There is no language that is harder than Japanese and Old Japanese.Even the Obama Administration admitted it.https://www.state.gov/foreign-service-institute/foreign-language-trainingDuring the obama years, this had an asterisk next to Japanese saying it's harder than the other languages.Would you learn Japanese?
Why would I learn a dead language with no economic benefits especially in a world where AI is rapidly improving
Pretty sure chinese is harder but only because it's a more retarded language
It's only the hardest language for someone who only speaks English. Japanese is 20-25% loanwords and repetitive stock phrases, it is not the language for expressive or intellectual thought. If you need more than 1-2 years to learn this language you're probably retarded
>>515793073Toire wa doko desu ka?Seems pretty easy to me.
>>515793249To watch Zatoichi without subs? Duh.
>>515793320its harder because you have to remember the tone of every word
>>515793369So desu ka.
>>515793073
>>515793467Based zatoichi enjoyer, which one is your favorite?
Japanese has challenging grammar, but for any language, grammar is a blip you'll get past in the first couple years of study, compared to the looming mountain of vocabulary (which you can spend a lifetime on). Even for literacy, Japanese only requires knowledge of ~2000 kanji, which is about 5x to 10x less than you need for Chinese. And unless you're going for native fluency, you can pretty much ignore tones in Japanese.Plus, Japanese comes with the entire anime/manga/video game corpus, and in Japan there's a culture of taking voice acting extremely seriously (voice actor is a prestigious career there) so there's an abundance of beautiful Japanese speech to listen to.Conclusion: Japanese is not that hard at all, OP is just a faggot trying to make himself feel better about his decision to waste hours and hours studying this weabo language.
There's also a huge amount of tools for weebs to learn JP online. You really have no excuse if you're into jp entertainment.
>finally learn japanese>the new fire emblem game is DEI (many browns in the trailer)JUST
>>515793249its fun
>>515793249Language is not just translating words or understand meaning.Language shapes reality and reality shapes language. You will never understand a Japanese person unless you have a nuanced understanding of their language.Just like you will never truly understand what Nietzche tried to say unless you are/know German.I think it's a very beautiful way to understand why languages are important. Although sure, it's a waste of time if you don't care about such matters.
>>515793073I think you might be retarded, anon. Sorry to break the news
>>515793839Isn't it like a Three Houses prequel? Fodlan already had brown people.
>>515793899Learn French or German and you'll gain access to centuries of high philosophy, science, and arts.Learn Japanese and you'll gain access to a bunch of softcore pr0n.
if you already know kanji from being chinese it's easyif you have to learn them all then it's harder than euro languages
>>515794114It's true Japanese is really useless, there is value in pre ww2 writing but that requires even more kanji grinding.
>>515793073Even harder than arabic and pajeet languages?How does tf thier writing and grammar work? Is this like if I made up the word xehse and expected everyone to know how to pronounce it and what it means in my book?
>>515793249> Hurr durr everything must be about moneyYou people are sick in the head,all of you
>>515793073Pretty sure Chinese is harder just because it's so easy to mess up the tonessounds horrible though
>>515793646The one were his sword gets a fracture and the old blacksmith takes him in and swaps the blade without him knowing. Zatoichi's Cane Sword espisode 15.
>>515793467he's blind, why would he need to talk?
>>515793073Never understood this. Chinese and the SEA languages are fucking mental to the extent I can't make out a single word.
>>515794236>>515793899You people sound like coastal liberal cosmopolitan elites, do you hear yourself?
>>515793073So you should not immigrate to Japan.
>>515793073https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUsXAqFmbn4&list=RDEUsXAqFmbn4&start_radio=1
>>515794371wut?
>>515794114Well, I have my reasons to believe that Japanese sense of aesthetics and design is thanks to their language. But yeah, there are languages that are much better to learn.
>>515793073Jap seems a lot easier than fucking french.
>>515793073I learned hiragana and katakana in a month, and I was not taking it seriouslyBy no means is that “language proficiency” in the slightest, but it is like 60% of the foundationYou’ll be okI only did it out of boredom and then realized it wasn’t useful to learn in the US
>>515794702It was cool how you gassed that frog Maximilian.
everyone should watch zatoichi now
>>515793779yes, lots of extensions for it now
>>515794594These guys have been playing since the 80's. You have to love their dedication to tradition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JY89ZxVqEg
>>515793369>kore wa pen desu
>>515794423See, this is the problem with having a basic understanding of language.You think that liberal cosmopolitan elites agree with the idea that language is integral to a culture and its people? Language is part of someone's soul and DNA. Coastal cosmopolitan elites would rather everyone use AI to translate or force a lingua franca so their metaphorical Babel tower can be built.
fun language with a huge amount of words you can translate directly from english by saying them in a japanese accent
>>515794820how the fuck does learning an alphabet (which is only like 5% of the actual writing system, compared to the 2000 kanji) account for 60% of the "foundation", whatever that means
>>515794423Language and even better the different dialects are important cultural things and should be preserved. It's not good if every town speaks differently and barely understand each other so it doesn't help with businesses but that's not important.Fuck money
>>515795407Because you can sound out words and read, and learn the meanings as you goAt least that’s what happened with me
>>515794761I learned bothI could have learned french 5 times over in the time it took to learn japanese they're not even in the same galaxy in terms of difficulty
>>515793369Japanese uses so many English loanwords.So many Japanese words have an English synonym too.>hanbāgā>konpyūtā>naifu
>>515793779My brother learned Japanese from one of those Japanese learning language games on the nintendo DS.
>>515793073>hardest Not likely,That title would probably go to Mongolian in eastern languages and Polish in western And that’s not even getting into some of those inflection and tonal Native American languages.
>>515794838Maximilian was literally the only good regent we ever had and he was killed because a self hating midget couldn't stop seething at a European governing Mexico.Said midget then proceeded to do the second largest genocide of indigenous people in the history of this nation.Oh, he was also a mason and sold our country to the American masons in order to get weapons to fight Maximilian.
>>515795680Mongolian looks crazy ngl
>>515795506that's a very generous definition of foundation you have there
>study Japanese>visit Tokyo (homeplace of 90% of Japanese ppl under 70 years of age)>everyone just wants to speak English with you anywaywtf are you weebs even doing
>>515793249>do you want to speak a "no nigger zone" language? you can't, so don't even try.
>>515793073>There is no language that is harder than JapaneseArabic has entered the chat. No matter how hard you try, you will never get the pronunciation 100%
>>515795792That's another thing, no matter how pro you are at Japanese they will assume you want to speak English. It's a joke lol
難しよね
>>515795792That’s like the opposite of France
>>515795680Aren't Icelandic and Finnish fucking hard too?
>>515795792>speak perfect japanese>jap office slave stares blankly and pretends to not understand
>>515795407You're thinking in Arabic logic. In other languages you can start to sound out words easily once you learn the language. I tried learning Arabic to speak with a friend but even when I learned some of the letters, he said I sounded like a fucking retard trying to sound out the words
>>515795923トランスジェンダーになって俺のちんぽ付き彼女になってください
It's easier to learn Swedish then French? How?
>>515793073もう習ったから平気
>>515793073It takes time and effort to learn, but it's not impossible. Many people have already done it, and have laid out the entire path, basically. But what it mostly comes down to, I think, is input. Lots of listening and reading build the foundation for using the language. For Japanese, it takes like 8000+ hours of immersion to get good. Most Americans fail at learning any foreign language because they don't get enough raw input in their target language. If you like Japanese cartoons, then Japanese is actually probably one of the easier languages to learn, because there's a limitless supply of Japanese media, and people have already built tools for things like turning J-subbed content into flash cards that can be reviewed later on.
>>515796018Don't forget the converse>say "Konnichiwa">every jap within 5 miles cheers you, "You are so good at Japanese!!!" (in English)
im not expert but ive heard polish is insane to learnalso trying to learn mandarin and perfect the tones is fucking hard
可愛い女の子の靴をかぎたい
>>515793073Hontou, OP-kun
>>515796138Any language that needs you to do weird shit with your mouth, is very difficult.
>>515793073>basque and finnish enter the chat>hungarian watching
>>515796388They say English is the most difficult language to learn as a non-English speaker though, and the language has very normal mouth movements.
>>515795792only hafus and Japanese who lived abroad for at least 5 years can speak english. the rest is "weaa aruu yuuu furommuu"
>>515796138That's because 46% of the language involves phlegm.
I am learning Japanese and Chinese. It's pretty fun >>515794872What extensions are you using? Is it a pain in the ass to set up?
>>515796486>They say English is the most difficult language to learn as a non-English speaker thoughThat only seems to be the case for Asians, for some reason. Everyone else seems to have an easy time with English
>>515793073Yes.Anime titties demand it.
>>515796138sounding out words is very very far from learning a languageit's a prerequisite to learning a language but by itself it means nothing you could probably sound out words in german or spanish, but without understanding them or the grammar that governs their use you can't say that you know anything about that languagefor arabic specifically it has a lot of alien sounding consonants that are hard to distinguish for foreigners, it would take practice to get them rightح ع ق among others
>>515796628The one in the pic is Rikaikun, and it's easy. One click install
>>515795680What makes Japanese so nuts is it's sov so everything ends in a verb, it has adjectives that conjugate as verbs, you have to learn hiragana and katakana, but then you have to learn all the okurigana that attach to different kanji like 上げる means to give but 上る means to climb but 上 just means up and then you have to learn 1500 or so kanji AND THEN you have to learn all the idiosyncratic cultural shit.
>>515796660It all comes down to, to, two, too, their, there, they''re, wood, would. etc.
>>515796832Keep it up, anon-kun, any day now a Japanese girl is going to visit you in your parents' basement and become your Japanese gf
>>515795792Modern Japanese culture is so peculiar. They use so many loanwords of European languages like English. They also have so many random American and European cultural things. American baseball, Portuguese sponge cake, German baumkuchen, French dishes. Like really specific stuff.
Japanese is fucking hard. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a midwit that doesn't understand what mastery of a language entails. No, listening to your cartoons and comprehending 50% of it does not mean you've mastered Japanese.
>>515796486It's not difficult to learn at a basic level. But pronunciation is pretty hard and English is extremely nuanced. I think that's the most beautiful aspect of it.I always compare it to piano. Easy to learn, hard to master.
>>515793073I found Korean more difficult.t. learned both
>>515793073I already know Japanese.Suka min dikkuChizabaga eating deviru
>>515793073Nah, even spanish is harder when it comes to conjugations. I've studied chinese and japanese since i was a kid on and off, and chinese is way harder. Even if japanese has the onyomi and kunyomi readings for kanji, chinese still is way harder only with pronunciation.I could sound native japanese without even studying.
>>515793073under my current hypothesis that our souls are in this world to train and evolve until we are ready to ascend, we continually reincarnate going up or down in tiers. the highest tier before ascension is to be Japanese. It's like the level of Zen you reach that you can just go "fuck it, I am going to dedicate the entirity of my being to making tea kettles." I would expect nothing more than the most convoluted shitshow of a language to go with this.
>>515797034There is no reason to 'master' Japanese for the average western person. This is the idea that leads to weeb closet goblins like matt who spend 12 years of their life grinding and becoming heroes for other vegetating retards on discord.
>>515796965Already married one and have kidsLiterally the hardest language for and English speaker to learn and vice versa. 両方の言語や文法が全く合わへんから十年熱心に勉強せへんと進まらへん
>>515796832Yeah then you have shit like 上る being written 登る or 昇る depending on the nuance/context. Tons of examples like that. Japanese is weird, but you get used to it I guess.
>>515793073Japanese would be easier to learn if it did not include COMMIE CHINK letters in their alphabet.
>>515793073lol no
>>515796628Auto-Furigana and Rikaikun in the screenshot for Chrome. there are some very good new AI powered ones too like translit and Immersive Translate, Mate Translate. they do every language
>>515797509Yeah, you have to live there and actually study while you do. It always killed me to see guys that lived there 20 years still struggle to speak. You think- Wtf are you doing?
>>515797380>合わへん>せへん>進まらへんkys tryhard
>>515794423and you sound like a faggot nigger with AIDS
>>515797717>Yeah, you have to live there and actually study while you doKek it's either that or become an autistic shut in like Matt who spends your 20s grinding Japanese and anki all day. Not the best way to live imo
>>515793073It's actually one of the easier ones once you get past the initial difficulty of memorizing several alphabets>T.N4 Gaijin
>>515797717Our grandfathers didn't fight a nuclear war in the Pacific just so that WE could go learn THEIR language. There's a reason English is mandatory in Japanese high school but not the other way around.
>>515797336An average person wont master anything, not sure what that has to do with anything. Im saying its fucking hard and that studying the language for a few months, hell even a couple years wont be enough to give the student an idea of the monumental fucking task that is learning japanese to an advanced level.
私はキツネワイフを撫でるのが大好きです
>>515798095It's a ridiculous idea, there are foreigners now who know and recognize more kanji than Japanese natives. Spend your time on something else unless you love Japan so much
>>515795923idkshiyoneboutta start learning the kanjis this week - pray for me
>>515798095That's for every language except maybe english though. And even english at an advanced level needs years of practice, if we're talking a C2.Fact is chinese is worse than japanese, it'll take longer to learn and use properly.
>>515797971Yeah, it comes pretty fast to you if you live there when you're younger, but even if you do the crazy anki shit, it doesn't work unless you watch tv and talk to people at the shiyakusho and bank, and then there's all the keigo if you actually want to speak like Japanese. It is a glorious language though. And it resembles English in its flexibility sometimes.
>>515798282Im an interpreter, you goblin. Im giving you my opinion based on my experience.
>>515798301pic was created by a discord tranny pedophile
>>515798657hi matt, what's it like having no real skills other than spending the last 15 years grinding a single language?
>>515798446Pity that with the Japanese birthrate, in about 50 years' time Japanese will be considered a historical language. The Latin of 2D pornography.
คุณแทบจะไม่เข้าใจเลยว่าภาษาของคนข้ามเพศนั้นยากขนาดไหน ภาษาญี่ปุ่นเป็นภาษาสำหรับเด็ก ต่างจากภาษาไทย
So i was interesting on learning English, and you look like you know how to learn a second or third language like pros, how do you do that? How do you learn a language like pro? How do you do it on the most efficient way?
>>515793073Arabic and Hindi are harder, imho. Hungarian is definitely harder. Pashto is probably even harder than that but I don't really have any interest in learning it. Not really sure about weird endangered language isolates, but I imagine that some of those are pretty awful too.
>>515793073OPはホモ野郎だ
>>515798917English is actually the easiest language, you just open your mouth and say whatever comes into your mind, no need to think about conjugating verbs or putting things in tenses, just open your mouth and let the thoughts in your head flow out.
>>515798917Learn sentence structure and how to conjugate verbs and adjectives, then just work on increasing your vocabulary
>>515798917Just dedicate and don't fear mistakes. You have to constantly make mistakes and constantly be engaged with the language.
>>515798446japanese makes you painfully aware when you're lacking in something and that you actually do need to improve iti don't think the same can be said about european languages
>>515798917if you already understand spoken or written english (I'm assuming yes if you were able to follow the conversations in this thread) then just get exposed to that a fuckton, multiple hours everyday if possible your brain will do the rest
>>515798917You have to immerse yourself in an English environment. The best way of learning French is moving to rural Quebec, so I assume the best way to master English would be moving to a small rural American town
>>515798734Take your meds, retard. >>515798365I agree to an extent. I speak Spanish as well and there's something that puts Japanese on a completely different dimension. The pitch based accent, the variety of wild dialects, the millions of idioms that make their way into regular conversation, and of course the kanjis, etc...though ill admit im biased
>>515798917now you're in luck, you can just use AI for that
>>515793073The grammar isn't much harder than Indo-European languages with a lot of cases, like Slavic ones. Hiragana and katakana are easy to learn too. The whole reason it's the hardest is literally just kanji, but if you're dedicated you can memorize them.
>>515799372Yeah, it's a real challenge. I've worked with the language a while and it used to be very intimidating. Romance languages are not too challenging but Germanic and Slavic are too much for me lol
>>515795952>Icelandic and Finnish Finns and Basque are the euro languages that aren’t related to any other euro languages.The best explanation of Polish’s difficulty was explained to me by my friend’s grandfather….He said:We are Roman Catholic, and we write in Roman letters and not those god-damn moon runes.So you have a slavic type language not using Cyrillic letters… of course it ends up with unbelievable letter combinations and that’s before you get into all their ridiculous conjugations or the secondary & tertiary suffixes.If you look into Polish, you would think that the whole country is pulling some kind of joke on the world and they all just speak Russian or Lithuanian at home and are just flinging KURWA at the rest of us and laughing their asses off.
>>515798960I don't think so, arabic looks intimidating because of the ugly ass scribbles and how daunting the divide is when choosing a dialect and writing the opposite way, but once you have a chosen dialect and you practice a little the writing and abjad its difficulty is similar to russian from a western point of view, harder but not much harder.Chinese is still harder in my opinion.
>>515799649>The whole reason it's the hardest is literally just kanjWouldn't that make mandarin harder to learn then
>>515793073There's no such thing as a hardest language; the difficulty of a language depends on what your native language is.
>>515799804Not really, because you have to balance three different alphabet systems in Japanese. Mandarin also has almost no conjugation which makes its grammar beautifully simple, but given the tonal system that's very foreign to Westerners it's overall probably about equally hard.
>>515798716damn, it's crazy that you know that
Thai is the hardest language to learn. If you know, you know. Every fucking word has 20 different meanings. And if you are just SLIGHTLY wrong about the tone, nobody understand will understand what you're saying. In languages like Japanese, people can still understand you sometimes even if you're version of the language is broken. If you don't speak perfect Thai, you're fucked.
Japs have a habit of making mundane things unnecessarily complicated. It's a real lower midwit tendency.
>>515799982>but given the tonal system that's very foreign to Westerners it's overall probably about equally hard.The tonal system is just as, if not more prominent in Thai than it is in mandarin. And I have seen literal Thai people struggle to read some words because they're not sure which word the writing is referring to. But mandarin is definitely up there for difficult languages to learn. But Japanese can be as easy as you want it to be.
>>515793249to get a wife.
>>515799654i didnt mean it's particularly hard it's just that you actually get stuck on something you dont getin english you just read a hard sentence and pretend you understand it
>>515793073nihongo is just mandarin for babies
>>515800326Yeah, I think you can make an argument Thai is harder. I'm not that familiar with it, but your description of its tonal system sounds worse than Mandarin where people will get the gist of what you're saying even if you're using the wrong tones and saying the wrong words.On the other hand, I could be wrong but I don't think every word has its own character in Thai. The writing system looks more unified and much simpler.
>>515800326From a practical point of view this is important, half of the thais speak english but you're not gonna have that luck with chinks. So if you're actually there you're gonna struggle way more with learning mandarin or cantonese.Plus if we're aiming for professional levels of proficiency i still think China takes the cake. I'm definitely biased with japanese because the spanish phonetics are pretty much identical so the speaking part is covered for me. But most of the japanese hurdles are memorization.
>>515799804mandarin grammar is much easieryou need to learn more characters in mandarin (about 3000-4000 to japanese's 2000) but each character has one only reading, japanese kanji are fewer but a lot messier with multiple readings per character and other shenanigans like rendaku and weird okurigana ruleschinese has tones which is arguably the one aspect where it mogs japanese in difficulty, I say arguably because japanese also has pitch accent which makes it pseudo-tonal, although it is less necessary to make yourself understood, it's needed if you want to master japanese pronunciation
thai or vietnamese look impossible and you don't have the resources for learning like japanese has
>>515793073>meme flag>non-political topic about JapanJapanese is easy for the first half (jouzu), the second half takes (native) a very long time and a proper education in the language (i.e. language school or reading academic works/ literature).
>>515800123Lolll so true
I've been studying pretty seriously for about two years (~3 hours per day), and I can confidently say that it's the hardest thing i've ever done.It's not even the Kanji or grammar per se, it's the fundamental difference in how their culture is integrated with the language and how they choose to express ideas. Most things do not translate 1:1 at all. An English definition of a Japanese word is usually example of what something could mean, rather than what it concretely means.It's quite easy to re-arrange and formulate a "correct" Japanese logical clause only to find out you sound like a fucking weirdo and no native speaker would ever get their point across that way. On top of that, it's also a high-context sensitive language, this extends just being polite/casual. Subject is often omitted and this creates a long of "vagueness" in areas that causes trouble when you're trying to understand. This also exists in other languages, (i.e I saw a man on a hill with binoculars) but it feels ever more present in Japanese.The blackpill is that you need probably to consume at least 4000 hours of native material on top of 4000 hours of pure study to be at the level of a Japanese grade schooler.
>>515797945Fuck off faggot, thats's natural Japanese, he probably married a woman from Osaka. It sounds tryhard to you because you only watch anime (made of children (kill yourself))>t. got N1 57years ago and now am a professional at a big Japan based multinational (you can probably guess)
>>515799982>its grammar beautifully simpleGrammar is 0.01% of learning a language. This is like saying Mt. Everest is the easiest mountain to climb because the parking lot at the base of the mountain is so clean and well-kept. Or like saying chess is easy to master because the rules are so simple.
>>515793526yeah im learning to speak Japanese but I can't imagine doing the tones tooJapanese is fucking muzukashii though
>>515801180>>515797945Although せへん should just be せん (Nobody has ever said せへん)
>>515801366Sorryせぇへん
>>515801324Check this out... There are tones in Japanese too. 橋 (はし)箸 (はし)are actually pronounced differently.>>515801510good boy
>>515800916That too, Japanese is fundamentally a more confusing language due to strange self-isolated grammar rules. Mandarin is foreign to Westerners and their writing system would be much easier turned into a Western-style alphabet like Korean, but it's almost math in language form.
>>515801135>It's not even the Kanji or grammar per se, it's the fundamental difference in how their culture is integrated with the language and how they choose to express ideas. Most things do not translate 1:1 at all. An English definition of a Japanese word is usually example of what something could mean, rather than what it concretely means.this, so fucking muchalso we take for granted expressions and idioms in english that just become normal parts of speech with little relevance to what we're actually expressing. Then you have to work backwards to the real verbs you're using, then translate.>t. N -5000
Interesting how japan lets in thousands of nigs and jeets and now we get threads like this.>japanese is soo hard guise, don't bother learning it>you'll never understand the culture even if you learn the languageI will breed my japanese waifu and we will have 50% japanese, 50% aryan babies
>>515793526Japanese has pitch accent too anon. It’s not as important but it does matter for a lot of core vocabulary.
>>515800963This x100. Ppl analyzing the languages in isolation, without considering that with Japanese you have 36000 lifetimes of anime tiddies... go try learning Vietnamese, the only source material you'll be able to benefit from is some farming manual from the 1950s and maybe some communist propaganda leaflets.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY
>>515793073Chinese exists you dumb weeb
>>515801235No? Grammatical confusion and fuck-ups are usually the biggest early stumbling block.
>>515801558yes I've learned about bridge and chopstick let me cope a littlefrom what most people told me I shouldn't worry too much as a gaijin tourist. I'm never gonna live there. True or not?
>>515793073To you, maybe. To me it's Mandarin and it's been a hard slog so far. Mandarin is so fuckin analytic they drop absolutely everything in specch other than the most essential verbs and your job is to guess what's being said in the absence of any other cues.
>>515794423Southerners are niggers regardless of the color of their skin
>>515793073Spoken Japanese is not hard. Written Japanese is a god damn disaster, especially compared to the better written languages of Simplified Chinese and Korean Hangul. Japanese needs to make a type of Hangul with their Kana, Japonic does not translate well into written Chinese at all, but they won't because Japan is a stupid and backwards culture.
>>515801558>Bridge>Something else, I am assuming chopsticks, but I don't know that kanjiTo add more>鼻 Hana>花 HanaI forgot where there stress is in these.>t. retard who made it to JLPT2 in 10 months.
>>515800781Yes, but thai also has over 90 characters. More than hiragana and katakana, but much much less than kanji. However, when you take into account the different vowel forms and tone marks in their writing, coupled with the fact that Thai words mostly have like 20 different meanings behind them, it's why you see even natives sometimes struggling to read their own language in non (normal) text fonts because the writing and vowel indicators are so small to read to begin with. Speaking is another fucking story. And much harder than even reading and writing. If you say you want a water (น้ำ), you better have the tone down to a T. Because nobody will understand even that single word you say if it's not said how the natives say it. I've experienced first hand. I've lived in Cambodia and Thailand. Khmer is very similar to Thai, but the language is not tonal at all. So I got around with ease speaking broken Khmer to everyone. Getting around in Thailand was a different experience. It got to the point where I just said fuck speaking Thai and just started speaking English with hand signals and people understood me much better.
>>515801629I think I have another 5 years of study before I truly understand what 掛ける means
>>515801981what the hell, another algerian flag who's into jap?
>>515801806always start off every conversation/question with すいません and you're going to automatically have a good impression. whenever you get food, checkout, etc. always say すいません anything else doesn't matter— no one in Tokyo wants to talk to you.
>>515801180じいちゃんも消えてなくなれもう寿命がおわったろw
>>515801938Young people don't know kanji either, maybe when the fossils alive today start dying out, they will start to gradually abandon kanji in favor of hiragana and katakana, but even I think that's a bad idea, unlike Chinese where tone indicates what is what, Japanese doesn't have that, so when you read a bunch of shou, good luck figuring out what is what when you're not a native.
>>515801806kind of like if you write 'there' instead of 'their'. Yeah you're going to be wrong, but people know what you mean.it's better if you just learn more words to become a better communicator in the language and worry about the small stuff later
>>515802066Just learn ぶっ掛ける
>>515801884Try daoist texts translated into mandarin, which is the equivalent of esoteric chinese slam poetry, it's fucking vile. When japanese is "simplified" in that manner it becomes clearer though.
>>515801806As a gaijin tourist you don't need anything at all. Go to Tokyo, let them speak English with the exotic foreigner. You're like someone trying to get a master's degree in roller coaster science in order to go visit Disneyland.
>>515802115I'm not "into Japanese", I woke up one day and decided to learn a new language, and just started learning Japanese, today I learned 恐怖症 (Phobia) very useless, but you never know.
>>515798917I've been on 4chan for almost two decades now. Almost all the media that I consume is in English.All my work is with English speakers, at this point Spanish is my secondary language lmaoAnd for any language it's like that.
>>515802239When the glorious CCP takes over, they won't have to worry about their inferior language. But the case for not changing it to a type of Kana Hangul is silly because you're not any less confused when they say those words in spoken Japanese either due to the context, and for any confusion it only takes adding another syllable to pair word to distinguish.
>>515802066>掛けるTo hang? It's useless JLPT2 shit.
not really. learned it in two years.
>>515802239This is incorrectBecause of smart phones Kanji use has actually increased considerably
>>515793073Why is it that Japs are the worst East Asian at English?
>>515793073>the only language outside of English with media worth a damn to non-native speakers is the hardest language on the fucking planetmore evidence we live in some sort of prison/hell/whatever simulation
>>515794114BASADO
>>515798917Best way to learn a language is to not study it. This applies to all languages really but not equally, it depends on resources. And the writing is obviously an exception is the script is new to you.But in general, just submerge yourself in their media and make it as organic as possible. Aside from traveling there, that's the closest you're gonna get to the most efficient way of learning a language.
>>515802173>すいません100% this.I would say suimasen + kore and show them on my phone what I wanted.
>>515802832Because they teach English pronunciation in katakana and English sounds nothing like katakana
>>515802832Half their language is English borrow words to begin with, so they don't realize they're butchering it and never even attempt to correct their idiotic stammer.Disu izu aaa pen
>>515802602fascinating, good luck
>>515802725retard
>>515793369この文がやっぱりミーム・フラゲットによって書かれたね。
>>515793073Some jap girl texted me "乃山匚". What does it mean?
>>515798917It's not difficult like rocket surgery, it's difficult like walking up a mountain. The more time you spend with the language in a native context with native media and native interactive usage, the more progress you'll make. There's no one-size-fits-all trick. But getting stuck in a solo loop of "study material" is not actively engaging with the native language as it is used in the real world. Figure out enough of the language to ask "what is the word for (have enough words to describe anything in related words)?" and you're effectively fluent at that point.
>>515803113うわ〜懐かしい
>>515803198keksorry pajeet, but she's cucking you
>>515793073Grammar structure is easier if you start from Turkish
>>515793073The Japanese will either be extinct or replaced with Africans who will use their own ebonic tongue. Learning any amount of that language is a waste of time.
>>515793073Realistically that depends on what you mean with learning Japanese. Essentially all difficulty, in particular the writing system, present in learning Japanese is also present in learning Mandarin or Cantonese, with the latter two being, in addition, tonal. I would argue for an English or any Indogermanic native speaker, Chinese is much harder than Japanese.
>>515793073Chinese is harder dummy
>>515803252>うわ〜懐かしいSee shit like this is demoralising. It's 99% hiragana and then I get cucked with the kanji.
>>515803356>AustraliaCalm down, chink.
>>515799762Eh, some of it is probably comparative lack of motivation, but there are a lot more exceptions and irregularities in Arabic compared to Japanese, imho. Hungarian basically comes across as literal insanity to my Indo-European brain. Pitch accent and it's regional variations doesn't really come close. The fun part about Chinese is how fast it can be read, though "simplified" Chinese makes it harder, I think.
>>515803072? What is this supposed to mean?
>>515803198Built for Noyama Hiroshi
>>515803520saying 掛ける just means to hang is like saying run just means to move your feet fast
>>515793073it's fun to study tho(i'm still n3)
ive been trying to learn russian but theres effectively nothing enjoyable to read or listen to in that language, and interacting with them online is a horrible experience
>>515803488んーー。わかったね。世の中最もありがたい存在はセフレだと言えるかな〜
>>515793467>>515793646looks immensely kino, what should i watch? there's apparently dozens of films
>>515802066>>I have another 5 years of study before I truly understand what 掛ける meansPlease elaborate, and explain your current understanding for those of us who aren't on your journey. Curious minds would like to hear more, if you would indulge.
>>515802806I technically "know" several hundred hanzi and kanji, as in I know the pinyin/romanji used in typing out the characters and I can recognize it like a face, but I do not know how to write them any more than most people can draw the face of a person they know. Watch someone type in Japanese or Chinese to see what I mean.
You are wrong. Yup'ik eskimo is yhe hardest language to learn.
>>515796312no one jouzu'd me, not even once :(
>>515803504Ranjesh, post your discord and I'll send you my veiny BWC. You can probably even send it to the gal that's cucking you and see what she thinks
>>515803637Ok, maybe I am missing something? Care to elaborate? I am pretty confident that is what you use when you're talking about hanging up a picture on the wall...
>>515803801start with the first one, the tale of zatoichi or zatoichi mongatari
>>515793073English is not suitable for math.Japanese is more efficient for that.
>>515803828Unironically one of the hardest concepts to grasp in Japanese is fucking かかる, picrel
>>515803637駆ける
>>515803463Initially Japanese is easier, but quickly spirals into convoluted grammar.Initially Chinese is harder, you never get to avoid the Chinese characters, but the grammar is super easy and the word order is the same as English so it's more straightforward to convert a thought into a sentence.
>>515803372The same way scholars use Latin today to read ancient religious texts, scholars of tomorrow will use Japanese to read ancient NTR doujins
>>515793073Believe it or not Polish is the most difficult to learn. Tolkein even mastered Finnish and based Elvish on it. But he found Polish baffling and really struggled with it. I've heard multiple reports that Polish is even harder than Chinese.
>>515803761>Hmm. I get it. I guess you could say that the most appreciated thing in the world is a sex friend.A sex friend you say? Maybe I'll go to a language exchange here and see if I can get a qt nip to teach me nihongo.
>>515793073Japanese and Chinese are completely different languages. However, the use of Chinese characters in Japanese has made it more complicated.
>>515804359If Polish people can figure it out it can't be that hard
>>515804155>1-9>10>100>1 000>10 000>100 million>1 trillionI have to stop and do math every time you people say anything. >千万Oh shit,that's 1000*10000, 7 zeroes, it has to be 10 million. That's jeet tier of math with their crore or whatever the fuck it's called.
>>515804405宿題をする後、レポートをくれなさい!
>>515803987it has over a dozen definitions, is used idiomatically in a lot of expressions, and it combines with other verbs to create verb compounds while introducing multiple possible meanings depending on the verb it combines withit's like the verb "set" in english, it's hard to even know what it means on its own
>>515793073Chinese is harder imo.>Would you learn Japanese?I am.
>>515804359Literally fucking how? It's basically 90% the same as other Slavic languages with slightly less ambiguity. So exchanges are longer than "Кaк дeлa?" "Хoлoднo."
>>515793073In terms of linguistic distance from English and difficulty for English speakers, this is truehowever, Japan also produces a ton of popular media, much of it subtitled, which encourages language learners. I think I'd have a harder time learning something like Vietnamese.I still struggle to wrap my head around particles though, I feel like I'm guessing half the time.毎日日本語に勉強します
>>515804607Not to mention document numbers 壱弐参
>>515793073Japanese is higher on the difficult spectrum but not too hard, the pronunciation actually feels very smooth to me. Chinese and Finnish are the hardest I've personally dabbled in, a lot more than Japanese.
>>515796818 >>515797661Thanks friends, I'll check them out
>>515804338Future anthropologists are really gonna have a fucked up time with this era
>>515797518It really wouldn't. Japanese has an absurd number of homophones. There are numerous words which can only be differentiated with kanji. Kanji I would argue is one of the easiest parts of the language. At least its possible to memorize kanji. What am I even meant to do with the dozens of words that are all pronounced "こ"
>>515793073I speak arabic besides english, if I would learn something it's chinese, these chinks will take over the world better be prepped
>>515802806Same with Russian ë
>>515800027Well yes, he created the image
>>515804607A thousand thousands is a million. Ten of those is ten million. It's just simple, basic logic. Continue in your efforts, and the stain of Muhammedanism may eventually wash away, exposing your darkened mind to the light of reason.
>>515799577What extension is that anon?, the normal subs of YouTube are horrible.
>>515793073I love how the 'letters' always make the same sound. It's a very satisfying language for my autism.
>>515804752Looks like that's way too advanced to where I am currently at, I know kakezan is multiplication, and tegakari is a clue, those are all the words that include the kanji that I know of.
>>515803828>>515803987It's abstract, but i'll try:If you look up ' 掛ける' in a JP to English dictionary, you'll be met with 20+ definitions. None of these are truly right or wrong per se, these English definitions are actually examples of a core concept of what the word means in Japanese. The English language doesn't have a word that encapsulates that concept, hence the 20+ definitions, each definition representing different scenarios in which the word could be used. In short, the word doesn't translate so the real meaning isn't understood until you naturally gain an understanding of it through repeated exposure.
>>515805400So you did exactly what I did? Doing math? Thanks for nothing Jose.
>>515804338English localizers often come up with better dialogue for any dojin than even the original authors because English has an inclination to use subtly different words instead of repeating the same ones back to back. Many times there are iconic lines in anime that just aren't there in the original.
>>515804850>Something something, I'm learning Japanese.I'm basically a genius
>>515804428Kanji are the only thing saving written Japanese from becoming gookslop. There are a lot of creative/poetic uses of kanji with similar sounds or ideas. And they show without a shadow of a doubt what you mean in a language that is already pretty context dependant. Just look at 科学 and 化学
>>515793073No, everywhere in Asia it's common to use translation apps on your phone to communicate with foreigners. In places of business they already know English words as they accommodate tourists all the time. The women certainly don't give a fuck and they're going to try to speak English to you anyway.The most useful second language to learn is actually Spanish.
>>515805831You spoony bard!
>>515802983Also Koreans usually have more direct experience with English, and China is a poorer country so people tend to put more effort into developing skills that can be useful for business. Their moms will beat them if they don't.
>>515798202素晴らしい文化人ですね。
>>515803652AI covers everything now, you can make your own
>>515794585it's about time you remove all katakana loanwords if you really want to make the language harder for foreigners
>>515805722Just to be clear, all of them are variations of the 掛 kanji or variations of the kakeru/kakaru with different kanji?
>>515805946>No, everywhere in Asia it's common to use translation apps on your phone to communicate with foreignersI've had a couple people do this to me (and I frequently look up words on my phone myself) but I wouldn't say it's common. People using English with me unprompted happens way more often, as it is studied in school here.Probably gets annoying if you're from a European country which doesn't speak English, but I'm American-born so it's okay
>>515806283Yes I am just talking about 掛. Not including homonyms.
>>515793073There's a whole ass semi-permanent thread on /int/ that has the easiest "how 2 learn Japanese" section ever conceived.If you don't know how to use it. You literally can't even read english.Skill issue.
>>515804836Yeah, Polish is nowhere near the hardest. It's probably the easiest Slavic language for a Westerner besides Czech, though Slavic languages have complicated grammar. Their case systems were less washed away than in Romance or particularly non-German Germanic languages.
>>515805477Immersive Translate for Chrome, it uses AI to create them from audio then translate them to any language and pick out any word to any other language. there are lots of other extensions like it but they all do the same thing since it's just basic OpenAI tech but used creatively
>>515793073maybe having such a retardedly overdifficult language is the secret to them being smarter than their fellow chinx
>>515805011I think the complaint is often moreso about onyomi and kunyomi, just because you know the character to use doesn't mean you know how it will be pronounced because they're just plugging Chinese characters in overtop of the Japonic language haphazardly and just making everything increasingly more convoluted for no benefit. There's no more problem speaking Japanese than writing it phonetically, but writing it with Chinese characters creates more problems than it solves, not because they're Chinese characters but because they're not coherent with the spoken language.
>>515805011I assume you can differentiate them the same way spoken Japanese does, by context. Sometimes people give the kanji for clarification but that's usually to clear up minor misunderstandings.
>>515806481the pop-up dictionary is Mate Translate, Immersive Translate generates the subtitles
>>515806491actually japanese is easier, if you forget how to write a kanji you could just write the pronunciation instead. in chinese though, if you forget how to write a kanji you're fucked because there's no alphabet to fallback into
>>515806006https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmfyp_4JpUE
>>515805946Oh man look at that perfect skin.
>>515806388>>515806283Go be autistic somewhere else. Every language has words with billions of unrelated meanings, just you don't notice them in your native language because they're like water to a fish. English has plenty words like that, like "set" or "run" or "put". Languages don't have one-to-one translations to each other, news at 11, whoop-de-fucking doo. Fuck you you fucking fuck.
>>515806809Go eat trash somewhere else
>>515806699Add the overcomplicated languate to the already strained social makeup of China and any other country that uses equally archaic language systems and you suddenly realize why they are seen as disciplined but also why they suffer from so much normalized insanity and unique asocial behaviors.
>>515793899Strong Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is not true.
>>515806809Why are you so triggered by someone genuinely trying to learn something new? Is it because I am not trying to learn your rape Spanish?
>>515806551>t. brainletKanji makes written language MORE expressive. Good writers play with the kanji they use to evoke certain feelings or even make up new words with combinations. You wouldn't know this because you don't read books in any language. (Try reading Mishima in the original, the breadth of his language is fascinating and adds real depth for those who understand)>>515806368You live in Tokyo (the nigger/jeet capital of japan) try somewhere else. Where I live I have NEVER even seen a shitskin.
>>515805946Gonna be honest, unless you can pull a seductive spaniard accent, you are just going to sound like a retard. But if you do pull it off. You will sweep off your feet a bunch of women instantly. I still have no fucking clue why it works. It's either a 99% success chance or 0%.>T. Proffessional spanish speaker
>>515805946Pic related makes a good point
reminder that all translation is parodycope to think otherwise
>>515805946One time on a trip to Japan I saw this really hot girl working at the local fair in a small rural village. When I got back home I found the local high school's name, found the school twitter account, and searched through their entire photo history until I found a picture of the very same girl. I was quite satisfied.
>>515794423He's incorrect, at least beyond minor differences of perception, but you sound inbred. There's nothing wrong with appreciating literature, philosophy, or the aesthetic of a language.
>>515806699there is, pinyin or zhuyin, the same phonetic script you need to type them on any device
>>515804670I will sir, if I get her pregnant does that mean I get PR or do I have to marry her?>>515807305coomers are limitless in their powers. These are jav whores though, not students
>>515793073Must be pretty hard considering all of the wapanese right wing grifter accounts can't fucking use it.
>>515793073I moved to Japan in 2019 with zero Japanese. I passed JLPT N1 this year. I am nowhere near fluent. I would not recommend anyone to study Japanese.
>>515807047Chinese characters are great for poetic meaning... in the language they're taken from, Chinese. They're not great patched over a busted Japonic language.
>>515807454Have to be added to her family's koseki. Basically her father will decide if you get deported (you will).
>>515793369sono tori desu
>getting filtered by sandnigger langaugeArabs have an average iq of like 80, you should be able to learn their language no problem
>>515807773What do you do here? I lived here 4 years and everyone at my job speaks eigo. I'm barely at N4 level just from osmosis. Never made a real effort at leaning more than like a word a week.
>>515807820I'm telling you they are. But you wouldn't know either way.>>515807773I am 7 years down the road from N1, and still learning some stuff. I now lead meetings and negotiations at times though, so I feel a certain pride. Never give up looking up words you hear and are unsure of, or kanji you can't quite always remember.>>515808062ALT? I work as a project leader (Development) at a big automotive manufacturer. Why bother living in a country if you just live like an Ameriturd anyway?
>>515808062I work in the office of a japanese fashion brand doing sales. I already had lots of industry connections before coming to Japan.
>>515795835Confirming thisArabic is retardedVowels are optional and on gut feeling, and even when you think you've learned a root your shitty MSA-based pronunciation isn't good enough for anyone to actually understandContextual grammar is English-tier in the sense that its more like a suggestion with a million every-day exceptionsoverall worst language to learn would not recommend at all
Why are 99% of western foreigners in Japan insufferable lefties?
>>515793073Japanese pronunciation is very easy for me. Chinese, on the other hand, is almost impossible.
>>515808205>I am 7 years down the road from N1, and still learning some stuff. I now lead meetings and negotiations at times though, so I feel a certain pride. Never give up looking up words you hear and are unsure of, or kanji you can't quite always remember.Thats good to hear. I make it kindof a rule to either look up words I don't know or jot them down so i can remember them and look up later when I am reading something. The test itself having it over with also makes me feel so much better because I don't have to think about it and can just focus on reading whatever I want.
>>515808205I am unironically work at a research centre (won't say more than that) after first working at a university (got my degree outside JP) studying materials science. I came here because why not, I thought it would be cool. It kinda blackpilled me on Europe, it so much nicer here than Germany.
>>515808447Most high earners here I've met aren't. The ALT/International School teachers are all 110 IQ redditors. >>515808550To get to N1 you need to be proactive anyway, so yeah just keep being curious and remember there's still more to it.
>>515807936Who told you arabs can speak Arabic? Arabic is an extremely unforgiving language, and even its native speakers cannot speak it correctly.
>>515807822>checkedkek, I doubt it. His daughter is the cure for my terminal yellow fever
>>515808205肏你妈
BLACK GENOCIDE... NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>515793073what's even the point of learning japanese anymore? anime sucks, japanese games are terrible and japan is full of elderly people
>>515808742Well that is what? 95% of all western foreigners here? most leave within 5 years anyway and with the weak yen probably sooner.
>>515808447Because reddit copies everything 4chan does a few years after them.
>>515804071>>515793646>>515793467looks kino
>>515808739That makes even more sense. High IQ JP autists have to learn English to get anywhere in the sciences. If you want to make friends outside you're going to have to put some effort into the Japanese though. (A GF/Wife is obviously the best way to learn, natural motivation) Yeah, I like it here a lot more than Australia too. >>515808882KYS Chink
>>515808742>high earners aren't left wingwell duh, that's true anywhere in the world, the left is for ordinary people not the rich
>>515793073>one word has 20 meaningyea no shit
>>515809200Plenty of rich people in Australia and the UK (the countries I'm most familar with) are libtarded to the max. Some of my high school friends earn mid 6 figures in Australia and still thinks Joe Rogan is a nazi or whatever
>>515793073For americans all languages are hard, including English.Arabic is way worse than Japanese, mainly due to right-to-left script and sounding utterly disgusting. Russian is hard as shit because they make up words as they go and use a ton of slang words. And don't even get me started of fucking tonal languages.
Why bother? Learn hindi, the next language of japan.
>>515793073Japanese is like learning 3 languages at the same time. Mostly due to having 2 major writing systems that aren't latin. Other languages written with latin letters are far easier for anglos because you can immediately read the language with no thought, even if you're bad at pronunciation.
