Does anyone still believe in the libertarianism meme?
I believe that libertarian polices are best for a prosperous and moral society.
>>516547539I agree that the state should stay out of people's personal lives as much as possible, but organized governmental force is still required to protect the populace. We need both freedom and safety.
>>516547686Libertarianism advocates for a limited governmental role. Mainly in defence (army), resolving disputes among citizens (courts), and maintaining order (police).
>>516547539Your gaberment keeps you cucks on a short leash just fine but couldn't even fight off the emus. When I say "collapse" it will collapse.
>>516547909We can't have a limited government when 13% of the population are violent savages.
>>516547539I'm at a point where I just don't want a government any more. Not a left one, not a right one, just none. The whole concept of governance is bad. The "elites" just abuse, manipulate, poison and actually kill the people. For them we are peasants, commoners, "low born", like cattle. I have enough of that. Freedom for the people.
>>516548116We can't have no government when 13% of the population are violent savages.
>>516548205Well, in that case 87% are ok. They can control the 13%.
>>516548034>>516548205Once again, no one is saying there should be no government (just minimal), and in theory, police should still be doing their job (combating violence of the 13% or whatever else pops up).
>>516547539I'd like to fuck some librarians.
>>516548312>Once again, no one is saying there should be no governmentI did.
>>516548312>>516548433lollmao
>>516548433You are not a libertarian, then my friend. You are an anarchist.
>>516547539I think, as right-libertarian, i will never achieve freedom as long someone wants to take it away from me. Which is why leftists should fuck off more than anyone else nowdays.They deserved this police state they created to backfire against them.
>>516548524I see you point of critic here, but anarchism, as a political theory, rejects all kinds of hrarachy. They say "no state, no god, no slave, no master". I'm not against hirarchy, and I'm religious. Society can be structured, communities can have hirarchies, without having a central government.
>>516548205Fending off random marauders is not an issue whatsoever. In fact it's the gaberments which are defending the criminal "immigrants" or other lowlifes from the people.It's the organized crime (aka "gaberment") that's been the problem historically. About to be solved forever soon.
I don't like them, the rule is always let libertarians do their thing away from us and everyone is happy. All though apparently according to the experimentation garbage ends up accumulating and they can get mauled by bears! lol
>>516548712>They say "no state, no god, no slave, no master"Those are the ancoms, as always trying their best to gatekeep everything for themselves. But anarchism revolves more around the need to destroy centralized power.
>>516548712Valid point. Reducing the power of Washington, D.C. and returning more power to the states on the principle of subsidiarity would be a viable start for the US. For the past century or so, the trend has been quite the opposite of course.
>>516548919I was reading about the theoretical differences between libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism. Maybe I'm an anarcho-capitalist...I have to look into this more.
>>516549061maybe you’re a fucking loser who lives in his mom’s basement
>>516549061personally i don't mind about being called anarchist or not, just that no power structure has the monopoly of violence, or at least have a reduced influence.
>>516549061>Maybe I'm an anarcho-capitalistThat's more like it.https://youtu.be/8NLzc9kobDk?si=VXFB1EvwJ8VTH4Ip&t=533
>>516548116Even a retard can look at this and see that a venn diagram would show all 4 of those can be simultaneously true.
>>516549061they're both meme ideologies, bro
>>516548273Can we? Because 3% of that are fucking insane monsters that ruin everything and it's not stopping.
>>516548524>>>516548712>>>516548433>You are not a libertarian, then my friend. You are an anarchist.You clearly understand neither. They hold a class every decade, I guess you missed it. See you in 2032.That's OK. Small-l libertarians are people who apply what they like. Do what you understand. But don't make pronouncements on what you don't.
>>516548034The problem is deeper. There is no "we". The government is trying to represent two rival tribes that want each other dead. This isn't going to work regardless of what the political system is.
>>516549472All ideologies are a meme. At the end, no one can do work for you, earn you money, hit a gym and force healthy food down your throat. An individual who is not capable of doing that and blames it on capitalists, fascists, communists, blacks, women, etc. is the biggest meme of all. At least if you are living in the West, where economic and freedom of expression still exist (rapidly deteriorating, but existent).Realising there is no one there to save you (in earthly, materialistic sense at least) but you is liberating.
>>516547539I do
It would be the optimum system in a theoretical homogeneous world so that immigration isn't a concern that needs policing. In reality, this isn't the case so it would never work
>>516547539I do, but I also admit that 95% of people desire oppression and that there is zero chance libertarianism works when the majority rejects it.
Let's say it this way:As long as the system doesn't reduce my freedom, I'm basically ok with it.The theory of capitalism is based on the free market, and that is a good principle of course. People can trade freely, no authority interferes. The problem with socialism is obvious: the authorities are in control of the market, and of everything and everyone, ant they're powerhungry psychopaths. What could possibly go wrong.What motivates a capitalist is a desire for money, not for power, so there's a better chance to have a free society when the structures are corporates and not state departments, be it left or right.I'm ok with people getting rich, as long as they don't try to take away my freedom.
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.“Because I was afraid.”“Afraid?”“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.
Absolutely no one is reading all that shit
>>516550777I did.
>>516548116>le rich people are evil>thats why we need a society without laws where only money mattersIs this the lolbert final form?
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>>516547539Nope>Use the government to crush the enemies of the countrySimple as
I know that California libertarians destroyed themselves by supporting mass immigration of poor brown people who naturally voted for the big-government socialist party that promised to take money from the libertarians to give to them.Libertarianism needs to be tempered by common sense or shit like this will keep happening.
>>516549061Old school lolbert here. I would advise against it. The AnCaps are our version of antifa. Schizo retards with no moral compass essentially banking on a utopian ideal of everyone being a good actor which is simply a false premise.>Sell the Mississippi!>Then how would we move freight down the river?>You pay a toll!>To thousands of people?>Yes!>What if they just don’t want barges on the river?>Then stay off their property!>If I buy the last herd of Purple Rhinos and decide to slaughter them for meat should I be able to?>Yes!>But then they go extinct>Then the market has made them obsolete!It gets super retarded super fast like that. The correct answer is Minarchism which is a more elastic ideology that still supports democracy and basic common goods. You can then have a sliding metric of how large the state needs to be to function based on conditions it puts you on a bit of a reactionary footing but is generally more efficient and you have to have basic structures at a minimum upkeep. Minimal state and minimal force is the goal. It will never be perfect because our society will never be perfect.>Hey guys some terrorists just blew up the World Trade Center should we go to war?>Everyone votes yes>Okay let’s expand the military>Hey Bin Laden is dead>Cool>Should we downsize the military?>Yes>Cool that will save us some taxes
>>516551096If true, that's not a condemnation of libertarianism but rather of socialism.
>>516550971The point is: there is a difference between rich people and politicians. Rich people just want to be rich, they don't want to rule the world.
I still believe in it on a local level. City governments tend to act like petty tyrants. State governments are also becoming more authoritarian as they devolve into one party dominance. Most people's complaints about government overreach stem from their interactions with state and local officials.The national libertarian movement is a joke, and nobody will ever take the movement seriously after lolbertarians bent over backwards for Trump because he let some drug-pusher out of prison.
>>516547539Mirei faggots did and now they are even deeper shit than they been with socialist "thieves"
>>516550777It's a pasta you dip. Sick trips doe. Checked
>>516552556That is an even bigger confirmation that no one is reading it!
>>516551532>lolbertarians bent over backwards for TrumpIn what way?They praised him for promising to do something that they wanted and then for fulfilling that promise, but that's hardly bending over backwards for him.
>>516550419"What motivates a capitalist is a desire for money, not for power"The USA is currently putting on display what happens when people who completed the money game start asking what next.General noises of agreement on many points but I found that an odd sentence in amongst it.In the pursuit of making more money they will bleed the system dry, targetting everyone beneath them and I find the concept of freedom an odd one.As a non-american I look in on that kind of rhetoric and get very puzzled by it. The UK far right are going on a lot about freedom at the moment but it most seems to be about the freedom to have trannies on twitter.
>>516553023*hatethat is a comically fitting typo though
>>516547539In its proper definition yes, but not what it has come to mean.
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>>516547539in theory it is quite appealing the reality though is that its far too late for that ideology; it might work at some point in the future but right now it just cannot work with the insane threats we face as a country and as a speciesyou can't have a "live and let live" ideology with people that want you to be murdered
>>516547539It is impossible to maintain a libertarian country as long as a leftist exists within it.
>>516550419>capitalist is a desire for money, not for powermoney is a form of power, problem with unregulated freemarket capitalism is mega corporation control the govements, not the otherway arround, so goverments are doing what is in megacorporations best interest not in the peoples
>>516554470In a hypothetical society where there is no government, no police, no military, the free people would not allow corporations to abuse them. They would stop it. It's like free market reguations, the bad players are losing because they're not wanted by the customers.
>>516554470If the government had very limited power as libertarians want then there'd be very little benefit in anyone attempting to control the government.Currently, controlling the government is extremely profitable because the government is very powerful.
>>516556117It's a cultural thing anyway. In many countries in Europe, like Germany, the consent age is 14, and they're all ok with that, even the conservatives. They say "teenagers are not children". There is no objective debate, it's whatever a culture believes.
>>516547539Why do libertarians claim the art of shoplifting is, "antisocial conduct" rather than a form of entrepreneurship/extreme vulture capitalism?By taking what I want from stores without paying for it, I am engaging in a form of entrepreneurship that is only possible in a system that values personal initiative and hard work. In a communist society, my innovative business model would be stifled by needless government regulations and restrictions on private property.
>>516557559>By taking what I want from stores without paying for it, I am engaging in a form of entrepreneurshipsure...
>>516552556>It's a pasta you dip.I wouldn't exactly call it a copypasta, it was a humorous article in The New Yorker:https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
>>516547539I don't believe in salvation from any political ideology or program. Jesus Christ is the truth. The Bible has everything that we need to establish a healthy civilization, people just don't listen to what the Bible actually says, they want their own ideology to overwrite the Bible. In a true Christian civilization usury is prohibited and every seed is after its own kind, every people after their own kind in their respective nations, brothers among brothers. Nations were created and separated by God Himself. Not one antichrist should have any power in a true Christian civilization, not one antichrist should produce movies or popculture to seduce our Christian children. Not one jew or muslim or any other religion should have any say over our Christian nations. It's quite simple actually, people just don't listen, people are confused with secular ideologies, people think we are all "the same thing" and we should all live in one place under one Roman roof with opposing morals, which is absurd and not harmonious, not healthy, and ultimately not possible and creates nothing but tensions and conflict.
>>516547539Excluding baby's first political opinion at 14, no. It's a meme, and every space of actual free speech will realize that to maximize liberty, you need some form of government to set up rules, and that the best form of government to date is NS. Every ideology that is just a wild tamper tantrum of "REEE I HATE MONEY/GOVERNMENT" and pretends to throw away the entire necessary concept for society instead of fixing the flaws is plainly retarded.What lolbertarians and commies advocate is the equivalent of failing a math exam, and trying to get the very concept of math eliminated. Funnily enough, niggers do this organically by claiming tests are racis and shiiieeet.
>>516548034On the contrary, a limited government would allow the public to solve the problem
>>516547539Libertarian philosophy is predicated on the false belief that freedom is inherently good and that people know what is best for themselves. This is how you end up with a society that is 80% overweight/obese, millions addicted to drugs, majority of the population consuming pornography, complete destruction of the environment, list goes on... The reality is most people are fucking retarded and have zero capacity to attain self-actualization without a guiding hand. Most adults are tantamount to oversized children, libertarianism is akin to giving a baby a gun and expecting the best results. >>516548116>>516548433Literally baby's first political ideology, embarrassing
If you abolish all government, what's to stop (say) Apple from raising an army and declaring the Bay Area the Republic of Apple, where nobody is allowed to use non-Apple computers or phones?I guess Google could also raise an army and the two of them would fight it out for control.Whoever wins, the ordinary citizen is screwed.
>>516563255Muh "non-aggression principle" and pedantic pilpul about how companies acting as governments aren't governments and so are fine. That is their answer.
>>516547539Its obviously the best way to generate economic value, however it has an unfinished synthesis with nationalism, because you dont get to keep your prosperity if you dont invest in military stuff many years in advance of any war.
>>516563984>the best way to generate economic valueDaily reminder that the term GDP was coined by a jew, and that both capitalism and communism are jewish ideologies that worship money/the (((economy))), contrary to NS which states the economy is nothing but a tool to serve the good of the Volk.
>>516564312I didnt mention GDP for a reason. Economic value is when the purchasing power of your money increases, so everyone in your country gets real increases in their living standards. Modern theories of economics hates it when money gains value, but thats what prosperity looks like.>>516562356Your current society is predicated on taking resources from productive people and giving it to these childults.
>>516548312I love how when pressed, lolbertarians disavow their own views and pretend to be standard republicans. Even they don't believe their own indefensible shit. lol
>>516547539I used to think years ago that white libertarianism was the ideal but all these white countries are turning into totalitarian panopticon dystopias under the name of liberal democracy so im not sure libertarianism could work in a white country anymore
>>516548205>We can't have no government when 13% of the population have 12 inch dicks and I can't get any pussyFixed it for you
Libertarianism is for having moral superiority. That's it. In practice it gets crushed by other ideologies because libertarians just sit back.If a libertarian wants to change the world they will have to choose another ideology to support. The masses will never support libertarianism long-term.
