Why does the US government still deny that it got the nukes from Germany?An engineer which was on board of the infamous submarine U-234 which brought jets engines, rockets and uranium to the shores of the US (originally intended for Japan) shortly after the German army surrendered is mentioned in this article:>One of those Dean befriended was German engineer Heinz Schlicke, who developed infrared fuses that could be used to trigger an atomic bomb. https://www.npr.org/2008/08/18/93649575/former-gis-spill-secrets-of-wwii-pow-camp>Heinz Schlicke, a specialist in radar, infrared, and countermeasures and director of the Naval Test Fields in Kielhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-234What a coincidence, he developed fuses that could trigger nukes AND the submarine had uranium on board? Isn't that weird? Some people claim the Uranium was unenriched uranium-oxide but we know it was stored in special containers while uranium-oxide is much less radioactive than the lay person thinks.In a sub where you need to save every little but of space would you therefore waste it on something like that?Pic related, American soldiers handling Uranium cubes without protective gear. Source for the pic:https://www.ornl.gov/organization-news/engineers-and-scientists-support-nonproliferation-effortsThey don't deny that Germany already had other weapons of mass destruction like Sarin gas, which America got after the war.
Germany lost. America won. Jews won hardest.Get over it.
>>516672078That’s interesting, there’s still tons of secrecy regarding WW2; maybe their biggest secret is that Germany had nukes and refused to use them.
>>516672078>got the nukes from Germany?Germany was a decade from nukes and went down the wrong path. Germany was stuck where everyone else had been in 1935. Except Japan that no significant nuke program.
>>516672405What are you talking about? The German Otto Hahn was the one who developed nuclear fission in the first place, in 1939.And again, the NPR, which is a massive American media outlet, literally admits that a German scientist developed fuses which could trigger nukes, why would you develop these without having a nuke in the first place?>>516672381That's the thing.The allies stockpiled massive amounts of WW1 poison gas and weaponized anthrax which would've been used on Germany as retaliation, whether they used that Sarin gas which they definitively had or other weapons of mass destruction.
>>516672078(Ashke)Nazis were such compromised faggots, they literally sent nuclear scientists to the Eastern front to die from the golem Fuhrer's retarded DirectivesIncidentally the same golem Fuhrer who dismissed rocketry as 'very expensive artillery' while throwing millions at dead end projects like schwerer Gustav
>>516672803Name on nuclear scientist that died on the eastern front.I'm aware of a German cryptographer that did (Oswald Teichmüller) which is certainly a shame since he is seen as a genius on par with Turing these days, having come up with Teichmüller theory.But maybe that too was a cover story, after all the world of cryptography is highly classified.Coming to think of it so was the world of nuclear research. So if nuclear scientists indeed died on the eastern front how do we know that wasn't just on paper?That being said it is true that Germany massively scaled down its R&D in 1939.Some people claim that the proximity fuse and cavity magnetron were unique allied achievements but actually Germany had proximity fuse prototypes that got leaked to the allies in 1939 which led to them starting their own research.>he sent the Report along with a vacuum tube from a prototype proximity fuze. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Report Likewise cavity magnetron was invented by the German Hans Hollmann,>He invented and patented a prototype of the cavity magnetron in 1935https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_HollmannBut in 1939 research into the proximity fuse and cavity magnetron was stopped because only programs that would deliver results within 6 months were to be pursued on Hitler's direct orders.Even the V2 program suffered, the years from 1939 to 1942 are therefore often called "lost years".But when Germany began to lose the R&D was massively scaled up again, which led to stuff like the V2, the XXI submarine, Horton 229 etc, but it all came to late.
>>516672381>>516672078There have been rumors for years that Germany had developed nuclear weapons and and even tested a nuke on the island of Peenemünde. Germany was even collecting heavy water to create a hydrogen bomb and they were also developing long-range high-altitude bombers.If the war would have dragged on for a year, then maybe Germany would have nuked Moscow or maybe even London. Who knows.
>>516672381>maybe their biggest secret is that Germany had nukes and refused to use them.That would be pretty embarrassing, for GermanyIf a fucking World War wasn't the time to use nukes, then why even build them
>>516674648Germany couldn't even produce enough food and Berlin lacked trees in 1945 because they literally all got cut down for fire fuel in the preceding winter.There is no way an extra year would have bought them the necessary resources for a massively costly and innovative scientific project that had never been done before.
>>516674648Yeah the Heavy Water was used as a moderator* (it's a better one than graphite but much more expensive) and they got it from Norway. The British even sabotaged it, so much to Germany not even having had a nuclear program eh?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotageThere are rumors about a boosted fusion weapon were conventional explosions start a fusion reaction (in today's hydrogen bombs a fission reaction is the intermediate step, conventional explosives -> fission reaction -> fusion reaction).There are people who deny that it is possible to directly start a fusion reaction with conventional explosions, but the post war physicist Friedwardt Winterberg who learned from Heisenberg said that something like that should be possible).The bomb was supposedly tested in April of 1945 in Ohrdruf.It's all described in the book "Hitler's Bomb" by Rainer Karlsch.* And who knows what else they needed it for? According to Karlsch they knew about a huge hydrogen bomb being possible.>>516675038I'll say it again:The allies stockpiled massive amounts of WW1 poison gas and weaponized anthrax which would've been used on Germany as retaliation, whether they used that Sarin gas which they definitively had or other weapons of mass destruction.>>516675323According to your logic the V2 program shouldn't have been possible either then.Plus nobody says that the project was STARTED when resources became scarce, likely it was started as soon as Otto Hahn discovered nuclear fission.
>>516672381>That’s interesting, there’s still tons of secrecy regarding WW2; maybe their biggest secret is that Germany had nukes and refused to use them.Its funny how normies are like>wow are so lucky that hitler never had nukes that would have been horribleBut he had sarin gas and v2 rockets. If he really wanted to go down the wmd route he had the means to do so. Maybe he wasn't the raging psyscho everyone thinks.
>>516672078All of the ideas about mystical German super science being something that could have somehow won them the war are so utopian and divorced from how wars are actually won it's ridiculous.Even if German science in certain areas was good and the best (slightly better than the Americans in some areas, behind in others, but very respectable overall), that is not what wins wars, what wins wars is logistics and proper planning on delivering the necessary resources to the right people at the right place and the right time, and Germany's logistics sucked and were not up to task with winning WWII in their position.Ask yourself: if Germany did develop a nuclear weapon in 1945-ish, how are they going to deliver it? Nukes then were huge and not self-deliverable the way an ICBM is, they needed bombers to deliver. Okay, so what kind of plane is Germany going to use to attack the USSR? America and the USSR have complete air superiority over all German airspace.Germany could have made serious improvements towards winning the war that have nothing to do with muh genius scientists like consolidating wartime production to a smaller number of companies, altering their engineering philosophy to favor more simplified logistics supply chains as opposed to pure vehicle performance, etc. but even then they were always kind of just screwed with their position and the logistical challenges of a land invasion of the USSR.
>>516675686> According to your logic the V2 program shouldn't have been possible either then.It was further along then their nuclear weapon program was, more established science, and rocketry was a field where Germany was further clear of the rest of the competitors than anything else (The US had parity or superiority in computer technology, radar, piston engines).But the V2 also made virtually zero impact on the outcome of the war and was a drain on resources that could have been put towards other things that would have made a bigger difference so if anything I feel like that goes to my point.Something like introducing and standardizing the Stg 44 design much earlier would have had a lot more impact than fancy science projects in the actual war than cool science stuff that needed further refinement to be good stand-alone weapons.
>>516675823>behind in othersWhat was Germany behind in?What comes to mind is the proximity fuse and centimetric radar enabled by the cavity magnetron, both of which I addressed above (see the second part of: >>516673852).What else?Many people wrongly think the American ENIAC from 1945 was the first computer, but actually Germany's Z3 was from 1941.>The Z3 was a German electromechanical computer designed by Konrad Zuse in 1938, and completed in 1941. It was the world's first working programmable, fully automatic digital computer.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)The later Z4 was even using DURING WW2 for research.>Ask yourself: if Germany did develop a nuclear weapon in 1945-ish, how are they going to deliver it?While the V2 might not have been able to deliver a nuke (although certainly a small one like Rainer Karlsch described above) the A9/A10 rocket was the first design for an ICBM and like so many things it is unclear what happened to it.Some people claim the project was cancelled, others say it was actually tested successfully. Unfortunately we might never know for sure, but the design was there, we know that much at least.There would also haven been the Arado E.555 bomber which is often cited in this context as well as the "Amerika bombers" (for example the Me 264), these were not mass produced because German relied on the dive bomber concept, which worked really well in the first years of the war and when then war turned against Germany the resources had to be allocated elsewhere.
>>516676366>computer technologyAlready addressed, see above.>radarYeah, Germany never really made use of the cavity magnetron (which as shown above was actually invented by a German) but the US actually just got the tech from the British, you merely mass produced it and made some improvements.That being said hadn't it been for centrimetric radar Germany's would've been better.>The Freya radar was more advanced than its British counterpart, Chain Home.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_radar>piston enginesReally? The Dornier Do 335 was certainly a great piston engine aircraft design.>V2 had little impactThat's true, Speer said that the anti-air Wasserfall rocket on the other hand would've halted the allied bomber assaults, which leads on to think: Why was the V2 prioritized which was only used as a terror weapon, which was already realized as being ineffective, as it only strengthened the resolve of the enemy's population.They wanted the enemy to know that they could strike them remotely without having air superiority.Why? To deliver conventional explosives? I doubt it.
>>516676366One think a forgot to address:There was actually a prototype assault rile available in 1935, which for some reason was not adopted.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vollmer_M35Anyone's guess as to why they were going for the old K98 instead, but I guess the doctrine revolved around the MG34 and later the MG42 instead and tooling for the K98 was readily available.
>>516676997>>516677689I know about the Z3 and Konrad Zuse and it being destroyed, I don't just mean electronic/digital computers, I mean computer technology on the whole, including analog computers, which were proportionally much more important at the time, and which America was by far the best at, the US had accurate analog computers for battleship artillery aiming, the B29 had an automated analog aiming system for shooting down opposing fighter jets, etc.America had way better superchargers/turbochargers than Germany which is what led to the dramatic improvements/superiority in especially high-altitute plane performance as seen from 1943 on, and also produced turbo-compounding piston engines way before anybody else did with the R-3350 for the B-29, although jet engines were just around the corner and at the beginning of their development vs. piston engines being a much more mature technology kind of hampered their further development.> Speer said that the anti-air Wasserfall rocket on the other hand would've halted the allied bomber assaultsI really doubt this if only because such a young technology has no way to reliably accurately hit.
>>516679352The Mischgerät which was the guidance computer of the V2 was the first fully electronic analog computer.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischger%C3%A4t_(V-2_guidance_computer)Unsurprisingly Helmut Hölzer who developed it became the director of the Computation Division at the Marshall Space Flight Center.>America had way better superchargers/turbochargers than Germany which is what led to the dramatic improvements/superiority in especially high-altitute plane performance as seen from 1943 onI don't know about this, but the article of the DO335 says:>It could reach speeds of around 800 km/h in level flight, and could outrun most of the military aircraft in service at the time, with only first generation jet fighters being faster. >I really doubt this if only because such a young technology has no way to reliably accurately hit.It was to be manually directed by a guidance beam, later versions were to use active radar homing.>First versions were to use radio command guidance, to be followed by a self-guiding radar system in later models.http://www.astronautix.com/w/wasserfall.htmlThere were other rockets like the Enzian which would make use of infrared homing instead.All these rockets would have a proximity detonator, they wouldn't need to score a perfect hit.Either way I'll have to go now so I can't reply any further.
