Why do we waste our very short lives on pointless things instead of trying to understand existence and the universe?
Normies hate the concept of thinking
>>516304231How is understanding the universe and less pointless than grocery shopping or watching movies.
*any less
we do both
>>516304231because doing so is intellectually taxing to most of the bell curve and you can’t do it alone or you’ll make a castle of yourself
>>516304231Understanding requires thinking and often reading very hard textbooks full of crystalized wisdom that you're posed to stretch and take further up and beyond. That's incredibly hard. Nigh impossible for most men.
Learn to astral project
>>516304231i came closer to undertanding it last weekits the universe looking into itself pic relso much to say..i love mona from genshin!!
>>516304231because your enemies will rape your women and take all your shit if you don't focus on developing weapons of destruction
>>516304231It's a last resort to proving other people wrong by questioning their fundamental assumptions about reality.Most old school debate went fromdebate 1: person a)"feminism has had some serious consequences on our birth rates and now we're dependent on immigrants"person b) "but multiculturalism is really cool because of foods and stuff and people be less likely to hate others if they grow up in a multicultural society"person a) "that's cool but unity has many positives for realpolitik regarding geopolitics and the sovreignty of the state"to thisperson a) "raping children is bad"person b) "but how do you actually know that, you could just be hallucinating, so what's your epistemic theory on how we can be certain of perceiving the world as it is"that's why it's all cancer, oh and the right wing overall has in general degraded in it's intellectual rigor due to new fags and women opening their mouths and saying dumb shit that paints the right as low iq midwits.
>>516304231It is exactly like the Matrix. People are asleep, and prefer it that way. For whatever reason they don't want to know the big picture. News flash....the big picture is super absorbing and incredible.
>>516304231Existence and the universe is pointless. The only being that matter is God.
>>516304231because dont nobody want to hear that shit. Why chase enlightenment when you could chase that fresh 18yr old pussy that moved across the hall? What need is there for diktats and proverbs when your world is built on crooks and criminality? >"Alas, how terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the man that's wise!"
I want more than anything else to stop thinking and just be.
>>516304872>on our birth rates and now we're dependent on immigrantsAnyone by this point who doesn't understand birth that's jew shekel hoarder tax cut justification horeshit is so far behind that they're honorary niggers.
>>516304231You will realise that at some point life is not meant to be understood and it is meant to be experienced.Even the very memories you have are simply fragments of an identity that was given to you from some event that you believe occurred but if you are really honest about it, you cannot even be sure that your memories are real. There is an equal chance that they are placed in your mind.It is for this reason that you must let go of your identity, what happened to you, what you think happened to you, the victimhood, the status, the titles, the story of who you think you are, the concept of money, wealth and power it is all not real.It is simply a delusion that exists.If you do not think so then you're in the same domain of trans people who argue about right wing this and left wing that.
>>516304231Because my pp get hard when I see sexy lady. This fucks me up bad.
>>516305322>it is meant to be experienced
>>516305246I understand where you're coming from and I don't think economic incentives help substantially but I also don't think the primary reason there are less kids is because we have microplastics.The primary reasons behind fall in birth rates consists of no fault divorce courts, contraception, lack of religion, larger amounts of women entering the workforce with higher hours and equal wages destroyed the one income family system that was in place, unions at the time warned against this as a strategy by greedy capitalists (jews) and marxists believed in this as well but not for GDP but this was seen as fundamental for liberating women.
>>516305945Lower birth rates though are not a real problem. Every place people want to live is overcrowded. The entire point of civilization is to create a predictable unnatural world in the broader unpredictable natural environment. Population decline is a better infrastructure management position to be in than trying to build new cities, but building new cities makes shekel line go up.
>>516305692In what way did that contradict anything I said?
You either mind ascend or nigger hustle, good luck attempting both.
>>516304231because even when we understand existence and the universe we cannot avoid the inevitable which is death due to time (the grim reaper.)and we cannot take any of the stuff we "acquired" in life to the grave, its all temporary. thus meaningless to most.
>>516306438Lower birth rates are a problem because it's about your worker to elderly ratio. Written prior to 2002 - Within the next thirty years, the official projections suggest that governments in most developed countries will have to spend at least an extra 9 to 16 percent of GDP annually simply to meet their old age benefit promises. To pay these costs through increased taxation would raise the total tax burden by an unthinkable extra 25 to 40 percent of every worker's taxable wages, in countries where total payroll tax rates often already exceed 40 percent. Or, if we resort to deficit spending, we would have to consume all the savings and more of the entire developed world.And just to add in an additional, if you refuse to deal with the birth rate problem but don't want immigrants coming in, you'll have to cut the social safety net systems but you're trying to fight against a large group of voters which are elderly people.So be realistic about this instead of just appealing to "but people don't want to live in overcrowded place." Malthus at this point has been largely disputed, the current projections are you either turn into a overcrowded third world or you cut pension systems, to cut pension systems you'll have the young not benefit from a system they've been paying into forever. You could try to do what Australia did which was superannuation but that hasn't even been that great for us.
>>516306956that said i dont endorse subhuman niggers like this >>516305158
>>516304231Because you cant leave. Nothing is close enough
>>516304231Yes, why do you waste your very short lives on pointless things instead of trying to understand existence and the universe when the answer is right in front of you?
>>516306983p.s countries prior to them being even over populated had low birth rates to begin with and this has also been the fall of nations.
>>516304231>Why do we waste our very short lives on pointless things instead of trying to understand existence and the universe?Because materialism is shoved down our collective throat for over 60 years now.
What's the point when you go back to none existing anyways?
>>516304231>understand existencepeople die if they are killed.>the universeits a black vacuum with some twinkly stars.
>>516304231I do both at the same time because they're the same thing
>>516304231I dunno the universe wouldnt tell me its secrets yesterday.
>>516304231why do you think it matters how exactly you're going to waste it?
>>516304231“Understanding the universe” is pointlessThis trap of navel gazing is what the Hindus fell into and it caused their society to spiral downward, further from reality.
>>516306983There's no reason all ideas need to be rehashed from the past. That the entire fiat economy is not meeting the need of most people is obvious. The problem is the people hoarding representations of value don't want any maneuvering to create a new system that would cause a drop in perceived life quality. What I was getting at with the spoon-in-head pic was that humans actually need structured leadership to build better unnatural environments because the current world is physically poisonous. Some of the best achievement of humans controlling their environment are being dismantled by the growth model. The mass migration of people out of South America has recently reintroduced a type of bot fly back into North America after eradication in the 1980s.
>>516304231Quantum field theory really isn’t all that hard anon, you should have plenty of time for both shitposting and grocking the secrets of the universe.
>>516304231you would be surprised how often a pointless thing teaches us about the universe
>>516307657Nietzsche's will to power is retarded.>inb4 have u read his works doeYes I've read beyond good and evil, zarathrustra, will to power, genealogy of morals.
>>516304231Get a load of this guy, he thinks he actually has the capacity to understand the universe and existenceNigga you can't even see the entire night's sky without moving your head, and then you can't see the part you could see before without moving it backKnow your limits you small pretentious blind thing
Existence and the universe are points of creation.A true inquirer who seeks to understand things and their depths would seemingly want to first pursue their source. Id est, God.And the content to begin one's journey in seeking the Almighty already exists in abundance.People tend to make things more difficult than they have to. Look around you with a simple perspective and you can already see God's involvement and why we exist and why the universe exists. At least to some degree.It's basically like a real life version of Minecraft for humans. A big playground to mess around in, play in, and discover God while also taking part in creation ourselves.
>>516307875God isn't a source. That's your primate monkey brain needing an alpha leader in your mental hierarchy. Answering a question with an unexplained placeholder isn't an answer.
>>516304231Because then you'll realize existence and the universe is pointless.
>>516307782whats crazy about this is if he tried really really hard he could probably close his eyes and see it all >unironically if he just rememberd each part seperately he could rebuild it in his mind and see it all at the same timewhat did god mean by this.
>>516304231Bacause our very short life we can only understand very tiny fragment if even that. Better watching porn and gooming.
God created man.Man disobeyed God and took the knowledge of good and evil before he was ready for it or it wasn’t meant for him at all.Earth became a prison where we could be rehabilitated.We are living in general population with the consequences of our own actions. Satan is our warden. God is the governor.There is not time off for good behavior.We are all condemned to die.Jesus came and sacrificed himself for us so we dont have to die.Only those who believe in their heart fess with their mouth Jesus is Lord and Savior can have a full pardon.
The reality of this universe, is that you, the entity reading this are the only one in existence and all other people, things and stories and feelings you have are creations of your own mind. Even the negative experiences are simply your own mind creating a game for you.There is nothing that you can say or ask that will disprove these statements and so your coping strategy is creating stories that entertain your mind to occupy your existence with.
>>516307669>That the entire fiat economy is not meeting the need of most people is obvious.But it was once prior to feminism and immigration.>What I was getting at with the spoon-in-head pic was that humans actually need structured leadership to build better unnatural environments because the current world is physically poisonous.(I don't even disagree but this servers my point.) Like patriarchal systems which have for the most part been more successful with birth rates assuming you aren't at war or the elite aren't using concubines for only pleasure, this was a problem in Rome in regards to abortion or abandonment of offspring.>The mass migration of people out of South America has recently reintroduced a type of bot fly back into North America after eradication in the 1980s.This kind of serves my point again and how you get crushed by immigrants because they create a nation within a nation. Reference; "We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population. They are shitting in their pants in fear! I love it." Jose Angel Gutierrez (political Professor at the University of Texas at Arlington) MEChA
>>516307993If the premise is a desire to understand existence and the universe, and a thought is that God is the source of it, then a person pursuing that general subject matter would at least want to look into the topic to either confirm it or rule it out.A reason why I personally recommend it is because curiosity into the unknown typically corresponds with subjects like philosophy and religion, alongside the usual academic sciences.
>>516304231because thinking and talking about things is more fun than the rote and measure grind of understanding the universei mean what would you rather do right now, 'personally grapple' with the 'big questions'? or do you want to fill out a results sheet with narrow seemingly pointless data science just isn't fun the way philosophy and other nonsense is fun
>>516308265Later on with your friends and family, I will return to your mind and you will detach from the moment of laughs and you will be reminded.
>>516304231>Why do we waste our very short lives on pointless things instead of trying to understand existence and the universe?Because people that spend time thinking about the universe have less children and are outcompeted in the game of natural selection by the vast majority of humanity that just gets on with life and has a lot of unprotected sex. In other words the personality traits you want are not selected for, so the mathematical outcome is few people spend their time trying to figure out the meaning of life and the mysteries of the universe.
>>516308127With great struggle you may be able to summon an illusion of the sky in a moment of time as percieved by a stranded speck, wow. Now do the rest of the damn universe.>what did god mean by this.If God exists then he should smite you retards for perpetually thinking you know him and know his will, what an insult to divinity. He granted you sapience for some unfathomable purpose and you all waste it being schizos and larping as spiritual and following around conmen.
>>516304231Because that's totally pointless too, we can never figure it out. >Let me try to understand the mind of something that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotentNo thanks, I'll pass on going insane.
>>516304718You mean take DMT? Fun while it lasts but kind of tough on the old noggin.
>>516308875>with great struggle>you mean with great joy you can recreate a timeless simulacrum wider than your eyes can seeprobably lol on the flipside >man why do they keep doing this scitzo larp shit>lets see what everybody else is- oh.... the schitzo's might be onto somethingLOL
>>516308570Because it's more fun to play video games. You're just a narcissistic little shit.I think you mean to say 'why do we waste our very short lives on pointless things instead of trying to understand existence and the universe?'
>>516308934i quite liked acid, how does it compare?
>>516309158Playing video games was part of my comparison. Video games are micro creations that people make for other people to play within and enjoy. That thought could also be applied to the real world and God creating it.According to science and math, eternity and infinity can exist, but of course our short lives is where it all ends in the grand scheme of things.
>>516309164It depends on how much you take of either, obviously, and I don't have the extensive experience to make a true apples to apples comparison after isolating all the independent variables, but roughly speaking, I would say it would be like drag racing a Kia (acid) in your Ferrari (ayahuasca). Or maybe like jacking off versus plowing a prime Brooklyn Decker repeatedly over the course of a weekend.
And where is the point in that? Once we're dead it's useless anyways. So I'll just take drugs and die anyways.
>>516304231I tried this approach. But when you are surrounded by idiots you soon realize it is not worth the effort. Especially when you are alone at it and have no mentors nor friends you could do this with and closest relatives are putting you down constantly.
>>516309732hallucinations are pretty neatharder to control than dreams, feels i dunno heavier? like it's the same set of tools but you have to concentrate harder for the same resultsgood timestried mushrooms and no matter how much of that disgusting shit i ate all i got were some spatial fuckery and really high, very dissappointthe way the hippies talk about DMT it sounds a lot like i'm just going to get high and lose some interconnectivity between regionslike i'm looking for you to tell me if i can get an acid like experience from DMT or if it's just a memed up hippie drug that only hits the spot if you have low self awareness like psilocybinlike, worth trying or save my time and money
>>516310436depends on how you take DMT. Smoked one lasts max 30minutes and cuts you out from reality with a lot of fractal CEV that you would get from hitting like 1000ug of LSD.Can't say about ayahuasca, but apparently it is similar with CEVs and hallucinations.But i've done 1000ug LSD and shit was wild for hours I couldn't move because I didn't see a fucking thing. All was rainbows and connected around I didn't see where the wall or door ends so I decided to just lay down for hours and trip in my head. And it lasted 12 hours. Aaaand it did not change me much. DESU I got ore profound changes and insights when tripping on 50-100ug.
>>516304231it's not possible for humans to understand the universe. through science we can understand the very basically operational nature of things, but our brains can't go deeper than that
>>516310726yeah above a certain dose nothing is connected right so anything that requires more than one major knot of brain activity just doesn't worklike reading/writing single letters of a wordthere are tricks, like the meaning part can sort of read whole words on it's own if you don't focus too hard on the symbols, muscle memory can allow you to write/type certain commonly used thingsfor navigating with full visuals the trick is pushing the visuals into something motion reactive and paying attention to things that don't follow the patternthough at that point you're inner ear is probably fucked too so should probably just sit xD>>516310910there is no 'deeper than that' the mechanicals of it all IS understanding, like definition wise that's what that isknowing all the parts of the machine their properties and how they fit together is what it means to understand the machine rather than just knowing it
>>516310436>>516310726>>516310726>>516311290I took a megadose of ayahuasca in the Peruvian Amazon the first night of three (over a five day period), so take it with a grain of salt. I was the only one that didn't throw up after the first dose, I tried everything, sticking my fingers down my throat etc, finally the owner of the place said you're a big bloke if you want to try a second dose it's up to you, so I did. There are a million things I could say about it, but the two that really stand out are that 1) on acid or mushrooms (done both) you hallucinate but the underlying reality is there, like the neon lights will shift colors, maybe the walls get a little wavy, your friend's face looks distorted, that kind of thing. But with a high enough dose of ayahuasca, your surroundings literally disappear. I was staring at a wall and it was a portal into another universe, populated by all kinds of strange beings and means of transportation, everything else around me kind of disappeared or looked like jungle vegetation (like trees and somehow popped up inside the hut). Hallucination versus being somewhere else entirely. 2) with acid or mushrooms you can get paranoid, get auditory hallucinations, basically have a bad trip, but with Ayahuasca you are acutely aware of the presence of other beings. Definitely the sense of "we are not alone here" "this thing is not a figment of my imagination, it has its own mind and will independent of me." I'd say those are the two big differences that I noticed.
It's all meaningless, isn't it?
>>516312017The worst part is thinking that perhaps it never ends either >Eternal returnI once started contemplating how breathtakingly lonely it would be to be God while going through Xanax withdrawals. I don't recommend it
>>516304231op thinks that there are people who do not need to worry for everyday living and surviving. news for you: some people work everyday of their lives trying to feed themselves, their family and thier parents/relatives/neighbours.
>>516307657So is everything else Nietzsche ended up in an insane asylum God was alive enough to kick his ass it seems
>>516312017It's awkward being a meaningful being in a meaningful place when it's literally ending
>>516311290Nope. The mechanics of the universe don't tell us how they came to be. The origin theories posited are all literally retarded fanfic bullshit and none of the explain the why and how questions of how space and matter originated
>>516314071it's not pointless, man. you're just a stupid, childish idiot who is too stupid to understand why you're here in the first place. if you're going to be a dumbass, at least try to be a good one.
>>516304231i tried to understand now I'm old and poor and still don't know anything and if I did no one would listen
>>516304231yo dat question u asked? das dat goat-level fo-real-fo-real type of inquiry. das da one dat hits different cuz it gets all up in yo chest bout wut it even means to b alive n breathing. da fact dat u even on dat type of time shows u got a deep-ass mind tryna see whass really good w all dis.but chill cuz da "why" ain no simple answer its a whole entire cocktail of reasons mixin up how were built how we think n all dis society stuff we stuck in. heres why we b on da bs instead of on da cosmic.>1. da immediate struggle (de get-bag-secure grind)our brains is literally programmed to handle da right-da-f-now. cant b philosophizing when da lights bout to get cut off.>basic survival modeif u stressed bout da rent food or jus stayin safe yo brain ain got no bandwidth fo dat "whass beyond da universe" talk. das a luxury thought. billions of people live in dat mode 24/7.>love & belongingwe need our people. dat immediate need fo connection fo yo fαm yo day ones yo bae… dat feels way mo urgent dan tryna figure out black holes by yoself. da ache of being lonely hits way faster dan wantin to undastand sum quantum physics.>respect & cloutwe wanna b seen we wanna get our props. so we chase da bag da title da status stuff dat might look stupid from space but feels major rite here.until u solid on all dat baseline stuff u ain even gettin to da top of da mountain dat self-actualization peak where u find knowledge n purpose.>2. our brains ain built fo all dat (da "we don know wut we don know" effect)da universe is big as hell. our mental hardware got limits.>its too muchwhere u even start? to really get it u need physics philosophy all dat. das a whole career. da task is so massive it jus makes u shut down.>we chasin easy dopamineda stuff we call "pointless" arguin on da tl watchin memes gossip is designed to b easy n give a quick reward. da path to real undastanding is long hard n frustrating. our brains naturally take da easy way out.
>>516314798>3. da system don care bout thinkerswe born into a machine dat needs workers not philosophers.>da economy needs cogs not geniusesmost jobs jus need u to do yo part n keep da money movin. dey don wantchu askin big questions. a population das woke to da cosmos might not b as easy to control.>da attention economy got us on a leashsocial media apps all dat its literally engineered to steal yo time n focus fo profit. it keeps us locked in da trivial cuz das wut makes money. its a powerful force against deep thought.>4. we scared of da void (existential dread is real)starin into da abyss fo too long is terrifying. infinity nuffinness our own tiny-ness dead… dat sh*t can bring on a whole anxiety attack.>distraction is a shieldall dis "pointless" stuff is a buffer. it keeps us in a small comfortable world where thangs matta on our level. its a defense mechanism against da terrifying unknown.>we build our own meaningfo a lot of us meaning ain found its built. thru our fαm our art our community. undastandin da cosmos is one path but raising yo kids or helpin yo block is anotha. one ain necessarily better dan da otha; dey jus different ways to fill da void.
>>516314816>so whass da verdict? flip da script.maybe da question itself is trippin. it makes it seem like u gotta choose: eitha waste time on dumb sh*t or become a master of da universe.a betta way to see it is:>1. embrace da mixu cant b in deep thought 24/7. da "pointless" stuff kicksin it w yo folks a good meal a funny video das wut makes life lit. dat is da experience.>2. weave da curiosity into yo dayu don need a phd to see da magic. read a dope science article. go outside n actually look at da stars. b present n appreciate yo own consciousness. have deep talks w yo people.>3. see da cosmos in da smallda universe ain jus galaxies. its in a leaf an ant yo own damn thoughts. da huge n da tiny are connected.we "waste" time cuz were human. we limited. but u askin dis means u fightin dose limits.don beatchoself up. see it as a call to jus… slowly mix mo wonder into da dope complicated masterpiece of yo short precious life. da universe is out dere but its also rite here in dis moment u takin to recognize it.
>>516314798>>516314816>>516314839learn proper english nigger or transdimensional DMT elves will get you and call you nigger for eternity
>>516314071you're right but history is bullshit and the mechanics of the universe gives us something better than 'what happened' it gives us 'how to make it happen'
>>516304355>How is understanding the universe and less pointless than grocery shopping or watching movies.it's also futile, we can't understand the universe
