Who is right?
Pretty good meme but why are they out of the normal order? It would be much better if they were all in their normal political grid positions.
>>516206609What does the A in a circle mean?
>>516206609The swastika is backwards
>>516206760I imagine anarchistsThey’re less of a political stance and more of a mental illness, it’s crazy people on the left who want to abolish all laws and governements... somehowThey literally don’t think about "what happens next" or understand basic concepts like power vacuums
>>516206946the image is flipped
>>516206609What's the difference between anarchists ans whatever the snake represents? Don't they both hate systems and being stepped on by powerful people?
>>516206609The swastika
>>516207009I can imagine a communist/socialist and a fascist calling an anarchist a Jew/liberal, but why would a libertarian call an anarchist a socialist?
>>516206609Commies think Nazis are liberals?
>>516206609All of them are correct.
>>516206609Ça me rappelle ce sketch des Guignolshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knt2GkRCrRE
>>516206609The swastika is right.
>>516207159Most anarchists believe in some form of commune shit where the group sustains itself by everyone sharing and being nice.
>>516206609The Anarchist and the Libertarian are right that Nazism and Communism are both forms of Corporate Socialism.
>>516206609That doesn't make sense. I am a SOCIAL Libertarian
>>516206609>Absolutely retarded oversimplificationYeah good luck with that you retarded faggot
>>516207214based
>>516207113anarchists generally mean it while lolbertarians just want a specific person to step on them
>>516207385Are such communes a forced way of living or voluntary? That would determine whether or not they conflict with libertarian principles.
>>516207385I only believe in anarchy on a personal level, an anarchist commune is not anarchist.
>>516207113Left-Anarchists believe in a magical fairyland with no private property and no government. Lolberts believe in a magic fairyland where people will respect their private property with no government.
>>516207465Just because calling circumsized Americans jews is an oversimplification it doesn't make it any less true.
>>516207733Shabbos goy are Jews in all the ways that matter.
>>516207618You think government respects private property rights? Who's in the magic fairyland?
>>516207113>>516207500All Anarchists are Libertarians but not all Libertarians are Anarchists, some Libertarians believe in Minarchism. Unless you're a socialist, then you have retarded definitions of everything.
>>516207113Libertarianism is believing that people can live without a state and would act based on their own morality and the free market. They are people who want the smallest state possible and they've thought out their position. Libertarian ideology has clear holes in it than can get patched with some government intervention which leads more well read and experienced libertarians towards a small government position.Anarchists want no laws and they are extremely confused about what they want. They've not thought out their position and how it would work. It's more like they don't care that the state exists, they just don't want any laws to exist, no police. Anarchists often are confused communists who think Marx was an anarchist and they can get a stateless communist society. The logistics of it make no sense. Currently the anarchist ideology seems to have been completely taken over by communists.
>>516207540You can have voluntary socialism under Libertarianism, but most socialists want forced socialism even if they call themselves Libertarian, they are just socialists not Libertarians.
>>516206760Anus.
>>516206609>Who is rightI am.
>>516208164>Libertarianism is believing that people can live without a state and would act based on their own morality and the free market. They are people who want the smallest state possible and they've thought out their position.That's contradictory.Libertarians believe in the principles of natural rights and individual sovereignty (The Non-Aggression Principle). Some Libertarians believe a small, limited state should enforce this (Minarchy), some Libertarians believe that private entities should enforce it (Anarchy).
>>516206609Holy shit 4 liberal fascist socialist Jews
>>516208006 Yes because you have to spend every waking moment with a loaded gun making sure nobody snatches your shit because the government enforces no laws against theft. Honestly if there was no government I'd rob you out of spite.
>>516207853>Shabbos goy are Jews in all the ways that matter.Like when they hire Mexicans to work at a bacon plant. Right?
>>516207618Actually I would better describe it like this.Actual Anarchists (leftist) want small communities of people who help each other out and live in harmony. As if every single city and town became a commune. And that somehow nobody will just become a warlord and kill everyone and that no cities will decide actually lets take over all these independent communes instead of trading steel for wheat and just make them give us the wheat. Libertarians actually do believe in hierarchy and tyranny they just think they’re going to be on top of the pyramid. At no point do they see this as hypocritical but rather they see it as the natural state of humanity: for the stronger and smarter and richer to rule, and they see government as actually a perversion of this that lets the little weak and poor man muscle in on and disrupt the natural order. Whereas a leftist anarchist believes everyone can and should be equal, libertarian believes that some men are better than others and thus deserve to become a god-king.
>>516208569>because the government enforces no laws against theftNext time you get robbed see if they catch the robber, they sure as hell can't help you while you're being robbed.>Honestly if there was no government I'd rob you out of spite.Typical socialist statist, stop pretending you give a shit about private property rights, you will be deported from Ancapistan.
>>516206609they're not all 3 liberals, the snake is and he is a golem of the swastika
>>516208452>The Non-Aggression PrincipleLet’s say there are two companiesOne is more successful than the othersThe richer of the two one day decides to spend its money on hiring guys to break into the other company, enslave them, take everything they have and kill their management and CEO
>>516208754>golemThat’s very antisemitic anon
>>516206609All of them are.
>>516206609>Holy shit, 4 morons
>>516208725An Ancap in the year of our lord 2025. Did a new generation of teens get exposed to that meme ideology or did this guy fail to mature out of it.
>>516208605>Actual Anarchists (leftist) want small communities of people who help each other out and live in harmony.Nonsense, they want to rule by violence because they don't believe in the NAP and are therefore not anarchists, they think authoritarian violence is fine and totally anarchist as long as it's a commie society. They are just commies.>Libertarians actually do believe in hierarchy and tyranny they just think they’re going to be on top of the pyramid.More nonsense, both heirarchies and non-heirarchies are allowed under the NAP, Libertarians have different views on which is better but all agree that they must be voluntary.
>>516208786upside down people didn't invent fantasy creaturesand in respect of this site's political demographic:"the only antisemitism is any and all critiques against the nationstate of israel"
>>516208990So "gas all jews" isn’t antisemitic according to you? Explain how that makes sense
>>516208725>you will be deported from AncapistanAncapistan has no power to enforce anything. I'd piss on you, your customs and your ideology and get away with it scot free. Anyone with half a brain and some social skills can run rings around atomized individualists.>Next time you get robbed see if they catch the robber, they sure as hell can't help you while you're being robbed I don't get robbed because the sheeple around here fear the police. Its called deterrence shithead, as long as you aren't surrounded by brainless niggers people understand consequences.
>>516206609haha
>>516208911>must be voluntary>I say as I hire a Pinkerton to get my rival to voluntarily hand me the deed to his factory in return for keeping his kneecaps oriented correctly I know you’re just memeing but damn son
>>516208911>they think authoritarian violence is fine as long as its commie societyHow do you enforce the NAP, retard.
>>516208757We Libertarians always face these kinds of arguments, what you guys completely forget is that all of the hypotheticals you are giving are applicable, if not 10 times more applicable in a statist society, in fact the state itself is this corporate monopoly you speak about in your hypothetical.What Libertarians should be clear about is that our system requires a competent dedicated group of people which we are building every day, freedom cannot arise in a dumbed down, ignorant, violent, immoral section of society. The American founding fathers knew this and regularly spoke about it.
>>516209042"in respect of this site's political demographic"retard
>>516207009We can have anarchy when Jesus comes back because all the people who cause the worst intentional problems in society will be in Hell.
>>516209138Drop the meme flag, I need to know. Also, how old are you.
>>516207009>They literally don’t think about "what happens next" or understand basic concepts like power vacuumsthe only time they managed to establish an anarchist commune (spanish civil war), they were quickly exterminated by their communist friends
>>516208887I don't think it's almost impossible to create a Libertarian society by voting someone into government, i hope Milei proves me wrong though. I think the trend we are seeing is anti-politics, anti-system, people are simply more and more angry at those who they perceive as running things, it's less about ideology people just see their grocery prices rising and rising.
>>516207500>lolbertarians just want a specific person to step on themkek!
>>516207009Because they think the hippy commune life will just werk. The idea that people will steamroll their commune using fascism never factors into the equation. They think once they force, yes force everyone to become ancom, the rest will just sort itself out and peace will reign forever.
>>516209056>Ancapistan has no power to enforce anything.Show up at my door and see if that's true.>I don't get robbed because the sheeple around here fear the police.Lol, lamo even, speak to someone who's actually been robbed, the police don't show up in time and they do nothing to find the robber because they don't have any incentive to because they receive your tax money wether they do a good job or not, that's how any government entity works.
>>516209294A libertarian society is impossible because its retarded. Post real flag and age
>>516209103Militias, armed citizens and private security companies, how do you limit the government as a statist? You can't, it always gets bigger until it collapses.
>>516209143You might not have been on here long enough. That, or you believe people when they employ "Schrödinger's irony".
>>516209089>I say as I hire a Pinkerton to get my rival to voluntarily hand me the deed to his factory in return for keeping his kneecaps oriented correctlyYou know that's how it works under statism? The corporations simply bribe the government to destroy their competition with force. We are not arguing for an impossible utopia which eliminates every single human evil you point out, simply a better society.
>>516209517>anarchists using violence to enforce anarchism.>"STATIST">libertarians using violence to enforce libertarianism>"Real anarchism "It's retarded, I'm not even an anarchist. This is not a serious dichotomy. Look at the world around you. You'll grow out of it
>>516209480Not an argument. A good statist society is impossible because its retarded.
>>516207188Yeah, they think National Socialism is the most extreme manifestation of Liberalism - what Liberalism becomes necessarily, if class consciousness is not achieved. They view it as bourgeois liberal values made into a formal realism, which doesn't help un-oppress the people from Liberalism. There is a lot that needs to be understood about Liberalism to then make this assessment, but ultimately, they're wrong. National Socialism has more in common with National Syndicalism, if anything and is a people's movement, in my view. Still intresting to know, in any case.
>>516209723No pretty sure my boss has never inverted my kneecaps.
>>516209772Libertarians and Anarchists aren't pacifists, we don't believe force is evil, we believe the initiation of force is evil, that's what the NAP is.You are a retarded statist who can't even grasp basic concepts buddy.
>>516209853Try using your bosses "intellectual property" and not paying the fine and see what they do. Alot worse than kneecaps.
>>516209853But you see, it's the government that will invert your kneecaps for whatever reason and itll be worse. You see, he saw some youtuber do a very interesting hypothetical proving how giving coca cola a military arm is good.
>>516207009There aren't many true anarchists who take it seriously... Pic related is the only anarchist I can actually think of that made it make sense.
>>516209881When did I say shit about pacifism. Sub 70 Iq retard, read my post again. I was pointing out hypocrisy.
>>516209993>But you see, it's the government that will invert your kneecaps for whatever reason and itll be worse.Yes? You like that?
>>516206609Ebin snake: right on three countsNazis and Commies: right on two countsAnarchists: right on one count, the absolute retards.
>>516209450>Show up at my door and see if that's true. If I confront you outright its because I know for damn sure I'm gonna shoot you first before you have a chance to react. But I don't need to confront you outright, you're obviously stupid and can't be in multiple places at once. I can just rob you while you're not at home and burn the place to the ground. And all I have to do to get away with it is outwit you. Cake.>Lol, lamo even, speak to someone who's actually been robbed Outside the ghetto most petty thieves get caught. The few meth-riddled dumbasses here that tried that shit got caught and the rest of the sheeple took notice. But you don't take notice because you live in your head, like every other lolbert midwit.
>>516210043Bruh that's what pacifism is, believing that using force is always wrong, which you accused me of, you don't know shit about shit retard.
>>516207433Okay, Jean-Claude Michéa. Thanks for your niche understanding of things.
>>516206609The libertarian
>>516209138Problem is, in such a perfect imaginary society with competent, dedicated leadership and intelligent, reasonable citizens it really wouldn't matter which of the four ideologies you use. They would ALL work as intended, not as they usually do. Thus the value of your hypothetical is zero, what we need is not a system that will work in perfect condition, but the system that will actually get us there.
>>516209992Pretty sure a prison where I get fed three meals a day and have a personal tablet is better than having my kneecaps inverted and dying of exposure
>>516206609The snake, of course
As a nazi I think libertarians are just misguided, too much naive faith in humanity. Anarchists are people who stopped developing mentally at puberty. Commies are Jewish ruled and it's the system that matches their religious beliefs, a two tier system of Jewish rulers and got cattle.
>>516210113I have to spoon feed it to you fucking retard.>Nonsense, they want to rule by violence because they don't believe in the NAP and are therefore not anarchists, they think authoritarian violence is fine and totally anarchist as long as it's a commie society. They are just commies.Maybe instead I should have done some Minecraft comparison hypothetical since that's the only way you kids can communicate your meme ideology.
>>516210085>If I confront you outright its because I know for damn sure I'm gonna shoot you first before you have a chance to react.You won't do shit pussy, good LARP.>Outside the ghetto most petty thieves get caught.HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA>When it comes to property crime, law enforcement agencies cleared 13.0% of burglaries, 12.4% of larcenies/thefts and 9.3% of motor vehicle thefts in 2022.https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/Get BTFO statist retard.
>>516206609Well given their makeup the communists and the nazis would shoot all others except themselves. The nazis would then shoot the jews and if the communists win they would purge large portions of themselves because they arent any nazis. The antifas wont win because they are parasites and without a host they would die. The lolbergterians would wait for their lord and saviour peter musk and the a baron spawns that promises he could ride on a cannonball to mars or he could also pull himself up by the bootstraps.
>>516210320I should have clarified that by violence i meant the initiation of force, but you'd know that if you knew literally fucking anything about Libertarianism. That's what our whole ideology is based around.
>>516210590But what is reality based around?
>>516206609The reverse swastika guy is correct.Anarchist: Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, et al.Communist: Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, et al.Libertarian: Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard, et al.
>>516210442>You won't do shit pussy, good LARP.Says the lolbert. Why wouldn't I? I only have to beat you, not the the system, to win. You're much much much weaker than the system. And once I win, thats it. No chase, no investigation, just me and my gains.>https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/The vast majority of crimes occur in nigger-ridden shitholes, thus your statistics. Funny how you lolberts forget about race every time, its like you get your idealogy from a (((certain))) source. People in my locale aren't stealing cars left and right and getting away with it.
>>516206760"Aw Hell Naw", it's a Black Power group
>>516210645Reality is reality, concepts are concepts, good concepts should match as closely with reality as possible, but if you're talking about morals then you need an ideal, so far no one has managed to transcend the prescriptive/descriptive dichotomy which Hume talked about.
>>516206760anus
>>516206609Holy shit, five faggots!
>>516210720>The vast majority of crimes occur in nigger-ridden shitholes, thus your statistics.Even in the "based white areas" the majority of burglaries go unsolved, you're a complete moron.
>>516206609The liberal. Catagorically
>>516210590You don't get it do you?
>>516209348Anarchists are not Hippies, Anarchists are more like punks. more 'fuck you dad, I will be a faggot' instead of 'fuck you dad, I will smoke weed'
>>516210202>Pretty sure a prison where I get fed three meals a day and have a personal tablet is better than having my kneecaps inverted and dying of exposureGood for you slave, the reality is if you resist corporate tyranny in a statist society you will be incapacitated or murdered if you resist all the way.
>>516206609Everyone except the swastika desuThe snake would probably say commies and not socialists.
>>516206609The snek.
>>516206609They're all right
>>516210789Well here’s a reality you don’t understand. The government is a corporation, one I have a stake in. One I can influence even in a small way. I can’t stop McDonald’s on my own, or Microsoft, or really any entity larger than myself. They all want to make a lot of money and have more of it than I do. The government? It doesn’t sell anything, the only service it provides is security. It must ensure a minimum level of quality of life for me in its own interest to remain solvent. I don’t want to leave food safety up to food companies. Every time the government has let food companies self regulate they sell poison and kill people. This is a calculated cost benefit analysis because I know basic history. I would rather have one country one government and a thousand evil corporations than one thousand evil corporations that are their own government. It’s just math.
>>516210933Not an argument + you don't get anything.>>516210173>They would ALL work as intended, not as they usually do.They wouldn't if their ideas and goals are retarded, they would result in hell such as with communist socialist ideas.What we advocate is not a perfect imaginary society, we advocate changing a portion of peoples minds with good and realistic ideas and like minded individuals creating a society together.
>>516206609
>>516207188Everyone is a fascist who is just marginally a little to the right to them.
>>516210835
>>516206609The A makes no sense nazism also sits on the mountain between liberalism and socialism. t. Mussolini.
>>516211226I think voting with your dollars is far more powerful than government voting, reality is that the permanent state gives almost no fucks who you vote for because they can't be voted out and they dictate policy, however people care a lot about where you spend your money, people will create entire businesses and slave away to get your money, they will espouse certain views to get your money, they will take certain actions to get your money, put your paper in the ballot box? government simply does what it was already doing.>I would rather have one country one government and a thousand evil corporations than one thousand evil corporations that are their own government. It’s just math.You yourself admit that the state is simply the biggest evil corporation that makes its money with violence.
>>516211735Didn't Mussolini hate liberalism?
>>516206609Anarchists are always right and based as fuck
>>516211780Based.
>>516206760AnarchyIt is an ideology that says that forcing anyone to do anything is illegitimate. Anarchists believe all human endeavors should be totally voluntary on behalf of everyone participating in them or being effected by them. Anarchists are effectively the only ideology that believes in freedom. Anarchy however would require humans to not be a bunch of barbaric monkeys. But since anarchism comes out of Lefty schools which pretend that human nature doesn’t exist and that people are blank slates, the ideology makes sense from that point of view.Anarchy is the natural political system everyone who isn’t subhuman uses if they only life around other ubermensch. Imagine you’re the best room mate ever, and you share a house with the best room mates ever. No locked doors, no arguments, a whole lot of cooperation and prosperity. If humans weren’t garbage it would be what we would all do.
>>516208588Exactly. Now you get it! Slave labor with the added benefit of making money where your handlers can't, due to religious reasons.
>>516206609>how anarcho-capitalist can be fascistic when doesn't believes in goverment>how nazis can be liberal when put their people first>how anarchist can be socialist when they don't believe in a goverment>why the fuck not ideologies hiked up by jews not be jewishI'll go with the funny windmill symbol
>>516206760You're too young to browse this board
>>516211746Voting with your dollars has historically never had an effect. You deny reality. Or you’d be the Victorian baker putting arsenic in his bread to save a buck. Either way you’re wrong.
>>516211905>why would a libertarian call an anarchist a socialist?
>>516206609none
>>516206609the only one that is always wrong is anarchist though because you can never have a fascist libertarian.
>>516206609I see four jews
>>516208164>Libertarianism is believing that people can live without a state and would act based on their own moralityMaybe if you're Amish lmao
>>516212285Most Anarchist thought is based on the left-wing premise that people are blank slates, and can be wholly re-wired by an ideology. So they are already commie-adjacent in that regard.The thing that makes Anarchism “socialist-esque” is that it requires people to not own property without everyone’s consent. Therefor in an Anarchist world, you couldn’t put a fence around certain goods, even goods you yourself produced, unless everyone agreed to you fencing them off. Libertarians want total control of their property, with a central government that legitimizes those property rights without taxing them.So from the perspective of people who want total ownership of property, having to ask other people how said property is used seems, and arguably is, socialistic.
>>516212266Every single advancement in industry and quality of life exists as a result of dollar voting.>Victorian baker putting arsenic in his bread to save a buck.How does putting arsenic in your bread save money? That costs money retard.
>>516208605>Actual Anarchists (leftist) want small communities of people who help each other out and live in harmonyThat's called government, and it's why I hate anarchists and their cringe rhetoric. So many "anarchists" just want a good government, it's ridiculous that they adopt this retarded term when their only real wish is "government not act bad".
>>516209817No serious Marxist thinks Fascism is a form of liberalism. They do think it's capitalism in decay and ultimately sustains capitalism as a mode of production-but philosophically, fascism is a rejection of enlightenment values and thus cannot be called liberal. Most people are not nearly educated enough to know this, but fascism was influenced by socialism, it simply rejected class conflict and historical materialism instead offering alternatives like corporatism, syndicalism, and such.
>>516214007>Most Anarchist thought is based on the left-wing premise that people are blank slates, and can be wholly re-wired by an ideology.People can have better behaviours individually and socially based on better ideas. The idea that people are completely moldable into an entirely different being is a socialist idea as you say.>>516213441What's wrong with the Amish?
>>516214007there are so many fallacies in this post holy shit. you are like level -100 in discourse analysis. please go back to cleaning floors.
>>516210697>Anarchist: Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, et al.LOL these people did not invent anarchism. Bakunin and Proudhon did and both of them were outspokenly against the Jews
>>516206757because they represent 4 anons bumping into each other in a room. it would make less sense if they were on a line.
>>516214060>>Actual Anarchists (leftist) want small communities of people who help each other out and live in harmony>That's called governmentNot if it involves the initiation of force.Anarchists (who aren't stupid) define government as the entity in a given region that has the monopoly on the organized initation of force.
>>516206760AnonymousWe are legion
>>516206609All of them. They are all post enlightenment garbage systems
>>516211905>It is an ideology that says that forcing anyone to do anything is illegitimate. Anarchists believe all human endeavors should be totally voluntary on behalf of everyone participating in them or being effected by them.False, this type of thinking limits the individuals will to power and suppresses his individuality, the same as the Marxist shitheads idea of a classless society, which if such a nightmare were to ever truly occur, would be a meaningless existence lacking of any beauty whatsoever. The only true type of anarchism is anarchism without adjectives. Anarchism is defined as the abolition of the state, and anything that comes after the - in anarcho- (ancom, ancap, ansyn) is only a theory for what will happen in the vacuum of power. >Anarchists are effectively the only ideology that believes in freedom. Correct, and freedom is defined not by a koombayah utopia but by a man's ability to be the person he wants to be, free from any societal constraint, and anarchism is the only system that gives him that ability. The truth is, the world is already anarchist, and anarchy is found within a man's heart. Be the person you want to be, that's where anarchism is found
>>516215071>The truth is, the world is already anarchist, and anarchy is found within a man's heart. Be the person you want to be, that's where anarchism is foundBased.
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>>516211012True punks from the UK in the 70s mocked faggotry, they didn't support it. One of the main points was to be cool, but being a faggot kind of goes against that.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
>>516206609Holy shit 4 goys!
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.“Because I was afraid.”“Afraid?”“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.
>>516215237>A member of the human race who is completely incapable of under- standing the higher productivity of labor performed under a division of labor based on private property is not properly speaking a person (a persona), but falls instead in the same moral category as an animal-of either the harmless sort (to be domesticated and employed as a producer or consumer good, or to be enjoyed as a "free good") or the wild and dangerous one (to be fought as a pest).
>>516215155Anarchism is *being*, it is not *becoming*. I do not desire for utopia, or for any system to last indefinitely. It is simply a desire to be truly free, even if only for a short while. And the meaning of being free is achieving the realization of myself, the realization of what I find to be beautiful. Beauty is the only argument needed. Whether beauty is living on a commune with a bunch of hippies, or being a billionaire who lords over the serfs.The common trait of both is a deep, deep desire to escape the system.
>>516206609Wrongest: the nazi. Blaming everything on ethnicity or culture is brainlet, which is why it has such mass appeal. Also by recognizing problems with capitalism and nepotistic systems and then avoiding policy solutions that addresses them without targeting ethnicity, you protect your support of the rich as well as priotize policy that you feel gives you an advantage.Most right: Anarchist. Libertarians are often opposed of the liberalism that won't give them everything they want as business owners and property owners, so they oppose it. When fascism insulates and protects them, they support it.
Holy shit, 4 people and not a single soul
>>516214234This is true, but culture is downstream from genetics, and humans are a barbaric, territorial, predatory species. That needs to change on a biological level. Culture will never be enough on its own.>>516214287> there are so many fallacies in this postAnd yet you list none of them. I therefor conclude that you are retarded and have no valid critique, or are retarded and think that saying someone is incorrect and providing zero evidence as to why is valid.Maybe you’re trolling. But that would still make you retarded.What’s wrong with cleaning floors? Do you live like a pig in a pigsty? Or do you wish to enslave others and make them clean up after you? Looks like either way, you’re a piece of garbage. Untermensch.
>>516206609>Missing the Star of DavidLol none of them, stupid fucking goyim
>>516206609>>516215982The nazi should be the one calling out liberals because even if communism is a system where government comes in and controls the means of production and challenges private ownership, nazis oppose liberals more than commies. It's why commies are depicted as fags by nazis. Shouldn't they say "thee capitalists"?
>>516208757Then the shareholders of that company go to their rights enforcement agency and sue the aggressing company.
>>516207113One of them is left-leaning while the other is right-leaning. Both are tools for corporate feudalism.
>>516215071Real Anarchism actively rejects any oppressive power mechanisms and ambitions, your personal “will to power” or not.If you are going to do something at everyone’s expense, against everyone’s will, you are an autarch, a tyrant, and an oppressor. You do not believe in freedom, you only believe in yourself. And I can already tell that yourself is garbage. You are an Autarchist. Pic related is you if you ever got hungry and someone else looked edible.
>>516211905Anarhism is constant shifting of authority and constant poeples involment in it .Its oposite to rigid hierarchyIt is defacto the most natural system. It is the system most poeple lived in prior to 1800ds.The most common way to implement it would be direct democracy. Bit there are bunch of other systems. There are also native american versions where each hunting season another person is defacto dictator.
>>516218098I don’t believe in ‘freedom’ as a cage built by social consensus or herd approval—I believe in the liberation of the self. Real tyranny is the forced submission to collective delusions and the policing of individual greatness in the name of some abstract ‘everyone’s will.’ I reject the tyranny of enforced equality which suppresses the will to power of great men. Freedom is not a zero-sum game imposed by fear; it’s the chaotic dance of beings asserting their existence in full, and this dance has losers and winnersCommunist anarchism claims to fight oppression, but in reality, it demands the sacrifice of the individual on the altar of the collective. It shackles the exceptional, the strong, and the creative to the mediocre majority, insisting on leveling everyone to a lowest common denominator. This common denominator, "the worker". Imagine believing in a system that forces you to be working class! What a nightmare!
>>516206609Technically everyone is correct except the anti-fascist.As per usual.
>>516218098True he is full of shit. That kind of person would end up dead in anarhism. Since there is no goverment bureaucrats to protect him or the kings soldiers etc.In soth asia one state evading poeple have no history writing or anything. All they have are stories of killing overly ambitios chiefs (that tied to raise their power level by becoming thai or chinese lord).Problem with poeple like that dude isnt the will to power of themselfs. Its the entitlment to other poeples lifes and labor.
>>516214230Yeah, I think your analysis is better than mine. I've heard Communists give both explanations, desu. But yes, Fascism was influenced by socialism. A character like Georges Sorel is a perfect example of this. It's a little harder to track, in the National Socialists' case, but we've got Strasser and Goebels (who I think was SDP for a while there maybe? Something like that.) Probably others, IDK. Marxist Communists stretch hard to make National Socialism Liberal. They kind of need to for things to follow for them.
>>516206609I am.
>>516209289There is also rojava. But they are still attacked by US. Your argument is also dumb on miltiple levels.A superpower can attack subvert or use some other way to destroy an emerging state. There is no superior ideology thats gonna handle an all out attack .Biafra was way better for its poeple than modern Nigeria is. Still they got destroyed.
>>516220390Yes, Georges Sorel is a great example. However, it was more like his ideas "influenced fascism", rather than him being a fascist himself. He was indeed a full fledged socialist. However , he expressed sympathy for nationalism and skepticism towards rationalism and enlightenment ideals. He rejected democracy and propagated the idea of MYTH to unify and mobilize the masseswhen I say the fascists are influenced by Marxism and Socialism, I do not mean they are a strain of it. I mean that fascist philosophy was first written with Marxism in mind, and as a direct refutation of marxism, while also rejecting capitalism. Mussolini in particular was a former socialist (actually he was a syndicalist just like Sorel and was directly influenced by him) who grew disillusioned with socialism and decided to create a third path. He agreed with Marx's class analysis, but rejected his solution. Rejected the idea that class conflict will eventually lead to the workers owning the means of production. Instead he advocated for class collaborationism, that the different social classes should cooperate harmoniously for the good of the nation.>BUT ANON! HOW does he refute Marx's claim that class conflict is inevitable as a result of material conditions?Mussolini simply rejected Marx’s idea that economic determinism alone drives history. He elevates the state and collective will as autonomous forces capable of creating a unifying culture that transcends class conflict.In essence, Mussolini rejects materialism and instead advocates for idealism. (The belief that ideas shape the material, rather than the material shaping our ideas). The state thus acts as a mediator between the bourgeois and the proletarians, intervening when necessary, rather than believing the workers will seize the means of production and everything will be fine
>>516220390>>516222867This marks a clear turning point toward Caesarism—a strong centralized authority balancing social forces to maintain national unity and order. With a founding myth, a rejection of modernity, a rejection of enlightenment values. The truth here is that fascism, like monarchism, is characterized by a belief in a higher spiritual reality. Communism and liberalism are materialist ideologies.
Pic unrelated>>516219888>Anarhism is constant shifting of authority and constant poeples involment in it.I said that>Its oposite to rigid hierarchyOnly if at least one person does not agree with that rigid hierarchy>It is defacto the most natural system. Yes>It is the system most poeple lived in prior to 1800ds.Most of the world existed under feudalism prior to the 1800’s. Before feudalism there was sparse republicanism, clan-type governments, city-states, oligarchies, and warlord states. Genuine freedom is not natural to humans.>The most common way to implement it would be direct democracy. Bit there are bunch of other systems.The easiest way to implement it is to re-engineer humans on a genetic level to not be a bunch of retarded barbarians obsessed with enslaving one another.>>516219974All people must freely choose to find harmony between each other.You won’t find greatness without other people. You’ll just be starving alone out in the woods, naked, and waiting to die. You would need slaves, and then you would just pretend that their products are yours because you imagined them. Without an ecosystem, without a community, you are nothing. And so if you do not love your community, and/or if they do not love you, then your world and their world will be hell. You will find that in a world where everyone is kind and loving, and respects one another, that greatness will become the very fabric of experience, and that all people will be facilitated to reach their highest potential.The Soviet communism you refer to was nothing other than a monarchy run by Stalin. It was about as communist as the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea is democratic. Stalinism is closer to your ideology than Anarchism. Anarchy for Stalin, Anarchy for no one else.>>516220362Yeah he is not an Anarchist. Certainly comes off more as a tyrant.
>>516207214Unironically this.
>>516222922You say it a lot better than I can. I wish that more people knew about the actual fascist position. It would really help clear up a world of misunderstandings. On a personal level I really love the era... I am a fan of Othmar Spann in particular. The refutation of Marxism and Liberalism in his work is beautifully indicative of the kind of intellectual activity of his time. What have you read to be so well-informed? Most of what I know is via osmosis, having been around academic communists who talk to me about this stuff.
>>516211905I wish we could bulldoze all the subhumans into the Grand Canyon as a warning to future generations and just get on with it.
>>516224667That’s a temporary solution. It’s also unnecessarily brutal and cruel.Eliminating psychopathic traits from human dna is what will yield long-term results.
>>516226497Gotta break a few eggs to get the baking started. I just eliminated 95% of the problem basically overnight. What you call needlessly cruel I call expedient and judicious. Now we start the selective breeding process, prepare your bussy (if you consent).
>>516206609All of them. I just see four faggots
That one symbol that isn't directly derived from Satanism.
>>516206609>go to anarchist circle>"hey read (((Chomsky)))">go to libertarian circle>"hey read these (((Rothbard, Mises and Friedman)))>go to liberal circle>"hey read these (((Arendt and Popper)))>go to Nazi circle>"read my schizoid ramblings"
>>516206760Anarchy Hi!Rotten BoysOne day you'll discoverthat everyone hates youand wants you dead,because youpose a dangerto power!!!Anarchy hi, hi! They don't wantyou to liveDestroy the systembefore it destroys youDon't believein false leadersbecause they'll allbetray youAnarchy hi, hi!A-nar-qui-aA-nar-qui-aAnarchy hi, hi! >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46YrlBMI0BU
>>516226978I doubt you would be able to get them all, and the fact that you choose a cruel method of dealing with it pretty much disqualifies you. Not to mention the fact that they would all rebel against you and trash the whole project because you literally tried to mass-murder people.To be fair a few years ago I would have agreed. But nah. It’s not just about the ends, it’s also about the means. Both feed into one another.
>>516206609>Holy shit, a bunch of commies
>>516206757It's actually retarded because libertarians and anarchists agree on abolishing the State and national socialists believe in socialism, but only for their people.
>>516206609I just see 5 homosexuals.
>>516224056>What have you read to be so well-informed?I've read Marx, Lenin, and the anarchists of course. Also Nietzsche. But when it comes to right wing authoritarianism, everything is derivative of Plato so that's the place to start
>>516224056>>516235086Ethics comes before politics, that's the secret that everybody forgets. You need a moral framework to base your beliefs on, even if that framework is no morals. Historical fascists have either been influenced by Nietzsche or Plato, for very different reasons they end up at the same conclusion
>>516232136This.
>>516206609You can look for the jewish influence yourself. That's why I take the position I do. I go with what is observable.
>>516206609The communist is wrong. How are nazis liberals?
>>516235378That's a good point, it's why Plato's noble lie is consistent with the rightwing ideology and historically has been used. The idea of monarchy and aristocracy being special due to being fundamentally special people, divinely so, is integral to that system. If you don't have it, you have nepotistic horders using violence against their servants in order to capture and exploit them through the generations. The serf is less a ward of the kingdom working together with the system to provide for it so it protects them and more coerced into labor through threats of violence. Sell everyone on the idea that this is an issue of divinity and you don't really make the rules and you create a social order that can be maintained to benefit you.
>>516206609the communist does not see three liberalsbut the others are right
>>516206609None of them.
>>516206609>the hammer & sickleNazis aren't liberal, and the hammer & sickle is more inclined to say "Holy shit, three capitalists">the circled ALolberts aren't fascists at all, in fact lolberts are easily the least fascistic of the four if the (A) represents Anzis (Antifa)>the hookcrossNot enough information to tell, and the hookcross himself could be a jew, like Adolf Eichmann who culled trash jews to benefit Zion>the snakeMaybe, but anarcho-anything is intrinsically unenforceable, which makes "AnSoc" systematically indistinguishable from AnCap and vice versa
>>516215639Slavery is against the NAP
>>516210173But that just defaults you to National Socialism anyway, as the only option that lets you start with a smart, industrious, and conscientious population and preserve it as both the subject of the State and the exclusive talent pool from which its present and future leadership is drawn.
>>516236785That, and slavery creates a hierarchy between the slave and his owner (the owner is necessarily ranked above), which makes it monarcho-capitalism or oligarcho-capitalism, but not anarcho-capitalism which would simply consist of people owning and trading their possessions as private individuals.
>>516206757>normal political grid positions.National Socialism is a third position. It is both "far-left" and "far-right." The political spectrum is not two-dimensional. This is why this meme exists.
>>516206609The commie, nazi and libertarian are all correct, the "anarchist" is a fucking retard.
>>516206946It is, it looks like it has its back turned to the anarchofag, bolshevik, and lolbert, and is talking about three off-camera figures.>>516207040Is that why the text is backwards? Oh wait, it isn't.
>>516206760Albion
>>516207159>I can imagine a communist/socialist and a fascistCorrection:>I can imagine a communist and a fascist/socialistCommunism doesn't work unless most people are social, but it's Fascism that compels people to be social.
>>516219888>opposed to hierarchy>most natural systemnatural to women maybe. testosterone urges order, and men naturally create hierarchy among themselves as the basis for every civilization that has ever existed. there has never once been an anarchic civilization, the idea of it is an oxymoron. anarchy is one of those ideologies favored by edgy teenagers who think they'd be some kind of Mad Max figure, where in reality if its followers actually got their way they'd be the first ones killed under it by actual men who banded together with organized hierarchy.
>>516206609Communism, capitalism, capitalism ,libertarianism are all jewish,
>>516236186Yes but that's more Evola if you want to explore the concept of divine right. Plato did dip into the concept of philosopher kings, because in order to be just you must have knowledge of the good
>>516207401Fascism = Socialism on steroidsNazis: Nativist fascists - promote socialism to harness and provide for their ethnic group - that is permitted to own and use private property so long as it's in agreement with the interests of the folkBolsheviks: Communist fascists - promote socialism to perpetuate a communist system - that categorically prohibits private ownership
>>516207603>an anarchist commune is not anarchistCorrect, it is truthfully polyarchist.
>>516208006In regards to private property, the government is a double-edged sword. It has the ability to violate your ownership, but it's also the entity that codifies and enforces your ownership as something that the whole of society has to respect.
>>516236186>>516238643Yes, but divine right isn't exactly Platonic, it comes from earlier and later thinkers, however in my opinion it is best explained by Julius Evola whose biggest influence was Plato. he believed a divine ruler could represent the world of being, and this is expressed through tradition of various cultures Plato did not exactly advocate for divine right, but he did briefly talk about the concept of a philosopher king. Someone who understands the eternal and unchanging form of the good, and therefore understands the perfect form of justice. Plato also believed in an objective morality, and only knowledge of the good can allow you to be good, and therefore be just. He did not believe in democracy.
>>516208164The single biggest problem with contemporary anarchist thought is that it insists on defining all anarchy as Absolute Anarchy, equivalent to if we only recognized Absolute Monarchy as being monarchy. In real life, there can be a monarchical state with an oligarchical government, a polyarchical society, and an anarchical market.
>>516206760>A + O = A-hole = anus
>>516206609You all live under liberal democracies. Tankies are literally correct
>>516206609The Nazis are the closest, but the coomies have a point. The other two are retarded children.
>>516239545>an anarchical market There is either anarchism or there isn't. And anarchism is clearly defined as abolishing the monopoly on violence (the state).>>516208164>Anarchists often are confused communists who think Marx was an anarchist and they can get a stateless communist societyAnarchist philosophers have opposed Marxism from day 1. Bakunin was kicked out of the international for calling out Marx's authoritarianism. Uneducated lefties today like to pretend that there is some kind of unity between leftists, it has in fact never existed at all. And yes, they believe in a propertyless society the same as Marx, but what they reject is the transition state that Marx advocated for. This is because anarchism is actually older than Marxism, Proudhon was arguing for a stateless propertyless society decades before Marx. He called it anarchism.Marxism is a subversion of anarchism, not the other way around
>>516208164>>516240098So basically-marxists are confused anarchists who have tricked themselves through Jewish mental gymnastics into believe the way to a stateless, propertyless society is somehow by creating a totalitarian state
>>516208605>small communities of people who help each other out and live in harmonyThis is voluntary socialism, not anarchism. Whether or not it's done anarchically, that's not what anarchy constitutes.>As if every single city and town became a commune.Communes are typically polyarchical (mob rule), and anarchy can only last when people are spaced out. Whenever many people live in the same place and invariably step on each other's toes, the question arises whether we let the mob sort it out (polyarchy) or elect one person (monarchy) or a few people (oligarchy) to stand above the rest and untangle the mess.>Libertarians actually do believe in hierarchy and tyrannyLibertarian and liberalism exist to minimize Tyranny, with or without respect to the "opposite" problem that is Entropy. Absolute anarchy abolishes tyranny, but enables entropy to prevail completely.>At no point do they see this as hypocritical but rather they see it as the natural state of humanity: for the stronger and smarter and richer to rule, and they see government as actually a perversion of this that lets the little weak and poor man muscle in on and disrupt the natural order. Whereas a leftist anarchist believes everyone can and should be equal, libertarian believes that some men are better than others and thus deserve to become a god-king.This stance constitutes Nobilitarianism, not Libertarianism.
>>516240591>Libertarian and liberalism exist to minimize Tyranny,It's really not possible for both the state and capitalism to exist without them becoming one, as it is beneficial for both of them Libertarianism is a belief based on the misunderstanding that the government and the capitalist class are monolothically opposed to one another.
>>516240098>There is either anarchism or there isn't. And anarchism is clearly defined as abolishing the monopoly on violence (the state).Monopolies on violence are meaningless if they're never exercised, and amount to nothing but a useful spook. If I buy weed from somebody and we sort everything out consensually and nobody interferes, the transaction is anarchical. If the entire weed market works like that, then the weed market is anarchical.
Snek is most right, then the nazi then the anarchist then the communist
>>516207159Anarchists are almost universally fans of things that require socialists policies while failing to realize those policies need a government
>>516209348It's hilarious reading how they think their society will work.I've seen some claim they'll have a committee, not a government, decide the fate of any criminals. It was basically exiling rapists and others from their communities.
>>516206609they are all spooksso me, I'm right
>>516240591Typo:>Libertarian(ism) and liberalism exist to minimize Tyranny>>516240859I'm being perfectly literal with my use of "libertarianism" and "liberalism", both of which are words for being strongly pro-freedom. I'm not talking about extreme yellow politics per se.
>>516240952and why, in a society in which I'm allowed to kill you and take your things rather than pay you for them, would I engage in any kind of transaction with you that costs me something?
>>516206609The nazi is correct, antifa was founded by jews in Weimar Germany, obviously Marxism is jewish and libertarianism is also a largely a jewish founded movement
>>516240098I think the mistake the early Anarchists made was not understanding that the attempt to get rid of private property would itself inevitably lead to a totalitarian state, this was clear after the collapse of communism and that's why a lot of Anarchists today are Anarcho-Capitalists who want to get rid of all public property, would this lead to dictatorship? I don't think so, history has shown that the more private property rights are respected the better the society is. But i'm willing to have my mind changed.
>>516206609The snake is right, three socialists (including itself) and a Swastika.
>>516212285Because they don't believe in having a state. No state = no enforcement of private property = no capitalism = no libertarianism
>>516207188Yes, most people, especially on the right, don't understand that Communists hate liberals more than they hate conservatives and see conservatism, fascism, libertarianism as different brands of liberalism.That's why, whenever I hear someone call leftists "liberals", I know that whatever is about to follow is only semi-informed.
>>516241405Because the door swings both ways and I can kill you just the same, and both of us should be able to see that it's in our mutual interest not to go there.
>>516208887>>516209294To be a libertarian doesn't mean you attach a label to yourself. To be a libertarian means to have deep seeded cultural principles that revolve around trust, honesty, respect, accountability, and foresight. Without any of that, you just become a retard dependent on vague theories or ideals like anyone else. You have to learn skills and create workable solutions to live in a libertarian world. Memeflag and milei are charlatans.
>>516241643>national socialists aren't socialists>capitalists are socialistsJesse, what the fuck are you talking about
>>516242089True, but words have meanings and i see no reason why somneone shouldn't call themselves a Libertarian, that sounds stupid.
>>516241680But it is in fact in the interests of everyone with less than you have, and nothing to lose, to kill you and take your things. And people learn very quickly that when they band together in an organized hierarchy it becomes very easy to kill you and take your things with very little risk. How do you as an anarchist protect yourself against groups of people who have outgrown your childish ideology and banded together to create superior hierarchical tribes and communities?
>>516240859>>516240591You see, the United States started out with small government and a free market. Over time it evolved into what we have now. That's because what we have now is a natural result of the material conditions of capitalism and the state coexisting. They will always join forces given enough time, because it is within the self interest of both to do so.>>516240952See above. You will have gigantic weed corporations having their monopolies solidified by the state. Or maybe not. Who knows. It happens in other industries tho>>516241285I understand>>516241555>not understanding that the attempt to get rid of private property would itself inevitably lead to a totalitarian stateWell anarchist theory says to build an anarchist society which exists alongside the current government before anarchism even happens. So labor unions, mutual aid groups, communes, co-operatively owned businesses, anarchists focus on building these things using grassroots organization and direct action, not by participating in politick. Then these things naturally take over in the event of a vacuum of power. You saw this happen in Catalonia during the Spanish civil war, and it was far different looking than the USSR was. >this was clear after the collapse of communismI cannot stress enough, that even though the end goal is *on paper* is similar, communism and anarchism are extremely different ideologies.>Anarcho-Capitalists who want to get rid of all public property, would this lead to dictatorship? I don't think so, history has shown that the more private property rights are respected the better the society isWell, respecting private property rights in a liberal market with a government to protect private property rights is different from full blown anarcho capitalism, which has never happened before in a post industrial world. Part 1/2
>>516206760one of the original edgelord symbols. no, libertarianism is too much authority and structure, we need pure anarchy.
>>516206946triumph of the will
>>516241555>>516242361Anarcho communism and anarcho syndicalism however, have happened in practice and have demonstrated themselves to naturally form in the absence of the state. anarcho capitalism is simply not what happens in a stateless society.But hypothetically, let's say it did >Anarcho-Capitalists who want to get rid of all public property, would this lead to dictatorship?I would say that ancap treads really close to possibly forming feudalism, or even dictatorship if somebody can buy a whole town or form their own militia yes. And I believe this has happened before in early US history
>>516242361>Over time it evolved into what we have nowYou have free market now. That's the problem with the 'free' market, it gradually evolves to favor corporations over its own government. The reason America was successful is that it was an extremely isolated country with an abundance of resources
>>516206609Idk but made me laugh
>>516242349I'm not saying that you shouldn't call yourself a libertarian. I'm just saying that the principles that make someone a libertarian should be prioritized over the label itself. Actions speak louder than words. >>516209480The republic of cospaia was a great example of a libertarian society and i was possible because every living there had a sense of mutual respect for one another. Libertarian societies don't work everywhere since they only work with people that have cultural inclinations towards the aforementioned principles that i talked about here >>516242089 . Libertarianism of course won't work for you or people like you because you are untrustworthy and irresponsible, and because you are irresponsible, you are dependent on the state.
>>516206609None, the keys for leadership are Wisdom and Justice and both can't be learned by man's ideologies, but by following God.The real problem is the lack of men following God, since most "christians" are just failures of Evil that have become religious assholes.
>>516206609.I'd take the side of the Nazis. Uncontrolled business means you can profit form Left-wing Socialist values.
>>516208887The only time it was ever acceptable is when Ron Paul supporters would pretend to believe that gay slop, and then contradict it as soon as they opened their mouths.
>>516242709you're also one of these normies they'll use as cattle for war
>>516243942>you're also one of these normies they'll use as cattle for warprobably not. but i will say thisthe big nigger slave on the plantation, with his nigger wife and nigger slave children ate better and was less depressed and had better brain chemistry than a modern nigger living in a jewish urban hellscape.sometimes being cannon fodder in the empire is far better than being a cog in some jewish machine.
>>516211012Anarcho-Communists are basically hippies, dude. They believe that everyone will just live in little self-sustaining communies.
>>516242361>>516242739>You saw this happen in Catalonia during the Spanish civil war, and it was far different looking than the USSR was.It didn't work though even on a purely economic basis, like those kibbutz communes in israel, they require state tax money to even not go bankrupt.>communism and anarchism are extremely different ideologies.Yes, but communism and anrcho-communism are almost exactly the same, and to me getting rid of private property is already communist by definition.>which has never happened before in a post industrial world.Doesn't mean it can't happen and there have been instances of it before that, even in industrial society cultures that respect private property more prosper more, your theory is full of holes and that's why the early anarchists failed and it turned into communism. Anarcho-Capitalism is an attempt to fix Anarchism aand i think it does it quite well.>have happened in practice and have demonstrated themselves to naturally form in the absence of the state.Not really, the people still have to believe in anarcho-communism and it still fails.>I would say that ancap treads really close to possibly forming feudalism, or even dictatorship if somebody can buy a whole town or form their own militia yes.Not a good argument, us Ancaps ourselves say that Ancapism can easily collapse, all it takes is that the people forget freedom and start loving tyranny, we don't really say that Ancapism is perfect and an infinitely stable system, it is imperfect and requires the exercising of rights, nevertheless history on a long scale tends towards a total private property society, it's a miracle that freedom survived the 20th century at all, it only survived to any extent because it is powerful and aligned with truth.
>>516207009People mistake anarchism for an ideology - it's more an a mindset that it is okay to break the law because the law doesn't protect anybody but those in power.
>>516243942i volunteer to be used in a war against zog, anything is better than this nightmare we are living through here, having a shot at shedding the blood of my enemies is in any caye better than this fake peace we live through in the west & have the niggers, commies & jews live all around me like somekind of humiliation ritual. just having one chance to unleash life long frustrations upon those demons is worth a try, sign me up.
>>516243917More and more people are becoming ancaps just like more and more people are becoming nazis, you can hate it but its just true.
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>>516206609The one calling them jews is objectively right (they are all post Christian secular world political inventions created by kikes working for demons)
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>>516238643>>516239378>Plato also believed in an objective morality, and only knowledge of the good can allow you to be good, and therefore be just. He did not believe in democracy.Right but if you pair this with common notions of biological determinism and the fact that no philosopher king can live forever, passing the crown down based on eugenics is the supposed monarchist system. Notions of divinity give legitimacy to the public.
>>516206609You put Anarchists two times
>>516206760The circle means the concept of the absolute, everything, all, the world, and A is just the first letter of Anarchist, so Global Anarchy
>>516222922>The truth here is that fascism, like monarchism, is characterized by a belief in a higher spiritual reality.Yes but there are different types of idealism and the ideal that fascists hold is that might is right.
>>516206609The snakeVery obvious because all the others can only angrily name-call and screech about mises shitposts as if it were some kind of central authority when we haven't read any of them and don't care about their pretensions to speak for us because, well, obviously
>>516244397>It didn't work though even on a purely economic basis, like those kibbutz communes in israel, they require state tax money to even not go bankrupt.Can you elaborate? Catalonia had its problems, but it was far from being a failure >Yes, but communism and anrcho-communism are almost exactly the same, and to me getting rid of private property is already communist by definition.Allow me to elaborate on the way I see it. I don't think we should "get rid of" private property. I believe in a free market the exact same way you do, the difference is that I believe capitalism cannot exist without a state and a truly free market naturally organizes itself in a communistic fashion. >there have been instances of it before thatCommunism is a post industrial thing, so yes, I'm under no delusion. If the state were to abolish itself in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, the results would be much different than when it abolished itself in Spain. The material conditions breed different results. However, I would not call either capitalism in the sense that private property rights are respected. In anarchism, there is no state to guarentee property rights, it is up to you to keep your property within your possession. If anything, I would argue that what you believe in can be called Individualist Anarchism, rather than Anarcho Capitalism.I will also tell you that I don't really believe in all of these different anarchist ideologies. Anarchists all believe in the abolition of the state, and everything that comes after that is theoretical.>>516244898Yes but these are ideas of later thinkers, not Plato himself. His king was not based on blood but on knowledge of the forms, a different type of divine rulership.
>>516207113So called anarchists want to cannibalize other people while calling people who actually want to be left alone and operate through mutual consent bootlickers for simply not being violent evil niggers
>>516207009this frog gets it
>>516245676Plato came before, but others and built off that system. Being anti-democratic is rightwing.
>>516246331Well yeah Plato was right wing, extremely so, even for his time period, never said otherwise
>>516206760Atheism.
>>516207009>>516207113Libertarians are just anarchists who wont go all the way. Whats happens next is more of a gradual change that has been taking place since men realized the men who rule them are not god, and dont talk to him. It will never and should never happen in an instant or a generation because most people arent ready for anarchy tomorrow. Its a crucial generational shift. The only alternative is to be run by a mafia and everyone is waking up to this. Your whole belief structure is based in fear, not what is good or true, and you dont seek it because you fear.
>>516246652But you pushed back against the idea of Plato's noble lie, the idea that people are just made of different stuff, some clay, some bronze, some gold, as an explanation as to why some lead and get more than others. That's nobility.
>>516245676I mean they got crushed by the commies and it's easy to see why, if you look up the israeli kibbutz you can see the problems with this kind of "co-op" anarcho-communism, it's very inefficient economically whatever you think of it's morality.I'm guessing you don't know much about Ancapism. There's a debate here between an ancap and a socialist syndacalist kind of guy that really fleshes out the economics and efficiency of capitalism vs social democracy coops if you're interested.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJQSuUZdcV4>Allow me to elaborate on the way I see it. I don't think we should "get rid of" private property. I believe in a free market the exact same way you do, the difference is that I believe capitalism cannot exist without a state and a truly free market naturally organizes itself in a communistic fashion.I'm not trying to be rude but i don't think that really makes any sense, if you're an ancom i think you should probably kind of say 'yeah there are problems with removing private property but it's the only way to remove tyranny' or something like that. I see literally no reason why a free market would necessarilly organize in a communist fashion, in fact i don't see how you have any private property under communism, i think the way you guys get around that is by calling it "personal property" or something like that but frankly i think thats a stupid semantical game.>I will also tell you that I don't really believe in all of these different anarchist ideologies. Anarchists all believe in the abolition of the state, and everything that comes after that is theoretical.So you're not an Anarchist?
>>516232424>libertarians and anarchists agree on abolishing the Statethen what the fuck is the difference
>>516247885That's the issue with lolberts, they aren't anarchists, they want government to legitimize their ownership of land and protect their rights, but they don't believe that taxes are owed to preserve that system of protection and legitimacy. They often want a system where land ownership just figures and each land owner is king. They fantasize about having the weapons to protect that land, but to even get to this point, to ever fantasize about a place where you're truly okay with everything in this system, you need to think about what happens when a rich person you don't approve of buys the land around you and the government while they are at it? That's why libertarianism is so close to fascism; it works fine only when supported by fascism. It's like if you create a fascist buffer zone that somehow serves those inside it, all playing anarchist in the woods, libertarianism works. If not, if just anyone can participate and the borders are truly libertarian, everything around them gets sold.
>>516247885Here's a diagram because people don't seem to get it, it's all essentially Libertarianism.
>>516249180Libertarianism is a kike invention. You will never have a functional society and civilization without God. See modern civilization
>>516249180>but they don't believe that taxes are owed to preserve that system of protection and legitimacycan you honestly say that's the current government's priority for tax money? they're just like...maintaining the roads maaan
>>516206609>who's righti dont know, i see 4 faggots
>>516209692Actually you are just a faggot.denounce Talmad, global jewery, and yourself.
>>516249303Shouldn't anarchy be the deepest circle? Capitalism is a system, anarchists are likely to be fine with hunter gathering barter systems. Anarcho capitalism is one where it's ready to rebuild a form of a state.
>>516207009It’s mainly drug addicts and extremely antisocial people who for some reason couldn’t into Nazism.
>>516206609All I see are 4 jews.
>>516238313>hur dur hierarchy>muh civilization>being obedient slave is manlyYea thats why testosteron is the weakest among chink an pajeet valley slave decendants that worship hierarchy more than any white man and is the highest among places with history of war and instability like my country.I know you are a jeet or some glowie NPC mormon retard.
>>516206609The one better at violence against its opposition
>>516206609The X of friendship is correct though.
>>516206609Lolz the anarachy symbol got a fucking haircutThese fuckin prudes.
>>516249707>Anarcho capitalism is one where it's ready to rebuild a form of a state.No, Libertarians define Anarcho-Capitalism as just Anarchism, we only say Anarcho-Capitalism to distinguish ourselves from the Anarcho-communists, really it's just Anarchism, so you could simplify it down to this. You could also say that Anarcho-Capitalism is another theory of Anarchism, but we believe it's the correct one, so it's just Anarchism to us.Under Anarcho-Capitalism you're allowed to have a hunter gatherer or barter system or whatever you want as long as it doesn't violate the NAP.
>>516249781>It’s mainly drug addicts and extremely antisocial people who for some reason couldn’t into Nazism.Have you ever met a real Neo-nazi?
>>516206609Nobody is right, they all just want to pretend that the "them" are all the same.
>>516223294>Most of the world existed under feudalism prior to the 1800’s. Before feudalism there was sparse republicanism, clan-type governments, city-states, oligarchies, and warlord states. Genuine freedom is not natural to humans.Actually most humans lived in lawless areas before 1800. Reach of goverment was at best 50 km from city walls. Even less with mountains. Goverment had verry limited range in the past. Even collecting taxes was not worth it if it didnt cover the cost of feeding soldiers and oxes. Roads and railroads changed everything. But point is most of your ansestors didnt live in some city state under strict hierarchy.
>>516215237Missed this pasta. Good stuff.
>>516247709I'll watch the video from>So you're not an Anarchist?Anarchist without adjectives. I meant that I don't believe in anything that comes after anarcho- necessarily. Anarchist unity makes a hell of a lot more sense than leftist unity, for the reason I said. Ancom vs ancap is theoretical, the only thing that really exists is anarchism >i think the way you guys get around that is by calling it "personal property" or something like that but frankly i think thats a stupid semantical game.That's a problem for the Marxists to deal with
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>>516250271One thing I've had explained properly to me. What exactly is the NAP. How is it enforced?
>>516249379What I feel doesn't matter. If libertarians say it's theft, it's always theft. They don't bring up what they agree or don't agree with because it's just the idea of something you have to do. That's why libertarians are fascist leaning; if government was in lock step with them, if that just so happened, they may pay into it, but at that time they just land owners insulated by fascist protection.
>>516250972>Anarchist without adjectives. I meant that I don't believe in anything that comes after anarcho- necessarily. Anarchist unity makes a hell of a lot more sense than leftist unity, for the reason I said. Ancom vs ancap is theoretical, the only thing that really exists is anarchismYes i'd rather work with an ancom than a communist but i still think the theory is wrong because you're not just defining what would happen after Anarchism you're defining what rights themselves are and justifying Anarchism itself and most ancoms exclude private property rights, i'm open to theories of what happens after Anarchism but i think we have enough examples in history to know what happens and it tends toward free markets.
>>516251405Ahhh as I expected, you're a moron
>>516250271>Under Anarcho-Capitalism you're allowed to have a hunter gatherer or barter system or whatever you want as long as it doesn't violate the NAP.I consider the fact that a jew printed bunch of money and bought bunch of resources like land inside a corrupt system agression. Even if we abolish goverment tomorow. To be fair under NAP logic all land should be split equally at the start. Allowing rotschilds to buy everything and then proclaim free market would be a crime.Natural resources are gonna be a problem. You also have libertarians that support imigration that is insane position violating common propery like roads parks etc. You would need signature by every citizen to do that since its common ownership.Also the existence of coorporations is a violation of NAP.
>>516206609>4 faggotsSee ya.
>>516251541>AhhhThat's fine if you don't understand. You likely can't.
>>516251165It's the Non-Aggression Principle, we define aggression as the initiation of force or fraud against someone who has not initiated force or fraud against you, put simply you have the right to defend yourself and you don't have the right to initiate force on others otherwise you lose the right to not have defensive force initiated on you. You have the freedom to do whatever you want as long as you don't initiate force or fraud against others.We have different theories on how to enforce it, some are already used some are theoritical, we would use private militia's, private citizens, and private security/insurance companies to enforce the NAP, we also have a theory called private covenant communities which are purely private societies but heirarchical so there are leaders and mayors and so on, the only difference would be it would be voluntary so you can secede at any time and form your own society, you're not forced to pay taxes etc.I don't blame you for not understanding because the modern Libertarian movement is only 50 years or so old despite being based on the centuries old enlightenment movement, our theories and organizations are new and still developing.
>>516206609No Weapon Shall Prosper in the Name of the Lord.
>>516251405>not stealing via taxes is fascismLol.>>516251645>Natural resources are gonna be a problem. You also have libertarians that support imigration that is insane position violating common propery like roads parks etc.Ancaps believe in private borders which would work much better than garbage government borders, but currently the government has banned private borders because they see it as a violation of civil rights or whatever.>Even if we abolish goverment tomorow. To be fair under NAP logic all land should be split equally at the start.Realistically if we abolished government tommorrow our plan would be to privatize everything, people who already had property rights would be given full private property rights, probably we would take a sum of how much taxes each citizen had paid and give them shares in the newly privatized 'government', this private corporation that replaced the government would immediately go bankrupt because of how much they owe to the citizens they stole from for so many years, but after it dissolves the companies that result won't be completely worthless so some level of wealth will have been preserved, sadly most of the money that the government has took has already been destroyed by incompetent bastards, but at least the worst of them will have been bankrupted and forced to repatriate the wealth they stole to the citizens, and then after that the economy will rapidly grow.
>>516207214yes
>>516206609being that the greatest leaders in Libertarianism, Communism, and Anarchism ARE Jews, verifiably, I'm gonna say Nazis are right.
>>516206609The Nazis weren’t liberals so the communist is wrong The Nazis were more fascist more than socialists really so the Libertarian is wrong Libertarians aren’t fascist so the Anarchist is wrong The Nazi says that there’s three jews:Anarchism, communism and libertarianism have jews heavily involved so the Nazi is correct
>>516251527> see literally no reason why a free market would necessarilly organize in a communist fashionWell property "rights" exist metaphysically in the sense that you have a "rightful" ownership over your possessions. And then there are legal rights, which protect those metaphysical rights in a normal non-stateless system. Capitalism developed with the understanding that a person's property is legally his, that it is not solely his own responsibility to protect that property, but that the state also guarantees it's a crime for this property to be stolen from him You say repeatedly how societies tend to be better the more they respect property rights, and point to ancap as the logical extreme of that. But I'm telling you that anarchism (and ancap in practice) actually respects metaphysical property rights less than libertarianism, because there are no legal property rights to protect them, and no state to protect them. In anarchism, it is an individuals responsibility alone to defend his possessions, and make sure they remain in his possession. You say there will be private police, private militias, etc. and sure, that might happen, but I'm arguing that this cannot be called capitalism in the way it has historically been understood, and the way it has developed alongside a state. The way a person tangibly owns something is not in essence the same. What you really believe in is a sort of individualist anarchism>>516252462>covenant communities which are purely private societies but heirarchical so there are leaders and mayors and so on, the only difference would be it would be voluntary so you can secede at any time and form your own society, you're not forced to pay taxes etc.>>516253620>our plan would be to privatize everything, people who already had property rights would be given full private property rightsWho is this us? this all happens in the context of a stateless society. And communism exists within capitalism, ppl can organize how they want
>>516254818That first green text is out of place, idk what I was doing when I did that, I took a break from the thread for a minute
>>516237411>National Socialism is a third position. It is both "far-left" and "far-right."Hitler was a Nazbol?
>>516206757It’s embedded on a Klein Bottle surface
>>516207009it's crazy people dont need government daddy to live, so crazy
>>516210027you're retarded. 99% of humans have lived in anarchy. Governments are a recent phenomena and are always established by evil murderous psychopaths. It's the product of the degeneration of humanity. retard.
>>516209289you quite literally just explained why governments are the problem
>>516244496wrong while somehow being correct. It's more about "fuck off"
>>516253620>people who already had property rights would be given full private property rights, probably we would take a sum of how much taxes each citizen had paid and give them shares in the newly privatized 'government', this private corporation that replaced the government would immediately go bankrupt because of how much they owe to the citizens they stole from for so many years, but after it dissolves the companies that result won't be completely worthless so some level of wealth will have been preserved, sadly most of the money that the government has took has already been destroyed by incompetent bastards, but at least the worst of them will have been bankrupted and forced to repatriate the wealth they stole to the citizens, and then after that the economy will rapidly grow.This doesnt make any sense. First fiat money is no marker of your real contributions to the system. Second creating a coorporation that is gonna go bancrupt is insane. Coorporations are goverment created entities. I guess goal was to give goverment resources to citizens. You could have just split all land. In your system some blackrock ngo that tehnically paid taxes on printed bilions gets almost everything.
>>516254465>The Nazis were more fascist more than socialists really so the Libertarian is wrongFascism is a socialist ideology and amounts to socialism on steroids.
>>516206609It's ironic because it's the leftist commies calling everyone a kike that won't vote for Kamala and cut their dick off or whatever the current brigade flood is.
>>516208887He’s not alone. We are still around; waiting on the rest of you to wisen up.
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>>516256918>First fiat money is no marker of your real contributions to the system.then we'll adjust for inflation, simple.>Second creating a coorporation that is gonna go bancrupt is insane.I've got news for you the corporation we call the government is already bankrupt, it was bankrupt from the start, you have to look at reality instead of what you wish it was.
>>516256918>In your system some blackrock ngo that tehnically paid taxes on printed bilions gets almost everything.Then anyone who printed money will have to pay back what they printed to all citizens, we just want what was stolen to be repatriated, sadly you can never do all of it because you can't go back 200 years so you have to prove it was stolen which is quite easy to do.
BLACK GENOCIDE........ NOW.
>>516242353I understand this very well, and I'm not an anarchist (anymore) for more-or-less that reason. Anarchism is rooted, if you ask me, in a lack of recognition of black authority (e.g. gangs) and the subsequent belief that abolishing all white authority (the realm/republic) would result in a utopia, instead of the criminal tyranny it actually results in.
>>516254818>Who is this us? this all happens in the context of a stateless society. And communism exists within capitalism, ppl can organize how they want"Us" as in the individuals in institutions created in Anarcho-Capitalist society.>it is an individuals responsibility alone to defend his possessions, and make sure they remain in his possession.Yeah but you can get others to help you defend it or whatever, i don't even know what you're trying to get at.>but I'm arguing that this cannot be called capitalism in the way it has historically been understoodWe don't really care how it's historically understood we just state reality.>What you really believe in is a sort of individualist anarchismI don't know, maybe, if i do i'd still call it Ancapism, it doesn't really make much difference to me.
