What the f-ck did I just read.This is the dumbest, most insane statement, bar none, posted by a Western leader in the entire Ukrainian War. And that is a LOW bar to limbo under considering Trump is competing with Biden and Ursula von der Leyen.Let's start from the top.1. Trump reveals that the US intelligence community is so comically incompetent that he's still trying to figure out what the hell exactly is going on in Ukraine nine months after his inauguration, but he's pretty sure he's got it right this time.** he doesn't, he's pushing trivially debunked Ukro-propaganda and claiming that he was only pretending to be stupid earlier.
>>5170574642. Ukraine, with the support of the European Union and the United States, has spent the last three and a half years getting its ass handed to it in increasingly lopsided fashion. 1.7 MILLION killed or missing in action, every exchange of bodies for months at 40+ Ukrainians to a single Russian. The Russians are playing with their food for strategic reasons at this point and laughing while the West bleeds out. There is nothing left to give and no support left to provide, and Trump proposes only to leave the bill with his servile European date while he slips out the fire exit.
>>5170574643. A "Real Military Power" could apparently have defeated a Ukrainian Army in 2022 that was larger than the US Army - all 75 brigades of it backed by total war conscription and blank check NATO support - in a week. Sure, Trump, you're an idiot.
>>5170575193. A "Real Military Power" could apparently have defeated a Ukrainian Army in 2022 that was larger than the US Army - all 75 brigades of it backed by total war conscription and blank check NATO support - in a week. Sure, Trump, you're an idiot.4. Gas lines in Russia lmao cope. Russia is gonna collapse because the price of gas in summer during an economic boom rose by two rubles. /sarcasm5. Russia is now the 4th largest economy in the world by purchasing power parity (the actual measure of economic wellbeing), exceeded only by India, China, and the United States (not in that order). Every single indicator of economic wellbeing in Russia has improved over the course of the war. The people of Russia have literally never had it as good as they do in September 2025.
>>5170574646. Is Trump endorsing Ukrainian conquest and annexation of Russian territory? Although this is clearly a Ukrainian ultranationalist war goal, this prospect is something so insanely provocative that no Western leader has ever seriously suggested it - not while division after Ukrainian division was burning on the steppe trying to keep a toehold in Kursk earlier this year, not during the two-week period in September 2022 when the Ukrainians psyopped themselves into thinking the Russians had collapsed in Kharkov instead of merely redeployed to a more convenient line to kill them on.Y'know what I think happened? Putin probably - finally, at long last - walked away from negotiations, and rather than admit he screwed up badly Trump is now twisting himself into a policy pretzel and pretending that he's gotten FRESH NEW INFORMATION and Ukraine is totally gonna win this. Donald Trump thinks that everyone reading this moronic pronunciamento is not just stupid but gullible and easily manipulated.I trust that you, my dear readers, are none of those things.
>>517057464so basically jews want the ukraine to be bigger for zion 2.0
>>517057464quite the opposite, it's you who are retarded
>>517057595It means we’re very close to the end of it all. Luckily there’s still enough smart people in EU to understand this game! It’s his way to come out dry from the water, he’ll just say at the end that he did his best, tried to mitigate a peace deal and supported EU!
>>517057552>Sure, Trump, you're an idiot.how many jets did ukraine have at the start of the war? i'll wait
The vast majority of Europe is militarily impotent
sossi hui pidrila, jebanny vatan musor
>>517057675I love the assertion that Russia should have beaten Ukraine in "less than a week". The largest army in Europe in the largest country in Europe.Meanwhile, Trump's favorite nation, Israel, cannot beat a lightly armed militia in 2 years in spite of every conceivable advantage.
>>517057603Lol Trump changes his mind every week. Are you retarded?
What is it about aging that makes people less coherent? Trump is so well-spoken in interviews from the '80s.
>>517057723Russia is the largest country in Europe, not fucking Ukraine.Ukraine is not even 2nd biggest anymore, with the lands they lost.
>>517057741Trump statement is pre emptive cope: when this is finally over they will blabber how it took Russia x years, instead of x weeks, so that is a defeat for Russia and blame the EU for not providing enough support.
>>517057464Remember when he threatened to Sanction Russia in 2 weeks then completely forget about it?
>>517057723Putin gambled that Zelensky would get on the planeAnd he lost that betZelensky DidNotFold
>>517057464cope pidorsyour fake and gay empire is expired
He said clearly Europe you do your thing we aren't sending our people to protect you. You can resources but if this is a hill you want to defend you fucking do it. A very good message indeed. If they stayed out of it it would conclude much sooner because both sides suck and trying to draw the West in and Europe thinks that means just the US. So they can fuck off with that. At least until the 48 month temp gig is over. Then the next 48 month will probably draft you to go do stuff for Europe in Ukraine.
>>517057464KEK A ROOOOOOOOO
>>517057809>This is so stupid why would he write this insane nonsense. Here are 5 reasons why it's wrong and stupid>actually it's a pre-emptive cope strategy to get out of the conflict unscathedYou seethed so hard you forgot your own narrative
blah blah blah ziggers on suicide watchPutin confirmed a retard, all he had to do was suck up to Trump and call him a genius and great leader
>>517057999that also means that ukraine will not only get more weapons, but he also hinted that they can also invade russia, and they don't have to be scared of da nooks or crossing any red lines
Desperate ziggers getting desperate. They know russia's inevitable collapse is coming. Weak poor country is weak.
>>517057464Trump is a sofa and whoever spoke to him left leaves an impression on him. He was likely charm attacked by the King and British intelligence around Ukraine as I imagine American intelligence either ignores him or only presents information to him about things that only affect America. Maybe something spooked him and he's changed his tune but Trump is bipolar and will change his opinion the next time someone sits on him and leaves an impression.
>>517058116Newsflash: they already tried and failed miserably.
>>517057464>>517057519>>517057530>>517057551>>517057552>>517057585>>517057595>>517057665>>517057675TZD will continue until we say so. Until then, get in the fucking trench.
>>517057464He's pulling out and leaving it to the EU. He wants the EU to keep buying weapons.It's all business
>>517058308before there was a threat of "escalation" ukraine also were told to leave kursk, because nooks. not anymore, everything is a fair game. you heard recently about moscow being droned with bombs? today morning another oil refinery got explod'd. as a matter of fact, half of russia was burning last weekedn. and it only starts
>>517057464>What the f-ck did I just read.you can't read? He said good luck to russia and ukraine
>>517057464Sanctions of GTFO.
>>517057464Both Trump and Putin suck Jew cock. The whole war is a big chutzpah, a slaughterhouse for the goyim.
>>517058429>ukraine also were told to leave kursk, because nooksNaaah, it's your cope mechanism. They didn't leave Kursk region, they suffered heavy losses and were kicked out of it.
>>517058308Ukraine has been banned by the US from launching any long-range strikes, despite them having weapons capable of hitting Moscow. Ukraine has been fighting with one hand tied behind its back because the US was paranoid of upsetting Russia and triggering nuclear retaliation
>>517058608That's called tard wrangling. Russia has many more missiles than Ukraine.
>>517058685Russia constantly hits Ukrainian cities including unambiguously residential-only areas but Ukraine is not allowed to respond in kind. It's just dumb and keeping Ukraine from hurting Russia too badly, in case Russia finally declares the 15th red line has been crossed and finally launches a nuke. The Trump tweet from today though indicates he no longer seems to care about that and Ukraine is about to be let off the leash.Regardless of whether he allows it or not, Ukraine is developing its own long-range missiles for deployment later this year, so Russia is destined to get shit on soon anyway.
>>517057464You guys are such retards, you would have had it in the bag if Putin had just humored Trump like a toddler and given him the illusion of respect for a couple of remaining years of his term. Take him golfing, give him a nice watch, shake his hand and send him on his way feeling important.Winning the war would be that easy.Instead he had to do the Tsar strongman act and humiliate Trump as some kind of power play. Now Putin will lose the war.Could have played into the Trump Putin special relationship but Putin is too much of a Mongolian steppe nigger to just smile and play pretend for a while.Now your country is going to be annihilated and it's going to be hilarious.A few months ago Trump and Vance were pillorying Zelensky in the White House and accusing him of starting the war, now this.Good luck, fucker!
Trump really just said the US is never getting involved and its Europe's problem. He didn't say anything he hasn't before
>>517058773>Instead he had to do the Tsar strongman act and humiliate Trump as some kind of power play. Now Putin will lose the war.Putin has been openly humiliating Trump since the Pope's funeral months ago. The biggest surprise here is how long it took Trump to finally take the offence that was so clearly intended by Putin.
Two more weeks till the Ukrainian war machine temporarily takes back a side street in the Donbas
>>517057464Why doesn't Russia just take Kyiv then? Do you not want to win or something?
Now that Trump is pro-Ukraine, does this mean that the left will have to switch to anti-Ukraine?
>>517059459might be
>>517058821Putinke is much more composed and strategic than trump, at this paste Russia will capture donbas in 8 -14 months, at witch point NATO have choose, stop fighting or keep losing land, and that is best peace talks result they can hope for
>>517059843>at this paste Russia will capture donbas in 8 -14 monthsThis is what /pol/ was saying 8-14 months ago. Donbas is Russia's new Afghanistan. It cannot be taken and will just end in perpetual war until someone finally gives up.
>>517059843yeah, 2 more years
>>517059459Kek.Also, there's a thought that Trump wants to leave Ukraine for NATO completely. There were nothing told about USA support for Ukraine.
>>517059902it's a land war, not a timeline war
we actually dont care about ukraine or russia =w=
>>517059843>Russia will capture donbas in 8 -14 monthsDoubt it. Rest of the cities are fortified as fuck. And I doubt Russia can afford a large scale offensive at this point. Until something major will happen, like a new draft.
>>517060353Didnt know you guys have draft tought it was volontary.
>>517057464Russia has embarrassed itself eternally and nobody really takes them seriously anymore. Sorry Igor.
>>517060479There was one wave of draft at the beginning, 300k ppl from reserve. Since then it's only voluntarily.
>>517057603>flaglmao you just can’t help it
>>517057675So was russias in 2022
>f-ck
russians are losing against poorest nation in europeSTALIN would kill today's russians for their weakness shame on russia
>>517058093Why should anyone suck up to the orange cucklmao troon
>>517060647Will Ukraine take back Crimea and Donbass?
>>517058341>weLmaaaaoooooooooooo
>>517057464IDON'TCARE.
>>517057464Finally, I can now support Trump. The Ukraine thing was my one real issue with him. Based God Emperor.
>>517060722u dumbass ukraine should have fallen years ago what the fuck is wrong with russians? crimea and donbass? who the fuck knows trump thinks its possible for whatever reason
>>517057464The schizos saying the war was to depopulate and genocide Ukrainians completely to make way for new khazaria were right
>>517060722At the rate that russia's war of agression is failing, yeah, I'd say that is a very realistic possibility>>517060551For now. I have a feeling another mobilization is not too far in the future
>>517060737Stop seething you stupid mongol loser
>>517058341Sure kike lol
>>517058773>Instead he had to do the Tsar strongman act and humiliate Trump as some kind of power play. Now Putin will lose the war.He has to play role of strongman Tsar. Russians are known for only respecting strength and will immediately replace leaders they consider weak. Weakness also leads to separatism.Russian Empire, no matter what it is called, be it Tsardom, Union of Soviet Republics or Federation is a collection of ethnic groups that hate each other and only thing that has kept them historically together is a strongman protector figure or terror. Usually both.This ethnic hatred is also why Russia is so ineffective as a military power and why it is so corrupt. Everyone is just out for themselves and their particular ethnic group.Trust me. We got out the first chance we had.
>>517060811Nah, bro, I'm just looking for the opinions from outside. >>517060879Oiii blyat it's you again, anon.
>>517059843>at this paste RussiaYeah just 2 more years and 3 million pasted puccians later, they'll finally finish taking the bombed, mined, and depopulated Donbabwean "oblast". Finally r*ssia will have sufficient living space!
>>517061182This guy gets it. Every single decision since Putin took office ( from the Chechen wars to the annexation of Crimea and their full scale invasion ) was because he and by extension Russia were strong. Brought them nothing. With Russia having done nothing and saying out of Ukraine they would've been better off. Ukraine still would be years or decades away from joining either Nato or the EU, Russia would still be feared and have more influence in the world. What an absolute waste of time, money and people.
>>517060912stop coping you usless faggot tranny
>>517057464seethe more moskalnigger
>>517061616Attack on Ukraine had less to do with the possibility of them joining NATO than it has with internal divisions rising within Russia.Ethnic Russians will become a minority within their country even faster than swedes in Sweden. Something that you can fact check by google searching for Russian demographic statistics. They need ukrainians to rejoin Russia to tip the scales back for a while. This is why they also steal ukrainian children to be russofied. They need more white ethnic slavs to combat growing numbers of muslims.The longer war goes on. The worse demographics look for russians.
>>517057464Cyka blyat zigger you're getting killed by our hand outs and donations. I see your comrades dead in ditches everyday. Thrown away like rotting trash.
>everyone is angry this is great
>>517060811Russians are massive faggots. That's why they're constantly drunk and stupid because they're all so fucking gay all the time
>>517063764mad bro?
>>517057464I mean the refinery/storage/pipe sabotage has finally got to the point of having the first signs of gas shortages in Russia. Was very reasonable to be skeptic earlier (I was too), but the economy is measurably starting to go down the shitter now.>changing your POV after receiving new information is a bad thingseethe liberals.
>>517057551I'd say that the Ukrainian army in 2022 was significantly more stronger than anything that the USA faced in the past 50 years. How long it took the USA to get defeated in Afghanistan?
>>517060722No. I think the frontlines will remain largely unchanged until eventually economic pressure forces both side to agree on a peace keeping most of what they control (some minor Russian concessions like the bits of Sumy/Kharkiv in return for some reduction in sanctions)
>>517063926the US would have done whatever it took, and I mean whatever, to gain aerial supremacy. The war would not have been fought in the same way.
>>517057464>trannies like OP seethingYep, it’s based.
>>517064372I think/fear Ukraine is going to field actual AI weapons, and Russia will not be able to counter that directly.
>>517057464ukraine - arine uk- marine cuckThey are fighting over the cute boys. The only way to fix this is for Ukraine to cease to exist, and be gobbled up by the countries that border it.
All this copium will be funny to bring back when hohols will inevitably fail to do shit as usual. It's ok though if that means 30.000+ piggers will continue to disappear each month
>>517057464Trump triggers the ziggers.
>>517057464Word salad.But hey, war means no more elections, right?
>>517057464>What the f-ck did I just read.Your time is coming.
>>517060737>>517060952Total death to every eskimo subhuman zigger fuck that steals oxygen
>>517060019He's been saying for a while that America's going to stop contributing financially and that Europe/NATO will have to pick up the bill. He's distancing the US from NATO, and is happy to let Europe/NATO keep buying weapons and continue fighting if that's what they want.
>>517068251war is brutal
>>517068179I fucking love how people fall for the suicide meme when you have perfectly clean uniforms, no blood and a gun to the chin.It's a suicide bro! Russians prefer to kill themselves! Lmao British tier awareness
>>517057464He might be senile who knows.Any real army would win it in a week, he says. Any real president would stop the war in a week, he said. Donald oh Donald.
>>517069410>I fucking love how people fall for the suicide meme when you have perfectly clean uniforms, no blood and a gun to the chin.>It's a suicide bro! Russians prefer to kill themselves! Lmao British tier awareness
>>517069410>I fucking love how people fall for the suicide meme when you have perfectly clean uniforms, no blood and a gun to the chin.>It's a suicide bro! Russians prefer to kill themselves! Lmao British tier awarenessweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>517057530holy shit
>>517058608>Ukraine has been banned by the US from launching any long-range strikes, despite them having weapons capable of hitting Moscow. Ukraine has been fighting with one hand tied behind its back because the US was paranoid of upsetting Russia and triggering nuclear retaliationThe worst outcome is ziggers breaking into regional states led by oligarchs who suddenly have a nuclear arsenal. That's also why Biden didn't let them just blow up shit wherever. So yeah were making the Ukies could've won by now but the worst outcome could still happen. Take Putin off the table and you have an entire block of oligarchs looking to rule a criminal empire through nuclear threats. No one really knows how that would go nor is it predictable.
>>517057464Need a pressure release valve for radical white americans now that the government is just gonna let rabid anti white communist do whatever the fuck they want.
>>517064961It would have lost ALL of its planes. The US had the same exact strategy for defeating Germany as Russia did.>spam units You don’t need that for the Vietcong or Taliban because guerrilla wars are unwinnable with special forces.
>>517057464get in the trench ziglet
>>517057464>And that is a LOW bar to limbo under considering Trump is competing with Biden and Ursula von der Leyen.kekd
To the last Russian. This time, we finish it.
>>517069740The alternative appears to be allowing Russia to gradually push westwards into NATO territory which we're already seeing with attacks on Poland and Estonia, plus long-range weapons provocatively set up in Kaliningrad similar to how Russia did in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Europe is not going to tolerate that even if the US will, which is why Ukraine is being given long-range missiles to strike Moscow that aren't controlled by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-5_Flamingo
>>517069740If the maintenance status of their guns, soldiers, and aircraft are any indication, I would say that most of those nukes probably stopped working in the 80s, maybe 90s at best.
>>517058771So Ukraine punches Russia a bit more, the Russians retaliate, and the Frontline keeps receding? The fundamental problem is they lack the manpower they had in 22-23 to do much left. Just another weapon isn't going to resolve it.
>>517057519For me the most telling thing about his statement is the part about "economy", wallstreet told him how much they already invested in a UK victory.Also the statement reads more like: "Do whatever you want, don't care about you, but I keep selling weapons to whoever for whatever. Even funnel taxmoney into nato to then funnel back to the mic."
>>517070034Allowing Ukraine to hit Russian cities the way Russia is hitting Ukrainian cities would require Russia to pull back resources to defend their residential areas and key facilities like vehicle manufacturing and fuel production, taking some pressure off the frontlines.
Trump is used to treat everything in quarters. Like a year us in 4 quarters. Like in business.The september-december 2025 quarter has now started.This quarter, Trump wants Ukraine to take back the areas it lost. Last quarter Trump wanted Ukraine to gove up land.In january-march 2026, he will once again be in a different position, a position dictated by his close friends, prostste, and moons position.God help us all. :D
>>517070034You really can't just talk or wish people (soldiers) into existence, no matter how strong or mined up your fortifications are.
>>517057668>jetsThat obsolete shit gets rekt by modern AA
>>517057880Because there's no more direct sanctions on Russia to enact, what are they going to ban next?Oxygen for Russia? LMAO
>>517057464he basically outed himself as a globalist puppet
>>517060700you dont want to make daddy mad
>>517057464>how the fuck do we code "idk man he's lost it"
>>517057464America wants to weaken Europe so that they become even more dependant on America.
>>517069966To be clear i'm not saying it's a good thing but that is the strategic reason we can't just let them go nuts, i'm not certain any of the outcomes of this conflict are exceptionally desirable.>>517070032>If the maintenance status of their guns, soldiers, and aircraft are any indication, I would say that most of those nukes probably stopped working in the 80s, maybe 90s at best.>>517070032>If the maintenance status of their guns, soldiers, and aircraft are any indication, I would say that most of those nukes probably stopped working in the 80s, maybe 90s at best.I don't think that's a bet most of NATO want to take though.
>>517057464He is hopefully cutting them loose but it doesn’t matter either way
he's trolling NATO you midwit loony troon
>>517072862America wants Russia to fuck off from Europe, so that they can pivot to China.Right now the Ukraine war and the probes against NATO are keeping them distracted on the "wrong front" according to their own doctrine, and they can't count on European support if they abandon it.
Well this is simple, Puccia ran out of ammo, men, fuel etc according to NAFOtroon current cope, so the war should be over in 2 weeks, see you in 2 weeks when the war is over guise
Ukraine has been a terrorist nation for about a year now. They can't fight the military so they have to decided to go after civilians in the hope of stirring up an uprising against Putin. Today, more civilians killed by drones.https://www.rt.com/russia/625185-ukraine-deadly-strike-novorossiysk/Why are the American people siding with genocidal genocidal Bibi and terrorist Zelensky? What do the two have in common that makes shabbos goy like Trump go totally mad for them?
>>517072862Finally a smart bong who sees things for what they truly are
>Trump is .... le stupidShocking revelation, truly unique insight.Can we subscribe to your newsletter?
>>517072862and europe will gladly pay for it. lol
>>517057668These people act like Ukraine has received every type of weapon imaginable from NATO. The reality is, Ukraine has received less than 1% of the weapons NATO has available, most of it is cold war era stock that was rotting until now, and they've either not been given, or have not been allowed to use weapons that could strike deep into Russia.Lets be realistic here, all Ukraine has received is ammo, artillery shells, missiles and a small handful of tanks and I think aircraft? (less than 1% of what NATO has). This has been enough to effectively halt Russias advance.If you're losing to this, while having the backing of China, Iran, North Korea and India (and probably 100 other smaller nations), then you're not a superpower, you're a joke.
>>517057464>>517057519>>517057551>>517057552>>517057585>>517057665>>517057723>>517057809That’s a lot of zigger cope that I really don’t care to read.
>>517057464>>517057519>>517057551>>517057552>>517057585I think Trump's IQ and the Russian's IQ are completely unrelated, evolutionarily speaking.
>>517073195Russia produced new nukes in the 2000s you retarded faggot. Every source says they have the largest newest nuclear arsenal on earth. Do everyone a favor and KYS
>>517075683its more like 40-50 nations have sent everything they have to help ukraine and russia beat them all, show your flag shill
>>517076711Sure sure, Ukraine received like 20,000 tanks, over 15,000 aircrafts, 20 aircraft carriers, thousands of naval vessels, millions of bombs including nuclear, missiles out the ass, laser weapons, satellite weapons and more.That is what NATO actually has. And Ukraine received almost none of it.Russia has received just as much support from countries like China, North Korea, Iran and India as Ukraine has from NATO.Why don't you show your flag vlad?
>>517057464So are we going to start finally sending ukraine the good shit, or just more equipment that's decades old?
>>517078031https://www.armyrecognition.com/focus-analysis-conflicts/army/conflicts-in-the-world/russia-ukraine-war-2022/list-of-us-european-weapons-and-military-equipment-delivered-to-ukraine?highlight=WyJkcmFndW5vdiIsMl0=
>>517080105Like I said, I aint seeing a whole lot of aircraft carriers or ICBMs on that list.That entire list accounts for less than 1% of the weaponry NATO has available to it. And Russia has received just as much from China, North Korea, Iran and India (and like 50 other countries).If you honestly think Russia is fighting against the full might of NATO you're delusional.
>>517076711> have sent everything they have to help ukraineWhat’s airforce of UK, France, Germany and Poland and how much they sent?
>>5170803641%Same shit from you NATO faggot shills everytime. There is no such thing as old missile systems that were just "laying around". There never was old soviet era artillery shells "laying around".Munitons are serviceable or not. New doesnt mean shit. The "old" patriots from Israel were upgraded before they were sent to ukraine making them just as valuable as brand new systems, for example.Faggot shill
>>517057464I'm convinced that Trump is somehow just not allowed to state the obvious, but everyone knows Ukraine has been losing for years now.
>>517082613Yeah I am sure they upgraded those AK-47s with modern NATO tech. And those Dragunov sniper rifles totally got a NATO tech boost too. Those RPG-18s also got the NATO upgrade too.Like I said, most of the shit Ukraine has received is ancient cold war era shit that was given to Ukraine because it's all reaching it's use by date and it's cheaper to use it to kill some Russians that dispose of it.
>>517082613>state of the art M113
>>517083425It's kind of funny. These retards think Russia has an infinite stack of cold war era weapons thanks to great soviet minds, but there is absolutely no way at all NATO could ever have any weapon stockpiles, it's just not possible you don't stockpile weapons.The reality is this, NATO always has a huge stockpile of weapons they rotate out every so often. When a weapon is getting old, they make a new one to replace it, then mark the old one for training purposes.Ukraine is being given all the old shit that was just going to be used for training anyway.
>>517069410I have seen heads pop like balloons lol
>>517083425Thats why I said missile systemsTranny faggot shill
