>the largest country on earth with abundant natural recourses.>GDP smaller than Germany, France, Italy and UK.>No famous Russian brands, movies, computers. Only exports weapons for third world countries. And even those weapons are inferior to western tech.Why?
>>516965702SANCTIONS WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF WESTERN SPY
>>516965702it's inhabited by russians
You're mom likes Russia tho
Same reason why India couldn't take Tibet from China despite being far closer to it. Racial inferiority
>>516965702Show PPP shill. Russia is way above Germany and Japan.
>>516965702California fits right above India.
>>516965837Even with PPP Russia is a shithole compared to Japan
Hey anons, the financial market economy won't survive the upcoming shakeup.
>>516965702Pic rel
The GeeDeePee won't feed you, keep you warm or employed.
>>516965702>GDP smaller than Germany, France, Italy and UK.IMF numbers are taken directly from Russia, which means they're fake. If you want economic metric thar Russia can't fake, it's foreign trade, by which Russian Federation is less relevant than Poland.>No famous Russian brandsAK 47, Lada, Masha and the Bear
>>516966020>compared to JapanOttawa is a shithole compared to Tokyo.
>>516966315Now check exports of crude oil and gas.
>gedepeeOP, you took money for blowing old ugly men.30€ an hour. You just raised the gedepee by 30€.Also no, I won't hate Russia or fight it in WW3. NOT MY PROBLEM
>>516965702>No famous Russian brands, movies, computersi know this is a memethread but unless youre a sub iq nigger, youll know what communism does to the private sector. theyve had only about 30 years to make an established brand, including the troubles of the 90sif you dont already know this, youre too young to be on pol or a retard
>>516966315Retard Russia makes most things domestically, they aren't poles that rely on German toilets
>>516965702Decades of socialism.
>>516965775>>516965837Doesn't matter if PPP or nominal, when both numbers are fake as fuck. All economic metric are classified and numbers that are given to IMF or World Bank are obviously fake. No way inflation is 9.9% when interest rates are 17%-20% for last 3,5 years.Even BRICS' bank advises against any investments in Russia, which literally means that Bank which is in 20% controlled by Russia, doesn't trust any economic data given by Russia.
>>516966469That includes exports of crude oil and gas, as Russia produces almost nothing else. Economically speaking, it's sub-saharan country.
>>516966020The entire west is a shithole compared to Tokyo.
>>516965702It doesn't matter when the world is afraid of Russia. Russia can do whatever it wants and no one can stop it.
>>516966269Energy access and real production output will however.
>>516966020>compared to Japancompare to the Ukrain
>>516965702>India ahead of JapanDamn, it must be a really nice country.
>>516966642Yes, they make their shitty equivalents for domestic market. That's exactly how they inflate their PPP numbers - counting them as if they were the real shit.Nobody trades with them because nobody likes them and they make shitty products - how does this make their economy look good exactly?
>>516965702>Why Russia failed?literally because the secret police in charge are unfit to lead both the country and the great host
>>516965775Kek. The PPP cope again. Remind us how many hours you have to work for one stick of butter?
>>516965702the day 999999.998 of the 2 weeks of the ultimate sanctions #12+
>>516967034>as Russia produces almost nothing else.produces nothing except our whole domestic industry. Our whole food supply. Our whole arms industry. Our whole satellite navigation system. Our whole tanker fleet. Power plants. Housing. Recently even furniture and electronics (albeit mostly industrial) etc etcit's a logical mistake to equate or correlate exports with economy
>>516965775Next time when i go to the shop ill ask the sellers to give me check based on PPP, thanks for the lifehack
>>516967359>shitty equivalentsAnon, this shit is literally the same cola produced in the same factories but with a different labelNo one in their right mind would import this shit here, it's just not profitable.
>Pajeet OP
>>516967506less than you that's for sure
>>516965702.*sigh*"Russia" did not fail, it's that Sovietism failed. Provided that Russia killed the Soviets earlier, it would've whacked China in the head.
>>516965775OH MY PPP
>>516965702climate/daylight plays a big role i imaginefew waterways to run through the countryisolated by mountans/desert
>>516965702Its only geopolitical reasons based on this, west is just seethe about Russia and dont want to let us to the club in equal rights and dont want to be friends with us, they still , that is, no economic reasons thereThey still consider Russia a backward country and dont consider it their equal, just like China, so we are in for some bad times in the next 10 years, even worse than now
>>516967772Mining buttcoin then pegging it to USD produces nothing. The perceived value it generates is still faith based just like the USD. Buying into the top SP500 instead of building factories does nothing but inflate the financial bubble. GeeDeePee is a tranny metric.
>>516965702non meme answer because their country collapsed like 20 years ago from gommunism. They could have recovered and built up a frenemy relationship with the West like China, but they decided to invade Georgia. So now NATO is completely dedicated to causing a total Russian collapse again.
>>516966269Exactly. Russia produces oil, coal, metals, uranium. It produces sizeable amounts of fertilizer, wheat, etc. It produces lumber. Tell me how much America really produces even though its population is 3x more? Oh, that's right. We didn't even attempt to tariff any rare metal imports because that would have collapsed our economy. But we are le strongest country in the world!!!
>>516968261Kek based
>>516967598He's a seething Poolack that has never heard of "off brands" apparently. I'm sure Russia uses sugar too, not goy syrup
Because it's full of russians.
GDP only counts if you report itIf it is under the table/ illegal it doesn't get countedWhy is /pol/ so stupid?
>>516966642Or Germans that rely on Polish toilet cleaners.
>>516967560>our whole domestic industry.Theoretically should be booming because you're at war. However it's dying, like literally. Pic very rel.>Our whole food supply.First half of 2025 Russia became food net importer, first time since 1990s.>Our whole arms industry.Which is all literally blown up in Ukraine, giving no net benefits to Russian economy.>Our whole satellite navigation system.That consists of like 26 satellites in total.>Our whole tanker fleet.You mean shadow fleet of old Greek tankers that are unacceptable technical condition according to anyone?>Power plantsWill be probably this winter's target for Ukrainian drones.>Housing.What about it? I heard it's currently cheapest than ever due to lack of consumption.>Recently even furnitureSo since Ikea's out, Russia went back to making it's own furniture>and electronicsYou're little ahead of yourself.No, enough of nastiness, I undestand that GDP isn't foreign trade and Russia still has 140 million people that do something and generate some capital (like in every other country). My point was that it's impossible to estimate this GDP because all economic data is classified or falsified. Showing any IMF or World Bank stats is useless because these institutions operate on what's given to them officially by each country. If North Korea ever gave them numbers that Norks are world's 1st econony PPP, they would just publish it as well.
>>516967598>this shit is literally the same cola produced in the same factories but with a different labelWith no foreign control, quality of these goods will only decrease until them become unrecognizable. Fries in Mc Donalds were made with imported (Polish), high-starch potatos, but when Mc Donalds was replaced by V&T they started making fries with local, more waxy potatos. Fries became more soggy, but it was detail. Then another detail and another...What's happening to Russia is what was happening in most countries of ex-commiebloc. Enforced autarky mashed together with central planning and control on smaller and smaller stuff. Since best buddy of your leader is Kim Jong Un, means your country will end up more like North Korea than like Yugoslavia.Run.
>>516969297>Fries in Mc Donalds were made with imported (Polish), high-starch potatos, but when Mc Donalds was replaced by V&T they started making fries with local, more waxy potatos. Fries became more soggy, but it was detail.Youre right, but this was for the first half a year when mcdonalds was replaced, now its fully replaced by the same crispy potatoes like before, we just took your potato variety and started growing it specifically for V&T, you have VERY outdated info, but it seems you like to live in your own bubble
eh, im okay with current result, could be better, work in progress etc
>>516969297Places like McDonald's have always been shit. We actually had one in town (even before the war) but it couldn't compete with the local cafes and bakery. The same goes for shit like cola. Even without cola substitutes, we had kvass and чepнoгoлoвки which usually took up way more space on the shelvesThis all reminds me of 2014 when everyone panicked that we wouldn't be able to eat imported food and would be forced to eat trash but everything turned out fine in the end.
>>516966315>in US dollarskek good goy
>>516968729You can cope as much as you want but at the end of the day only we are the ones who produce nuclear icebreakers, only we are the ones who produce passenger jets 0-100, only we are the ones who lead in civil nuclear tech including construction of new plants, or lead in wheat exports, or fertiliser. Only country in the region with a domestic search engine, or a domestic space program, or a domestic nuclear triad including hypersonic maneuverable delivery...
>>516970004How much do your moldy potatoes cost? I heard inflation is through the roof and you even have potato shortages.
>>516965775Look, we produce fossil fuels and sell weapons.At the same time, your biggest ally is responsible for promoting renewable energies worldwide, which will cause your markets to steadily shrink.Your traditional weapons customers are now slowly building better weapons than you – the economic sector will also disappear.Statistically, liberals are often academics, and Russia has had one of the largest brain drains in the world for decades.Yo bro—things are looking good for you. If necessary, you can always sell potato schnapps.
>>516970546>I heard inflation is through the roosauce?
>>516970004>now its fully replaced by the same crispy potatoes like before, we just took your potato variety and started growing it specifically for V&T, you have VERY outdated info, but it seems you like to live in your own bubbleNewest info on potatoes is that Russians ate all Belarusian potatoes and are out of theirs. Western varieties of high-starch potatoes are out of reach, because Russian government banned import of western seeds (not just of potatoes) as means for autarky. Oldschool method of potato breeding (with tubers instead of seeds) is very ineffective in modern farming.If you say you have crispy potatoes then it sounds like a cope. Or that you should just eat these fries while you still can because it seems they won't be for long.
>>516965702
>>516970720>Statistically, liberals are often academics
>>516970484Exactly. Russia is fine. It's the US that has to worry about being put into abject poverty. >Statistically, liberals are often academics, and Russia has had one of the largest brain drains in the world for decades.They wanted the "freedom" to write about degenerate smut and big houses and cars and other BS. They didn't want to do something good for their country though.Don't worry, I agree Russia is a shithole, but that's mostly because the average Russian is kind of primitive and the dog shit weather.
>>516970861>The central bank trimmed its benchmark rate to 20% on June 6 but even that is around the highest since 2003. More worryingly, people's inflationary expectations - a driver for price pressures - remain high despite actual inflation slowing down.>Potato prices, which have tripled since last year when the crop fell by 12%, are not helping matters.>"It is crazy. Potatoes have always been very cheap. At this price, I will not buy them - I think few people will," said Tamara, a 67-year-old pensioner outside a Pyaterochka discount store in Moscow.https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/potato-price-surge-fuels-inflation-pain-russias-poorest-2025-06-10/Let's see how you will call this fake western news because russia stronk and rich.
>>516967560All of that is worth as the pole said. If you do per capita you're lower than Romania.You're just delusional. Wanna hear the hard truth? Go and buy an iPhone now or put the deposit down for a new shitbox like volkswagen or toyota. If you cant do that you're broke af and no amount of oil export is going to change that.
>>516965702Russia failed because it's run by Russians
>>516970720we don't need to sell anything because in principle we don't need to buy anything, we have $75 trillion buried in our lands, the whole Mendeleev table. Unlike any other country that MUST export because it MUST import
>>516971209>Go and buy an iPhone now or put the deposit down for a new shitbox like volkswagen or toyota. How many young American men have the money to buy iPhones and put deposits on new cars???
>>516970953You're just revealing that you have a low level of education :>If you had ever attended university or moved in intellectual circles as a conservative person, you would have no reason to mock it—not even in Russia, only there it's not said openly, they just go abroad after graduating.
>>516970923About damn time
>>516965702The population are retarded and evil
>>516971209iPhone is actually a great example it does for $1000 what android does for $100So the gdp it inflates is entirely meaningless
>>516971165mm saar infl on food is 3% as of late aug
>>516971209>gypsy cargo cultist you will never be white, you will never be european, you will never be western
>>516965702Russia was basically the only "european" country where communists won their civil war, ie. Russia lost
>>516970484>nuclear icebreakersWhy would anyone else make that?>domestic search engine, or a domestic space program, or a domestic nuclear triad ???
>>516971362kind of revealing yourself as an indoctrinated retard that repeats jewish mantras here
>>516971283This. Russia can be self-sufficient easily. It needs no one. Some Russians are smart too (though plenty are drunken apes).
>>516965702>onlyfans contributes to gdp>selling used items on ebay contributes to gdp>hiring someone to clean your house contributes to gdp>government military spending contributes to gdpgdp is a madeup kike indicator
>>516971325I dont know. It used to be the norm but surely things changed. I was just illustrating in real life terms the difference between great numbers from the government and mundane reality, often harsher than the government approved version
>>516971419>tf>tp
>>516970921lol, rofl even
>>516970077>This all reminds me of 2014 when everyone panicked that we wouldn't be able to eat imported food and would be forced to eat trash but everything turned out fine in the end.It's much worse this time, because Russia is actually forced to import food. First half of 2025 Russia imported $20.6 billion worth of food products and agricultural raw materials, while exported $17.8 billion worth. Your country, with the biggest amount of soil in the world, became food net importer once again due to retarded policies of your government.
>>516971566notice how there's not a single EU country in my resource list. That's the reason they always start wars and colonize and plunder the rest of the world - they can't sustain themselves unlike every other regionOfc they need to frame their enemy as barbaric and ripe for domestication - they want to rub and plunder
>>516965702>6. United Kingdom>Main export: Finance cunsultingGDP is a fucking joke.Yeah, finance consult me a new fucking army.We have a higher GDP after all.
>>516971476An android, not even a €500 one will not do what an iPhone does, mainly signal that you can blow €2,000 (these are the prices not €1,000 like a decade ago) on random shitWhen everyone pulls out their iPhone your excuses for having a huawey won't fly and you'll know it too. You simply - for various reasons, couldn't bring yourself to piss €2,000 away on a trinket.
>>516971644The US is an impoverished shithole now. Still wouldn't want to live in Russia though. My point is that le richest country in the world is in just as bad shape, if not worse, since we produce nothing of value.
>>516971165ah found your Reuters article from which you source (shame, your basis of understanding Russian economy is literally based on msm)https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/potato-price-surge-fuels-inflation-pain-russias-poorest-2025-06-10/so!lets see, article from june, how fare we now>Pyaterochka sells Russian old crop potatoes for 84 roubles ($1.06) per kilo and new crop potatoes for 120 ($1.53) per kilo, compared with an average 43 roubles per kilo in retail stores this time last year.picrel is currect price with store-to-door delivery includedgoing by current exrate 1 kilo costs about...$0.25-0.3
>>516971496You're using words outside your area of expertise. Cargo cult means something else.Im romanian and in ok with that i dont seek recognition nor validation. You on the other hand showed your hand by pointing exactly what you lack, projected on me. Lmao
>>516967560People struggle to understand this, because under the neoliberal economic model Russia simply does not make any sense.
>>516971877By the way, how much does a person in non-Moscow/St. Petersburg Russia get paid actually?
>>516971749>Russians eat all potatoes>Russians import more potatoes from "friendly" countries>"Friendly" countries have less potatoes>"Friendly" countries import more potatoes from Europe>Prices of potatoes in Europe go upSame thing happened when Russia was out of butter. Even fucking Belarus lifted embargo on our potatoes in may, when you ate theirs you cheeky bastard.
>>516971864>his argument is meaningless status symbolsIn reality you can't do the simplest stuff on iphone like sideload apps. iphones are a good indication you're bad at tech
>>516967598Brother, don't correct your enemy.Let him make mistakes.
>>516971868America is having a crisis of the 3rd century of its own. Both caused by the debasement of coin.
>>516972241better to educate your enemy so he becomes less ignorant
>>516970923More blatant false flags please.I love the memes.
>>516971496Look who's talking
>>516970921Bro i just ate in V&T yesterday and potato theres crisp like before, its 1 by 1 like in mcd, what are you trying to prove me living in Pooland i dont understand you, or youre just mental ill
>>516972328You can't wake up someone who merely peretends to sleep.Especialyl when they get paid for being ignorant, like NAFO troons
>>516965775>PPP
>>516972190And the cost of cultivating potatoes in Poland and then exporting them to Belarus and then to Russia is lower than in Poland itself somehow? You're arguing yourself into a corner
>>516972214An iPhone is a trinket, like a oass into not poor people territory. Some are posers and some arent but they all try to look like they're in. However somebody pays the €2,000 for the trinket so the gdp is real. The thing you dont understand is that the money changed hands and products were exchanged, its not a bookkeeping trick. And this is why per capita matters and here's where your narrative fails: you cant buy nice shit with aggregate numbers, just with per capita. And Russia (and China and others) are very low in these charts, nominal or ppp. Lower than Romania and obviously lower than Poland.
>>516965702>Why?Russians.
>>516972073here, use my setting on picrelif youre gonna use USD, apply ppp adj in your head (current rate is abt 2.5)https://statprivat.ru/incomeaccrued = gross, net is x0.87-0.82 depending on your income bracket
>>516972649It's a bookkeeping trick because unlike money, physical quality is accurately measurable. And from material properties, iphones don't cost more or less money to manufacture compared to its competitors. They use the same LiIon batteries, the same ips/oled matrizes, the same copper patch antennas. A society switching to iphones won't suddenly be more wealthy or more successful. All you are paying for is making one company richer at the expense of your own opportunity cost
>>516965702First communism fucked over the country.If you go to rural areas, there is plastic all over the place, within ground, under the fields.. They really don't have any concept of environment or long-term thinking, you just use the ground and when it's polluted you go to somewhere else. Then after communism russia went into some sort of turbo-capitalism, where you can buy anything. You can literally hire killers and then buy your way out of prison, everything is regulated by money and money only.But the main problem is, that economy and the state are intertwined deeply. This means, that every profit doesn't actually help a company so it can get re-invested somewhere. Instead russian politicians get richer and richer.Also you don't really have a free market, at least not for important stuff, since the accumulation of power leads to maxxing out profits for the greedy politicains and effectively prevents market from regulating itself.>tl;drIt's an oligarchic petro-state with nukes, where a few people are filthy rich while most people are poor as fuck
>>516970484>produce nuclear icebreakersWhich is like 0.000000000001% of GDP>only we are the ones who produce passenger jets 0-1001) There are lots of companies who produce smaller passenger jets2) What model are you actually talking about?>lead in civil nuclear tech including construction of new plantsIt's somewhere below 2% of Russian exports. Similar to Poland's worth of exported office furniture and I'm not bragging about our office furniture.>or lead in wheat exportsNo, you're not. Your gov halted this, because there's not enough even for your people.>or fertiliserYes you have lot of unused natural gas. Making lots of retiliser from it makes sense.>domestic search engineIn few years you will probably have your own separate internet, like North Korea.>domestic space programYou had when Russia was part of USSR - with lot's of scientists and engineers from Ukraine, Balts etc. You can't even land on the moon on your own.>domestic nuclear triad including hypersonic maneuverable delivery...Something you won't ever use, but what costs you a lot of money that could be spent elsewere. Exactly why your country won't ever succeed.
>>516972560>exporting them to Belarus and then to Russia is lower than in Poland itself somehow?Nope. Belarus no longer exports potatoes to Russia.
>>516972972The money is still being paid and a product delivered. Its a free market and nobody stops the customer from buying tsingtao. Ergo its not a bookkeeping trick. Such a trick would be to claim that a phone that costs €100 is written down as 200 or such but this it is not the case yet.
>>516973333You slavs are obsessed with potato economics.
You're luxury, fictious wealth is poision in abundance.
>>516973333So we have enough domestic potatoes to go around with prices lower than yours by a factor of 3, and that's supposed to mean we're running out of them. Ok?
>>516971362Plenty of reasons, like German chem engineers perishing at age of 40 because of many places now having dogshit standards with the obsession of pumping out papers for quantity instead of quality. All while not sustaining reproducibility or good SI. A wider academic problem to be frank, US is alike in the latter but better in the slightly better in the form, and Asia is often monstrously worse (Thanks India/China) in both regards.
>>516972422You have access to McDonald's fries for direct comparison?However if you like what you have, then be my guest. I hope you'll have these fries for longer because I'm not salty cunt.
>>516965702Russia is based. The EU is worse than California.
>>516965702>BRAAAAAAAAAANDS
>>516965702Like us they don't market their resources correctly but for very different reasons . They also have a brain drain problem so big that it affects even common industrial , construction and IT workers not high paying jobs .They also waste a comical amount on military
>>516973551It's cool-cola vs coca-cola.You can as well just buy cheap basic potatoes for 1zł per 1 kg (23 euro cents).
>>516973435The bookkeeping trick is to pretend a $200 phone is twice as good as a $100 one. That's why there's a fundamental flaw to count money while comparing an economy. Simple example, apple banned payments in Russia. Can't download banking apps. Android didn't, and as a result it's technically a better product.
>>516965702Wait, when did we overtake South Korea and Australia?
>>516965702>No famous Russian brands, moviesThat's just retarded, especially about movies
>>516974114i was always curious abt services, like phone planshttps://flex.orange.pl/en/flex-for-youso i chose the one for 50 pln/mohere it would cost me abt 15 pln/moi saw lan costs abt 100 pln/mohere its 30 with basic cable tv included
>>516966269Half of rural Russia doesn't have indoor plumbing.
>>516965702yet another garbage nafo copelusion thread
>>516971283Does that include Donbass?I need Russian pussy. Send me some.
>>516971749How much is 1 euro, that's like what you earn in one full day's work right?
>>516974608>Mic dropIt's over
>>516974246Our leader Pedro CHADnchez makes Spain grow at 3.5% GDP yearly.
>>516973124We're still exporting 50% or so more wheat than the next country on the list.As for jets and jet components see eg, there's only a few countries that can produce jet turbines and were one of them. https://w.wiki/DypH
>>516966381All cities are shitholes. Even the "nice" ones.
>>516975127>нe пoнимaeт, кaк paбoтaeт PPPкoгдa из Poccии yeзжaeт peлoкaнт, cpeднee aйcикью пo cтpaнe pacтeт
>>516975306Nah. My girlfriend is from working class Lima, and that's my dream place. Somehow Peru combined the good economics of social safety nets with libertine taxes and government overreach . Shops everywhere, an average man can support a wife and kids on a garbage man's salary, never truly cold. Good, cheap healthcare. The only problem is people litter a lot for some reason. Even then it's not anywhere near India tier.
>>516975122Wheat you are a leader but if you expand the category to "grains" in general the US produces three times more than Russia. The soviet leader once came to the US and literally begged the US to show him how to grow corn.
>>516975555Gayest thing I ever heard. Look, I basically have my own private forest and once you live with that much space, beauty, and privacy there is just no going back.
>>516975427it's funny because it's exactly the opposite
>>516974557Dude I pay 170zł for 5 numbers with unlimited internet and 50zł for 500mbit optical fiber. It's been few years since I signed agreements, so I don't know what are new rates, but companies would've ended the contract if it was bad for them.Point is, I don't know how phones and internet connection works in Russia, so I don't know if it's potato-to-potato comparison in terms of quality.
>>516975127>four slices of bread, salami and cheese, teait's like 100-200 ₽ - 2€>plate full of croissants€10 >orange juice €3>waffles and omelette i assume€6>jameasily 5-10€so we are comparing ₽200 with at least €24, which nobody does. And i thought kikes from Tel Aviv were good at counting money, turns out you're just useless targets to be bombed by iranian rockets:-D
>>516965775>PPPpoor people cope
>>516975639We also have 3 times as many people as in Russia and have much more arable land for wheat in a good climate. Russia has a lot of land, but much of it is in tundra and taiga...
>>516965702It’s what happens when you turn your back on Christ and take up Satanic Marxist ideology. Fitting demise for a godless society.
>>516975731No average young guy today will have their own land unless inherited. They will barely be able to survive even with a Master's degree job. Your point?
>>516975845poor people points, dimwityou cant into bantz lol
>>516975857The US also has many crops and commodities where Russia is far far behind the US even outside of grains in general. Cotton, peanuts, virtually all nuts and fruit. Additionally beef, poultry, pork etc etc. As far as an agricultural sector is concerned the US is clearly far ahead of Russia. And I say this as someone who really doesnt even like the ag sector lol.
>>516975825To be fair, 24 euros would be the cost if you went out for that, I imagine. Probably not even in Poland either. Meanwhile, the values you give for the Russian equivalent are for if you have a picnic yourself.
>>516975845what happened to German's economy btw? Why are you in recession for the 3d year? >The country, which had been considered to be Europe's economic powerhouse in prior decades, became the worst-performing major economy globally in 2023 with a 0.9% contraction, followed by further 0.5% contraction in 2024 leading to recession[1]. Several economists, business figures, and other experts expressed concern that Germany's economic downturn could cause the nation to reclaim its reputation as the "sick man of Europe" from the 1990s.[2][3][4] Economists stated that Germany's economy was in a permanent crisis mode, with the Handelsblatt Research Institute declaring that it was in its "greatest crisis in post-war history" after projecting a third consecutive year of recession in 2025.is that poor people cope too?
>>516971864Given the choice between the status symbol and the money, I have always choosen the money. That's why I own 3 debt-free houses and 30 hectars of forest and don't care about getting fired or not, while the iPhone retard lives from paycheck to paycheck and sucks his department leader's dick every day. I don't need excuses for not being a consoomer faggot.
>>516976232You can get pork, chicken, etc. in Russia. I don't see your point. On the other hand, the US does produce a lot of meat, but it's low quality and environmentally destructive and basically toxic.
>>516965702damn >russia has the same gdp as italynot anymore LMAO laugh at pidor retards
>>516976083To some degree that's true but not entirely- anyways people who have roots are the real minority and it's basically them vs the rootless. Thats a far more important distinction than national border for example. And yes it does overlap with urban v rural fairly closely.
>>516965702who gives a shit about gdp, china and india are in top 3 yet both places are infernal cesspools
>>516976319good attitude but in clown world you're rich if you take a million dollar loan but have to pay back 2 because of interests
>>516965702What is the relevanceof of GDP calculated in US dollars for a country that cannot trade in US dollars?
>>516976422>you can get pork and chickenDidn't say that bozo. I said ib almost every ag commodity sector russia is behind the US. Which is true. You could complain about the quality of the chicken perhaps but the beef operations are really not that objectionable.
>>516976319> 3 debt-free houses and 30 hectars of forest These are status symbols in themselves and the fact that you mention it, it is a boast to prove your "status". Also, most Germans can't afford that. You must be rich.
>>516970720> Liberals > Brain drainAnd nothing of value was lost
>>516976624>but the beef operations are really not that objectionable.Indoor pork farms have been accused of feeding pigs boiled garbage...
>>516975122>We're still exporting 50% or so more wheat than the next country on the list.Meh. From what I've read it's 46m tones vs 36m tones (Canada). However I can't find which class is it (for human consumption, for animal feed etc.).
>>516965702It not failed. It's just asian country. Asian country is -Elites >>>> commonersEuro countries -Commoners >>>> elitesThat's all. Ru oligarch and elites become x10 rich in 3 years. They're happy. They finally banned socialism and human rights for commoners.Ru turned in russian empire 2.0Did you know that main goods of ru empire were grain and slaves (ethnic russians)? LolUntil usa banned slave trading in Europe.
>>516976451> people who have roots are the real minority The average urban Peruvian has more "roots" than some Midwestern white trash.
>>516976880Lol idk what part of "beef" you are struggling to understand?And I generally dont think much of any factory farming but hogs have always been slopped. The farm I grew up on had a large hog operation until it went to high volume factory in the mid 90s. The general practice would be a grain plus a supplement- true, but they have been fed various waste in other places for a long long time depending on what was available.
>>516977195This method though is not just table scraps/organic matter. It has been accused of being filled with plastic, rubber, other crap. Obviously pigs have always eaten "garbage" but not literal plastic.
>>516977085Lmfao, dressing up in costumes isnt having roots. Going to Octoberfest isnt having roots. Eating pears off the same pear tree your great granddaddy did is having roots. Taking a nap under the same oak trees your grandfathers did 100 years ago is having roots.
>>516975825congrats missing the point you have no idea how PPP is measured >And i thought kikes from Tel Aviv were good at counting money, turns out you're just useless targets to be bombed by iranian rockets:-Dkekя знaю, кaкoй бpeд вaм втиpaют - oт cлaвы CCCP y вac ocтaлacь тoлькo этa чyшь. нo в peaльнocти мы paзъeбaли иpaн. мы cдeлaли тo, чeгo вы нe cмoгли y ceбя пoд бoкoм, в yкpaинe. вы лишь тeнь былoй мoщи
>>516977066> Did you know that main goods of ru empire were grain and slavesSource: Trust me bro
>>516977367The classic more rustic way of raising hogs was to just pen them up in a swamp or a stream in the woods and feed them a grain crop from time to time. But I don't doubt that there are bad practices in these industries. However, I also believe this is not unique to any high volume producer in the world.
>>516977512>you have no idea how PPP is measured i do and it's certainly not comparing apples with oranges, see >>516967630>paзъeбaли иpaн.ёбкa жoпoй, paздaвили члeн пepcoв cвoeй зaдницeй
>>516977433>Eating pears off the same pear tree your great granddaddy did is having roots.True, but once again, how many Midwestern white trash have that? Most are too interested in meth and tattoos and unprotected sex.To be fair, my dad has "roots" in the regard of having ancestral land. But guess what, that land will probably not ever be mine. It will be sold when my dad ks forced to or he dies, and I will receive nothing from it. I'll be "rootless" like I am now. It's his "roots", not mine, not ours. That's why I realize that I have to try and forge a life out myself despite the Leviathan that is the "American" nation.
>>516978085congrats for proving what i said the big mac index is just a tiny bit of that retardit's buying power of """equivalent""" products (or rather basket of goods)now knowing that look at the meme again and like i saidthe lies is the only thing left of the USSRnothing new
>>516977545I mean, you do know where slav comes from dont you slav?
>>516978372I realize you may be laboring under some degree of borderline clinical delusion but I live nowhere near the Midwest lol. Anyways- I don't ridicule people who have been severed from their roots by some bad fortune or another. That's nothing to mock someone over, it's almost challenging the creator to smite you. Over time- it happens though. And I never take anything for granted or challenge the creator with pride over something that is a blessing. But I also appreciate that the people who still have them are few and distinct in many important ways.
>>516965702>Why?Defeat in the cold war and then step-by-step elimination of capacity for competition by foreign actors.>Be a socialist factory producing cars.>Suddenly you're a capitalist factory producing cars.>You're owned by all employees equally.>Employees have jackshit idea on how anything works in capitalism>The entire country is starving so nobody buys new cars.>The employees starve because they can't get any money.>Suddenly, a bandit thief or foreign investor appears.>Buys factory stock for penny on the dollar.>Sells all machinery for scrap, immediately turning a profit from the sale>Rents the space for a mall or scam artist office building>'Russian oligarch blyat how come they aren't rich!'>B-but Poland!Poland was given a number of credits and boosts by international society, so they avoided the 90s issue. Russia wasn't.
>>51697653680k debt is like litterally nothing?
>>516978992Honestly I think given the circumstances in the cold war and the way it ended Russia was treated firmly but relatively lightly. I mean I don't begrudge russia for pushing to get the most they can- if anything I could criticize the western powers for being so soft on them in the wake of the societ empire's collapse considering the water under the bridge.
>>516978636>he doubles downso in your opinion it's comparable for swiss gdp to increase by $7 while our increses by $2 from adding the exact same burger? Does the burger become 4x as nutritious just by geolocation? fool
>>516965702>Why?duhrevolutions, communism, 50 million die in WWII meatgrinder, dictators, oppression, gulags, slave labor, weather, collapse, brain drain to Westno one could prosper with all thatPutin has fucked them even harder and set them back another 100 years
>>516976317tldr>Average salary in Russia €150>neetbux Germany €1000russia has to import everything because they can only build c-tier military equipment>>516976159i dont need bantz,look outside the window
>>516979320>neetbux Germany €1000you wish hakan
>>516979418its around 1000€ including money for rentenjoy your enlistment for 20k€ in ukraine
>>516978636>яхyд пocтит кpивoй пикpeл пpo ППC >>516975127>яхyдy oбъяcняют, чтo ППC нe тaк paбoтaeт >>516975427>oбъяcняют eщe paз >>516975825>яхyд кpичит вывceвpeти oбмaзывaяcь кaлoм, oткyдa-тo вылeз coвoк >>516977512дa, индeкc бигмaкa этo кoнeчнo нe вcя кopзинa, нo тoчнo хopoший пpимepa тeпepь, жидeнoк, вoпpoc зa 300: гдe нa твoeм пepвoм пикpeлe comparable goods т PЭШ
>>516979274you're such an idiotyou're arguing for PPP without understanding itlmao you also earn a lot less
>>516965702>russia bad russia bad>shit we need russia err russia uhm not bad not good but russia fight>okay phew thats over>RUSSIA KILL ALL RUSSIANS NOW NOW KILL THEM FUCKING DO IT NOOOOW REEEEEEEEHmm
>>516976232Russia: 87 milion metric tons wheat/yearUSA: 44 million metric tons of wheat/year>oh look at me I dont even care I just lie for fun!Disinfo faggot
>>516979593>its around 1000€ including money for rentwhy don't you own your place like every biogerman?are you a gypsy?
>>516979183Hard, soft. They made sure the people they designated as enemy were heavily disadvantaged in the next bout, because the last bout had them way too scary.And they did plan to have another bout with them, when they consistently denied Russia entry into NATO, and then supplied arms and training to various regional threats to make the region unstable.>Chechen terrorists of the 90s liked to deal in dollars, since they were easier to come by in their lawless mountains, as the currency was part of aid packages from the west and the Saudis.>334 children, teachers and parents killed during Beslan School terror attack suffered deaths from weapons paid for by the dollar, and terrorists hired with dollars.
>>516979725When you take grains as a whole category I think the US is around 400 million tons and I think Russia is around 100 million tons.
>>516979647ты пoкa вooбщe нe пpoдeмoнcтpиpoвaл пoнимaниe ППC зa пpeдeлoм быcтpoгo гyглa >>516978636дaвaй, вoпpoc нa 666, oн нe гyглитcя, джипити тeбe тyт тoжe нe пoмoжeт (нy мoжeт в cкoлape, кибepлeнинкe или cpaзy в элceвьepe): кaк yчecть пpи cocтaвлeнии кopзины нeймaнoвcкyю элacтичнocть и пpичeм здecь PPД?
>>516979647This, nothing sadder than Indians bragging about there PPP. Imagine being proud theres a gazillion of you, each poorer than the last.
>>516979647>you also earn a lot lessyou yourself earn nothing otherwise you'd know it's not about salary but about taxes and mandatory insurances which are far less here compared to anywhere else really
>>516979829>the housesyour houses are considered sheds in germany
>>516979621the basket of goods isn't exactit's """equivalent""" so that's what the meme pokes at things that obviously aren't equivalent are in PPPwhich is why it's bullshit which is why you stick to itand don't bullshit me how great the russian economy is i lived there half my life
>>516980050it's about buying power retard
>>516980053This would be $250K in the US.
>>516979958I just looked it up disinfo troon. Only a faggot paid to be here would pretend Russia doesnt grow huge amounts of grain.Stupid faggotThis source says 2.5× the amount>https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country
>>516979682>we need russiaLol. Nobody has ever said that. You are a weak impotent chihuahua. Isn't that right, Jack McJack from Melbourne oblast?
>>516979872No it's a great example of softness after winning a war and what it gets you. You never hear a carthagianian complain about how they were treated. Again I think the western powers were light on Russia after the Soviet collapse. Listening to the ziggers et al expectations post cold war you would think they won it honestly.>denied in NATONot surprising. As a strictly logical decision I would also have advised against it. Consider these forces had just engaged in a generational propganda, economic, technological, espionage, and cultural warfare- complete with threats of nuclear annihilation and proxy warfare... does it seem reasonable to invite them into the fold the moment it ends lol? No way. That doesnt mean you ice them out. The correct sensible and rational posture would have been to open up relations- keep a firm but suspicious eye on them, and let the relationship build to a point where you can work together and trust each other. That's not to say NATO is blameless in how it was handled but there is little room to complain from the Russian perspective.
>>516980130pseudo economic gibberish lol>which is why it's bullshityour picrel “meme” which uhm pokes at something?yeah, that it isfor it to be even remotely relevant, picture on the left should be the same as on the right, with prices attached
>>516979829Notice how all of the former socialist countries all have higher rates of home ownership...
>>516980187but you said it's about earning lessnice switching goalposts
>>516980287What doesnt your tiny mind understand about the difference between "wheat" and "grains" lol? Wheat is a subset of grains you absolute donut.
>>516971566>Russia can be self-sufficient easily. It needs no one.as long as you enjoy suffering and miseryand your only recreation is making your neighbors even more miserable
>>516980320kek no argument i accept your concession
>>516978636>>516980370memory of a goldfish
>>516980226If it was in the nicer areas of San Francisco it would be 1.2 million dollars.
>>516967772btw Portugal has no economy. And has small brains.
>>516980370also yes it still doeswhat do you think buying power in this context means
>>516965775PPP is the correct way to measure actual economies. And not (((GDP))) where bankers pass billions of $ between each other' computers and pretend that this is an economy.
>>516980187lmao noPPP is actually about adjusting income, which nicely translates into measuring what that adjusted income could buy, which led us to using it to apply domestic resource driven adjustment to GDP, since economy is a closed circuit to a large degree (with few exceptions, namely U.S. and EUZ) and exchange rates are actually a measurement of how you’re able to prove your currency worth on a currency market against other currenciessilly goose you are
>>516965702They don't do money printer go brrrrrrrrrrrr as aggressively as other countries.
>>516980483To be fair that pic related actually is pretty. Plenty of ugly shitholes, but he could have picked Norilsk in spring or something.
>>516980467Thats why the first source said 87 and the second said 105 you disingenuos faggot. Funny how you get caught lying and just keep lying.Plus like 30% of the Russian economy is black market where people trade chickens for goats and what not, left over practices from communism.
>>516980497ты лyчшe oтвeт дaй, я eгo нeдaвнo тpeтьeкypcникaм зapяжaл нa coбece и дaжe были пpaвильныe oтвeты >>516979968
>>516980313>Logical decisionGod, American logic is so stupid. If NATO accepted Russia into NATO, all conflict in the region would immediately end forever. It's not Russia waging proxy wars against US at its borders, its NATO constantly paying off terrorists and retards to attack Russia in order to keep up the pressure just short off all out war.Obviously it could never be because NATO is a coalition for destruction of Russia, and fall of USSR was just a stepping stone to that goal.That's why NATO has plenty of ex-soviet states without any worry of 'espionage' and 'propaganda'.
>>516980773can you go kike someone else with your switcharoo?Alternatively make a coherent argument, especially one that takes taxation and mandatory insurances into account.
>>516980187>>516979647>>516978636Btw Daily Reminder , (((GDP))) is a jewish scam: >>516980820
>>516980937Look you idiot when you take grains as a whole category (this includes wheat, corn, sorghum, oats, etc) the US produces far more grain than Russia kek. This is just the reality of the world accept it or reject it. I mean with corn alone the US produces more grains than Russia does total grains by far.
>>516980820Still PPP is much lower than Western countries. The problem is, it doesn't go into depth about the social services in countries. For example, most young people in the US are dirt poor because the US has European tier taxes but there are no social safety nets, you need a car to get anywhere, and health insurance is $500/ month. So although the US has le cheapest iPhones, most can't afford it or squander all of their necessary savings trying to afford one.
>>516981228but the argument was about export, thus how much you can spare and turn into a source of foreign income.
>>516981228>the US produces far more grain than Russia >this includes wheat,Russia produces the most wheat in the world, including the largest wheat Per Capita.Three largest wheat producers are: China, India, Russia. This makes Russia #1 per capita wheat producer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wheat_production
>>516980997I really don't understand how someone could think that immediately after a generational cold war that defined a literal bipolar hegemony in thw world for decades, that one side would collapse and just bring the other in as a junior partner like it never happened. Kek it's so delusional. Almost literally insane. These two forces basically had competing government views, world views, economic warfare, psychological warfare, cultural warfare, espionage warfare, legitimate threats of nuclear annihilation etc etc. for whole generations and you honestly dont expect the winning side to "take it slow" or be cautious with them afterwards? Are you actually insane? You're like a woman who just trashes the house and has a big fight and then you make up and they wake up the next day and pretend it never happened. Again I am not suggesting that Russia should not have been worked with. But after all that had happened it would have ligicaly been a steady and slow process of building trust and improving relations until one day perhaps they could be allies. NATO may have some fault for not seeing that through correctly- but Russia would be high on crack to think they would almost immediately be brought into NATO after the Cold War.
>>516980053>pin point a dying village in a country that is highly urbanizedKraut, if you can't afford living in a decent apartments it's not our problem, quit it with projections.
>>516981726that one side would collapse and just bring the other in as a junior partner like it never happened. Kek it's so delusional. Almost literally insane.You mean like West Germany for US and East Germany for USSR, you tard? Remind me, is Germany now a NATO member, even though its been less than 100 years since WW2, and even less when Germany joined NATO?
>>516970720>At the same time, your biggest ally is responsible for promoting renewable energies worldwide, which will cause your markets to steadily shrink.Why did gazprom fund greenpeace?
>>516981503It's literally like talking to a retard kek. >wheat is a category of grainsI will continue to help your tiny mind understand this.
>>516980862writing the same thing just in more technical language doesn't disprove itlike i said it's about buying power of a basket of goods or the equivalent of it the OR is the downfall of it>>516980974it's not sosach i wrote you in russian so you would stop with the вpaньё >>516981090you're retarded i never contradicted myself hereit's about income just as much as pricing but instead of making an argument about it you're making an> uhm actually it's disposable income in the most retarded way imaginable >it's also tax
>>516974608>Half of rural Russia doesn't have indoor plumbing.And America has third world colonias all along the Mexican border that don't either. And shitloads of urban ghettos, decaying inner suburbs and dying rural towns. The actual truth is none of that matters much for projecting international power
>>516981503From what I can tell the US not only produces more grains but exports more grains. Although russia does seem to export a larger %. Although I dont implicitly assume that is as big of a deal as you think. Especially considering that the US has a far more varied ag commodity sector that legitimately more or less supply itself. I'd say the only area that russia has a legitimate central role in the ag sector from the US's perspective is in fertilizer inputs. That would be the more legitimate argument from the Russian perspective.
>>516981847>You mean like West Germany for US and East Germany for USSR, you tard? Pretty terrible counter example. Germany was totally conquered to the point of American and Soviet tanks rolling through its capital, the independent German nation completely ceased to exist.
>>516981847The allies literally conquered Germany occupied it militarily- and the carved it up. Is that what you are proposing should have happened to Russia after the cold war?? Am I missing something here?
>>516982175It's an entirely valid example. West Germany joined NATO in 1955, 10 years after calling all Americans and others subhumans. No problem rolling with them though, unlike those darn Russians...
>>516981228>Russia 5 times in top 3>USA 3 times in top 3You are a lying cunt who cant stop lying>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities
>>516982369You're missing that your retarded ass point makes no sense. You had no issue working with krauts despite murderous war just the other moment, no fear of propaganda, espionage or the rise of Nazi state again.What nonsense was said against NATO accepting Russia just doesn't track.
>>516982110>accuse the other of you have done yourself You can't form a coherent argument, so I assume you're only after triggering and baiting. I don't know any metric that would equate croissants with sliced toast neither
>>516982114I've never been to russia so I cant speak to the running water situation but it would indeed be odd to hear someone in the US had no running water. Not saying there arent some limited examples though.
>>516982380>West Germany joined NATO in 1955, 10 years after calling all Americans and others subhumans.Again, Germany had been totally destroyed and there was no threat from West Germany to the other countries of NATO. It was a US puppet state. Expediting their entry was necessary due to the Cold War, Germany being at the border with the Eastern Block.
>>516976422no it's not, you're a russian faggot on a vpn. russia lost, russia is an international joke, russian life expectancy is 60 years old, russians have hiv like niggers, etc etc. you're a subhuman fuck and if you weren't you wouldn't need to false flag on a vpn on all the time. coward russian rat, no different than a jew
>>516982480Look you bozo- the US/Allies literally conquered Germany in a total war and carved it up and treated it as a glorified vassal. It is such a stupid comparison to the Russians after the Soviet union collapsed. We didnt roll tanks through your streets. We didnt subjugate you. We just had a bit of a (warranted) suspicion about literally inviting you into NATO. And all you do is bitch about it when it is totally reasonable. I mean what's next you collapse and you make demands? You demand to lead NATO? You demand even more territory? Lmao. It's totally backwards almost laughably upside down expectations. Again I think after the collapse Russia shoukd have been worked with, and the steady but controlled process of building trust shoukd have happened over time.
>>516982487how do you think the basket of good is chosenobviously a croissant in russia isn't as relevant as in france you dolt just like bread isn't nearly as relevant in asia etc. etc. etc.
>>516965702It’s fourth in PPP and has very low debt and a growing economy, unlike Europe.
>>516981847Remind us again how russia became a junior partner of china?
>>516981776should we play the pin a random location in russian city?disillusioned retard
>>516965702Russians are over perfoming and they would do a lot better in their rightful place as integral partners of a true Europe.JewSA divide and conquer tactics as usual.Meanwhile you have states that only produce corn, s*ybeans or mediocre cheese and they are hailed as heroes....
>>516982943It's called dacha you negrite, a SECOND living space, all the while you beg for first one.
>>516982507>I've never been to russia so I cant speak to the running water situation but it would indeed be odd to hear someone in the US had no running water.I've heard that some parts of New Mexico have that problem.
>>516965702It’s the largest commodities exporter in the world, over $600 billion last year. Hasn’t gone down at all.
>>516982855>how do you think the basket of good is chosenjust like the bigmac index>obviously a croissant in russia isn't as relevant as in france inb4 it's le differenté
>>516982913>>516982845>>516982646This is all great but ultimately nonsensical.>Why is Russia poorBecause a coalition of various western nations has waged a war against Russia by its borders from the start of 20th century, using not only conventional warfare, but also economical warfare and proxy wars.>Why won't the war endDespite consistent attempts by Russia to negotiate an end to the war, all of the treaties, agreements and memorandums are consistently ignored by Russia's enemy.>It's not against Russia, you were just bad as USSRPoland was part of USSR and just as responsible, and yet it's NATO member. Germany was responsible for much more, and are still a NATO member.etc etc.>Why is Russia working with China?Because China isn't waging cross-century war against Russia.All you westoids have to do is to just stop being bloodthirsty retards with hateboner for Russia, and there'll be peace on earth.
>>516965702jews
>>516983161>I've heardYeah I mean I haven't heard that, but all I can really speak to is maybe the region of the US I live in and I have never come across someone without running water and I live in a place people consider sort of poor in the US lol.
>>516982913following west's example from the 80s
>>516983150>now its a dachakek, you are shifting goalposts faster than you suck dicks
>>516983254Look I'm not going to sit here and defend every single thing NATO has done but this expectation that Russia should have been in NATO almost immediately shows sort of an unreastic frankly insane expectation that was destined to result in an impasse tbqh. And let's make no mistake, the USSR was a de facto Russian Empire. You could quibble about it a bit but let's not pretend, when you peel back the layers, that Poland was running the show kek.
>>516982767>russian life expectancy is 60 years old>russians have hiv like niggersThat's true, but the US spends way more on healthcare and isn't that much better. I admit Russia is a shithole, but it is a country that the world needs, not the US.
>>516983312you have a lot of people living in trailers and mobile homes. they can't by definition have running water from grid. something not possible in this country all year round
>>516983162Source?
>>516983535>frankly insane expectation that was destined to result in an impasse tbqh.No it's entirely in line with sanity.After World War 2, when NATO was formed, USSR immediately applied to join NATO, because it's entirely sensible that members of UN Security Council would be in a military alliance.They were promptly denied because having USSR in anti-USSR alliance is against the point of NATO.That was the declaration of the Cold War.
>>516983543you're a russian faggot on a vpn and fooling no one. russia lost
>>516983589What are you talking about? I dont think much of living in a trailer but basically every trailer has their own water well. I dont have municipal water kek and I live in a house but I have four water wells. I would argue a water well is superior to municipal water.
>>516983254>russia goodboi russia dindu nuffinYou are quite literally niggers. Instead of accepting that the reason you're shit is because you act like niggers, you blame everyone else. You are liars and thieves. You're niggers and jews combined in one, with the wrong skin color. You started this war and are now getting FAFO'd.
>>516983229again do you think burgers are as relevant in vietnam as they're in america? obviously not it's not like the big mac index bread is substituted with rice or noodles which aren't the same >trying to argue that croissants are as relevant in russia as they are in france
>>516983845>Bro you're just niggers lol gitgud>Don't mind us sending terrorists to blow up your schools though, it's what we call a pro gamer moveWestoid just can't keep himself from being a bloodthirsty mongrel. Must be all that royal inbreeding.
>>516983684Look I think it was extremely obvious even before WWII ended that the US and the USSR were on track for a clash. It was basically a bipolar world they were different at the very core and both were ambitious. And this didnt just come from the US, the soviets felt the same way. I'm really referring to how things played out after the cold war "ended" and the USSR collapsed tbqh.
Jews obliterated
>>516983684Russia was excluded because nato is the extension of nazism but led by the Americans instead of the Germans. Russia was always going to be excluded
>>516983589all trailer parks have access to utilities
>>516984029>Look I think it was extremely obvious even before WWII ended that the US and the USSR were on track for a clashSadly, when USSR extended an olive branch and tried to submit to NATO regulations and be part of NATO treaty, instead of moving towards peace, NATO decided to have a 100 year war about it.Good job I guess.
>>516965702GDP means fuck all. If you import a million criminal niggers GDP increases because of increased spending on prisons, hospitals and repairs.
>>516983845Why do Yuropeans prefer to import brown orcs from Hell's deepest shitholes instead of working with Russians?
>>516966897Correct. Mentrics mean nothing and China lies systematically about them. Why should I assume the US doesn't? I only trust European numbers because it is a continent of bean counters.
>>516984071It's true. It's unfortunate that people do not understand this historic fact and instead invent various reasons why Russia specifically (and not any other USSR country like Poland) are totally like niggers or something.
>>516983532Kraut, it will take you another 30 years of civilizational advancements to build a house that is remotely functional to our current buildings, chill
>>516984151You'd have to be fuller than a tick on forty rod liquor to ever think that the USSR and US were going to be compatible. Things were already testy even when we were actual allies in the war lol. Now post soviet Russia and the US were potentially compatible but it would have taken some tome to grow to trust each other after all that had happened. And in that regard I think NATO may bear some blame but I think Russia did also with theor expectations. I also don't think the hour the soviets collapsed that Russia just cleansed itself of Soviet influence. I think it is still ingrained to some degree even now and this would have been something that probably gave NATO warranted pause about getting too close too rapidly in the aftermath.
>>516967330You faggots really love killing your own people don't you? Nothing's really changed from commie times, except now you have worse pensions for all your statist dick gobbling.
>>516984474>I also don't think the hour the soviets collapsed that Russia just cleansed itself of Soviet influence>Admits Poland into NATO immediatelyWhat the fuck is wrong with your brain?
>>516984474>I think it is still ingrained to some degreehttps://alexanderdugin.substack.com/p/alexander-dugins-eurasianismThey want the empire back and have realized that complete top-down control of the economy isn't viable.
>>516967594theres a fit checkout girl at the Lidl here that can check my PP if you know what I mean
>>516984652>10 years later>immediatelyWhy do you lie about such obvious things?
>>516984835>Bro its entirely 10 years laterRussia asked to join NATO 14 years after USSR collapsed.
>>516984652Again the delusion of equating soviet Russian empire vassal state Poland with Russia just shows the degree of delusion in this whole conversation. I mean Russia's current leader (who I dont completely hate btw) is literally a full on ex KGB commie to the bone kek. I have still not ruled out that after the collapse the intention was to augment the system and try to scrape the old empire back together tbqh.
>>516984913After that little "cold war" ordeal, 14 years is nothing honestly. It literally defined the world for whole generations if people. It is almost surreal to see people pretend like it never happened. That doesnt mean enemies cant grow to be friends but it takes time naturally. And losers dont make demands.
>>516985033>Vassal stateYou're the one delusional, and your hate for Russians is obvious.You ignore things like>Stalin, USSR's most prominent warmonger leader, was from Georgia. The same Georgia that NATO later trained and equipped with arms to attack Russia.>All leaders of USSR that came from Russia advocated for peace with NATO.>Poland, participant in USSR, was given NATO membership 10 years after USSR dissolution.>Russia, participant in USSR, was refused NATO membership 14 years after USSR dissolution, because 'muh soviets'.>Poland was also spared constant proxy wars against it. Russia wasn't.The faster you admit that NATO is an alliance specifically hateful of Russia without any specific basis, the faster you'll stop looking stupid.
>>516985033Imagine being Russian and not wanting the USSR back.Even Brits have dreams of getting back their Empire as they are getting stabbed by Pakis.
>>516965702Mongoloid blood ruined them forever.They can no longer be considered European. Just Asians speaking an indo-european language.
>>516965775This. PPP is the real number.And yet you'll have shit thrown at you by many anons, but especially dumb Amerimutts.
>>516985212>Bro Cold War is so serious!>Let me just shake hands with the germans>Let me just admit Poland into NATO>Them Russians are asking for peace and neutrality?>FUCK THEM! NATO bases on the border, proxy wars, do not negotiate!>This is all Russia's fault btw, not sure how but it is.You're nuts.
>>516984913>minimize the lie>deflectWhy are you such a faggot? Idk the politics of what surrounding Russia's interest in NATO but it wasn't a serious bid to join. There was never even a formal application. You think realistically Putin would have wanted to make all of the concessions that would have entailed? Concessions that would have directly reduced his own domestics control and power? Looking at it beyond the surface level could explain why Putin would have wanted to pretend to be interested in joining NATO, without actually intending to. So that later when he starts invading other countries he could say "but look what you did, we wanted to be friends but you rejected us!"
>>516985451The germans literally got conquered, carved up and vassalized. Is this the fate you would have preferred for Russia? I'm not fan of NATO but I really don't find it that odd that they pressed their influence in the ex soviet vassals after the Soviet Empire collapsed. Pretty standard behavior from the victors in a war. In prior times they would have literally just confiscated the holdings. Just like if the US collapsed after the cold war I wouldnt have found it suprising if Russia pressed their I fluence further in Mexico etc. in the aftermath. Hell if the outcome were reversed I shudder to think what an iron fist the USSR would have had let's be honest.
>>516985583>Concessions that would have directly reduced his own domestics control and power?NATO does not define a country's domestic policy, it's a military alliance. You're literally just coping.
>>516985728And you're lying about Putin having actually tried to join NATO. That didn't actually happen. Saying "can ve pleeze join NATO (hehe)" can't be looked at as a serious bid.
>>516985348Show your flag, Amerimutt. Then explain how can an Amerimutt call Russians mutts. Russians! Of all people!
>>516985332Yeah I mean I get it, then again if I were Russian I would view the whole communist era as a mistake honestly. But it is almost shameless how they seem to think the collapse of the USSR was just a clean slate instant thing. No it would have taken time. Suspicions obviously still lingered. Some of them have been confirmed. NATO has made mistakes too though. I can respect someone who is clever with subterfuge, but the current russian KGB leadership is so offensive because it requires such shameless and frankly insane dindu'ing. Like the immediate expectation to be in NATO kek. It's so unrealistic.
>>516985728Also, you're incredibly full of shit. It's not "just a military alliance."
>>516986040Oddly enough, NATO actually responded to it like a serious bid, but hey, if 4chan retard like you disagrees, who am I to argue? Kill yourself.
>>516986171If a 4chan retard like you says so, it must be true!
>>516983835i don't know any place here even rural without wells neither. I thought you were talking about grid access which sometimes is limited, same with sewage
>>516986167>amerikkkans uses ChatGPT for easy to know information
>>516986056Of all people to call someone a mutt? You? You were literally part of the caliphate for 500 years longer than the US has even existed.
>>516965702At least they make good video games.And Russian girls are really cute
>>516985212>And losers dont make demands.Russia is 85% Russian.With entire regions the size of half of Europe, including thier largest metro areas and the most densely populated areas of their country being more than 90% Russian. Why on Earth would you say that Russians lost the Cold War?Especially when they liberated themselves from Socialism?These mutts... they never learn, these mutts... It's all so tiresome...
Because it was communist for like 70 years, and communist had kike bronstein murder millions of the best russians.
>>516986167>AI sloppa retard>Can't even read what AI tells him toNo it really is just a military alliance. NATO can demand members to fit these criterias, but NATO cannot force members that do not fit this criteria to change their domestic policy. NATO can't enact laws or orders to alter domestic policy of a member state.NATO can deny entry into countries that don't fit these criteria, NATO can't force countries to change to fit this criteria.When Russia requested to join NATO, it fit these criterias, but was denied for an entirely different reason.
>>516986171What are you saying? NATO took the half ass bid and considered it seriously? Who do you think that makes look bad??
>>516986367I was not, anon. You however seem to be a truly dumb mutt ignorant of History.
>>516983867>relevantAI gives me this>Кopзинa тoвapoв для pacчётa ППC oпpeдeляeтcя мeтoдoм coпocтaвлeния oдинaкoвых нaбopoв тoвapoв и ycлyгso like a broader bigmac index
>>516986490>Who do you think that makes look bad??Retards who refused this olive branch of peace, and instead chose to continue senseless warfare against Russia.
>>516986171Looks like NATO did act as if Putin's request may have been genuine and did not close the door. Curious, why did Russia flip out about the Baltics joining NATO when they themselves supposedly wanted to join NATO? Very curious indeed. Look FSB nigger, your bullshit has worked quite well on typical 4chan 90 IQs these past 2.5 years but it doesn't work on everyone. Many of us are capable of reading between the lines.
>>516986413The soviet union was a glorified Russian empire. I mean I realize for mid wits these various layers of legalisms and plausible deniability about pie sky workers global movements and "unions" have some currency but a rock on the ground could step back and see what it was. A Russian Empire obviously. I mean how it came to vassalize these regions is not some kind of fucking mystery from WWII to the 60s it's all historical record kek.
>>516986703>Curious, why did Russia flip out about the Baltics joining NATO when they themselves supposedly wanted to join NATO? Very curious indeed.Look guys!Look how fucking stupid this mutt is!
>>516986703>did not close the doorAdmitting Poland and denying Russia, instead wasting everyone's time with 'talks' while NATO proxies waged war against Russia in Caucasus is just that sort of 'closing the door'.Putin was so desperate to join NATO, he even allowed NATO to use Russian airports as layover for Afghanistan ops.
>>516965702Alcoholism and mismanagement. Ever since Alcohol Distillation became common the rulers of Russia have monopolized Vodka, using it both as a means of making money and controlling the population. Drunkards are terrible organizers so any rebellion was doomed to fail unless the government was INCREDIBLY incompetent. This, combined with the Russian Winter creating the perfect defense, meant that Russian Leaders NEVER had to think and could get more and more incompetent. Then Nick II took the throne. Truly, a portrait of failure. The Communist Government wasn't much better. Yes, incompetence could get you killed but the lack of free speech meant you could arrest anybody pointing out your incompetence. Thus, mismanagement continued. Additionally, while Lenin advocated for Temperance and a blanket ban on Vodka, Stalin was an Avid drinker and used Vodka just like the Czars of Old. Even with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russians have such a deep seated culture of drinking and nihilism that they can't be assed to do anything to change their country.
>>516986703why did Baker promise NATO would never extend to the east beyond west germany, but NATO did it anyway? How can you trust such "partners"?
>>516986510It was literally part of the caliphate for centuries. See we can fling shit at each other and that's fine but what can we do when it's just open denial?
>>516986740>The soviet union was a glorified Russian empire.Why do frickingly disgusting mutts keep shaming themselves like this?Because they are ficking mutts, that's why.Tell me, MuttieMacmutt:Is the current American Empire "American" too?
>>516986570each country has its own basket genius
>>516986693They literally just admitted it was a half ass bid from Russia and NATO took it seriously but declined. Demanding to be IN NATO fresh off the heels of the cold war is not an olive branch. It is an unrealistic expectation. That doesnt mean there couldn't have been a long term process of building trust but jeez get a grip. Of course it would take time.
>>516986994Which caliphate, my niggermutt?Please, tell me more...
>>516987178>Demanding to be IN NATO fresh off the heels of the cold warPoland, member of USSR and participant in Cold War, was accepted earlier than Russia made its bid.
>>516987016Look retard you literally deny portugal was once part of the caliphate historically you have no authority to give any opinion on these topics when you have displayed open and unabashed denial like this.
>>516987377What denial?Why do you refuse to tell me which Caliphate was Portugal in?LolMutts gonna mutt...
>>516986927Boohoo nigga, that's geopolitics. Acting like a fucking child. I don't blame Putin for being mad about NATO, but it's not some great betrayal. Russia in the same position would have took advantage of the geopolitical climate of the time.
>>516987545Mostly Umayyad
>>516987119and you think the IMF is retarded enough to not account for that? Even if that was the case, then why the bigmac index doesn't contradict?russian gdp should be lifted x3 according to BMI, if we do this in OPs table , it would mean #3 behind USA and China, probably #4 if we do same with india. PPP suggests #4. Why we get a similar result?
>>516987798So... at best that Caliphate lasted 100 years. And most of its hold on the Peninsula was very... shaky. Not even through the resistence of the Christians but because their own mostly North African troops rebelled all the time.In less than one hundred years most of Portugal was under Christian rule. Half of it would never be conquered by moors again (North of Duro river + Galiza).
>>516987354Poland was a vassal of the USSR. Why does this distinction elude you?
>>516988254What about the Emirate of Cordoba?
>>516988333Because Russia was a vassal of the USSR since for most of USSR's existence it wasnt majority Russian or ruled by Russians. Why do you refuse to accept that?
>>516965702>Why?Because Russia has weak genetics. The average Russian is lazy and uninitiated; he can't do a shit if he is not threatened with violence.All our past accomplishments were thanks to brutal foreign-blood tsars and dictators who fucked Russians hard.Thus, Russia needs a new brutal master to accomplish something, because the current neo-tsar Putin is too meek for Russians.
