or make it explode from stopping in it?
Prove to me he wasn't shot from behind.
>>516316140add bones and sinew and shin holding it together.I have mauser 30-06 for hunting and even with soft point you can get clean shoot to neck of boar or deer.
>>516316278you can see feedback force from shoot: he is pressed against chair and then recoils forward
The mass of some hunk of steak sitting on a table is not quite the same as a living body.Steak has no contractions, it is inert.The hunk of steak weighs probably 30x less than a human body.This shot is from much closer than "200 yards", which means the kinetic energy is much higher.
>>516316291>>516316278official version is that it deflected from the armor goyimssee, the bullet did not splashed, but remained as one and deflected upwards
>>516316140The entire thing was faked. The guy that played the Charlie Kirk character is in Tel Aviv
>>516316365upward is in the chin. >why are memeflags armortards?
DRT?>>516316278Best mic drop ever. Shame they the vids everyone show always cut the mic drop off.
>>516316355So it would've gone through his neck...correct?
>>516316140Here’s a video of a deer hit by 30-06 from 200 yards. As you’ll see, the bullet drops the deer instantly (from a neck shot ironically enough), but the neck is still in tact and does not explode.https://youtu.be/769IcPgq_TQ?si=YqPQTGBGvw_d59BL
>>516316278he most likely was, but before that. proof that 30-06 DIDN'T hit him is easy currently
>>516316429only soft armor would have kept the bullet in one blob maybeif you hit hard plate, the bullet spalls but here we have only one entrance
>>516316491because the bullet passed THROUGH the neck. AND LEFT a 4-5ft trail of blood that the bullet carried with it.>I fucking found and posted that video you dumbshit
>>516316560soft armor can not catch a 30-06. nor would it deflect. nor would it NOT LEAVE A FUCKING HOLE>try again memeflag
What's this?
>>516316647Video
>>516316140Hit his chest flak vest and deflected into his neck, extremely unlucky
>>516316566You can see the deer squirming on the ground after being hit, hence the blood trail. Charlie was likely hit in the spinal cord, rendering him paralyzed, which is why he wasn’t squirming.
>>516316278You are a fucking worthless schizophrenic retard, there you go i proved it for you. Least fucking braindamaged low IQ lead poisoned American holy fucking shit get me off this planet the ocean between us is not enough.
>>516316701how does the bullet stays in one piece
>>516316734then where is the blood splatter behind him on the tent, or exit hole from side views?>>516316701please see>>516316429How many fucking retards are there?
>>516316459Are you somehow suggesting his neck is comparable to ballistic gel in terms of the length of penetration?As you can see with your photographic evidence the bullet does not start producing cavitation until it is almost halfway through the ballistics gel.(Unless the ballistics gel was hit at a 45 degrees angle? why would you give such terrible evidence as a point of contention?)
>>516316365> official version is that it deflected from the armor goyimsWhere is it stated?soft point would flatten or scatter. But FMJ would deflect.
>>516316837are suggesting the side of his neck can stop a 30-06 round?
>>516316140it's obvious that the jewish makeup woman for kirk rubbed petn explosive and metal oxide nanopowder on his neck which was triggered by a laser from the guy standing in front of kirk in the crowd.. mossad gave the troon blanks and the rifle shot which acoustically triggered the laser burst causing the patch on his neck to explode. that's why no bullet has been found.
>>516316647>>516316673Necklace chain.>>516316734It's HIGHLY likely the force of the impact shockwave/bullet hit his spine and that pulverized both the upper neck spine and did huge damage to his brainstem.At the same time, that kind of shockwave force in that area likely KO'd him instantly.He was basically dead the moment the bullet connected, and medically dead before the blood started pouring. No way to recover that level of injury.Again I'm reposting:How many of the posters ITTs are just brown/chinl/russian people celebrating the murder of a prominent White figure?
>>516316895why are you making such wild statements to me?when did I say "stop" ?
>>516316278The video proves it. His shirt moves before Kirk moves. Couldn't be shot from behind. Bullet hits the necklace in the front causing his shirt to fly up, when the shirt comes back down without any blood on it there is a hole.Unless your bullet can magically pass through Charlie's neck without making him move, then leave his neck without creating a visible exit wound. Only to finally hit his necklace, causing his shirt to fly upOr he was shot from the front.Occam's razor.Interesting, you edited the video to hide everything that proves you are wrong
>>516316895Bones can. It also depends on powder used in cartridge.
>>516316758I know it wasn't subtle I was just shitposting to fish out a few of the (((usual suspects)))Sorry m'dude. Netherlands needs to fight back, I support you.
>>516316836We don’t have high quality footage of the event, but see >>516316673 you can see a bit of blood splatter backwards immediately upon impact. Real life is not a movie.
>>516316140it hit his spine, then bullet/bone/fragment recoiled back out the front of his neck.
>>516316647His earpiece flying off from the shockwave. You can see it better from the back angle.
>>516316429fully concur about armortards being tards
It did go through. The wound you see from the front is the result of the same force that made that steak explode. Its just rather than Kirk's neck sitting on a table in isolation, it was connected to a fully grown man.The footage is perfectly consistent with a 30-06. Stop making excuses for tranny leftists.
>>516316910>How many of the posters ITTs are just brown/chinl/russian people celebrating the murder of a prominent White figure?bout 85% at this pointSo you're suggesting the angle of the shot was farther right, hit him in the neck first, then hit his neck bones and stopped? 1500ft lbs of energy just a little hole, a few inches, and stopped in his spinal column...without exploding the entire other side of his neck?
>>516316837The difference is ballistic gel is not comparable to real bodies. 10% density gel (like the clear, easy to see stuff most people make for videos) is less than half as "thick" as what would be needed to represent actual mammalian tissue.I gotta say fellas, really glad I have tomorrow off because I need to be present for a Fiber-To-The-Home install.I have all night and day to tell you all how you're stupid.
>>516316673Where's the footage from the "camera" behind him.
>>516316926well it didn't go through from all available video during and after the event as evidenced by ZERO blood splatter on the WHITE TENT BEHIND HIM, and complete lack of exit wounds
>>516317068Thanks
>>516316429>>516316566>>516316646Why are you greentexting? Do you even know what greentext is used for? Are you a newfag?
>>516317098So sorry the bullet didn't produce movie-like blood spatter for you dude
>>516316955Do you know how transfer of massive amounts energy works?
Not a SINGLE one of you has realized yet it was the aliens who did this. It's obvious the reptillians used a matter propulsion device and launched an ice bullet into his neck. Yhat's why no bullet has been recovered, because it melted.
official story can lick a nigger's anusisrael killed kirk because he was distancing himself, and they couldn't lose his followers, they fear the tidal effect
>>516316520That's his fucking haircut for fucks sake. You guys are retarded.
>>516316673The fact that his head is forced instantly down into his chest seems really consistent with the bullet entering from the front, no? Like if I take my hand and push it into my throat, my head wants to turn down...
>>516317152>see lame attempt of jewish well-poisoning with a schizo post>hide posti wish there was a hide button irl for your ugly face, so humans wouldn't have to look at you or hear you
>>516317052>bullet hole in his shirt after the woundThat anon is trying to suggest it wasn't Israel. Nothing to see here. Just a murder. Nothing out of the ordinary in an average American day.
>>516317183>hide postoh look another jew, im playing hide-a-jewshill now
>>516317210You just got baited by some of the weakest bait I’ve ever seen. Seriously pathetic.
>>516316954The video shows blood on Kirk's right neck near his ear, which was the entrance wound. That's what the "edited" video shows, and it's literally just a shorter version of the video that's been posted about a million times on /pol/ alone, so your framing it as "hiding everything" is bullshit. You kikes really are shameless and also inept.
>>516316954the official narrative is that the bullet hit the left side of his neck...and necklace simultaneously?>>516316965>blood splatterthat is not blood. it is his earpiece if you continue to watch you see it attached to a clear wire
>>516317110>reddit spacing
Laser Cavitation Jet InjectorsCompressed Gas Jet InjectorsInductive Neckloop Comms Devicehttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169409X21005020https://www.otto-comm.com/wireless-inductive-neckloop-with-barrel-ptt-beigeOperation Grim Beeper (2.0?)
>>516316140You've done been explained that the neck is not a solid piece of meat like that pork butt is. A human neck is mostly skin and soft tissue. All the bone is at the back, and there's some cartilage at the front. There is no muscle except the tongue. Skin and blood vessels are not ballistics gel. There's nothing to slow the bullet to cause a pressure build up behind it to create a shockwave or an explosion, the neck is not meat or a large cavity. The bullet went in below his right ear and exited the bottom left of his throat. This was not sufficient to cause a larger exit wound.
>>516317377Bullets move very quickly, in case you weren't aware.
>>516317069it went up in smoke
>>516316140I can hear Paul Harrel describing the ammunition with excruciating detail.
>>516317382You don’t even know what that term means.
>>516316140where is the skin, nigger? ffs. Skin is a organ.
>>516317069I saw footage of someone taking it down before the scene was even cleared.
>>516316910Inductive Neckloophttps://www.otto-comm.com/wireless-inductive-neckloop-with-barrel-ptt-beigeLaser Cavitation Jet InjectorsCompressed Gas Jet Injectorshttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169409X21005020Operation Grim Beeper (2.0?)
>>516316140Less mass = less energy transferredThe bullet did go straight through his neck
>>516317144A 30-06 round carries a lot of energy. That energy is taking shit with it on its way through. Or dumping it all into the target. A 30-06 coming to a near dead stop would produce drastically different results on a human neck. is this hard for you conceptualize pajeet?
>>516316278>back and to the leftist
>>516317494Smoke wasn’t from the camera it was from the outgassing of the device in his neck.
>>516317208now push the back of your right ear
>>516317481please draw the path of the bullet to hit a necklace and his neck when his necklace is under his neck.
>>516317377>it is his earpiece if you continue to watch you see it attached to a clear wirePlease show me where his ear piece was BEFORE he was shot.
>>516317536Yeah, I saw that footage. Like of all the things to be priority #1, it was that camera. Was the most important thing by the way people were scrambling.
>>516317549is that your fee-fee's saying that or do you have any evidence to back your claim>no blood or hole on back stop>thusly the bullet stayed in him>IF it was a 30-06 , like they said, then his neck would've exploded from the transfer of energy
>>516316140>Please explain how a 30-06 not go straight through his neckIt hits the spinal chord, only explanation I can come to.>or not explodeBullet probably did fragment. We need the autopsy, expect it in 3 - 5 weeks from Utah's AG office.
>>516317377Why do you think the necklace needed to be hit to break apart and fly all over?Do you even understand the level of energy involved in a 2500ftlb projectile interacting with an/(a) (complex set of) object(s) inside of 50 millisecond?
>>516316647Necklace and/or Inductive Neckloophttps://www.otto-comm.com/wireless-inductive-neckloop-with-barrel-ptt-beigeOutfitted with aLaser Cavitation Jet InjectorOrCompressed Gas Jet InjectorEngineered to be much higher pressure and (explosively) tear a hole through his neck from close range?https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169409X21005020
>>516317377If the shooter fired from the roof the trajectory of the bullet make no sense
>>516316560>soft nipply armorI'm so done with armortards>>516316429Don't ever stop posting that.
>>516317619Last image you got shows the hole made in his shirt collar from the exit wound. Makes no sense if it was an entry hole.
>>516317795ah then if it was blood coming from behind his ear, prior to the gushing from the front. The 30-06 hit his neck then went up and to the left exiting out his near his ear?>https://files.catbox.moe/lb5frj.mp4or was that the entry and the exit wound is his neck?
>>516317619This is not as plausible to me
>>516317795Inductive NeckloopNo earpiece.Small device rigged with a form of engineered high pressure, explosively high pressure, jet injectorhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169409X21005020
>>516316491
>>516317928cool so a lot of energy. Where did it go? Not passing through his neck obviously. Nor did it make his neck explode, and it didn't blowout the other side of his neck. So a 30-06 didn't hit him from a less than 10º in his neck.
>>516317481Let's look at the bullet speed from the perspective of a camera frames per second.From 150 meter, a .30-06 is moving:>2500fps / 1000 millisecond>2.5 feet per ms>30 FPS video = 33.33 ms per frame>2.5fps * 33.33ms =25 meter per frame or 83.3 feet per frame.I am glad you brought this topic up, as it should reframe what we're able to see (or rather the limitations of what we see) of the videos we have.
>>516317986now follow the blood falling in this frame by frame
>>516317525>is it enough of a difference to be a difference?>you be the judgeRIP a true historic GOAT
>>516318087Ok, and?
>>516317619Nigger I've already explained over the past 5 days how his shirt movement is from the necklace being disrupted by the projectile energy.Spend, oh for you, a half hour watching my slowmo videos ITT and figure it out.Fagggggooooottttttt
>>516318148bloody. giant hole. blood on the other side of the hit. HOW FUCKING THICK/STRONG DO YOU THINK HUMAN NECKS ARE?
>>516318213so there is no exit hole because of a necklace getting jolted? The 30-06 hit his neck nearly straight on at a less than 10º angle and did not pass through and somehow curved immediately without transferring enough energy to blow it the fuck up?
>>516318118I agree with you anon. That shit isn't a .30-06.
>>516318148well, the neck doesn't explode but doesn't the exit wound look way worse on the deer vs ck?
>>516316140> shoots 15lbs piece of free standing dead meat at 10 yards> compares ballistics to 170lbs live target at 200 yardsTheres no competing with your intellect. You’ve bested us all
>>516318217he was training neck 7 days a week anon
>>516317998No, it went in from the right and down to the left. The "earpiece wire" would have been some burnt skin and blood from the entry wound.
>>516316140Full Metal Jacket
>>516318217If the bullet hit his spine, which it likely did, it doesn’t take much to curve a bullet’s trajectory. I’d wager the bullet was still in his body after fragmenting upon hitting his spine. The autopsy will be released at some point, so really no reason to argue. I think baseless conspiracy theories are a waste of time thoughbeit. Occam’s Razor and all.
>>516318311We dont know if there is no exit wound, or what the specific bullet type was, or what the autopsy exam result shows.What I'm asking is stop making your own conclusions without evidence.Because bullet behavior is "unpredictable" and relies on exact situation, exact bullet, etc it's entirely possible the bullet fragmented on contact with his spine and made NO exit. At the same time, it's possible an FMJ was used and it passed through (almost completely undeflected) his neck with minimal exit wounding.We just don't know.
>>516317905>We need the autopsy, expect it in 3 - 5 weeks from Utah's AG officeThey put out a detailed report on that train crash in portugal within 3 days
>>516318477so he wasn't shot from the veteran's roof?>the official narrative is thusly wrong.
>>516316900>bulletThanks for clearing that up anon. I just thought they had palmed the bullet.
>>516318148https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/assassination/jfk-assassination-remastered/2812768765001I love that we got footage of a .30-06 hitting a human skull from about the same distance as a comparison as well.
>>516316673What's the weird thing on his shirt about?
>>516318217do we have any pictures or videos of the back of Kirk's head and neck?
>>516318500is this what you think happened with a 30-06 and it didn't make his fucking neck explode? how slow do you think a 30-06 is going?
>>516316673It's amazing to me how most of the actual source videos being posted now are the videos I made last Wednesday night/Thursday morning. And everything else posted has no connection to the only video evidence we have.I'm just one fucking guy, and making videos to post is piss easy. How many of you don't even have an actual computer to use? The fuck is going on.
>>516317371In fairness, hydrostatic shock could easily cause that in a frontal hit
>>516318677Nope. Zero. And my bet is we won't see any videos from behind even in the court case.
>>516318511>it's entirely possible the bullet fragmented on contact with his spine and made NO exithow did it hit his spine by going straight into the side of his neck? You know you can use eyes and mental power to know what CAN AND CANT HAPPEN
>>516317069That's the murder weapon
>>516318757How many times do I need to say this? 1. We dont have accurate info2. Bullet DO WEIRD SHIT YOU CAN'T PREDICT USING SIMPLE ASSUMPTIONS
>>516316140.On the video is a single block of meat, an actual person has a head on top, and torso on the bottom connected to it, so there is some tensile strength etc.they apparently recovered the bullet a few day ago but they knew immediately that is was 30-06 that doesn't add upjews killed charlie kirk
>>516318555JFK was not shot with a 30-06>>516318695It’s entirely possible. Bullets are unpredictable upon entering a human body, especially after hitting bone. But as I said, I don’t know, and neither do you. So until the autopsy is released, we could argue all day and it wouldn’t change a thing.
>>516318862
>>516318738no blood in this image of his back from this vidhttps://files.catbox.moe/lb5frj.mp4Nothing in the clean up video either of any splatter on the white tent...meaning the bullet did not go through, which means Charlie's neck is ACTUALLY A STEEL PLATE or the official narrative is wrong
>>516318695read >>516317475and see pic.The neck expands as the bullet enters, but like anon said it's very soft and elastic tissue so it does not explode into pieces.
>>516318862It's a pretty distinctive bullet.It's also the primarily bullet used by the US Army in WW2, so unless every German shot exploded, all those videos of ballistics gel and hunks of meat are irrelevant.
>>516316429wtf is that delusional angle of deflection?
>>516318117Why is everyone repeating 'bullet'? There's not even evidence of that. Should be saying 'projectile'
>>516316140Can we not compile all the footage angles and use AI to make a 3D model
>>516316291Also, he was 6'5" and whatever weight, so imagine if that chunk of ham was connected to a body, it wouldn't fly away like that.
>>516316140it ricocheted off his body armor
>>516318822IF BULLET DOES NOT GO THROUGH. THEN IT TRANSFERS ENERGY. THE ENERGY OF A 30-06 STOPPING OR SLOWING DOWN AND TURNING IN A NECK WOULD BLOW IT THE FUCK UP>bullets do funny things, yes. But defy physics isn't one of them>there are literally two options and neither happened which means IT DIDNT HAPPEN HOW THEY SAID
>>516317147Yes
>>516316566how come that deer didn't explode?
>>516318926That's a great point to make.Everyone in this thread, do a little test. Grab a large part of your neck slin, and pull it, hard.How much does it stretch? How much does it hurt to use the strength to stretch it as much as you can?Real bodies are not chuncks of meat, blocks of gel, and we aren't deer.>>516318960Should be saying>Ausfailian>>516319020What the fuck are you talking about retard.
>>516316429lol
>>516319062it's mossad deer
>>516319090>slinSkin but you knew that...I'm only 7 beers deep tonight. So far.
anyone using the term "armor tards" are stone cold morons, completely disregard anything they say. They are probably discord troons
>>516317371You don't bleed out the entrance wound before the exit wound. Ffs get out of the city and go shoot a deer or something. And still no exit wound before the shirt flies up, which the edit also hides. Weird how that edit cuts all the stuff that blatantly shows he couldn't have been shot from behind.>who you gonna trust? Some anon, or your own lying eyes?
>>516316647ear peace.
>>516319020why do you think the bullet did not go through? It's pretty safe to assume it did.
>>516319020BULLETS DO WEIRD SHIT YOU CAN'T PREDICT BY USING BASIC ASSUMPTIONS.HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOOTING, BUT IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW BULLETS ARE NOT EASY TO UNDERSTAND:https://youtu.be/lUySgBkNnKM
>>516318896the angle to hit bone from this location is not possible from the Veterans roof. >thusly the Official Narrative is not trueCan you draw a line showing your work and theory then?I didn't think there was bone on the left side of your FUCKING NECK
>>516316140the bullet dropsit hits the roast and the drop presses the meat against the table. the explosion of meat comes from thatcharlie didn't have a solid table holding up his neck. bullet drop wouldn't matter
>>516316278the hole where the gusher appeared is an exit wound
>>516318896It's to make a point. Larger and heavier bullet was reported to be used here. Makes ya think.
>>516319240I am assuming the official narrative is false. -a 30-06 from the veterans roof couldn't possible be stopped or altered by charlies carotid artery without the force exploding the backside of the hit point. >how weak do you think 30-06 is?
>>516319192>You don't bleed out the entrance wound before the exit woundDepends...Blood vessels are mostly at the front of the neck, while the back of the neck has muscle and bone. And the way his head and body tilts means the entry hole is pointing towards the ground, so it's natural that blood pours out the entry wound
Oh no trannybros not like thishttps://i.4cdn.org/pol/1758104343971362.jpg
>>516319258See >>516319192He's hunched, that's entirely feasible.
>>516319192>You don't bleed out the entrance wound before the exit wound.I didn't say that's what happened. Why are you lying? I said blood is visible on his right neck where the entrance wound is, and provided proof, which is visible about one to two seconds AFTER the fountain started from the front wound. You're really dishonest and an obvious shill.
>>516316140it DID go through Charlie's neckthat's how it makes the hole in his shirtit's unlikely it was 30-06, thoughthat's what the faggot patsy had, but he just shot blanks, prepared by the glowing ciatroonsthe real (mossad) shot went from behind
>>516319020He was shot at a downward trajectory and the bullet likely shattered and deflected off the spine downward into the chest cavity where most of the energy is dissipated throughout the entire core also explaining the huge expansion of his neck, his arms being thrown upward and abnormally large discharge of blood from the entrance wound originating from the chest. The obvious answer is obvious he got shot by the guy on the roof 200 yards away that people saw and filmed on video. Not sure if everyone's trolling or people are just this retarded anymore.
>>516316429the armour hypothesis is also plausible is one is to ask (like OP) "why the bullet didn't go through his neck".and nice shitty picture of the angle of the bullet that bounced of the armor
>>516316647That's me, you might wonder how I ended up here
>>516319431>so it's natural that blood pours out the entry woundArteryPressureThats all you need to say
Instead of trying to fit the recorded footage into the framing of the fired round being a 30-06, why not try figuring out what bullet would be necessary for this sort of wound?Everyone knows that if you've got time to bail, you're not bailing your tools too.The weapon that was found may not match the bullet they dig out of his neck.
>>516318738The video from somewhat behind seems to show it begin penetration in the back of the neck. The entry bulge forms and then all the cavitation stuff happens. I just don't see any way it is a front shot especially from a rifle, at the same time all the back angles are all out in the open and you can't see anything on video other than the blip that could be the bullet maybe but there is weirdness around that too.
Posting it AGAIN self-award.>a demoralized person cannot tell true facts from fiction>I could shower you with information, documents, pictures, proof>and you the demoralized person would not be able to understand reality from fictionRead plato and aristotle, then read modern language logics, and understand how to SEE evidence instead of how to INTERPRET evidence.
>>516319498>and nice shitty picture of the angle of the bullet that bounced of the armorYou faggots could make a better one but for some reason you haven't. Perhaps because the armor ricochet theory is laughable bullshit.
>>516319443please draw the bullet path that has an entrance mid left neck that connects to a bone. Please show the class your work
>>516317619Now push your left jugular retard. Yeah, your chin fucked and you flinched back. Look at how deformed the word freedom on his shirt gets as the bullet ? Enters the behind his ear??? Wait, that doesn't make sense. Look alot more like getting shot from a low angle in the front with the shirt getting pulled by the bullet as it travels up his neck. Someone firing from low and to Charlie's left up at him best explains what we see in the video or at least it makes a hell of a lot more sense than the bullet came from behind, disrupted clothing without making Charlie twitch, left his neck and hit his shirt without leaving an visible exit wound in his neck and finally produced zero blood from that exit wound for longer than my hunting experience has led me to expect. The official narrative is obviously bs, angle doesn't work for roof top shooter. But your version is just as dumb as it defies even more laws of mathematics and physics.
>>516316520His neck inflated like a balloon and ruptured everything in his head. You kikes are retarded.
>>516316349>>516316758>>516316954found the mossad goons
>>516319641>Someone firing from low and to Charlie's left up at him best explains what we see in the video or at least it makes a hell of a lot more sense It doesn't make any sense because he would have been visible by tons of people. You're an imbecile.
>>516316140The bullet used was old and modified
the whole thing is suspicious. feds are not good at these lies.like how people say JFK was shot by 1 person and when you look at his motorcade it makes no sense.
>>516319640
>>516318500>The autopsy will be released at some pointby mossad?
>>516319493>downward angle...deflecting off the spine. >that would require the shooter to be much farther to the shooters right>ie. not the veterans buildingplease draw how you think a 30-06 hit the spine from the shooters supposed location
>>516316278>>516316140the bullet ricocheted off his front plate into his neck. the reason there's no giant exit wound out back is because the bullet was already tumbling (loses 90% of its penetrative power) and already lost some speed from hitting the plate, it just went into his neck up into his brain. it's also why he froze up instantly. a neck shot through the back should cause him to bleed but not instantly limp.
>>516319877durr
>>516316429Keep fighting the good fight anon. Shills burying yesterday's thread
>>516319888>a neck shot through the back should cause him to bleed but not instantly limp.What is blood pressure?
>>516316830a soft hunting bullet doesnt fragment as easily.
>>516319755I can't even rack my carcano three times that fast. let alone fire and recenter.
>>516319453>>You don't bleed out the entrance wound before the exit wound.>I didn't say that's what happenedWow pilpul is strong with this faggot. You claim the entry wound is on the right side. You claim the spots on the shirt on the right side are blood from the entry wound, he has not bleed out of the left side before the spot appear on the right.Since I'm NOT an ESL I can understand from context that you claim he bled out of the entry wound before the exit wound.Now change is because you lost all credibility with this one.
>>516319985they didn't have special coatings for bolts back then either. it was bare steel and oil.
>>516319755>like how people say JFK was shot by 1 person and when you look at his motorcade it makes no sense.That's because he got shot post humorously by an accidental discharge by his Secret Service agent.
>>516319970usually those stay solid, but change shape to mushroom or something
>>516319020The bullet does go through. Unless Kirk has a 24" neck.
I'M SURROUNDED BOYS! NEED BACK-UP STAT
>>516320138a 17" neck has a diameter of 13.45cm. A Mauser bullet would pass through.
>>516316560you need a 1 inch+ thick steel armor to deflect or fragment a 30-06 or else it just goes straight through. No, there's no such thing as magic titanium armor that goes under a shirt that you can't buy anywhere. If he were wearing armor under a cotton t-shirt you would have a huge hole, especially if it fragments. the "hole" near the left of his collar where everyone was talking about is blood, and i'm not talking about the mic on his right. video below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSd1mmhXJDc
>>516320138>>516320223That's because you're assuming it's going straight through the neck, guy was hunched and shot from above.
>>516316734No, he received a basically over 3000 joule karate chop from a .30-06.
>>516316355>This shot is from much closer than "200 yards", which means the kinetic energy is much higher.The official story says that the shooter was on the roof of the Losee Center, and that it was 200 yards away. But in fact, the actual distance was closer to 125-135 yards.The shooter used a Mauser 98 rifle chambered for 30-06. How much velocity it lost at 125 yards is going to depend on the BC of the round the shooter was using. A 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip has a muzzle velocity of 2910 fps, which will drop to about 2645 fps at 125 yards. So the difference in kinetic energy will be quite small.
>>516320255>steelYeah steel isn't used for plates anymore.
>>516318954that's the joke, idiot
>>516320387>But in fact, the actual distance was closer to 125-135 yards.That's the edge of the base of the building. The highest roof is considerably set back from the base.
>>516319090>Real bodies are not chuncks of meat, blocks of gel, and we aren't deer.ARE HUMAN NECK SMALLER OR LARGER THAN DEER?>What the fuck are you talking about retard.I'm saying a 30-06 did not shoot CK from the from, hit the neck, then not leave a gaping fucking wound. Can you draw or imagine a straight line on this image>>516319899 that would hit spine and shooters location? NO? BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. >fragmented>hollowpoint>softpoint>boattailALL WOULD MAKE THE FUCKING NECK EXPLODE.>fmj>ap>api>ithat shit is going through the neck and making a hole in the tent and hitting the cars behind him.I'm trying to also show how dense and fucking retarded these shills are to newfags browsing...thanks for the help
>>516319713>It doesn't make any sense because he would have been visible by tons of people... Anon... You are not very familiar with firearms are you? I can put together a spring fire 9mm no bigger than a sharpie marker, I can hide a shotgun in a wheelchair and watch guns are an actual thing. All of those are just what's available to every body. Add governments funds to the mix and you begin to see how lame of an objection what you just said is.
>>516319062It's a rare non-exploding deer genus, odocoileus inertus
>>516320032>You claim the entry wound is on the right side. Correct. >You claim the spots on the shirt on the right side are blood from the entry woundI said no such thing. I didn't even mention his shirt. The fuck are you talking about, you hallucinating nigger?>Since I'm NOT an ESL Kill yourself considering you're making up shit I never said, faggot.
>>516320307THE SHOOTER WAS FLYING GUYS!! THIS GUY SAID SO>green is path to bone>red is highest angle to hit from under tent WITHOUT LEAVING A HOLE IN IT
30-06 is a world war 1 caliber designed to kill, not injure like 5.56.this is a deer who was shot with it. gory. i was going to post a human but i'll save you the squirming.charlie's assassination makes no sense.
>>516319899The rooftop the shooter was on top of was on the right side of this illustration not the left, look at the map. The trajectory of the bullet would have it traveling down and to the left. This isn't rocket science.
>>516320469yes it is fuckstick. less than 5 seconds on google and you would've found 800 results for steel armor plates for sale godamn idiot.
Armortards are just troll bait straight from israel at this point. >implying 30-06 won't explode thin soft tissue like a neck
>>516320545>... Anon... You are not very familiar with firearms are you? I'm aware that whatever contraption you're fantasizing about would have had to be located on the grass in front of Kirk and hundreds of eyewitnesses who would have easily spotted it. That you're pretending otherwise is insulting.
>>516316140Has FBI recovered the bullet yet? That would clear up all of these questions about trajectory.
At any rate, someone needs to get onto the roof of the Losee Center and see if there is a clear line of sight to that section of the Utah Valley University where Kirk was shot. That would help determine whether the official story is viable.
>>516320609>green is path to boneNo it's not, that's at most center of his shoulder blade. The bone extends to about the height of your clavicle.
>>516320762if you get on that rooftop, you're getting arrested for trespass at the very least. it's too sensitive right now.
>>51631614030-06 is used to hunt deer. Surely it would do more damage to his neck than what we saw.
>>516320717Yeah because it's cheap. Do you think he jewed out on a bullet proof vest when a polymer one was available and is lighter and provides better protection?
>>516316673Lol. AI bullshit. Ring moves down a finger after getting shot
>>516319062Because the bullet kept going THROUGH IT LEAVING BEHIND A TRAIL OF BLOOD AND MATTER THAT THE BULLET CARRIED WITH IT. >if that was Charlie, there would be a lot of blood on the back of the tent and a gaping exit wound on his neck. You would see the blood coming from behind him, near where he was hit. Not from behind his right ear. IF THE BULLET STOPPED IT WOULD'VE TRANSFERRED AND TRAPPED THAT ENERGY IN TO A WATERMELON TYPE EXPLOSION OF HIS NECK>fragmented with no petals flying out his neck>turned into his spine with exploding the backside of where it lodged into his spine after stopping within 3 inchesIN OTHER WORDS, HE WAS NOT HIT STRAIGHT ON AT A LESS THAN 10º ANGLE WITH A 30-06.
Armored plates are specifically designed to not deflect bullet fragments up into your neck. They are wrapped in a spall liner and they are shaped in such a way to not allow a round to deflect up and back like that. Also the human neck is a fairly small part of the body, and there really isn't a lot of time for all that energy to be dumped into the body, and if the shooter were using FMJ that would zip right through a person especially at the range fired.
>>516320898Yeah, it's kinda hilarious to argue that a guy who turned down 150 million dollars bought a bulk steel plate to wear under a tshirt.
>>516320307Even if it's at an angle, the distance through the neck would have to be >18cm before you start seeing explosive exit wounds, which is unlikely as even being generous the flat diameter of his neck is 13.odd centimeters.
>>516320578Excuse me, you said neck, not shirt.>The video shows blood on Kirk's right neck But again, your pilpul is pointless since your still saying he bled out the entry wound before the exit wound and your attempts at distracting from that retarded claim don't work.
>>516320610>not injure like 5.56.5.56 has an 80% one hit mortality if it hits in the are normally covered by a SAPI plate, WITH medevac, no uppercase nigger dumbfuck-kun.
>>516320924There still is no good answer to this. That's why I'm around 12-13% faked and 87-88% 4:00 shooter.
>>516318905free kosovo, palestine is serbia
>>516319453Holy shit there’s no blood on his right side in that video that is literally the edge of his haircut. Shut the fuck up damn
>>516320897Nah it’s probably about right depending on ammo for rifle damage. Causes massive damage behind the hole
>>516321051>But again, your pilpul is pointless since your still saying he bled out the entry wound before the exit wound No, I'm not. As I stated, the blood on his right neck is only visible 1-2 seconds AFTER the front wound gushes. You're a perpetual liar or an imbecile and I don't care which. Go to hell.
>>516321107>SHUT UPNo, faggot, I never will. Kill yourself.
>>516320716you're right. so the energy of a 30-06 hit the spine and the spine absorbed all the energy. no exit wound, no explosion of skin, no force transferred to the other side of the spine it hit?Just a reallly weak 30-06...just barely pierced the skin?
>guys come on now, it is the magic bullet you guys.>it was a lone gunman you guys.>he was a tranny faggot you guys.>libs are bad guys amirite?fucking pathetic shit.if the bullet struck the vest and ricocheted, we would see a rupture on the shirt. some piece or pieces of cloth. but no. the shirt is intact.the ricocheted bullet theory is for morons.this was a fucking operation. and the guy they have in hand is a patsy. Kirk declined 150 million dollars to be israels bitch. and got turned into an example.that is it.anybody that argues against this is either a pathetic moron or an operator.mark these words.
>>516320924>>516321071faggots
>>516316830It doesn't, it basically explodes like a frag grenade when it hits the steel plate of the armour, it's called spalling. It's extremely common for these to then ride upwards and hit you in the neck and kill you. Lots of design and research goes into preventing spalling for this reason. Maybe he had cheap armour or just got extremely unlucky, but the video does look this this happened. Though I'm yet seen any proof he was wearing steel plates and it's not clear from the short clips going around if he was.
>>516321058>no gun countryyour opinion doesn't matter.
>>516318941the fact is that your fbi is jewcucked and could not be trusted, i mean just look at the official story for 9/11 lul
>>516321307Your video doesn't explain how it passes from one finger to another in an instant, retard. He wasn't playing with it when he got shot. You've been posting well otherwise so don't get lazy.
>>516320528>That's the edge of the base of the building. The highest roof is considerably set back from the base.Yeah, I took that into account when I made my distance measurement. I knew the shooter was on the highest roof.The distance comes out to about 135 yards. See for yourself.
>>516316140If the autopsy can be trusted, explaining entry and exit wound, all this speculation will be out the window.
>>516316673What is this though? a bullet from the patsy on the roof? camera mounted behind him did it.
>>516321058have you ever held or worn ANY kind plate?
>>516320729At best that's a 35 degree angle. Literally anyone within the front row had an easy angle. As too "contraptions" I'm gonna guess you're either on the coast or an immigrant because you seem to underestimate our inventiveness with firearms. The stuff I was mentioning was well known cold war stuff. Why you trying to play it off like I'm talking about some scifi high tech gear, we aren't even at bond level gadgets. Just a pen gun and a clear shot under 15 feet. Noise isn't even an issue in that kind of setting. People don't identify gunfire as quickly you think they do and sub sonics and small calibers don't attract a lot of attention. I've used subsonics indoors shooting at phone books with no one else in the house the wiser. A hand load 9mm set to travel at under 500ft/sec will do the job just fin at under twenty feet against no armor.
>>516321385Because it's not a ring, it's a u shape, the back of the ring has been removed for ease of fidgeting, you can clearly see that.
>>516321442>As too "contraptions" I'm gonna guess you're either on the coast or an immigrant because you seem to underestimate our inventiveness with firearms. If it's not a standard firearm it's a contraption. Stop pretending there was a Glock 18X remote concealable single shot apparatus sitting in the grass in front of hundreds of people and nobody noticed it, much less didn't record it.
>>516321265it's amazing... these shills are even trying to discredit physics to get you to not think of a classic jew assassination>gotta lead them to water>step 1: the glowies are probably lying about the Official Narrative
>>516321452U shape would have to entirely flip 180 to simply change fingers as instantaneously as it does in the video, and it doesn't. The way it continues to cover the underside of the finger also contradicts your theory.
>>516321318>get shown wrong >immediately shits pants
>>516320716That isn't 200 yards it closer to 130, which is a sognificantly less distanceWhy do people continue to state 200You can go on maps,google.com, go over to orem utah, find the area of the UVU campus, and fucking measure it yourself.Even if Tyler shot from the farther point of that building it could only have been 165 yards.
>>516321385a hard twist and reflex of your fingers going to insta rigamortis would dislodge the ring from it's clasp side and potentially rotate to the other finger as the clasp is still on the under side. >sorry the ring thing was really big on the first couple days of people saying it was AI. >it dislodged and the other finger caught it
>>516321197Just to be sure I checked you posts cause maybe I'm wrong. (You know we can just clock you I'd to quickly single out every post under your is right?)Nope, you only claimed it was after the front wound gushes when I call you on your bs as people can see in the original post. And the video doesn't support your new lie as there absolutely is blood on Charlie's right (which would be the exit wound) before the gush. So regardless of how you want to try and pilpul this your best bet is new id.
>>516321729i showed you a chest seal you retard. while it allows the diaphragm to maintain pressure while one lung is flooding with blood and you still breath with the other one.
>>516320820Well, maybe a drone could do the job. Get it to hover a couple feet above the roof and see if there is a clear line of sight.
>>516316140> Please explain how a 30-06 not go straight through his neck..I don't know. Did the shooter use a 180 grain round? 165 grain? 150? Was it a soft tip bullet? A FMJ? A partition A-frame? Jacketed hollow point? What did the shooter load the gun with?You gave us the bullet caliber, but did not give us the bullet weight or construction to make any kind of educated guess on what would happen when said projectile struck a living target.OP is a fag.
>>516321603and they are regurgitating the talking points of political parties and talk show celebrities thinking they have it all sorted.the who and the how is just the circus and the bread. and they are trying to turn this into a left-right thing.Kirk was popular enough to run for president if he had the age requirement for it. he was in charge of the biggest political force in all of america. nothing came close.and he was talking shit about israel. that cannot do.he could have been poisoned, but no. they aced him in broad daylight and turned him into an example.just for election tourist newfags to come here and repeat party and celebrity lines verbatim.this board is fucking done.
>>516321776>dislodge the ring from it's clasp side and potentially rotate to the other finger as the clasp is still on the under side. That's not what I see happening in the video and I seriously doubt it's what you see. In fact, what you explain seems so unlikely as to be absurd. Can you see what I mean? I'm not saying I have a better explanation than edited video/AI.
>>516321265>the bullet struck the vest and ricocheted, we would see a rupture on the shirt. some piece or pieces of cloth. but no. the shirt is intact.>the ricocheted bullet theory is for morons.You do see what appears to be a tear in the shirt before the entry wound in the neck and there are tons of videos on YouTube of dummy wearing shirts getting shot. It doesn't result in the mass tearing of clothing your describe Usually just a small tear or hole. Maybe a burnt mark around it. Completely in line with the videos. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not as easily discounted as you try and claim.
>>516321878Who cares, retard, 5.56 still isn't "designed to injure", you moron. And you still type like a nigger. Learn to start sentences with uppercase, you mutt.
>>516321893>fbi told us the round size>charlies neck can withstand 2500ft lbs of energy>hollowpoint is least likely to go straight throughtwo lies and truth... guess
>>516321813>Just to be sure I checked you posts cause maybe I'm wrong. (You know we can just clock you I'd to quickly single out every post under your is right?)Did you really type out all this broken English after accusing me of being ESL, you obviously ESL faggot? Go project on someone else.
>>516316140Good morning Nogunz how are you today
>>516322046no. you will read what i type and you will like it.
>>516321974fair point and argument. Next time you see a pen cap like this one, put it inbetween two fingers. Then squeeze and pull one finger back slightly. It will most likely rotate 180º. Do you kinda get what I'm saying?
>>516322011dude you have cameras right behind Kirk.right there. you can see it on every video.those cameras were removed as soon as possible and the footage they recorded are things you will never see.if you really think they are sharing everything they have in hand and are truthful you are not getting it.this conversation about the details is the bread and the circus.>again.Kirk declined 150 million dollars from israel to be their bitch.that is the only evidence you need.the rest is endless pointless discourse to keep people busy until they get bored or jump on the next agenda.
>>516322066Nobody uses hollow point rifle rounds.
>>516321932I came out of retirement for this shit. to try and see if the gang would get back together, but it seems we are standing in an ocean of brown now.
>>516316140>30-06No. It was a typical .223 (5.560 that glanced off the edge of his body armour.
>>516321442>Just a pen gun and a clear shot under 15 feet. Or a phone gun.
>>516322153post groupings faggot
>>516316140>burger educationyes
Me->>516321442>Why you trying to play it off like I'm talking about some scifi high tech gearYou->>516321592>Stop pretending there was a Glock 18X remote concealable single shot apparatusI have never been so vindicated in my accusations so quickly in my entire life anon. Thank you. I needed that win to call it a night.Btw, fun one to put the Jews in a scramble.Why did the head Jew right Charlie kirk's family a condolences letter 9 days before he got shot?Check picrels date.https://www.jfeed.com/news-world/chief-rabbi-condolence-kirk-family
>>516316429Thanks
Case in point.
>>516320924It doesn't move finger it falls off, he was probably playing with it like the other anon posted and so it was loose.Still no answer to:>>516321419
>>516322298no shit. by using the low end of penetration rifle rounds, it shows that even then charlies neck would not retain any semblance of shape while having no exit wound or splatter on the back side.
>>516316365>kike flag>pushing the deboonked body armor theorykirk was shot from behind
>>516322097Oh shit, really struck a nerve with that ESL shit huh. Only catch flak when over target. So what are you? Bet you're a jeet. Anyway, don't tell me, I don't care it's awesome being white and exposing jeets.
>>516322301my man this board is calling epstein a CHAD now.they are calling you a libtard tranny faggot for calling out Pam Bondi for being previously employed by Pfizer right now.we are fucking done.this board is fucking dead.
>>516316140it bounced off a chest plate Kirk was wearing. that's why the shirt moved so much.
>>516317998PROVE ME WRONG
>>516322362what are you positing? >do you think a 30-06 struck charlie in the carotid artery from a slight elevation?
>>516322222Checked, and I do get what you're saying, but it's not what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is a ring literally phase through one finger to another, with no indication of it changing its shape or configuration. Like literal fucking fifth dimension travel. Since that seems more than a bit unlikely, and we live in the age of AI, that legitimately seems like the more sensible answer. Now, can I explain how they edited the video that spread virally moments after it happened without the entire event being a Sandy Hook-level staged event? No. It's honestly the biggest mystery to me. The position of the shooter is not that hard to discern, but that fucking ring is...very troubling.
>>516316278because the shirt moved so muchchest plate. spalling into the neck
>>516322241I know the Jews did it. I already posted the smoking gun with chief Yosef jumping the gun on dating the condolence letter. Talking about how is the only thing keeping it relevant. Otherwise it's three posts. Who did it? The Jews. No shit? Not surprised. Thread/
>>516322193Okay, fudd, keep talking on how 5.56 is "designed to wound". Maybe tell stories about how GI's would drop M16's in Vietnam for AK's. Or how it's just a .22 fired from a Mattel rifle. Go on.
>>516322488checked.The amount of people that can't even into basic logic is astounding. The vaxx did a fucking number on these npcs. >not one utah anon volunteered to go get fucking photos>not one >it used to be sacrosanct to not document a happening near you
>>516321442>Just a pen gun and a clear shot under 15 feet. Check this video. Notice anything in the background?
>>516321764>It only 130 yards awayPlease learn Geometry. Is the length of the Hypotenuse greater than or equal to the length of the adjacent?
>>516322364>I have never been so vindicated in my accusations so quickly in my entire life anon. Once again, you misread what I said and pretend I said something else, and you act like a grandstanding hyperdramatuc faggot while you're doing it. You're contributing nothing to this discussion but noise and chest beating. Fuck off.
the specific projectile type matters more than caliber. different projectiles are designed to do wildly different things. that's why so many exist. if he was using standard fmj, or even some soft point hunting loads, they simply didn't have enough time to tumble, fragment, or expand. this is why gollow point varmint rounds are light and fast, they open immediately on impact to do damage. on the other hand, some rounds are meant for penetration. for example, .300 blackout 150gr fmj is often used as range ammo because it's just a medium weight lower speed bullet, that excels at nothing and can often just pass through targets with no real impressive damage.
>>516322527Most if not all phone cameras have AI upscaling before it's even uploaded. phasing is a common problem we've been running into with these recent happenings. You probably are correct in that it was AI, just not purposeful or malicious.
>>516322645556 deflects off tree branches the viet cong would hide in. also the m16 was designed for long 20 inch barrels to reach the range and velocity that ar stoner intended.
>>516316140Does Charlie Kirk weigh 1 kg?
>>516322732Ok, NGL, that's is some really fucking coincidental timing. Enough so that I understand why you think it came from that direction but the physics literally just don't work. There are too many effects before you have the cause of the bullet comes from Charlie's right. Still, fuck me, that does look like a small pipe gun of some kind and the "recoil" times up perfectly. I still don't agree, but I absolutely understand your position and don't fault you for it. If it turns out Occam's is wrong and he wasn't shot from the front you just gave me my next theory.
>>516322836yes. I am currently trying to lead a camel through the eye of the needle with the board right now. I figure a simple starting point would be>a 30-06 did not kill Charlie Kirkwhat did, how they did it, where it came from all can come later once the bulk of the board realizes that what they say happened is not really possible without magic
>>516322948can charlie's neck stop a fucking 30-06 without literally exploding?
>>516323037I'm still maintaining 45ACP suppressed and subsonic from an SMG at 4:00, wound up in the dirt.
>>516319888He’s not wearing plate you disingenuous faggot show your flag. Who pays you to poison the well?
>>516322722You can "basic logic" all you want, but if you proceed from a false notion, and also IGNORE the actual evidence AND the actual science on rifle round damage, then keep babbling about shit, you're still wrong.
>>516322823>You're contributing nothing to this discussion but noise and chest beating. Fuck off.I've literally contributed the high resolution videos in this thread and more videos from more angles than anyone else.Bro, this isn't irl. The words and pictures don't just go away, unable to be verified after you speak them. There is a whole record being kept we all can.
>>516323158.300blk subs 4in barrel, suppressed, bolty from stair area
>>516323158but who would have shot him? they had to have been fairly close, and people still would have seen and heard it.
>>516323201you can start by using the round we were told that he used.
>>516321419Just keep on ignoring the elephant in the room, mystery object isn't important I guess.
>>516323158This is the correct answer, big fat slow round at close range. Bullet trajectory came from downward angle so probably front row or two of the crowd. Couldn't have been the roof.
