Do europeans even realize that? From this point Russia fully commits to the East as West turned out to be a shitty unreliable partner.
>>515286163Nah it will come back it'll just be shipped on a boat through Putin and Trump's arctic trade lane. Ukraine has to be done before that happens, though.The funniest part is they're going to be made to pay even more than they already did. Good strategy for a get rich quick money grab ngl.
Being a chink's slave is nothing to be proud of Sir gay
>>515286375Nord stream or pipeline gas is not the same as LNG.Also there is no arctic trade line with trump, however Russian acrtic LNG gas is being sold currently to China.
>>515286163Hope it works well for you. But isn't that the same pipe line China isn't really interested in?
>>515286163Europe is lost unless they start killing killing Jews in mass.
>>515286163Nobody cares kike
>>515286163oh nonot a shockanything but a shock
>>51528637550iq take
>>515286163More like Russia turned out to be a shitty unreliable partner.Also the pipeline is going to have to be built on Russia's dime without any Chinese support.
>>515287400Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>515286424what if she was qt?
>>515286163The east isn’t fully committed to Russia lol. This pipeline is hilarious, Russia pays for it, and china gets to buy gas from it at Russian domestic rates. Russians trying to spin this as anything other than bending over and spreading their cheeks to attract China is just coping. Personally I don’t think it will be finished before your economy collapses (again)
>>515287400Never gonna get built. Chinks don't even use the existing pipe to capacity. It's a retarded headline for the gopniks that will be memoryholed in a week, when some other big project get's announced.
>>515286163>"Oh no, gas will become cheaper!"Kikes.
>>515288177Russia already supplies China with gas thought Power of Siberia-1.Another pipeline started being built and will be pumping the gas to China that was meant to be sold to EU at first.
>>515288504Gas will get cheaper for China, that's the point of the thread.European so-called economy or industry have been built on that gas but its over, this time for real.There was also a huge project for turks but they wanted to have full control over it so it got sacked because of the risks.
>>515288649>will be built At your expense >pumping the gas to China that was meant to be sold to EUAt Russian domestic rates instead of market rates
>>515288649>will be builtlol.lmao even. Before or after you get indoor plumbing?
>>515289090>russians are paying to get assraped, as long as its not by westernersThey are a weird bunch of people
>>515288177>This pipeline is hilariousHow are gas, oil and electricity prices lately in the Czech Republic?
>>515289090>expensesThe financing scheme is just being decided on, the route goes through Yamal all the way down to Mongolia, it's the biggest project of this caliber so far in the world so it will take some time before they finish it.There is also Power of Siberia-3 which is going to be an extension of existing domestic pipeline from Sahalin.
>>515286163European 'leaders' lol you gotta laugh, 300 years of cheap clean energy, no thanks let's bankrupt ourselves instead and destroy all of Europe. They all deserve the rope
May we see it?
>>515286163Like we’ve all forgotten the pressure campaigns when the gas wouldn’t flow due to ‘technical failures’. We’ll make do and you can start selling at a loss to the chinks
Whats the problem? Europe has gas reserves and US sells LNG to us. No way Europe will give Russia this kind of power ever again.
>>515286163>China and Russia linked up!>Sneed it or feed it?Based beyond words.
>>515290109no
>>515289942Fine?I paid about 10000kc for gas over the last year, which is a little less than 1/5th of what I make after tax in 1 month
>>515290507Or, to explain it differently, I make enough by working for 4 days to cover the amount of gas I use in 365 days
>>515289942you're misunderstanding the situation. The biggest consumer of energy are always enterprises and factories, not households.Government will also most likely prioritize citizens over businesses, however that means economic downtrends, which is what I am implying.>>515290236Norway has limited supply of oil and gas
Not only that, but the Yamal gas fields initially intended for delivering gas to Europe will be diverted to Power of Siberia 2. The deliveries will start in 2030 and will contractually last for 30 years. Even if sane, not terminally retarded people like Ursula somehow take over in Europe, they won't be able to negotiate any gas from Russia. The president who takes over after Putin won't be able to redivert supply to Europe either. This means energy price inflation in Europe won't stop. Deindustrialization in Europe won't stop. They won't be able to afford having any kind of industry. Besides tourism, frankly there's no idea how are they even going to have an economy at all. Barring some magic miracle, Europe is about to experience an era of poverty and irrelevance which would most closely resemble the early medieval right after the collapse of Rome. Oh well
>>515289942Can't say about czechs, but here NG is cheaper then in 2021.
>>515290507do you have a generator powered by gas or some shit?
>>515291274>you’re all going to freeze and starve and deindustrialise!Meanwhile >>515291327>>515290659
>>515291717>muh GDP
i welcome itTurn to Asian 3B+ markets and factories of the world Vietnam, Thailand, China, India, Indonesia etc. will be hundreds of millions people markets that produce everything Its the right choice no matter what happens in oinkraine or gayrope
>>515291751What measure would you prefer? Feel free to post a chart of it for your country as an example >>51529163010,000 Kč is like 400 euros for the year
>>515286163>Kandy WongReally... IDGAF, KYS
>>515292046how do you have lights on and electricity for your devices?
>>515286163>West turned out to be a shitty unreliable partner.how much propaganda, copium, or low lvl iq shit u got to be to announce this point. Russia is the world greatest wasted potential in this timeline. Before soviet union u had the chance -> greatest natural resources, great academic foundation, and then psychopaths stole your country away, and u still to this day believe this anti west propaganda. Russia has become a net negative force for the world -> we could be so far ahead on so many front as, but no got to have this warmongerin criminal at the lead, and once again the game is whos is Adolfs best friend. Republican party wants only more money to rich people. Who knows what China really wants ? And then there is Eu who just wants better world for all of us... fuken sad...
>>515291274Nobody tell this nigger how we’ve been buying Russian gas since the beginning through various Middle East intermediaries and how we’re the only major European economy not only not about to fail and risk bail out, but actively growing and innovating thanks to the first stable government here since the 60s. Meloni might be retarded, but at least line go up. Not all of Europe is Germany, Poбoтник
>>515286163Having Russia committing to China would be the best outcome. They may act all buddy buddy now but historically, China still holds a grudge against them for a number of historical border skirmishes and territory disputes going back to Stalin. And the Chinese are known to hold grudges for a long time. The Russians are also none to pleased about a number of military collaboration projects with Mikoyan that fell through due to the Chinese copying their designs and manufacturing bootleg copies that cut into their export market.
>>515292319Oh, you want to include electricity as well? We only get like 6% of our electricity from gas
>>515293047seems like you were never dependent on gas from russia in the first place
>>515293047you're misunderstanding the situation.First of all, the gas still flows to Europe but throught he Turkstream and not in a big quantities.Russia also massively ramped up the LNG production and we sell it to EU countries.However the sole purpose of Nord stream was to power the German economy with cheap gas.It was so much gas they were actually using market price to sell it on the EU market, racking in billions.So, what actually happened is German economy and manufacturing being obliterated.
>>515290807Europa has at least half of Russias gas reserves untapped in the ground.
>>515286163Good and never come back
>>515286163If nothing else you could use the gas to gas all the Jews. Just sayin'.
told you fucks as much more than 2 years ago
>>515286163Money talks. Its all coming back once this Ukraine shit is over. Europe will pay more than any third world country you're selling to
>>515294269its being rerouted.
>>515294090I honestly have zero respect for polandNever amounted to anything and always bitched about everyoneForming alliances based on who you have the least resentment forCould never be me
Nigger i will tell you something:Solar and Wind make up more than 20% of teh current german energy market.If you didnt bribe our retarded politicansx we could have more than 60-70% by now.Why the fuck should we import gas from you if we can create our own energy from sun, wind and geothermy?
>>515286375How is every single american post retarded except for this >>515286990
>>515288177>I'm incapable of understanding so I repeat the news
>>515294909I thought this was a joke, but it's not...If Europe isn't going to use Russian energy, then it needs to go nuclear.
>>515292689Holy shitWhat happened to Italian postersThey used to be retarded
>>515295099We are not going nuclear because it takes 20+ years to built a nuclear reactor these days.There arent mini reactors avaible on the market that hold their premiseWe would need to import Uran from shitholes like Kazachstan
>>515291274Yadda yadda we froze 3 years ago don't you remember? Surely it will happen now.
>>515294909>60/70%nice numbers you pulled out of your assdo you produce them like eggs or just store them in there?
>>515294671show the gaza suez pipeline map
>>515286990This, The Ukrainian girl thing is just a distraction so the idiots don't notice that Netanyahu attacked the Palestinian negotiators. That damn psychopath doesn't want peace because he knows he'll go to prison.
>>515286163>oh no what shall we do without Russian gasno idea, ask your jew-loving buddy Orban
>>515294269>Its all coming backnope
>>515295609Anon, Russia is a whore waiting at a gas station. Russia prefers a European pimp over a Chinese one.
>>515286163Are you now pretending that cutting off nord stream was your idea? Kek, we don't want your gas anymore retard.
>>515286163>Nord stream gas is never coming back
>>515288649>will be pumping the gas togasoline status?
>>515289942>How are gas, oil and electricity prices lately
>>515286163AIIIEE! PUTIN-SAMA! HAVE MERCY!!We are all freezing to death!
>>515294909
>>515295720anon, you don't have to convince me, i know that it won't for a fact
>>515291751>>muh GDP
>>515296256>gasoline status?eggs crisis status?
>>515295372Do I look like a google to you nigger
>>515291983>i welcome it>Turn to Asian 3B+ markets and factories of the world>Vietnam, Thailand, China, India, Indonesia etc. will be hundreds of millions people markets that produce everything>Its the right choice no matter what happens in oinkraine or gayrope
oh, magyar cygany is alive and kicking
>>515295251Nobody talking about freezing. Just without cheap resources your industry will lose competition to Chinese and American. Also you won't have money for free gibs and lose your advantage before USA like social privileges. Though the most gifted and hardworking again will go to the North America.Congratulations, you were pawned and owned by Uncle Sam and Langley boys.
Should someone tell OP that euros don't want to do business with Russia?
>>515286163If chinks are told that they either do business with the west or you, who do you think they'll pick?
>>515295099we are already nuclear. we dont need more nuclear. we have our own gas and we can import it from the USA anyway. we mostly need less coal, which we can do quite easily with solar and wind over time. for example, currently 20% of our electricity usage is through wind and solar, and we are projected to go to 30% in only 10 years. another emerging market is hydrogen gas for heavy industry, which the netherlands is pioneering and which will power our and the german industry in due course
>>515293958the reality is nordstream 2 was a bribe to germany to allow russia to invade the baltics and poland
>>515296527https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2025/09/08/3-chasovie-ocheredi-i200-rublei-zalitr-okkupirovannuyu-rossiei-donetskuyu-oblast-ohvatil-toplivnii-kollaps-a173865>>515296527>eggs crisis status?eggs are dirt cheap here pidoraskahttps://cenoteka.rs/p/jaja-klasa-m-10kom/
>>515296527>eggs crisis status?huh?
>>515296940solar and wind are not viable
>>515286163You lost the European market, the market that soviets built for decades, have fun.
>>515286163Pretty much, yeah. After spending 30 years with good diplomatic and commercial relation between Europe and Russia and Russia using that as leverage to invade Ukraine twice and threaten the rest of Europe; there would have to be some very serious commitments from Russia to restore commerce to the way it was.Commitments that Russians, the eternal bloodthirsty warmongers, don't want to make.
>>515296777"Muhh resources...muhh owned by Uncle Sam...." Shut the fuck up zigger, your future is going to die for millionaire subhuman apes and its coming soon
>>515297084Says who? It's already viable, nerd. In the Netherlands 57% of electricity is from solar and wind.
>>515286163>Do europeans even realize that?Probably very few do. Becoming increasingly poorer has become the new normal. Sadly, it'll be a long time before many people equate their continually decreasing quality of life with the self-destructive actions of their governments, then they may spring into action, but it's already too late.
>>515297140>le bad russia invadercan you fucking stop already?
>>515297676>>le good russia invader
>>515297676Can Russia stop invading other countries?
>>515297815What country did Russia invade?
>>515297864since the fall of the wall? chechnya twice, georgia, ukraine twice, kazakhstan. you're weaponizing "refugees" by forcing them over your border into poland and there's countless other meddling you do since russia wrote the book on glownigger faggotry
>>515297864Georgia and Ukraine.
>>515286163>Do europeans even realize that? FYes. The EU will buy LNG at world market prices, and that is a good thing for Russia.
>>515297676>Russians STILL posting this minor controversy 11 years later when the context of said conversation was that the EU was not taking a hard enough stance against Russia mainly because of Merkel who is already long gone from German politics
>>515286375>The funniest part is they're going to be made to pay even more than they already did.LNG is traded at world market prices, while the EU could pit Norway and Russia against each other to get cheap pipeline gas. Fuck the EU.
>>515298012>>515298054wait I thought they pulled out the financing for NAFO, are you doing it fo free?Caught me by surprise, I was thinking I'm talking to some real anons and not discord troon subhumans
>>515297864dindu nothing?
>>515286492>however Russian acrtic LNG gas is being sold currently to China.It doesn't matter where it's sold, as LNG is one world market.
>>515288177>and china gets to buy gas from it at Russian domestic rates.How will the EU compete with higher energy costs than the USA, China, Russia and India?Truth is they can't.
>>515298154>american officials conducting a CIA coup in country on the russian border>american diplomat literally saying "fuck the EU" on the tapped phone>"minor controversy"this war is a direct consequence of that, is it also minor?
>>515298233https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes>"And you are lynching Negroes" (Russian: "A y вac нeгpoв линчyют", romanized: A u vas negrov linchuyut; which also means "Yet, in your [country], [they] lynch Negroes") is a catchphrase that describes or satirizes Soviet responses to
>>515298233>wait I thought they pulled out the financing for NAFO,You didn't really think that.
>>515298386>muh cia coup>muh color revolutionthis war is a direct consequence of russian 'gibsmedats' paranoid-schizoid nigger mindset
>shitty unreliable partnerThat's why nobody does business with you anymore. Enjoy becoming a slave vassal state to chinks.
>>515286163>From this point Russia fully commits to the EastGood. We didn't like you anyway.
>>515298233Russia isn't the USSR, therefore Ukraine is a country.If you want to pretend that Russia is the USSR then we should add Afghanistan, Poland, the Baltics, the entirety of Latin America through proxy guerrillas and puppet governments, etc.Without the USSR half of XX century wars wouldn't have happened. The Russians' biggest contribution to humanity continues to be endless war and good literature (none written during Putin's mandate.)
>>515298501You'll have expensive energy no matter who started it, and Dutch industry will struggle because of it. Moralfagging is expensive.
>>515298283Arctic LNG is newly developed site that Russia put a lot of effort into and that Biden literally wanted to destroy (its currently under immense amount of sanctions).China started buying it recently showing it doesn't give a fuck about them, which is really important for China-Russia business relationships
>>515298509>We didn't like you anywayThe UK has Europe's highest energy prices, and you need your export industry to export to keep your standard of living. What is your plan?
>>515298585yea yea, and then we will freeze to death. I've been hearing it for 10 years
>>515298502Nord stream was bombed during NATO "exercises".It was self-inflicted wound or rather a dagger in the vassals back by USA.
>>515286163>Nord stream gas is never coming back. Do europeans even realize that?Some may still hope so, but if Russia contractually and factually commits that gas to China we are shit out of luck.And that seems to be reality.>From this point Russia fully commits to the East as West turned out to be a shitty unreliable partner.We always were, but we usually ended up paying anyway.'But now that the mask has slipped and we (our leaders that is) openly refer to Russia as an enemy, then I think any partnership is a fantasy.And for what really?It is a US proxy war against Russia, for some reason Ukraine and the rest of Europe has to pay for it... to gain... nothing.Usually wars are done or prolonged to gain something, but there is none of that in this war.Russia is getting stronger by the war while we are getting weaker (and poorer).We are also losing money directly as well as indirectly by losing access to cheap energy and an actual partner that can make functioning nuclear reactors.Even if one hates Russia, the logic is obvious.End the involvement in the war now.But this project is not run by rational beings (on our end), not anyone with economic literacy or the best interest of their countries at heart.
>>515298624>Arctic LNG is newly developed site that Russia put a lot of effort intoI know, but LNG will still be sold at the world market price. China might have a discount for now, but it won't last.
>>515298708A russian flag lying on the internet? Unthinkable. We will all enjoy seeing your complete collapse. A weak pathetic excuse of a country that will get balkanized.
>>515298818
>>515286163dont cope. From the meeting last weeks came nothing. The stocks from russian energy infrastructure companys even dropped after that because it destroyed all hope that china would step in for lost western customers. That alone says it all. China just uses Russia as whore. The energy flow to chine from russia even dropped in the last months.
>>515298695>yea yea, and then we will freeze to death. I've been hearing it for 10 yearsWe will have to thank our lucky star that we are de-industrializing at almost the same pace as we lose access to cheap energy.
>>515298801LNG and pipe gas are two different things.
>>515286163Europeans have pot heater technology now.
>>515298688We were only ever a secondary customer of Russia's and we don't sell them anything they can't continue to buy thelrough and intermediary like Kazakhstan. Having Russia muzzled by Daddy Xi protecting his European markets is unironically a good thing.
>>515298717 >wars are done or prolonged to gain something, but there is none of that in this war.We genocide russia and pillage their resources
>>515298695No. Expensive energy makes it hard for Fitch industries to compete against those that has cheap electricity. Salaries will have to come down if your industries are to compete on the world market with high energy costs.
>>515298717>and factually commits that gas to China we are shit out of luck.Sweden and Norway could just stop exporting electricity, and we'll have cheaper energy than the rest of the world, because Hydroelectric is the cheapest of them all.
>>515286424>faggots start war with Russia>faggots lose war with Russia>Russia takes their resources to China>HURR RUZZIANS ARE CHINESE SLAVES!!!!!!!!!Just faggot things
>>515298878>LNG and pipe gas are two different things.It's just traded differently. You use nuclear power to make pipe gas into LNG, and that btw tells us that nuclear power is cheaper than pipe gas.
>>515299113
>>515286163Europeans don't like to accept the fact that European nations are vassal states in the American Empire.Pawns on the chessboard.
>>515298940You still have Europe's highest energy prices. Norway might even stop exporting electricity to the UK this winter, and then it will be even more expensive. The UK can't afford all the moralfagging that you do.
>32pbtidkek he mad
>>515298954>We genocide russia and pillage their resourcesAre you one of those that say that nukes are not real?
>>515299143lol the eu is bombing their refineries and they act like russia must sell them gas. what a bunch of faggots
>>515299057>Sweden and Norway could just stop exporting electricity, and we'll have cheaper energy than the rest of the world, because Hydroelectric is the cheapest of them all.Yeah.Unfortunately you will have to struggle to find larger EU cuckolds than our political elites.We are even building MORE export cables to Europe when what we should to is blow up the existing ones and build more nuclear (preferably Russian since they are the world leaders in the field with default efficiency over 105%).So relative to what we should do, we are all living in opposite land and the result is obvious.The energy companies are laughing all the way to the bank though, even if they pretend to lose money.Except for the wind energy producers who are actually losing money... on energy.
Hahahah holy shit what a thread, the absolute state of Russian cope.
>>515298717>russia stronk>Europe weak>we euros must surrender to russia they goodboi who dindu nuffinVery convincing, Per Persson of Lulea oblast.
ooph slovak peasant big mad>>515296975>>515297030memoryholed, got it
>>515299169Pipeline gas was delivered to Germany on long-running term contracts for very cheap in massive quantities that they then sold on market.The delivery of such gas is also very cheap after you get the infrastructure going compared to the sea transportation.I also don't know what you're arguing about to be honest, these are just different situations all together
lets review his selected posts>>515297775XxXnoinvaderXxX420
>>515299276>moralfaggingNorwegians should be the first to see the dangers of appeasement. You'll get richer without Russia in the picture and we have our own comfy arrangements with the nicer end of the ME. We'll be fine and Russia will be a vassal state of the more stable Chinese. Win win win.
>>515299553
>>515299389>Unfortunately you will have to struggle to find larger EU cuckolds than our political elites.I'm sure we can find the in Eastern Europe, but I take you point. >So relative to what we should do, we are all living in opposite land and the result is obvious.It's hard to hate them so much they deserve.
>>515298461hm hm hm, thoughts?
>>515299621
>>515286163Russia should have mcdonalds and join the EU
Russia's Traditionalism • Russia has the lowest white population as a percentage In Europe. • Russia has the largest Muslim population outside of Asia. • Russia is the only non-Muslim nation to be in the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation Union. • Russia has more mosques than the rest of Europe combined. • Russian city of Kazan is statistically the most diverse In the world. • Only Sweden and Germany has a higher transgender rate than Russia, globally. • Russia has the highest rates of abortion. • Russia has the highest rates of prostitution In Europe and North America. • Over 15% of pornographic adult actresses are Russian. • Russia has the highest HIV rates in Europe and North America. • Russia has one of the largest Jewish population, ranking 5th. • Excluding Israel, Russia has the highest rates of Jewish billionaires, 59% of Russia's billionaires are Jewish. • Excluding Israel, Russia has the highest rates of Jewish politicians and members of parliament, at 34%. • The Russian army ranks first for sexual harrasment and rape, also torture, globally. Known as "Dedovshchina". • Russia has one of the highest rates of divorces In the world. • Russia's so-called Christian population is one of the least religious populations globally. With severely low church attendance rates and religious observations. • Russia has the highest rates of suicides in Europe and North America. • Russia has the second largest immigrant population. • Russia has the most relaxed immigration laws globally. • Russia has for decades allowed the continuous flow of Immigrants from Asia, through Russia and into Europe, via Belarus. • The Russian Health Department and Ministry has on several occasions promoted race mixing to boost demographics. Race mixing is promoted across the Russian media, from TV's to social media personalities. • Russia has the most left-wing organizations globally. Most with antlfa roots.
>>515299517>The delivery of such gas is also very cheap after you get the infrastructure going compared to the sea transportation.It was cheap because the EU could pit Norway and Russia against each other because the EU had a surplus of available pipeline gas. Both Russia and Norway build LNG plants in the Arctic because LNG could be sold at the world market.
>>515299786Based thats why russia and china and the eu should become one big block
>>515296777Heard that one too years ago and literally nothing happened except European arms companies are booming. Your threats don't mean anything now.
>>515299561>Norwegians should be the first to see the dangers of appeasementNorway at least make money from the stupidity of the Ukraine war and European green insanity. >We'll be fineYou are not close to fine. You need cheap energy NOW, if you are to avoid paying double digits on your national debt.
>>515286163Good
>>515298528incidentally, Moscow is the largest city of eu(rope)>per yuropawns, Russia is not in eu(rope)>>515298613>>515298559same location btw>>515298641do you rely on no one checking?>3 Apr 2015>WASHINGTON, April 3. /TASS/. Christians will remain the largest religious group over the next four decades but by 2050 the number of Muslims will equal the number of Christians, the Washington-based Pew Research Center said in a new report.>After 2070 "the number of Muslims would exceed the number of Christians," the report says.>In 2010 the number of Christians stood at 2.2 billion, or 31% of the world's population, while Muslims accounted for 23% of the world's population (1.6 billion people).>>515298666>>515298691same reply, more even, i don't even understand why people link that webm, in which Putin laughs at how preposterous "Muslim majority Russia" would sound and explicitly talk about how he is against it lmao, using SU as a hypothetical>>515298762only their numbers dwindled faster than ever before and first jewish pogrom in XXI century technically belongs to Russia and antisemitism is on the rise...other than that - fine and dandy
>>515298786>Kyievanlmao>>515298813and about 30k churches in about 10 years (2000-2011), but sure>>515298838>rfe/rlyum, rip tho>>515298977>according to facebook>>according to facebooksafe and! effective>>515299066where's the lie?>>515299143what?
>>515299958>and literally nothing happenedYour economy really took a beating from all the Russian sanctions. Even worse than Germany. Your youth will go to Norway and Sweden to work for higher salaries, and that is youth you can't afford to lose.
>>515299794you're not listening to me at all, whats your problem anon
>>515300114>>515300138
>>515299596(((Kapustin))), that you?
>>515299656why do you lie about holohoax denial being illegal in Russia, huh?
>>515300169>whats your problem anonThat you don't really understand the economics when it comes to pipeline gas and LNG.
>>515291274There are alternatives like coal and nukes but the elites are barely interested in these either, so it's not about Russia it's about impoverished Europe. There is more coal in the North Sea seabed than humans have ever mined, and yet they won't touch it. It is a feudal policy
>>515300222
>>515300256I'm telling you that Russia sold pipeline gas to Germany on long-term contracts with fixed prices and you keep blabbering same shit about market.That's their difference
>>515299884>OCUlmao (2)
>Russians got raped by the Mongols so hard that they turned into a slavish servile culture constantly paranoid about their enemies, who need a strong man god-king to maintain stability in their lives. Because their whole society was formed around pleasing their Mongol overlords, they can lie and steal so long as it preserves social order. They have no hope for their future and want the strong man to make all decisions for them.>It's basically one of those screencaps of /int/ or /pol/ or whatever that explains how the Chinese or Indians are a conquered mutt slave race throughout history, except in university lecture form. And about Russians.>I think the interesting thing to me is that it puts Putin as the centralizing figure of Russian society whereas from a western perspective, we tend to think of our leaders as puppets of the true powers that be. So for example Biden was put into place by the DNC or giant corporations and so on. Instead of Putin being in power at the pleasure of the oligarchs, instead it the oligarchs are his boyars and serve at his pleasure. Bad news if you were hoping some PO'd oligarch would put a bullet in Putin's head and end this whole thing.
>>515299608>It's hard to hate them so much they deserve.That pic...Maybe we can solve global CO2 emissions if we add another tax on plastic bags in Scandinavia... that also applies to plastic bags that don't contain any plastic?What is even more infuriating is that a lot of Chinas CO2 emissions are from industry WE SEND THERE.While we are navel gazing here over cutting our emissions by sending jobs and industries to China, the net result is that for every appliance made CO2 emissions double (due to Chinas energy mix being more CO2 heavy than in Norway or Sweden).So sending say Electrosux factories to China raises emissions, while we pretend we just saved the planet.(Whether or not CO2 actually matters, is good or bad for climate etc, is irrelevant for the argument btw).I am fairly certain that if we just offed all politicians and government employees (aka jews and jew lackeys) to devolve into total anarchy, life would actually improve long term for us.At least historically, the narratives where harder to disprove and often rooted in some logic.Nowadays it is just nonsensical drivel with so called journalists endorsing it (and the masses seemingly buying it).
>>515299909heh, incidentally the largest church built in eu(rope)>again per yuropawnsin XXI
>Average anon in this thread
>>515298717>Usually wars are done or prolonged to gain somethingYou're thinking from the perspective of the aggressor.Obviously there are reasons for the other side to fight or assist, like in this case wanting to contain an expansionist power.
>>515300210>ive seen cope people wouldn't belivethat you have
>>515300274>There are alternatives like coal and nukes but the elites are barely interested in these either,I think that their argument is that high energy prices will makes us winners in the new green economy. I'm not sure, but I do know that what our elites are doing is total insanity.
>>515300293that's byzantine coin btw
>>515299388Putin lies when he opens his mouth more news at 11.
>>515300351>Bad news if you were hoping some PO'd oligarch would put a bullet in Putin's head and end this whole thing.Makes me wonder who's behind the 10000 "why don't someone shoot zelensky" posts.
>>515300327Some was sold on long term contracts, but most wasn't. It was sold at spot price, because the EU thought that would be cheapest in the long run. The spot trading stopped right away after the Ukraine war started, but the long time contracts was allowed to go on to keep the price of fas in the EU down.
>>515300468that was true even in XIX century lmao
>>515286163>Nord stream gas is never coming back yes, that was the entire point of blowing it up it forced the krauts to pick the right side in the conflict instead of eternally scheming with you over the heads of smaller nations in between it's a good thing that happened
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>>515300642man, gayto losing against mongol horse riders?tuff
>>515286163Yes, the west is unreliable. Not who decides to attack its neighbours and decides to bring war and instability again after all this years.
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>>515300808oophcalm your handsstop shaking
>>515300700Probably is was the krauts that blew it themselves. Which was a fuckin awesome move. Imagine having to debate closing this shit...
>>515300385>What is even more infuriating is that a lot of Chinas CO2 emissions are from industry WE SEND THERE.I know. >I am fairly certain that if we just offed all politicians and government employees (aka jews and jew lackeys) to devolve into total anarchy, life would actually improve long term for us.I agree. I hate the jewrnalists the most, because they refuse to publish the truth about the insanity.
>>515293691>>515293958Germany is only 13% gas for electricity, granted they probably use a decent amount as chemical feedstock as well >>515295040You are incapable of understanding that Russias only economic chip is its gas station status and what they are doing is saying “we will sell it to china for peanuts instead!” There are other gas stations, they don’t cost much more, and one of my cars is electric anyway. Energy export to the EU is their only profitable business, if they want to kill it who cares, for the EU they are (and largely have been) easily replaced.>>515298363The EU hasn’t been competitive on cost since before I was born, we compete based on quality, access to markets that actually matter, and consistency. We leave the race to the bottom to the global south.Honestly, I think that the most likely outcome is Putin dies, the new government quickly denounces the old government as traitors and counter revolutionaries as is tradition, and they go back to exporting to the EU, this time with harsher conditions and lower (and decreasing as the switch to renewables progresses) volumes. Likely one of the conditions will be that part of the profits go towards the reconstruction of Ukraine.
>>515301083Can't wait to see your acne scarred face plastered all over VG, retard
>>515301091>Honestly, I think that the most likely outcome is Putin dies, the new government quickly denounces the old government as traitors and counter revolutionaries as is tradition, and they go back to exporting to the EU
>>515286163Yet 75% of russias entire population lived West of the Urals. Curious.
>>515301091>The EU hasn’t been competitive on cost since before I was born, we compete based on quality, access to markets that actually matter, and consistency.Cheap energy matters al lot when salaries are already above world market price. A large part of the cost of a car is the energy needed to make it. Robots and machines run on electricity, and that is cheaper in the USA and China.
>>515299113Well, yes. That is indeed how China treats their tributary states. Siberia and the Far East will be, if not China proper, entirely bought and paid for by China before the end of the century.
>>515301160You don't actually read VG?(VG, a low IQ tabloid for foreigners. )
>>515301422>Siberia and the Far East will be, if not China proper, entirely bought and paid for by China before the end of the century.never get tired of wectoid cope fantasiesif something ain't going their way, tis bound to be worse for the other guy in their headcanon
>>515301422Is that a good or a bad thing for the USA?
>>515301227I understand how you feel, but it is your elites who will make the decisions, the same ones who send their kids to school here, invest their money here, and spend their vacations here. You’ll swallow it like you’ve swallowed everything else they’ve fed you.
Some povo shit home pivots to China?No one cares retard
>>515300451>You're thinking from the perspective of the aggressor.No (even though we are the aggressors in this case).If you are invaded and forced into a war, there are a couple of questions you need to consider.> Is the peace you can get by fighting better than the peace you can get by negotiations?> Will continuing the war/resistance lead to the annihilation of your people?> Are your goals achievable?Russias peace offering is far better than what can be achieved by prolonging the war.Had Ukraine and NATO accepted the offer in march 2022, Lugansk, Donetsk would NOT become part of Russia, Kherson and Zaporozia would remin Ukrainian and the war would be over.Had Ukraine just accepted Minsk and Minsk II, there would not even have been a flair up.So what are we (the Europeans) in the fight for?Russia has repeatedly offered to give up territory it controls for peace, we have refused.So from our and Ukraines perspective, any peace right now is better than continuing a losing war that (according to the chart below for instance) we (ok, our proxy) started.>Obviously there are reasons for the other side to fight or assist, like in this case wanting to contain an expansionist power.Are you one of those who believe the war started in 2022?Well, as you see in pic related, even then the war started before the Russian invasion by Ukrainian shelling on Donetsk and Lugansk.
>>515301418As I’ve already shown in my previous posts in this thread, only 13% (and falling) of electricity in Germany comes from gas, in this country it’s 5 or 6%
>>515301160>Can't wait to see your acne scarred face plastered all over VG, retardDo people actually read that garbage?
>>515301624Probably bad overall, China has much more capacity to actually follow through on their belligerence than Russia does. It's especially stupid of us because if not for all the Jews and Poles and Polish Jews running our foreign policy, Russia could have absolutely been our bitch same as the rest of Europe by now.
>>515301893>Probably bad overallSo making Russia the enemy was sort of short sighted if the real threat was China. I blame the jews, and so should you.
>>515301731>I understand how you feel, but it is your elitesi happen to work for gazprom, so the fact that its not going back to the way it was is well known to mehad been for quite some time, as my colleagues have factored out eu(rope) from long-term capacity planning some 2 years agothat plan correlates to long term investment strategy, spanning several decades, and includes field development strategy (which ones to develop, which one to hold etc) and delivery network throughput strategysome contracts to fulfill till the 2040 - and then that's itand that's just the O&G sector, other companies are actively hostile to ever doiung business with yuropawns, both for purely monetary and supply chain safety reasons
>>515302001I think we should all just blame the jew and be friends again.
Let russia and ukraine make peace and both join the EU
>>515302001Now china can also join in the friends club and we can ALL be friendsAnd nothing ever happily ever after
Nothing ever happening ever after in the land of unicorn
>>515286990Europe has been drained completely. What do they produce anymore. Germany is the exception like is in most cases.
>>515299625smart strategy.
>>515302052Are you going to build more LNG plants, or is the focus on pipelines to Asia?
>>515288177This cements China to Russia dingus.Good deal for Russia they now have Chinas near endless manufacturing behind them
>>515302052The second they can make a more profitable plan they will But again, I don’t think things will ever return to as good as they were for Russia pre 2022.
>>515302095Lolwhat? Take Ukraine if you want, we don't want to be your kind.
>>515301815You lie like a russian. Why do you bother with a VPN? There is only one way to have peace with russia and that is to completely annihilate them. That is exactly what is happening, your fake country is a weak poor shithole that will collapse and balkanize because your czar Monke is too cowardly to accept a surrender. Everyone would be better off if you surrendered instead of continuing to bleed yourself to death in this war you started.
>>515286375>Nah it will come backnot if we can help it
>>515302430>I don’t think things will ever return to as good as they were for Russia pre 2022.Exporting raw materials is easy, while exporting finished goods is hard. Norway is not rich because we are brilliant. Russia will become one of the richest countries in the world.
>>515288649>Russia already supplies China with gas thought Power of Siberia-1.yeah? how much? let's talk quantities and prices
>>515286163Relying on other nations is a weakness, one pushed by juden in their failure to force the lie of globalismIf your country isnt 100% independant, its ripe to be blackmailed and pushed around by others.And the USA seems to be the only nation smart enough to realize this.
>>515302505>There is only one way to have peace with russia and that is to completely annihilate them.Stop the green insanity then?
>>515302623it's not happening ivan
>>515290236>Whats the problem? Europe has gas reserves and US sells LNG to us. No way Europe will give Russia this kind of power ever again.Its about economics, Russian gas was extremely cheap, LNG is very expensive. There is not enough port capacity to replace the gas from Russia, it will take a decade or two to reach parity. Goymoney industry is already collapsing with no survivors, their steel mills have to run night shifts only now to leave enough gas in the grid for households.
>>515295487Why would I care if jews and shitskins kill each other? It's like the Ukraine war, a conflict between slavs, the only tragedies that could happen here is if those wars end, because they are conflicts between enemies of the white man.
>>515302397It is a good deal for China, they get low prices and don’t even have to pay for the pipeline. For Russia they just trade one master for another, less profitable one>cementslol we will see if the pipeline even gets finished
>>515302734Russia doesn't only have gas.
>>515302095No, let the slavic untermensch wipe each other out as much as they want.But before that send a couple fighters to bring down the Chernobyl sarcophagus, that was paid by Europe, would be unfair to just give it to slavs.
>>515302816russia has nothing - it's oil deposits will run dry in 25 years and become unprofitable in half that time if prices stay the same
>>515302640>how much?About 30bil cubic meters a year. Compare to 180bil they've lost from Europe. Don't ask why Gazprom is doing mass layoffs.>pricesOh that's a state secret anon. Wouldn't want the gopniks at home to find out they're paying more than Chang.
>>515302711Why is Norway so rich?It's because we export raw materials and energy, and both commodities are scarce, is it not?Russia will become one of the richests nations in the world.
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>>515302913>Russia will become one of the richests nations in the world.In two weeks?
>>515302898>russia has nothingThis is only your butthurt talking. Try growing up.
>>515286990>Europe You spelled Earth wrong
>>515302734Based, awesome China gets cheap gas to power their anti-zog industries, while based Russia makes money from it.
>>515302913Making your economy rely on others is just making you an easy target.Any country who's money comes mainly from exports is doomed.
>>515302623Norway is rich because they actually invest the money from extraction into their own country, Russians would rather spend it in Europe. If Russia was going to get rich from resource extraction why hasn’t it happened yet? They’ve already exported far more per capita than Norway?
>>515286375>Nah it will come backit can't the NS source previously used for europe, got rerouted to chinait's over>>515286424THDTKDTADTED
>>515302555Based pole.
>>515302973>In two weeks?Give them a decade or two. Exporting raw material is not really hard.
>>515303039There's electricity in Australia?
>>515290236Having to rely on the US is arguably more dangerous desu
>>515303046This, good countries rely on printing money and giving girlbosses make believe jobs
>>515302898>just 25 more years kurwabrosgrimyour industries are gone senpai
>>515303132What polish industries?
>>515302640Its slowly reaching the NS1 level(NS2 was built but never operational) however the gas to EU through okraina and belarus was never restored.See>>515293958But now Russia invested a lot of LNG gas production so it's impossible to count the real losses
>>515286163Bopoнe кaк тo Бoг пocлaл кycoчeк cыpa
>>515303103No, they rely on their militaries, which is why the USA is the only worthwhile country on Earth.Your country needs to turn into a fortress that can't be touched by anyone, and any agressors need to be deal with by force.Russia, China, Europe, all these lesser powers rely on selling their countries out like whores because they are weak, of they dont sell themselves out for cheap they get invaded.Europe right now is suffering from falling so hard for the lie of globalism and international trade.
>>515303172cleaning geman toilets with VW gone, krauts will clean their own shit - no need for kurwa slaves anymore
>>515303055>If Russia was going to get rich from resource extraction why hasn’t it happened yet?Because of communism. We have Russian fishing vessels visiting Norway. They used to be low tech rust buckets, but these days they are Norwegian standard. We also know that the Russians are not stupid from trading with them.
>>515302734Russias former master wanted it destroyed and broken up, I think China needs Russia
>>515302623>Russia will become one of the richest countries in the world.LOLno, only who would be more rich are jewish oligarchs who will buy more big yachts
>>515303289They are slavs, they have an average IQ of 80 and unironically fell for communism and bolshevism.
>>515303252A powerful military does not exclude a export economy. Russia is a living testament to it.
>>515303252>No, they rely on their militaries, which is why the USA is the only worthwhile country on Earth.they just lost wars against yemen, afghanistan's poppy fields, mexican cartels, immigration, fentanyl, jews, diabetes and niggers
>>515303406Yes it does, export economies mean making other countries stronger, and Russia owes its existence to their unbearable climate, not to their pitiful army.If the USA wanted they could invade Mexico within a couple of days, that's what makes a country great.>LOOK AT HOW MUCH PEOPLE BUY FROM MEIf that's all you can show off then you are not a nation, you are a supermarket.
>>515303132our industry is fine. how's yours?
Europe doesnt need Russia's resources.They are enriched with diversity and strong, empowered women so they dont need these fossil fuels LOL. Anyway brown people and women can't do manufacturing so they wont need as much energy. They can feed themselves with their social programs.
>>515303391>They are slavs, they have an average IQ of 80The ones in North-western Russia are not stupid at least.
>>515286163Who knows. Recent years have shown that politicians and business elites change their minds very quickly.
>>515286163We have clay pots Ivan, we dont your dirty gas.
>>515286163bye bye mongol. don't come back now
>>515303498Because they didn't even try.The Gulf War and Iraq proved that the USA has the biggest deployment capabilities in the planet, they can move a bigger army to other side of the planet than Russia can on a country that's right beside them.
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>>515303572These contracts are signed on governmental level and they last for 30 years.
>>515303513>Russia owes its existence to their unbearable climateAlmost nobody lives there. St. Petersburg has the same climate as their EU neighbors, and ditto further south.
>>515303513>and Russia owes its existence to their unbearable climate, not to their pitiful army.The biggest cope lmao. As if Russians have some sort of +25 cold resistance modifier. Cold hits them like it hits anyone else. >Yes it doesWrong, Russia is a living testament. Powerful nations thorought history were export economies. Britain during victorian ages was a export economy, USA during its peak (1920-1950) was a export economy, Netherlands in the 17th century was a export economy, your country was a export economy.... Can't wait to genocide traitor faggot leftists neoliberals who worship debt and interest.
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>>515294909>If you didnt bribe our retarded politicansx we could have more than 60-70% by now.60-70% solar/wind = infinity blackouts/brownouts
>>515303761Why is it angled in such a way that it hides multiple peaks behind Moscow? What kind of retarded cope is this?
>>515303289They haven’t been communist for 30 years, in that time they have followed the African model of resource extraction, not the Norwegian model. Why would they switch now, and what would have to change in their society to allow that change?>>515303039Not denying that it is a good deal for China, for Russia it’s pretty humiliating and definitely not as profitable
>>515303628I dont believe in NATO, I believe in the US, and that their military strength is something every worthwhile nation should match.A great military means everyone will bend over to you with even the smallest amount of pressure.Why is Ukraine being invaded? Why is Russia literally flying drones all over Europe?Why is Europe not sinking every single migrant ship and bombing every single migrant route?Because their militaries are fucking trash and instead unironically thought le ebin trade would bring a world of hecking wholesome rainbows and teddy bears.I, for one, am glad that Russia for invading Ukraine and reminding people how this planet works.Might will always be right.
>>515303912>not the Norwegian model.They are doing that now.
>>515303912Oh no, Russia is defeated and hummiliated! It is so friggin over! Some leftist nafo tranny is laughing at him!
>>515303711Yes, its a cold no one else is prepared for, without it its an easy land to invade.>export economiesPure juden, neoliberal lies.Making other countries stronger will benefit you in the long run.You want something from others? Well the example is, ironically, Russia.They wanted Ukraine's rare earth element mines in Donbass and thus invaded.That's how the world really works.
>>515286163>Do europeans even realize that?nope. 99% really think all this is about Russia, rights of small states etc. when its the USA deliberately crippling Europe to deny China a market.
>>515303977If you say so. Let me know when the average Russian sees any benefit >>515304029I don’t see an argument so I accept your concession. It’s weird how your mind immediately jumps to trannies when you are beaten though
>>515302345>Are you going to build more LNG plantssure, with new focus on Black sea route mid 30sbtw, Turkish gas hub isn't happening>>515302430>a more profitable planwhile eu(rope) is a high margin market (China too btw), its political and regulatory risks are off the fucking chartswhen it suits you, you break long term contracts and call it "energy reform"not how it works with energy markets
>>515303289>Because of communism.kek, communism ended 34 years ago and pootin has been in power for the last 26 years>Russian fishing vessels used to be low tech rust buckets.and still are.>Russians are not stupid from trading with them.wow, Norway really does some trade with russia, pidor. Why is it so little if "russians are so smart"?
>>515302913>Why is Norway so rich?>It's because we export raw materials and energy, and both commodities are scarce, is it not?To be fair, if you were a country of 25 million people, you'd be noticeably poorer per capita.
