The fact is that civilization is built on men transmuting their sex drive into useful activities for society. Without men doing things because they hope to get sex and reproduction and legacy out of it, there is no civilization.Sex and Culture by JD Unwin says as much:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_Culture>He purports that through stricter sexual conventions such as abstinence, nations channel their sexual energy into aggressive expansion, conquering "less energetic" countries, as well as into art, science, reform and other indicators of high cultural achievement.See pic for a more direct statement.Now, masturbation. What does it do? It temporarily removes sex drive from the equation AND it doesn't give you enough of a reward to pick back up where things left off, once your sex drive returns. "I worked all my adult life on the assumption that I'd eventually get a family, but that doesn't seem to be happening, and I can see that clearly now that I'm no longer being controlled by my lower urges. I now see the contract is unfair, and I don't want to work."This is the kind of realization that scares the elite. Masturbation gives you a chance to look behind the veil and see the motivations for your life choices without it being clouded by any sexual satisfaction had you orgasmed with an actual woman.Also, just to be clear, I support your choice to work and develop yourself, so long as you realize the risks going in and are doing it for _yourself_. By all means, pursue women and try to build that family. However, don't be under the illusion that 90% of your activities and hobbies aren't organized around getting pussy/women/kids. That's the whole game. You can win at the game, and you can lose at the game, but you better not actually see what the game is. That's what the elite are afraid of.
>>514747816TL;DR for people stuck on the "nofap" mindset —Masturbation doesn't make you depressed or out of energy. You feel depressed or out of energy because you've based 100% of your life on your sex drive, and when that gets rugpulled, you don't know what to do. The problem is not the masturbation but how you've organized your life and how you view yourself.
>>514748261And to be clear once again, the same thing does NOT occur with regular sex because the experience is somehow bluepilling enough that even after your sex drive temporarily goes down, you're willing to redo everything to get the sex again. Masturbation is different because you consciously recognize that everything else was performative and unnecessary just to have that need met.
>>514748398Another thing to make clear:This only really affects men. And before you get into some bullshit like "men are built differently, it's based on testosterone, men are superior", the truth is much simpler. Women who are young enough to want sex at all do not have to transmute their sex drive because sex is always available to them. And even when they can't have sex with the specific man that they want, the way that they go about it (ie, fitness, makeup, clothes, baking a cake) leads to zero benefits to civilization.This is one reason the whole "masculine and feminine energy" stuff is bullshit too. Masculine refers to active, feminine refers to receptive. Only the active partner in sex has to seek out partners, as the receptive partner will always have a list of options available to them. Consequently, women do not need to transmute their sex drive simply because they are the receivers in sex. Some people make this metaphor about life and society with these stupidass "energy" principles, but that's the root of it.
>>514749412The basis of female psychology is that:a) they don't need to prove themselves for sexb) they don't really understand that men have to do this and that it pervades every aspect of their lives
>>514747816Back to anthropology and this book:>The book states that the effect of sexual constraints, either pre or post-nuptial, has always led to increased flourishing of a culture. >Conversely, increased sexual freedom always led to the collapse of a culture three generations later. Sexual freedom -> women engage in sex without commitment and work otherwise to make money and pay for their things-> women quickly devalue the purpose of men through this-> women universally stop committing to women, because they don't need them-> large amounts of men not being rewarded for their efforts -> masturbation leads these men to wake up and see why they're putting out effort Think about the porn bans! This is happening at the same time that fertility rates are collapsing because it is destabilizing society.
>>514747816You're retarded.The elite at this point want you gooning your vril out so that you don't reproduce. And it's working. And any genius tier IQ anons such as myself realize this and are for it.
>>514751194>The elite at this point want you gooning your vril out so that you don't reproduce. And it's working. And any genius tier IQ anons such as myself realize this and are for it.There's a happy balance for them. They can't have the strong Anglo-American culture continuing, so they introduced chaos to weaken it. However, in the process, they've weakened society so much that they've destabilized it and it will continue to destabilize.You're dumb for thinking they have a single idea that they stick to like "reduce the population". No, they want to control the population, which may mean reduce it if the population is large and healthy, but not when the system is running on fumes.
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>>514753344Thanks. Funny how when you put a legit thread together on the exact subjects used to slide this board constantly, suddenly no one has anything to say.
I read everything you said and I agree, but nofap does give you more energy. If you compete seriously in any sport you can easily see the performance boost during nofap. Your sperm takes a lot of energy to be created and they deplete very important minerals like zink. Also porn can be a slippery slop and you can end up flapping to sissy hypno shit and becoming a tranny.
>>514747816great posts dude hell yeah. i have recently uncovered this when talking to GPT-5. Men are slaves, and civilization is built on our (unmet) sexual needs. Im so fucking mad.
>>514755181>I read everything you said and I agree, but nofap does give you more energy. If you compete seriously in any sport you can easily see the performance boost during nofap.Because you are competing in this sport using your sex drive. Masturbation only decreases energy in one category (more sex), and people vary in how much they depend on this sex drive for daily functions and goal setting.
That is why using hentai instead of porn leads a step further away from the shackles of the flesh.Issue is that for biological reasons many men cant find meaning in existence beyond pursuing sex, so that's how nofap and the like are touted as absolute truth. Having tried nofap myself I can confirm that the benefits are as advertised.This thread is basically rediscovering the foundations of masculine spirituality
>>514747816>the elites are against masturbation
>>514756788that's the part I disagree with OP.Masturbating men eithera. become unmotivated toolsb. become enlightened hermits that dont care anymore about the rotten world and whatever burden they cause to society is negligible in the face of the consumer horde
>>514747816each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done so that's happening right now with all of this stuff. The end goal is to have it like those Asian romance shows, nothing like roast world.
>>514757426>whatever burden they cause to society is negligible in the face of the consumer hordeRight up until the lights go out because niggers can't maintain the civilization they need to kike the world with. These kikes out kiked themselves like they always do. God created them to lose.
>>514747816regardless, there are other forms of drive besides sex driveyou're kinda supposed to get over that stage before 18
>>514747816nice post, thank you anon, a refreshing break fromthe incessant, have kids, spam
>>514757951>you're kinda supposed to get over that stage before 18Yes, because you're supposed to have a wife at least some pipeline in place to get a wife before you're 18. That's the transition to adulthood, not just having sex for the first time. Men are now twice as old as that and still not reaching "adulthood" in the sense of having any sort of legacy to work for, and those years stare them in the face every time they look in the mirror. At some point, you have to recognize that.
>>51474781630% of zoomer males these days are virgins. they are not becoming more successful. as a matter of fact,OP's premise is false because the opposite is true. when sexual urges are satisfied and men have healthy sex, it improves their mental and physical health. men are more successful when they fuckprostitution should be legalized and heavily regulated
>>514759852I don't see how anything you've said disproves or contradicts what I've said. I'd suggest you look harder at what I'm saying.
>>514747816>Go away, ‘baitin.
>>514757951>>514759715>get over sex drive by the time you're 18actual retarded take. sex drive in men continues in to middle age. if sex drive dies and you aren't old, its because some is wrong with you as a man and it will end up causing other problems in your life. ejaculating and the process of foreplay and sex for a decent amount of time having sex to massage the prostate is a bodily function for men. it is literally healthy for us, we evolved this way. there is no escape from this, believing anything else is a pathetic cope.
>>514759953i am literally agreeing with youthere was supposed to be a birth control pill for men in 2003 but it never came to market. the elite don't want men to have reproductive self determination, they want us tied down with child support and hateful women
>>514747816OP is a sin against God
>>514747816Masturbation is completely safe and inconsequential if you're an incel. It's like a pig that's allowed to run outside and burn as many calories at it wants because it's never gonna be eaten by anyone.There are more layers to this masturbation bullshit, some of these layers being quite esoteric. But it all goes back to people burning themselves out of something.
>>514760038>get over sex drive by the time you're 18That's not what I said. I said that by 18, you're supposed to get actual rewards for your transmutation of your sex drive. Not just sex, but commitment from women and potentially kids. At minimum, a feeling that you will actually get these things if you put in a little work.
>>514760249but let's say for the sake of argument you become a master of selfand never masturbate, never indulge, have flawless dietetcetera. but what for? why?it's like when i try to rationally argue against porn and masturbationthere is none
>>514747816masturbation counts as violating abstinence. Masturbation robs you of your energy. Without energy, you can't impose your will on the world. Elites wanted everyone to masturbate so much they produced porn and distributed it for free on the internet. You are such an ass any source could easily prove your arguments wrong.
>>514760379>you can't impose your will on the world.You can still impose your will on the world in EVERY single way that doesn't directly involve sex or the transmutation of your sex drive. If you are afraid of that possibility, or you lack the creativity to understand what that means, then you are a sheep who needs your sex drive to survive.
>>514747816>into useful activities for societythe problem with that is that rebelling and REMINDING the "Elites" of their place is counted among said useful activities. Without regular cullings, said "Elites" tend to forget that it is their role to provide leadership and see to it that everyone recieves benefits for pearticipating, not suck off themselves and their buddies to everyone elses detriment.However, insuccrection is a strenous activity, and chronic masturbaters find themselves hard pressd to gather the motivation to push through.
>>514751194>The elite at this point want you gooning your vril out so that you don't reproduceExcept they've already accomplished that by pricing everyone out of home ownership, porn doesn't have any actual effect on people having kids. People aren't childless/wifeless because they watch porn, they watch porn because they're childless/wifeless.
>>514747816( see the middle east)
>>514760038sex drive obviously remains but it's not the only driving factor for your actions, supposedly after 18-20before that sure, everything you do is to attract a mate and to be as likeable as possibleafter having your first sex experiences you're supposed to get other forms of drive besides sexualif you don't because you couldn't get a release "in time" or you started romanticizing sex or whatever other mental issue you can think of that's pathological
>>514747816>"I worked all my adult life on the assumption that I'd eventually get a family, but that doesn't seem to be happening, and I can see that clearly now that I'm no longer being controlled by my lower urges. I now see the contract is unfair, and I don't want to work.">This is the kind of realization that scares the elite.All the elite have to do is >A) get rid of welfare, and>B) make fertility rates higher.Getting rid of welfare will make men work so they can afford food/rent/utilities. If some men still don't work, they at least aren't consuming many resources, and any labor shortage caused by them not working is easily compensated for with more people being born. Fertility rates can be boosted by taking women's rights away.
We've been conditioned to think that porn is normal the same way someone in the ghetto is conditioned to accept being jumped and mugged on their walk to the grocery store. The fact that someone would make porn, star in porn, or even watch porn is beyond belief - especially the extreme porn which is being made now - and I can guarantee you wouldn't without the Internet. We have been conditioned to accept these things as normal which is not the same thing as healthy. Normal is relative.And so exploring the idea of someone making porn in a movie, the sickening secret underbelly of society, a place that people slip into to push the limits of misery and hedonism, a place where the desperate and broken go, is not out of the question. You just think that porn is normal so if a movie explores porn then it's meant to titillate. And you don't need movies to titillate you because you've already watched enough porn today!Read the Coiled Serpent - https://archive.org/details/TheCoiledSerpent
>>514760515>they watch porn because they're childless/wifeless.Exactly. This is also true for drug use.
>>514756788So you're endorsing OP? Fascinating.
>>514760749>pathologicalbuddy, we live in a societyyou talking about "ideal development paths"as if we aren't domesticated animals in a synthetic cageit's too funny
>>514760469>if you don't do this thing every loser fuckass does>and which every single semi-serious sports competitor, businessman, artist and absorbed scientist doesn't do>ur a sheep>and retarded>and not creative>and are probably goon-ophobic as well :DDDDYou overplayed your hand but i'll bite and I'll even feed you a (You). Tell me the method which apparently has been kept secret from the cream of the crop of humanity for thousands of years
>>514747816Day 119 nofap hereIm convinced ejaculation is classified by the body as another waste excretion process. If you feel like shitting, you poo, if you have to go, you piss, if your stomachs upset, you vomit, if lungs are clogged you cough- if yoyr horney ypu ejaculate. All of these cessate after expulsion.Id say inter-gender affairs are mostly economically driven, govt social saftey nets and cost of hpusing and child rearing reduce it. Kids wernt a reward, they were labour and old age welfare inputs or farm hands
>>514747816This is such bullshit.>durr it was really women withholding sex that created everything and started civilization >but now dudes just jerk off rather than murdering eachother by the millions just for a slice of my beef curtains STFU bitch. Some jewish HR academia cat lady obviously wrote this stupid shit and only a nofap faggot would actually be retared enough to buy it. I had a bad motorcycle accident 10 years ago and couldn't jerk off or have sex for like 6 months. I was still horney but couldn't phyically do it. Before that I had a high sex drive. Fucking 2-3 times a day minimum. Did I develop a murderous rage or get inspired to build something huge or do art (LOL)? No. As a matter of fact my sex drive almost disappeared completely after a month or two. I felt very numb amd unmotivated. When I was finally able I didn't even really want to. It took awhile of forcing myself to have sex and jerk off to get back to my original sex drive. I don't think I ever fully recovered.
>>514760368Well, the reason is quite obscure and syncretic. A lot if not all of the western's esoteric frameworks are influenced by daoism. In daoism there's "three treasures" or three fundamental elements, jing > qi > shen. Jing is the fixed reservoir of "life energy" a person starts their life with, mostly related to bone marrow and structural physicality. Ejaculating burns jing, and since jing is a fixed reservoir and can't be refilled it's considered detrimental to burn it for trivial matters.
>>514760958>as if we aren't domesticated animals in a synthetic cagethere are still biological imperatives which go beyond sexual reproduction, like survival, which translates to mastery over one's environment, curiosity, or other shit entirely like creativityassuming it all revolves around pussy is dumb
>>514760297No noe in their right mind has children at 18, taht was only ever a thing before contraceptives.>commitment from women Why the fuck would you WANT that. The last thing a young man jsut leaving adolescence should do is tie himself permanently to some chick, least of all saddle himself with children.Thats reasonable only if you your life expectancy is 30 years or whatever. >>514760958>as if we aren't domesticated animals in a synthetic cageOther way around. We are individuals with deeply divergent genetic, physical and mental preconditions. An "Ideal developement path" is therefore nonexistent, as it entirely depends on the individual.
>>514761372this becomes a semantic argument i think, because you "burn"biological resources to do literally anythingeverything is some kind of an exchange processso really, we need to determine the valuesof the costs and benefits, rather than say"their is a cost, therefore do not engage">>514761399ok, but a train can only run on its railsshaming the train for not deviating for what was created for itis just a misunderstanding of physics
>>514761425correct, which is why saying "sex should be done by x age"is beyond absurd
>>514760923the drug use is because they are extremely unhappy, usually for very legitimate reasons. nobody willingly blows up their life. despair grabs them and doesnt let them go. you dont have to be a bleeding-heart liberal faggot, but a little compassion for people (within reason) goes a long way.
>>514761627you can't deviate too much but you can kinda pick alternatives while being true to biological directivesthere's a bunch of power hungry eunuchs in history proving this
>>514748261>>514748398>>514749412>>514749522>>514751108That's the longest tl;dr I have ever skipped.From the first lines of OP pic, it seemed to go into: fappers are too busy fapping to build or conquer civilizations.
>>514748261What if you fuck a sex doll?
>>514761948that's all well and good, but it's like telling a domesticateddog he is a bad dog for not being a wild wolf with a wolf haremit's just kind of absurdthe animal was born in captivity
>>514747816it has nothing to do with sex drivemasturbation= vascular cock = please womannofappers are retarded golemscircumcision is so brutal to prevent being able to please your fate because she will get upset that you aren't instantly hard because you're mutilated jews stepped in to make sure you won't find love, it takes years to make a woman understand the pain circumcision is.
> be an incel> called a redpillMaybe
>>514747816Nigger, kill yourself.
>>514761627Well this was meant for cultivators, people who are careful with how they manage their body's resources. The average person can just live their live wanking away, in fact, not waking for a month won't do shit.This is also why in daoism the "afterlife" comes in two different frameworks, one for cultivators and one for the common folk. It's basically minmaxing vs improvising.
>>514762083I guess? it's 4am here and I'm starting to lose track of metaphors herethe issue is that you allegedly have some control over what actually drives you and putting all your eggs in one basket ( like in the OP with sex ) is just a risky strategythat's what I meant by "getting over it" : you're supposed to increase your range, not forget one of your imperatives
>>514762271thats a long winded way of saying, there is no value in not masturbatinglike, what, am i gonna wage faster? lolmasturbation has instant benefits thoughhappiness, stress relief, better sleepim just not seeing ANY reasons to not masturbatethat aren't>well there are some magickal benefits i just cant tell you its esotericeven if there was some meme benefit of "having more energy"or whatever. again i ask, for what? to wage harder?
>>514747816No offense, but I don't think you've said anything that all men don't innately understand. Literally all of our actions are about getting pussy in the future or coping that we don't have pussy. Is that what you're saying? I assumed this was already understood.
>>514762451the contention was in age relating to sex driveif anything i have more sex drive now then at 18obviously saying "sex should be completed by age 18-20" is just not based on anything
>>514747816Never post again you dumbfuck.
>>514762477Even amongst cultivators masturbation isn't "forbidden" it's just limited, specially as you go up in age.The point here is that a lot of western frameworks were directly influenced by daoism through the silk road and the jesuits. Kabbalah for example is heavily inspired by daoist cosmology and it originated in the other corner of the world. There's a syncretic general aversion to indulgence and waste that's derived from more ancient frameworks when it comes to specific dynamics.
>>514760749but that's retarded. men who can't get laid are more neurotic and have lower testosterone. you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. men are more vigorous in mind and body when they are getting laid on the regular. stop ignoring how testosterone works
>>514747816>>514751194>"Elite"Firstly, stop using this term. It's the Jews.Second, the Jews are on both sides, Esau gambit. They both promote porn and masturbation, and oppose it. The goal is divide and conquer on a pointless issue to control you.
>>514762587I'll rephrase it for clarity : your drive in life before 20 is mostly about sex because puberty and whatnot, so most of the shit you'll do at that age bracket you'll do for mating purposesafter 20, you're supposed to broaden your drive to include mastery over X, competency, curiosity over Y and so onthere is no switch, it's just an increase in rangeif you don't do that, it can very well become a pathological issueI'm not sure if you're even talking about sex drive as in how horny you are now or what motivates you : english is such a mess of a language
>>514762824i view it as "my house is already in order" so "taking a wank"isn't an issue. it is not waste. it's like sweeping the floori am not a breeder, or a husband, or a fatheri do not have these obligationsi excel in the duties that i do haveand so society has not placed any additional pressures on meso my leisure time is presumablyfor my recreation and health maintenancetherefore masturbating is part of fulfilling my role in the social contractif society assigns me a wife i suppose i could reconsider thisbut as it stands, my role is already set
>>514763154oh, well in that case it gets into value argumentsi would argue that there really is no value in anythingit's all just absurd biology and then you diewhile believing a lot of rationalizations about itpeople make it much more than it really is
>>514757426Maybe a faction of them are. Remember when you were little and you were told it leads to hairy palms and blindness? That's quite the scare tactics to tell children.As usual in this Jew world we are caught up in a false dichotomy of lies and conflicting extremes.
>>514747816Yeah that's the implicit contract of civilization. If men play by the rules and become good little worker drones they get a wife to fuck and bear their children.Sexual liberation, allowing women to act on their hypergamy instinct and flock to the top 20% of men while ignoring the bottom 80% negates this contract.I support the bottom 80% of men dropping out and becoming leeches on the system. No pussy no work.
OP seems to have fucked off. He's probably having a wank.
>>514747816yea, i gave up on women because they hate us and then i stopped working on my sidegig. just idling now.
>>514747816I only coom to jeets being hit by trains. I have a few kids.
>>514763379Bro, what does the top 20 % even mean? I havent been able to get a gf throughout all my 20s (29 now) so i spend most of my time lifting, working, and reading. I was at the grocery store today and all the girls werent with chads. I mogged every single dude there. I just dont get it.
>>514763518>yea, i gave up on women because they hate usseriously, a very large amount of men do not understand that women dont love THEM. they love what a man can PROVIDE. it seems like a subtle difference, but make no mistake, it is massive. She likes HERSELF, not you. That's why she cares so much about how she feels. It's about HER, not you. Men expect reciprocity, and get really hurt and upset when they dont get it. Men are forced to be strong because women are a BURDEN. They have the hole, you have the cock. You give, they receive. It's not a 2-way street. Make no mistake, it is a one-way street. She expects you to give, and shes gonna think you're weak and weird if you expect HER to give. she has an unfillable hole between her legs. she was designed to receive, in every sense of the word. cock, money, protection, attention, validation, they expect other people to give it to them. they don't have a dick! they are not designed to give and provide! they're an empty hole(s)! They quite literally do not have anything to offer, besides multiple cock receptacles. i dont want it to be like this but theres nothing anyone can do about it. thats nature. thats the real world with all the deception & manipulation pulled back.
>>514748261replace sex drive with alcohol and you've got my wife
>>514763290>i would argue that there really is no value in anythingthere is value in the amount of dopamine, and long term dopamine, I get by doing specific thingsif you're "lucky" your threshold isn't completely fucked so you don't need to become napoleon or a billionaire to feel fulfilled, nor have sex with hundreds of womenbut yeah, you kinda play yourself your whole life
>>514747816>civilization is just not masturbating! proof? i was circumsized can't masturbate and work alot! its obvious goy!
>>514764148>you kind of played yourselfthis is what i mean. how? in what way? what was the alternative?you presume that there is this state of not masturbatingwhere these other good things cascade from itwhat if you are wrong and someone can use dopamineeven, gasp, through masturbatingand still be fineits like playing a video game without using healing itemsyeah it might make the game more challenging or interestingbut claiming that someone who chooses to use the healing itemis just making a value judgementand i dont think its obvious youve shown the value of not masturbating to be objective or insurmountable
>>514755181>Also porn can be a slippery slop and you can end up flapping to sissy hypno shit and becoming a tranny.Ive fapped to porn on average 1-2 times a day since like age 12-13. Never had any urge to watch any gay or tranny shit. Porn doesnt do that to you, its something within you already.
>>514764316>someone who uses the item isnt playing the game right
>>514757671>Pic Scorpion and the frog. Even the upper classes are mixing so kalergi plan has failed.
>>514764316>you presume that there is this state of not masturbatingno I presume one can branch out beyond masturbating and sex in general>and still be fineyou can, it's just unlikely to work consistently long term because you have fewer optionsdoesn't mean a specific individual can't beat all odds and be fine for life just by doing that one thing, but it's not something I would advise as a general ruleI'm not arguing against anything in particularif puberty hit you at 60 and below that age your drive was mastery of your own environment I'd say the same exact shit : it's dangerous because you have only one option, and if that fails you're fucked
>>514764714people are fucked anyways, we all start as domestic animals in a cagewe already lost from the start of the "game"therefore, i have respect for people who actually enjoythe tiny shred of life/freedom they can steal away from this vampire worldteatotallers are just wannabee slave owners
>>514747816>muh dick posting about motivationHoly fucking shit, that's stupid.Men build shit because they want to see it built. The fuck is this faggotry?
>>514764316>>514747816>spend years in the parasocial digital company of the top 1% sluttiest amoral harlots in the world>go out into real world and meet girls >can't understand why they dont all immediately jump on your cock with zero effort>never learn to socialise with normal women porn trains you to expect unrealistic behaviour from women IRL, which then makes you unable to attract a normal one. The wife you shouldve had has already passed you by while you were nervously and guiltily (and silently) staring at her wondering how to make her gargle your balls in one effortless click. >masturbation I don't think it's possible to retain semen 100% of the time forever, married or monk, but you're supposed to resist wanking for weeks at least, get so horny and desperate for sex that you go outside, and force yourself by desperation for sex to find a woman who's actually your match (not your ideal ego chef-maid-slambabe but an actual real person)
>>514763884>but theres nothing anyone can do about it.Women give to each other, but have a hard time mediating that, which is why lesbians abuse one another. How they perceive men is a culmination of histories and instincts. Is it not strange that somebody would scream in terror upon seeing the naked form of the opposite sex? Thing is, women see us as monsters and beasts to tame and use, much akin to how man has used beasts to toil his fields and dress himself. They evolved to see us as a dangerous resource to be controlled. But now that they reign again, this has to change or we have an animalistic phase akin to the Aboriginals ahead of us.
>>514747816>muh psycho logists....>>514748261>tl dr masturbation does not make you depressed because you are depressed due to masturbation
>>514748398>the same thing does NOT occur with regular sexIt definitely does. It's called post-coital tristesse.
this topic is a nothing burger to make men more miserable when in reality it's reproductive suppression born from women's rights
>>514764901>but you're supposed to resist wanking for weeks at least, get so horny and desperate for sex that you go outside, and force yourself by desperation for sex to find a woman who's actually your match (not your ideal ego chef-maid-slambabe but an actual real person)i unironically did this, and i just became fodder for women who milked me for attentionthen i said fuck it, started jerking it and drinking and smokingand a coworker came, hit on me, and became my fuck buddy for almost the last two yearsi just dont beleive in the teetotaling stuff anymorei believe in trying less hard and doing lessi work hard and i do a good job in my lifebut i dont think its right for genetically inferior individualsto "do things" genetically superior individuals dont have toto compensate for inferior geneticsi just embrace my animal urges to the max and say fuck itlet the chips fall where they maymy effort maxxing backfiredme not giving a fuck led me to getting laid and becoming a manager
>>514765090Very jewish way to frame this. Truth is that the neolithic y-chromosome bottleneck may have been a mistake that took 7,000 years to show us why.
>>514765207i even tested the nofap shit tooi thought if i jerked it i would be less hard and hornylater in the day because of this meme idea of not jerking leads to higher sex drivenope. turns out, on a day i jerked hours beforei was able to fuck her insanely hard, to where she thought i took a pillnofap is literally a meme. another time i didnt jerk for a weekthen she came over and i came inside her nearly instantly from overstimulationtesting in my own life showed this to be a waste of timeand a neurosis
>>514747816>The real reason the elites are against masturbationNoFap = lower Testosterone levels when you go more than a few days without cooming. Beta Males = submissive to authority.
>>514764846never said the contrary, but the more things you enjoy the better, as long as they're somewhat attainable so you don't become miserable insteadI'm still not sure if that's luck of the draw or if you can mentally condition yourself to appreciate different things : personally, I'm lucky as fuck
>>514765207>then i said fuck it, started jerking itto porn, which is not available in any natural environment who knows what you would have achieved if you could never, ever, see a titty without impressing a girl? the damage was done to you in your teens and 20s already by giving you a glut of your desires if there was literally no porn everyone would masturbate much less. have you tried quitting porn for a long time? even if you still wank it drives you towards finding women IRL and therefore towards becoming someone of value
>>514765207You relaxing lets others do so too. Humans mirror one another. Tryhards meet impossible standards.
What the fuck is it with Americans and fapping?Like the cornflakes cereal were invented by Kellogg’s who wanted to strip away mans sexual urges which came from a big breakfast with eggs, sausages, beans, bread etc so he invented the cereal.He dedicated his life to stop people fapping but he would spank men in his basement.Same reason they cut baby’s dicks right after birth to make masturbation less pleasant.Like what the fuck is it with you guys going psychotic over the idea of busting a nut lmao. It’s normal and natural. Just laugh at it and move on.
>>514764901>chef-maid-slambabe>mommy bang-maidhahaha. great terms.
>>514765373I think the nofap stuff from ancient times came from nutrients actually being scarce, in which case of course you can see why wanking 5x a day would kill and drain you slowly With you being a fat fuck living off meat every day it's not so much of an issue, but if you didn't have porn, you would find yourself masturbating very rarely if ever. Imagination is not that good. Porn is the drug, without it you'd go crazy and find yourself being extremely social and talking to women all the time, just to see them, or take mental pictures to wank to later. This would naturally make you work to become more attractive to them so they spend more time with you and potentially fuck you Porn is what destroys men's motivation, not cooming
>>514765258sound's like a Machiavellian response >muh neolithic this is a digital age dumbassnot the neolithic and social engineering to return to the stone age is still Machiavellian
>>514756788Push past the surface.>Perhaps the social engineering has reached its peak- porn is no longer necessary on such a large scale;>the mental and chemical damage has reached critical mass. The addiction fully realized, capitulate the system to bring even deeper agony by denying addicts their drug.>there is more than one Faction of "elites" competing over the masses. A group that wants to suppress and enslave, another that wants to elevate metamorph humankind.
>>514765558>it drives you towards finding women IRL and therefore towards becoming someone of valuewhy does associating with women make a male valuable?>>514765548i mean we could imagine where i would be if i wasntborn a domestic slave and society wasnt an open air prisonbut that's just exercise in imagination>>514765885sure, but obviously society is not geared towardsmaking people thrive, it's geared towards enslaving them and thenhaving them accept responsibilityi just skip all that and say yep im a loser goonerfuck it what else is there to do?make more slaves? no thanks,see how easy that isthere is no argument that isnt pragmatic or utilitarian hereso then, why do we even have individual rights at allif we are going to go down this road?
>>514765540in my experience this is false. I cant really back it up with studies because "they" want you to coom. There is no money to be made with SR and nofap but sex is a TRILLION dollar industry
The topic you're referring to likely involves the use of media, including pornography, as a psychological tactic in geopolitical conflicts. One notable instance is the Israeli government's alleged use of such tactics against its neighbors, particularly during the 1980s and 1990s.In this context, it has been reported that Israel engaged in psychological warfare strategies, which included disseminating sexually explicit materials to undermine the morale of enemy combatants and to create discord within their ranks. This tactic was part of broader psychological operations aimed at destabilizing hostile groups.(((THEY))) use it to destabilize hostile groups. Need any other argument?
>>514766030>why does associating with women make a male valuable?without porn you'd want, no, NEED women to spend more time with you , therefore you'd want to become someone attractive , so you'd work porn is what undercuts your motivation to become attractive >yep im a loser goonerbecause porn exists I mean sure, accept defeat. I'm not going to force you but this is just explaining how you've been defeated
>>514766323the "victory" conditions are absurdso im supposed to get agitated from horninessand impregnate the first willing ogre i find?am i understanding you right?
i just fucked the shit out of my wife and lol what is this threadjust go outside just talk to a girl
>>514766030>>514766323from my experience masturbating without porn does NOT reduce your drive to hang out with hot women. I think the sex drive is actually to see hot women, more so than simply to empty your balls.
>>514766323>without porn you'd want, no, NEED women to spend more time with you , therefore you'd want to become someone attractive , so you'd work Ah yes I’m sure he’d get a gf by being a wageslave kek
>>514766062>in my experience this is false. I cant really back it up
Masturbation is fine if it keeps you away from pornography and adultery. Gross to talk about, but it needs to be said. It is best to get married and start a family.
>>514759852Facts. Masturbation just simply staves off the dense stygian cloud of existential dread, which negatively feedback loops into more and more despair turning into hopelessness, which causes demotivation and paralysis in decision, because "what's the point" at the end of the day.But actually emotionally bonded sex, for a man to be loved in turn as much as he loves, it's a wellspring of life for a man, and all aspects and markers of healthy vitality in a man improve.
>>514747816Im not trying to sound jewish but its literally like either i get a white gf ir I wont give a fuck about replacement and will just live in the woods
>>514766468Im under 6 foot buddy
>>514766404no and you're boring me now from being such a dumbass. you're supposed to get agitated from NEVER SEEING HOT WOMEN and then work to attract one. 'The first ogre you find' is just you projecting your zero self esteem onto the principle. Obviously you can be patient and pick one once youve worked your way up into a circle you're happy with. Again I ask you to imagine a world where it was IMPOSSIBLE to see some tits wirthout ipressing girls all through your teens and 20s. You would be a completely different creature. I tire of speaking to your personal wretched and long-ruined situation
>>514766062SR is just an anti sex movement, they just try to hide it with some spiritual nonsense. SR might actually be eglin propaganda >>514766529lmao, and as soon as anon got a job and didn't get any girls the next question he'll get asked is if he's edgy or has something else going on for him because that's what really matters.
>>514766585>for a man to be loved in turn as much as he loves,Vast majority of women aren't capable of giving that though
>>514766529>work = wageslave t. dullard wageslave
>>514747816the fact you people are only discovering sex and culture by JD Unwin now makes me realise how much other shit you aren't aware of and how dumb you all are.If I had the option to kill 95% of you people on this board I would
>>514766752your abiility to instantiate anything real with these hypothetical womenis not a function of your effort dudea genetically superior male does nothing, gets selecteda genetically inferior male can never "do enough" to compensateyou are coping hard
>>514747816Yes we all know why the kikes are doing it. They want to increase slave productivity. This isn't even fucking subtle. It's literally just the anti-sex league from 1984.
>>514766886You won't do shit you low iq abbo.
>>514766542there's just not many studies on the subject. It's my anecdotal experience. Fasting is similar, there is no money to be made so there isn't that many studies to back it up. Also a little peeved that you ((you'd)) me for saying i cant back it up when people on 4chan relentlessly talk out their ass with no studies to prove their dumbass takes. Low effort. Low iq.
>>514766759They give it at the moment, and they mean it at the moment. Enjoy it at the moment, but don’t have expectations of it lasting much beyond the moment.
>>514766938>a genetically superior male does nothingobviously untrue, genetic superior males siply naturally enjoy trying, struggling, working etc more. thats what gets them 'selected'. We enjoy the struggle of , for example, getting off the computer for a while, or doing anything difficult, unlike you. This whole thread is cope lol and I regret coming back to pol to talk to the mutants here after many months away I dont care about your miserable coping or that you will never breed, my point is simply that porn is an unnatural glut of what you want that has over your lifetime caused you to not need to try.
>>514766759Honestly the vast majority of men aren't either. Humans are basically all psychopaths. Some just have enough power to enact their satanic wishes.
>>514766753But wouldnt they want you to coom? I have been on and off SR for years. It's made me consoom less, lift more, and pretty much neetmax bettering myself while giving as little back to the system as possible. What would be the point of the psyop?
>>514767158haha i worked nearly two years at two jobs, averaging between 65-70 hours a week.i am now enjoying the fruits of my own labourand its wonderfulyou've no clue what you are talking about and youwent and made this personalbecause you don't have an argument
>>514767036>Enjoy it at the moment, but don’t have expectations of it lasting much beyond the moment.Nah that's no different from a hookup then. Worthless.
>>514767158also>you are all stupid mutants>WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO MAKE YOU BREEDlol you people are just too much, like pick one
>>514766542that doesn't make any sense, why would jews argue against gooning and porn if they massively profit off it?
>>514767257well done for proving your shit thread a shill thread You started the argument with your whining excuses, I came to make a point; porn is an intentional oversupply of tits to take away mens motivation. Without porn existing you could wank every day and you would still have a drive to get off your ass and go and become better, just to see girls.
>>514767158>working etc more. thats what gets them 'selected'Nah man the period I got laid the most in my life was 18-22 when I was doing a useless arts degree, drinking and partying constantly and had no money.You can be a total bum but if they think you're fun and hot they'll hand you pussy on a silver platter.If you need to try hard, acquire wealth and social status to get laid you're not attractive I'm sorry to inform you
>>514767507you made the argument personal and i simplyasserted your claims to be absurd on the basis of my effort exertedwhat you just wrote about "shill" has no basis in reality and this is not my thread
>>514767547Getting laid by infertile art hoes at parties is not hard. Also nowadays 18-22yos dont go out and party they stay in and goon, proving my point theres not even motivation to party and have casual sex anymore
>>514747816>"I worked all my adult life on the assumption that I'd eventually get a family, but that doesn't seem to be happening, and I can see that clearly now that I'm no longer being controlled by my lower urges. I now see the contract is unfair, and I don't want to work."Have you been reading my diary?
>>514747816Doing things to impress girls is only worthwhile if you have the resources to do anything about itTHAT's the red pill
>>514767291>Nah that's no different from a hookup then. Worthless.yeah exactly. if it doesnt last forever, its just a fart in the wind.
>>514747816Assumption that masturbation removes sex drive is a bit crazy to begin with - likely made by some very detached people.The only thing that does remove sex drive longterm is actual sex and abundance of it (and maybe chemical dependencies, like alcohol, nekotine and such, but that's beside the point). Sex is REALLY overrated for the most part - once you have enough different encounters it quickly loses it's "magic". But luckily for "elite" religious marriage, monogamy and societal slut stigma has that in check.Even then, just because you do have "sexdrive" doesn't mean you're competent enough to achieve anything meaningful.
>>514768236even if you are hyper competent, what would you do?this is the thing that you and another poster just seem to take for grantedwhat exactly is worth doing in society?people do things because they have skin in the gamebut to a person with no skin in the gamewhat exactly is the draw? work hard work more in a different way?i dont get ithave you not noticed there is nothing of value going on?
>>514767507demonstrably disingenuousif Men had no visual escape they would use their imaginations insteadit makes no difference in men seeking self improvement, removing content is intentional social engineering to force demographic unrestthe issue is still women's rights using identity politics for reproductive suppression you weak Machiavellians just act like cucks because you see your retarded "wife" as your "equal" so just let them walk over you
>>514767547How did you pay tuition with no money? It's not about getting laid, you giganigger, it's about being able to support a respectable family respectably and that's not possible in communist faggot world
>>514768412>if Men had no visual escape they would use their imaginations insteadTry it and see how satisfying that is. You will want to go and be accepted by society so you can see pretty women. In fact all parasocial things on the internet probably have the same demotivating effect, you can be a worthless piece of shit who does nothing and still 'hang out' with Toe Rogan every day of your life. People used to have to be cool and fun and productive to fit in anywhere, now we can all shit online anonymously instead in our underpants
>>514768410>have you not noticed there is nothing of value going on?I've been trying to explain this for a while. apart from real estate (and to a much much lesser extent cars) there's very little to actually buy with money. for example, you're not going to be able to buy a cure for cancer because there's no incentive for a person to do a phd in biology and chemistry, and then go work in a pharma lab for 8 hours a day for 20 years to find a cure. no one wants that, and smart people look at that and instead try to find something more lucrative. but the problem is, all the smart people not doing smart things leads to a society where there isn't anything to actually buy. this has been going on since financialization took over the western economies, you had physics phd going to work on wall street way back in the 80s.
>>514768410>what exactly is the draw?the draw is not being a poor enslaved lonely retard forever obviously now make another excuse for your defeatism that i don't care about
>>514768748the idea that some men couldjust stop masturbating and then everything in their lifefalls into place is just completely absurdwhen you actually put into the context of modern sexual dynamicswhere a tall gigachad brokie is better offthan a genetically inferior rich fag
>>514768982>cake is bad for you>hurr well obviously cake is good for you because a genetically superior man can eat cake and still breed this is how retarded you sound, you make a huge leap. Masturbating all the time is obviously bad for you and porn is much worse
>>514768891people are enslaved from the startbecoming an obedient and good slavejust means you are used as a beta providerthis is not a victory either,nor is it a remedy for lonelinessin fact, it guarantees divorce rapeso your apparent solution exacerbates the problem you've identified
>>514769083it's not a leap, a genetically inferior man can jerk off comfortablyknowing that "nofap fantasies" of becoming a demi god among manletsis delusional and he can wank and sleep instead of being a neurotic mess
>>514765923>this is a digital age dumbass>not the neolithicThe bottleneck reduced variance by 95% in males. This is why men are so dull and evil.
>>514769094Get rich or die trying faggot. Not my problem you can't imagine a solution. Or don't bother because you have plenty of stimulation and excuses where you're at.
>>514767250they want you to work, I think that's the point. it's also not at all clear that either SR or noporn increases or decreases sex drive. SR for a week makes testosterone peak, but it plateaus after that. there's only one study on this so that's the only thing we can really say, anecdotes and spiritual stuff aside. I've seen anons on here argue it increases their sex drive, others say it goes away. also porn seems to increase sex drive, hence the coomer meme, so porn might be necessary to keep men working and chasing women. SR feels the same as vegetarianism to me. it's a denial of your biological urges (whether sexual or food). of course, you also shouldn't go the complete other direction and become a gluttonous coomer
>>514769169sure, you can do what you want if youve given up hope, that's obvious.
>>514769308the solution is realizing being king retard of a dysgenic slave shipis delusional insanity>get rich or die tryinglol, how dumb are you?
>>514769375Not everyone is an old loser like you. I cba to keep replying to you when you make everything about your own perspective
>>514768236>Sex is REALLY overrated for the most partHype can kill the best games. Artificial scarcity, monopolies and subscription fees will prevent deeper engagement.
>>514769426>if you dont subscribe to my view you are old, and also a loser, haha>why are you making this about your view
When you're not stuffing holes constantly you have more opportunity to create. Imagine how much time you've wasted on pussy and it's insane. This is why marriage and breeding became institutions - you always have pussy on standby and don't need to dedicate excessive time to it, and it's reproductive.
>>514747816Mass censorship is one of the steps they implement to control degeneracy, unwanted men don't care about society, payment processors clamping down on porn/anime/onlyfans type stuff. There are intersecting issues, i.e. surveillance as a kike tool to reduce anti-Israel movements, searching for misinformation avenues to distract people with non-issues/first world problems, and reinforcement of covid style bootlicking. Those factories aren't coming back, and the elite don't care about how disengaged the bottom 70% are from the system, they're setting themselves up in bunkers and making up cowardly laws to try and legislate away political apathy. The richest men in the world go on TV just to gloat about their misery and come up with new stupid ways to make the most gullible think the system is working.
>>514769468>cant imagine anyone ever being rich and free you're just boring now. >>514769334porn and parasocial relationships are what's caused everyone to become shutins doing nothing with their lives
yes and white men with white families in white communities doing that is even more powerful which is what tptb fear and why whites are always under attack.
>>514751194Nofap and semen retention practices have made me not want to get married or have kids because it slowly but surely killed my sex drive over time. And also my general motivation for life.I'm currently suffering from post nofap syndrome (PNS). I haven't been able to cure it. I believe this syndrome hap pens to a small percentage of nofappers and it can be irreversible. I call it PNS because it seems similar in symptoms to post finasteride syndrome (PFS) that a small percentage of men get after using finasteride. Screwing with hormones and things related to sex can trigger a cascade of negative effects in the brain and body in those genetically vulnerable.Be warned about post nofap syndrome.
>>514769541>they're setting themselves up in bunkersThey went insane trying to pretend covid was a thing for two weeks. The bunkers are pacifiers for their minds.
>>514747816>shitty jump to hoops pilpul with "big" words>lenghty resource full pseudo backed multiple parragraph pilpulsure thing anon
>>514769566free to do what? that's my point. nothing worth doing.free to have access to the priviledge of a normal life with a wife and home and child?that should be basic, not platinum tier unlocked at the highest paywall
>>514747816is woke eggless white women who hate men and some christcucks that want to virtue signal with the lowest hanging fruit. please stop threatening the elites like they aren't 90% a bunch of retards
>the jewish and abrahamic attitude to sex and masturbation is schizophrenic and abusive, and as per usual, caused by circumcision trauma Christians (esp. white) are masking their humanity to remain safe under systemic oppression. The masks required are dysgenic sacrifices to produce and appease a hostile clergy. Though the pagan conquests and slavery did lay the groundwork for all of this. >castration and circumcision are tools of slavery, expanded by economic and political "needs"
>>514747816COOMERS RISE UP
>>514769993Women ensnared them into their goons. The pussy mafia is winning.
>>514757426>become enlightened hermits that dont care anymore about the rotten worldFunny enough, that when you go gooner hermit for long enough and become enlightened, you actually want to go back into the world to help others find the way out
>>514769375This is true. The fracturing of humanity is sad but necessary. To form something new that is not dysgenic is the only real way forward.
>>514760249>some of these layers being quite esotericWord to the wise: fap reverently and extend the peak moment of orgasm (no-mind) as long as possible. Extending orgasm peak is literally Super Meditation.
>>514769634In my case it lasts until a wet dream and after I wake up from it I have a diamond boner for no reason at all and can't stop shooting yellow coom for the rest of the day.This is the schedule I naturally developed after years of strict nofap and years of fap. t. 32 yo
>>514768412>you weak Machiavellians just act like cucks because you see your retarded "wife" as your "equal" so just let them walk over youA lot to unpack here. A lot to unpack throughout the thread. You make things so difficult. You lie so much. I don't know what's real sometimes. Do you not understand why I am worried? Do you not understand why I want to show you love and compassion. I wish you would be upfront with me instead of what you're doing.I don't think you're retarded and I want you to be my equal but I don't want you to walk all over me like you're doing now. I think you're a beautiful, smart, and misunderstood woman. You evoke so much love and sympathy from me. I can't help it.
>>514747816>masturbation is only bad if you don't want to get raped and killed by enemy countriesohhh ok them dang elites tried to trick me
>>514769368He is right, it is not worth it at all if you aren't a 7 feet tall Chad. You will get some pity sex before being locked down in marriage. Then she will cheat and you either cuck or get divorceraped.Good old times when women didn't work and had to pretend they love their 5'8" hubbies are long gone, now they are Gigachad only. Oh and niggers too, even short and fat ones, because the (((music))) made them cool.
Big Picture Effort Poast:if you're on /pol/ then by now you believe and accept that society is gradually collapsing, that we're years deep in conditions worse than weimar. we come here to commiserate around that shared view. but there are clear differences between two groups: those who have hope that things can get better, or those who believe that only after a collapse can we rebuild. of course you can get more granular than that, but in general it's optimism vs pessimism. optimists believe you can still get a white tradwife and have white babies, live a tradwife, and help reverse white pop. decline. pessimists disagree, that we're too terminally kiked and headed towards total niggerworld.if you're still hopeful, then abstaining from jacking off would give you more energy and focus to go that optimistic path. keep making more shekels, so you can show your strength and improve upon your condition, ultimately to start and maintain a family.if you're pessimistic, then it doesn't matter what you do. the world is on a crash-course, with high population growth across the worst types of subhumans (jeets, africans, nigs, arabs, mexicants, etc.). it doesn't matter if you jack off or don't jack off. we're doomed anyway. it doesn't matter if the elites want you to or not, obviously they make it very easy since porn is free and more accessible than non-porn content. obviously the highest elites practice semen retention, the most private ones, not publicly known dudes like bezos.>tee el deee err for those with so much brainrot they can't read more than a paragraph:you're either optimistic or pessimistic. if you're optimistic for a better brighter whiter future, then not jacking off and not having casual sex is logical and practical. if you're pessimistic then you just wanna witness a major happening, or somehow die painlessly if you don't even care about that future happening.pic rel is britslag hwood actress with 2 daughters.
>>514770373Longterm/permanent PNS only happens in a minority of cases.With regards to your "for some reason", the reason is that semen retention crashes testosterone and cooming causes a surge in testosterone back to normal (or temporarily higher than normal overshoot in testosterone levels) which makes you extra horny and dick extra hard.I learnt this in my extensive scientific research into my chronic condition (Because I noticed the same effect as you back when my body was still kinda working).
>goy stop fapping and go die for israelfapping is antisemitic
one moar thing....nofap/noporn is free. you quite literally just do nothing. it costs $0. no one benefits from it (except for you). no porn sites get traffic from it. no activity is given to google or whatever. the time and energy you save, you can do something else, or just save it.but keep in mind there is some weird connection between sex and risk-taking behavior (business, trading, gambling). this morning i wanted to drive to the casino and play, to chase past losses. instead i just beat off and the urge went away.if you're into neuroscience then you prefer to explain it in terms of brain chemicals, dopamine. the urge to fuck, or simply thinking about sex with hot women, is also distracting. i have had mixed results. sometimes i get immediate postnut clarity which helps me focus on tasks. sometimes i get exhausted and can't do anything. so for me it's hard to stay, maybe due to my own body and age.but a young man in his prime, teens and 20s, jacking off is definitely not good and kills his motivation. for a 30-40s guy at the end of his rope, who just needs to forget about banging sluts, it may help relieve that distracting urge. sex is similar to hunger, once you satisfy the urge, it will eventually come back. you also have a desire for variety. try eating the same meal every day, gets boring, even if it's tasty.
we have a recurring thread on /x/ about this. i helped start it a year ago, but ironically i failed since i'm a pessimist. some other anons kept it going:>>>/x/41014315
>>514747816No thanks, I’d rather remain a NEET and milk my cock to free 4K 60 fps free porn every day.
>>514771018>it costs nothingWhat are you, retarded? Men are born with a biological addiction to women's secondary sexual characteristics and a constant build up of sperm which needs to be released like a backed up hose. The basic impulse is positive and imposed naturally, therefore it exerts energy to not engage in masturbation, and porn, disproportionately made by women, exploits men in this way.Also, learn to capitalize midwit.
>>514747816Semen is your life force. Masturbation takes it from you, and it takes long to regenerate. Your body works overtime when you coom and sucks vital vitamins/minerals/essence from the body to make up for it. I have studied many religions, monks, spirirtual teachers, and the like. Its all the same. You are supposed to have sex with a woman, not your hand. I know we aren't saints here, but telling people the "elites are against masturbation" is the biggest load of shit I have ever seen on this topic.
>>514771084didn't need to scroll far before seeing the >I'm getting a lot of looks from girls sorry anons but this is cope. there's guys sleeping with girls the first night they meet them, this whole getting looks stuff is just cringe. SR with the goal of getting women means you've fallen for the >women choose the best genetics meme. women can't even figure out if the felon with neck tattoos is going to be abusive, you really think they can figure out if you've just coomed? you really think women are out there choosing the most upstanding characters from society they can find? the guys on SR who workout and go to work? the talentless coomer drummer in a shitty local band has no problem getting girls. stop projecting your idealized version of masculinity on to chads.
Really good book. I'm glad you read it and I managed to get others to do the same. The pursuit of truth and reason is only the more imperative when you've got stooges in government and big business trying to stamp it out because it's inconvenient. I only got a few hundred pages in before I gave it up. Too stressed out lately to concentrate for long. What I find astounding is how many sources he cites to back up his arguments (it's in the several hundred), yet people still actively dismiss it like it's somehow wrong. At the very least you have to admit that sexual hedonism and social norms around sexuality break down when societies are in a state of collapse. Even if you contest the notion that they lead to societal ruin, at the very least its clear as day they go hand in hand when society is in turmoil. I want to get my hand on the Kinsey studies at some point but last I checked Amazon wanted $80 for that shit and I said no way.
>>514770781But is it a bad thing? Testosterone enlarges your prostate, gives you norwood, stresses your heart, bloats your face and ages your skin. If you keep it at the bottom, you will look and feel 20 in your 40s. If you keep it at the top, you will look and feel 40 in your 20s.
>>514771517>jeet manlet who eats cowshit and is weaker than a White teen girl argues that low testosterone is good for you
>>514747816I believe that. All I need is my shitty job, my shitty apartment, and chump change for hobbies. I'm always happy and satisfied while all my non-coomer friends are jumping through hoops trying to be happy. They're all in therapy and fail to grasp the basics of happiness.
>>514771517It's DHT that causes these things, you can stull have benefits of high T and at the same time lower DHT by taking a low dose of finasteride. Finasteride was originally prescribed to shrink the prostate, but they noticed people's hair growing back so it was then also marketed as a hair loss prevention drug.
>>514771745So you are taking it yourself? Then it has to be the reason for your ED, not nofap.
>>514771634> t.
>>514771517>testosterone bad this is your mind on mass media. lmao at you. T makes you take risks, makes you sail oceans and climb mountains. but your first thought is about hair, your thinking is feminine anon.
>>514771277not a strong argument, faggot glownigger. but i get what you're saying. self-restraint requires energy. so does doing something. example: if i want to eat tacobell, i have to physically go get tacobell. getting it satisfies this craving. much like how beating off satisfies this need to release cum from my peepee and feel good. keep in mind this requires energy even though i live within walking distance. i also have to spend money to buy the tacobell, money that didn't come from thin air, it's fiat i had to work for like a wagie.if i simply say "no" to the tacobell, and do nothing, sure that requires energy, but a much smaller amount of energy than going to get the tacobell. same goes for cooming from porn, it takes more energy to browse and find a good clip, than the second it takes me to say "no" to myself in my mind. saying "no" to yourself is a core part of self-control, even though it is simple.go stroke your dick if you wanna do it so badly.
>>514770436t.- woman that hates her hubby finds porn more alluring than her buck broken roast beef
>>514771881you're focusing on unnatural T from roids. the discussion in this thread is about the T your body naturally produces.
>>514771517YEAH BUT IM JACKED AS FUCK FAGGOT SUCK ON EM
>>514747816It's called indirection and sublimation, with a bit of symbolic substitution (eg money). Not all that complicated.
>>514771895Well the only man in his early 30s with a slim wife and a fucking kid out of hundreds of scientists at my uni is a vegetarian 6 feet tall Chad with big jaw and long hair. He has no muscles whatsoever btw, just the jaw and hair.Everyone else is an incel regardless of how much meat they eat and how much they work out.Indeed, the world became feminine, it is all about looks, not about deeds. Your achievements don't matter, just be tall and look good.
>>514772048>vegetarian 6 feet tall Chad+ forgot to add he is an atheist and pro-LGBT all the way.So yes, the world belongs to Lucifer and he rewards his children with good looks and happy families.We, faithful children of Christ, must suffer our whole lives alone, get disappointed in everyone and everything and die with a smile on our faces because this shit is finally over.
>>514771949You are going to keep me up all night again thinking about you. You don't know how hard you make things for me.I already know that you're a goonette and I already gathered that you hate your husband. I don't blame you.But some of your post was a clear reference to me, like many of your other posts. And I wanted to tell you that I didn't intentionally hurt you.
>>514760488checkedPogroms used to be regular and that kept the jews in check throughout most of history. That ended in 1945 and here we are with the worst society in all of history.
>>514771808I started 3 months ago, and since then my sex drive increase from a 1/10 to a 2/10. So it's a step in the right direction. I stopped proper nofap 5 years ago (after 10 years of practice) because libido perma suppressed.I still get morning wood nearly every morning but there is no feeling to go along with it.It's like practicing semen retention hardwired my brain over time to not have sexual feelings anymore. Or only very mild feelings sometimes. It changed my brain into a celibate monk. But my body functions still work. Just the feelings and emotions related to libido sex drive got almost completely switched off and I'm trying to figure out how to turn my brain back on, because the sex drive gives a lot of motivation to do things in life.
>>514747816It isn't lost on me that Taylor Swift gets engaged, within days and to literally no one's surprise, 10 million TikTok women make wanting to start settling down a conversation, and a week later the porn companies are prepping for censorship. This shit is all so fucking fake. If they wanted actual conservatism they could've started with ending usury, women's voting rights, or rounding up browns by the thousands instead of hundreds but instead they're putting Jewish women's boobs in our faces like Sweeney and targeting the dumbest shit like porn instead. Taptaptap
>>514766030>why does associating with women make a male valuable?because women hate each other and are in constant competition with one another, so if she can "win" you away from the other girls, it means she's "special" in her mind.
>>514772273I just hate female nature.
>>514772301Because they don't want to actually change anything, they don't think it's a core issue that requires fundamental changes being introduced (or rather, retarded changes of the last decades being reversed), they think a small paint job will do the trick and will fix the broken engine. They're detached from reality
>>514771949I am not buck broken and I am in good physical condition. I am broken but I am not buck broken. I like women.I am sorry that you had to go through that. I am sorry that you had your feelings hurt.
>>514772484Actually, maybe it's for the best that my sex drive is low so that i don't chase after modern women, and all the time wastery and cuckery that's involved.
>>5147723013PM is 1500 moron!
The elites want you to procreate. It's a cycle of never-ending suffering. They want you to produce more kids so they can toil away the best years of their lives while the elites reap the benefits. The old farts in power will take heaps of debt. They're not paying it back. You and your kids will. That's why masturbation is a sin. You need to pay that seed inside a vile orifice of a f*male, goy! We need more cattle! Procreate and produce more slaves so we can keep making money! In exchange, here is some lame ass propaganda about how your poor slave ass is gonna be replaced by this brown muzzie slave ass. Feel free to kill each other like a bunch of fools. In the end, we win. Both of you lose.
>>514772783Not just modern, women have always been pure evil, but in the past they had to pretend they aren't just to survive. Now when Jews have liberated them, they can be proud of their demonic nature.
>>514747816masturbation is very sad once you're oldernothing special about it
>>514773049Yup, the rich want you to produce more miserable slaves, who will be raised by the State at your expense.
>>514773049You don't have to feel ashamed and embarrassed with me. I understand that you have needs along with crushed dreams. I am sorry.You deserve better. You are worthy of something better.I am sorry that I unintentionally hurt your feelings but I do think that you're cute. I really do.>You need to pay that seed inside a vile orifice of a f*male, goy!That's the dream.
>>514773238>>514772698>>514772259>>514770436nigger nigger giga nigger faggot holy kek >I like women lmao fuck off to normie social media normgroid attention whore.
>>514747816Counterpoint: islam.
>>514773522Based incelbro. Good luck moving to Canada or wherever you want.Chuds of all races must unite!
>>514773049I'll message you again tomorrow. I am going to try to get some sleep but I probably won't be able to. Please take care of yourself. I do worry about you a lot. You're constantly on my mind. I love you and I want to satisfy your needs. I know I can make you happy if you let me.
>>514773091fuck...
>>514773684dont want to move there,if i do it will be for reasons (i cant post it here) .
>>514747816I masturbated so much I was able to reverse engineer than fabric of reality I wish I was joking
>>514774284put that same effort to your husband,show that love and care to him instead of posting here to random strangers,kikes,glowniggers,troons and such,do us a favour and get the fuck away from here,normgroid nigger.
how is *not* masturbating 'just do what feel good' tho? doesnt make sense.
>>514765946>another that wants to elevate metamorph humankind.There is no way on God's green Earth that a faction with these ideals has been left alive by the people who won WW2.
>>514761063The method is that you develop motivations for things that don't directly involve your sex drive. It's not easy because it takes passion, intelligence, and focus, but it is really the key thing that makes you not an NPC.
>>514747816Sane gay men have been resposible for all of human progress. Straight males always end up doing what some entitled, manipulative woman wants. And giving her the keys of the kingdom just for her to destroy everything on a wim or to prove a point.
>>514763884that's quite metaphysical anon. I appreciate these kinds of approaches to analysing voids
>>514761833Agreed.>>514761970>From the first lines of OP pic, it seemed to go into: fappers are too busy fapping to build or conquer civilizations.No, fappers are no longer useful slave armies for kings who want to conquer civilizations.>>514762521Getting pussy, having kids, having a legacy when you're old. Yes, pretty much. Only men care about this. Women don't give a shit about legacy because at the end of the day, this is a warping of the male sex drive. It is the language with which men make mate choices.Obviously by the comments, you can see not everyone agrees. I would say that's probably because these people are too busy coping about their current situation. It hits close to home.>>514763154I would say it's the opposite. Under 20, and you're doing things largely for disciplinary reasons. Of course you are attracted to girls and you'll do things to get their attention, but most men don't grow into their sexuality until later in life.>>514763379It's more complicated than the hypergamy story. It's not just women flocking to the top 20%. It's women not flocking to ANY men at all because society has given them the privilege to have all of their needs met without engaging in reproductive behavior. Yes, they'll still seek sex, but they'll no longer seek commitment once they have the security that comes with a six figures office job in any random city in the US.>>514764901>I don't think it's possible to retain semen 100% of the time forever, married or monk, but you're supposed to resist wanking for weeks at least, get so horny and desperate for sex that you go outside, and force yourself by desperation for sex to find a woman who's actually your match (not your ideal ego chef-maid-slambabe but an actual real person)Ok sure. Now, who is in control in this situation? I don't think your dick overriding your mind to occasionally do something good is a healthy relationship with your mind/body.
>>514762173>make a woman understand circumsisionShe never understands she just learns to manipulate you by saying what will shut you up.
>>514747816Ungodly amounts of autism
>>514770141>Funny enough, that when you go gooner hermit for long enough and become enlightened, you actually want to go back into the world to help others find the way oIronically this. gooning works as kind of meditation by extending your orgasmes or plateau and hermitage gives you a kind of supreme stand alone perspective detached by the medium. Thus you become more generous, positive. Because you've left away the most basic obsessions as a human already.Once you've accomplished the high status as an existence, only thing left to do is giving attention to others by that positive manner, preaching your precious lessons to other people as well. Your attention is the most precious gift you can give to other. Use it well.
>>514764851>Men build shit because they want to see it built.You'd be shocked at how rare that is.>>514765373Agreed. I think it has some benefits, but need for it is overstated.>>514765885>I think the nofap stuff from ancient times came from nutrients actually being scarce, in which case of course you can see why wanking 5x a day would kill and drain you slowly Very good point. It's trivial for a modern person to lift weights, eat steak, and sleep in a quiet and safe place for as long as you need to. It is like a single day reset.>>514766630Based. If you don't get anything from membership to an organization, you have no obligation to do anything for it.>>514768236>Assumption that masturbation removes sex drive is a bit crazy to begin with - likely made by some very detached people.Everyone is affected by the refactory period.>>514770716I'm just more individualistic than that. I don't it as the entire world has to be lockstep with my actions/beliefs, nor my actions/beliefs with it.I retain some benevolent tendencies, but I will not allow myself to be dragged down by a collapsing society, whether that means reproducing in spite of it or making the best of the life that I have.The idea of purpose and virtue are much harder to define when there will be zero biological trace of me on earth in ~50 years.>>514771659Based.>>514772301Sign tappers are right yet again.
>>514773641Islamic society pales in comparison to Christian society, but both are leagues better than most societies that have ever existed. Things would also be quite different if western leaders weren't propping up frauds like the Saudis. Look at how they went after guys like Saddam, Gaddafi, etc. Every single good leader that has come out of Islamic civilization has been killed by Christian civilization.
Wow, finally a thread that doesnt begin with "its happening" or "ultimate blackpill", but is rather nuilt up with well reasoned assertions.
>>514776265you know, the only reason the human species has survived so long as to the degree it has is that it has the innate capability to survive
>>514760246Nope, nobody is buying that anymore.
>>514747816That's why slaves were circumcised.
>>514760038Coomer cope.
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>>514747816You're spot on. This is also the reason why they won't legalise prostitution. If I can just pay for sex I don't need to put up with living with some nagging woman who uses her pussy to control me.
>>514747816Masturbating still makes you want sex and you will work to get it.If you neither masturbate nor have sex and you are completely asexual then your logic makes sense. Then you really won't chase whatever to get pussy. You will just be like some Buddhist monk, chilling smiling, not wanting or needing anything but basics. If you masturbare you get wish to do it for real, your brain is not getting off on you in room with porn it's getting off on idea of you doing what they do in porn. So brain will tell you go make it happen its great let's go we can do it its worth it. You will get suckered back in also.If you really want to say fuck you society you must become asexual and stop using money completely don't even touch it. This is freedom. Internal freedom.
>>514751108>birth rate is destabilizing>not the result of destabilization
>>514767507im not mutilated kike golem,i dont need porn and lube to jerk off.projection 101.now what?
>>514747816Nice try. Still gonna start nofap tho.
>>514766886Either share more info or stfu
>>514766205this anon gets it, picrel.
>>514751194The elites making dating apps Where women are all fucking the same top 5% of Chads has effectively nuked marriage and reproduction. The bottom 2/3 of men never had a shot. So it’s inconsequestial that the bottom 85% of men are sexless porn addicted hand fuckers.
>>514787370Wrong. Dating and fertility rates have collapsed in places where dating apps aren't used by the majority.
>>514787370Global phenomenon. It's weird to me how people get so stuck on a single explanation for something when evidence is widely available that contradicts it.
>>514747816So, i guess the end of society is literally porn
>>514751194>>514756788>>514760379the jews promote porn and masturbating when people question banking and politics. they oppose it when people stop working like slaves for shekelstein and roastiesthis >>514756734 anon is right. porn is being increasingly controlled in the West, with hentai being outright banned because they provide an uncontrollable alternative. you must live as a workhorse begging for rotten scraps, and any alternatives must be outlawed.
