Honestly when you think about everything for a second wouldnt literally everyone here prefer real left wing politics; no woke bullshit?Literally everyone here dislikes jews, yet jews openly run the republican party? Everyone hates illegals yet republicans employ them en masse and even trump is backtracking now, no one wonders why huge farming corporations dont have their CEO sent to prison for employing illegals? Lol. We hate muslims for being right wing conservatives and say their values dont fit in our society, and then you go out to vote right wing conservative? Wouldnt you love muslims/black males/latin american males, they are conservative right wing..? Theres is no consistency in right wing rethoric at all nowadays? They cause everything then cry about it and blame the (non existent in US) left. Here in western europe the right has been importing cheap labor since the 50s and the left desperately tried to stop it over and over again. See the current immigration crisis; right wing jews killing off the last commies (gadaffi&assad) and causing a global immigrant crisis, meanwhile the left voted against this consistently. Had we followed the lefty line we would have no muslim invasion in the west and basically every other problem like climate bullshit would not exist because we'd have arrested oil CEOs in the 60s for creating fraudulent reports on climate change etc etc etc. Can go on for hours. Inb4; 0 replies because mossad.
>>516859923That pic was made by an idiot.
>>516859923>veryone here prefer real left wing politics;the most retarded thing on earth is left wing financal politics which causes much financial problems. look at greece, spain, france ... really happy with my righ wing financial politics in my country, we are more stable
>>516859923"all over a guy that never dies"because it's chozen
>>516860193You realise the financial politics is what caused mass immigration right? I mean if you enjoy the muslim population in the west I understand. But ive never heard a right winger say he likes them being here. Also right wing policy = steal and jew as much as possible and then run off and let someone else fix it. Thats why every government is now in deep debt. Greece literally got fleeced by jew bankers lol. France is very right wing country on most subjects so idk. Last few presidents were all right wing.. spain has been a mess since their right wing dictatorship so idk.
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>>516860065Keep in mind the left was against big companies? They prefers small businesses that sources local products that’s harvested substantially. We would had more glasses, wood, and clay products thought we would had to genetic engineering a plant to replaces cotton for fibers. There’s others like cottonwood seed fluffs but they ain’t long enough fibers.
>>516859923>Trump far rightOkie dokie
>>516860065Even trump is speeding up bringing the rich back to blue cities after leftist get muzzled and declawed. The cities democrat politicians grew a spine by 2022 and rejected our requests to change office spaces into apartments/small stores/small businesses instead of playgrounds for the rich. Big stores are unrealistic as they have so much products and few staffs to patrols to protects against shoplifters. After looking at big cities worldwide I had to agree that small stores works better in downtown regions.
>>516862053Well the way trump threaten the left frequently enough.
>>516859923trump is a moderate centrist
>>516862053Trump posed with a flag once. Proceeds to call all trannies terrorists and mental health patients that need their constitutional rights taken away. How is that not "far" right? Lol. Get real buddy.
>>516862053It’s like far left is very intolerable of republicans. Shrug.
>>516859923Because it's funded by billionaires. Duh
>>516862294>How is that not "far" right?Oh I don't know, just judge him by his actions instead of his gay rhetoric
>>516859923>WokeYep.>Real leftYep, now right wing in practice though.>No jewsNop, turns out it was the muslims.>Illegals let inYep.>Illegals employedNope, natural result of the first; companies cannot afford to pass up on an available resource unless all do so. Or they end up taken over by the less scrupulous; ergo purely a government al failure of tolerating the invasion.>Muslims pretending to be conservativesHa.Hysterical dress wearing faggots with Ero integrity.Even the commies will turn on them in time.You're not fully wrong, just unwilling to look honestly at the islamic core of the issues.
>>516862294trannies are literally mentally ill people who are more unstable and prone to political violence than any other grouptransgenders need help and putting them in institutions by force is the only way they can be helped
>>516859923Bruh in what world is bush right, dude was centrist/left.
>>516859923>everyone right of Stalin is a naziIt's funny when they admit the meme is true.
>>516859923left/right is relative to the status quo, not whatever arbitrary point this nigger decided to pick so he can place a self-described socialist in the center.He also does not seem to understand that both reps and dems have moved to the left on every single cultural issue under the sun, and with the exception of taxes we live in the most regulated economies in Western history
>>516862500What is the islamic core? Honest question. Cause all I see is a conservatives wet dream when I observe shitholes like saudi arabia. Its literally what most people are calling for (on 4chan) luckily our country is pretty based on christiancuckery. Still insane how in 2025 anyone in the west can be an unironic christian lol.
>>516862537So now you want socialist healthcare and gun control? Come on, you prove my point. Theres no logical consistency in the current right wing rethoric.>>516862565
>>516862500I’m already turning on Muslims. They wasn’t as efficient as I thought. It will take longer for the rest.
>>516862294> supported gay marriage publicly even before Obama, Hillary, and BidenWow, he doesn't like trannies? I guess Obama was a far right fascist in 2010
>>516862565Trump is repeating Bush strategies to intimidate and break the left.
>>516859923Trump is Right, not Far Right. The Far Right isn't allowed to exist on the public stage because its a extreme threat to Jews. Far Left is allowed to exist along as it meanders with words and avoids certain topics. They are also heavily emotional and mentally ill so it's hard to quell them.Far Right is anti-immigration(legal and illegal)Far Right is nationalistic and ethno-centric.Far Right is not pro-human it's pro-X. X is what they see as the group that should be focused on to sustain and thrive. There really isn't much Far Right. The most powerful public Far Right figure is somehow Nick Fuentes and he is just a podcasters. In both Far Left and Far Right there is understanding the Israel needs to be destroyed while everything between is zogged.
>>516862731Obama is literally a far right facist lol. Look at how he handled the 07-08 crisis. Look at him cracking down on tranny manning&snowden. Guy murdered a milion+ commies in libya&syria. He should be a right a wing icon he prolly got the most commie kills since vietnam.
>>516862294Far Right wants them dead, Trump wants to get them help. It's hate vs tolerance. Trump tolerates them but wants them to change. They should be killed though.
>>516862731Nixon created EPA. Then parts of libertarian ideologies get incorporated in Republican Party by 1980s which is why they changed. The theory is since USA is stuck with two parties systems compared to EU they tend to cannibalizes and absorbs other ideologies in order to win against the opposite party.
>>516862876He pardoned the tranny lmao.
>>516862963Eventually yea. After nearly pushing the tranny to suicide and extensive torture.
>>516862653> shitholes like Saudi ArabiaIf you ignore a European-level living standard, free healthcare (actually free, funded by oil, not my taxes), zero taxes for citizens, state-sponsored higher education anywhere in the world and low crime rates, then yes, absolute shithole mate
>>516859923>right>leftholy brainlet
>>516859923Pretty based. Immigration is not the root cause of problems, but it is caused by problems, problems which everyone should be against (our retarded Capitalist economy relying on cheap labour). Had we listened to the radical left, dealt with Capitalism, and it's armed tactic of military imperialism destroying the world, we wouldn't have a migrant crisis. There would be fewer problems for reactionary dickheads on the right to milk endlessly for their own opportunistic purposes *cue Farage*
>>516862963So technically this post is wrong about far right then? Far right is only if extreme intolerable of anything leftwinger like McCarthy witch-hunts. But actual politics? Even the center can be very intolerable then?
>>516859923you retarded nigger it's called being right wing socially and politically and left wing economically, read a fucking book.
>>516862876Bad bait, didn't read past the first sentence
>>516863066Yea and ignore the fact you got no rights and can never move up the social ladder and- yes so exactly as right wing conservatives want. A hellhole where you can never speak your mind and are full on property of a single rich family who claims to be chosen by god. And if you are a woman its even worse lol.
>>516863205Nah just open discussions.
>>516859923Faggots haven’t met the people n the far right yet
>>516863228Ok so:1. My life is amazing and the state bankrolls my life with zero taxes on my end BUT2. I can't speak against how amazing my life is and can never become a sheikh or whateverOh the horror. I wish I lived in a "free" democracy so I can be inundated with niggers and not be able to afford a house. Putting having a good life over political rights that give you exactly zero power is peak libtard delusion
>>516863374Im literally on a far right forum this very second. None of you can refute anything I say and keep coping.
>>516862710Marx didn't even support gun control you retarded pseudo-commie
>>516863493because you're retarded and don't understand that economic policy is different from social policy which is different yet from political structure
>>516863468You keep ignoring the fact this counts for the ruling class ahahahah. Have you ever been to KSA? Or any middle eastern country for that matter? Most people live like they did in the 1400s. Just like in eastern european countries pre communism. Vast majority is part of the peasant class that works 60h a week for pennies. You are confusing old gadaffi libya with slaver KSA.
>>516863374Then you gotta start debating then. After all half of this forum had expressed extreme intolerance of anything leftwinger then.
>>516859923>LEFF DINDU NUFFIN!!Literally you....
Even china has left and right wings
>>516863637Again you cant refute a thing I say, just keep saying vague shit and owning yourself lol. Or engage or accept that your reasoning has 0 logic and post in an echo chamber thread. There are plenty of those on /pol/.
>>516863686you need to work on your english
>>516863768name a single point you have made, what is your thesis
>>516863848Muslim invasion into europe is a 100% right wing created problem, if you vote right wing in Europe you are pro immigration. Right wingers shouldnt complain about mexicans because A; right wing imports and employs them. B; you have the same social norms as them.
>>516863493> Keeps being presented with arguments> "You guys just keep coping"Keep telling yourself that
>>516864035The other way around. You got no arguments you just keep proving my point of right wingers being delusional. You literally call saudi arabia a near paradise. Get real.
>>516863821Nope you gotta works on your debate skills. After all from our perceptions you are very intolerable of anything left-wingers from unions, healthcare, equal rights, and on.
>>516863671> Most countries> Vast majorityWe are talking about Saudi Arabia, because you said it was a shithole. "Haha this counts for the ruling class!" empty statement. Literally why should I care. Oh no I am ruled competently but I can't rubberstamp the next preselected sockpuppet #1 or sockpuppet #2 in the heckin electionrinhoYou keep saying that everyone here is coping, yet you yourself can't address the fact that the country you called a shithole is an amazing place to live, and all you can do is cope, with things like "muh political rights" and "muh ruling class".You lost, lmao
>>516859923Neo-con isn't "right wing politics", retard. And it was Bongo that killed off gadaffi and ignited the syrian civil war. Take your meds and shut the fuck up.
>>516863986the last time I checked, it was Trump's evil Nazi fascist literally Hitler ICE agents booting illegals and the left screeching and malding about it, to the point of shooting at them in Texas. Those were trannies shooting up the detention center btwyou are such a fucking retard im wondering if your yard wrangler knows you're on the internet without permission
>>516859923Well the Nazi's were left and/pol/ seems to love them
>>516864253Its an amazing place to live for a tiny % of the population everyone else is a literal slave with 0 rights. Which indeed proves my point; thats the goal of right wing conservatives; a clear distinct between the rulers and the plebs. Basically a feudal system. The fact you keep calling it great fuels my point. Why does the right wing have a problem with muslims if you have the same goals and ambitions for your society?
>>516859923Trump is a moderate by 2025 standards. Most of us are frustrated that he’s not going far enough.
>>516864487.Nazis were not Left.
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>>516859923.>Why the Right still lives.Thank Hitler.
>>516864428Bongo. You mean the right wing leader who bailed out the bankers jailed the commies in his own countries and slaughtered the last true commie in the world (gadaffi). You realise that o'bomber would be far right in every western european country... right?
>>516859923I agree, look at North Korea with zero immigration, South Korea is fucked, feminist and old
>>516864517> Everyone else is a literal slaveNot at all actually. As I said, the living standard of the median citizen is comparable to Europe, their healthcare and education are 100% covered, and they do not pay taxes. The only "slaves" in that country are the small percentage of unregistered workers imported from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh who get treated like slaves (GOOD), while citizens live a life where all their needs are covered.It even has a high youth unemployment rate because all the Saudi zoomers just keep chilling on welfare provided by the nation's oil.Now here is the moment where you ignore everything I just said, and start the cycle again with "B-BUT they can't vooote!!1" because that's all you can do to pretend that Saudi Arabia is not a nation-sized welfare resort for everyone who isn't from India lmfao
>>516863986You are completely ignoring the fact that the primary advocates for immigration are leftist organizations campaigning for them on a human rights platform. The right wing certainly enjoys the benefits of illegal immigrant labor reducing the price of labor in the market, so they generally don't do anything about it. There is no anti-immigrant voice in the left wing in europe or in america because to them it is marketed as a social issue in which you are a good person to allow them to enter your country so they can live a better life. To the right it is marketed as both a social and an economic issue in which socially they change the culture of your country and economically they lower your wages. This is odd because the left normally advocate for worker's interests, however on this point they refuse to acknowledge the economic part of the equation and only recognize the social aspect which they believe makes them morally superior. So, to your point (A), there isn't a single left wing organization which is against immigration.Every single anti-immigration group in europe has been labeled a far-right extremist organization and some are even designated as terrorist organizations by the US government (Nordic Resistance Movement). The heart of anti-immigrant sentiment is the cultural impact it is having on people. Our cities are less clean, less safe, and we no longer feel at home. That is the message that is turning canadians against indians. It is the same in the US, some areas are now indistinguishable from latin america, e.g. Miami. So your point (B) is completely false, they do not have the same culture and social norms that we do.
>>516864685nahhe is far lefthe flooded usa with zillions fo africans aka non whitesand ran up debt to 28t from 7t of all previous president combinedhe was monkey with credit cardeven your lefty politicians dont want ot flodo white countries that bad and kill suburbs
>>516860376The mass immigration is caused by the west destabilizing brown countries and then propagandizing the world in to believing life here is way better. The left stance on this is generally "stop fucking with other nations"
>>516864822What if they were centrists? Or moderates?
>>516864805You clearly dont know anything about saudi arabia literally half the people have no rights purely based on their gender. And again thats what right wing conservatives want and call it paradise. Again; its a feudal system from the 1400s, no one sane would want that for themselves only if you are in the delusion you would belong to the upper class.>>516864822Actually in europe where we still have socialist parties; they beg for the end of immigration constantly (in my country their track record starts in the 50s and they consistently voted against it, only right wing parties voted for this and this happens to this very day lol, people just dont look at voting history of the parties they vote for, for example our far right party PVV has consistently voted to import more). Also in America the dems are not about open borders they are about treating immigrants more humanely lol. Obama deported more than anyone.. But you can always see easily if something is left or right; employ illegals and walk off scott free= right. Imprison/deport the illegals= right. Deport the illegal and imprison the boss= left wing. The latter never happens. Same with drug crime or any other.
>>516865714After all bringing in immigrants puts a strain on the existing system, disrupts it, and creates conflicts instead of working to solves it.
Here's a quick guide on the whole "left vs right" thingsocially:>left wing means equality of everything regardless of quantifiable differences, rejection of tradition, and including outsiders as equals regardless of merit>right wing means following tradition, maintaining a country's culture, promoting the wellbeing of traditional families and gender roles, and excluding outsiderseconomically:>left wing means a more equal distribution of resources, with marxism taking it to the retarded extreme that nobody should own anything and then we can all be equally starving to death. national socialism still allowed private property and being able to earn more money based on merit, but it kept people from becoming rich at the expense of everyone else.>right wing means a less equal distribution of resources with anarchocapitalism being the retarded extreme in which people can monopolize the entire economy and completely destitute underclasses forming is actually a good thing because muh free market and it doesn't count as oppression if it's a private company doing it. The best example of this would be America in the late 1800s to early 1900s where unbridled capitalism and little regulation led to the railroad, steel and oil fortunes that ended up causing the first round of billionaires to exist. Workers had no rights and there was no OSHA and most people stayed poor but a few people got extremely rich.politically:far left is anarchy and far right is authoritarian dictatorshipdemocracy is a mess and has failed
>>516865714>Also in America the dems are not about open bordersthis is a lie, but please tell me more about my country.
>>516865714Ok so just as I predicted, you ignored my argument entirely and went back to "muh rights" - coping after losing this hard lmao
>>516865932you're arguing with an actual retardit's pointless, they arent trying to debate, they want to throw shitloads at the wall to see what sticks... kind of like the shit smeared hovels his family in India lives in
>>516863228Women aren’t people
>>516862003They don't support anything because CIA kills them.
>>516865932Last time I checked trump finished obamas wall which was bush's wall which was actually bill clintons wall. I cant find anyone calling for open borders? Dems deported more than repubs. Cause why would repubs deport their cheap workers?
>>516859923>the left desperately tried to stop it over and over againYet when right wing parties tried to stop it the left demonized and attacked them. Pictured is the attack on the Centrum Democraten party meeting in Kedichem 1986 which resulted in two people being heavily wounded.
>>516866112My argument is; right wingers want a hellhole like saudi arabia. And you start argueing how much you want saudi arabia and how amazing it is. And then think you won the debate? Literally proves my point.>>516866133Yet cant refute a thing I say.>>516866157Yea like I said. You share their ideology so how can you say their ideology doesnt fit in your society? You also confirmed my point..
>>516862003>Keep in mind the left was against big companies? They prefers small businessesYou clearly don't know anything. The real far left position is for all production to be under one entity administered by the government. This is what actual socialism means. Learn a goddamn thing about the world you live in.
>>516863768His post was literally refuting things you said. No one can help you if your response to counter information is “la la la I can’t hear you,” nigger.
>>516863228under a king we would be much much much richer
>>516866375I already have and you ignored it.I'm out, especially since you are straight up making shit up, like this >>516866192
>>516859923Because the left is gay. Kill your gays and we'll become left wing.
if we had democracy1 jew be dead2 orc inc mik wop rican be deported3 women be in kitchenthe idea of letting women vote when they produce nothing and actually negatively affect white men in groups producing cool objects is insanedemocracy is a lieracism is a lie
>>516866212Sounds pretty based. Never heard about this though. Gotta read on it. But yea. Again look at voting history. Only the SP voted against it. If we followed the SP line we would literally have 0 morrocans 0 turks 0 syrians etc etc. We only wouldve had indo's&anti's which sadly is the debt we have to carry. But now we have to carry americas debt in the form of a milion+ muslims in our country.
>>516859923There are no right winger politicians involved in American politics
>>516859923>Can go on for hourspls do not. theres absolutely nothing of value here, in your in head, nor in your thread. utter drivel.you sound like one of those """enlightened""" communists who finally looked up what third position is, and finally realized thats what you are. just another authoritarian retard with more bad ideas. as if we were running out. stop talking
>>516866445Where?>>516866477Yea idk. Our royalty eats about 1bilion a year from our budget. They also skim % of every trade deal ever. We also have realistic estimates of them dodging 10bil a year in taxes. Our previous queen literally had the most expensive art collection totalling over 5bilion and that was in the early 80s. All knowledge of this is whiped now ofcourse just like all their wealth being hidden. They are the only royalties who are legally allowed to hide their wealth some put their wealth at 600bilion btw. Which would still be low considering they are skimming one of the richest countries on the planet.
>>516866415That's why Democrats take more corporate dollars lol
>>516866746You are probably right. The SP still focussed on their core demographic were the blue collar workers.
>>516867360SP literally called every modern problem since ww2 and consistently gave realistic solutions. Theres a reason they are never allowed to join a cabinet and then get flamed for never joining a cabinet looool. Its typical school ground bully shit. Yet voters fall for it
>>516866375>one tenet>shared ideologyEven for an internet retard you are one embarrassing fucking retard
>>516863154Brownoids are attracted to white areas like moths to a flame. Nothing to do with capitalism or imperialism just a simple fact that without walls and border patrol the barbarians will always flood into civilized areas and ruin everything
>>516867104Where he explained that you conflate several concepts as though they aren’t distinct, incorrectly. Your response to this was >that didn’t happen, he didn’t say that Bizarre
>>516863154It’s alarming people here are so clueless about the most basic tenets of everything. There aren’t borders under “true communism” because there’s no state
>>516865932Technically the rich capitalists win. Why do you think 99% of political violences are centered around blue states/blue cities? Left vs left. Right and centrist allied vs left, and more.
>>516865848That’s why it’s so hard to figure out how to stabilizes things. The invasion of homeless and Druggies in San Francisco was to try to pry the rich out of there since disruption to their workforce forces them to leave in theory. But by 2022 the forces allied and turned the tides against the left.
>>516867609Literally everything people call for is part of islam. Because retards dont understand how islam is the upgraded version of the christian faith. All written by jews ofc. But the Quran basically clears all issues leaders had with the christian faith and removed all room for debate (ofc they later added hadiths but the Quran itself calls the hadiths work of the devil). Its also how I red pilled my christian neighbors here. I mean they still go to church but they got a lot more "woke" after spending some bbqs at my place. Its amazing how much conversation can do if you trust each other. Its the advantage of growing up tobreal socialist feminists and not modern woke bullshit. My mother hates woke with a burning passion and gets angry for protesting in the 60s just for these idiots to hijack this shit.
>>516859923Good Morning ESL Shill. American English is a reading context clue language. Human communication itself is based on understanding and context. "Right" and "Left" are used in the context of the current political atmosphere and specific to that country. What I'm saying is you are a massive retard and your premise is flawed to begin with. >But bro Democrats aren't REAL LEFTWINGERSWell that's the "Left" to us. Talking about a political party in another country or era is a complete waste of time and intellectually dishonest. So do democrats want to deport the illegal brown people in the here and now? Because I've not heard a major political party figure in the last few election cycles talk about that. Please show me and I'll admit you are right. Only correct answer is an American Democrat showing me they want to deport the browns. Not a historical reference or another country. Pro-tip: You are now BTFO and will now get the fuck off the board.
>>516865848>left wing means a more equal distribution of resources, with marxism taking it to the retarded extreme that nobody should own anythingYour diet of propaganda has made you fat and retarded. Even commies don't believe this.
>>516866174Yup. CIA/FBI disrupts them. That’s why they were ranting about corrupt CIA/FBI under Biden while we was trying to restores leftist to the areas we have.
>>516866415That was communism. There are different types otherwise small businesses would had thrive in Red states by now and I never saw that. It depends on how long republicans controls the Feds for now I guess.
>>516867183They take them since corporates try to slips a noose on the left. Controllable left is profitable for corporates than the real left.
>>516860376jews, anon. jews caused mass immigration.
>>516868230Fair point. Indeed americas baseline is already pretty far right. So obama would be far right in europe but indeed centerl eft in america. Tbh I have never heard a democrat call for open borders and historically they deport more. Their marketing style differs so indeed they dont call for it. But its the same in europe, everyone talks shit but them vote pro cheap illegal labor when push comes to shove; except for the socialists.
>>516868595And jews are??? Ah yes right wing conservatives(hence why repubs love them so much). Thats my entire point.
>>516860065fpbp /thread
>>516868450No that's socialism. Communism is some fairytale where all productive capacity is held truly in common, directly administered by 'the people' and there is no class distinction, a state no one has ever attained but I'm sure people will continue to believe in.Both are the reductio ad absurdum of the thinking behind the liberal revolutions of the 18th-19th centuries, based on faulty premises and outright lies ('the stare of nature' 'the social contract' 'monopoly on violence' etc etc etc).
>>516859923Trump is a moderate
>>516866415After all you tell me why Miami-Dale out of all of Florida biggest cities have more registered republicans than registered democrats. The information is on their website. And Miami is hardly a great city for small businesses.
>>516869147That’s why you have to realize we had been going around in circles making the same arguments and getting nowhere. A lot of problems can be traced back to the rich folks themselves but we hadn’t found any real good strategies to counter them.
>>516869177Whose right wing and whos far right then? But now I understand how people can call nazi facist obama a socialist if you call trump a moderate.
>>516869147I think none of us want China form of capitalism. Just a better system in place to reduces conflicts and on.
>>516869147That’s why it had been frustrating. It feel like the centrists/moderates in both parties wants USA to be like China with mega companies bigger than anything USA ever had.
>>516869214Miami is full of Cuban emigres, who have found some sort of electoral home in the republican party because of international politics and the Castro regime. How is small business doing in Cuba, by the way? They certainly aren't Republicans, anyway.Miami is truly a horrific city, probably should not exist, and I am not going to defend it in any case. I am sure there are many small businesses there but I have no interest in them or the internal politics there. I live in a red state and small business is everywhere (some big business as well—mostly auto industry stuff).>>516869511>A lot of problemsWhat problems? There certainly are problems but you have to be more specific. The existence of 'rich folks' is not a problem in itself.>>516870050>I think none of us want China form of capitalism.On the contrary, I think the arc of history is leaning towards 'China form of capitalism' at all ends. We see western countries no matter what their political orientation moving towards more and more mercantilist economic philosophies, the demise of the free trade era, more economic intervention. History is long and crazy but 'oriental despotism' is a near constant throughout. This isn't an endorsement of anything, just an observation. Just as China moved 'west' from Revolutionary Communism, the west seems to be drifting asymptotically towards the east.
>>516870831I admits I don’t travel to red states too much. All I hears is red states are the best for businesses yet why are all the big businesses in blue areas? I agree Miami is the playground of the rich and it had been on an unusual long lucky streak when it comes to the rolling of the dices of chances for hurricanes.
>>516870831Beside I live in Minnesota which is considered blue leaning yet are seeing quite some businesses popping up but I hadn’t been to even higher% of liberals blue states in even longer so I don’t know what’s going on anymore.
>>516867104because u are forced to buy into democracy aka jew paraiste ruleunder king just amke 100 rooms per white malekilll jewboot orc inc mik wopwomen in kitchenflibe.com and 9p.io replace big tek and oil
>>516859923do people unironically think trump is far right? he has basic bitch middle of the road centrist views
>>516872005Eh... a monarchy is literally the jewish endgame. Democratic socialism is the jews biggest fear. Because theyll lose everything they've collected for the past 1000+ years overnight lol. Hell we'll even force their churches to pay property tax or get taken and sold.
>>516869040jews are on both sides. have you been in a coma?
>>516872395Jews control the woke opposition yea. But the end game is a right wing religious feudal tier government. Where the jews own everything and we are allowed to rent it. So the opposite of socialism really.
>>516859923Far right: MeRight: /pol/Center: Hitlerleft: trump, steve miller, pat buchanan far left: george bush, joe biden, bernie, stalin, mao
>>516872095Well trump is very intolerable of classic liberal ideologies.
>>516859923The people who reproduce like social Conservatism. The Right provides that.
>>516859923it's fucking remarkable that the CIA has convinced these morons that they aren't communist Brennan was literally a member of the US Communist Party lolthe left has been just constant revisionism and gaslighting for the last two decades
>>516873196No the right creates 2 classes with 0 mobility. Its literally the biggest cancer and nepotism always leads to a nations downfall. We need merit based wealth not family based wealth.>>516872666Based, and ultra based digits.
How it actually is>far rightWhite European ethnostate enthusiasts>right/pol/>centerCharlie Kirk>leftTrump / Biden>far leftAOC, Warren, etc...
>>516873528Charlie kirk was a right wing religious nut case faaaarrr from center. Even for middle eastern standards he was a radical. But yea we had this debate depends on your baseline. But there isnt a world where any american bar maybe bernie, but afaik he just wants affordable hcare and education kek is left wing. But its a nice bait. Atleast you did accept the fact kirk was a bigger looney than trump lol.
>>516859923>Literally everyone here dislikes jews, yet jews openly run the republican party?That's a bit of propagandic confusion. Republican party virtue signals israel the same way the democrat party virtue signals niggers. But actually the republican party is ran by whiteswhile the democrat party is actually heavily jewish controlled
>>516873196We're witnessing a massive contradiction forming between social conservatism and right-wing economic policies right now. You cannot square family values with the mass immigration of cheap labour, the exodus of young disenfranchised people that this causes, the industrial scale prostitution of women via OnlyFans and it's competitors, homes that should belong to familes being bought up en masse by private equity ect. Capitalism has come to be diametrically opposed with even the most watered down forms of traditionalism. As long as the current liberal-left, conservative-right political axis continues to exist, things will continue to get worse. The vast majority of people are placed somewhere along this faulty and incoherent spectrum, and the ongoing culture wars only help to further their belief in the "red team, blue team" mentality that makes no sense whatsoever in present year.
>>516874576But ashkually- no. Lol look at the donor lists trump even had to donate his favorite daughter to be spared by the jews. Get real. Republicans are the biggest open jew supporters financially and with weapon donations. Anyone who doesnt agree with jew power in media and the financial&law system cannot vote republican/right wing in the west. The only anti jews are the far left in every country. Sadly for you americans the far left can only be found on cemeteries.
>>516874905idk i just showed you a data about the actual funding and you ignore it and say look at donor lists. You are thinking of like a handfull of rich jew donors who are swayed by the israel virtue signaling and making a bad conclusion from that. Jews know what their interests are, that's why they vote democrat. That's why so many jews are actually democrat representatives. You cover your ears for this part.
>>516874822True. Im a socialist who grew up in a big city. Hated how disgustingly foreign everything turned and moved to a smaller village surrounded by conservative christians. Its insanely funny how we literally agree on everything except god. After a few months I went mask off and started pointing out that many of them actually agreed with socialism. Ie small business getting fucked by multinationals, endless wars instead of funding our own country, our boys dying in war for nothing etc. Jews just muddied the waters with Woke. But shit like climate isnt even a debate between normal right and left; both agree that polution is shit and people who polute should pay for it. The issue is the right wing giving the bill to the people while claiming its the fault of the left. I think we'll have a lefty revolution within 15 years. When rightoids wake up and realise they've been duped.
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>>516875270Its called controlling the opposition lol. The dems are their biggest fear. If someone like bernie had gotten power the jews wouldve prolly killed him asap like they did with MLK. The moment a lefty starts talking class over race that lefty will get silenced.
>>516875827>if jew bernie had become president, that would be the end for the jewsthe absolute state of leftoid mental gymnastications
>>516859923Why don't left wing people offer real left wing politics? Even Bernie, who used to be against unlimited illegal aliens, changed his tune.Current left wing politics is anti-White, misandrist communist agitation with a side of Cloward-Piven. Why not lay all that aside and try real left wing politics?Oh, that's right. You can't! Intersection and the progressive stack won't allow it.
>>516859923It's true. The last remnant of anything reflecting a left-wing movement was Occupy Wall Street after the '08 Recession and that was crushed and subverted into idpol nonsense.You have to understand that the West is ruled by wealthy individuals and corporations and the government is basically their instrument. Glowies crush genuine leftist movements because it opposes the interests of the capitalist class. They replace it with trannies or some other distraction, get rightists to froth at the mouth at the strawman they've created, and secure power over the next generation as the plebs bicker among themselves over minutia. In the end nothing changes and that's exactly how those exploiting the system they've crafted want it.
>>516859923whoever wrote that is like 19 years old
>>516877012Again; who screams the hardest about israel? Ah yes the republicans. Why even talk about mental gymnastics if this given fact already breaks ur mind. >>516877126In europe we have real left wing but they have no power but you can vote for them. I got the answer for you though; cause what you call left (ie democrats) is literally controlled opposition. In the US you got two choices; social right wing or religious conservative right wing.
>>516859923>it’s not real leftism! Maybe calling your entire political philosophy “left” wasn’t the smartest idea.
>>516875563> After a few months I went mask off and started pointing out that many of them actually agreed with socialism>oh well actually your entire village is wrong and agrees with me!This is why people don’t like you
>>516877196Yea indeed exactly my observation. But it feels different I think we will get a lot of (positive) change in the next decade people are waking up to jewish lies. In my country the far right currently has the most seats in parlement and their program is literally a 1 on 1 copy from the socialist party but then they add they want more war and hate foreigners. But all their policy on education/hcare is basically full socialist. So its only a matter of time before we swing to the left again. Atleast here.>>516877310And again cant refute a thing I say. You can nearly triple that number ;]
>>516877650Im an extremely popular local businessmen so idk, empty insults really dont work on people who grew up with the oldschool internet lol. Im not a thin skin faggot. Nothing you can say that could hurt me irl. You could bruise my ego in an online debate but.. its clear your capacity is quite limited.
>>516877666>;]Just further evidence that “leftists” aren’t serious people. Female emotional energy.
>>516877365>supporting the state of israel is more jewish that being jewishnot true
>>516877796> Im an extremely popular local businessmen so idkI simply don’t believe you. You don’t understand how you come across when you unironically make statements that imply>am I wrong? No, it’s everyone else that is wrong! You’re just some atheist hyped up on hubris and you can’t see beyond your nose when it comes to any of these topics. Many such cases.
>>516877877>than* being jewish
>>516877812Hahah says the one getting in their feels because he gets btfo in 5 seconds. Rip.>>516877877Either way; both are jew owned and controlled.
>>516877666> In my country the far right currently has the most seats in parlement and their program is literally a 1 on 1 copy from the socialist partyThis is another example of hubris. Village communalism predates socialism by a very long time, but you think they copied you lmao.
>>516878012notice that you can’t actually discuss the topic at hand. Me criticizing your statements ITT is taken as if I’m personally attacking you. Socialists simply aren’t serious people.
>>516878012>e-either waythat's cope
>>516877923No im open for debate thats why I am here. But no one can refute what I say. Ill gladly admit when Im wrong on a fuckin anon forum loooooool(even conceded some points in this very thread). Like I said im not a thin skin faggot zoomer like you. Tell your dad to stop drinking.
>>516878171He’s not capable of accepting anything that he doesn’t believe comes from his own “side”. >>516878203> No im open for debate thats why I am hereYou’ve already demonstrated that this isn’t true.
>>516862222The problem, as always here, is niggers and the kikes that control them>>516862825>nic the spic<far rightCan you faggots get off this board?
>>516859923Trump is left of center.
>>516878203Furthermore, the simple fact that you had to move to a place that did not have “proper socialism” represented in their politics demonstrates all anyone needs to know about socialism. You had to go to a non socialist area to find economic success.
>>516878048So your point is now that socialism is good?>>516878110You are literally calling me names instead of engaging hahahhah>>516878171No not really. Its completely irrelevant to the point im making. Im calling the whole of america jew controlled and then you say; bbbut one side is more controlled? And then you say im coping? Get real.
>>516878395> So your point is now that socialism is good?I think you’re simply too stupid to be trying to engage in debate on 4chan. The most you’re capable of is weird twisting of words. This is why people don’t like socialists, btw. The disingenuous nature of you types is unnerving.
>>516859923holy shit plebbitors here posting utter retardation again>Right: Warrenthis fuckin moron doesnt realize that leftoids in Congress have whored themselves just as rightoids havewhoring has nothing to do with left or right>the cia only kills those on the leftahahahahahahahahahamy ex was tarded, toonow she flies a plane
>>516878395>No not really. Its completely irrelevant to the point im making. Im calling the whole of america jew controlled and then you say; bbbut one side is more controlled? And then you say im coping? Get real.No it's not. Your OP is about "why hasn't the right wing died off" claiming that jews run the party. So obviously the degree of jewish interest getting represented in a party matters to that claim. If the republicans are conceding some 3 billion per year to israel in exchange for policies that benefit whites domestically that is a trade most are willing to make. That is not the party 'being run by' the jews. It's just a concession. If you say 'some jewish interest is fulfilled by the party therefore they are totally controlled' that is a cope mental gymnastics.
>>516878388We literally killed all socialists abroad so whats your point? I grew up in a capitalist country and moved to a part where capitalism hadnt destroyed the local culture and tradition yet. But you see it quickly with our right wing importing more and more till all culture is gone and we can all be turned into drones. When I moved here it was 2% foreign, its now 17%. Atleast 10% is western foreign..
>>516878657> We literally killed all socialists abroadWho is we? Surely you can take a step back and understand that you make zero sense to people not indoctrinated with your ideology. It’s exactly like a religion.
>>516878657> moved to a part where capitalism hadnt destroyed the local cultureYou moved to a place that had a traditional communal culture and you proceeded to try and co-opt it in the name of socialism. An ideology that isn’t even 150 years old. You try to co-opt beliefs that predate your labels, and you think everyone else is just labeling everything wrong. Have you ever considered that you’re the one who is wrong with the labels?
>>516878750Who is we? Well its mostly you and we supported and followed you like little bitches. We literally spend the last century slaughtering commies en socialists till we overthrew them or killed them all off. You really gonna claim the war on communism was fake? You think the jews funded 24/7 propaganda and war against the commies because they desperately wanted to convince us to become commies? Thats your logic? Nice one.
>>516874018All american politicians are left wing corporate stooges.
>>516879147> Well its mostly youSurely you see how you make it impossible to understand anything you’re trying to convey here. Personally, I think anyone as ideologically captured as you deserves the rope. Socialist, capitalist? Who cares. If you kneel to ideology you get the rope.
>>516878869So again. Your argument is that socialism is good just not when its called socialism?
>>516879292Once again you demonstrate to everyone watching that it’s impossible to talk to socialists. They simply twist words around and claim to own the high ground. This is the perfect demonstration of why people generally reject socialists. It’s the demeanor more than the ideas.
>>516879273Lol okay you are beyond retarded. The (jewish) US led coalition spend 1945-2025 destroying any government or country attempting communism or socialism (i hope you wont argue against this because it means this debate is hopeless, we didnt fight in korea/nam/yugoslavia etc? Lol). You believe this was a great plan by the jews to spread communism and socialism across the globe. Which literally makes 0 sense so I laugh at you.
>>516879450No. Your IQ is just too low to realise what you are saying. You say I am stealing the right wing christian lifestyle and calling it socialism. Meanwhile I point out that those lifestyles except for the god part share the exact same ideas so the difference between ""far right"" and ""far left"" are basically non existent and just a jew trick to pit us against each other.
>>516879579> Lol okay you are beyond retarded.>proceeds to schizo babble People like you are why Israel is so powerful. You make it embarrassing to speak against them because we get associated with absolute mouth breathers such as yourself.
>>516879776> Your IQ is just too low to realise what you are sayingAnd again, twisting of words. The disingenuous nature of the socialist is why people don’t like them.
>>516879863You can keep repeating it but you make yourself look ridiculous. Your reading comprehension is depressing.
>>516880147The responses you’ve gotten ITT suggest the opposite of what you claim.
>>516880235The opposite actually. Im quite happy there is some sanity left on this board. But im not sure yet if you are mossad in damage control or just really retarded but the way you type makes me think the latter.
>>516862617>>516880147Here. This comment summed it up perfectly yet you deemed to ignore it. This is what I mean when I say ideology is cancer and you all deserve the rope.
>>516880462> The opposite actuallyYou just can’t help but invert reality. It’s truly fascinating. You’ve given an inverted response to every single comment I’ve made ITT.
>>516860376low quality bait,
>>516880505Ah yes the guy that called saudi arabia a great country to live in proving my initial point. Why do rightoids care about muslims if they call muslim shitholes paradise. He couldnt refute that and btfo'd.
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>>516880699Nice comeback. Keep coping.
>>516859923No because leftism at its core is about universalismAnd im not a universalist.Leftism will always spawn globalism.>but capitalismCapitalism is liberalism which is the left wing response to monarchyCapitalism is left wing
>>516880792Exactly my point lol. Ty for this.
>>516859923The left is literally retarded
>>516880820I mean. Thats fair. If you believe people are unequal at birth. Debate comes hard though when you take in a position like that. Same with god. I rather judge people on merit not on birthplace/family name. But you disagree with this and thats your right obviously.
>>516859923>Bernie Sanders is a centrist>source: some faggots anal prolapseThe jew who got kicked out a communist commune for not wanting to work is a centrist. Lol. Lmao even.
>>516881172>I rather judge people on meritThen you too believe people are unequalBut regardless its not just about capability but also about uniqueness, I prefer particularity.Tell me about diversityIf every country is diverse is earth diverse?No we call that globohomoIf everywhere is the same then the world is shit.
>>516881219Nazism is right wing. Stop being retarded. You should be celebrating them rather then making boomer comments.
>>516881348>>516881263yes
>>516859923How many times was Charlie Kirk arrested for robbing and pointing a gun at a pregnant woman?
>>516881939Nazis didn’t support monarchy, so to some countries it is indeed left leaning. Just more evidence that people who continue the left/right dichotomy are stupid.
>>516859923>Far right: TrumpTrump is a 1990s Democrat.You little shits have never witnessed far right.
>>516882151>i have such wonders to show you
>>516881939youre stupid anon. rightwing is still better than lfet wing though natsoc was neither. americans have a hard time grasping politics based on nation & race because they themselves are a diverse migrant colony where everyone minds their own business, thus capitalism, ie private enterprise is the only mode of life they know & the only worldview that works for them.>b-but muh founding fathers didnt intend it to be so!yeah but it is reality today.
>>516859923this niggas overton window perspective is fucked no wonder the Leftys are so delusional.
>>516881873I believe people are for sure unequal but I aproach people as equal. And then we will see lol. Thats judging on merit. I grew up upper class (low tier milionaires) went to private school and saw that family name means nothing, i saw the biggest monkeys running law firms etc. One of my classmates was 29 and still finishing his highschool degree, when he failed again his dad gave up and just promoted him to GM anyway. My dad gave me private education and a 125k when I turned 25 and said; you will get an inheritance at 65 till then you are going to turn this 125k in a small fortune. First thing I did after becoming a milionaire was sharing profits with alllll my employees. Why? Cause I love humans and love them enjoying life. Hating someone before you know them just doesnt fit in my world view. Everyone is good and everyone can be corrupted.
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>>516862003>They prefers small businessesNo they don't's.
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>>516860065Aint they great?
>>516882382We DO have a history. We were not an "Immigrant society" until recently.There's a reason we used to teach history from the Greeks and Romans down to the Magna Carta and then to the Declaration.
>>516859923marxoids are so funnynot only afflicted with a terminal case of directionbrain, but they completely fail to operate even within the one-dimensional space they've built for themselvesdumb as fucking preschoolers
>>516859923these cunts cant even define fascism
>>516859923Everyone listed there is centrist
>>516882053Charlie kirks views are shared across arab nations. So why do you have a problem with them? Literally everything we hate about muslims is the exact shit that came from charlies mouths; kids having kids is good, killing people in public is good, woman should have no rights, god is all. Etc etc conservative christianity is literally wanting a muslim hell hole but with a different sand nigger name. Instead of jesus the sandnigger they follow mohammed the sandnigger lol.
>>516859923Leftists don't even like left-wing politics. I've never met a leftist who lived by the principles they claim to have, which is why "true leftism has never been tried".
>>516859923yeah... I don't think anyone besides schizo trumptards are serious about politics here. As for the left it doesn't exist, it's just some coopted bs by corporations. For example, mass immigration, which is a product of capitalism, should be largest problem of the left, but no, even the ''radical leftists" of today are pro-immigration. I mean, if Marx is not a leftist, then everything is good with today's left. Point being that if shit is coopted to this level, I just don't feel like I can do anything.
>>516862653>Cause all I see is a conservatives wet dream when I observe shitholes like saudi arabiaBecause you don't understand conservatism at all.
>>516865081>The mass immigration is caused by the west destabilizing brown countries and then propagandizing the world in to believing life here is way better.West is destabilizing all other countries is because they don't want competition to arise and at the same time by keeping those countries poor, you get labor drain from them. More labor in your country = cheaper labor value.
>>516883615Try me then instead of empty words. What is christian conservatism to you? We all know you are gonna dodge and run now.
>>516865836strain is on the government, not the corporations. Corporations are more than happy that governments are subsidizing labor cost. Weak government is not a problem for corporations.
>>516883807There is no single conservative ideology, retard. It depends on the country, its history and its people. Why would American conservatives want to conserve Arab culture and Islam?
>>516859923>Wouldnt you love muslims/black males/latin american males, they are conservative right wing..?no
>>516859923because the left is so impossibly stupid their ideas only look good to equally stupid leftists
>>516884134Yea thats my point buddy. Theres no real difference. Christianity and islam are literally the same religion with some slightly alterations making islam a smarter more fool proof religion, because it was written 100s of years later as an improvement on it. Conservative christians and muslims want the same stuff.
>>516862222>Big stores are unrealistic as they have so much products and few staffs to patrols to protects against shopliftersAsk me how I know you are brown...please take a remedial English course before ever posting 25 times in a thread again.
>>516884245So. Explain yourselves. My whole point is that your logic gets broken with these statements and 95% here proves it because they cant engage farther than; "no" or "u are stupid!!"
>>516884134closest thing to conservative ideology is "reality is objective and imagination is subjective"liberal ideology is "reality is subjective and imagination is objective," and since objective reality doesn't stop being objective no matter how much liberals try to pretend, they always fail miserably and often spectacularly every time they try to build their utopia
>>516884715You mean the other way around. Conservatives generally believe in god and argue feelings over facts. The whole god thing is literally ignoring all facts and judge shit on how you feel. The core of religious ideologies is feels over facts. While judging others, meanwhile god tells you not to judge.
>>516882650the issue is that the jew wins at liberalism. letting things sort themselves out never works in the favour of the honest & upright but benefits the scoundrel. you will need something like racial capitalism to make it work, free play of forces is just chaos. not random individualism but authoritarian natsoc type leadership but thats just too dangerous i guess due to the possibility of corruption.>teach history from the Greeks and Romans down to the Magna Carta and then to the Declaration.in case you forgot, you are germanic not mediterranean, we take clues from those cultures & still have to read lating & greek since due to climate the had a headstart but our future is nordic.
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>>516884961nope, God doesn't contradict the laws of nature, so objective reality doesn't do anything to stop Himthat's how subjective imaginatioj survives, thrives, and continues to build and support capitalist civilizations in spite of atheists' continuing efforts to destroy them
>>516882650werent the ideals of protestantism one of the main leading principles that motivated those europeans to leave for the new world in the first place? so a inherently germanic rebellious act (luther) against the corrupting influence of the roman church as a foundation of the american ideal.
>>516884384America wasn't built on a theocracy. Conservatism in America is rooted in liberalism. You are retarded.
>>516886224It was built on Christianity and you're retarded.
>>516884384American-style Christianity is soft and toothless. It is nothing like any Islamic theocracy you are thinking of.
>>516862003>Keep in mind the left was against big companies?"The left" was conceptualized by doctors and lawyers and real estate developers who had more money than titled nobility but only had a small voice in the house of commons while the nobles could speak in the house of lords. It is explicitly the party of large buisiness directly controlling government.
>>516886338They preach inalienable rights granted by God. This isn't in the Bible it's liberalism. The Republican party is utopian socialist and will always vote for amnesty for illegals
>>516859923Where's Hitler on this scale and how do they not realize Trump, Bush, and Bloomberg are kike lovers/servers? They call them fascists and don't realize those aren't even close to fascists, ans neither was Hitler. Mussolini didn't believe in race.
>>516886071>b-but the rome of oldis dead, we gotta move on & craft our own identity. late roman decadence didnt come out of nowhere, lets assume the jews spread corrupting thoughts of pacifism, ie christianity to weaken the great empire, still the romans were susceptible to such influence due to negligence & becoming complacant. we have to take what was great about it & learn from their mistakes, not letting weak men create bad times in the first place. rome hat its fair shot, but still failed, a fresh new take is necessary, a nordic myth. white nations shall not remain merely a footnote of antiquity.
>>516859923So the 'both parties are the same!' spiel wasn't working at stopping people from taking a stand against left wing insanity so now they're trying to convince people that the left is actually right wing. Lying evil scumbags.
>>516859923>toothpaste man doesn't understand the American political spectrum.Read a book. .
>>516860376>>516860065>>516859923Right wing and left wing are economic policies only ie; capitalism vs communism and should remain that wayThe idpol nonsense that is conflated to left wing ie; niggers and whores while right wing idpol nonsense is racial purity are all nonsense created to fleece the population of its wealth
>>516886515>inalienable rights granted by GodThis is because there has never been a word in the English language for entitlements pertaining to human dignity, the concept they were trying to describe. Rights are written protections in law. If it's not a written law it isn't a right, and the Bible didn't really give us much except the shitty 10 commandments and other retarded kike goatfucker shit like not cutting the hair on your temples, cutting off the tip of your dick, etc. I would really not want to live under some christcuck/kike sharia law.
>>516885645is that korea? bugs dont have a soul so no real religion.
>>516886800btw real left wing economic policies don't care for trannies and niggers as much, most of the old school communist are anti LGBT and niggers. Karl Marx called gays pedophiles and indians as subhumans. The modern leftist movement has been hijacked by idpol trannies using it as a justification for a power grab because leftism identifies humans as a working class and not individual identities
>>516886973doesn't matter what they believe in, only that they believe in something that doesn't contradict the laws of physicsunfortunately that's exactly what marxists in general and socialists in particular force themselves to believe, that objective reality is really subjective (Theory of Alienation) and imaginary social constructs are objective (Theory of Value)
>>516859923Right/Far-right/Center/Left/Far-left (Israeli unaligned): anybody here gets killed by the MOSSADIsraeli aligned: Trump, Bush, Bloomberg, Warren, Sanders
Total Leftist Death
>>516859923> Warren> RightWhat in the fuck mind of schizo retardation is this?
>>516863205He's probably a European boomer or millennial. I remember that being a common opinion from your continent like a decade ago
>>516859923The Democrats shot themselves in the foot and destroyed themselves by embracing the woke far left identity politics batshit crazy crowd, and becoming too reliant on USAID money via grants to leftist (((organizations))) that used it manipulate political discourse and rig elections. The oversocialized wokesters gatekept and purity spiraled until all of the normal, sane people realized it's an insane death cult and abandoned them. Meanwhile, the Left was trying to do the same kind of soft power shit here that the US has done in other countries whenever they want a color revolution and regime change. Being so obsessed with revolution and overthrowing the government to bring about some kind of gay space nigger communist utopia that they didn't seem to realize that they were in fact the ruling regime.The Overton window has shifted hard to the right over the last few years. The line between GOP and Democrat politics and the line where you get a 50/50 split between the electoral college electorate have become completely detached from each other. The Democrat party has completely collapsed, like the Whigs in the 1850s. The primary opposition to MAGA Trumpism in the future will come from even farther to the right. The next US Presidents for the foreseeable future will either be normieconservative civnat MAGA populists or far right White nationalists.The Democrats and far left woke identity politics will become just another irrelevant third party in the fringes, like the Greens or Libertarians.
>>516886338It comes from the Enlightenment Era philosophy, which had a complicated relationship with Christianity. Many of the founders were deists.
>>516889665Enlightenment is directly based on Christian values.
>>516890060nope
>>516890569Yeah, most things in western society was inspired by christianity
>>516890694Now you are just being absurd.
>>516859923In America, the left is polling at an all-time low since the founding of this country according to their own most historically favorable and most often cited polling.Age demographics 16-40 are all showing alltime historically low support. Three whole generations. Less than half of the democratic constituents polled on the same source approve of the democratic party as they currently exist.Maybe being fake and gay and taking a page from the 80s conservatives by becoming moral puritans and concern trolls for the past quite literal dozen years people wouldn't be so sick and tired of them riding their high horse in the preach at people from atop their soapboxes filled with lobbyist money.
>>516884683Simple. I don't like your ideology, I don't like the agreeable fake and banners your champions wave for gullible retards, I don't like being told what I can and can't do on my own time nor what I can and can't say among my friend circles and any amount of moral appeals or concern trolling esque tactics makes me despise your ideology more for being unable to be declared proudly and instead trying to fleece people into neutering their own freedom of speech.Above all else legal order supercedes social order. If you attack someone because you got offended by what they said you should owe who you attacked money for the rest of your misbegotten life.
>>516884961why do all the countries have to become less white the whole time we try your ideas
>>516884961>ignores literal years of precedent45 years ago called. They're questioning if you're a time traveler or just being that deliberately dense & ignorant in the midst of wondering why the ideology is hated.
>>516859923Shabbos Trump is far-right?
>>516859923Wrong.>far right: no public figures in US politics>right: bush, trump, both Clintons >center: bloomberg, pelosi, romney, obama>leftish: warren, sanders, aoc>far left: no public figures in US politics, possibly Mamdani
>>516890846Read history
>>516892580Christniggers don't have a monopoly on all the great things european men did. In fact, significant parts of history involved specifically moving away from your jewish desert dogma. This is why everyone with a brain is sick and tired of you fucks
>>516863012>Extensive torture oyyy veyyy its a tranny holocaust i tell ya!YWNBAW
>>516886460Literally forcing braindead woman and raped children to carry their babies.>>516886687Cope>>516891315Thats the thing here; we became less white due capitalism/globalism while socialists were against it since day 1(1950s).>>516891460Not following you. Ignore the last 2000 years in favor of 45?>>516893079? Again and now? Hahah cope?
>>516892833And yet, astronomy, physics, botany, chemistry and other fields were all created in monasteries. Funny that. >t. not a Christian but don't fuckin' snowjob me
>>516892833Almost all of those great European men were Christian until about 150 years ago, and most of the great things they did were done for Christian churches or in the name of Christianity. The peaks of human achievement happened in Europe when it was entirely White and Christian. The shittification of European society is directly correlated to their secularization and moving away from Christianity.
>>516891207You are literally describing the system we are currently headed towards.
>>516894063>>516894106>arbitrarily ignores the scientific achievements and wonders from European men pre-Christianityevery single fucking time. this is unironically my number pet peeve with Christians: co-opting every achievement from white men as some kind of religious victory for your team.
>>516893997Evangelical Christianity in the US is meek and passive. Stop falling for some dumb meme because you saw some random dude say something that sounded hardcore or whatever. You know how Kirk's wife said she forgives her husband's killer? That's evangelicals here. They're all like that. Kids rebel and leave their parents faith (either in a healthy or unhealthy way) and they do nothing except pray about it. There's a reason why people leave the religion in droves over the past decades. It's a weak horse nobody wants and the leaders do nothing to change that.
>>516894106Peak of human achievement was done by sandniggers and the old greeks. Afterwards it was done despite of christiancuckery who to this very day try to fight basic science. The whole improvement thing started when we started being less christian lol. Religion holds a nation back. As we can see in the arab world or shitholes like India. All of them were way ahead of us. Basically confirms race theory is bullshit and proves religion holds you back. Same is seen in the american black community and seen in american red states.
>>516894777Cant argue with those digits. But ive been to middle america lol. If thats meek for you its basically says it all.
>>516868208Go back to Pakistan if you love it so much
>60 posts by OPKill yourselves, all of you who contributed to this shitty thread.
>>516859923>Honestly when you think about everything for a second wouldnt literally everyone here prefer real left wing politics; no woke bullshit?how many paint chips did you consume just before asking this? the Left is suddenly less woke compared to the Right... wow only about the billionth time I've heard that stupid glowy point typed up on here, Rabbi.... oh wait my brain still works. so nope, ya didn't get that one.>jewslot of christcucks that cant get over the fact that they worship the same God as le Jew... not like they'll ever let Ben Shapiro be the candidate for the party>illegalsoh yeah because the Left is clearly the party that will kick illegals out.... Trump is literally doing that now and the retards on your side cannot quit bitching about it. even though Obama did it more and you loved it then. Biden literally just opened up the damn border totally and let hundreds of thousands pour in. ...literally how Jewish are you?>muslimswe hate muslims because they want to kill us. you moronic retard. not because they vote badly. fankly, I wish we could get our stupid society back such an advanced point that they have, where women can't even drive or show their fucking faces without permission... this is not to say we will import them, like you idiots do. voting the same way as you do in a general election does not make them a part of you. they will slit your throat after voting the same way you did, just as soon as they get you on a bus. that's why you're the retard here, and not me.>niggers also vote right wing!eh. we gained some in the last election after you all overreached like motherfuckers taking everyone's freedom away in Covid. generally speaking, you all are the party of Niggers, Spics, and Muslims, and you all know it. ...you all stick up for Jews as well, when it counts. like giving them a job, a chance, a place to live... anything... there's a special tender place in all your hearts for ever-victim Jew.>muh "climate change"GTFO. HOAX.
>>516894350>>arbitrarily ignores the scientific achievements and wonders from European men pre-Christianity>every single fucking timeWe can discuss Roman and Greek science any time you want, fren.
>>516895678Ah yes its better when OP just walks off like a faggot. Okay
>>516859923OP is dangerously based for making Rightoids seethe with undiluted truth
>>516894118Yeah but you are left until the enemy is at the gates. Then you welcome right values with open arms (see ukraine) which is why no one cares about viewpoints like yours.
>>516859923The right is more funded and democrats are controlled opposition. Leftist policy hurts profits. It's really that simple.
>>516895348My issue is conservatists wanting that shit. So why not move there? Or why complain if you want that?>>516895858No im saying liberal wokeism is a cancer on the "left". Tbf i dont understand the biden complained can anyone link me him not deporting people obama style? Muslims dont want to kill you, the opposite. They go to heaven if they convert u, hell, they need to convert someone else they wont to go heaven. Islam is like christianity a very inclusive religion; everyone can join. Thats why white supremacy and christianity clash at its core. Under god(allah) a nigga yeet kike&whitey are equal aslong as they pray. No one sane denies global polution lol get real.
>>516895003You might not know this one but here's another good example: George Wallace. He was notorious for being a staunch segregationist. In 1968, he ran third party for president and won all of the deep south on an anti-civil rights and pro-segregation platform. What did this guy, governor of Alabama, do in the 70s? Oh yeah he became a born again Christian, apologized for all of his previous views and asked for forgiveness. You can reasonably say that maybe all of this was just fake and performative to cling onto political power as the times changed. That could very well be true, but that doesn't change that his voter block completely accepted this. The same people who not even 10 years ago voted for this guy to segregate blacks were now completely OK with him basically completely capitulating on the race issue. He, of course, won another term as governor in the hard core deep south with ease. That's what Christianity in America is like.
>>516896273Nah. I literally got commie merc ancestors who fought in cuba russia spain yugoslavia and a few others non mentioned. Weak insults really dont work on non zoomers lol.
>>516896522Nigger, did you just ask for a fucking ****source**** for Biden letting illegals pour in over the border, en masse?stay in France or wherever the fuck irrelevant place you are in. you know nothing. and you have no place even being on a site such as this, hanging out with actual smart people. try somewhere like Reddit, when you post online, maybe. ...that'll be more your speed.{I'm betting your politicians recently imported a massive amount of muslims or somalians or some shit and you currently could not be any happier about it. "we helpin da poors!"}
>>516862404cool it with the anti-semitism
>>516894784>Peak of human achievement was done by sandniggersThe Islamic Golden Age was a translation movement where Arab Muslims paid Syriac Christians to translate stolen Greek texts into Arabic, you stupid bitch.
>>516897083Only stats I can find is dems deporting more in modern times. Even trump is now saying we maybe should keep those hard working illegals looooool. And the remainer of your comment is spastic rage. And again; No im left wing I dont like cheap labor getting imported thats right wing policy. Thats the whole issue.
>>516896109You walked away from our conversation after proving you don't know what conservatism is.
>>516859923Trump is a centrist.
>>516898658Okay so greeks and then afterwards when we left religion in the west. My point still stands. Christianity or any religion for that matters holds back any nation.
>>516898774No. When you refused to define it and refused to debate it. Im not going to debate something you wont define. Dictionary meaning is holding onto the old and ignoring the new. Which creates arab tier nations.
>>516898867Christians contribute greatly to technology and society. Even the modern public hospital that leftists worship was created by Christians.
>>516899049Yea despite christianity. Not because of. The popes were desperate to kill scientists and ban science lol. Moment we truly started leaving those fairy tales is when we exploded and conquered the world. And then ofc the huge technological jumps post ww2. Hell see the 3rd world shitholes like russia&yugoslavia turn into modern countries over barely a decade. Ofc they are still behind. But not 500 years behind. More like 10 years now.
>>516898978I did define it: Conservatism is a means of holding on to things relevant to the history and culture of the people. American conservatives are liberals, because Anerica was founded on liberalism. Saudi Arabia was founded on Sharia. American conservatives don't want Sharia, which is why we don't look to Saudi Arabia. There are Christians who hold conservative views of Christianity, but that has nothing to do with the government. Some Catholic nations had monarchies, but Protestant nations did not. America was founded by Catholics, Protestants and deists. You don't know what conservatism is.
Imagine trying to debate a topic you can't be bothered to spend 30 minutes learning about.
>>516862294He had a gay wedding at his house
>>516899310The godless Communists killed scientists. It's not mutually exclusive.
>>516860193>>516860065NEW THREAD >>516900283>>516900283>>516900283
>>516899630So you vote democrat? Thats your point? I mean thats cool to. But thats not the debate im looking for. Dems are brain broken in a different way. My issue is with how blatantly the right wing is ran by jews yet people pretend they are anti jew. Just like right wingers agreeing 1 to 1 with muslim right wingers yet they hate muslims. Right wing conservatists dont want the liberalism the country was found on they think god should be included and are happy god got added later on and even think god should be mandatory again, like under islamic rule, like taking away gay tranny woman rights etc.
>>516900429The Democratic-Republican Party split into two liberal parties. After the Federalist Party dissolved.
>>516900312For sure. But the doctrine isnt against science at its core. Like with christcucks. They dont even accept the basics. We still got flat earthers, evolution deniers etc.
>>516892393Why do you consider Mamdani more Left leaning than AOC and Bernie? I feel like they're all in the same league
>>516900524So who you vote for then?
>>516900429>right wingers agreeing 1 to 1 with muslim right wingers yet they hate muslimsRight wingers in America don't. It's been explained to you multiple times already from several different angles. The "hardcore" Christians in America are generally meek and nothing like islamists from the middle east who behead you because you drew muhammed or some shit.
>>516900429You think modern Republicans are further right than the Founders? Our Bill of Rights came from George Mason and was based on Christianity.
>>516900608Only atheists read the Bible and think the word that means sphere or circle is pointing to a flat earth.
>>516900670Conservatives who follow Classical Liberalism.
>>516900740I think modern under trump.. maybe. The mask is coming off for sure post 2016. But yea i agree what you are saying here. We are still a lot more left wing due the commie threat but that threat has been beaten and we are slipping into a far right wet dream for sure; ruling class and pleb class. We literally talk about the WEF here constantly; you will own nothing. The complete opposite of the socialist dream where we own everything and ((they)) own nothing.
>>516901168You should read what Classical Liberalism was. Then read the policies of Democrats in the 90's and compare both to modern Republicans.
>>516900704They are becoming a lot more maskoff. And you have literally at every other abortion clinic sharia tier christcucks lol. Many are literally fawning over christcuck kirk etc. Its just that people are indeed too meek right now. But its clear its resting underneath waiting for power to swing their way.
>>516901168Today's Republicans are basically Democrats from 30 years ago.
Btw either way. Thanks for the discussion everyone. Atleast we got some conversations instead of endless glow threads or low effort nsfw posting. I need to prep my work for tomorow again. Its good to challenge each other once in a while.
