>GOP wants to ban trans kids from receiving gender affirming careThis is a violation of both individual rights of the child, parental rights and not small government>GOP wants to ban trans people from using bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity public buildingsThis is a violation of individual rights and not small government>GOP wants to ban trans women from sports team in public education institutionsThis is a violation of individual rights and not small government>GOP wants to ban trans people from the US military, with no waivers or grandfather clauseThis is a violation of individual rights, does not fit the standard application of discharges and waivers for conditions in the military, and not small government>GOP wants to ban prisoners and children from receiving publicly funded gender affirming careThis is a violation of individual rights of the child, parental rights, and not small governmentEverything above is big government and violation of individual rights. It does not fall in line with what the Republican Party platform has supposedly historically stood for.
/pol/ will fall for this bait and reply to this thread while bumping it.
>>516822071>/pol/ will fall for this bait and reply to this thread while bumping it.Of course you will call it bait, cause you can't argue with my points.
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>>516821873>>516823691I’ll dismantle you with one sentence. The GOP is literally pro nigger, pro tranny, and pro kike.
>>516821873Most of us here aren’t republicans and don’t identify with the GOP. I certainly don’t and I want to ban child tranny surgery and men in women’s sports. Actually I would like to ban women’s sports. Anyways the argument that anyone is being a hypocrite is dead no. The left has no principles and the right is quickly abandoning them in order to eliminate the left. Happy war!
>>516821873The GOP was the original big government party btw
>>516821873Publicly funded gender affirming care IS big government, btw.
>>516821873"Pushing transgenderism on kids is grooming!">pimps your kids to Bill Clinton and Les Wexner>Lets pic related have a first-class flight back to Israel
>>516821873The only way to fix shit is to get an actual 3rd party. Lefties hate the dems too. Honestly I think theres a space for the libertarian party rn to actually do shit if they were led right
>>516821873>>516822212Hey what if a bunch of people are just trying to get all the colors in one place?>There are 2 color wheels
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>>516822071Picture this against a black sky
>>516825584Free PNG
>>516821873You are leaving out an important fact. The right believes trans people are mentally ill and thus they are not of sound mind enough to hold the rights of a full citizen because they are a danger to themselves and others.
>>516823902>niggerin latin "niger" means black and you know what "negro" means in Spanish. Africans were added to South America by the Spanish>transmeans "across">kikeSurprise Ike
>>516825798Everyone is mentally ill these days. The internet makes you schizo. But I believe even mentally ill people should be able to protect themselves
>>516824615>>516824743Some things irrelevant
>>516824743>Publicly funded gender affirming care IS big government, btw.You are specifically targeting one group, instead of abolishing all publicly funded healthcare entirely. You either ban it all or none, you can't have both.>>516825798> The right believes trans people are mentally ill and thus they are not of sound mind enough to hold the rights of a full citizenbeing mentally ill does not lose your rights as a citizen. What does that even mean? DSM-5 says they are not. Are you gonna argue with that?
>>516824743>Publicly funded gender affirming careHad to go outside to read this
>>516826189DSM-5 totally say they are you disingenuous kike, modern doctors have just turned into barbarians who think mutilating perfectly good body parts is an acceptable way to treat it
>>516824813>groomingI think my version of grooming is different
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>>516821873Troonery isn't real. It's pure mental illness. And there is no 'right' to be a delusional self-mutilating retard.
>>516826480Let's see what ChatGPT has to say.>modern doctors have just turned into barbarians who think mutilating perfectly good body parts is an acceptable way to treat itMy cousin is a therapist for trans youth in Tennessee and I can confirm from her own writings (they are online and I'm not sharing them to you) that surgeries are not what they prescript trans youth in the gender dysphoria therapy process.
>>516826747>It's pure mental illness.DSM-5 says it is not. That is what defines mental illness in this country.
>>516821873>if a child demands to be surgically mutilated and sterilized, they should be, because individual rights>if a parent demands that their child be surgically mutilated and sterilized, they should be, because parental rights>anyone should be allowed to use the women's bathroom because individual rights>men should be allowed to compete in women's sports because individual rights>if a mentally ill person want to enlist, the military should be required to accept them because individual rights>taxpayers should pay for sex changes for children and prisoners because individual rights and not doing so would be a violation of the principle of small government0/10, that's the best i can do
>>516825094So the gov is mostly law and police. There's an establishment, and there's policy which is pushed to the establishment. It doesn't have to do much partying when you really think about it>the "parties" are having "social issues"
>>516821873>>GOP wants to ban trans kids from receiving gender affirming care>This is a violation of both individual rights of the child, parental rights and not small governmentThat's like saying parents have a right to molest or disfigure their children. There are limits to lolbertism>>GOP wants to ban trans people from using bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity public buildings>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentThat's like saying men have the right to go into women's bathrooms. I mean, I don't really give a shit, should be up to each private establishment how they want to arrange this. I certainly wouldn't let any men into the women's restroom in my restaurant or whatever, because then I'd lose all my customers. But if some weirdo wants to do that in his restaurant, who cares.All that other shit about sports and the zogbots and prisoners, I don't give a fuck. As long as they pay for it themselves they can get whatever cosmetic surgery they want.
>>516826747Why is it wrong to allow body modification? Lots of people have interest in this. The tech bros want to put chips in their heads and amputate their limbs for cybernetics?Thats individual freedom to choose to do that
>>516825798>>516826016Trans means across>trans people are mentally illTrans people walking puts them across
>>516826858>muh book we changed in 2013 to make lgbt sandwich people feel better
>>516827261Of course that should be allowed for adult people. As long as they pay for it themselves, who the fuck cares.
>>516826189>publicly funded healthcareWait, you talking healthcare or health insurance? Health insurance is a collection of money that a group of people contribute to... it's really like a tax, thus a lot of countries make health insurance a government program
>>516826906>if a child demands to be surgically mutilated and sterilized, they should be, because individual rightsIt's 99% of the time them getting on puberty blockers to ensure their body can conform to their gender identity.>if a parent demands that their child be surgically mutilated and sterilized, they should be, because parental rightsThe child first, parents second in terms of say on this matter. Government shouldn't have any say.>anyone should be allowed to use the women's bathroom because individual rightswe are talking about trans women who are women and are using the women's bathroom. If a man uses a women's bathroom, they should be told to get out.>men should be allowed to compete in women's sports because individual rightswe are talking about trans women who are women and are competing in women's sports. The average trans women has more estrogen in their system than a average women, and women in sports are already abusing steroids and testosterone, so that means a trans women would need even more steroids and testosterone to counter that.>if a mentally ill person want to enlist, the military should be required to accept them because individual rightsThey are not mentally ill as per DSM-5 which was the main reason for lifting the ban on them.>taxpayers should pay for sex changes for children and prisoners because individual rights and not doing so would be a violation of the principle of small governmentYes because you already pay for government funding of other kinds of healthcare. So you are single out one, but not others. That is by definition big government.
>>516827575>It's 99% of the time them getting on puberty blockers to ensure their body can conform to their gender identity.Nononono, first... if we're going to entertain this notion we first must make a solid, clear definition of what this "gender identity" is. What is a "gender"? How does it differ from biological sex?
>>516826747>>516826858It's an over-complicated way to say "make someone feel good"
>>516827326>As long as they pay for it themselves,Here is everything medicare covers:>Medicare covers hospital stays, skilled nursing facility care, hospice, some home health, doctor visits, outpatient care, preventive services like screenings and vaccines, lab tests, imaging, durable medical equipment such as wheelchairs and oxygen, mental health services, medically necessary drugs given in a hospital or clinic, and—through Part D or Medicare Advantage plans—most outpatient prescription medications (except excluded categories like drugs for erectile dysfunction), while it generally does not cover routine dental, dentures, routine vision exams or eyeglasses, hearing aids, most long-term custodial nursing home care, cosmetic surgery, and services outside the U.S. except in rare emergencies.Did you see cosmetic surgery in there?
>>516827683My parents mutilated my dick because religion and thats socially acceptable. Parents are just allowed to do that to their kids. Its their kids
>>516827299DSM is what the legal definition for mental illnesses in the USA under federal law. You realize you are not in line with US law right?
>>516827827Well, as long as that's something you pay for voluntarily that's fine. I'm certainly not going to pay into any health insurance that covers cosmetic surgery for policy holders. Only actually necessary surgery is acceptable.
>>516827844Do you think they should be? Obviously your retard parents should have been stopped, no?
>>516827683>"gender identity" is. What is a "gender"?>Sex: The biological classification of people based on physical traits such as chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy.>Gender: The social and cultural roles, behaviors, and expectations that societies associate with being male, female, or other categories.>Gender Identity: A person’s deeply felt internal sense of their own gender, which may or may not align with the sex assigned at birth.
>>516828049I mean I do think its a barbaric practice and i think its bad, but parents are allowed to fuck up their kids. Thats just human
>>516826813>>516826813Why tf are Libertarians having a debate about socials on a political board
>>516828011ok anon, so why is cosmetic surgery allowed, but gender conforming surgeries are not? isn't this rank hypocrisy? yet I don't see anything from these small government types.
>>516828145>The social and cultural roles, behaviors, and expectations that societies associate with being male, female, or other categories.That's just thoughts that exist in someone's head. You don't have to do any surgery to conform to "gender" then, because "gender" is just an idea. So you can be whatever "gender" you want without doing anything to your body, since it has no connection to your biological sex.This is good news for you, you don't need surgery after all.
>>516827083>>516827326>>516827683>>516828011>>516828049Just know, they are Americans who are having dating issues. Maturity is necessary
>>516828258Well, that's a voluntary health insurance, isn't it? People pay the health insurance if they want to be a part of it.I don't mind that at all. As long as I don't have to be part of covering your genital mutilation, then we're all good.>>516828180You sound as deranged as your deranged parents. Don't genitally mutilate your kid just because your faggot parents did it to you pls.
>>516827083>That's like saying parents have a right to molest or disfigure their children.They are not harming their kids. It's their kids who are the ones choosing it. Are you saying kids don't have a choice and parents shouldn't agree to what their kids needs are? I was raised autistic and need special education and my parents fought for it? She sued the school for my special needs education. Should she not?>That's like saying men have the right to go into women's bathrooms.We are talking about trans women who are not men. They are she/her.>I mean, I don't really give a shit, should be up to each private establishment how they want to arrange this. I certainly wouldn't let any men into the women's restroom in my restaurant or whatever, because then I'd lose all my customers. But if some weirdo wants to do that in his restaurant, who cares.We are talking about trans women.>All that other shit about sports and the zogbots and prisoners, I don't give a fuck. As long as they pay for it themselves they can get whatever cosmetic surgery they want.Ok so we should abolish all publicly funded healthcare?
>>516828434Ima be real with you ima crispr my kids with bioluminescent jellyfish dna so the glow in the dark and will forever be unable to hide. I think thatll make em tough. Theyll have to become charismatic to survive
>>516828310>>516828434See: >>516826344
>>516828434>Well, that's a voluntary health insurance, isn't it?Medicare is a publicly funded health insurance program in the United States. It's not voluntary.>People pay the health insurance if they want to be a part of it.You are talking about private healthcare. The debate is publicly funded healthcare. We are not talking about that.
>>516828520>Are you saying kids don't have a choice and parents shouldn't agree to what their kids needs are?Obviously. That's why we don't allow them to do labor, or decide what they eat, or vote in elections, or take up loans, or gamble, or smoke, or drink, or decide their own time, or have sex, or anything else pretty much.Children are 100% retarded and have no clue about consequences or what's good for them. So they don't get to decide anything whatsoever, and they cannot consent to anything. That I even have to explain this to you makes me suspect you are SERIOUSLY mentally ill.
>>516828710Top fucking kek, you have to pay for niggers to get beauty surgery? That's sick.
>>516827827>>516827937>>516828145>>516828258>I want to talk about dating in the middle of a debate board instead of actually dating>>516828520>I'm gonna talk about not dating in the middle of a political board
>>516821873GOP funds all that trans shit so long as the democrats keep their promise to never complain about wages or housing prices ever again. Ahhh priorities, right? Another reason I never bother voting, political atheism.
>>516826189I’d ban all publicly funded healthcare, no problems there. I also don’t agree with the DSM 5 or whatever. The mental health industry is entirely corrupt and run by jews, it’s not based in reality, like trannies.
>>516828728>Obviously. That's why we don't allow them to do labor,Some states are sadly going back to that>or decide what they eat,We don't force feed them unless it is literally they would die.>or vote in elections, or take up loans, or gamble, or smoke, or drink, or decide their own time,Ok> or have sex,Only with adults. And you can't stop them from masturbating as I did several times.>Children are 100% retarded and have no clue about consequences or what's good for them.This is were you are wrong. I was autistic, I was born that way. I have a friend who is trans. She was born that way, but had to repress it due to transphobic society. So you are wrong.>So they don't get to decide anything whatsoever, and they cannot consent to anything.Children consent all the time. What the fuck are you talking about? I consented to go home after school. You act like children are robots.>That I even have to explain this to you makes me suspect you are SERIOUSLY mentally ill.Stop with the name callings and debate my points.
>>516827261>>516827844>>516828180>>516828576Bunch of nothing to not write down and not post
>>516828929Politics is simple, internet is faraway
>>516829342>Children consent all the time. What the fuck are you talking about? I consented to go home after school.No you didn't. If you hadn't gone home after school and had started living on the street, someone would have stopped you. Children can't consent to anything, don't even try to get into that pedo argument, you fag.Children decide absolutely nothing, their parents and the state decide for them. Parents also don't decide fully over their own children. If a parent wants to molest their kid or sign them up for loans or give them heroin, the state steps in to stop them doing that because then they are too fucking awful parents to parent properly.That's what living in a civilization instead of living in a lolbert pedo jungle is like.
>>516827937If US law and the Constitution permits child trannies, I would throw out the constitution entirely and start over as a country. Child and adult trannies are immoral, it doesn’t matter what the law says.
>>516829212Health insurance is basically a tax, there's a reason so many nations make it a real tax
>>516821873>muh TroonsYou know we are coming for you right?
>>516829212>I’d ban all publicly funded healthcare, no problems there. Ok we agree, until that time, gender affirming care should be covered like cosmetic surgeries.>I also don’t agree with the DSM 5 or whatever. Sorry it's DSM-5 AND United Nation's World Health Organization’s ICD-10/ICD-11 used for mental illnesses in US agencies
>>516829588I wasn’t talking about health insurance I was talking about publicly funded healthcare. I don’t believe any publicly funded healthcare should exist.
>>516829389My brother, one of my friends parents got his ears pierced and put him in dresses in the 90s before trans was even a thing. His parents swore it was normal when I saw a picture of thatPeople do fucked up shit to their kids all the time and convince themselves its goodNobody agrees footbinding is good, nobody thinks putting a giant ass disk in a childs lip in some tribe somewhere is goodBut humans have been doing this shit forever and convincing themselves that itll give their child a better life.Its normal human behavior
>>516829652>gender affirming care>>516828145We've been over this. Your own definition of "gender" is completely decoupled from biological sex. You can be any "gender" completely independent from whatever your biological sex is. This means you don't need any surgery to make your biology appear to conform to your "gender" because your "gender" has nothing to do with your biology.So by your own definition any such surgery is redundant. This is just formal logic.
>>516829652You’re mixing up private healthcare and publicly funded healthcare. Also cosmetic surgery is irrelevant although for the record I would ban it also, it’s dishonest.
>>516829587>Child and adult trannies are immoral,Why? Because you said so? What is the justification and reason for this immorality? What standard are you basing this off of? You would call a trans child that? Wow, that says alot about you.
>>516821873No understanding of law or meaning of words.
>>516829852It’s in the Bible. And yes I am very firm in my beliefs and I am not scared or shy about proclaiming them. I won’t be shamed. I would say everything I said to you to a child as well, although we all know it’s the parent that is doing the harm
>>516822212You don't have any points because you didn't write any paragraphs; you used neo-commie jewspeak. No other dismantling needs to happen because you're retarded and not worth it. Being a kike and repeating 'not small government' like you're Lev Bronstein with a bullhorn doesn't stop you from being wrong. Come up with proper points and I will gladly think about not taking you seriously in your next slide thread.
>>516829543>No you didn't. If you hadn't gone home after school and had started living on the street, someone would have stopped you.My parents would probably have come and picked me up, but that was my choice to do so. I also was able to run around my grandparents house while they were sleeping in the day and do whatever the fuck I wanted as long I didn't wake them.>Children can't consent to anything, don't even try to get into that pedo argument, you fag.They literally consent all the fucking time. I even found ways to manipulate my parents to my consent. I was suck in band class as a kid so I came up with an idea to get out of it. I got my mom to sign a blank paper and told her it was "National Parents Signature Day". I filled the rest in as a slip to get out of band class.>Children decide absolutely nothing, their parents and the state decide for them. Parents also don't decide fully over their own children. If a parent wants to molest their kid or sign them up for loans or give them heroin, the state steps in to stop them doing that because then they are too fucking awful parents to parent properly.>That's what living in a civilization instead of living in a lolbert pedo jungle is like.Those are abuse, we are talking about trans child. I already told you about my friend who was a female, but was closeted about it growing up male due to transphobic society.
>>516821873You don't have a right to practice sexual deviance. End of discussion. The only legal sex should be missionary position between a man and his wife.
>>516830092The OP is stuck on this idea of small government like so many of us would throw away our principles and morality just for the sake of small government. I don’t believe in small government.
>>516830212Based and true. Also ban all forms of contraception.
>>516830191>but that was my choice to do so.No it wasn't. You didn't decide a single thing as a child. You suffered from neglectful parents who didn't raise you properly, but that's on them, not you.Anyways, children can't consent and they can't decide anything. Only a literal pedo would claim otherwise.
>>516821873>I want to cut boys dicks off and cut girls breats offThose aren't rights
>>516830247Maybe he thinks this is a lolbert board or something.
>>516822071Yes. Yes, we will. The transgender issue is culture war candy. Self identified right wingers can't help themselves. Self identified good leftists/liberals can't help themselves. Each one has to weigh-in on this very issue. Transgender issues are a boundary marker for partisan tribalism. They want you to have an opinion after they shove the issue in your face, and then they will place you in one camp or the other political camp depending on your reaction. It's a wonderful distraction since both sides can bicker endlessly over less than 1 percent of the total population.
>>516830090>It’s in the Bible.Where does it say that? Show me where Jesus says the word transgender?>>516829812>We've been over this. Your own definition of "gender" is completely decoupled from biological sex. You can be any "gender" completely independent from whatever your biological sex is.Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.>This means you don't need any surgery to make your biology appear to conform to your "gender" because your "gender" has nothing to do with your biology. So by your own definition any such surgery is redundant. This is just formal logic.The surgery is up to the individual as I already stated. If they want to do it great. If they don't want to do it great. There are certain US states and countries that require surgery for gender marker changes on birth certificates and IDs so there is that to factor in.
>>516830446The game is rigged, but it's the only game in town. How can you not argue when mentally ill faggots want the right to genitally mutilate children?
>>516830411The fact that his initial post was organized the way and with Reddit spacing makes me think it was serious. Anyways the elevation of ‘small government’ as the highest goal is really obnoxious.
>>516829796Oh, dolls and ballerina shoes? See: >>516829389
>>516830247Small government generally means less taxes and less red tape, more autonomy. Idk what it has to do with trans shit besides being badfaith.
>>516830529>The surgery is up to the individual as I already stated. If they want to do it great.Well, I already agreed with you on that. As long as they're consenting adults who pay for it themselves, I don't care if you chop off your balls and graft them to your forehead or swap your hands with your feet or whatever other mentally ill dingbat transhumanist surgery you come up with. Have fun and god speed.
>>516830530I just want to make my kids glow in the dark and put computer chips in their brain to make them super smart T.T
>>516821873"Trans" anything is child abuse and mutilation. There, I fixed it for you.
>>516821873YWNBAW
>>516830529Deuteronomy 22:5 It’s a violation of natural law as well. You don’t need Jesus to know that.
>>516829812>decoupledSuddenly single
>>516821873that's great but still YWNBA
>>516830446Stop downplaying the fact we don't want these freaks in our schools or have to use their retarded pronouns. It's every American's right to tell them to fuck off with all this faggot shit.
>>516830603I’m aware of what it means and yeah it is a bad faith argument or he is a fucking retard.
>>516830247Would you support state sanctioned transgenderism imposed upon the population? So why are you doing the same thing, but the other side of the coin?>>516830344>No it wasn't. You didn't decide a single thing as a child. You suffered from neglectful parents who didn't raise you properly, but that's on them, not you. Anyways, children can't consent and they can't decide anything. Only a literal pedo would claim otherwise.When did I ever say I would decide? This is the child's choice. Are you gonna address my friend who came out as trans and said they wished they had came out as a kid? And I never once advocated pedophilia in here. You are a bad faith actor.
>>516829936>spending too much time on nonsense
>>516830799Transgenderism is a violation of natural law. I already said that. The state can’t force humans to violate natural law but it can enforce natural law.
>>516830799>When did I ever say I would decide? This is the child's choice. Are you gonna address my friend who came out as trans and said they wished they had came out as a kid?Children have no choice. They don't understand consequences, and thus can not consent to anything. Your friend is a whining faggot who needs to shut up about his bullshit. He suffers from "gender" and as you and I have already been over "gender" is just an idea. So he can either change how he thinks about things, i.e. change his "gender" ... or he can just be the "gender" (a set of ideas) the way he is. All his imaginary problems is just bullshit and he needs to be bullied until he stops whining about them.
>>516830799You can't cut kid's gentiles off. That is evil. Murder is evil. Torture and assult is evil. Mutilation is also evil. Evil must be purged.
>>516830394>Those aren't rightsYou have a right to your body.>As long as they're consenting adults who pay for it themselves, And children who get puberty blockers 99% time.>>516830702>Deuteronomy 22:5Doesn't mention transgenderism.>It’s a violation of natural law as well. You don’t need Jesus to know that.jesus never said the word transgender.
>>516821873TLDR
>>516831162This bitches are gonna get mad when I start jellyfishing children in a lab
>>516830753>Stop downplaying the fact we don't want these freaks in our schoolsSo you are engaging in violence against children? Want to get reported to the FBI?>or have to use their retarded pronounsOk anon, go to a cis women at work and call them a sir. What will happen? You see? it's called healthy workplace safety to engage in proper pronouns in the same way I won't misgender you.
>>516831104It does pertain to trannyism but like I said, trannyism is a violation of natural law as well.
>>516831269You’re baiting people now and that is not a valid refutation to their assertions. You’re 100 posts in and haven’t convinced anyone yet, even though you said you would do it in one post. Give up.
>>516831033>You can't cut kid's gentiles off.It does happen. Often done for intersex or botched circumcisions and raised female. I already pointed out 99% of gender affirming care for kids is puberty blockers and HRT.My cousin wrote an entire article on this online as she is a therapist with trans youth in Tennessee about the falsehoods of this.
>>516831330>natural law which to you is a constantly shifting set of rules which apply to everyone but you, yes?
>>516831446>Often done for intersex or botched circumcisions and raised femaleThat's not standard practice anywhere at all. That was just a sick experiment carried out by that insane pedophile Dr. John Money.
>>516831330>natural lawAnimals change sexes all the time. If something is in nature, that by definition is natural. If someone is born trans, that is because it's natural. This stuff is all natural. It's due to the process we undergo in the womb. Every male "transitions" from female to male in the womb because you aren't born with a penis, you need to be shot up first in the womb to do that.
>>516822212since I am not really right-wing, I do agree with your points. however, I would just point out that you're "fighting the last war" so to speak. the whole concept of "small government" is outdated. after the 2008 financial crisis, both sides of the aisle had insurgent populist movements that were begging for a more robust response from the government to actively address anemic economic growth after gloval the financial crisis. the Democrats smothered leftist populism to death in 2016 by suppressing Bernie Sanders and then giving him a lobotomy so that he'd parrot DNC talking points from then on.that means the populist right wins by default.the populist right is not traditional Republican conservatism:the populist right is a mixture of cartoonish jingoism, folk pseudo libertarianism, co-opted leftist talking points (on trade, immigration, certain economic issues, war, intervention, etc), and immature reactions to liberal boutique activism (woke, in current vernacular). this means that the whole small government thing is over. libertarianism is dead. people on both sides are fed up with a government that won't actively do something that satisfies and gratifies large swathes of the population.
>>516831585>Every male "transitions" from female to male in the wombWhat kind of voodoo nigger tier biology do they teach you guys over in burger school? A human has XY or XX chromosomes from it's very inception as a single cell. You are sexed male or female from the instant you exist.
>>516831569>That's not standard practice anywhere at all.This happened in August 22, 1965, in Winnipeg, Canada
>>516831738Yes, that's the case I'm talking about. That was the kid that got his genitals cut off by the pedophile John Money, and then went on to kill himself.
>>516831711All embryos start with the same basic reproductive structures, which can develop into either male or female organs; if nothing intervenes, development follows the “default” female pathway, but in embryos with a Y chromosome, the SRY gene activates around week 6–7, causing the gonads to become testes that produce testosterone (to form male internal and external organs) and anti-Müllerian hormone (to block female structures), so in that sense males must “transition” from the neutral starting state by actively switching on this pathway.
>>516831872Let me just repeat. A human has XY or XX chromosomes from it's very inception as a single cell. You are sexed male or female from the instant you exist.Man, common core really did a number on you faggots.
>>516831811Yes, but the point I'm getting at is it's not fair to say that gender change isn't standard for botched circumcision or intersex children. It very much is.
Ima ask a question in general, if you had the ability to choose a childs gender pre birth by manipulating the embryo. This is more acceptable no?
>>516831527No, natural law easy to discern. Trannies of natural law and demanding everyone around them deny the evidence of their eyes and instincts, and that is evil. You sound like you’re a tranny and trying to convict yourself that you didn’t make a mistake by arguing with everyone else.
>>516831957It's not standard at all, no one does that to people with botched circumcisions or intersex mutants. It was just that pedo John Money and a few cases surrounding his.
>>516831930>A human has XY or XX chromosomes from it's very inception as a single cell. You are sexed male or female from the instant you exist.The Gonadal and phenotypic sex don't though and that's key. Along with the fact we are talking about gender identity which is a whole other category here and separate from the chromosomes issue.
>>516832096I'll just say it for the third time, as simply as possible, so maybe it penetrates your microscopic cargo cult superstitious brain: from the moment you exist as a single cell, you are either male or female, XX or XY.
>>516831607>this means that the whole small government thing is over.all>the populist right is a mixture of cartoonish jingoism, folk pseudo libertarianism, co-opted leftist talking points (on trade, immigration, certain economic issues, war, intervention, etc), and immature reactions to liberal boutique activism (woke, in current vernacular)Still say they are for small government or limited government.
>>516831585Humans aren’t animals, your point is irrelevant. You also set out to use ‘small government’ as your baseline. What does biology have to do with small government,
>>516821873Thank goodness I’m not a registered Republican
>>516832158>from the moment you exist as a single cell, you are either male or female, XX or XY.What does this have to do with what we are talking about? We are talking about gender identity.
>>516832158Unless you start gene editing which is coming
>>516832096>Along with the fact we are talking about gender identity"Gender" is just an idea. It has no bearing on any discussion about biology. It has nothing to do with biology whatsoever. "Gender" is just a set of thoughts, like fashion.>>516828145>>Gender: The social and cultural roles, behaviors, and expectations that societies associate with being male, female, or other categories.
>>516832254No, you were going on on some pseudoscientific hoodoo nigger superstition about how men "transition" into females in the womb. Which is not how biology and reality works.
>>516832219>Humans aren’t animals,We are. Homo sapiens sapien is our official sub-species. We are primates aka mammals.
You will be forcefed pimozide like grain to a French goose and then the voices will go away, sir.
>>516832190Who is in this thread arguing they want a small government?
>>516832339>No, you were going on on some pseudoscientific hoodoo nigger superstition about how men "transition" into females in the womb. Which is not how biology and reality works.They grow their penises in the womb, that implies at one point we didn't have a penis. That is what I'm getting at. The penis doesn't imply if you are male or not.
>>516832365No we aren’t animals that change sex or whatever like clown fish or whatever weird sea creature you can find. It’s an irrelevant point and irrelevant to your assertion that we all want ‘small government.’
>>516832450>They grow their penises in the womb, that implies at one point we didn't have a penis.You once didn't have a brain either, does that mean you're a retard? Ok, I consneed to your point.What a dumb fuckign faggot you are. Don't ever speak about scientific topics again, ever.
>>516832450>The penis doesn't imply if you are male or not.You are what you're born with. If you're born with a dick then, grats, you're male.
>>516831607You’re saying what I tried to point out earlier, but your explanation is a lot clearer.
>>516832277>biology.Good thing this isn't biology class. This is social policy.>. "Gender" is just a set of thoughts, like fashion.Ok your proving my point that it's up to the individual what their gender is as gender is a spetrum. I have a friend who is asexual, but they are asexual flux. Meaning they go in and out of being sexually attracted or not. Sometimes revolted by sex, but sometimes not.
>>516832523Would you call a castrated man a man or women? The answer is: it depends on how they identity. That is my point.
>>516830530That's not very common at all. However, I would say that your concerns are valid, to the extent that this is happening to minors. Once again, it's not common at all. I literally have a "not my problem" attitude since they're not doing that to my kids>>516830753Fair enough. However, I would submit that your reaction to them is more of a reaction to precipitously more and more decadent liberal boutique advocacy.It gets more and more ridiculous every year.Hence, clown world.Once we finally arrive at the transgender issue, that's the red line for a lot of people:they could handle some political correctness on being nice to black people, being nice to brown people, tolerating immigrants, tolerating women at the workplace, making sure that their speech is never insensitive to any of these different groups, and even tolerating gay marriage.But, once the transgender thing pops up, that's when all the pent up little irritations over liberal boutique this, that, and the other thing just explodes. That's when it becomes, "fuck off troon! You're a mentally ill man, and I'm not using your pronouns!"It's like the transgender thing becomes a scapegoat or a proxy for just liberal decadence in general
>>516832497>No we aren’t animals that change sexWe literally do and doing it since our existence. We won't be having this thread if that was the case.
>>516832646>Ok your proving my point that it's up to the individual what their gender isOf course. "Gender" is just a set of ideas, as per your own definition. So people's "gender" is whatever they believe it is, people can change their "gender" at a whim, just like any other set of ideas, and their "gender" has no connection whatsoever to their biology or anything else. I think we're on the same page with that one.>>516832713A castrated man still has XY chromosomes in every single cell in his body, so obviously he's still biologically male. He can never be anything else, so why would that change just because he cut off his dick.
>>516821873>5 cents has been deposited into your accountTrannies are mentally ill & transitioning is a poor "treatment"
>>516832219>What does biology have to do with small government,Nothing that is biology class. We are talking social policy.>>516832853>so why would that change just because he cut off his dick.If he was born trans and identified as a women. Your biological has nothing to do with your gender as I pointed out several times and you conceded the point.
>>516832936We'll develop much better ones in the next 10-20 years
>>516832999>If he was born trans and identified as a women.But we've already agreed "gender" which is what you're talking about here has nothing to do with biology, i.e. your physical body.> Your biological has nothing to do with your genderYes, so penises has absolutely nothing to do with "gender" as we've both agreed on.
>>516832785Humans do not change sex. You will not be able to find case of it. Anyways your initial assertion regarded small government, not biology.
>>516821873There are only two genders
>>516821873You will never be a woman.
>>516833032>We'll develop much better ones in the next 10-20 yearsBased. As much as government tries to stifle the research, we are progressing forward.
>>516821873Im not the only one seeing a pepe nere, right?
>>516832999You are the one bringing up biology, not me. You need to stop doing that.
>>516833114>There are only two gendersGender is a spetrum. There is no number.
>>516833263"Gender" is just an idea, so "gender" can be whatever you want.Biological sex however is binary, you have male and female.These two concepts have nothing to do with each-other.
>>516821873lmao what are you some kind of faggot freak
>>516833184I can kinda see it
>>516822212You didn't didn't provide any logical or valid arguments for your assertions. It's like you are saying: "this is the way it is because I said so"You are insane
>>516833356>"Gender" is just an idea, so "gender" can be whatever you want. Biological sex however is binary, you have male and female. These two concepts have nothing to do with each-other.Nothing in the OP factors in or mentions biological sex. Law is based around gender identity as the US Supreme Court ruled Bostock v. Clayton County that gender identity was included in the definition of sex in civil rights law.
>>516833032Ones that don't require forcing people to deal with obsessive dysmorphia & literal genital mutilation? Sign me up>>516832999>Your biological has nothing to do with your genderGod fuck, you people take Soc101 & think you're anthropologists. Why do genders exist then? If your biological has NOTHING to do with it, then why the fuck did they develop in the first place?
>>516830212My house, my body, my partners body. We're adults, and it's none of your business. Got a problem with that? Try to come in my house.
>>516821873I'm not GOP, but I think you're wrong on most of this shit.>>GOP wants to ban trans kids from receiving gender affirming care>This is a violation of both individual rights of the child, parental rights and not small governmentChildren can't consent. >>GOP wants to ban trans people from using bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity public buildings>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentSex-segregated spaces exist to suit the biological needs of men and women, as well as protecting them from each other. Just because a man demands to share a restroom with women, doesn't mean he should be allowed to. Should restaurants suddenly stop serving pork because a bunch of muslims decided it was "haram"? Should an institution kneel to the demands of a bunch of Christians to remove a piece of art that offended them? No, it's all feelings.Feelings are not reflective of reality.>>GOP wants to ban trans women from sports team in public education institutions>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentHuman men are physically stronger than human women. Believing otherwise is anti-scientific. >>GOP wants to ban trans people from the US military, with no waivers or grandfather clause>This is a violation of individual rights, does not fit the standard application of discharges and waivers for conditions in the military, and not small governmentGender dysphoria is in the DSM. It's a mental illness. If you have a mental illness, you should not be serving in the military. Would you trust a schizopreniac in a combat role? I think not.>>GOP wants to ban prisoners and children from receiving publicly funded gender affirming care>This is a violation of individual rights of the child, parental rights, and not small governmentUS taxpayers, even some dem voters who aren't cucked on the trans stuff, don't like their money going toward genital reconstruction surgery for some guy in a maximum security prison.
>>516821873if you kepp calling "rights" your sum-zero game goals, you are saying that the matter is not negotiable.your terms are acceptable, you will be allowed to go in the streets to fight for your "rights", be ready to brace the volley from machine guns.
>>516833478>You didn't didn't provide any logical or valid arguments for your assertions. It's like you are saying: "this is the way it is because I said so"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Penal_Code>Another important feature is that under the MPC, any action not explicitly outlawed is legal. This concept follows the saying, "That which is not forbidden is allowed" as opposed to "That which is not allowed is forbidden." Legal scholars contrast the MPC's limits with laws passed by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, which allowed people to be punished for acts not specifically outlawed but similar to acts that were. The MPC provision has a prospective effect in that it applies to those acts which may be committed in the future. This is not the same as a retrospective effect of past acts which are protected by the rule against ex post facto laws. There is no reason such actions should be illegal as they were not explicitly banned prior. These kinds of laws are vague and used in similar manner as Nazis and USSR.
>>516833511>gender identity was included in the definition of sexNo, you can't start blending these two concepts together. Your own definition of gender states:>>516828145>>Gender: The social and cultural roles, behaviors, and expectations that societies associate with being male, female, or other categories.This has nothing to do with biological sex whatsoever. Like I said, by your own definition "gender" is just a set of ideas that has nothing to do with physical reality. A set of ideas are things like>I like spaghetti>I want to travel to Malaysia>I am a genderThese things have no bearing on the physical world, they are just ideas that exist inside your mind.
>>516833540Its why I love being a gun owner. I aint scared of mentally ill people out there
>>516832190>Still say they are for small government or limited government.That doesn't mean shit anymore. It's just the right-wing version of virtue signaling. Republicans today are not for limited government. In fact, they'd probably lose if they went back to pre MAGA conservatism because that shit doesn't satisfy anyone.Democrats point out how big corporations and oligarchy are taking over the country, but that doesn't stop them from whoring themselves out for corporate campaign contributions and implementing corporatist policies. Same thing goes for the core "principles" of the other side:don't let principles get in the way of short-term political gains
>>516833530>Why do genders exist then?Culture, did cavement think genders exist?> If your biological has NOTHING to do with it, then why the fuck did they develop in the first place?That's just how you came out of the womb. You can be born with a body, but your brain will tell you if it's not the correct gender or not. And I'm cisgendered btw. I was born in my preferred gender body.
>>516833699>Its why I love being a gun owner.And you will be serving a lifetime in prison for murder for a federal hate crime.
>>516833691Man, I wish I lived in Nazi Germany.
>>516833879Depends on your state anon. I lived in Kennesaw ga for a bit and I was legally required to own a gun as head of household lmao
>>516834019>I was legally required to own a gun as head of household lmaothat's a violation of the second amendment btw. You shouldn't be required to own a gun.
>>516833828>but your brain will tell you if it's not the correct gender or notWell, "gender" is just an idea, so just because you're one "gender" today doesn't mean you're that "gender" tomorrow. You might change your mind and become another "gender."
>>516821873You have rights, same way schizophrenic do.
>>516834086Its obviously impossible to enforce, its just gop virtue signalling. But It was just another excuse to buy one
>>516834164>Well, "gender" is just an idea, so just because you're one "gender" today doesn't mean you're that "gender" tomorrow. You might change your mind and become another "gender."not really how that works. there are non-binary people, but they don't switch from binary to non-binary like that. 99.99% trans are the gender they choose in their gender identity. FACT
>>516821873I like how everyone pretends to not remember that Bruce Jenner & Lady MAGA were a thing at one point.
>>516834276That makes zero logical sense.>>Gender: The social and cultural roles, behaviors, and expectations that societies associate with being male, female, or other categories.Are you saying it's somehow impossible to change "behaviors and expectations" you associate with "other categories"?Of course you can change your "gender." I've changed my "gender" several times during this conversation.
>>516833879Being a gun owner isn’t a hate crime
I'll use The Matrix as an example for gender.Most people are in The Matrix (binary cisgendered). However, there are a few who break out of the Matrix (non-binary transgender) and can go in and out of it.
>>516821873Children cannot consent to sex, and therefore are unable to consent to a sex change (not a real thing btw; it's just genital mutilation and nothing more). Therefore, it is not a violation of rights to allow this "care," because it isn't care; it's abuse. All child abusers deserve the rope, yourself included.
>>516834722Yes, "gender" is just a fantasy. It's something you imagine, just like the matrix.
>>516821873Self acceptance doesn't require exogenous hormones or Mengelean surgical procedures. Most of all, it doesn't require others to lie.
>>516834759Giving adderall to children for adhd is child abuse but it gives them a better chance at school
>>516834759You are engaging in child abuse by attacking trans kids. The person you should rope is the person you are looking in a mirror.>Of course you can change your "gender." I've changed my "gender" several times during this conversation.I said most. I don't have a number, but it's over 95% maybe higher.
>>516833540You guys always said you would leave it in your private bedrooms but that’s not what happened is it? You’re having gross parades and grooming children and demanding that Christians bake your fag cakes. You demand we change our language and behavior and our instincts. You’re making demands that require people to deny their eyes and ears and you have become evil tyrants in that pursuit.
>>516821873>>GOP wants to ban trans kids from receiving gender affirming care>This is a violation of both individual rights of the child, parental rights and not small governmentCan a child legally get tattooed? It's literally just ink under the skin, as opposed to chemical castration and osteoperosis at minimum.>>GOP wants to ban trans people from using bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity public buildings>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentlol don't care. Pass or use your proper shitter.>>GOP wants to ban trans women from sports team in public education institutions>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentForm your own sportsball leagues. Stop stealing from women, dude.>>GOP wants to ban trans people from the US military, with no waivers or grandfather clause>This is a violation of individual rights, does not fit the standard application of discharges and waivers for conditions in the military, and not small governmentOther, lesser mental disabilities and instabilities are already denied service.>>GOP wants to ban prisoners and children from receiving publicly funded gender affirming care>This is a violation of individual rights of the child, parental rights, and not small governmentIt's already an unacceptable burden on the public to care for prisoners beyond that which is required to keep them functionally alive. >>516826189>>>516824743>You are specifically targeting one group, instead of abolishing all publicly funded healthcare entirely. You either ban it all or none, you can't have both.I only wish to keep people alive, not enable their autogynephiliac fetishes. >being mentally ill does not lose your rights as a citizen. What does that even mean? DSM-5 says they are not. Are you gonna argue with that?Fags already terrorized their way out of one of the previous DSMs. You lose your 2A rights if you're committed to an institution, without even a felony! That boat sailed.
>>516833828You're either 19 or a retarded shill; probably both>cultureDoesn't suffice; there's a material necessity to the assigned gender roles rooted in biological factors. Cavemen were smarter than you think, and didn't have the fucking luxury to worry about nonsense like this. Men are men, women are women, & trannies are mentally ill.>but your brain will tell you if it's not the correct gender or notThat is a mental disorder. Nobody in their right mind thinks they were born in the "wrong" body. The very concept is ludicrous, and a sign of a fractured ego. The issue lies in the brain & not the body per se. But since each castration rakes in around 120; plus all the auxiliary costs with """"gender affirming care""""; people will still be pushed to transition. It's a racket & you're running cover for it
>>516834889>>Of course you can change your "gender." I've changed my "gender" several times during this conversation.>I said most. I don't have a number, but it's over 95% maybe higher.You're just making that up. "Gender" is just expectations, anyone can change their "gender" if they want to.
>>516833699Same. I do what I want in my house and I'll damn sure protect it from crazies on both the left and right.
>>516834845>Self acceptance doesn't require exogenous hormones or Mengelean surgical procedures.Ok so every male and female should NEVER get ANY surgeries again anon. As you said yourself.>Most of all, it doesn't require others to lie.Nothing to lie about, a trans women is a women and a trans man is a man. We call them by their preferred pronouns because you won't like it if someone called you a sir if you were a women or vice versa.
>>516834722OP you are one fucked up loser. Go back to fucking barnyard animals and taking up the ass from niggers. You would not even qualify as a nigger you are so disgusting. Just crawl off to a swamp in Misissippi and live with those of your kind. Suck dick all day and take it up the ass from Tyrone. Disgusting subhuman.
>>516835008>a trans women is a women and a trans man is a man.No, they're either a biological man, with XY chromosomes, or a biological woman, with XX chromosomes.And then they have some kind of "gender", which is just expectations towards behaviors according to undefined categories, and can thus be whatever. Think of biological sex as a concrete physical reality, and a "gender" more like something a person imagines, like what fashion they like or something like that.
>>516834907>Can a child legally get tattooed? It's literally just ink under the skin, as opposed to chemical castration and osteoperosis at minimum.Some states allow minors to get tattoos with parental consent actually.>Form your own sportsball leagues. Stop stealing from women, dude.Ok, has any Republican politician advocated legislation to do that? Can you find me one who will push for this?>Other, lesser mental disabilities and instabilities are already denied service.No, most of the time they have waivers. Yet gender dysprosium does not, which is 100% politically drive and not the standard of the US army.>It's already an unacceptable burden on the public to care for prisoners beyond that which is required to keep them functionally alive.US is regarded as one of the most inhuman prison systems on earth. You are basically just saying they aren't even human and should barely be kept alive. They have rights even in prison.>I only wish to keep people alive, not enable their autogynephiliac fetishes.By not providing GAC (gender affirming care) you are not keeping people alive>Fags already terrorized their way out of one of the previous DSMs. You lose your 2A rights if you're committed to an institution, without even a felony! That boat sailed.I don't understand what you are saying here? are you advocating against 2nd amendment rights?
>>516835008I refuse to play pretend with adults outside of RPGs and theatre. They can pretend they're pretty girls or manly guys all they want, but they're just sick freaks on tittyskittles/gonzovoice pills that hated themselves enough to take cross-sex hormones instead of learning to love themselves and their bodies. Self-acceptance is a long, long, long way from 'this tumorous mass is going to actually kill you,' as a failure to accept yourself is simply 'if you don't accept yourself, you'll be miserable enough to take your own(or others') lives.' The fact that this logic escapes you proves that your tittyskittles are mental retardation medication.
>>516835128your chromosomes do not define you as a person or your gender. We do not write laws around chromosomes. We do not have passports, birth certificates, IDs with chromosomes. You know what we do have? GENDER
>>516835420>Ok, has any Republican politician advocated legislation to do that? Can you find me one who will push for this?Trump banned men from women’s sports. It’s one of the first things he did.
>>516834903You can't group us all together. That'd be like saying Ben Carson or Thomas Sowell are ooga booga gimme dat niggers. Most of us aren't cringe san francisco rainbow fags. We just mind our own business.
>>516831585No. You failed basic human biology. At the moment of fertilization your chromosomes were determined to be either XY or XX, which determines your sex and gender to be either male or female. You have a wrong understanding, interpretation, and application of Natural Law. Human nature does not possess the ability to transform our chromosomes and physical body from that of a male to a female. Thus there is nothing natural about transgenderism, and therefore it is antithetical to Natural Law for humans. All transgenders that transition from male to female do so via drugs and surgery. Both of which are outside of the bounds of being natural.
>>516835585I didn’t group you together, your gay pride non profits did. It’s too late now, the lgbt movement includes gays and trannies.
>>516835475What I don't get is why they don't just change their "gender" instead of trying to change their biological form. Since "gender" is just ideas, like this tranny has taught me, that would obviously be a whole lot easier than to change your biology (which is impossible.)Also, how is not "gender" as per their own definition a massive argument against trooning out kids. Since "gender" is just expectations and attitudes, it stands to reason that the kid's "gender" can easily change as he grows up, so obviously nothing should be done to him.>>516835547>your chromosomes do not define you as a personWell, it defines whether you're male or female of course. Humans are a diploid species, we have two gametes, people are either male XY, or female XX.>or your gender.Sure, gender can be whatever you want. It's just an idea. You can be "man gender" or "female gender" or "crocodile gender" or whatever. Go ham."Gender" doesn't really matter or mean anything real.
>>516835475>They can pretend they're pretty girls or manly guys all they want,Their brain, since childhood, told them they are a girl in a man's body. That is a girl. Your brain is what creates you. It is the Id of humanity. You are a body without organs as Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari said.
>>516835420>>Can a child legally get tattooed? It's literally just ink under the skin, as opposed to chemical castration and osteoperosis at minimum.>Some states allow minors to get tattoos with parental consent actually.And those parents should be investigated for child abuse. At least tattoos are currently removable without harm, whereas missing key developmental milestones are not currently reversible. >>Form your own sportsball leagues. Stop stealing from women, dude.>Ok, has any Republican politician advocated legislation to do that? Can you find me one who will push for this?Why should it be legislated? Just Do It.>>Other, lesser mental disabilities and instabilities are already denied service.>No, most of the time they have waivers. Yet gender dysprosium does not, which is 100% politically drive and not the standard of the US army.Some disorders have waivers. Others do not. >>It's already an unacceptable burden on the public to care for prisoners beyond that which is required to keep them functionally alive.>US is regarded as one of the most inhuman prison systems on earth. You are basically just saying they aren't even human and should barely be kept alive. They have rights even in prison.Yes, the right to life, not a right to get elective treatments.>>I only wish to keep people alive, not enable their autogynephiliac fetishes.>By not providing GAC (gender affirming care) you are not keeping people aliveIs their condition actually impeding their life functions on its own, or is their not getting their way making them throw a 14 year old goth girl hissy fit in the bathtub?>>Fags already terrorized their way out of one of the previous DSMs. You lose your 2A rights if you're committed to an institution, without even a felony! That boat sailed.>I don't understand what you are saying here? are you advocating against 2nd amendment rights?Cherrypicking. Fags terrorized their way out of being called mentally ill. Trannies rode their coattails.
>>516835725>Since "gender" is just ideas, like this tranny has taught me, that would obviously be a whole lot easier than to change your biology (which is impossible.) changing biology at a cellular level. Its coming
>>516835782No, if you have XX chromosomes in every cell in your body, that's what makes you an actual girl.You being an XY man imagining you are a girl just makes you an XY man imagining you are a girl, i.e. a "girl gender."
>>516835782>That is a girlThat is a man with a mental disorder. No amount of makeup, dresses, hormones, or castrations will change that
>>516835782Dude, due to the toxic sluts I was around in my teens, I thought I could get pussy if I was a chick. Once I stopped hanging around the toxic sluts, the "dysphoria" ceased. Guess who went on to raise trannykids?Those toxic sluts.
>>516835718>the lgbt movement includes gays and tranniesThe first demonstrations at the white house in the 1960s was trans people. The people who took part in Stonewall were mostly trans women of color who were written out of history by cis white gay men.
>>516821873Transgenderism itself should be banned and anyone spreading it should be locked up or shot.
>>516835718Most gays and lesbians don't care for trannies, and consider them mentally ill like everyone else. Joe Exotic posted about this a while back - how he missed back in the 80s when there were just gays, lesbians and and cross-dressers who knew who they were
>>516835897Sounds like you agree with me then
>>516836168I don’t care
>>516835801>And those parents should be investigated for child abuse. At least tattoos are currently removable without harm, whereas missing key developmental milestones are not currently reversible.It is state law so how would they be investigated?>Why should it be legislated? Just Do It.Cause there was legislation to ban it, so why nothing to create new sports federations? Isn't that a bit hypocritical shits of you?>Some disorders have waivers. Others do not.Yet under the memo, if someone who has transitioned and is fully stable in their gender tries to enlist or serving will be discharged without a waiver. Yet someone with other conditions can get waivers. That's hypocrisy.>Yes, the right to life, not a right to get elective treatments.They are in prison and there is no way they could get GAC unless they were rich with private healthcare.>Is their condition actually impeding their life functions on its own, or is their not getting their way making them throw a 14 year old goth girl hissy fit in the bathtub?Allow GAC would reduce suicide rates among them. If you are indeed for right of life you would be advocating this.>Cherrypicking. Fags terrorized their way out of being called mentally ill. Trannies rode their coattails.Do you know what mental illness even is?
>>516836168Kek, I sort of feel bad for regular fags, having to carry these nutjobs.Then I remember that fags reproduce by molesting kids, so whatever.
>>516835922Had that been the case, Normies would never have seen the insanity for what it is. Worse yet they would sympathize with these globohomo retards
>>516836168>cross-dressersThose are not trans. There have been cross dressers forever. It was mostly conservatives who cross dressed in places like Victoria England. Why do you think Bugs Bunny did it? It is not a trans thing. It is a cis het thing.
>>516836424This, it's actually better to let the craziness play itself out a bit. Now that we know how mentally ill these people actually are, it's easier to regulate it in the future. Trannyism is obviously going to become illegal and taboo, which is a good thing.
>>516836424God, normies are dumb. Well I'm sure most of them would be fine with having it banned now.
>>516835718They should be grouped together. Since the progression of degeneracy started and progressed from feminism to civil rights to homosexual rights to LGBTQ+ rights. >>516835801They did not ride their coattails. It was part of their agenda from the beginning. They want the west to fall into rampant, open, and widespread degeneracy like Weimar Germany. If they are successful with the transgender agenda, then they will move onto pedophilia next. Forgot not that they had literal baby and child brothels in Weimar Germany at the height of their degeneracy. The 1972 Gay Rights Platform7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.https://archive.lgbt/wiki/index.php/Gay_Rights_Platform,_NCGO_(Record,_February_1972)
>>516821873the only thing you're going to dismantle is your functioning penis lol
>>516836556And the next generation is gonna be removing there eyes for robo eyes. Parents will do it to their kids because its not illegal yet. This shit is never gonna be regulated away. Its normal human behavior
>>516836338Sorry but if you're suicidal, you need to be institutionalized for your own well-being, not given tittyskittles/gonzospeak pills.
>>516836664>Sorry but if you're suicidal,I have a brother who is a former Army vet from Afghanistan and he is suicidal since he came back with PTSD. I guess he should be "institutionalized" and not given care or live? You see how you argument fell apart.
>>516836570I think we're hitting that point now, yes.>>516836658Bro, webm related is the level of robotech we're at. Our best gene treatment tried to cure the common cold and gave people blood clots instead. You're not getting robot eyes or superman genes.
>>516836658Globorobohomo is next on the chopping block, tranny. You anti-god freaks can only get so far
>>516836752If he's too weak to get help, and makes the attempt? Yes. >t. OIF/OEF vet who faced that abyss, and said no to its call
>>516821873go do your weekend homework
>>516836781Ehh i think ai will accelerate this sort of tech. I think you'll be surprised what we can do in 20 yearsBut even my crispr argument, crispr is now my man
>>516836845I don't worry about globorobohomo for a single second.
>>516836328And I don't care that you don't care. You do you and I'll do me. I won't try to run your life, and you won't try to run mine.
>>516836910Crispr was developed in the 1960s or thereabouts and haven't led to a single functional gene treatment. You're living in a fantasy world.
I love it how nobody in here managed to argue against anything in the OP. It's clear that we need to return to small limited government when it comes to trans issues.
>>516836845I aint afraid of you anon
>>516836886>If he's too weak to get help, and makes the attempt? Yes.He's doing better and got a job with the VA. So explain why the same SHOULDN'T be done for someone with gender dysprosia and suicidal? It's the same thing.
>>516836972No one here wants small limited government, and "gender" is just made up bullshit that means whatever.Children can't consent, stop saying they can, you creepy pedo.You belong in an asylum, where is where everyone thinks you should be.
>>516836917Then you're retarded. This is like in 2012 just after Obergefell saying you don't worry about transgenderism taught in schools. Stay vigilant
>>516837057It's not me you should be scared of, anon
>>516837170There are real issues to worry about. Surveillance, hormones in the water, jews... jews surveilling people who speak out against hormones in the water etc.I'm not going to worry about science fiction.
>>516837089>No one here wants small limited government,Ok I'll come into your house right now and tell you what to do? You now are prohibited from all cosmetic surgeries. Oh you can't join the military. Oh and you banned from sports. Oh and viagra is banned. You were saying?>Children can't consent,Children and animals can consent, it is not at the level of an adult, but it is consent at some level. Again it's a spectrum.
>>516822071Your prediction came true wtf
>>516837271Me and arnie are cool. Hes a cool dood
>>516837291>Ok I'll come into your house right now and tell you what to do?Well, not you, because you're obviously mentally ill. But sure, if sane people run society, I'll play along. I'm not an anti-social narcissist nutjob.>You now are prohibited from all cosmetic surgeries.Ok. That's fine by me.>Oh you can't join the military.Ok, nice. I was worrying how to dodge any potential draft.>Oh and you banned from sports.Who gives a shit about sports.>Oh and viagra is banned.Cool, I also think jew pharma should be banned. Let's ban vaccines next.>You were saying?No one here wants small limited government, and "gender" is just made up bullshit that means whatever.Children can't consent, stop saying they can, you creepy pedo.You belong in an asylum, where is where everyone thinks you should be.
>>516824738I thought the right was about being small or no goverment and little to no tax, with the state staying out of peoples' affairs.
>>516837170>This is like in 2012 just after Obergefell saying you don't worry about transgenderism taught in schools.Trans issues were being taught in schools since 1970, so you are way off.
>>516836972you didn't really present anything of note. Just the same tired man-in-a-dress weimar arguments. Come back when you faggots actually have half-decent neovaginas and reasonable facsimiles of cocks, instead of re-routed buttholes and frankenweiners. I'll even be charitable and concede that endogenous hormone production isn't a necessity for acceptance. Until then? You're all entitled brats playing pretend with the state backing up your delusions.>>516837082>He's doing better and got a job with the VA. So explain why the same SHOULDN'T be done for someone with gender dysprosia and suicidal? It's the same thing.I thought it was dysphoria?Anyway, the difference with your brother is he addressed the problem; his environment. In many cases of suicidal depression, it's an inability to cope with the environment.In the tranny's case, they can't demand others play pretend, so they have to adjust their internal environment. >>516837291>Children and animals can consent, it is not at the level of an adult, but it is consent at some level. Again it's a spectrum.Hans, der groß Holzhacksler. Danke.
You dont get special rights for being a delusional faggot, simple as
>>516837457>you're obviously mentally ill. No I'm a cis guy who just happens to support trans rights.>Ok. That's fine by me.Ok now all surgeries are banned, that means even ones that will save your life. Oh you have to use the women's toilet from now on, forever. And I will misgender you all the time.
>>516837650Youre right, everyone should be able to modify their children as they see fir
>>516837710>Ok now all surgeries are banned, that means even ones that will save your life. Oh you have to use the women's toilet from now on, forever. And I will misgender you all the time.Well, good thing you'll never be in charge of things then. The society you want sounds as mentally ill as you.
>>516837710I notice that the one time you didn't lie, you didn't call yourself heterosexual.
>>516821873>trans kidsI'm not reading the rest of your post. If you think anyone under the age of 18 should be allowed to mutilate themselves, dose themselves on hormones, and get cosmetic surgery you are a psycho.
>>516837710>rhinoplasty can save your lifelollmao
>>516837494Semantic-loving shill who needs to rely on an AI screenshot, top fucking kek>1970Not taught in public schools, learn to read>1991It's a guideline not a mandated cirriculum>2011This is where it started. These culture issues emanate from California before being adopted across the nation by progressive retards like you. Obergefell gave them the cover to push it hard
>>516837515>you didn't really present anything of note.>Just the same tired man-in-a-dress weimar arguments.A man in dress is a cisgendered man cross dressing. That is not a trans women.>Come back when you faggots actually have half-decent neovaginas and reasonable facsimiles of cocks, instead of re-routed buttholes and frankenweiners. I'll even be charitable and concede that endogenous hormone production isn't a necessity for acceptance.We are working on it, maybe you could more investment could be put into it from the billionaires like Musk or Bezos.>Until then? You're all entitled brats playing pretend with the state backing up your delusions.The whole point of my thread is the state is restricting trans people. You are saying the state is "backing". There is nothing backing, trans people existed. If there is a restriction, that restriction didn't exist thought all human history till now. Trans people simply want to go back to the previous state of being before restrictions.
>>5168379792011 is before obergefell v. hodges by 4 years. So I'm still right.
>>516838021>The whole point of my thread is the state is restricting trans people.As they should, and as they do to people with apotemnophilia as well. The idea that self-mutilatory mental illnesses can be treated by simply mutilating the afflicted is insane. It's like treating anxiety with a lobotomy.
>>516838097>semantic loving shillYes, yes very good well done you got me
>>516821873we have a legal scholar on our hands boys
>>516838169Lets be real people were only getting their wives lobotomized so they dont have to listen to their nagging no more
>trans kids from receiving gender affirming carefuck dude if only I had that stuff when I was a kid. kids now are so lucky
>>516838300Yes, and transition surgery is not much different.
>>516838345As ive been saying this whole time, normal human behavior. Its a thing we've always done. For whatever made up reasons. Convenience or to improve or just because your an idiot. Why should you be allowed to tell me what I can do to my kids
>>516838169>simply mutilating the afflicted is insane.not every trans person undergoes surgery and I said several times now, it's their body their choice. Do you understand what choice is?It goes back to the fundamental issue. You can believe whatever you want what trans issues, but when you start imposing your world views on trans people is where I draw the line.
>>516838489Well it's a good thing no one cares about the lines you draw, anon. Your worldview has been imposed upon us for over a decade, and now that the narrative has shifted you lot resort to crybullying. You'll start to understand once you see the precious pets you defend turn on you
>>516838483>Why should you be allowed to tell me what I can do to my kidsBut it's not about -your- kids, is it? It's about everyone else's kids.>>516838489>not every trans person undergoes surgeryThat's nice, but that's not what you're arguing for.>it's their body their choiceWhen they turn 18 it is. If you're not old enough to consent to sex why the fuck could you possibly be old enough to make a reasonable decision to transition? Insanity. P.S. I did very much enjoy how the same people who said "my body my choice" openly advocated for forced vaccination a few years ago. Mask came off real good during COVID didn't it?>when you start imposing your world views on trans people is where I draw the lineYou're the ones trying to impose your views on everyone else, and the fact you have turned that around and accused others of doing it is evidence you can not be trusted with yourself or others.
>>516821873if we can deny gun rights to pot smokers, we can deny them to you
>>516838860I want to make my children glow in the dark my dood. Why should i not be allowed to do this. Its not illegal and I think itll make my children better
>>516824738William F. Buckley said back in the 50s that the conservative movement would accept big government for the duration until communism is defeated.
>>516821873>BENIS
>>516821873Mentally ill humans do not have a right to play pretend, mutilate & poison themselves.
>>516838960>Its not illegalYet. Just wait until designer babies and bionic prosthesis become a thing. Shit's going to get really weird really fast.
>>516838777Your "solutions" are not helping anyone. You are making people more suicidal. You are child abusing trans kids by denying them puberty blockers and HRT that they desperately need. There is a literal trans genocide happening right now. (we are on the 7th stage of genocide btw) You are helping it.
>>516839084Thats why trans people is a pointless talking point. The real conversation is about a much broader transhumanism thing. The christcucks hate the idea of unnatural
>>516838953>if we can deny gun rights to pot smokers, we can deny them to youNeither should be denied. Read 2nd amendment.
>>516839193>The real conversation is about a much broader transhumanism thing.Everything should be left to individual choice. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that.
>>516839323Because they want to exert their will on others using authority. And I fucking hate that shit, they got no right to tell me whats good for my family
>>516839193>The real conversation is about a much broader transhumanism thing.You know damn well that conversation is gonna be less talking and more screeching. Even then, think about allowing kids to get chromed up: They're going to have to switch out their prosthetics every year like baby clothes. It'll create a massive industry capitalizing on constant purchase and trade-in, not unlike the therapy and cosmetic surgery industries cropping up around trans people. It'll be a fucking nightmare.
>>516839025>Mentally illThe DSM-5 criteria alongside the World Health Organization’s ICD-10/ICD-11 is what is used to classify mental illness in the US government and agencies. Those don't define gender dysphoria as a mental illness.
>>516839416banning stuff instead of learning about it is the cave man tier thinking and doesn't advance society or technology. Sure let's ban everything using that logic.
>>516839426Imagine if schizophrenics were allowed to bitch and cry until the DSM declassified them as a mental illness.>>516839530>banning stuff instead of learningThe only thing you're going to learn about chromed up kids is how it's very unwise to give children an arm that can crush concrete.
>>516839617Omg actually yes i want my children to be able to crush cars. Ill teach them to use that responsibly
>>516836781>webmLarry Fink was right.
>>516839723>Ill teach them to use that responsiblyIn return they'll teach you how to stop breathing by crushing your throat between two fingers.
>>516838860>When they turn 18 it is.>If you're not old enough to consent to sex why the fuck could you possibly be old enough to make a reasonable decision to transition? Insanity. P.S.Age of consent in some states if 16 and kids can consent to sex among other kids (not adults key word)>I did very much enjoy how the same people who said "my body my choice" openly advocated for forced vaccination a few years ago. Mask came off real good during COVID didn't it?No way saying you should do anything, but a vaccination would help prevent long covid and a proper mask n-95 would reduce viruses going into your system.>You're the ones trying to impose your views on everyone else, and the fact you have turned that around and accused others of doing it is evidence you can not be trusted with yourself or others.Everything in the OP is views being imposed on trans people, not the other way around. Trans people have never imposed their views on anyone, it's been cis people forever doing it.
>>516821873>GOP wants to ban trans kids from receiving gender affirming care>This is a violation of both individual rights of the child, parental rights and not small governmentTo pump experimental drugs into a child in order to sterilize them is literally child abuse.>GOP wants to ban trans people from using bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity public buildings>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentThis part is legally questionable in places like bars or restaurants, but for schools, large offices and public spaces the restrooms are required by OSHA to be separated by men vs women.>GOP wants to ban trans women from sports team in public education institutions>This is a violation of individual rights and not small governmentIt's a violation of women's federal rights to let men compete against them in sports>GOP wants to ban trans people from the US military, with no waivers or grandfather clause>This is a violation of individual rights, does not fit the standard application of discharges and waivers for conditions in the military, and not small governmentGender dysphoria is a known mental disorder and such illnesses often disqualify people from military service.>GOP wants to ban prisoners and children from receiving publicly funded gender affirming care>This is a violation of individual rights of the child, parental rights, and not small governmentElective procedures are not covered by inmate healthcare. For children, see above where this kind of elective treatment is endangering the welfare of a child hence illegal.
>>516839189I'm not falling for your trans child bullshit. Transgenderism is a mental disorder & further research needs to be done on how to effectively treat it a la Schizophrenia/Depression/etc. Munchausen syndrome need not apply>genocidedon't tickle my pickle like that anon, it's weird
>>516839789Unlike you anon my kids wouldnt kill me
>>516839804>Age of consent in some states if 16Then it's not my problem. I for one think the federal government was a fucking mistake and I lean very heavily toward the arguments of anti-federalists.>but a vaccination would help prevent long covid and a proper mask n-95 would reduce viruses going into your system.Yeah they say that, but I worked a gas station drivethrough for most of the pandemic. I didn't get vaccinated and I didn't catch the virus. Why? Because biology is my field of study and I practiced proper sterilization precautions when handling customers and product. Remember: We went from "you have to get the vaccine to stop it from spreading" to "it doesn't prevent transmission.">Trans people have never imposed their views on anyoneThat is all trannies have ever done you fucking liar. Fifteen years I've watched trannies roll into every public space and have anyone that disagrees with them on the subject ejected from those spaces.
>>516839814>To pump experimental drugs into a child in order to sterilize them is literally child abuse.No it's child abuse to not allow trans people to be correspond with their gender identity. That means access to HRT and puberty blockers. Those don't sterilize. >This part is legally questionable in places like bars or restaurants, but for schools, large offices and public spaces the restrooms are required by OSHA to be separated by men vs women.Good thing trans women are women and trans men are men.>It's a violation of women's federal rights to let men compete against them in sportsGood thing trans women are women.>Gender dysphoria is a known mental disorder and such illnesses often disqualify people from military service.The DSM-5 criteria alongside the World Health Organization’s ICD-10/ICD-11 is what is used to classify mental illness in the US government and agencies. Those don't define gender dysphoria as a mental illness.>Elective procedures are not covered by inmate healthcare. Why shouldn't they?
>>516839834>I'm not falling for your trans child bullshit.There are literal trans kids. Gen Z is like 5% trans compared to average population 1%.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocideTrans genocide is a real thing and it's happening. It needs to be stopped. It's been happening for a while now.
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>>516840143>and I practiced proper sterilization precautions when handling customers and product. Ok but it spread though the air, not though touching. That's other shit.>Remember: We went from "you have to get the vaccine to stop it from spreading" to "it doesn't prevent transmission."People are stupid, does that mean vaccines should be banned because people think vaccines are this magic thing that ends viruses. I got it, I knew it won't stop me from getting covid, but I didn't want long covid.>That is all trannies have ever done you fucking liar. Fifteen years I've watched trannies roll into every public space and have anyone that disagrees with them on the subject ejected from those spaces.It's called EEO (equal employment opportunity). It's really simple, show respect at work. Gender identity is a protected class. It was covered at my job. Granted I never had a trans co-worker, but you are supposed to treat them with the same level of respect as any other co-worker.
>>516840521>Ok but it spread though the air, not though touchingAs I recall it was made very clear that it persists on surfaces for many hours. Plus I wore a mask with a particulate filter, unlike retards that wore cloth masks that do jack-shit.>People are stupid, does that mean vaccines should be banned because people think vaccines are this magic thing that ends viruses.If I remember correctly the Johnson & Johnson one was, in fact, banned for a time due to causing embolisms.>I knew it won't stop me from getting covid, but I didn't want long covid.Then you took it pretty late in the cycle because during the rollout period it was asserted repeatedly that the vaccine was "100% safe and effective". A complete lie, which everyone knows was a lie now.>you are supposed to treat them with the same level of respect as any other co-workerIf I walked up to my co-workers and demanded they always refer to me as Santa Claus, how much respect would I get?
>>516821873>This is a violation of both individual rights of the child, parental rights and not small governmentChildren do not have rights. They are not allowed to own a gun, parents aren't allowed to prostitute them, sell them or murder them merely because they're not 18 yet.
I don't care about individual rights.
>>516831607>muh occupy wall streetWow, that tranny leftist shill campaign was actually effective for 20 year olds huh. How old are you?
>>516841051Murdering your kid, ehhhh abortions are fine for me desu. Just do it before theyre born
>>516840938>As I recall it was made very clear that it persists on surfaces for many hours. Plus I wore a mask with a particulate filter, unlike retards that wore cloth masks that do jack-shit.I both cleaned and wore an N-95 respirator mask as I also knew, like you, cloth mask don't do jack shit. I worked in a pharmacy with old people so I had to make sure things were clean so people didn't die. We probably saved alot of lies from covid and flu those years. You and I agree on that. Maybe the government should have educated the public on this instead of vague as shit like "wear a mask".>I walked up to my co-workers and demanded they always refer to me as Santa Claus, how much respect would I get?That is a strawman to what is being discussed here. Would you call a cis women who is a co-worker a "sir"?
>>516841051>They are not allowed to own a gun,Some do actually>parents aren't allowed to prostitute them, True that is pimping and illegal.>sell them or murder them merely because they're not 18 yet.are you seriously comparing that to a trans child wanting to receiving gender affirming care that THEY WANT? So I'm autistic, would you argue I shouldn't get special needs education growing up? Again something I was born with, same as trans. It's the same shit.
>>516832254>changes the goalpostskek. Ok so it its just a discussion of gender identity and gender is a social contruct, why do they need to identify as female? Can't they just wear skirts, put on make up and get fucked up the ass? Why must they insist they are biologically women and self mutilate themselves?
>>516841208>Maybe the government should have educated the public on this instead of vague as shit like "wear a mask".The government, specifically Trump, signed the papers that bought the vaccine for about $20 each. They're the not the last people I would trust to educate anyone about anything, the last being big pharma, but they're second to last. Plus I wouldn't rely on Trump to know anything about microbiology any more than I'd trust my Boomer father on the subject.>That is a strawman to what is being discussed here.No Anon it's a reductio ad absurdum.>Would you call a cis women who is a co-worker a "sir"?I don't take political shit to work. Ever. I have a job and if that job is to look at a man and call him a woman I'll do it. I'm not that desperate to be unemployed.
>>516841155It started off as a non partisan protest movement. It quickly got infiltrated, corrupted, poisoned by leftist idpol, and then it got smothered to death. Now, we can never try and regulate the financial services sector ever again. We are all to busy arguing over troons, women, niggers, illegal immigrants, and other superficial culture war distractions. Thanks a lot, CIA and woke faggots who took the bait
>>516841493The populists from both the right and left need to work together to form a 3rd party. Its the only way out
>>516841354>Ok so it its just a discussion of gender identity and gender is a social contruct, why do they need to identify as female?Why do they NOT? That's the question. You can't prove a negative.>Can't they just wear skirts, put on make up and get fucked up the ass?Some do, some don't. You are strawmanning maxamus today. >Why must they insist they are biologically women and self mutilate themselves?They are women if they were born trans and identify as women.The gender affirming care is if they choose to engage in it is to conform with their body.I ask again, these are individual choices. Why do you hate individual choices?
>>516841456ok so we agree on everything. Glad that's settled with you anon.
>>516840264Best thing you troons have going for you is the suicide rate and the ongoing "genocide". So what's your point?
>>516841348>are you seriousy comparing Yes. Children do not have rights. How is giving children hormones any different then letting a child eat candy for dinner every night because they want to? You are such a fucking retard that you would argue that when a parent doesn't let their 10 year old eat donuts every day despite identifying as a fatass, its apparently child abuse.
>>516841709How much do they pay you per post? Or maybe the DSA will give you some kind of scout badge for "owning the fascists"
My problem isn't you thinking there are two genders who thinking trans women are men, my issue is with when it comes to pronouns specifically in a work environment. The issue is social policy by the government which is different.
>>516841829>ok so we agree on everythingObviously not, since you skimmed right over the fact I'd be fired for disagreeing with trans people about the subject as if it weren't there and we weren't just talking about it.
>>516841637maybe? but they need to de-emphasize the toxic culture shit. people need to be mature enough to set that shit aside and ignore it. there aren't enough of those people around, unfortunately!
>>516841845>Children do not have rights.YES THEY DO, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS ADULTS, BUT THEY HAVE RIGHTS! ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS AS WELL ARE YOU STUPID?>How is giving children hormones any different then letting a child eat candy for dinner every night because they want to?I see we strawmanning again. a TRANS child is what we are talking about anon.>You are such a fucking retard that you would argue that when a parent doesn't let their 10 year old eat donuts every day despite identifying as a fatass, its apparently child abuse.When did I argue that? I find American average "diet" to be disgusting.
>>516841493>It started off as a non partisan protest movement. It quickly got infiltrated, corrupted, poisoned by leftist idpol, and then it got smothered to death.Nope, I was actually alive and cognizant when it happened. You've been fed complete bullshit about the movement. The protest from day one was conducted by college students. Do I even really need to tell you how college students felt about political issues. Yes, even in 20011. The ID pol shit you pretend never existed before that movement in fact did exist very heavily and has since the 60's minimum but really much further back than that. >it was destroyed by idpolThis isn't true either. It fella apart because within a month it became joke. The entire protest ended up just becoming homeless encampments. It didn't disband because of idpol, it disbanded because homeless people took it as an opportunity to create camp zones back when trespassing was actually enforced. I know this will blow your little mind away but back before occupy wall street there were no such thing as homeless encampments. At least not in major cities. Literally the only contribution that movement ever made was making homeless camps socially acceptable and part of every day life in American cities. Thanks!
>>516841709>Why do they NOTBecause its just a social construct. >some do some don'tNo, its pretty obvious they all want to be biological women. >you are whatever you identify asFactually incorrect.
>>516841983>fired for disagreeing with trans people about the subject"subject" what are you saying here? I already told you my position >>516841948I don't think you are gonna be talking about two genders to a trans co-worker. I'm saying pronouns and misgendering is part of work place harassment training anon. I spent time as an assistant store manager and I took HR cases very seriously.
>>516842227>It fella apart because within a month it became joke.It fell apart because Obama ordered the cops to crack down on it over the course of 2 months.
>>516842090Its why I want to shift the narrative off of trans people to transhumanism. If thats now the talking point, theyll be mad about that and trans people wont have to be so crazy
>>516821873>historically stood forThe Republican Party that spoke that way died in 2012, the actual Republican Party that acted that way never existed.
>>516842156>YES THEY DOProve it>muh strawmanNo its an valid argument. If its child abuse to not give your child hormones, then its child abuse to not give your child candy for breakfast. Oh but wait. if it should be legal to give your child hormones, then it should be legal to give them alcohol. >when did I argue thatWhen you argued that children have self autonomy enough to permanently damage and fuck up their life.
>>516842374>I already told you my positionYour assertion was, and I quote: "Trans people have never imposed their views on anyone." I can not use pronouns they don't like because I am under threat of being fired at work. Ergo, they are imposing their views on me.
>>516842317>Because its just a social construct.If it's a social construct, that means they can.>No, its pretty obvious they all want to be biological women.Ok and? They were born that way to identify as a biological women.>Factually incorrect.Do you identify as a human?
>>516842227tell me your a shill without actually telling me you're a shill. fucking kek!you had me for a moment, but that last little bit about how homeless encampment never existed before Occupy was the biggest hint. You're either trolling hard or a fucking shill. Either way, you can't be taken seriously. Everything else you posted was bullshit revisionism
