comprehend what you read
I reassert my statement that you are a complete fucking retard, and furthermore am astonished that you have enough brain cells to solve the captcha
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>>514540504
The issue with redshift is simply that space appears to expand in an inconsistent way.
Most likely most of the universe cannot be seen by us because of the cosmic event horizon (misnomer), and anything beyond this would be redshifted to impossible degrees, so it's not that remarkable. There's a ton of stuff appearing older than it is - except for the most part we can't see it.
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>>514540486
By universe I mean known universe caused by the big bang. I am saying it is a structure (a bubble) inside of a larger structure. Its very early, its not hard science they literally just took some photos of stars they didnt expect to be there. So you are right, it wouldnt be other universes, just that the universe is much bigger than we thought and the big bang is just one bubble.
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>>514540502
You ever consider that what you think is bullshit is you not understanding what is happening here. Here, I'll explain.

The inflation of space happens at every point in the universe, including inside of us all. The only reason we don't fly apart is because mass has gravity which keeps things together. This multiplication of inflation at this point in time means that the number is bigger than the speed of light, and it is why the expansion of the universe is speeding up, leading to the theory of The Big Rip, where inflation multiplies so fast that the gravity of matter no longer is able to bind it together anymore, resulting in the ripping of reality.

Do you get it now?
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>>514539033
Fuckin lmao

But the interesting thing is that the passage of time only exists in lower physicalities as the transition from one state to another. Both abd all versions of God still exist because each second is more like a physical location or state of being that we traverse - in reality the birth and death of the universe was created at the same time, it's all simultaneous.

>>514539402
>The main issue is God splitting in two, which basically cannot occur. God had no counter force or anything like that, and it makes no real sense either.
It's more like he gave himself two hemispheres to work with, which allowed movement of energy from one place to another. It's like going from a stagnant pool to two basins with a current. From my understanding he's his own Ying to his Yang, or whatever. I'm of the belief that most of what exists in 'this universe' it are self contained within God, like a dreamstate

>He instantly becomes a "duality" simply by existing in contrast to nothingness.
It's entirely possible that the Void didn't exist (even in its nothingness) until God was self aware enough to observe it. And I mean who knows, God could be the last spark left from something very very ancient, the Void as mysterious and elusive as the God we're discussing now. All to say, I don't know.

I will tell you one thing, that dream I had - I saw that some demons and countless numbers of horrible things were actually the God's light refracting back to us, distorted from the depths of the Void. Whatever it is, I don't think it's empty.
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>>514540199
>Time has variables, pockets, ripples.
Of course you have evidence for it
Start with the definition of time, is it an EM wave, matter, what is it ?
EM waves are made of photons, matter is made of atoms.
What is the building block of time ?
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>>514540651
Not really. The issue is finding a zero you can divide, and quantum processes do this routinely.
You can divide a zero into a -1 and a +1 , in a manner of speaking.
>but that's addition!
Doesn't really matter with/2 or maybe at all. May have to ask a real mathematician.
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>>514526129
I farted. It was the shittiest idea, my bad.
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>>514540745
You see how this person makes a rational statement? Provides helpful information?
>>514540826

Try that. Literally all I said was they took some pictures of stars they didnt expect. So you're over there rage typing like a fucking psychopath. Log off.
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>>514540651
Zero is still something you muppet. It's a representation of uniformity. Split it down the middle and you've got disparity of matter (+) and anti-matter (-). These are your particles that come in and out of existence.
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>>514541072
>Literally all I said was they took some pictures of stars they didnt expect
Here's what you actually posted

>JWST is discovering that there are more star systems outside of our universe
"Outside of our universe" is literally ludicrous and meaningless, as everything exists inside the universe
>Time has variables, pockets, ripples
Meaningless retardation drivel
>They took photos of red shifted stars that may predate the big bang
They did not, and you still refuse to support that claim

But I'm done feeding the troll
Go get raped by a cactus
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>>514540981
Actually no, I think most of the expansion happens outside gravitationally bound systems, since those are metastable and keep themselves in shape, but I don't recall exactly. It's not simply every cubic inch growing larger everywhere at once.
Everything keeps functioning normally as before, just big structures separating from each other.
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>>514540981
>Speeds faster than light are impossible except they are possible
>Do you get it now
Do you
>theory of The Big Rip
Theory or hypothesis ? How did the Big Rip hypothesis become a theory ? Did they make a prediction that came true, replicated it in a lab or what ?
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>>514541022
I dunno, go ask Michiu Kaku.


“In Einstein's equation, time is a river. It speeds up, meanders, and slows down. The new wrinkle is it can have whirlpools and fork into two rivers. So, if the river of time can be bent into a pretzel, create whirlpools and fork into two rivers, then time travel cannot be ruled out.”

Maybe Im wrong. Maybe Im a piece of shit I guess I should go try to scrawl my name in feces. I am not going to sit here and write a book report when the hilarious fact is that we constantly have to rewrite the science because this shit doesn't make sense. Time is variable and we know this because of fucking relativity. Im the stupid one?

Go find a physicist, I am not a smart person I just put pieces together, but these fucking posts about 'I dont get how God can exist before the beginning' is some real dumb fuck shit.
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>>514541042
>The issue is finding a zero
You can't find it because it doesn't exist, dumbass
>1-1 is 0
>0+1 is 1
Duh. Where did the 1 come from is the question.
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>>514541352
>It's not simply every cubic inch growing larger everywhere at once
But it is, at least that's the theory right now when Edwin Hubble discovered the red-shift of distance galaxies almost a century ago. It's still just a theory, but the strongest theory to date, either the big freeze or the big rip.
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>>514541288
>Zero is still something you muppet.
It's literally nothing
Zero money means there's no money for example.
Or zero spaghetti flying monsters means it doesn't exist. Stop being a lunatic.
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>>514541357
I just told you the answer, it's not my fault you don't get it.
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>>514541014
Well the void supposedly also is outside space-time, so it may be where God "is", but he doesn't need to be there. He could be in some other immaterial spot. May be interesting to look at the Big Bang remnant up close, but this may be impossible. Is everything still receding from the Big Bang at extreme speeds? Yes.
>a sort of anti-black-hole
The Throne of God (is the canonical name of the thing now because I said so).
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>>514541317
Outside the known universe. I am saying the area caused by the big bang which we study. Time is relative. They took photos of old stars red shifted at 17 and 25. Go fuck a broken jar
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>>514541614
>It's literally nothing
You're too dumb for this. I'm sorry anon that you can't grasp concepts outside of high school.
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>>514526129
your mom
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>>514526129
Its turtles all the way down.
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>>514541440
>I don't know but Mr Physicist on YT said something cool so I believe it
Vax status ? What did Michio Kaku say ? Vax good ?
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>>514527914
like bro, i used the term quantum, okay? like bro, dark matter n shieet, a thing we literally made up to account for holes in our theory okay?
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>>514541492
That's actually a good point, meaning 0/2 isn't an issue because it's not a real zero either. The result likewise is nonzero. In fact zero can never be a result then.
>your result: no result
Physically impossible.
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>>514526129
>>514527295
>>514536040
Consider the following: the Swarzchild radius of the observable universe... is the size of the observable universe.
We are inside a black hole.
Big bang was the formation of the black hole.
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>>514541618
I get it, you're making shit up and you have no evidence for your claims. I understand perfectly.
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General relativity provides an explanation of how gravitational fields can slow the passage of time for an object as seen by an observer outside the field.

>General relativity provides an explanation of how gravitational fields can slow the passage of time for an object as seen by an observer outside the field.

GENERAL RELATIVITY PROVIDES AN EXPLANATION OF HOW GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS CAN SLOW THE PASSAGE OF TIME FOR AN OBJECT AS SEEN BY AN OBSERVER OUTSIDE THE FUCKING FIELD
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>>514541705
>I can't explain any of my claims
I know
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>>514526129
Science willed it to happen. Hail science!
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>>514541570
Your knowledge may be some decades out of date, but hey, that's a pretty much universal problem. A big rip will not occur. Atoms aren't affected by it.
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>>514541803
I'm not making shit up. I have watched a lot of cosmology videos over the decades and the cosmologist have even said that nothing is still something.
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>>514528429
so like, they're gay right?
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>>514541753
Zero isn't the result, they claim zero was the beginning and then 1 came out of zero just like that.
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>>514541854
>Your knowledge may be some decades out of date
It's still inconclusive. You should know this. Neither the big rip or the big freeze have been ruled out.
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>>514541888
>I have watched a lot of cosmology videos over the decades and the cosmologist have even said that nothing is still something.
Lmao. So you have no idea you just blindly trust some grifter on YT
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>>514528453
yes, they're retarded narcissists.
>13.77 billion years bro, trust me
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Spontaneous combustion propelling energy and mass into existence from nothing.

Simple as.
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>>514541994
>Lmao. So you have no idea you just blindly trust some grifter on YT
No. The videos I watched were from the top minds of cosmology around twenty years ago.
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>>514542076
A documentary......great.....we have an expert here guys
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>>514542076
And you didn't understand anything because you can't explain it. You just regurgitate.
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>>514542139
Not a documentary, it was a cosmology conference.
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>>514541729
At that point whats the point of arguing anything? You can just blame Joos and vaxxers. General relativity provides an explanation for how gravity slows time within a field. Time is somewhat variable just as gravity is variable but they are weak forces.

I already corrected the mistake I made about the red shift, it is at 17 and 25 so after the big bang but still brings up questions about the existence of background radiation before the big bang. Im not going to unlock the mysteries of the universe on fucking 4chan Ill tell you that much.
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It didn't happen by accident or chance, God created it all.
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>>514542297
>At that point whats the point of arguing anything?
If your only argument is appeal to authority as in "I don't know shit but the PhD guy said it so it MUST be true" then indeed there's no point whatsoever.
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>>514542506
K

Youre right relativity is junk science lmao. Come on tell me about the sky dome and the turtles holding up the flat earth
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>>514541072
lmao (ayyy)

>>514541930
Well yes, but the original premise was 0/2=0.

>>514541981
They are both unlikely, but then again time will literally run out at some point, and very little will occur "forever" until something happens (which never happens).
>so a big freeze after all
It's the Chud way, the timescales involved there, everything cooling down, are so large there's no point in counting it.
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>>514542506
All you're doing is having a temper tantrum because I didn't give you an answer you're willing to accept. I mean, you think your high school education is going to prove me wrong when we know stuff on the quantum level breaks the rules of general relativity, hence there being no unifying theory of the two fields. If you're that assblasted about it, go and ask an actual cosmologist instead of wasting your time here.
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>>514527339
How can something exist eternally? Where did it come from? You see, it always comes back to that one single point.
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>>514526129
Like this.
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>>514542990
You’re missing the conceptual category that distinguishes “created” from “uncreated/eternal”.
Ancient people could understand this but modernoids cannot.
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>>514526129

" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us."

-Simple as.
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>>514526581
poincare conceives and perelman proves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
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>>514526129
idk, maybe its jewish magic
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>>514526626
See
>>514526169
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Tried to get an answer out of AI with poor results, but apparently a near-blackhole mass neutron star has about the same size as a minimum size black hole.
So that singularity thing is bullshit, especially since the black hole, or its schwarzschild radius, increases massively as size increases, while neutron stars have a fairly uniform (tiny) size.
They are stellar mass atoms, in effect, and I presume there's simply a neutron star like object in the black hole, even if space supposedly collapsed (which it didn't. Space doesn't rely on photons to exist. Worst case it simply looks like a singularity but put that shit under a microscope first before jumping to such conclusions.
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>>514543077
Eternal like… God?
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>>514542826
>I have no arguments
>My argument is appeal to authority
>I also like combining strawman and ad hominem that's why accuse anyone who doesn't believe in my fairy tales of being a flat earther
What a Jew
>>514542945
You still haven't explained how the Big Rip is a theory and not a hypothesis. Prediction, lab replication or what ?
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>>514526129
The theory of the big bang was created when we took Einsteins formulas, which everybody knows are incomplete, and found that if we plug in a value of 13.8B ago his formula would divide by zero

It is quite frankly borderline insanity to rely on this. The formula is known to be incomplete because it is incompatible with quantum mechanics. Sure it sort of works for the observable universe but so did Newton's formulas back before we went to space. Imagine creating a theory on the creation of the universe based on newtonian physics?
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>>514543245
>schwarzschild radius, increases massively as size increases
Mass ofc
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>>514527339
>plasma cosmologists envision a universe crisscrossed by vast electrical currents and powerful magnetic fields, ordered by the cosmic counterpoint of electromagnetism and gravity.
Boy do they lay it on thick
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>>514526245
The big bang is just an orgy of supermassive black hole that blow eachother up until one supermassive BBC hole remain until he reach instability and then blow resulting in what u know as big bang
/thread
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>>514527634
>NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT! YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAWS OF PHYSICS HUMANS MADE UP BASED ON OBSERVATIONS!
kek what're you gonna do? give the universe a ticket for not abiding by the laws of insects? take it to space jail? you know this shit changes TIME ITSELF at a whim based on how fast shit is going right?
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>>514543487
the universe is an infinite cycle
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>>514527434
Jews are 70% of American academia and TBBT is a standard there
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>>514543487
But it's a good question why it would become unstable, at least if we assume it was the Highlander, who win the prize, with no other BBCs remaining.
>there was a final clash
>of the good BBC against his evil BBC twin
>obliterating both and creating Aids
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>>514526315
Fucking hell, I hope you're a retarded jeet. Because if a white man is referencing Family Goy jokes in 2025 he's a colossal faggot.
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>>514543322
>You still haven't explained how the Big Rip is a theory and not a hypothesis
I've already mentioned and explained inflation and red shift. You don't like the answer, so now I'm telling you to fuck off and get your explanations from an actual cosmologist because you're wasting my time.
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>>514527339

If it always existed. Entropy completely debunks this entirely. The universe would have a uniform temperature gradient. There wouldn’t be anything else. It did infact have a beginning. The problem is you people cannot comprehend space beginning to exist at the same point as time. It completely breaks you people to note that there can be objects inside the universe that are infact older than the universe itself.
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>>514543732
Factually speaking, if there was some sort of final collision this would literally have imploded the universe like a nuclear weapon, space and time and all, everything rushing together getting compacted.
So saying everything would be destroyed is an understatement, even if we assume everything everything,
so maybe it's not an unrealistic scenario, the big crunch, in essence.
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