I’m trying to understand the logic here. If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin? From what I gather, as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoing. Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?another thought: the cross became the symbol because that’s what he died on. But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?Also, how does “free will” fit into all this? If sin is inevitable, isn’t the whole system kind of stacked from the start?
>>515842533It's a story rooted in rebirth myths, and jewish rituals. It's not really about everyone in the world, the church just retconned that in.
>>515842533its a jewish mythology bro, why do you apply european style logic to this? there is none. Just worship the jew and trust the plan.
save yourself the trouble and stay away from that jewish nonsense. just read Meditations and other books in the western canon for your ethos and equipoise. I could recommend some based on your interests
The real Jesus is the Jewish nation, which suffered for humanity's sins.Jesus was an LGBTQ individual who did actions like advocate race mixing with Samaritans and Greeks so that he could respectably engage in sex with other men.
Im no expert but I believe it only washed the "original sin" which is to say that before the sacrifice people were born with sin and after they are born with a blank slate and are only judged on their life going forward
>>515842533Its a mythology of butthurt jews writing an apocalypse where god will come down to earth, dies, then uses his death as justification to destroy the world. The butthurt was born from being conquered thoroughly by Rome.
>>515842533Read the Catechism and St. Thomas Aquinas
>>515842533My theory is that christianity is just an extremely well designed cope
>>515842533>From what I gather, as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoing.The whole idea with semitic religions is that you can do all sorts of bad shit, and then the rabbi will forgive you so you can feel good about yourself. In Aryan religions if you fuck up you've fucked up, you don't get to be a dishonorable asshole and then be absolved by killing chickens or kneeling to some rabbi on a stick. The semitic concept of religion appeals to women, dysgenic peasants and psychopaths, which explains how it became so popular.
>>515842533he was the god made flesh to bleed for our sinswhatever sins you carry are your own firegive yourself
>>515843849ok nigger feet kisser
Sin is to miss the mark. To repent is to correct your sights such that you do not miss in the same way again. By dying on the cross, Jesus both represented this cycle, the idea that by repenting the old you dies, and a new you is born. This is the idea. It is also an act in which the father forsakes the son, in other words, it is god abandoning himself. This is important because you are made in the image of god and you are forsaken by god. That is alright though, because even jesus is forsaken by god and can still be redeemed. This means you can also be redeemed. So yes, the whole system is stacked from the start, but you can still be redeemed. You should still be trying.As for the cross, it is a symbol much older than christianity and has its significance. It represents the threshold between the heavens and the earth. It also is associated with fire in terms of water, earth, air and fire. This is significant. Fire represents this exact same dynamic process of death and resurrection associated with human enlightenment which is people on the earth reaching towards the heavens.
>>515842533Your getting into white European Jesus which is based on paganism and death worship/molech, altered by the council of nicea. It won’t and will never make sense. You have to learn true yeshua/yehuda/gnostic texts.
>>515844217>even jesus is forsaken by godthis is schizophrenic
>>515843380no we still have original sin, God forgives us but we have to accept his forgiveness in order to get into Heaven
>Judaism, Islam and Christianity.>The creator shaped everything>create sin>hate sin
>>515843986it's spiritual laziness, no wonder it appealed to the masses
>>515842533>>515842533My second post on 4chan in about 20 years.Christ objectively died for the sins of all creation on the cross.We subjectively receive this forgiveness of sins in baptism.You'll hear a lot of people say baptism means immersion, thinking it's about the water, when in actuality it's about the immersion of the Holy Spirit into you at that moment.TLDR; Objective v. Subjective JustificationFree Will prior to Baptism is only free to sin, not to freely choose God.Once Immersed with the Holy Spirit, and given a new heart therein, you can begin to have person that can truly receive nd do God's will, despite still being a fallen flesh which still gets in the way at times.Hope this helps o7t. LCMS Lutheran
>>515844323If you don't think the core of christianity is schizophrenic then you are wrong. Go read some ancient Egyptian theology. It makes absolutely no sense unless you realize the level of drug induces schizophrenia these people were working under
>>515844420>Free Will prior to Baptism is only free to sin, not to freely choose God.jewish word salad. Goofy shit.
>>515842533TL;DR Jesus died, went to Hell, saw you OP specifically masturbating to furry hentai and guro porn and said "Yeah I'm cool with having died for this, totally worth it", then 3 days later after going through heroin withdrawals he got the fuck out of there and has been telling God "Fuck the Second Coming, I ain't going back there!" for the past 2 millennia.
>>515842533Before Christ's sacrifice on the cross people were dying and just going to hades (between heaven and hell) because there was no way to truly repent for your sin. The death and resurrection created a clear path to repentance and a way to absolve sin.There is very technical reasons behind this but I am not a monastic professor or anything so this is the short explanation.
>>515844370Kek, a newly born human that hasn't done anything whatsoever yet doesn't have any "sin." That whole concept is retarded and offensive.
>>515842533Newsflash: it's made up. Don't waste your time.
>>515844555these ancient religions at least gave people some understanding of the world, no matter how retarded stories were. Gods were pretty human, they had human traits, but the stories were pretty coherent. Jew myths are so twisted and contradictory no sect has the same reading about which ones are real and which ones are symbolic. Goofy shit.
>>515844860>original sinthis is white guilt ver 0.5. They hate libtards, because they are their direct competition.
>>515843152Motivation and meaning in my own lifePolitical systems used to control masses of peopleOutlets, creative, physical or otherwiseAny recommendations for me?
>>515845343wait till you read John 4;22
>>515842533>>515842871>>515843041>>515843152>>515843260Everyone who opposes the gospel is a woman. To be more clear..
>>515845343So I am a woman after all??? So much for YWNBAW
>>515842533>Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?Yes.Romans 6:1-6 (KJV) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.Romans 6:23 (KJV) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Colossians 3:4-10 (KJV) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
>>515845525No one but Christ is perfect enough to save. HE saves men. We can only try our best.
>>515844938I mean I think great value can come from most religious stories if you can understand them. I think what you are saying is somewhat true for say hellenistic polytheism. I don't think it's true for ancient alexandrian myths though. Christianity is really a mash of jewish, greek and egyptian mythology imo. Also remember that what we think of as judiasm is actually only the rewriting of the religion that really happened after christianity. Fundamentally, I think every story is going to have at least a bit of fiction. The important thing is not whether or not stories are based on true events though. I don't really give a fuck whether Moses was a real person.
>>515844323>even mario was forsaken by the couch dweller, as he could not look upon the way mario crouched atop toadstool in this moment, and went to the fridge for some more salsa before unpausing and continuing the crouch-hump that only the couch dweller found amusing for reasons only he understands
>>515845726>if you can understand thembut there we come to the christian pilpul - if you expose the story as retarded and cringe worthy then you are reading it wrong, its meant to by symbolic, it doesnt mean what it says!
>>515842533It is all jewish bullshit from 2000 years ago. What did you expect? Logic?>But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchairThen he would be in fact god emperror of the mankinds and we wuold be sacrificing daily about 100k people with psychich power to keep him alive in that wheelchair for 10k years.
>>515845667I agree to using he for christbin English but isn't the more literal translation from the ancient texts a pronoun that kind of accends he or she, God being an omnipotent being is rightfully labeled "he" in English but isn't gendered initially. Or am I wrong, another anon explained this to me. Please provide some evidence or explanation if you want to convince me.
>>515845949>YOUR TODDLER DESERVES LEUKEMIA AND THIS IS PART OF MY GRAND PLAN, BECAUSE I LOVE YOU! IF YOU EVER DEFY ME OR MY SON WHO I KILLED I WILL SEND YOU INTO PITS OF TIMELESS MAGIC LAVA
>>515845300>Motivation and meaning in my own lifeMeditations, seneca's letters, man’s search for meaning (frankl)>Political systems used to control masses of peoplethe republic, the prince >Outlets, creative, physical or otherwisethese are pretty personal journeys, but I've recently been reading Walden and love it, maybe you'll find something in there
>>515846171I dont give a damn about you. Christ does.
>>515842533>Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?another thought: the cross became the symbol becNo, it's just an update to the jewish rituals of "transferring your sins" to a chicken before killing him. Because they chimped out at the Romans and got their temple destroyed, they couldn't practice this yearly ritual as was tradition in the temple, so they were very worried, and invented the yeshuah story because that way, the sacrifice is eternal and not tied to a temple.>wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?Yes>Also, how does “free will” fit into all this?It doesn't really mean anything. It's an entire (((debate))) full of pilpul, the tldr is that you either follow yahweh's order to the letter because it's a cult of authority with 0 nuance, or you get sent to hell forever.
>>515845300also for meditations, get gregory hays translation. it's basically an AI summary (but written well before chatGPT). if you want an accurate translation from the original, meric casaubon
>>515846199>in 5,876,342,430 permutations your life sucked nigger dicks; w/o causing more harm across other individual accounts and patching free will this permutation with leukemia is optimal for your soul. dial kys if you'd prefer the permutation where you are a tranny.
>>515846199>>515846199DubsLmao
>>515842533Bible wasn't meant for hyper-modern faggot clown world we are in right now, by all accounts we would be in hell
>>515845984You haven't read them.
>>515846225Ty>>515846380Tbh I Don't mind a longer read but I don't need 500 extra pages for the sake of it if it isn't needed
>>515842533All conditions exist simultaneously.It's called quantum mechanics.Very difficult for smooth brain to grasp yes.
>>515845984I don't think you should have faith in anyone telling you how to interpret the text. I also don't think you should focus solely on one religion. I do think if you take the time to learn the history of the developments of different religious ideas and use your brain you can come to some understanding which might be useful. Reading the corpus of the narratives people have told themselves over the last few millennia can actually be valuable. Assuming they have the same world view as you makes a lot of them seem backwards and stupid.
>>515844323>this is schizophrenicYeah
>>515846789>I don't think you should have faithThis bullshit people speak. They know not what they do.
>>515842533>In Aztec mythology, the Quinametzin were a race of giants who inhabited the world during a previous era, the Sun of Rain (Nahui-Quiahuitl). They failed to venerate the gods and were punished with a great flood for their arrogance and lack of respect. This divine displeasure led to the end of their civilization, and their massive constructions, like the pyramids of Teotihuacan and Cholula, are attributed to them in legend. Jesus' actual message was to find the Kingdom of God within. The Father he speaks of praying to is the pure consciousness, Akasha. The faggots that flooded the world will twist any message, they don't care, as long as you don't understand the power of your own mind. They couldn't kill all of the "men of renown", their blood lives on in Aryans.
>>515846199He is God and He does as He wishes.All your Shitpost just gained was leukemia for your great grandchild.
>>515846171Christ is always He. God has two different names, yahwey and elohim. One of them is always He and one of them is gender neutral in some books and not in others. The holy spirit should be feminine imo but in English it is almost always masculine. There are different languages where it is always feminine. I think in OG languages its normally gender neutral but I don't remember. I think the father should be gender neutral, the son should be masculine and the ghost should be feminine.
>>515842533Why do we still sin"I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."Romans 7If you decide to interpret the Bible only by yourself though, that's pride, and you need the whole picture to interpret part of it correctly, therefore check out Eastern Orthodoxy and its patristic teachings.There is recognized to be 3 "stages' of Christian life, that is purification, illumination, deification.Purification is getting rid of the old man, of the submission to the law of sin in us. In other words, in the beginning of Christian life, you will start to recognize, that you do what you hate.
OP, notice how majority of the posters here aren't actually here to answer your question, but instead make assertions and strawmen of the Christian faith, but fear not, I will answer your questions>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin?Ever since Adam and Eve chose to disobey God and eat the apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, we have been in a fallen state. Humanity was so wicked and abominable at one point that God decided to wipe them 99% of humans on Earth, sparing those he deemed righteous, named Noah. While Noah was Righteous in the eyes of the lord, he was still a sinner, imperfect, and not good, because only God is truly good (Mark 10:18). To be Good and free from sin is to be perfect (Matthew 5:48); however, this is impossible because all have sinned (Romans 3:23) so we are all guilty of sin. In summary, Sin is defiance of Gods law, which is not only written down in scripture, but is also written in our hearts (Romans 2:15) it's the choice to do what you want, not what you know is right.>Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoing. Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?You are fren, don't worry, I'll explain it. In the old Covenant, an animal sacrifice was required in order to repent and return back to the Lord (Leviticus 1:2-3 tells us that this is a choice, and that it is up to us to mend our relationship with God) Why? Because in order for you to understand the weight, and severity of your sins, something innocent must die. This was the law laid down by God. Ezekial 18:26 tells us that the wage of sin is death, if we will constantly sin despite our repentance, how will we be saved? This is where Christ's sacrifice came in; he showed his love for us by giving his life as the animal sacrifice, freeing us from sins and turning us into slaves to righteousness. This shows God is perfectly loving, and perfectly just. Loving enough to give his life for us, Fair enough to not break his own rules.
>>515847397>OP, notice how majority of the posters here aren't actually here to answer your questionJudge not evil one
You fucking pukes think you're bad motherfuckers.You aren't SHIT.You're less than fleas on a dogs ass.If God so much as looks away from you because you have become so repulsive, you will cease to have ever existed.BOW DOWN AND TREMBLEPISS YOURSELF AND SOIL YOUR SHOES BEFORE THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORDSTICK YE IN THE SICKLE AND TREAD THE WINEPRESS OF WRATH FOR THE HARVEST IS RIPE
>>515842533>Why do people still sin if Jesus died for sins?His death doesn’t remove our ability to sin, it removes sin’s power to condemn us. Humanity is still weak, and free will remains. What changes is that forgiveness and reconciliation with God are now possible through Christ. Salvation is both already (forgiveness given) and not yet (full renewal comes when Christ returns).>"Takes the blame”, is that all?It’s deeper. Jesus didn’t just take punishment instead of us, but broke sin’s hold by entering death and overcoming it. Repentance is not a loophole, it’s turning back to God and receiving a new life that gradually transforms the heart.>Why the cross as symbol?It became the symbol because of how he died. If it had been another form, likely that would have carried the weight. But the cross was also the Roman tool of shame, cruelty, and power. Christ turned it into a sign of victory, turning the world’s worst into God’s triumph. That reversal is part of its meaning.>Free will and inevitability of sinChristianity teaches that sin is inevitable in fallen humanity, but not irresistible. Free will means we can choose, but our nature is bent toward sin without God’s Spirit. The “system” isn’t stacked, rather Christ enters our broken condition and opens a way of true freedom, which otherwise we couldn’t reach.Jesus’ death and resurrection don’t remove free will or human weakness, but they make forgiveness real, reconciliation possible, and transformation certain for those who cling to him.
>>515842533Protestantism is not Christianity.All your stupid questions only apply to Protestant mindrot conceptions that don't even exist in the Christian worldview.
>>515846457The bible is definitely made for hyperbolic clownworld. It's like pilgrim's progress out there, watching the rest of the world waiting for their destruction or plunging into it while Christian walks a narrow path beset on all sides by hazards, fights demons, suffers persecution, and ultimately finds his way home.
>>515842533Anyone that claims to be a Christuck on this website is either a newfaggot or a larper
>>515847397>the cross became the symbol because that’s where he died on. But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?well, there are other Christian symbols, like the fish, predominantly used in early Christianity, but it's a funny thought to think about lol > How does “free will” fit into all this? If sin is inevitable, isn’t the whole system kind of stacked from the start?The answer to Free will varies depending on what denomination you ask (for Example, Calvinists believe in Pre-destination), but essentially, God gives us the gift of free will so that we may choose to follow him out of love, not obedience. It's why God doesn't fully reveal Himself to humanity, otherwise you'd have no choice but to follow him>>515847488This was addressing the several larpagan/gaytheist "It's Jewish bro, don't even worry bout it" posts I saw. I'm not claiming moral or spiritual superiority over these people.>Judge notChrist was very judgmental of the Pharisees who made a mockery of his father's house, was he wrong for getting angry, even whipping them for it? You also seem to be forgetting a critical part of Matthew 7:1>"Judge not, or you will be judged." This verse is about hypocrisy, not judging someone in general, literally just read the next four chapters
>>515842533Why not ask a priest? The answers won't be unbiased, but you'll at least get the basics.
>>515842533No. Jesus paid the price and took the sins of the world past, present and future upon himself. He didn't take the blame because he was blameless. It was an expression of God's love for humanity that he was willing to die for our own sins.Yes we would be wearing wheelchairs because that was the instrument of God's death and and the triumph over death. Free will in the Christian view is the freedom to do the will of God or not. God loves you enough to allow you to turn against him but the freedom to return to him. Humans aren't born knowing God like Angels who have a fixed will. God allows us to discover him and make mistakes.Sin still exists because we haven't reached the End. We tend to underplay the severity of Adam's sin and how devastating it was on the human soul. The system wasn't stacked All Adam had to do was not eat a specific fruit.Another thing to note is that Jesus was there at the beginning of creation. He wasn't created after the fact. When God allowed man to fall on account of Man's freewill, God also had planned how it would be payed off by coming and dying.
>>515848178>Christ was very judgmentalSo quote his word in the future.
>>515849200The entire Gospel of Luke is Christ being very critical.
>>515849274I don't care for your words. The bible is the word of God.
Proof the Bible is the word of God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Cor. 15:3-4)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntcJesus Christ is God who came to earth from heaven in the flesh. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and is now in heaven. Do you regret your sin? You're a sinner according to God, but the blood atonement of Jesus Christ is sufficient to wash your soul from all sin eternally. Do you want to be redeemed with the sinless blood of The Lord Jesus Christ? “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9)Jesus said: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:28) God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Either choose this evil world and be punished along with it, or choose to submit to the will of God and be saved. Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you. You're corrupt and need to be saved. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9). Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned. Do you choose your righteousness or the righteousness of God?“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8-9)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPchtYsXNohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ
>>515847081too bad he is not real and this jewish rules are pshychopathic>>515846435>its akshuly good if christian babies get leukemiaYAY>>515846520I did
>>515849200>Matthew 23: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."Spare me your fake piety; you have no spiritual authority over me, and I care not for your words. Have you even read the bible? If you did, you'd actually know the Bible is not the direct word of God in the same sense as the Quran is, like you think here, but is instead divinely inspired scripture written down by infallible, sinful humans.>>515849478
>>515849882>the buybull is true and real because its so fucking retarded literaly no can believe you can write such trite with having a human brain
>>515850054>Spare me your fake pietyDo my words seem pious to you? >>515846334
>>515850152>Memeflag makes strawmansTypical. Indian until proven Jewish
>>515850500blah blah blah, you wont do shit, go suck tommy robinsons dick, you animal
>>515850618Humour me, why is Christianity Jewish? Can you at least articulate a single point, or does JIDF not pay you enough? If all you got is Christcuck memes then you are in fact, a moron.
>>515844406>lazyYou ever tried to love somebody who's persistently mistreated you?
>>515850763>why is Christianity Jewishread the early life section on rabbi jeshua dawg...
>>515842533>I’m trying to understand the logic here.There is no logic. Simply bend the knee and say thank you Lord. Amen!
The Bible is true.We know it's true because it said it was true. It's right there, read the page.Also because we were indoctrinated at a young age, so that means the religion is true. Because we are the main character of life.
Christianity is bullshit brainwashing. It is an apocalypse cult and doesn't reflect reality at all. What ever god is, it is incomprehensible
>>515842533Cannibalism / Human-Sacrifice was rampant back then.Sacrifice's were done to appease their imagined god, and to transfer (((Their))) sins onto the sacrificed animal/human... Its witchcraft-sorta thing.Jesus Christ Ended ALL of that bullshit, including the Ass-Rape of babies / toddlers.
>>515843152>equipoiseNice steroid
>>515850763Originally? Probably. Sure. Fuckin' Saul.By the time of the Crusades? Fuck all to do with jewishness.It of course started getting coopted later. See the advent of protestantism. That wasn't just people whining about the church being mean.Now? Now we have traditional protestant churches and the fucking catholics importing niggers and claiming faggotry is fine.Crypto jews.
>>515850029>i'm brownwe know
>>515851057>It is an apocalypse cultAnd what about the rich bastards? Is their cult more to your liking?>Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.>But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin? God realised the old rules where people are punished weren't making any difference and causing undue suffering so all sin is forgiven, people still sin because people sin (God also isn't all perfect if you read the people, God admits that he is wrathful, jealous, murderous, maybe a drunkard, and he also enjoys gambling with the devil - makes sense, we're made in His image after all, thus he too has a likeness to us and our humanity - Jesus is the literal personification of this and showcasing that we too can actually be good and live Heaven on Earth)>as long as someone repentsdon't even need to do that, the sin is forgiven already, God just wants you to be the best you you can be>If sin is inevitable, isn’t the whole system kind of stacked from the start?people make mistakes, its the striving for good that countsMoses had anger issues because the people he led were such degenerate fuckwits hence the rules in the first place, Noah was a drunkard, Isaac was conned by his son, etcy'know, you could just read the bible and find all this shit out yourselfit's all co-opted by varying organisations for their own gains because so many fuckwits refuse to read and so they can spin any of it however they like
>>515851406Hmmm trying to find the part in my post where I talked about rich people. The new testament has some decent takes on morality (mostly ignored by Christians today), and I can appreciate some of jesus' teachings without believing in the spiritual aspect of it.
>>515842533>I’m trying to understand the logic here. If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin?Do you have kids? I can teach my kids about the basics of right and wrong but it's something they'll have to learn and experience it for themselves. It takes fucking up to understand forgiveness and whst it means to work for it. Not a lot of people want to genuine out the work in or lack any introspection to self evaluate thier mistakes >From what I gather, as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoingHave you ever been wronged by someone and they just give you a bullshit and/or half-assed "I'm sorry" where you know and they know they didn't mean it? Well that's not repenting. Repenting is understanding where you went wrong and why and working to not make those mistakes again t. Recovering atheist
>>515851265> SaulDon't deadname, bigot, it's Paul now.Paul would be considered religiously Jewish today, because he was a Pharisee, which is the sect modern Jewry descends from (It's where they get the Talmud and the Mishnah from). As for a racial Jew, I don't believe Ancient Israelites are the same race as modern Jews, which, if you do believe that, which Jews are we talking about his? The Azkenazis? The Mizrahis? Beta Israel? Hadrian killed millions of Israelites who didn't leave after the Second Temple and/or convert to Christianity, which left there gene pool very limited, so therefore they genes would've been mutted or inbred out of Existance.There's also the white Israelite/C.I thing, plus the Khazar theory, pick your poison>Now we have traditional protestant churches and the fucking Catholics importing niggers and claiming faggotry is fine.Neither Protestant nor Catholic, so I would somewhat agree with you there, just because some prots/caths are globohomo doesn't mean all are or they teach that doctrine. I can pull up pictures of Gay Pagans right now
>>515852088>I can teach my kids about the basics of right and wrongbetter not use the bible though. Because in the bible you literally stone your enemies to death and genocide entire towns. Oh and you keep slaves and treat outside groups as less than human. That's the bible for you.
>>515852232Saul Shekelberg.
>>515851735>I can appreciate some of jesus' teachings without believing>But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.You mightn't believe, but you needn't offend.
People sacrificed animals back then. Jesus was also executed for bullshit reasons on the biggest Jewish holiday of the year when they sacrifice lambs. It made sense to say that when your religion decides to end an ancient practice that predates Abraham. How else are you going to explain it to dumb people? Jesus' disciples kept saying most of the old law of Moses is for children and was no good anymore. Christianity for smart people is in their letters explaining it. Humans can corrupt any legal system. It failed Jesus. It failed in the past. Don't put too much faith into a so called "perfect system". Sacrificing animals does not work. Do what Jesus said to do. Here is some extra advice on how to apply the still valid part of the Old Testament with what Jesus said.3 levels. Church propaganda for the illiterate. Your priest might go into more detail in helping explaining it once in a while.The Gospels full of exoteric symbolism that might go over the reader's head. It has a 4 narrations of Jesus' ministry from beginning to end that might not be fully covered in church.The Epistles that explain most of what this all means and how to apply it to daily life.
>>515851057Jesus' death and resurrection represent your own ego-death and resurrection. The creation of the Magnum Opus to attain the Kingdom of God. In Vajrayana legend there once existed a kingdom of giants in Eastern Afghanistan that had all attained enlightenment. This is why they flooded the world, because they want us to worship them like slaves not look within for "God". Sat-Chit-Ananda is the true Trinity, and it means you're God. The predescessor to the cross is the Ankh which represents eternal life through unity of the polarities.
>>515852308Yeah man the bibke has some crazy shit in it but that also doesn't negate the values that it can also teach. It's made to speak to the core human emotions. It's why God is portrayed to also have human emotions.
>>515842533The official doctrine is he died for “original” sin. Prior to Jesus, people were born with original sin and all went to hell when they died no matter what. God had to become a human and then be killed to get rid of that original sin. After this the gates of heaven opened and people could go in. You can still sin and go to hell though. I never really got it. Seems kind of convoluted.
>>515852662>the values that it can also teach.Whenever christians talk about "morality" in the bible they talk about the 10 commandments, and a few of the things Jesus said.But what about the other 1000 pages? Why does your morality come from a few pages selected from an avalanche of crazy?
>>515842533>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin?>Also, how does “free will” fit into all this?Well, people have free will to sin. You also have free will to love and accept Jesus.If you kidnapped someone and held them captive, forced them to marry you and live with you do you think they'd truly love you? No, it's something that must come from you, something you choose to do.>But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?Maybe? Crucifixion was deemed for the lowest of the low, it was meant to be humiliating, painful and intended to condemn you beyond repute.The idea was that people took something horrific and turned it into a symbol of faith.The problem with your assumption is in thinking that being nailed to a cross is as innocuous as passing on in a wheelchair.
>>515852232>Paul would be considered religiously Jewish todayHe ceased to be a Pharisee when he ceased being Saul.Phillipians 3
>>515852916>Why does your morality come from a few pages selected from an avalanche of crazy?Mine doesn't. I look at Christ as an allegory of man overcoming selfish ego. Whether he actually existed or not doesn't matter to me because I believe in the core of his message and how he lived.I'm 40, morality is refined overtime and there are many avenues where one can look for good moral examples that isn't exclusive to any sort of dogma
>>515853516Yeah, slip of the tongue. As Saul, he would've been considered religiously Jewish, or close enough, as he was a Pharisee.>>515852456This would be funny if Paul didn't go out of his way to crush any attempt to Judaize Christianity as much as he possibly could. Paul is based because anyone who isn't Christian hates him
>>515851114They had degenerated into Sodomites.
>>515842533>if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?They should be.Their god is a cripple.
>>515853576Don't you think though, that in this world we live in, survival of the fittest is the rule? I wouldn't bismirch the idea that a god, or creator of some sort exists. This could be a simulation for all we know. But it seems like the 'rule' of this world is "the strongest thrive". Maybe that's not appealing to you, but it seems to be the case. There is virtue in strength. In being a strong man, a warrior, someone aggressive and decisive. These are good traits.But instead, christians always idolize weakness, self-sacrifice, things that turn you into a stepping stool.It's like when I envision a christian, I'm envisioning a man 5'2" and brown who begs on the street for a handful of bread. Where's the idolization of warrior traits, nobility, or power?
>>515850836>it's your fault I made you a sinful piece of shit, goy! Into the pit, love you!I generally handle it differently
>>515853845A jew is a jew, bro.
>>515852916Ikr. Just the same tired passagesHosea 4:10-12 (KJV) For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.
>>515843986People were getting killed left and right in the Old Testament for forgivable transgressions. Or they were ignoring all the rules and falling into absolute depravity depending on the time period. You can see a lot of inconsistencies even whey they were strictly applied. It was Aaron's idea to make a golden calf. Moses forgave him because he was his brother but executed a bunch of other people involved. The problem is Jewish enforcement. It is a shame that they came up with a fairly good moral code. Jews just suck at the application of it because it heavily depends on the mood of the judge and enforcers. This is why Christianity ditched the unnecessary ones to avoid lawfare when judges are in a bad mood.
>>515847081>my god is a god of infinite love, and if he isn't then well who cares he's god better keep your head down, goyDon't wanna
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>>515854162Not really. The Talmud is the foundation of contemporary Judaism when in the time of Christ it was the oral tradition that was revered only by the Pharisees. The other sects didn't believe in it.
>>515854571Jews are a race. Doesn't matter what ideology they believe in, they can be christians or liberals or nazis or talmudists. They're still the same deranged and deviant hooknoses. No jew in the history of humanity ever did anything of value, their whole race is a pure net loss.
>>515842533>Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?No. None if it makes sense to a smart person.The story of jesus is about god killing himself and resurrecting to save us. The story of noah is about god killing everyone for no reason. God killed everyone because they were sinners, they were still sinners after everyone died.
>>515854334I'm confused are Christians pacificistic cowards that alllow their enemies to kill them or brutal slave trading warlords?
>>515842533Hello Ahmed
>>515854856Those passages are for the jews. That's the old testament. Jews are the master race in the bible.Christians are taught to be good servants and slaves
>>515854779>Jews are a raceWhether or not they're a race, the way to defeat them is through theology and philosophy, not through racist copes.
>I’m trying to understand the logic here. If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin? From what I gather, as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoing. Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?Jesus death was an ultimate sacrifice of atonement to God the Father. This sacrifice aspect is a bit hard for us in modernity to understand I'll admit. But its the ultimate sacrifice which allows ultimate grace for humanity>another thought: the cross became the symbol because that’s what he died on. But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?Yes. As shown by the symbols used for the other apostles, like a saw for St Simon etc.>Also, how does “free will” fit into all this? If sin is inevitable, isn’t the whole system kind of stacked from the start?Actual sin is not inevitable, and you should not sin.
>>515842533Christians, while good people, have no resistane at all to racial cuckoldry. If some jew politician tells them that Jesus would have taken in all those starving Africans, then the Christian has no resistance to this. He is too naive and too in the clouds, not enough grounding in the cold harsh reality we live in.Dont get me wrong, I think Christians are good people, they are just too maladapted to the predatory politics of today.
>>515854035>Don't you think though, that in this world we live in, survival of the fittest is the rule?Sure and might makes "right" but "fit" or "mighty" comes in many forms and context >But it seems like the 'rule' of this world is "the strongest thrive".What does that acruallynmean to you? Look at your life, how has that applied? I'm genuinely asking, not being snarky >There is virtue in strength. In being a strong man, a warrior, someone aggressive and decisive. These are good traitsSure but without discipline then it seems it would be a waste. A strong flame isn't one that burns the brightest, but endures the longest >christians always idolize weakness, self-sacrifice, things that turn you into a stepping stool.Maybe but it's discipline that separatea an angry sperg from the timing of a tempered blade.>It's like when I envision a christian, I'm envisioning a man 5'2" and brown who begs on the street for a handful of bread.To me, to be Christ like, would be to invite the beggar to a meal and learn more about them >Where's the idolization of warrior traits, nobility, or power?It's being humble to break bread and help a fellow man in need, when thousands of people would step over and spit on the beggar
>>515854981Maybe if you make some new vigorous Aryan religion.
>>515855352Don't give shit to hobos, you'll never get rid of them. Seriously, it's a terrible idea.
>>515854035If you go too far in one way a warrior will abuse the shit out of everyone. Europe would be like India without the disgusting habits. Cultures seems to be the best when you got a mix of the best Christian and and pagan morality. Renaissance period up until the late 1800s did very well in pulling back some of that Abrahamic shit that does not work. Then it got too Jewed because every normie was reading the Bible and not enough were studying classical pagan literature.
>>515854948The Pharisees are far from being described as the master race in the Bible. The Bible also describes how they have turned from the covenant by denying the Messiah. They're described as fallen branches and an example of what can happen to Christians that walk away from God.
>>515842533>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin?Jesus died for our sins, not so that we could sin more but so that are sins would be forgiven (the wages of sin is death). We still have the flesh so we still will sin but when you are born again your sins are forgiven because Jesus became sin for us on the cross and condemned sin in his death and resurrection.
>itt>underage zoomers>memeflag spam>retarded niggers>trannies
>>515842533>Christianitythis is the TLDR
>>515855506Sadly you're not wrong. A majority of them want to be hobos to escape any responsibility. But I've personally seen some change their lives and all it took was for someone to extend genuine grace to help the stand up on their own. The tragedy is a society that reinforces the victimhood mindset.
>>515842533The catch is that you actually have to want forgiveness and not just pretend to want it like a Jew would.
Its funny because when you stare at the plastic on the floor with those wide beady little red eyes of yours, you always ask >whyand cry>I'm didn't mean to!and then the chainsaw cranks up.
>>515856047Give them a job doing gardening or some shit if you absolutely want to help them. None of them will accept, because they're hobos because they're lazy fucks and hobo life is easy in jew globohomo. But then you've actually tried to help them.
>>515855358Yes
>>515846886You are a disingenuous faggot.
>>515850152Finigger stopped posting the reddit links after I called him out multiple times
>>515842533You either get it or you dont there is no trying to. Im not trying to be human i am human. Im not trying to be based im based. If you are trying you arent there.All of this information is in the bible. Have a great time reading it.
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>>515851265Whites dying in the middle east for Israel... Whites killing native europeans for the jewish moshiah... Totally not Jewish
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>>515855352>Look at your life, how has that applied?I mean it's a christian culture, so we don't have those values baked into the cake. I've seen some of the warrior ethos as an athlete, it's really fun and energizing. Being super competitive and jockeying for position with equally competitive people. That's life, that's LIVING, when you're in the moment. If you're just humdrum, plugging it in, you're just a zombie, not even really alive. You're like a machine humming in the background while other people live.>without discipline then it seems it would be a wasteBut how much of the "discipline" in christianity really comes from the religion? Because remember, christianty did adopt a shitton of pagan culture when it spread into Germany. I believe a lot of these ideals about temperance, control, actually are not even sourced from Christianity. The ancient Greeks wrote about that stuff too, and the catholic church absorbed it from them.>invite the beggar to a meal like Glenn Beck handing out soccer balls to children coming over the border while crying his little eyes out. It's in-group morality that's being stretched to extend to out-groups.Why is the beggar the idealized symbol for a christian? Why not a warrior? Why not a man 7 feet tall covered in steel plate with a massive sword who overcame great challenges? That's what Hercules was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3R83ZUSEug
>>515854981We already know that christgolems always protected Jews, you don't have to say it twice
>>515847352I think most who would interpret the Bible on their own aren't really pridefully relying on their own understanding but leaning on God to help them understand. Eastern Orthodox seems more based than most other sects, on the surface, but maybe I just think that because I'm not as familiar with it.
>>515845508What if a tranny opposes the gospel?
>>515856330I understand brother. I've seen it myself. I see it as if one can be reached and chnaged then it's worth the struggle, albeit it's tested heavily
I quit watching porn thanks to God. What did your gay faggot false gods give you?
>>515858504That's not an achievement
>>515857387I would say it's prideful to assume that God will automatically give you the correct understanding. He can, but it's not a guarantee. These people believe in sola scripture yet the scripture itself warns against private interpretation. There is a reason prelest has sucha huge emphasis in orthodoxy.https://orthodoxwiki.org/Prelest
>>515858590Then try it yourself. Lust is evil, and so is putting ANYTHING before God.
>>515857373>LIVING, when you're in the moment. If you're just humdrum, plugging it in, you're just a zombie, not even really alive. You're like a machine humming in the background while other people live.Agreed 100%>But how much of the "discipline" in christianity really comes from the religion? I think you're looking at Christians and not Christ. I'd encourage you to read the NT and see what it says to you. Maybe you have and you don't see it and that's OK. But for me I had to stop basing Chriet off Christians >I believe a lot of these ideals about temperance, control, actually are not even sourced from Christianity. The ancient Greeks wrote about that stuff tooAgreed. I think the Greeks and Romans just made it more relatable with Jesus. It's why he spoke in parables that applied to th3 daily lives of the average person, like farming etc >like Glenn Beck handing out soccer balls to children coming over the border while crying his little eyes outThat's bullshit optics. I think ot takes genuine grace to take time out of your day to spend time with one someone less fortunate without making it a spectacle.>Why is the beggar the idealized symbol for a christian? I speak for myself. But the beggar has nothing more to lose save their life. They gave already done through an intense amount of trauma to be a beggar. Whether by their own doing or not. Its it that idolize them, rather, I relate to them. Most of us are one paycheck away from being in their shoes
>>515842533It's fucking fake and gay beyond reason. No evidence exists for Jesus. Josephus is a fake gay kike. Wasn't even around in the right time period. Christians are schizophrenics as evidenced by their normalization of voices in their head, acting on impulses, and disconnect from reality. Many unironically think the Earth is 6000 years old or the Bible was written in English originally. The vast, vast majority have never read their own book and understand very little about it in general. It's a grooming cult. Avoid.
>>515859074Fuck your disingenuous bullshit. You people come off like vipers or Wormtongue.Kill yourself you unmedicated schizo.
>>515859335>Fuck your disingenuous bullshitWhere am I being disingenuous my friend?>Kill yourself you unmedicated schizo.I'm not your enemy and I'm sorry for whatever hurt you're going through, I genuinely mean it
>>515859625Only Christians and kikes lobby for child marriage I wonder why that is. Fucking degenerate.
>>515859074>But the beggar has nothing more to lose save their life. They gave already done through an intense amount of trauma to be a beggar. Whether by their own doing or not. Its it that idolize them, rather, I relate to them. Most of us are one paycheck away from being in their shoesEXACTLYBecause Christianity is appealing to beggars, losers, disgusting wretches. The people who are weak. The warrior is not the default for a christian, because most christians are not warriors. They can't see themselves in that armor, they can't relate to that mentality. Christianity does not uphold that ethos.If christianity idealizes the beggar, it will produce more beggars. More weak people who are distraught, and downtrodden, and struggling. But a religion that embraces might, power, and wits, will produce people with those traits. People who are strong, beautiful, and sharp.
>>515859857>Only Christians and kikes lobby for child marriageI don't and I wouldn't call myself a Christian either>I wonder why that is. Fucking degenerate.I agree in this day and age but there was a time where marrying young was needed and had a whole different context to it than it does today
>>515860371>will produce people with those traits. People who are strong, beautiful, and sharpCalm down with your anti-semitism.
>>515842533Christcuckery is a meme religion. Its an extension of Judaism preached by a schizophrenic homeless carpenter that Rome kind of laughed at and put to death to appease a violent mob. Jews largely saw jesus as a threat because he was essentially a first century hippie and the more violent Jewish factions who wanted to rebel against Rome didn't like his peaceful messaging.
>>515842533It's Jeebus' fault. I want to believe but by now he should have put out a skibidi update to that ancient texts. What the f am I going to do with a story of mozes and his three wifes and goats who fall of a cliff in nazareth because of the samaradiwibians. I cant even read that stuff mayne. I did read Manga Jesus and it was the most wild disjointed and random stuff ever.
>>515860371Yeah pretty much. The Whites in prison are either all pagans or atheists, definitely not Christians.
>>515860371>Because Christianity is appealing to beggars, losers, disgusting wretchesI see it as the beggars, lovers and disgusting wretches have the opportunity for salvation. And I'm not talking about reciting a dogmatic incantation about accepting Jesus. Instead it's the notion that they have the ability and strength to overcome being a beggar, loser or disgusting wretch >If christianity idealizes the beggar, it will produce more beggars. Yes, it's just a cycle that encourages and then depends on it. Instead, replace idealize with guide and you'll not only produce the opposite of a beggar, but deter those who don't want to change. The thing these people fear most is putting in thr work to overcome because that also takes overcoming themselves
>>515861267>loversLosers*
>>515860371There is no enemy more formidable than your own fallen nature. The Christian lives his life in an unceasing war against it.
>>515842533Desert deth cult waiting for the jew to return one when everyone will die
>>515862045The christian lives his life diddling kids and worshipping a dead jew
>>515862313A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. (Proverbs 18:2)
>>515862517Ok but I can use a cross as a dildo on a church girl. And she'd prefer that bc women like bad boys.
>>515862517This is a good passage. But I'd also argue that at times, a fools opinion is necessary to reach understanding
>>515857959You become a woman for real
>>515863135The Proverbs are full of great one-liners, it's probably my favorite book in the Bible. Certainly, you need to know what someone truly thinks before you can properly address their views.
>>515843786>>515845450>kike says things to get in people's good gracesMore news at 11
>>515842533>The mysteries, my son, the mysteries. Don't try to understand them, doubting is a sin, just accept them. I am the bearer of truth, and the truth will set you free.>But I want to know the truth behind these mysteries.>Blasphemy, blasphemy. Shut up, kneel down, and ask for forgiveness.
>>515842533>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin? From what I gather, as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoing. Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?As Christians understand it, Jesus died to foot the bill for the sins of his followers who categorically reject sin, not to directly purge the world of sin (which quite obviously didn't happen), and came back to life because he himself was sinless and conquered the sins of Humanity.>another thought: the cross became the symbol because that’s what he died on. But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?No because the cross is a timeless symbol of life (general shape of a tree, of a human with its arms out, etc). What Christians did is appropriate, modify, and recontextualize the Ankh. If Jesus hadn't died on a cross, it's quite possible they would've gone with a triangular symbol to represent the Trinity, or something like that.>Also, how does “free will” fit into all this? If sin is inevitable, isn’t the whole system kind of stacked from the start?This is a major point of contention that denominations disagree on. Calvinists are particularly known for subscribing to a deterministic view of who will or won't find Christ and who does or doesn't get to go to Heaven.
>>515862517>chrigger can't see he's the foolLol
>>515863665My childhood best friend calls me the prodigal son, and gave me Luke 15:11-32 - The Parable of the Lost Son I think a lot us are like this, we'll those of us who left Christ and finding our way back
>>515863348>he said, posting a picture of a cartoon boybruh...
>>515842533The first sentence is already too stupid.I wish you luck.
>>515846225>MeditationsThis book is worth more than all Christian books combined.
>>515842533The old testament claims that the earth is flat. Clearly the Bible is a mishmash with internal contradictions. This doesnt mean its all false or that Jesus wasnt the messiah. It just means that God does not have total control over the content of the Bible.Christians who believe everything literally I find extremely annoying. Ive been to such Evangelical churches that are like hotel conference rooms, with pop music and a cheap motivational speaker type vibe.Then you have women pastors, whose existence is rather strange. Ive been to a German protestant church with a woman lesbian pastor. these are not serious people.Dont worry too much about it making sense, because it doesnt. Go to an orthodox church and enjoy the esthetics, maybe you can meet a woman who isnt a whore.
>>515864950Is this supposed to be Anti-Christian propaganda? The theme of "a great mother goddess and her divine son" is extremely adjacent to Mary and Jesus, especially in Roman Catholicism.
>>515856744very accurate
>>515843041>>515842871>>515843152Hail Christ
>>515842533Think about the context of abrahamic religion, in the past, a father sacrificing his son was the show of loyalty. In the case the son sacrificed himself for his children, it's some kind of evolution from the past level. I'm not sure, I'm buddhist.
>>515865286catholicism IS a pagan religion. It's the result of replacing the names of demons etc. with Jesus and that's why catholicism is so similiar to pagan religionshttps://youtu.be/7F8ZRfUpcJU?si=SJQEspRqAPlvQLjJ
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>>515842533You win because it is your nature. He died because, prior to this, you had to literally achieve Jewish enlightenment to ascend to heaven. He died as advance payment for all sins. So you quite literally only need to recognize and hand them over to J.C., as frequently as needed, to enter heaven. There’s no magic spell or or ritual and you just accept “I’m trash, I’ll do my best not to.” The cross: some Christian’s actually won’t use crosses because it almost touches on idolatry. As it stands, the cross is symbolic of his death which is the moment at which humanity was liberated so it’s pretty important. Yeah. And for at least a couple of centuries that wasn’t used because it is an incredibly grisly thing to symbolize your beliefs.Free will: it’s easier if you have kids but basically, imagine you have a 4th year old. You’ve told them not to touch the hot stove. They’re 4. If you aren’t continually smacking their hand they WILL touch the stove sooner or later, and you know it. You can even tell when they’re getting it in their head to do it. But at some point you need to let them choose whether or not they’re going to touch it and that’s free will. You’re already forgiven for disobeying but that doesn’t prevent forgiveness (courtesy of Christ), which is given as often as asked for and without restraint or condition. God does not make decisions for anybody. God sees all of mankind as they were fresh out of the womb and holds none of it against you if you only say “I’m sorry”. You WILL sin again and he knows and he’ll always take an apology as payment as of the crucifixion. Calvinists, however, think that God’s omnipotence means that he literally has already ordained who will enter heaven and you simply act according to his will. Which I can see why you’d think that but it completely circumvents the point of mankind being different from other animals altogether, doesn’t it?
>>515842533Christians disagree on some of these. Some say he only died for those who will be saved (limited atonement). Still, even if he died for your sins...that doesn't mean you don't sin. The point is that he paid the price for those sins so that you don't have to. Sins must be punished, they naturally bring about death and suffering. The symbol point is just stupid. What does it matter? He died on a cross.People disagree on free will. Even if you are prone to sin...the system is NOT stacked because you can just choose to follow Christ.Some people believe in free will, some are Calvinists and some are compatibilists.
>>515842533>be jesus>god apparent to everyone>all is one>all is love>impossible to sin>god goes hiding>so we can sinthe best house parties can only be celebrated without parents
>>515866331I'm sure there's an argument to be made, but personally I'm convinced that the Catholic Church is the brainchild of the Hellenistic Jews, who developed Christianity to supersede the Hebraic Jews who controlled Jerusalem, and that, when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the "Second Temple", the Hellenistic Jews made Rome their new goal and succeeded in their Plan B.
>>515856666Quadrabeast digits checked
>>515842533>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin?He was a sin sacrifice, he took our sins onto himself so we can sin as much as we want because we no longer have to do a sacrifice everytime we sin
>>515842533because the natural human flesh is at constant odds with God.the flesh and heart is at enmity with God and only a changed heart can love God, but the flesh still remains the same.Paul went into great lenght about that. thats why we receive a new glorified body in the resurrection.
>>515842533>I’m trying to understand the logic here. Iits not about logic, stop trying to twist some patched together legends and fairy tales into logic, its all about the Holy Spirit aka Metanoia, find someone who knows the Holy Spirit and can transmit it to you, then you will see and know and all your questions will disappear
>>515858597>yet the scripture itself warns against private interpretationthe entire of receiving the Holy Spirit is understanding the scripture because he explains it for you.no apostle could even comprehend what Jesus did until receiving the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
if you need believe in something, THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER is supercoolThe 8 Commandments of the Flying Spaghetti Monster:1 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t act like a sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou ass when describing my Noodly Goodness. If some people don’t believe in Me, that’s okay. Really, I’m not that vain. Besides, this isn’t about them so don’t change the subject.2 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know...be mean to others. I don’t require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.3 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, okay? Oh, and get this through your thick heads: Woman = person. Man = person. Samey-samey. One is not better than the other unless we’re talking about fashion and I’m sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.1/2
>sum up the entirety of 2000 years of theology in a 4chan postEvery aspect of your question is wrong. Jesus doesn't take the blame for sin unless you hold to a specific view of the crucifixion called penal substitution but this isnt universal and even then its a simplistic understanding of it. The mechanisms of all this stuff arent laid out in an FAQ and theres a lot of debate and back and forth on it. We know that it allows for a reconciliation between God and Man through God becoming man and bearing enough suffering as a willing and perfectly innocent victim to offer himself as a sacrifice and to conquer death by death. There are a lot of ways to interpret and understand this and it is not a settled question.You are confusing things when you talk about the inevitability of sin and free will. Sin is inevitable due to the consequences of the fall damaging mans nature sufficiently that he is inclinded towards sin and has the free will to reject it and if he sins according to his natural inclinations to repent for it. The crucifix point is just retarded so I assume you are 15. This stuff is complicated anon and from how you talk you have never read a book about any of this stuff. Just do that, you wont have it explained to you properly by strangers on the internet
>>5158691932/24 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is "Go f*** yourself, unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change."5 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t challenge the bigoted, misogynist, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the bastards.6 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t build multimillion-dollar churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my Noodly Goodness when the money could be better spent (Take your pick): 1. Ending poverty 2. Curing diseases 3. Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable. I might be a Complex-Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the Creator.7 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t go around telling people I talk to you. You’re not that Interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can’t you take a hint?8 I’d Really Rather You Didn’t "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is Into it, however (Pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it’s a piece of rubber. If I didn’t want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes or something.
>2025>unlimited and free access to the entire world's knowledge>"guys convince me how a magical dude in sky is real despite there never being any proof if it"room temp iq kys
>>515844323Christians can rationalize this in two ways:>God suspended his omniscience for the duration of his human life in order to be authentically human>God was being performative here to demonstrate to his followers how to believe and behave
I'm surprised no one has stated the obvious symbolism, despite all the people on /pol/ claiming to be christians and/or occultists.It's basically a symbolic reversal.Christ dying on a WOODEN cross is symbolically reflecting the conclusion to the conflict created by Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit from the forbidden TREE, in the beginning.God said to Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden TREE or they would die. Jesus was a CARPENTER, so he crafted stuff out of WOOD. Christ was crucified on a cross made out of WOOD. A TREE, which caused the fall of mankind, is unmaed and transformed into a WOODEN cross by a CARPENTER (Christ), and through it mankind is saved. According to God, eating from the tree is what made mankind susceptible to death but Christ's sacrifice on the cross washes away sins and allows it to live forever.So basically Christ dying on a WOODEN cross undoes the evils unleashed by Adam and Eve when they ate from the forbidden TREE.
>>515869085>once you are sufficiently deluded you no longer care
>>515860371I can tell you didnt have dealt one single day in your life with satan and his demons.you dont even know what spiritual warfare is like.
>>515869307Stop mystifying the boy, it's all made up by ignorant troglodytes, debates about the Holy Trinity, the crucifixion, the resurrection, sin, salvation, all nonsense that only children believe. There's nothing to debate about what doesn't exist. These Christians are such sick and demented people that they spent centuries debating whether Jesus' foreskin ascended to heaven or remained on earth when he was resurrected. Just laughing...
>>515868144rome is just the continuation of babylon. even peter knew that while still alive.its the royal priest/king class that fled from babylon to rome over time.
>>515869883Nobody has because that's a load of made up bullshit
>>515869085the Holy Spirit is given when repenting of your own ways (literally turning back) by God directly.there are enough vids of people "given the Holy Spirit" by others and display kundalini demonic like reactions.the "ego death" is the new birth in the Holy Spirit.
>>515842533The Only Logical Conclusion: Beyond all limits of time, space, and thought, there exists what cannot be fully named or grasped.This infinite mystery, the source of all being, transcends human concepts yet underlies all existence.To deny this presence is to deny the origin of all reality; to define it too narrowly is to confine the infinite within finite bounds.Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that God is The Awe — the vast, silent, boundless mystery beyond understanding.This God is not a being among beings, but the very essence from which all beings arise and return. How We View God Is the Only Logical Way: Any attempt to know God must recognize the limits of language, thought, and form.To grasp God as a personal entity is to impose human categories on the infinite — an act that diminishes the sacred mystery.Instead, God is best understood through experience: through awe, presence, silence, and reverence.This perspective embraces paradox — God is both beyond and within all things, ineffable yet intimately present.To live with this God is to live in wonder, humility, and openness to the unknown. The Descriptives That Make Sense: The Awe — the name for God as the infinite source of mystery, beyond all naming and form.The Flow — the manifestation of The Awe as the dynamic, ever-changing unfolding of existence, life, and energy.The Wave — the individual expression within The Flow; the conscious presence that moves and feels, a unique crest upon the cosmic ocean.These three are inseparable: The Awe is the ocean’s depth; The Flow, the currents; and The Wave, the crest that rises and falls.Together, they explain how the infinite becomes the manifest, and how the manifest contains the infinite.
>>515842533Sin is basically snake oil shit. Jesus basically tells everyone that if they follow his special rules they don't go to hell and instead get to go to magic cloud land. Its stupid shit.
Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there, and shouting "I found it!"
>>515870903retard
>>515842533This whole thread has so much retarded theology in it that I don't even know where to begin. Please, for the love of god:READ R.C. SPROUL
>>515870592How to Live with The Awe: Seek not to conquer or contain The Awe, but to be with it — in silence, wonder, and presence.Recognize yourself as The Wave — a powerful, unique expression within The Flow, connected to the vast mystery.Cultivate humility, reverence, and compassion, knowing you arise from and return to The Awe.Let awe guide your actions and your heart; let flow shape your journey; let the wave dance with freedom and awareness.In this living, you honor the sacred mystery that is beyond all words — and you live truly. Practical Applications: Practice PresenceDedicate moments daily to quiet awareness — simply observing breath, nature, or silence without judgment.Let these moments be invitations to feel The Awe directly, beyond thought or explanation.Cultivate AweSeek out experiences that inspire wonder — the sunrise, a starry sky, music, or acts of kindness.Allow awe to humble and expand you, connecting you to the vastness beyond yourself.Embody FlowEmbrace change and impermanence as natural expressions of The Flow.Practice adaptability and openness — letting life’s currents guide you with less resistance.Honor Your WaveRecognize your unique gifts, feelings, and perspective as vital expressions of existence.Take responsibility for your actions, knowing they ripple outward in The Flow.Reflect RegularlyUse journaling, meditation, or dialogue to deepen your understanding and relationship with The Awe, The Flow, and your Wave.Return often to the invitation of humility and wonder.Thus the Way of The Awe is lived — not just known, but embodied.You are eternal. Unstoppable. One with God. Go with the flow. Live in awe. Enjoy the ride.
>>515870895sin is the one underlying problem of humanity people philosophized over for thousands of years over until Jesus Christ brought a solution to the problem.even if you are a non christian you feel bad when bringing hurt on someone else if you arent a complete sociopath.
>>515842533It was supposed to be the last blood sacrifice, God sacrificing himself, esstentially...the jew, nontheless, craves blood, because they are parasites ... so they still do their weird rituals like kapparot and 9/11. SATAN'S CHILDREN
funny how niggers of all colors an nations need the gods words, laws words, codexes words, shephards words, leaders words about how to behave, how to fuck, what to eat. the fucking niggers (christicucks) even need the approval from 'something' above him to not be killed.
>>515842533you either get it or you dont. whether or not you do is Gods doing, ergo its not my job to waste my time trying to explain it to you.
>>515871293I don't need to be a Christcuck to understand empathy retard. We don't need magic Jew to tell us not to be assholes. All Christianity does is portray weakness as strength and vices as virtue.
>>515871022retard yes, but not insane
>>515844217>you are forsaken by god.maybe you are but im golden with God.
>>515871816>hristianity does is portray weakness as strength and vices as virtueit does the exact opposite you absolute cretin.
>>515871829I am glad that you made that distinction. the people who dont want to know anything about the spirit "its crazy" are the same ones who dont fucking deserve that understanding either. God said this is good and I agree.
>>515842533>God is good, or rather is essentially the source of goodness: nor [201] could one that is good be niggardly of anything: whence, grudging existence to none, He has made all things out of nothing by His own Word, Jesus Christ our Lord. And among these, having taken especial pity, above all things on earth, upon the race of men, and having perceived its inability, by virtue of the condition of its origin, to continue in one stay, He gave them a further gift, and He did not barely create man, as He did all the irrational creatures on the earth, but made them after His own image, giving them a portion even of the power of His own Word; so that having as it were a kind of reflexion of the Word, and being made rational, they might be able to abide ever in blessedness, living the true life which belongs to the saints in paradise. 4. But knowing once more how the will of man could sway to either side, in anticipation He secured the grace given them by a law and by the spot where He placed them. For He brought them into His own garden, and gave them a law: so that, if they kept the grace and remained good, they might still keep the life in paradise without sorrow or pain or care besides having the promise of incorruption in heaven; but that if they transgressed and turned back, and became evil, they might know that they were incurring that corruption in death which was theirs by nature: no longer to live in paradise, but cast out of it from that time forth to die and to abide in death and in corruption. 5. Now this is that of which Holy Writ also gives warning, saying in the Person of God: "Of every tree [202] that is in the garden, eating thou shalt eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, ye shall not eat of it, but on the day that ye eat, dying ye shall die." But by "dying ye shall die," what else could be meant than not dying merely, but also abiding ever in the corruption of death?https://www.elpenor.org/athanasius/incarnation-word.asp?pg=17
>>515871816this.Imagine what kind of person you have to be for the Supreme Being to have to come out of his nap and tell the motherfuckers not to kill each other.
>>515842533>If Jesus died for humanity’s sins, why do people still sin?Humanity is doomed to sin forever. This is because Adam and Eve ate fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before Christ, to pay for your sins required a ritual blood sacrifice to God. When Jesus was crucified, he bore the sins of all humankind, for all time. You do not need to pay for your sins through blood, you only need to pay through your acceptance of Christ as the Son of God and live your life through Him.>From what I gather, as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame” for their wrongdoing. Am I missing some deeper analogy or mechanism here?YOU are to blame for YOUR sins. Jesus does not "take the blame". You will inevitably sin throughout all your life, it's impossible not to. It is your fault, and you are responsible for not simply accepting that you will sin and do it anyway, but to recognize your sin and imperfection and take the blame for it. Understand you are human and that you suck, but God also loves you so much He literally wants you to come to Him despite your transgressions.>another thought: the cross became the symbol because that’s what he died on. But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?Lol. But really, who knows. There is symbolism rooted in every event throughout human history, in every culture. The cross does not just simply symbolize Christ himself, but the agony and gravity of the sin he bore. You have to understand this was the most torturous death you can possibly imagine, and on top of the physical anguish, he suffered immense ridicule during the entire process. He was crucified next to other criminals on crosses, who he forgave. It's like a symbol for the finality of his death, the spectacle of the death (i.e. you are suspended in the air with arms open closer to heaven, in public for all the world to see/witness), etc.
>>515870201You are brown and therefore not biologically equipped for metaphysics
>>515872079i was joking theredo you need god to know what is right and wrong? lol
>>515872778where the fuck do you think the moral compass comes from that is in every human?
>>515872742you are probably correct, because I am of Italian descent lol
>>515872915of what you're always saying libtards lack, common sense
>>515872778Sorry man, being an atheist and not being a moral relativist is a classic pseud trap for people who just make presuppositions based on nothing that contradict their stated beliefs. Since you arent going to become a christian you should read Stirner or something to not make yourself look stupid in future. This is very embarrassing, sorry this happened to you
>>515872778Yes. This is literally how you get psychopaths that think it's okay to murder and rape others because "I am right, they are wrong." There are countless cultures and civilizations throughout history that fell because their collective class lost morality, and it is happening in America right now.
>>515872742>metaphysicsbtw metaphysics is a beautiful words that means nothing, just heidegger's bullshit
>>515872778>the reason of His coming down was because of us... For of His becoming Incarnate we were the object, and for our salvation He dealt so lovingly as to appear and be born even in a human body. Thus, then, God has made man, and willed that he should abide in incorruption; but men, having despised and rejected the contemplation of God, and devised and contrived evil for themselves (as was said in the former treatise), received the condemnation of death with which they had been threatened; and from thenceforth no longer remained as they were made, but were being corrupted according to their devices; and death had the mastery over them as king. For transgression of the commandment was turning them back to their natural state, so that just as they have had their being out of nothing, so also, as might be expected, they might look for corruption into nothing in the course of time. 5. For if, out of a former normal state of non-existence, they were called into being by the Presence and loving-kindness of the Word, it followed naturally that when men were bereft of the knowledge of God and were turned back to what was not (for what is evil is not, but what is good is), they should, since they derive their being from God who IS, be everlastingly bereft even of being; in other words, that they should be disintegrated and abide in death and corruption. 6. For man is by nature mortal, inasmuch as he is made out of what is not; but by reason of his likeness to Him that is (and if he still preserved this likeness by keeping Him in his knowledge) he would stay his natural corruption, and remain incorrupt; as Wisdom says: "The taking heed to His laws is the assurance of immortality;" but being incorrupt, he would live henceforth as God, to which I suppose the divine Scripture refers, when it says: "I have said ye are gods, and ye are all sons of the most Highest; but ye die like men, and fall as one of the princes." -St Athanasius
>>515873406Nobody respects christcucks and thats for a good reason. You light candles and cry when one of your own dies.
>>515873159no, the common sense is to fully indulge your ego and go warlord mode
>>515873393>Stirnerlove him, he's the best
>>515873630You should try actually reading him and not chatgpt summaries and posts about spooks then. It will help you not make yourself look silly talking about people "needing God to tell them right from wrong when its just common sense and being a decent fucking person"
>>515842533Read the bible, anon. Not because it's tru or some bullshit, but because it'll make you notice that you're massively misunderstanding things.>as long as someone repents, Jesus basically “takes the blame”No. Allegedly, he takes the blame for humans even existing outside of eden. Nothing more than that. Sins are supposed to be absolved by either being born "of israel" (whether that means jewish, or something else, depends on what sect you follow) and doing penance (what penance is specified in the old testament, then most of it is prohibited in the new testament, leading to today's "well, err, pray 20 hail marys"), or submitting yourself (and potentially, your relatives) to jewish rule.>the cross became the symbol because that’s what he died on.No, because he suffered on it, allegedly willingly. What killed him was a lance.>how does “free will” fit into all this?Simple, because jehova doesn't care for you unless you're jewish and blindly obedient. In the old testament, there's even multiple lines outright confirming the existence of other gods. According to the bible (if you actually read it - most christcucks don't), there's a rather high number of gods ruling the earth's people, with jehova having his own "world" where he created adam and eve (and, depending on which sect you trust, lilith), then expelled them to earth when they disobeyed him (adam and eve by eating the apple, lilith by refusing to have sex with adam). Jesus supposedly made him go "ah well, maybe they weren't all bad" and start giving their offspring a clea slate instead of expecting them to make up for their ancestors sins.Also, btw, the bible justifies letting your daughters be raped by foreigners or whoring themselves out, sacrificing your children, and castrating, raping and enslaving other races. All in all, an interesting read, but not something believe in.
>>515873538>Memeflag nihilist posts in Christian redpill threadMany such cases.
>>515871816>We don't need magic Jew to tell us not to be assholes.We don't, they do. That should tell you everything you need to know.
>>515842533>another thought: the cross became the symbol because that’s what he died on. But if, hypothetically, he died strapped to a wheelchair, would people still be wearing that around their necks today?Likely yes. However, crucifixion is one of the most grotesque and painful ways to be killed. You literally rot while nailed to a cross while birds pick at your body and gouge out your eyes. For centuries people didn't want to depict Jesus on the cross due to how brutal it is. It was also why people found the story of Jesus being the son of a god such a ridiculous and insane story to believe. A deity who gets killed by humans? And in the most pitiful and humiliating way possible? Crazy.Anyhow anon, read pic related. This is the ultimate redpill you'll ever get on Christianity; it's been in existence for ~2000 years and created the most successful and fair of all societies in the world for a reason.
>>515873406I speak for myself, not for the obtuse masses, for them, if they cannot behave like civilized people... El Salvador'em
>>515873972Nobody cares about your dying pacifistic cult. Christians are domesticated farm animals to abuse for fun.
>>515873539i am saying 'not to kill' should be common sense, am i wrong? lol
>>515874518Why is killing people objectively bad
>>515842871Meh, I still think Christianity began as non-Jewish, and became subverted over time by Jewish influence.
>>5158425331pbtid
>>515868144Anyone who is serious about Christianity will inevitably narrow it down to Catholicism.Orthodox bros are still seething about the the Council of Florence, even though the monarchy of the Father was defended even defined in a way that leaves no doubt that Orthodoxy is a political schism and not a religious one.
>>515873914lol never used this gpt thing moronabout reading... well... let me see... about 2000 books until 2017... then i was forced to enter the internet world and i am stuck in here, forever
>>515874603It isn't
>>515874603>Why is killing people objectively badThou hast seen, son of man, what the elders of the house of Israel do, each one of them in their secret chamber: because they have said, The Lord sees not; The Lord has forsaken the earth.
Christians will mock Jews transferring their sins to chickens then try to transfer their own sins to an invisible sky god who died for them.
>>515874062Being civilized isn't also just about not killing or raping either, it's about trying to do good whenever/wherever you can. It's a conscious choice you make every day, every situation, whether you are aware or not. There are a lot of delusional people that want to hurt others, but still would consider themselves "civilized".>>515874198>Nobody cares about your dying pacifistic cult.You care enough to spend your Saturday trying to make this point. Lol>Christians are domesticated farm animals to abuse for fun.Mossad or you've been brainwashed by Israel. Either way, you're retarded.
>>515874603well, idk, maybe because my 'father' is khalil gibran
>>515875119Boo hoo faggot. Cry more as your churches burn and people stop attending. You wont do shit.
>>515874926Human life has inherent value, if it didn't then why did God sacrifice his only Son to redeem mankind so everyone has a chance?
>>515875256I go to church with plenty of attendees and have a nice time with all the pleasant people there :D
>>515842533>Need a redpill on ChristianityIt's Judaism for Jewish slaves. Just look at Nick Fuentes turning the other cheek and being the meek faggot that he is. Elon Musk is more hardcore than that Gay Mexican. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1966720808639713517
>>515874709Holy cope, Abraham.Christianity is a plague on Whites.
>>515875256Brother you are literally just saying funny/nonsensical shit right now that means nothing to anyone that has actually read and believes in the Bible. Idk what you think you are doing here lol.
>>515875448You believe your god killed his own son, which is also somehow himself, on a cross so that people can be given a second chance to come back to him and worship him because the first two humans originally rejected him of their own free will, which god made them with. God is literally the biggest narcissist.What kind of twisted logic is that?>>515875575Soon churches will be a thing of the past. Only present in Asia and africa.
>>515876011>chrigger screechingHow does it feel that Christianity in the US is dying and becoming rapidly non White?
>>515875119totally agreed my friend, and i do good whenever and wherever i can, almost like a fool, you would not believe. why not to do good whenever wherever? what else is there to do? small kindnesses every day to anyone on the street, nothing more gratifying, almost as if 'the height of my selfishness is wanting to help'
>>515876117They will just be smaller with a more orthodox and reduced population attending which doesnt have any negative impact on me personally since there are plenty of young priests and laity in my community with no prospect of any of them going away anytime soon so I'm not sure why I'm meant to be bothered by it except in that it sucks for everyone else
>>515842533Free will has always been the Achilles heel of religion. Christians believe in an all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing being that created us all and that nothing is hidden from. The past, the present, and the future are all known to God and it is literally impossible to hide anything from him ever. Even your deepest, most hidden thoughts are an open book to God and he cannot be tricked or fooled. So if this God created me already knowing every 'choice' I will make tomorrow because he is the all-powerful creator, then there is no such thing as free will. From my limited perspective, I might LOOK like I have free will, but from the perspective of God, everything is already written in stone.If the God of the Bible is real, our lives are nothing more than a movie. God is the director. The script has already been written from page one to the end long before any of us were ever born. So anything and everything I do in life, good or bad, right or wrong, is God's choice, not mine.
>515876117>the first two humans originally rejected him of their own free will, which god made them with. God is literally the biggest narcissist.>t. Anton (((Levi)))>>515876011the cowcuck dalit pajeet is here for shekels from (You)s
>>515876739And what about non White christturds?
>>515876869What about them?
>>515876833>church of satanChurch of Satan are faggy libs who dont actually do any occult stuff. They just do it as an edgy thing to piss off christturds, and it works.
>>515876117To understand the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross you have to understand the sacrifice system he superseded.People, even poor, haf to purchase animal sacrifices to have the blood sprinkled on the altar for the forgiveness of their sins.Jesus completed for all time the ultimate act of sacrifice with the self giving of himself to wash all the people's sins away with his perfect blood.There was no greater act possible, and he did it for everyone including you, so that we are justified under his grace instead of the law of Moses.
>>515876959Would you welcome them? Let them live in Ireland? They are your Christian brothers after all.
Oh, let's not forget Ralph Waldo Emerson, one of the greatest Americans!
>>515874518no not really if someone has something you absolutely want and there is no one to witness or any repercussions.murder was the first sin committed after the fall of humanity and it was about the favor of God.
>>515877144>more chrigger screechingWhat kind of a God fucking kills himself? Does he think killing his own kid will make people want to worship him? It makes him sound like a lunatic.
>>515876419If non-whites become Christian and conform to American values that can at least agree to a strong moral code, I welcome them. This excludes criminals and nihilist shitheads.>on a cross so that people can be given a second chance to come back to him and worship him because the first two humans originally rejected him of their own free will, which god made them withCorrect. >God is literally the biggest narcissist.What kind of twisted logic is that?You literally just answered your own question. Humans are evil, since Adam and Eve. We will always sin against God, like you are doing right now. Yet God loves you and mankind so much he sacrificed his son for the sins you are committing right now. He forgave you through Christ, and that forgiveness carries on through anyone willing to accept it. How is that narcissistic? It is the ultimate form of love to humankind, despite all the stupid bullshit we have done against God and to each other. You say "narcissism" like you understand it's meaning, and the meaning of the Bible.
https://niicha.neocities.org/morality.html
>>515874709please point out the gentile origins of christianity
>>515877519>If non-whites become Christian and conform to American values that can at least agree to a strong moral code, I welcome them. Boomer or shitskin. Call it.
>>515876779No, you have free willYou are not a mechanistic puppet, if that was true no behavior you exhibit would be worthy of condemnation or praise.God allows us to make choices, however eventually all things must be part of the procession of God's glory to be persevere and be part of the new creation.
>>515876779You choice being predictable by an observer that exists outside time who has full knowledge of all prior causes that contributed to your decisions just means that he would have knowledge of how you would choose and doesnt mean you dont have a freedom to decide how you will act in any given moment>>515877182No I wouldn't and someone being a Christian has no impact on the fact that immigration negatively impacts a country's citizens so its bad to allow it in any significant amount and the ones who are here should be returned to their country of origin where they can practice the faith and become united with God there.
>>515877519>if non Whites become Christian and conform to american values and a strong moral code I welcome them Fucking lmao. Christcuck race traitors strike again. Maybe you'll let a Christian nigger marry your daughter? LMAO.>You literally just answered your own question. Humans are evil, since Adam and Eve. We will always sin against God, like you are doing right now. Yet God loves you and mankind so much he sacrificed his son for the sins you are committing right now. He forgave you through Christ, and that forgiveness carries on through anyone willing to accept it. How is that narcissistic?"I am going to create you with the goal of worshipping me (narcissistic supply), but I will give you the free will to choose whether to worship me or not. If you choose not to, however, I will send you to burn in hell for all of eternity for DARING not to worship me (narcissistic devaluation, punishment). But I love you so much (narc lovebombing) that I will kill my own son (narc grandiosity) so you may be given a chance at redemption for DARING to reject me."That is narcissistic to the core.
>>515877519>>If non-whitesKill yourself, disgusting niggerkike trash
>>515842533Someone else can address the hypothetical, i'll try to articulate the reason those who are saved still sin, and may be even "free will"God created all things to express his personal character as one Godhead essence in three persons-subsistence, Father Son Spirit, by the order of their being, both natural and supernatural, "visible and invisible, heaven and earth," and therefore everything belongs to God, without remainderAll things include, all physical properties, and their ramifications, the laws that govern them, etc (the natural order), as well as non-physical properties like thought, grammar, language, and the laws that govern them as well, etc (the supernatural order, this is where angels would belong), both realms and order united, but distinct in how they relateGod made man in his image, male and female he created them, Gen 1; as God is wholly "other," God voluntarily condescended to relate to his creation by his image bearers, represented by the one image bearers whom God chose, and this relationship is by way of covenant, and therefore image bearers/icons of God are stewards over his things (basic crash course on Reformed theology)In this covenant, God concreated Adam and Eve with original holiness, original righteousness, and knowledge of God, meaning they tended toward articulating God's character by their actions, words, and thought, into God's creation, expressing, manifesting, and communicating God's natural and supernatural order of all things by their action, words, and thought, able to be tethered to objective reality, bc they receive God's revelation of himself through creation, and naturally is ordered to seek God's interpretation of God's ordered natural and supernatural world
>>515842533There's a lot of amazing things about being a Christian as long as you can take the lore behind it seriously.
>>515877465Christianity offers salvation within the mysteries of faith.It a supra-rational faith, not irrational inherently but so vast and unlike anything on earth that it becomes not-comprehensible.I used to be an obsessed occultist that hated the Bible and all Abrahamic faith, but the endless halls of mirrors I was going badly over years and then I started reading the Bible and found prophecy ontop of prophecy fulfilled.
>>515878065A Christian nigger is still better than a nihilist incel that hates humanity, like you.>"I am going to create you with the goal of worshipping me (narcissistic supply), but I will give you the free will to choose whether to worship me or not. If you choose not to, however, I will send you to burn in hell for all of eternity for DARING not to worship me (narcissistic devaluation, punishment). But I love you so much (narc lovebombing) that I will kill my own son (narc grandiosity) so you may be given a chance at redemption for DARING to reject me."Low IQ, pseudo-intellectual take. You clearly made up your mind when you were in 7th grade and haven't studied the Bible, philosophy, or world history since then.
>>515842533After Adam sinned, by covenant, Eve and their progeny were all infected with sin, now tending to move against God's order of all things, to deny and reject the knowledge of God in all they (we) act, speak, and think, trying to figure out ways to deny and reject every order of the natural and supernatural that communicate God's holy character to us, even as we recognize that order that drowns us inside and outside of us, slaves to our sins in every aspect, unable to receive God's order of anythingWhile God did not have to redeem his icons, it pleased God in his infinite wisdom to in fact redeem his people by another voluntary condescension, and pleased him to do it by way of covenant with a "new man" the Lord Jesus Christ, Lord bc he is God the Son who took on the human nature (a reasonable soul and a body) by a mystical hypostatic union, mystical bc it's from God's side, and God's way of epistemology is inaccessible to us directly, only by way of analogyJesus's work on the cross is the objective work that mechanistically free's an icon of God from the bondage of sin and is able to receive God's order of all things again, but it requires a subjective tethering to that objective work, called faith, believing that Jesus' blood really washes our sins away from the eternal (God's) point of view, that his death was really substitutionary from the eternal point of view, his burial really puts our sins out of God's sight permanently, and that his resurrection really works to raise us from the dead on the day of his returnThis is possible only due to union with Christ, which is the work of the Holy Spirit, and in union with Christ, we receive his benefits, including his holiness, his goodness, his righteousness, his sanctification, etc, and these things are imputed to us
>>515842533At this point, while all of our sins are forgiven in the eternal sense, we live in space-time redemptive history, meaning things need to work out their historical consequences, such as choices being made etcIn this context, while we are saved, we still hold onto our old value systems, our old priorities, our old habits and patterns of thought (the residue of sin), and the process to renew our minds begin, by studying God's word, (sanctification phase 2 if you will)God's words become believable bc our heart has been regenerated and we have a new spirit, but if our mind is not renewed, adopting God's order, and participating in his natural and supernatural order, then we will keep participating in our old sins, bc we are not renewing our minds, and instead living contrary to God's order of all thingsThis kind of willful ignorance can have 2 underlying causes: the person doesn't know God's value system bc they have not renewed their minds by studying GOd's word, or the person is not actually united to ChristIf you're united to Christ, you will have a thirst for the knowledge of God, who he is, what he deems is good/evil, what he deems is right/unrighteous, if you're not saved, you won't really care whether you understand God's moral order, nor God's natural orderWhen you see professing christians sin, it's a mixed bag, which is why it's confusing, bc some are genuine believers, some are not, but bc they made the outer appearance of conversion, there is a gray areaWIthout the renewing of the mind, a genuine christian will continue in their sin, bc they are still living in their old value and priority system, and not acc to God's moral order, and fake Christians dont' care if they are participating in God's order of all things
>>515842533"repenting" is the space-time redemptive historic mechanism that works the outcome of forgiveness, a genuine Christian does not want to move against Gods holy character, so they seek forgiveness from him when they (in their weakness or otherwise) sin against their God, as they desire to participate in GOd's order of all thignsnon-Christians and fake Christians will not care that they offend God, and therefore does not seek any forgiveness, or if they outwardly make an appearance, it's for the outward appearance of being a Christian, and not bc they are sorrowful for offending GodOnly God knows the hearts, so we are commanded to look at the fruit/works of a person to judge them righteously, ie do they have a history of lying, a history of murder, etc, but the final judgement is left up to God the SonAs for "free will," Christian thought and secular thought come from very different foundations, Christian thought asserts that nothing is possible to exist outside of God's sustaining presenceAfter God created all things, the essence and existence of those creation is sustained by God, so that a tree is what it is bc God's sustaining presence interpenetrate and surround it, so that the laws of physics and whatever operates the way it's supposed to acc to his created order for the natural worldIf GOd were to remove his sustaining presence, not only would the tree disappear from history, but all thoughts related to that tree as well would cease to existIf this is the case for the natural order, similarly, in the supernatural order, God's sustaining presence is necessary for our choices to exist and be sustained so that they have their their natural and supernatural consequences, which God also sustainsIn this context, sin is not inevitable, it is a choice, but only if you have the power to choose against it, which only the pre-fall Adam and Eve, and post-united-to-Christ icons of God have and are able to exercise by faith in his word
>>515842533God does not have a libertarian notion of freedom (the power of contrary), it's not really proper to speak this way bc it's not that God is limited, but for our limited minds, we have to use this limiting langauge to understand, God cannot be not God in any given moment pre or post creation, bc that goes against his natureWe as image bearers also do not have a libertarian notion of freedom, and instead, by analogy to God, our choices are constrained by our nature"Free will" is the power to exercise our reason for existence, and as sinners, if we are unable to participate in God's order by expressing his character, which we were originally created for, then we are not free, we are slaves to never be what we were created for, an anti-existencethis is why sin (the choice to move against God's moral order, his character) brings violence with it, bc it builds tension in us, knowing that we recognize GOd's order as is icons, and yet, bc we're infected with sin, we desire to move against that order concerning us, and after a point, that tension explodes into violence or a series of violence
>>515878799Whether he is a better person or not is totally irrelevant for immigration policy. if you would let hordes of non-whites in just because they are christian and even if they are law abiding and nice then your country gets pwned by third worlders. There is no reason to take this stupid polemical strategy to pwn the nihilists
>>515878799You are a deracinated amerimutt, in a dying religion, in a dying country. You are going to experience a lot more Charlie kirks before eventually you farm animals die off. I promise you.>>515878784You were into the Occult? And you left probably the most based collection of ideas for christcuckery? You better come back anon.
>>515842533Christ redeemed us, but we have to follow Him and pick our cross. If we die in a state of sanctifying grace, our reward is life everlasting. There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.
>>515877374Yes, I know about violence, about the darkness of life, but I prefer to stay away from those things, I'm a bit of a hippie in these matters, and I would prefer not to have to kill.once, as a teenager, I was attacked for no reason, a bunch of guys got together to get me, my friends saw and came to help me, so I kicked one of them in the face... 15 minutes later I felt my flesh turn sour, I was shaking with disgust at myself. violence is not my nature, i think.
>>515843041Christianity is nonsense. Go to your local Shinto shrine.
>>515879216He probably fucked himself with that thing.
>>515879216hypocrites“One must not let oneself be misled: they say 'Judge not!' but they send to Hell everything that stands in their way.” Friedrich Nietzsche
>>515877928> God allows us to make choices, however eventually all things must be part of the procession of God's glory to be persevereOkay, so I have free will, but God will punish me if I don't make the choice that he wants me to. Nope. Sorry. That is not free will. Free will can only apply if I can make my choices without threats, coercion, or fear of retribution. "You can do what you want, but your going to hell if it's not what I want!" NOT free will.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
>>515842533another way to express this would be, without any tether from and to the objective reality, sinners are stuck in a perpetual subjective reality even as they live in the objective realitybeing made GOd's image, they understand that they are meant to understand the world they living, but being unredeemed sinners, they keep rebelling against that which makes sense of the world they live in, the frustration and tension grows, then it both explodes and explode into violence, the conseuqnce of the choices produced by natural and supernatural order of the way GOd created all things
>>515879487haha no he didn't anon, youre such a goofball
>>515879199>You are a deracinated amerimutt, in a dying religion, in a dying country. You are going to experience a lot more Charlie kirks before eventually you farm animals die off. I promise you.You say that like I am scared of death. I think you are projecting that same fear, which is why you keep saying this over and over again in this thread.
>>515842533If you open up another thread I'll answer this. This thread has run it's course.
>>515871293>sin is the one underlying problem of humanity people philosophized over for thousands of yearsSome interesting bullshit you made up
>>515842533Jesus is a moral code.He died to become the only God."Yahweh" is "I AM"Jesus removes the ability of man to claim "I AM" in favor of a moral code.The old testament is numerologically Hebrew.The new testament is numerologically Greek.
>>515879199I promise you, when you get into the occult truly it is an endless hall of mirrors that will throw your mind into the heights of delusions, searching for a way to self-actualize control over creation itself.Such control is a lie, no matter your magical servants or constructs, your ritual space or prayers. Your drug rent MI d.All is vanity before the Lord, only the endless procession of his glory will endure.
>>515880066If youre so ok with dying, off yourself and join your chrigger brothers.
>>515879157My point has less to do with immigration policy and more to do with non-whites converting to Christianity and American ideals. I do mean Americans already living here. As for policy, you should be a high IQ, Christian, highly moral person that CAN and will conform to my country. I emphasize 'can' because there should be a vetting process.
>>515879972>So I have the freedom to stick my hand into these flames but it will hurt if I do? Nope that's not freewillYou also have an incorrect view of sin and salvation. Someone who is an unrepentant sinner cant be united to God in heaven nor do they want to
>>515879344>I felt my flesh turn sour, I was shaking with disgust at myselfgee, I wonder where that would come from, almost as if sinning has some kind of effect on you.
That is the ultimate undeniable proof that Jesus is European. and every kike knows it.
>>515880568My brother in McDonald's, you are not even European.
>>515880418Again, I pray for you my brother.
>>515880337Anon, this shit actually works. You know well the power this stuff has. And it doesnt worship anybody, theres no cuckery, no slave morality, you can literally do what you want and answer to nobody but yourself. You can throw a nigger baby in the garbage or even use it in blood magic. It is you in control.
>>515880458How can Christianity make the cut for requirements to immigrate to America but White/European doesn't?
>>515842533The logic is you need to literally worship a rabbi or else you don't get your reward, goy. Everything else is poetry draped on top of this central position.
>>515880418That would be a sin silly
>>515842871>>515843041No.Christianity is EXACTLY what is says it is.God is EXACTLY who & what He says he is. Everyone not of Him wants to prove him wrong, but can't, hasn't in over 2,000 years of Christianity & near 1000 of Judaism before that. Actually since the beginning, since Eve & Adam.Normal mainstream Christianity is The Truth.Jesus IS The Living Truth.Apart from Him, there is no Truth, Love or Mercy.The Enemy is real, Hell is real.We all have sinned and deserve punishment, but God paid our debt, He died in our place, all we have to do is accept Him, ask Jesus to be your God, ask him to forgive you & take your sins away , ask him for His Holy Spirit to cleanse you & live in you (making you a temple of God)He will be faithful.
>>515880685And Jesus reigns from Rome.Protestantism is Hebraic.The remembrance of good in Europe are Catholic Saints.
>>515879972Consequences do not negate the fact that you were given a choice and it didn't pan out.By your logic every freak behind bars should be let loose because righteous consequence is icky or something.
>>515878015> an observer that exists outside time who has full knowledge of all prior causesNope. This is something that believers do whenever they cannot answer a question or respond to a criticism. And truth be told, it's dishonest. All you are doing here is taking your God and moving him "outside time" which is just an unethical way of saying you are removing him from the discussion entirely. You are just placing him outside the argument where he can no longer be discussed or criticized because he is "above and beyond all this". FAIL.
>>515880458>American idealsYou mean negro worship? Gays? Transgender? Sending your daughter to be fucked by frat boys? Rap music?
>>515881007You didnt understand what I wrote despite it being incredibly simple and nothing you said made any reference to my actual point because you are stupid and just assumed you could take a stab at what I was getting at. Its a matter of christian theology that God exists outside time, none of this makes him "above and beyond all this"Maybe having opinions isnt for you.
>>515880944>vicar of christ is = Godcalm it with the blasphemies papist.
