During Nixons time, the "Vietnamization" of the conflict in Vietnam took place, meaning the gradual transfer of responsibility for conducting the conflict to the government in Saigon and the progressive reduction of US involvement. Now, under Trump, the "Europeanization" of the war in Ukraine is occurring.The US tries to drag Europe, especially its Eastern vassals such as Bolanda into higher level of confrontation with Russian Federation to rescue regime in Ukraine. It was very visible during interview where he persuaded NATO countries to shoot down Russian airplanes violating airspace of NATO countries, but when asked if the US would support such a country in scenario of Russian retaliation, he said that it "depends on circumstances".Combined economical powers of tje EU and the US were not enough to derail Russian military effort for 3 years. Russia was submitted to biggest number of harshest sanctions in human history but it survived it thx to focusing its economical ties on relations with countries from outside of Western hemisphere. NATO emptied its war-time warehouses and emptied warehouses of other countries outside of the alliance to supply armed forces of Ukraine. The result is mediocre. It slowed down Russian advancement in Eastern Ukraine despite the fact that the war Russia wages there is not a full scale one.So, if the EU and the US were unable to defeat Russia together, how come Europe alone is supposed to do this now? Europe divided politically over Russia (especially German business dreams about coming back to good old times), disarmed, deprived of symmetric nuclear abilities, stuck in XX century war doctrines, struggling with critical sociocultural problems and budget/debt overstretch? xD
>>517054121They're getting you ready for the meat grinder polebro.
>>517054218It wont help much. Only Bolanda is going to be destroyed, and thats all.
>>517054360I don't know what that is.
>>517055003Bolanda is a term i use for Poland. I took it from old Polish Bareja movies and a political commentator Tomasz Gryguć. It is an Arab word for Poland but it sounds very funny in Polish ears. It perfectly represents goofy character of Poland.
>>517054360Destruction of Bolanda would be a very ambigious thing for Germany. They are heavily invested here so it would be some minor financial discomfort, but i think it is a price a German business could pay for destruction of the US vassal blocking European integration process. If the regime in Poland gets cleansed and country finds itself in state of chaos, Germany could also provide an allied assistance by installing "temporary" adminustration over Western Poland that Germans still perceive as a stolen German land. I am sure only of one thing. No matter what happens, Bolanda gets fucked.
>>517054121>Combined economical powers of tje EU and the US were not enough to derail Russian military effort for 3 yearsRussia has made essentially zero progress for 3 years. Its three day SMO failed in large part due to western weapons in the early days of the war.EU and US were enough to derail Russian military effort. And I believe that the longer this war goes on, the worse it gets for Russia. For many reasons - Russia's unsustainable casualties, the continued degradation of Russian refineries, etc. - time is on Ukraine's side.Russia isn't the problem. China's support for Russia is. China has outright said they will not let Russia collapse because Ukraine is too good of a distraction. The West allowing Ukraine to go on for as long as it has is in my opinion a bigger geopolitical mistake than Russia's invasion was in the first place.Liberals are all fucking cowards.
>>517060258If these efforts were enough, there would be no need for dragging "eastern flank of NATO" into war with Russia. Alternatively, if Russia was aware it is losing confrontation, it wouldnt be eager to make a shooting range out of Poland and test NATO reactions with drone intrusions. The war Russia wages in Eastern Ukraine is not a full scale war, thats why Zelensky can receive foreign politicians in his office and thats why supply routes connecting Poland with Ukraine are not being destroyed so far. The US wants escalation and horizontal escalation of war to fe Poland because it hopes that dragging Poland into war would rescue regime in Kiev. At the same time Russia might have an appetite for escalation with unprepared and disarmed NATO countries on the Eaatern flank. It creates quite explosive situation
>>517054121You don't need to defeat Russia, just wait for them to die of AIDS
>>517054121you will get hanged coward and traitor
>>517060577>wordswordswordsI don't care.Russia's military campaign has failed in its initial objectives and is failing to achieve its current objectives. You say that the EU and US can't possibly stop Russia - they have already stopped Russia and are currently continuing to stop Russia right now.Maybe things will change. But if they don't, we win.
>>517060658You will be too busy escaping with your evacuation backpack to hunt for traitors, only to find out that you cant escape by car because all roads and bridges are taken over by military. You will get stuck in huge traffic, blocked from both sides, and you will listen on your battery FM radio how Bolanda is "winning" just like Ukraine was winning.
>>517060713If Russian military campaign failed, why is the US so determined to drag its European vassals into this war? Maybe you dont fully understand objectives of this war?
>>517060258Russians aren't dealing with this with any hurry, they have behind the scenes agreement with the USA to bleed Europe dry economically, and have europeans distracted from the full scale demographics replacement that is going on, as long as possible. As to where is their endpoint is yet to be seen, maybe culling of white europeans via war, as automation gradually take over their work roles, then just merge into a federalized state, and eventually merge multiple federalized states, until jews can openly have a world government, or they might skip the war, and just have it's threat linger as fud campaign. This war isn't fought to be won by either side, it is theatrics as Zog West, and Zog East working together to disenfranchise, then kill off the last whiteys on the planet.
>>517061370Everythings possible, my Hungarian friend. People here seem to live in very old mental schemes from previous century and it might be a deadly intellectual trap.I think even averagely perceptive individual can skip to rational conclusions after 2020/2022 experience. What kind of powers might be interested in closing up entire economies and injecting entire populations with novel genetic substances whose only modus operandi is persistent elevation of populational mortality in all age groups combined with accelerated TFR reduction?Can these powers be interested in "winning war vs nuclear superpower"? It is doubtful.
>>517054121I don't necessarily agree with everything here, but I do agree something suspicious is going on, and Poland is slowly becoming less and less safe in the prospect of war. Idk about you but I'm already relocating in the following days - I don't think something will happen immediately from here on out, but the risk of Poland being dragged in went up significantly in my eyes, maybe even this year.Maybe late October/early November?
>>517061890>I'm already relocating in the following daysYou are just being a ruska onuca, coward and traitor who would be hunted even abroad xDhttps://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/7,54420,32261371,polacy-mieszkajacy-za-granica-nie-unikna-mobilizacji-w-razie.html
>>517062125Lol yeah, it's like you can't express concern over any of this nowadays without being called russian.Anyhow, I really don't think the govt will have any power to be able to bring anyone from abroad to fight for this shithole, even if they'll be ""working with other governments"" or whatever.
>>517055133The Bolanda troll is the best troll on /pol/.
>>517062213There are only two dangerous types of 'ruskie onuce'. First type is those who question a basic sense of including Poland into Russian-Ukrainian war over already insanely high engagement level. Second type is all of those who question mandatory/obligatory vaccinations. These two groups are currently prime enemies of the state hunted by ABW.
>>517062384It's very pro-russian to not want to die for Poland, after all.
>>517054121US lost and now wants to jump off scot-free. Then say it was Europe's fault Ukraine got overrun. Fuck em.
>>517062476I think Russia could be actually a main beneficiary of politics resulting in culling of ethnic Poles and their mass replacement by millions of Russian-speaking individuals from the "Ruskiy Mir". Maybe its me just being a russophobe and atributing evil intentions to Russian authorities, but if i ruled Russia, i would consider POPiS policy of "vaccination" of locals and populational replacement as benefitial for my country.
>>517062684It's easier for Trump to say it was Europe's fault than admit he couldn't actually bring peace between Ukraine-Russia, despite promising to do so.>>517062686It's hard not to see anything the govt has done lately as beneficial for everyone but poles/Poland.
>>517062686Jak to mowia, zlodziej najglosniej krzyczy "lapac zlodzieja". W tym sensie ci wszyscy antyrosyjscy superpatrioci, co probuja ograniczac wolnosci obywatelskie, i celowo narazaja zycie i zdrowie milionow Polakow pod plaszczykiem zazwyczaj wyimaginowanej "walki z Rosja" powinni byc w pierwszej kolejnosci przeswietleni przez sluzby kontrwywiadowcze w idealnym swiecie, w ktorym Bolanda takie sluzby posiada xD
>>517062991Choć z drugiej strony czemu się dziwić, całe nasze społeczeństwo zbudowane jest na tym jak zajebista była nasza walka o niepodległość i jak dzielnie walczyliśmy w powstaniach i na wojnach do II W.Ś. Polacy od młodego wieku uczeni są, że śmierć za ojczyznę jest najlepsza, nawet, jeżeli powstanie skazane jest na porażkę i spowoduje dużo niepotrzebnych śmierci (czyt. powstanie warszawskie).
>>517054121I think he's also upset about the countries that have disobeyed his master by recognising the State of Palestine.
>>517063130The "Poland, First to Fight" slogan was created by British/French propaganda just before throwing Bolanda under German bus. Back then, France just needed more time to prepare its defences, thats why Bolanda was put on the altar, lost 6 mln of citizens, went through unprecedented destruction of economy and infrastructure and ended under realsocialist regime for next 45 years. This communist regime wasnt so bad compared to current one but still, it was an occupation and vassalusation.The main goal of Polish ruling class shouldnt be "honour", or "bravery" or "anti-Russian/UFO/whatever" feelings. Its main purpose should be protection of the national tissue. Minimalisation of deaths and maximalisation of births. Thats all. Forced injecting of population with murderous gene therapies and dragging Poland into war are an exact opposite of it.
>>517063625Too bad most Popes consider dying en masse to be protection of the national tissue, as you described.
>>517062684>create a problem>sell a solutionIt's just the art of the deal
>>517063963Thats a result of cognitive manipulation. Just like recent propaganda trying to find a causal link between lack of full access to abortion and low birth rates. Logics stopped playing any role as of lately, because it cant play any significant role in new reality where elites are more interested in reduction of global population instead of maintaining unsustainable growth. It is obvious for every rationally thinking man that destruction of Polish demography is a result of post-1989 implementation of sociocultural-economical system that surpressed natural human fertility, and this falldown was significantly accelerated after 2020/2021 due to deliberate democide whose only goal was injecting Poles with a bioweapon. But in the idiocracy, in this new post-human reality, any facts stopped having any meaning.
fake and gay FUD farming threadtwo homo sovieticus disinfo peddlers, locked in a mental prison of their own design, trying to have a G4P "organic exchange"saddest thing I've seen all day
>>517054121>US tries to drag EuropeNo 'dragging' going on. The mentality of Euro leaders is totally orientated towards being Americas 'partner', they can't imagine anything else. Trump threatens to abandon them and that prospect terrifies them. For example, Merz took a call from an Washington 'insider' telling him Trump was going to pull out of NATO. Frightened by this the next day Merz announces a huge re-armament, $1.1 trillion euros of defense spending over the next decade. A kneejerk way of trying to convince Trump to stay. It was never real. The trick worked because like all Euro leaders he is deadly afraid that Trump will walk- separation anxiety and that institutional and cultural fear these 'leaders' have will continue to be ruthlessly exploited by Trump.https://archive.is/OjMaj
>>517062250amen
>>517064469Your contriburion to discussion is irrelevant. The only reason for which you seem to cling to mainstream narrative is because "covid vaccine" you took 4 years ago has not managed to destroy your health or kill you and because warmongering policy of the regime hasnt affected you personally yet. You can be sure either of these two things or even both are going to affect you, tho.The biggest disinformators are those who supposedly fight against disinformation.
>>517064469I mean, believe what you want to believe in, but as of late it's hard to deny that we could very easily become the "next Ukraine" sometime in the foreseeable future.
>>517054121Trump said he will pull out of NATO, that clearly isn't happening. American troops in Europe means they will be dragged into war involving Poland, because you're in NATO. When America leaves NATO and Europe, then you can start worrying, but then you can just surrender immediately and there is no war like the Soviets did many times in Europe. US wants their cake and to eat it but that isn't happening without them leaving fucking Europe.Trump's message there seems to be saying the opposite, he's willing to invade Russia. I'd be more worried about that.
>>517065335Those who turned Poland into a shooting range, and feel free to intrude its territory with using various means, from missiles to drones, do not seem especially concerned about rotational presence of 10k GI Joes for whose latent presence Polish taxpayer pays $15k per soldier.
>>517064850During Vietnam, Nixon pulled all the troops out of South Vietnam, then 2 years later North Vietnam invaded the South. They had already made a kind of peace deal with North Vietnam and China so there wasn't much fighting after. There was lots of time to see what was going to happen.Here the US is not moving at all, if anything they're itching closer to war, not pulling away. In order for you to become the next Ukraine, America has to leave Europe like they did in Vietnam. They are not doing that by the looks of it even though Trump said he was going to do that. They also can't just pull out overnight, there would need to be a deal of some kind and formally leaving NATO so you would know well in advance what is going on. This isn't really like Vietnam at all.
>>517065692>they're itching closer to warAt whose cost this time?
>>517065748We don't really know what they're planning, Trump is now saying Ukraine will take back everything and push to Moscow? Based on some secret data he has seen. Fuck knows what is going on, but it's not like Vietnam even though he seemed to act like that was the plan.
>>517065998the Nixon type deal he probably wanted (Paris Peace Accords in 1973, Trump will have been what, 30 when that happened?) was going to be the Alaska Putin trip. That has now been memoryholed and we don't know what was said, but that idea is probably now in the trash. Now he's saying the opposite. I think they're hoping to make it the next President's problem.
>>517065998Trump has a plan, OK. One day he says that Ukraine has no cards and loses war. Another day he says that Ukraine will regain all territories and conquer Moscow. There is no much space to draw any rational conclusions from his speeches. Even Western sovietologists who tried to guess the empires policy basing on configuration and face expressions of soviet officials during public appearances could be somehow more successful than 'experts' trying to interpret Trumps words.The only thing that matters for me is that i still do not see permanent US military bases in Ukraine and Poland filled with 100k GI Joes and backed by proper nuclear posturing.
Bolanda is now being back-patted in US MSM as a main candidate for war vs Russia. Uh oh xDhttps://youtu.be/XidLyDmOkEs?si=2YLK93n1TZmjghJF
>>517069562He lies literally in first words by saying that these drone-decoys were shot down. All of them were found in perfect condition all over Poland after they simply landed in various random locations.
>>517054121I can't agree more with OP.There seems to be coordinated psyops to frenzy Our country into war. Everyone sceptical of joinin the conflict, of escalation, or just critical of Ukraine is getting called ruska onuca.There is nothing more stupid than to join an ongoing conflict over>checks notesnon-lethal drones violating airspace.or even combat jets violating airspace
Mossad is caught red handed planning charlie's murder for months. They literally let their own people get fucked over because they could not take a christian speaking out.
>>517069562When Poland was getting into war in 1939, its birth rate was 4.7, so any populational losses could be naturally fixed after war in few decades.Poland of today has 0.9 birth rate, is infested with millions of Russian-speaking draft-dodgers who refused to defend their country from Russia and most of them barely hide hostility towards locals.I cant really imagine anything good getting out of this.
