>I need this because I need something reliably to get to workWhy is it normalized to get a 65k car loan now days?
>>517168884Imagine paying that much for that piece of shit. Not worth more than 30k.
>>517168884If you believe 60 grand is life changing money you need to get off of social media for a while and sort your life out.
>>517168884Because 65k is nothing and even mechanical engineers entry level salary is $120k
>>517168884You can get an FJ cruiser for like 10-15 so yeah people are retarded at making important purchases
>>517168884Well it started back when auto manufacturers realized the average boomer was a multimillionaire. Today it continues because millennials are findom cucks.
>>517169017Brother I might be poor but you are seriously out of touch if you're not shit posting.
>>517169096youre just under estimating how many people have cash burning their pockets
>>517168884I wouldn't personally pay 60k for that, and for sure wouldn't need a loan to buy it either.Lose lose
>>517169089>one of the most important jobs in society can afford this so it must not be that muchYour mom definitely took a lot of Tylenol, but good for you if it made you good at math.
>>517169017That's condo downpayment money
>>517168940Shut up circle
>>517169174You are over estimating. Most people finance these and were already broke before hand.
>>517169227ITT>I am very rich guys
>>517169017It’s about perspective and if you actually had that you would realize how stupid you statement is
>>517168940Yep, and that's fully loaded
>>517169410Is having 60k in savings or 60k in something liquid considered rich in your book?Pathetic
>>517169017It is life changing money to the retards getting a loan to pay for it.
>>517169141Time for bed grandpa
>>517169316I agree might as well get a g wagon
>>517169089If you only make $120k you definitely should not be buying a $65k car. You would think an engineer would know enough math to understand basic finance
>>517169147>seriously out of touchDo you believe everybody else in the country is a dumb nigger stocking shelves at WalMart and has zero investments?>>517169292>That's condo downpayment moneySo get a fucking job and start saving and spend your 60 grand on whatever you prioritize.
>>517168884Because people can easily afford that you fuckin peasant There a market for everyone, this is not marketed to your income level.
>>517169292If a car is 60k, a condo should cost no more than 5k. Just compare the complexity of these products. On the car, even the door handle is sound engineered and tested in dozens of crash scenarios on the HPC and in physical tests.
>>517169410>very rich>60 grandGrim.>>517169433>It’s about perspectiveCorrect and if from your perspective 60 grand is some unimaginable fortune you need to leave social media for a while and sort your fucking life out.>>517169611>the retards getting a loanYou can get very low (or no) interest on new vehicles from the factory. Assuming you're not a broke nigger living hand-to-mouth why wouldn't you just keep your money in investments that give a return every year and use free financing?
>>517169868There is no housing market for 70% in most countries.
>>517168884Ford is offering subprime lending again on F150s. Get em while they're hot.
>>517168884Get a used subaru outback retard. You don't need ford's shameless attempt to make status symbol cars.
>>517168884It's normalised because you're a bunch of retarded mutts with too much pride to look out for something smaller than a semi
>>517170071Actually I take my words before back, some of you have brains.
I have a 15 year old car and it regularly gives women the ickI have female coworkers who say they are ashamed of their boyfriend driving 5 year old BMWs and they deserve to be driven in something newThese are 30+ year old broke bitches that return cans to lidl for pennies. Either you have a nice car or you dont get pussy, simple as
>>517169017Idk but my lexus was 58k new (i bought it for 32k preowned) so it's insane to me retards would put that much money on a shitty American meme car instead of buying Toyota or a luxury Toyota(lexus) for that money
>>517169089>mechanical engineers entry level salary is $120krofl, new hires are lucky to get half that
>>517168884>only 65kIn Gayrope big SUVs and pickup trucks cost way more because don't you know you need to pay a lot of taxes to save "le environment"?Then you proceed to pay a lot more for gas every time you drive, because we don't like cheap russian oil, we support Ookraine.I wish I could afford driving in a new Dodge RAM, and have a bunch of GUNS.America sounds awesome minus the niggers, but then again you have niggers in many European places too.
>>517170292I have a 15 year oldlaptopand I finger its little clit mouseI need no bitches
i once bought a ford explorer for $5000 and that thing ran good for 10 years. sold it for $1000. now i just drive my parents old paid off vehicles that they gave me.
>>517169089Before or after taxes?It's at least 6 months of work and that's a lot of timeBut the average yearly income in america is 40 thou Thats potentially 3 years of saving while paging for life expenses.
>>517169973Irrelevant poor posting
>>517170309I woudn't dump that kind of money in any car, but I bought a bobcat for 35K this year and am putting a new standing seam roof on my garage in a couple weeks. The point is, having 50-60k to spend isn't unreasonable for someone who has put a bit of effort into getting their life together.
>>517170482looked exactly like this. i kinda miss fuckin my ex-gf in the back end of it
>>517170292My last car was a 79 cj jeep with a 4 speed stick and I had so many pussy stains on my cushions, what the fuck are you dumb fucks doing
>>517168884>Reliable >FordWhut?
if you need a loan for 65k you already failed in life
>>517168884yet, you're not bitching about cheaper cars like corollas when they're double msrp what they used to be also. those used to be $20k out the door pre-covid, and $15k out the door in the early 2000s. prices on everything went up. if you want a certain car, you have to pay for it. that simple. paying $30k after interest on a base model corolla is also dumb even though it's cheaper and more economical. at least in a bronco you can put it in 4 wheel drive and crawl over deranged antifa rioters if they try to kill you. you will get stuck with a corolla because they are so low to the ground. the front wheels would just spin on tranny's dreadlocks and they would drag you out of the car.. this is all hypothetical btw I don't condone even driving near riots.
>>517169089someones gotta stock the shelves at the supermarket and flip the burgers retard.
the thread itself displays very nicely why cars like this sell. because for a good chunk of society displaying wealth is as critical as breathing and eating. its fag behavior but very common. especially under 100iq.meanwhile fags in their 20s wouldnt be able to buy even a 10k car without getting some loan lmaoyou can stop larping now, the vast majority does not have 60k on their bank accounts.
Just get a $3000 corolla or civic
>>517168884>you can get this piece of shit or a luxury sedan Why? When did the shitty car manufacturers start charging the same as European imports?
Why would anyone buy a new car? you know how badly they are made and how many emissions systems are in their exhausts? People who know cars stick to old cars because they were built to last, most modern diesels will be lucky to reach 120,000 they are built so badly
>>517171001why do euros always think trucks and suvs are about showing off? of course there are millions of people that do that, but if you lived for one day in the us you would realize why there are so many of them. millions upon millions of people literally use them for work. even if you only occassionally need a truck for leisure, like pulling your large boat on the weekend, and you can only own one vehicle because of cost, you buy a truck. how are you going to carry lumber with a toyota yaris? how are you going to carry 500lbs of drywall with a honda fit? there is a reason that 90% of pickup trucks sold are white, they are for tradesmen. if you live in a city you wouldn't understand, everyone is a desk jockey and doesn't need a truck.
>>517171001I don't disagree with you, but >the vast majority does not have 60k on their bank accounts.It wouldn't make much sense to have so much in a bank account either considering the low interest rates and high inflation, and in my country actual tax on earnings on savings accounts. They are forcing you to spend lest you lose wealth if you just sit on the money, or to buy property because it's the only asset that has reliably outpaced inflation.
>>517171211even if i had 5.000.000$ i wouldnt buy a 60k car
>>517171096the used car market in the us is HORRIBLE since covid. I don't know how it is in europe. unironically it's often better to just buy a new car as long as it's not horribly expensive, at least you get a warranty. any vehicle that's actually even remotely desirable in the us now goes for like $15k when they have 200k miles on them. it's a fucking joke. you used to be able to buy those same cars for under $5k. those days are long over. people ask $25k for 30 year old toyotas that are rusted out.
>>517171069What year? Probably looking at a 20 year old car for that money in the UK
>>517171280I got out of the car hobby because used is so expensive now, I drive an old jeep. but you are lying saying that and you know it.
>>517169956You're not getting an interest free loan from the factory right now. You might get a 3.9% if you're >750 credit and the dealer has an incentive for the particular model you want, but most car loans are going to start at 5% as the floor and the typical buyer is going to get more like 6 or 7.
>>517171069> he thinks those exist now.maybe in canada because they're rusted completely out
>>517168940boomers jacked up the prices. broncos are fucking everywhere in FL
>>517168884Why the fuck would yield buy that POSBy a toyota they work
>>517171319da fuck, I drove a 207 and just looked up the price of them second hand these days and here you go, the diesels will do half a million km if you look after themI've watched american mechanics on youtube the the prices they were saying for shit seemed like an actual joke, like they charge 4 grand for a timing chain and shit
>>517171490quit blaming boomers for everything these days. gen x is far worse. they are running everything now. any gen x that had parents who left them the family business is responsible for being 10x worse than any boomer in history. they are greedy as fuck. the gen x who was poor and left nothing are ok, but that's only half of them.
>>517171211>you can only own one vehicle because of cost, you buy a truck.What kind of math is that?If cost is a concern you'd buy the cheapest to own vehicle i.e. something like a Corolla with low maintenance costs and good fuel economy, not a truck with terrible fuel economy and expensive maintenance.I don't drive a van just because I might need one a couple of times per year, I just rent one for a day when I need it then drive my hatchback every other day of the year.
>>517168884Why are you being antisemitic
>>517170680Bitches are like buses, next one will be along in about 20 minutes
>>517171568Ok boomer
>>517171069Late 00s early 10s
>>517171280why do turd worlders use periods instead of commas in large numbers?
>>517171536mechanic labor is retarded expensive, always has been. I don't give a fuck how "reliable" a model is, any vehicle needs maintenance. retards fall for the "toyotas just last" meme and do ZERO maintenance. then once it hits 200k miles never had any maintenance other than oil changes, they sell it to the poor sucker who falls for the toyota reliability meme and gets stuck with the 20+years of neglected maintenance. virtually every suspension, braking, and hoses need to be replaced. I've always done my own work out of necessity of being poor. most can't though and american mechanics rape you. like I said, used car prices are retarded though. the day of $2500 used cars in great condition ended in like 2013
>>517168884>I need something to compensate for being a tiny dick manletWhy are truck fags like this?
>>517169096No you can't.
>>517171568>gen x is far worse
>>517171719car manufacturers could use more durable parts but they don't
>>517171580I'm talking about if you need a truck for regular but not daily stuff. if you can afford two vehicles, you get an economical car and a truck. otherwise you just get the truck. they don't get that bad of gas mileage because most american driving is at 70mph highway speeds. the trucks are only doing like 2k rpm at that speed.
>>517168884you are in USA. Fet cadillac CT4-V. Manual transmission, 6 cyl, rwd, sedan, everything I want in a car. Ofcourse it would be insanity to buy cadillac here as no one works on them. Only car that is 6cyl, manual rwd sedan is BMW M3, and those are expensive.
>>517168884We can get fully loaded BYD shark in Aus for 60k, that’s 40k USDChinese EVs are basedThanks for the tariffs and cheap cars suckers
>>517171792they used to. europeans made popular the modern plastic valve covers, intake manifolds, and ridiculous amount of plastic piping in engine bays. now we have to deal with all that shit. I can't tell you how many hoses and plastic tubes I've had to replace in cars that aren't even that old because it's just brittle as fuck and degrades in like 10 years..
>>517171734>>I need something to compensate for being a tiny dick manlet>Why are truck fags like this?Thats not even a real truck, anything under a 3/4 ton is basically a womens vehicle.
>>517168884Because the U.S. is collapsing in real time. USD is down to 57% global share.
>2025Are you guys underage? You know you buy older models to save money right? Check miles, repair/service history etc which the seller is obligated to provide. Especially if you just want point a to b there's no reason to ever buy a new car. Msrp for a 2026 sedan in this price range is like 23k even. Unironically stay poor.
>>517171936Yellow hands typed this. Yall figured out how to make one not spontaneously catch fire?
>>517171936EVs cost long term if you plan to keep them for 20 years though. toyota hybrid systems are the only electrified cars that even make sense. they have a proven track record long before anyone else, they're simple, and cheap to repair if you have issues with the batteries. what good is an EV with a short lifespan in comparison? sure, you save money on fuel in taht time, but then you have a vehicle that is not built for real longevity like 30 years unless you plan to spend tons of money on new batteries..
>>517171936chinkoid cars here cost more or same as european counterparts, only cheaper ones are really shitty cuckovers. BYD Seal costs more than BMW i4 or VW id7 and alot more than Tesla 3. BYD Seagull costs same as Renault 5, Geely Coolray costs same as Škoda Kamiq(for similar equipment), basic Škoda is cheaper alot.
>>517172008do you know how much used cars cost? it's not 2015 any more grandpa. motherfuckers ask like 90% of msrp after it's got 60k miles and the warranty is up. lmao
>>517168884the people who are saying $60k isn't that much and just get good and sort your life out are the people who will eventually be poor, forever. people who get and stay rich never never spend money wastefully, especially for purchases over 1% of net worth. if you're sitting on $6M+ sure throw away $60k on a car, but there are way more poor retards riding around in $60k trucks than there are multi-millionaires
>>517171936yet you don't own one. uncle xi not paying enough for the shilling, chang?
>>517168884Cash for clunkers jacked up used cars, and modern vehicles are overbuilt crash cages. The modern car is a hulking beast built so Karen can pound a white claw and live through a 90+ MPH wreck. Karen also needs to be surrounded by $20k in touch screens to feel entertained while not paying attention to the road.Trucks are insanely overbuilt and many have v6 engines or turbo/hybrid engines that can barely pull their own frames, never mind actual loads.Fed regulators and auto designers should be gassed, modern vehicles are bloated monstrosities.
>>517169089>bro just be an engineer It's gonna suck when your visa expires, Ranjeet.
>>517168884>tfw paid $10,000 for a one year old Honda 20 years ago that would have been $20,000 brand new>tfw still driving it
the old broncos were cool. the new ones look like ass. in my area it looks like they're giving away bronco coupons or something, because i see them everywhere.
>>517172564the one good thing about the new broncos is that they are available with a manual transmission.
>>517168884Is there a particular reason why you need a Ford Bronco as a commuter vehicle? I drove a 2015 Jetta for eight years that I bought for $26000, it gave me next to no issues in that amount of time, and I would have happily driven it for another 100,000 if some old bitch had actually been looking where she was going, and hadn’t totaled it. Now, I’m about to buy a 2024 Jetta with only 10000 miles on it for $22000, and I’ll probably go on to drive that for another decade or more.
>>517172399>many have v6 engines or turbo/hybrid enginesi don't know much about vehicles, but isn't that mostly just hybrids/EVs? pretty sure anybody that plans on towing actual shit isn't going to be buying those. they are meant for cityfags who want to drive to the mountains an hour way and fist themselves.
>>517172399>that can barely pull their own frames, never mind actual loadsit's fascinating to me that americans want big cars and brag how they haul ahit around in them but rarely put diesel engines in them. Ford Ranger/VW Amarok are only available here with VWs V6 TDI, Toyota Hilux, again, diesel only, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Mercedes all diesels.
>>517168884Because my 2015 is worth $18,000. Just under a third of the price. No OnE pAyS sTiCkEr pRiCe.
>>517172530based10k for a one year old car is a good price even for a shitbox. what kind of honda we talkin about?
>>517172530the only downside to this is that you're dead when you get hit by Juan in his 5000lb truck.
>>517172564yep, get a used toyota landcruiser or FJ. thank me later for not owning a pos ford
>>517168884Just buy a new Dacia Sandero for 13k and call it a day.
>>517172722Ford F150 has a turbo v6 instead of a v8, it barely pulls a trailer. Toyota Tundra is a hybrid v6, once again it used a v8.
>>517172768U.S. gasoline has historically been cheaper than in Europe, that's one of the reasons. Gas is cheaper than diesel.
>$60k is a lot of money Get your money up broke ass bitch lmao
>>517172893not even single DIN radio unit. 0.9l engine, Trabant was made of stronger stuff>>517173063but consumption is alot lower in diesels, especially when you haul shit. Diesel barely notices increase in weight
>>517172722>i don't know much about vehicles, but isn't that mostly just hybrids/EVs? pretty sure anybody that plans on towing actual shit isn't going to be buying those. they are meant for cityfags who want to drive to the mountains an hour way and fist themselves.i mean, if it's a v6 that means it has 6 cylinders. i'm not sure if the EVs list them as engine equivalents.i bought a big silverado and live in the country. takes me 15 minutes to get to the store. costs me $2 in gas each trip. i bought my wife a faggy ford shitbox which is more fuel efficient and i should be driving that but i'm retarded.
>>517168884>why is it normalized to get a 65k car loan nowadays?+$10k increase just from bidenflation over the last couple years, and I’m not kidding, check for yourself in an inflation calculator if you want to fuck up your day.+$20k because you picked a special editionThe base price of the bronco is $40k, remove the $10k from bidenflation, and then you have the same price that a truck/SUV would cost in like 2010.tl;dr you’re a retard and anyone who didn’t see through this is also a retard
>>517173134you can get diesel trucks here if you want. most farmers and ranchers use em.
>>517169514If you have no debt and $10 in your pocket you are better off than the average American
>>517173536so people that actually need those trucks put engine that can properly utilise that chassis. Good.
>>517173134let me guess,you need more?
>>517170680Why did she only do anal? Why are you calling her an it?
>>517172564Really? I always thought old broncos looked trashy. I actually like the new look.
>>517173609almost 80% of all commercial vehicles are diesel in the US
>>517171936I wouldn't take an electric car near saltwater.
>>517173617yes, okay fuck radio unit, can buy that for 50 euro. But noise insulation is non existent and engine is tiny but suprisingly reliable. It's deathmobile. For 15k you can buy used top speced golf 7 with 2.0 TDI that is more spacious, comfortable, quieter, useful, better equiped etc
>>517173571$60k for a car is a mad amount of money in anyone's book.No average person has that kind of cash to shell out of an average car. Most are in debt for hundreds of thousands with housing costs alone.Maybe 10% of the population is doing well but the other 90% have fuck all and live on credit.
>>517173478>>why is it normalized to get a 65k car loan nowadays?i bought a used silverado for 28k. i asked for a discount if i paid upfront. dealer said i would get a better deal if i financed, because that's where they make all their money. i said i would write them a check now. they would only come down 500. whatever.
>>517169017The median US salary is 62k$. If you don't believe its life changing money maybe you should get out of your mansion a bit more and actually deal with numbers you retard
>>517171069Good luck, obama had all of the old cars rounded up and exterminated.
>>517173609to be fair, our v8s have had 350+ torque for decades. now they have like 400+. they can absolutely pull shit even without diesel. diesel is only needed for heavy trailer towing.
>>517173887I told you faggot FUCKOFF THIS IS WHY NO ONE LIKES THE ENGLISH
>>517173670>Really? I always thought old broncos looked trashy. I actually like the new look.new look is trash. an old bronco will fetch 80k if it's mint.
>>517168884Because you're defined by what you drive dumass
>>517173919the American way is to take out 5 loans at once. the difference between most "rich" americans and a poor is how many loans they will lend you.
what?
>>517174024i used to drive a granny car oldsmobile around and fuck chicks in it all the time lol. i mean i probably would have got more pussy with a new truck, but the type of woman who is gonna fuck you over your vehicle isn't one you should be dating.
>>517171936>chinese evWhat do you do when it immolates you and your family for braking a little hard?
>>517170309Let me guess, "TOYOTAS LAST FOREVER, I JUST PUT A NEW ENGINE IN MINE, GOD THESE THINGS JUST KEEP GOING AND GOING"
>>517174007It was a mistake to let any wogs into the USA - although Washington did try to prevent it.Now we see the tawdry results of the rest of the world genetic garbage thinking that they are Americans after turning up in a wog boat in 1900.Sad many such casesWill your ancestors flyblown village take your unlovely carcass back?
>>517173868dude, it has radio wtf are you talking about , kek.Has even carplay .. post the link
>>517170309most toyotas have been manufactured in the us for over a decade now. kek. Shaniqua and Jose assembled your Tacoma.
>>517173973400? Pound feet I assume. That is around 500 something Nm, same as BMW diesel sedan, 6 cyl but still, 2l diesel is at above 400 Nm
>>517174315not in essence equipment package that costs 15k euros
>>517174024>Because you're defined by what you drive dumassconsuuuuuuuuuuuuumer mindset. i can tell brown hands typed that post
>>517174379gearing also matters, as well as many other things. they also have hp to go with that torque. torque isn't that impressive when there is no hp to go with it. americans learned that a very long time ago in the 1950s.
>>517174208looked exactly like this. was a very smooth driver.
>>517168884you can thank the NYFed's owners, once againJPM robbing illegal immigrants in the US with super high rate Tricolor loans, while also undercutting American citizens' ability to purchase cars.JPM and Barclays using ITIN numbers to fleece desperate immigrants.Then these two NYFed primary dealers are about to fleece investors out of billions, too, b/c they also sold these ridiculous subprime car loans as ABSs (asset-backed securities) kek. https://www.livemint.com/companies/company-results/jpmorgan-fifth-third-among-banks-facing-losses-tied-to-tricolor-11757470534768.html>enabling illegal immigration>NYFed primary dealers>new Dallas/Texas financial exchange and its 'value chain'>increased rates for auto loans>increased car prices>US fucking government working directly to undermine the American middle class (of every fucking color, too)
>>517170309>luxury >lexusyeah it's a toyota with a better paint job
>>517174025Most americans worth a shit live on loans, it's ironic but true. The well off ones just have enough money to put a substantiable down payment on it.
>>517171280>even if i had 5.000.000$ i wouldnt buy a 60k carI have 5.000.000$ because I don't buy 60k cars
>>517168884do people buy these? actually, scratch that. I've seen one near me.
>>517174482330d is paired with ZF-8 tranny, aka best automatic transmission ever made, though would not be any use for a truck/offroader. It has 260ps, which is plenty power for most uses.
>>517174718seems like a soccer mom vehicle to me
>>517172722>>517172399Once again y’all don’t know shit. Electric motors are the king of torque, speeding down a highway is where you want gas. That’s why hybrid/electric cars are much faster off a full stop and why the huge fucking mining trucks you see have a diesel generator powering an electric drivetrain.
>>517174643this. what the fuck do people even do with these stupid ass cars? feel smug about themselves? they're still caged like animals surrounded by traffic.
>>517174559How can a depreciating asset be held as a security?
financing can be a better option, then instead of paying cash for something you can put that money in a bon depreciating asset and the asset will pay for your loan.
>>517169089The car is still half your yearly salary. Not worth it. Something 10 years older are often times even better
>>517174859yup just get a 98 corolla
>>517173868>For 15k you can buy used top speced golf 7 with 2.0 TDI>A volkswagen golf for 15kRepairs would cost you another 15k easily.. The sandero can stay alive for 200k km and then you buy a new one. or whatever.>>517174428non-sense.. every new dacia sandero has it. In romania we don't even have 'essential' package so idk what to tell you,buy it from a different country maybe..
>>517174828lolmagical accounting by the NYFed<<----another example
>>517174957and another magical moment
>>517168884because you're dumb and have to have new things. probably spoiled by your family since you constantly sperg out
>>517174343Some Lexus, like the GX series, are made in Japan
I just inherited 300k from my dad so I'll probably buy some nice cars
>>517169089>mechanical engineers entry level salary is $120knigga, I kek'd.
>>517175044I know that, but most japanese vehicles made for american market are mad in america. hell, most of the actual engineers who design them for the american market have been american people for decades. even in the 90s, honda accords and corollas we had weren't even sold in japan
>>517175087that's a waste in this market. you should buy real estate in desirable areas. rent tem out, then sell them in 5 years when the value is double.
>>517174893
>>517169089120k after taxes you're legit almost paying your entire years salary for a car
Who cares? Americans are subhuman, they deserve to be debt slaves.
>>517174815>Once again y’all don’t know shitthat's what i said tho
>>517174893>Repairs would cost you another 15k easilyon what drugs are you on? Even most fucked up 2.0 tdi fully rebuilt everything from engine to transmission and brakes would be 3k top, certinly not one that costs 15k.>The sandero can stay alive for 200k kmnot denying that, saw Dacia taxis with same engine with over 500k. But it's a sad existance. 2.0 tdi engines also reach that mileage easily with only oil changes. Unless you bought GTD or 1.6 with siemens injectors>non-sense.. every new dacia sandero has it. In romania we don't even have 'essential' packageso we are getting robbed here. New one with "essence" package is 16k I am nkt sure if it even has electric windows.>>517174893pardon, it's essence package
>>517168884Get a Dacia for 10k, put the remaining 50k in the market. Over the next 10 years see 50k grow to 135k, while the sucker who took out a 60k loan ends up paying 100k back to the bank for a vehicle that effectively does the same as your Dacia. Regardless of how much money you have justifying buying this 60k car over a new 10k car is a poverty mindset.
I just rented a Bronco for a week, it was pretty great. One of the only good things Ferd has done in recent years.
>>517174815People forget lound does not equal efficientBut who am I to judge monkeys
OP, just buying new doesn't mean reliablemany of my friends have all sorts of problems with their brand new cars b/c of being over-engineered>>517174559pic relatedNYFed primary dealers are about to fleece investors out of billions, too, b/c they also sold these ridiculous subprime car loans as ABSs (asset-backed securities) kek.
>>517175424>NYFed primary dealers are about to fleece investors out of billions, too, b/c they also sold these ridiculous subprime car loans as ABSs (asset-backed securities) kek.
>>517175459>>NYFed primary dealers are about to fleece investors out of billions, too, b/c they also sold these ridiculous subprime illegal immigrant car loans as ABSs (asset-backed securities) kek.
>>517175288i could pick any random American off the street and i guarantee they are probably more interesting to be around than you are.
>>517170309Cars have just gotten more expensive... I bought my car in 2017, it was pre owned two years old. And then when covid hit prices of cars skyrocketed.So I thought why not, let's see how much I can get for my car. I traded in my car for the same fucking price I bought it, for a brand new car.
>>517175516>>>NYFed primary dealers are about to fleece investors out of billions, too, b/c they also sold these ridiculous subprime illegal immigrant car loans as ABSs (asset-backed securities) kek.
>>517169735Half the country makes less than 50k/y pre-tax, retard. You are out of touch.
>>517168940> Not worth more than 30k.Correct. It’s a depreciating capital investment. Only an idiot pays that much for a car.
>>517174605Once you throw the option packages onto a Toyota, the price is up close to a Lexus base model.Since I put low mileage on cars I would totally buy some two year old car with 50k miles already on it, except they price these way too high. They pretend they have some 500k lifespan with constant maintenance costs and user experience.
>>517170908based
>>517173868>It's deathmobile.Granted, the low euroncap score is mainly because it lacks modern pedestrian safety features,
>>517175087Good example of how poorfags are created. This guy has the opportunity to set himself up for life but instead he will choose to have cool toys for a couple years. T. 3M net worth driving an econo shitboxThe peace of mind from sitting on a large horde of money is priceless
>>517168884Last 2 vehicles I have purchased, I purchased in cash. Just don't buy one until you can afford it.
>>517174957>>517175006Kek a level of jewing the books that shouldn't be possible in any known universe
>>517175423my car was so cheap I couldnt pass it up 15k for a car that needed 5k in work. :)
>>517168884Cars are appliances. Anything more than that is Jewish marketing. Buy a Corolla or a Camry or a Prius. It will run for 15 years and be cheap to maintain
>>517175364Dude LMAO, with these newer volkswagen slop cars after 200k everything goes to shit, electrical and mechanical parts not to mention the paint that degrades and rust that accumulates. ,in the end it compounds to 10-15k to fix a 200k km 2.0 tdi in the span of another 200k km.But i'm sure your 'neighbour' ca do it for 3k tops if you buy him a case of beers.>But it's a sad existanceIt's a decent mode of transportation in a very bad economy. Don't overthink it..Sure if you're lucky maybe you can find a second-hand skoda that can help you for another 200k km with minimal repairs ,if you're lucky. Cars are not what they used to be..>so we are getting robbed herebasically. If a dacia sandero is so expensive in croatia I don't even want to imagine how much it costs to repair a volkswagen that's out of warranty at 200k km. kek .
>>517173478This.But there's a few coping poorfags in this thread. So someone wants a vehicle to do a little offroading and enjoy their life. Who cares?
>>517173021Multiple engine options, evidently the 3.5 does pull better than the v8.
its obvious /pol/ is full of busriders you fags dont know shit about cars
>>517173571It's far between ''doing good'' and being ''rich'' regardless.It's extremely gay to put the middle class on a pedestal only because you're dirt poor.
>>517168884The new broncos are for high school kids with daddy's credit card who are pretending to be men. My '25 gladiator was 40k, not even just shy, and that's got a bed, truck frame, hitch and better towing capacity than a tacoma. Only drawback is that it's a bit cramped inside but gotta say glad I went for it. Yes I use it for work daily. Need an offroad with a bed and hitch.
>>517176435wtf are you talking about. I have Golf with 2.0 tdi, 215k km on the clock. Literally oil and filter changes once a year. Outside of of that in last 40k km of my ownership I replaced tires and brake pads. I do it myself, parts are cheap. I would like to replace transmission oil soon, even though it's for life, but oil is cheaper than a transmission. Previus owner(german peasant) replaced belt and waterpump. Yearly service at porsche centre for such car is 300 euros, I do it myself for 100 euros of parts and 1h of my time in garage.
>>517169089> Because 65k is nothing and even mechanical engineers entry level salary is $120kYou’re either a troll or a severely cognitively challenged paste eating retard. You have no concept of money or budgeting if you think paying half your yearly salary on transport is reasonable. Mu current salary is $280k and I could ‘afford’ to buy a new $65k car if I chose to, but I would never be that stupid. I don’t want my money going to the financing Jew. I buy used cars and maintain them well. I drive a 10 year old BMW and a 12 year old 4x4 pickup, both in excellent condition. Both paid off.
>>517171096This.Not only because of build quality.Anyone who is financially literate knows you don't buy a quickly depreciating asset on your personal expense, and you certainly don't get a high interest loan to do so.If you're a normie fag who must impress other low IQs with your shiny trinket, just lease it
>>517168884i took the mk1 renault twingo pill
>>517177140To build on this: if you view a car as a mere appliance that gets you from A to B, you are an undeniable NPC
>>517168940Sounds like you're interested in the Baby Bronco!
Why are all the engines 1.5L now? what a pitiful existence
>>517176224>shouldn't be possible in any known universe<<<--notice on the top half of pic rel the NYFed squeezes out the citizens' currency and pays its ilk instead, while also buying houses and bondsit clearly prioritizes enriching its private owner banks over the citizens having a currencywhy doesn't trump ever mention this?b/c fucking trump thinks the Fed is the housethe FUCKING US TAXPAYER IS THE FUCKING HOUSE
>>517177140There is something to be said about buying the upper trim 4x4s. They don’t depreciate like rocks which is honestly pretty good. Regular cars that poorfags look at new do though and you can lose 20% just from driving them off the lot.
>>517168884they made those so fucking gay. its an abomination
>>517176917>I tell him everything goes to shit after 200k km>he tells me his 200k km car is still good after minor repairsI wish the best to you anon. once you hit 400k km on the clock let us know how it went and what's gonna be the next 200k km second-hand 15k car you will buy.
>>517173919Thats average, median is way lower
>>517170121>volkswagen shitmobile>40k for a fucking sedan
>>51716888>65K$ for a nigger made plastic junk The Automobile industry in mutt-land is collapsing.
>>517175710yea. but you are better than them, king.
>>517177761you say that like there are no golfs with such mileage, have seen them and worked on them.
i just bought an 05 Yukon with with 5.3 vortec. 200k miles and it will still be on the road whem those massive pieces of shit are in the junkyard.The interiot is kinda ragged out but I plan on redoihg all the carpet and seat upholstery myself. Paid 6k for it. Full time 4x4. New trans. Rebuilt motor at some point. Drives like a Cadillac. Older vehicles are better than this new crap.
>>517170292> I have female coworkers who say they are ashamed of their boyfriend driving 5 year old BMWs and they deserve to be driven in something newThe self entitlement of the modern woman is astounding. Those bitches should be taking the bus.
>>517178066You're a good guy,I wish nothing but the best for you.
>>517177549The fuck they dont. Probably lost half the value driving it off the lot.
>>517176144I was trolling but what should I do
>>517170661> but I bought a bobcat for 35K this year and am putting a new standing seam roof on my garage in a couple weeks.Spending money on housing repairs or a work item is not the same as spending it on a depreciating vanity item.
>>517178437Done it plenty of times.
>>517170292>broke bitches that return cans to lidl for penniesWhen they get a quarter they can drive a shopping cart
>>517171096> People who know cars stick to old cars because they were built to last, most modern diesels will be lucky to reach 120,000 they are built so badlyCorrect. Buy older quality manufacturing made by white men, not some DEI accounting exec.
>>517168884Buy a £1000 Mk5 Golf TDI.
>>517168884>because thing exists it's normalized
A lot of people are up to thier neck in debt. One paycheck away frim losing it all. I see them driving these expensive rigs they "need" for work all the time. They baby them like Grandpa used to baby his classic cars. Its all vanity. These are the kind of people that rip off the elderly. Quote them jobs way over the market price and sell them shit they dont need. Then have a bunch of Mexicans come in and do the work. While they scream MAGA.
>>517171568The entire generational warfare shit to redirect blame on to boomers/genx/millenials/zoomers/etc instead of the very few wealthy people controlling the economy is 100% a kiked psyop.
>>517179071>the very few wealthy people controlling the economy10% to be exactthat is a lot of people~30M people benefiting from borrowing our own currency~310M barely surviving the rat wheelthis is a recipe for failure
ITT: Poorfags seething
>>517179500This isnt sustainable.
kek Robinhood's Chief Compliance Officer is on CSPAN right now lolololol
>>517179500kek
>>517168884You don't need a 2025 Ford Bronco.
>>517168940Which of the following does it have: Turbo, wet belt, GDI, 0w oil, stop start, low tension piston rings, pcv bollox?
It's crazy seeing used cars that are 5 years old or less with 100k+ miles on themDo these people really spend all day every day just driving back and forth to different locations???
>>517179668on right now
>>517179500This is the only statistic in which I'm white.
>>517172218> but there are way more poor retards riding around in $60k trucks than there are multi-millionairesThis. In the US, we call it nigger rich. Driving an expensive car on a 27% interest rate, but not being able to afford shoes for your kids.
>>517179946Yes. They have crews of Mexicans working for them. They drive around to crack the whip between MAGA rallies.
>>517172893> Dacia SanderoGood news!
>>517168940Lol ? Its made of plastic and paper thin metal that car cost probably less than 1k to produce the only materials worth any money would be the sensors for the rare metals content the rest of the car is worthless even glass cost pennies to produce then they make them up collosal amounts for the sole purpose of squeezing your pockets to gain maximum profits. I drive a shitbox civic +20 years old and its more fuel efficient than new cars today. The industry is created to keep you in debt as a slave paying for as long as you can
>>517173118stay poor faggot
>>517170292Keep your 15 year old car perfectly clean and looking like the day it rolled off the lot and they won't feel any ick.> T driving a 2004 Toyota Prius moded the fuck out
>>517174209the chink evs are coming for your shitty unreliable gov subsidised shit.
>>517169174'burning a hole in their pocket'fucking retard
>>517173894> asked for a discount if i paid upfront. dealer said i would get a better deal if i financed, because that's where they make all their money. i said i would write them a check now. they would only come down 500. whatever.That’s why you initially finance, then write a check the next week to pay it off. It screws the dealer out of 6k in profit off the financing.
>>517180556Dealers are some of the worst humans alive. Half the dealerships are run by literal niggers.
>>517171211>need a truck for leisure, like pulling your large boat on the weekendYou're part of the problem, retard. Hauling a bag of mulch is not a reason to own a truck. Also, modern trucks aren't even built for work, they're way too high up and plastic trash. It's all about status for little 5'8" anglo manlets.
>>517174559
Money is often falsely equated with productivity, intelligence, class, success, integrity, and/or good taste. If you equate success with money, you will likely be perpetually dissatisfied, in a constant state of longing.But if you VALUE THINGS WHICH CANNOT BE BOUGHT, such as:communityfamilywork ethicintellectfitnessperseverance cleanlinesshonestyintegritycompassiontraditionloyaltyreliabilitypatiencehumorIf you value the above, you will always be content and successful, no matter where you are or what you do.Judge yourself by deed, not possession.Money does not make food.Labor, Seeds, Land, Air, Sun, and Water make food— we have ALL of these things WITHOUT fucking money. If you remove JUST ONE of these items, YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUCKING FOOD. MONEY DOES NOTHING BUT ACT AS A QUANTIFIER FOR FUCKING TRADE.We cannot have unearned income AT THE EXPENSE OF earned income. Finance must be the servant of production, not its master.
>>517180775My 05 used Yukon will out tow any bronco shitbox
>>517171211>how are you going to haul all of this stuffBuy $1000 trailer that basically any car can tow.Nigger brain. Looking for justification to feel bigger becaues he is a 5'6" anglo manlet or a mexican.
>>517172893>13k Maybe 5 years ago. Now they are like 20k euros
>>517168884Just buy a used Honda or Toyota and be done with this.
>>517175087> I just inherited 300k from my dad so I'll probably buy some nice carsBuy real estate retard. And pay off your debt.
>>517180775Modern trucks are far far better than the old ones.
>>517168884Get a Toyota or a kia and save money
>>517171936Imagine being such a large nation but unable to build a domestic vehicle. Then, completely cucking and buying a chink mobile.
>>517181011lol
It's insane. I bought the luxurious british sedan in picrel for $3400 and drive to work every day feeling incredibly superior to all the soulless transportation boxes around me. It boggles my mind that people spend so much money on ugly cars nowadays.I ask them, and they say they're afraid of buying a used car, or they geniunely want the stupid gimmick computerized features that modern faggotmobiles come with. Philistines
>>517175424>many of my friends have all sorts of problems with their brand new cars b/c of being over-engineeredCovid fucked the supply chain and everything right now is built like shit. It will be years before it normalizes to decent quality.
>>517168884
>>517172768why do fags like you open your mouth when you literally have no concept of the american vehicle market? especially when your shit country produces and has never produced anything of value or note
>>517168884I'm a 16-year-old girl and need this to safely drive 2 miles to and from school everyday.
>>517169017That's literally more than the average American makes in a year BEFORE taxes or expense.It would take a solid 5% or 10% of your life for the average American to be able to afford that thing outright, assuming they have no other large expenses come up.
>>517168884>meanwhile me paasing you in my golf 3
>>517181137Yep. I just bought an old Yukon SLT and its peak early 2000's luxury. Solid Steel frame, Solid body. Looks 10X more like an actual truck than these fag mobiles they sell now for 100K.Shit. I could drop a new engine in this thing and still not even be close to the annual interst on one of the new ones.
>>517175087And this is why you will stay poor.
>>517176222> Last 2 vehicles I have purchased, I purchased in cash. Just don't buy one until you can afford it.Same. I haven’t had a car loan since 1999. Just live within your means.
>>517180993I'm in Florida i cant buy shit with 300k
>>517168884The auto tranny in those things are garbage. Also i wouldn't trust the engine. The truck will be rusted out in a decade if you live in the midwest.
>>517171719Imagine not fixing your own car
>>517181410That is sad because Florida use to be a cheap place to buy a house..and not even that long ago.
>>517169017You can make 5k life changing money if you are smart enough. You can only imagine spending money and not investing on your career, education, zipcode, and body because you're stupid and super retarded.
>>517181465A lot of people dont have the equipment or space to do it.
>>517181500GOP ran Florida into the ground.
>>517181011only fuel injection and disk brakes. other than that they're faggot mobiles. boomer recliners
>>517168884Modern cars are fucking trash thats now designed to be cockblocked by intrusive, unnecessary internal computers. Any faggots who owns anything post 2020 are retards who are literally asking for it. Uncle Ted was right. Were living in an age where you can still get a reliable used workhorses, like a 2005 Tahoe, and people will be yearning to return to these days in the near future after everything ages out pretty soon.
>>517168884 Are you living in a meth shack in the middle of the swamp or something? I paid 14k for the car on the pic. But we have roads and bridges here.
>>517181712My 05 Yukon has four wheel disc brakes I just changes out.
>>517170292>These are 30+ year old broke bitches that return cans to lidl for pennies.I have never seen women be that money savy. Their idea of being thrifty is buying "half" priced clothing with cumstains in the flea market.
>>517181108I speak truths. Old ones are gone for around town and aesthetics.
>>517181835i see, this 5'2" anglo manlet is under water with his vanity loan...
>>517181728I just bought a 05 Yukon and its fucking awesome.
>>517181712Hopping from a new truck to one of my old ones is a very stark difference. New doesn’t really care what’s behind it while the old ones do.
>>517181410There is plenty in perry area. You could easily build your own warehouse, or home and buy the land for 300k.
>>517181059>social bondThat must be some Blackrock DEI bullshit.
>>517181968Missed my by about a foot and it’s paid off. Are you projecting?
>>517179500I could look at you and tell you were going to be a worthless 1 post nigger
>>517180556>That’s why you initially finance, then write a check the next week to pay it off. It screws the dealer out of 6k in profit off the financing.dude wasn't coming down in price even if i financed, so i just came back two days later with a check for the entire amount
>>517181143i have a new (rebuilt) motor in a 2010 babied suvit is pretty nice and doesn't have all the screens and cameras i use a garmin sometimes
I have paid 8 k euro for my last car. Drives fine.
>>517182068kek
>>517180137That image actually made my stomach turn. Then I saw the text and I got even more sick
>>517181410Put $200k down on a duplex, finance the remainder and then rent them out. You’ll have positive cash flow.
The bronco is a rip off the only thing going for it is the exterior looks good
>>517181712Trucks from the 90's have fuel injection and abs disk brakes literally peak
>>517169096Yeah bullshit. Only if it's completely ruined.
>>517169147He's shit posting. Like anyone that thinks $65000 ($100000 up here) is pocket change is wasting their time here. He's fucking yellow brown and 112 lbs. And back to the OP, they want you completely dependent on them, owning nothing, and being happy about it (or else).The clot shots proved they can do it.
kekek they're really trying hard live now on CSPAN3 to talk boomers into holding debt based stablecoinssome context:https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/505237484/^^^ A thread about the NYFed and its ilk now trying to convince the boomers to switch from private Federal Reserve-issued, debt-based Federal Reserve Notes to privately-issued, debt-backed stablecoin tokens. This is going to be priceless to watch. Neither of these currency options benefit the citizens, they only benefit the private issuer. Will boomers sell out once again to the banks to save themselves from a failing system that they created? One last fuck you to the country as they insulate themselves in their private tokens?And in the next orchestrated crisis, are the boomers’ new asset tokens to become worthless, as the payment platform is the ultimate claimant to any reserve assets in a crisis or bankruptcy?When is the currency going to be restored to the people? Don't US taxpayers have a right to a debt-free currency issued by their own treasury?Pic related was just passed.This is just entitled boomer classists driving the fucking country into the ground for money (mostly from the now-bankrupt NYFed's QE policies) and now destroying the US taxpayer's currency (the fucking US$, which is A FUCKING UNIT) on the world stage with the Fed’s issued-into-oblivion, worthless Federal Reserve Note.How fraudulent do you have to be that you can actually destroy a fucking unit of measurement? lol holy fuck
>>517170292I have a 1990 Nissan safari 4.2 that I turbo'd and put 33's on. It's rusty and the interior is rough, and I get all the beautiful intelligent interesting pussy I could ever want. You having zero taste is why you'll always be stuck chasing roasties with zero soul just like you.You get what you fucking deserve.
boomers just spent decades crying about the planet and now want the most expensive infrastructure, energy intensive, water-using, elitist, possible currency they can come up withat this point, the more you use your cell phone the more responsible you are for your own demise
>>517171936If you owned a car you'd have posted one of thre thousands of proud pictures you'd have taken of it since you got it. You are brown garbage, not even deserving the title of human.
>>517183807no federal fucking borders, no federal fucking income taxesit's pretty fucking simple>govt gives loans to anyone, seriously debauching the value of our labor
>>517183929I've never taken a picture of my car. why would you, unless it's the car of your dreams or something?
>>517173722And something like 45% of all personal vehicles in Europe where diesel 20 years ago.The whole California and VW emissions thing really fucked up the car industry as fast as the buyer is concerned.Like nitrogen is what people should worry about when it comes to fuel, instead of just mindless fuel consumption and short vehicle life.You don't even see 20 year old vehicles here anymore, whereas that used to be what you saw most.
>>517182473I have a buddy who does this and I want to see if he will help me get started. I'm just super busy as an attorney rn
>>517181731cars are for the gays. i gave $7k for one of these with 80 thousand miles.
>>517169089So based. This really triggered the brokies.
>>517171936>40k>cheap
>>517182040Yeah, I'm talking about working. You know, access to the back, tailgate height, etc... ability to work on them, pound out dents. New ones are for vain faggots. That is what trucks are for.
>>517181011The dumbest thing I've read on the internet in a few days. Good for you.
Make 10s of dollars an hour in a world it takes 1000s just to survive every week. You need a giant conveyance filled with amenities so it can sit outside your home you hope you don't lose this month so you can drive it 26 minutes to the job you hope you don't lose this week and the insurance is only 400 bucks per month because if your iPad conveyance made out of the cheapest shit possible gets totaled, those sensors doing all that stuff you don't really need at all are going to be really expensive to replace. Big fat consumers consume as they are consumed and they never demand simple from any part of life, just more more more. More gadgets more amenities more girth more height. But make it cheap and quick because that money needs to be burned through.on your way to feeling like somebody.
>>517184222I take a picture now for posterity, and that's only after I'd gone through 3 driving 60000+km every year and realised I missed the old omega. North America is big and beautiful so the km are easy.
>>517185031I can tell you have never done anything serious with trucks
wait.. so you have to pay for the privilege of going to work?
>>517168884A Chevy Trax starts at 21.5K. You don't need to buy a 60K car you just want to.
>>517185395>Big fat consumers consume as they are consumed and they never demand simple from any part of life, just more more more.excellent post
