>>517200673
>>517200673I'm defective.
>>517200673But I have kids.
Because it's morally abhorrent to willingly bring more children into this hellworld.
I don't know because your liberal policies have have turned society into a complete nightmare? Oh wait that wouldn't makes sense to a banker because it can't be quantified. Line go up
>>517200673Trying, but being on this site is like mental poison for forming healthy relationships.
>>517200673So they don't have to suffer in this gay jewish pustule world
>>517200673I'm being forcibly stopped by hard barriers that have been put up it's not a choice in making
Is it a shortage of great people or is the magnitude of our people shortage great?
>>517201227>tryingWhat difficulties are you facing?
>>517200673A combination of dead inside and terrible quality women. Neither are good for child rearing.
America is literally the wealthiest, safest, longest lived society of all history. Why aren't people breeding? Every single data point indicates that modern America is the best place in human history.
I'm already a hated minority in my home country which is ruled by vicious, vindictive, schizophrenic jews...why would I voluntarily curse another soul to that prison?
>>517200673Because you faggots have been telling people the planet is overpopulated for the last decade, thats why.
>>517201409Getting a relationship to last beyond a one night stand or a first/second date.
>>517200949Fucking this.FPBP/thread
>>517201722>Getting a relationship to last beyond a one night stand or a first/second date.why doesn't it last?
Costs
>>517201681Well, black americans actually have a lower birthrate than white americans.>Ayyo shaneeqa im finna make a baby in dis bitch>Jaqarius we cant... There already be too many people on da planet nigga... We finna be socially responsible and shit my nigga...
>>517200673I’m real sick
>>517200673>Move company away from higher pop more expensive place to build a mega factory in bumfuck nowhere>Why can't we find any workers?Without hordes of H1Bs they will need to start moving back toward the cities to find workers.
>>517200949>we need infinity more peopleNo one has even bothered to attempt to explain this.
Rent: 1500-2500/month for a 1-2 bedroomHome cost: 450k for a shitty run down "starter home" under 1000sqftWages: low and stagnantPretty fucking difficult to have kids when a home is unaffordable and both parents need to work to afford necessary amenities.
>>517200673>make a few kids>high risk of getting raped/killed/gromed by some "people">high risk of getting brainwashed and to hate you and your own people/history while he will become a whore if she's a girl or a fag if he's a boy duo to internet/social networks/feminism or trends>decade after decade everything get worse, from job market, food, entertainment, house market>the Earth is burning, species are dying, microplastic in the air itself, >you have less freedom and rights while billionaires and the ones with power can do anything without remorse or consequences I wonder why people don't have kids anymore, must be the video games or something
>>517200673Give me a fucking reasonable salary with plenty of down time to fuck and make babies and I will.However, 90%+ of American jobs are 40+ work hours, 4-8 PTO days a year (which overlaps sick days) and works you into an early grave with OT. How the everloving fuck am I supposed to have children if I don't even have enough time to explore the dating pool. "Sorry, I have infinite work to do to afford my $2,000 a month 2 bedroom apartment in shithole city #2545" It's the world's easiest fix but the government's too afraid to put the heat on corporations that are causing this crisis while simultaneously importing cheap slave labor that's totally fine with bunking 12 shitters into a studio apartment with no health insurance.
>>517200949Those names...EST
>>517201132die
>>517200673Women and children are expensive and annoying.They would get in the way of my hobbies physically and financially.
>>517202046Basically as far as I understand it with an aging population structure, old people are owed a ton of money for healthcare, pensions, gibs, etc. Their company pays them a bunch of money, the government pays them a bunch of money, and their healthcare costs will be astronomical. Meanwhile they have completely stopped contributing any $ to the economy. Because of this, the economy needs a ton of young people who will generate a ton of revenue, through taxes, by putting their earnings in savings accounts (giving the banks money to pay for loans), building homes etc. For example, every time a mexican builds a home, he makes a fortune for banks and companies and the boomer who profit off of it.
>>517200673>people shortagethis country has added a Germany since I was born.
No houseNo wifeNo landNo taxesNo work
>>517202046They're desperately trying to prop up the real estate bubble from collapsing
>>517200673because the propaganda worked
>>517202896That's a great point. Since insane amounts of the country's wealth are in real estate, crowding the country with people will make real estate more desirable, which will cause line to go up.
>>517202896I want it to collapse so hard that we see a spike in suicides
>>517202555it took on more debt than it took in peoplethe West has a feminism sized population issueand no amount of male bashing can fix it, the problem lies with women and women alone
>>517203138Suicides by who? Not the bankers if that's what you're hoping for, they'll just get another taxpayer bailout like '08
>>517202985>because the propaganda workedchildree online groups have been around since 1990s and the worst days of family planning propaganda was in long gone by the Y2K period. This thing was presented as a circus freak oddity by Time, and it still is a circus freak oddity. Most women want to have children, so do most men. What's stopping them?
>>517200673Cost of divorce
>>517202985>The Sandler last name is of Jewish (Ashkenazic) occupational origin, referring to a shoemaker or cobbler, derived from the Yiddish word for sandal maker.
Only when I steal enough wealth so I can take it to the Glorious CCP and marry a Chinese wifeI will only breed for a country that cares for my interests
I honestly never wanted kids, even when I was a kid. Everyone said when I get older I would, never did. Got a vasectomy at 35, have a live-in gf, no regrets. Like parenting, non-parenting is an option. I've always known. Life is good.
>>517203325You don't need to marry to have kids.
>>517200673Because kids are annoying and expensive. And we live in a promiscuous, post sexual revolution hookup culture world with numerous kinds of effective birth control where it has never been easier for average, normal guys like myself to have lots of sex with lots of different girls without any consequences. I have a lot of nephews and nieces through my siblings, and anytime I am around them for a few hours it's unbelievably exhausting and annoying. Can't imagine why anyone would want to deal with that 24 hours a day for 18 years.
>>517200673Because women don't want to get pregnant and rape is illegal
>>517200673Money you stupid nigger. Shits to expensive, people making double the average income in the US cant afford a 30 year mortgage with out being house poor. Divorce is through the roof with men losing half their shit.Its not fucking rocket science.
>>517203689>Because women don't want to get pregnantmost women do
>>517202430this is a frequently used but invalid argumentmass immigration is not a solution to the pension problemimmigrants require significant government resources to integrate into societyonce immigrants hit critical numbers they will rug boomers and vote to cut their social benefits and increase their own social benefits, this is about to happen in Canada>>517202896yep, this also one of the main reasons behind RTO mandates. Rich people own commercial property, value of it was crashing when they realized people working from home might have ~10-20% lower productivity but facility cost reduction more than made up for it. So they made up woo-woo arguments that there's some kind of magic that happens when you put people together in the office. For banks it was also so they can have verbal communications that create no records when bankers advise one another to do illegal shit. If they cared about climate change they would be all in on WFH because it massively cuts commute driven emissions which are the #1 source of emissions for white collar/service companies but that's all just a facade.
>>517203803Not the ones I've dated
>>517200673I'm trvcel
>>517203936>immigrants require significant government resources to integrate into societythis is not true. Immigrants do not require any government resources to integrate into society. Only "displaced persons" or "humanitarian" immigrants aka "refugees" do.>once immigrants hit critical numbers they will rug boomers It takes many years for foreigners to become naturalized. Most immigrants are adults, so they will be voting against their own interests if they cut social welfare, especially the social security.The strongest argument against immigration is exactly what I wrote above, though, - immigrants are growing old as well. If neither the natives nor the immigrants have kids, they will only add to the burden, not help it.
>>517202383>my hobbiesLike what? 4trans?
>>517200673>make the last quarter of a century one gigantic cautionary tale about failing empires and post-modern corporate dystopia...>why won't you birth childen to be taken advantage of in our hellhole???bigthink.exe
>>517201905blacks have lots and lots of abortions. Then it doesn't help that they die at a much higher ratehttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/death-rates-among-black-people-in-the-u-s-are-rising-after-falling/td04g
>>517200673Why can't companies and colleges just consolidate?
>>517200673Remove women's rights and we'll talk.
>>517204436>Remove women's rightssuch as?
>>517204436See Iran's birth rate
>>517200673woman say no
>>517204360because MUH PROFITS
>>517204465>Divorce>working>votingLiterally just taking away their right to vote and having an easy profitable divorce would make things so much better
>>517204465Voting. Holding a job. Driving. Leaving the house without male accompaniment. Basically, they need to be reduced to being their father's property, until they get married, at which point they become the husband's property. You know, the system we had for all of human history up until about 100 years ago when we gave them rights and everything started getting really fucked.
>>517204524see deez nutz fagola
>>517200673Because they won't come out of my horses
>>517204554bullshit, I say no to women.5 billion of those shits on the planet I can be as picky as I want to be.
>>517204650In the US women had the right to vote for over a century. Switzerland did not have it until 1971, compared to 1920 federal amendment in the U.S. In 2023 Switzerland's TFR was 1.33 per woman, and the U.S. number is 1.62.
>>517203936>it massively cuts commute driven emissions which are the #1 source of emissions for white collar/service companieswhich are like 5% of total emissions so it's really irrelevant despite all of their crying about personal vehicle emissions
>>517200673Because i would rather get drunk and high and play video games and jork my dingus instead of having additional responsibility
>>517204652>Basically, they need to be reduced to being their father's property,what about orphans and widows?>You know, the system we had for all of human history up until about 100 years agoThat was rare even in the least civilized places as far as 100 or 200 years ago.
>>517205091This is a valid and honest response. And I think most women actually appreciate this answer more than sperging about about nonsense like "women's rights" or "propaganda".
>>517204959Well yeah it's not going up in 5 years, but we would recover in a generation or two
>>517200673Part of being redpilled is understanding women are subhuman and responsible for many of our problems. Women's rights was a death sentence. Women are stupid, lack judgement, shortsighted, incredibly selfish, narcissistic, exploitative and extractive whores who will kill their own kids and sell them into slavery for petty personal gain. Modern woman is the exact archetype of someone who take everything but contributes nothing with no care or second thought.
>>517200673I'm not Chad.
>>517205181And why do you think he prefers to do that? Because women have more rights than men, and they're really just more priviledges than rights.Regardless, they need to be revoked for the sake of keeping Civilization intact
>>517200673We were all told it was irresponsible to have kids and the world was overpopulated. Meanwhile we were also told to send money to African and Arabs countries to stop all their kids from dying.Now all the young people on the planet are worthless retarded shitskins and there aren't enough white people to work to support them. This is why UK, Europe, US, and Canada are all economically fucked. They thought importing browns would somehow generate the same level of wealth. It turns out shitskins that create zero wealth in their how shithole countries, don't magically start creating wealth when they move somewhere new. They just suck up all the resources and commit crime.
>>517204436>>517204650>>517204652Even if your utopia world of women being restricted actually happened , none of you sperg faggots would get close to a woman like this because your toxicity would keep her father away from you. Not to mention she would be uninterested in you for obvious reasons.
>>517205237>but we would recover in a generation or twothere are very few examples of it happening. Kazakhstan is often cited but it fails to address two separate dynamics: 1) post-Soviet privatization and aggressive economic expansion caused by the large new developments in oil and gas reserves 2) the difference between ethnic groups, where native Kazakhs' and ethnic Russians' TFR continued along the same trend set in 1970s, except the Russians' decline was exacerbated by emigration and repatriation back to Russia. Unless groups with a low TFR leave the US or die out, while a group or groups with a high TFR start replacing them, no recovery will happen.
>>517205449Blah blah blah muh dik muh pussy, shut up you short sighted nigger. This is about the future of entire nations and demographics.
>>517205392>Because women have more rights than menlike what?
S-self solving problem!! B-based Christcuck women will save us!Fuck off infinite growth shill!
>>517205576The best part about that type of future is you will still be an incel nigger faggot. Absolutely nothing changes for you sperg. It's why you should just do us all a favor and KYS.
>>517205269TRVTH NVVK
>>517205412importing "people" does not fix things. That's true. But it only happens because businesses who lobby politicians (including right-wing ones) need employees now, not in 18 years. That said, the situation could have been less dire in 18 if people had kids now. But they are not having them - which means it is only about to get worse as time passes.
>>517205449I'm actually very likeable in real life.I'm sorry that you can't handle anonymity and reading people's actual thoughts.>>517205579Read the thread, nigger
>>517200673I want kids. Donno guess I'm not doing something right. Online dating isn't working for me. I did a lot better 10yrs ago in the dating scene, maybe I'm just getting old but I'm more fit than I was then
>>517200673Because this board keeps electing psychopath Republicans that provide tax cuts for the wealthy and destroy the planet.
>>517205869It's impossible to meet women when you're out of college, especially now that flirting at work is a death sentence
>>517205743>We destroyed your future but we need profits so get to having kids goyWhat if we just let society get destroyed instead and all of these corporations crash and burn?
>>517205965Yeah thats a big hurdle I'm dealing with. I considered hanging out at bars but I don't even drink that much and frankly I don't want to marry an alcoholic either.
>>517205758>Read the thread, niggerAll I see is>voting>driving>divorceYou don't need to do any of the above (marriage is optional too) to become a father.
>>517200673There's no great shortage of people, there's a shortage of great people. Importing the entire brown world is going to make it worse, not better.
>>517206175I just go to coffee shops, mainly because my liver is tapped out right now and until I get a fibroscan I dunno what to do
>>517204524Birth control is the key issue. But women's rights are a secondary one. It's literally why women engage in hookup culture and why they slowly lose their sanity the longer they engage in it. They subconsciously want chads genes but they're consciously taking birth control to prevent it. There's a reason why Christians, Amish, and Mormons have some of the highest birthrates in the US. Big families are encouraged within these communities and the culture supports minimal birth control use. Being at least somewhat traditional also greatly helps. The problem for the rest of us is good women marry off at like 19. Most single women past 25 are unsalvageable.
>>517206250The problem is no fault divorce with garaunteed alimony and child custody, which will never go away as long as women vote and cuck politicians cater to them.
>>517205904>destroy the planetthe planet will do fine. Some forms of life thrive in the harshest conditions found on earth. And some planets don't even have life but they look chill.
>>517200673>shows a picture of a manfucking clown world. women control who they have sex with, how often they have sex, whether to use birth control, whether to abort. there's no shortage of male desire, one man can seed an entire village.
>>517206311Coffee shops aren't a bad idea. Maybe I'll try that.
>>517206440>The problem is no fault divorce with garaunteed alimony and child custody,Easily fixed by not marrying and not giving your real personal information to the mother so she cannot confirm the father's identity.
>>517206477Trvke
>>517205743My main point was thats this was a focused kike effort to push the meme that you're a selfish cunt for having kids when the world is overpopulated. This meme was only pushed in white countries. Meanwhile billions in food, aid, and medicine was taken from said white counties and pumped into Africa to help them breed like rabbits and lower their infant mortality rate. This is why there has been a population boom in Africa.
Shortage my fucking ass. If there's a shortage of people why do we struggle so much to get jobs and find a place to live
>>517206554Ok or I can just remove their rights and have an honest family.
>>517205093>Women have always been oppressed by men>Women actually were free everywhere Pick one. And read Sex and Culture by JD Unwin while you're at it. And the Athenian play The Assemblywoman. The overwhelming majority of peoples throughout history well understood male and female nature.I consider the case of South Korea, where feminism is rampant. The women are fast to blame the low birth rates on how oppressive their men are, however if oppression leads to low birth rates, the South Koreans would have gone extinct long ago, according to their own logic.
>>517206311Also will say a prayer for you bro on your liver. Checked those digits
>>517206591>This meme was only pushed in white countriesNo. Much more effort but under different angles took place in overpopulated hellholes in Asia and Africa. With a significant delay it may have worked.>Meanwhile billions in food, aid, and medicine was taken from said white counties and pumped into AfricaOnly surplus is taken for the profits of big manufacturers. For example, farmers make profits on purchases paid by billionaire philantropists to deliver food to Africa. Lower child mortality in Africa actually ensures that they have an increasing average age as time passes, which removes the selective pressure to have more kids. With time the TFR drops due to Darwinian forces.>This is why there has been a population boom in AfricaThere is no population boom anymore and the largest factor that helped to stop it was all that foreign aid and philanthropy.
>>517200673Why would I help pump out more goyslaves to keep the jewish system running>>517202112also this
>>517206685>Ok or I can just remove their rights and have an honest family.what's easier? Removing women's rights or lying to your baby mama?
>>517206877Thanks, I havent drank in 40+ days and I crave beer
>>517200673A country that guarantees ready access to abortions and birth control has no right to whine about low birthrates. Western women treat pregnancy like it's a disease, let's start there.>Man in picBut we won't. We'll blame the men again.
>>517201132Kill yourself, pathetic weakling
>>517206867>The overwhelming majority of peoples throughout history well understood male and female natureYup. Doesn't mean that women were treated as property without rights or obligations. Even by the pre-Enlightenment era European standards, the shit you see in Afghanistan is abhorrent.
>>517200673based nicolas cage with his polish babe repopulating america.
>>517206429God what a fucking abject moron you are.>Durr, seems to me the birth rate is low cuz women take anti birth meds>Religious groups have higher births cuz they encourage birthsGenius level analysis! Can you boil it down further?-Women DONT want kids-Theyll have them IF the entire community will ostracize them into starvation otherwiseIt's not even "women's rights", women need to be physically beaten, and only Islam allows that, so christcucks need to fuck off and bend the knee
>>517206681economy is designed to maximize returns for the people who own society. the people at the bottom, and now increasingly the middle, don't have much economic power so they don't create demand for your work. only the people at the top have demand for work, which is why there's a shortage of jobs. as for a place to live, there's lots of land but really that's disingenuous because by place to live what you really mean is a place with economic and social opportunities, and those cities are full because of the first point I made.
>>517206949I dont like lying, and I would rather just get a surrogate child anyway
>>517206311>my liver is tapped out right now and until I get a fibroscan I dunno what to doI feel your pain. I also have a liver issue and I don't think I'll live to see myself retire.
>>517207108Women were afforded the basic rights like free speech and gun ownership.But they couldn't vote because they make retarded decisions.And they were fucking right.
>>517206175Try messaging women you went to school with on social media and just see what happens might work idk?
>>517207236Thankfully it's not bad, but my doc gave me a referral to see a specialist to see how bad things areAlso I am taking milkthistle
>>517206962>A country that guarantees ready access to abortions and birth control has no right to whine about low birthrates.This is also valid. Some European countries have had very strict abortion pre-requisites. Way stricter than anything in the Roe v Wade era.
My wage would have to double to just support myself living away from my parents, nevermind support a kid LOL
>>517207314I only did it once and it was a pain in the ass because she took days, if not weeks to respond, and I refuse to associate myself with the rest of my high school women
don't worry the sub 60 iq retards in the country will pop you like 6 kids
>>517202046We live under a free-market communism system. Those people are needed to prop up the economy. Its basically a giant pyramid scheme where the top gives "money" to the lower part that then is moved up the pyramid through the exchange of goods and services. It gives everyone something to do and ultimately keeps there system running. Why we need the brownoids is simple they do the work for "pay" that no white wants to do and it give the whites a chance to start a business and slurp some of that free money up for themselves. Also kids take too long to grow up and be a part of the system so if we just waited for them it would probably collapse.
>>517207108True, I conveniently see exactly what you're saying here >>517207141
>>517207141>and only Islam allows thatThe TFR in Saudi Arabia is 1.87 children per woman, despite sharia being the official law. It's lower in Iran. Qatar is lower as well, but you have to keep in mind that 90% of Qatari population are foreign workers and expats.
>>517204465Wearing shoes
>>517207412>My wage would have to double to just support myself living away from my parents, nevermind support a kid LOLwhy don't you demand a raise?
>>517205904OMG, tax cuts for the people who actually work and pay the taxes instead of just taking more of what tax payers earn so that non earners can get more and more fruits of other peoples labor??? Fucking monsters!! How will the world survive if we don't keep decreasing productivity and increasing the amount of welfare leeches???
>>517206867>if oppression leads to low birth rates, the South Koreans would have gone extinct long agoexactly, how is that seoul's total fertility rate was greater than 2 when women were oppressed but now that women have made some "progress" it's now 0.6, nearly a quartering of their population every generation?women's liberation has always been about the freedom to choose who they have sex with. they will say it's about work, but why would they want to work? the reality is women work so that they don't have to get married and have sex with the one guy they get married to. so women work in order to sleep with whoever they want. that is the sex and city and friends paradigm. you ever wonder why you see attractive women working dead end minimum wage retail jobs when you know they could easily get married and have everything taken care of? in the west, college culture actually encourages this, where college is funded by parents (the father) so that his daughter can sleep around on his dime. most guys in college aren't having much sex (it used to be called "getting lucky" for a reason), but for women it's at least a weekly experience. women having money (either from work, from their father, or from welfare) is what they want, because it decouples money from sex, which is what marriage is.
>>517200673Because the people in power won't let me have kids. Between choosing someone young and attractive, and someone my age. I'm choosing the young and attractive women.
>>517208263Do not break the law.
>>517207745This is true, I'll concede that sharia doesnt contain ironclad "no education for women" type solutions, but you're a fool if you think they're applying sharia properly, otherwise they'd have high fertility. The west categorically would not allow a nation to implement sharia, even tiny Brunei got hit with sanctions for trying to cane homos or something
>>51720834021 is young silly
>>517208340
>>517208364>but you're a fool if you think they're applying sharia properlyNever said I think so... it's just that ... I don't think most people want to live through social experiments that will "definitely" work this time...
>>517201722I'm 25, autistic virgin. Not even ugly. The only time I got a girl in bed was at 19, and she rejected me for being a virgin. How can I get laid? Either how to get one that wouldn't care about virginity or how to lie about it and make that lie convincing
>>517203803kek no they don't
>>517202046>>517202430 >>517202896 >>517207556I always see people whine about capitalism and how it needs infinite growth.They're always seem to be silent about the fact pensions and social programs also need infinite growth to be viable. European countries are either raising retirement ages or cut programs to stay alive. They haven't even felt the effects of migration.
>>517205449>none of you sperg faggots would get close to a woman like this because your toxicity would keep her father away from youYou being dumb enough to believe that isn't our problem
>>517208674why not practice with a prostitute?
>>517208171Pretty much. I think the whole goal of feminism has been to make the government support toxic femininity, and make women totally absolved of all accountability. So many of the things we do for women are to support our expectation of them having kids. The draft is one example of this. It amazes me how quickly the militant feminist will defend the draft, some will even say women are the "baby makers" - a term that would be considered highly offensive to them in any other context. The problem is they don't even do this, if Ukraine's example means anything. Atp I'm just trying to predict when it crashes down, men and women generally need each other and aren't autistic chuds like some of us on here. I'm interested in the degenerate happenings that occur the longer the normies are subject to this experiment
>>517208870Maybe because sex is also about intimacy and pair bonding?Shocker I know
>>517205449as opposed to a woman rebelling against her father and going for bad boys?
>>517200673I'm too busy being locked in on my sigma grindset and cryptocurrency. Let's just outsource the baby-making to migrants and poor people.
>>517200949Resumed in a single image the entire narrative over the last 70 years
>>517208870I don't know where to get a prostitute that isn't an AIDS riddled nigger or a trafficked and likely underaged spic (I'm in Texas). Obviously don't use them, but I know the neighborhood. Plus I just don't want a prostitute
>>517200673they're not scrambling for shit, they're importing millions of h1poos
>>517201132Watch how many chuds call you a kike, a faggot, and a coward for saying that, but none will call you a liar.
>>517200673Because fuck you
>>517209242I had a roommate that payed for a prostitute to lose his virginity. The whole story made me kind of depressed and I felt better about myself being a virgin at the time. He said when he left he saw her up on the sink washing out her vagina.
>>517200673Reducing population somewhat is probably a good thing. But more so for some countries.Also, ask women. It's their choice.
>>517208674You need to lie to them. I know it can be hard, but it’s extremely necessary for getting them attracted to you. And also, don’t feel like you need to hide anything from them. You should treat them like children, even if she found out your deepest darkest secret it doesn’t matter. Women can sense when you’re trying to hide your personality so drop the gay anxiety because you’re the male here. You shouldn’t care about what she thinks of you and, the most important rule of all, don’t ever listen to what she thinks is right.
>>517209563I think douching is a normal thing for prostitutes, like always has been. I just need to know how to lie about being a virgin, but most people online think you just have to find the one in a million that doesn't care or likes it
>>517208061We get it. You hate the middle class and love oligarchs. Go be a bootlicker elsewhere faggot.
>>517209653I really hate how it's come to this
>>517209887sorry anon. Unfortunately we live in a world that is evil, and only the evil prosper.
>>517209653The question is how? How do you fake knowing how to do something you've never done?
>>517200673better import more retarded niggers!
>>517209977I'm not a perfect person, but I hate having to lie, but sometimes I have to do it to keep the peace.At least if I ever have to explain to a prospect about why my 27 year old ass was a virgin until now, I can say proudly that I refused to give it up shamelessly
>>517200673I've asked a question that I've never gotten a real answer to. Where do I benefit?
>>517200673Where are the women? They’re not at bars, they’re not at coffee shops, I’ve been around events and there’s only couples and dude groups.
>>517209073>Maybe because sex is also about intimacy and pair bonding?you don't need that to be good in bed.
>>517200673My first real girlfriend turned out to be a mentally ill control freak insane person and after that relationship I didn't want to be with anyone so I have been lonely ever since. I might have a kid if I ever find a nice woman but all of them have been nasty and/or evil so I think I will die alone
>>517209717I wouldn't recommend the prostitute route but if you go with a secular woman ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NEVER tell them you're a virgin. If they ask your body count, ask them theirs. Whatever the number is add 5. They'll treat you like a child if they sense they're more experienced than you in any way. I've heard stories of women that "like" giving experience to virgin guys, and they all talk about the man as if he's a puppy. Also if you get romantic, they will use your inexperience as ammo during an argument. "Well you would know this if you'd ever had the touch of a woman." Whores are like fire and will burn you easily if unprepared.
>>517200673yes, america is short of great people. just a lot of scum faggots
>>517200673Why should I?
>>517200673Had 2 kids. Did my part for the reproduction and this is enough for me and the wife. Kids are cool when they know the basics but the first 5-7 years are absolute garbage. We talked about having third but it's just such a hassle that it's really not worth it.
>allow abortion bans>birth rate actually gets worse
>>517210411It's not about being good in bed, I want children
>>517207141>-Theyll have them IF the entire community will ostracize them into starvation otherwiseThis literally can't be true because religious groups are voluntary communities. There's nothing stopping any girl or woman from leaving those communities and leeching from the state until she gets her feet under herself.
>>517210877OK. Do you think it would be easier if technology such as IVG for humans becomes available?>IVG using IPSCs.>In mice, researchers reprogrammed ordinary somatic cells (like skin) into iPSCs, guided them into germ-cell-like cells, matured them into functional eggs/sperm in the lab, and used them to produce healthy, fertile offspring.
>>517211233>IVG>https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/27/1177191913/sperm-or-egg-in-lab-breakthrough-in-reproduction-designer-babies-ivg
>>517211233Fine with me, it just means I have 100% custody of my children
>>517200673>conservative white Americans outreproducing mexicans nowWe are. Libs are not because white libs are mentally ill fags.
>>517210162https://youtu.be/fV4DiAyExN0?list=RDfV4DiAyExN0&t=30
>>517207854>Deshodding anon appearsThis would unironically fix all woman related problems. Educate them anon.
>>517200949
>>517200673No white woman is worthy of my seed. I am just too damn unique. Besides I don't like white girls and only do sex with Asians who crave BWC and you guys say to NOT have kids with them so I don't. I don't really even care about America's future to start with. Why should I?
I need a lady
>>517200673The only women interested in me I'm not into them
>>517211902Nobody didn't have kids because of global warming how fuckin dumbass simp>DURRRR women are so conscientious and selfless, they care about the heckin environment!!
>>517200673I can't breed
>>517209242>or a trafficked and likely underaged spicThose are the best kind because you know they'll be dead of an overdose within a few years so you don't need to worry about blackmail
>>517208870You can't kiss prostitutes.
>>517211599I thought of that too.
>>517212011I might look for light skinned latinas.
>>517212884Depends on the girl.
>>517200673I hope it all collapses in the most brutal manner possible. As far as I'm concerned, 80% of people aren't even human.
>>517202112perfect explanation, anon
>>517200673There is no people shortage. Pogroms are the only path to White freedom.
>>517201227Sauce?
>>517200673women won't let me orgasm inside them for the purposes of procreation
>>517200673I am too short to breed.
>>517213994you can lie about your height. You can even bring a forged medical certificate saying you're 6 feet tall. If they say it's not real you can call out them not trusting higher authority. It's like accusing a woman of being an outcast. They cannot handle that. Gaslighting works.
>>517200673Pogromize.
>>517202141This and also give me land. No land for meNo job for meNo wife for meNo kids for meNo contribution from meSimple as.
>>517204298>this is not true. Immigrants do not require any government resources to integrate into society.Immigrants consume medical care, school, etc while contributing nothing.
The reality is neither men nor women need to get married anymore. I mean, look at plapjak. That meme worked because yeah, most guys would rather be single than dating some ugly fatso. Similar, young, attractive women get to have a lot of fun and mess around with men they either find attractive or will give them drugs. There’s also thinks like video games, Netflix, TikTok, etc keeping people busy. You get your sexual needs from porn or romance books, and men get their more emotional and companionship type needs with streamers. The simple truth is a lot of marriages were marriages of necessities, hence why boomers divorced so much and you’ll always hear the “I hate my wife” refrain from boomer men. I don’t know how you return to a strict hierarchy
>>517215178>medical care, school, etc while contributing nothing.they all pay taxes except for illegals and refugees\asylum seekers. The latter are barred from the job market due to conditions of their case for refuge\asylum.>chartactually shows that the majority of immigrants are net contributors, considering that there are almost no "Black" immigrants to the U.S. and legal immigrants arrive from Europe and the Middle East, which are classified as "White" in the census data.
>>517200673because of socio economic factors.>dude if you don't get paid 100k by 30 you will never own a home by the time your 70.
>>517215178>contributing nothing.They can boost the birthrates
>>517203578>be a nigger
>>517217152>go extinctmoral integrity and values preserved, amirite?
>>517203578marriage is the best environment for kids to grow up inonly absolute mental niggers have kids out of wedlock
>>517213994>>517214408Dating apps aren't the best to go by.In real life, that would mean turning down Tom Cruise and Taylor Lautner and 6ft or under is Brad Pitt and George Clooney.
>>517217356I 100% agree with you. But it's getting harder. Species adapt or die.
>>517217333>a non-solution will solve anythingneck yourself nigger
>>517200673Women don't like me sorry
>>517217411Systems adapt or die. Current shitstorm is the result of an experimental system that is in its death throws.Chinks will literally inherit the entire planet and will just wipe out any potential future competition to cement a rule over this world for the next tens of thousands of years.Being a nigger and breeding out of wedlock is not a solution.
>>517200673Over 40 from the big city checking in here.You have to first cross off the coke sluts, single moms, fat women, older women and feminists who think pregnancy is repulsive. After that, there remains only a small fraction of single women who are mother material. And there are far more quality men competing for them. I once went on a date with a woman who was maybe a 5, very intelligent and successful and a great person. She later tells me she went on 20 dates in the two months before we went on a date. I was shocked because she's not even great looking.Hoeflation is real.
>>517217978>Chinks will literally inherit the entire planettheir demographics is even worse than Russia's or Europe's. The only thing they're about to inherit is poverty.
>>517200673girls don't like me cause I'm a gamer
Can't afford to
>>517200949It’s amazing how many leftist tenets immigration stands against. FeminismFaggotsThe environmentWorkers rightsEven welfare insofar as I puts further strain on the system. They have such a fetish for brown people they cant see its in direct contrast to their every other position.
>>517218060They have a buffer of ~500 million villagers in western China. Their city populations can slowly decline for decades before it makes any difference.America and Europe can only flood their countries with 3rd worlders. The demographics will rekt the West before China runs out of their half a billion people buffer.The point is - the race is still on, and the west instead of partaking in it - it decided to roll over and collapse, while flooding itself with 3rd worlders (because that will help).
>>517200673Female voters think the government is a family and so they impose massive taxes on society to fund this 'family.'Tax-payers cannot afford to fund both the welfare state and their family.One has to go. So far the government is winning.
>>517200673i have not injected baby batter into a woman i wanted to procreate with
>>517202046nobody should be mortgaging their future to the next generation like shitass boomer scumbags, fucking full stopi work to provide for my progeny, not some single mother or nigger that doesn't contribute anything other than patronizing the prison business
>>517200673Corporations could easily mass produce perfect people in the global south if we let them. Corporations are very good at solving problems and they can easily solve the population problem.
>>517201076def dont tell her and keep trying :)
>>517218712>western ChinaThose are Muslims and they will split off or leave China for good if they get the chance.>Their city populations can slowly decline for decades before it makes any differenceMedian age in urbanized China is 40, which is about the same as Europe, where the population is only half the size of China. However, their TFR is 1.01 per woman, and the EU average is 1.38 per woman. So, the decline will be lower in Europe than in China.>The demographics will rekt the West before China runs out of their half a billion people buffer.Perhaps. One way to prevent it is to have more kids than the immigrants do.
>>517200673Their models show we are far out of band for their planned automatic dystopia.Society is crumbling too fast for the plan, and they need us to get back on track so we crumble and they survive.
>>517203138I just brought a house.Claim down nigger
>>517212884I guess i missed the memo
>>517219355Good for youFuck your equity
>>517200673Why do you Israeli's want that so badly for?
>>517202046That's what annoys me. They see a flat line and panic, when they should just carry on. Human populations have dipped plenty of times in history, sometimes drastically, and it corrects itself through natural social means anyway.It's these faggot (((politicians))) that suddenly feel like they have to take a direct hand in correcting human growth like a bunch of retarded sheep herders that's fucking everything upLook at China as a glowing example>Oh shit, we have too many people, one child policy!>50 years later>...OH SHIT, we have too many old people now, no more one child policy>50 years later>OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHITFuck off glowies, NONE of you and I emphasize NONE of you are as smart as you think.
>>517200673Jews and boomers killed wages and jacked up housing for 50+ years, while simultaneously turning women into materialistic druggies on birth control and flooding the nation with cheap laborers from everywhere else.
>>517200673I can't even land a minimum wage job, they only hire women and beautiful people I'm finna go mental
>>517203273They really don't, fertility rates have been dropping since the 1700s. The better life gets, the fewer kids people have
>>517219342>just become 3rd world, that will solve something!>don't do the thing that worked for thousands of years, do the opposite!Higher rates of breeding out of wedlock will only deepen all the issues plaguing the corpse of the west
>>517220319>post-industrial era government regulated marriage>worked for thousands of years
>>517220182>The better life gets, the fewer kids people haveThat's not true, rich people have one of the highest fertility rates.It's the middle class that's childless.
>>517202042How do they realize all that but not get that their religion is the same saturn worship?
>>517220587An anomaly, some have kids because they have nothing better to do and probably just hand them off to a nurse. People like Musk that are mailing their seed to dozens of women are skewing the statistics of an already tiny fraction.
>>517220448It's still the best environment for kids to grow up in. Advocating for a regress in how kids are raised, advocating for creation of a generation of mental niggers is not a solution, it's treason.
>>517219342>One way to prevent it is to have more kids than the immigrants do.How? Even the "right wing" pol incels are racemixing with gooks and latinx. 1488 is dead
>>517220182Life has gotten worse tho
>>517200673This issue is well understood, has been for years, and it won't get fixed because people in power have a fetish for their pet ideology. Even normies kvetch when they hear the root causes and especially the solutions. People revolt against the base reality and biology, and will pay a price for it.Also it's not like anyone is trying to fix it.
>>517221434It really hasn't, but it will. And this time there will be no coming back
>>517221512Show me an instance where it was fixed
>>517200673The noblest animals wont breed in captivity.
>>517220182>1700>you work ~12 hours a week>have a massive family>house>sheep>cows>90% of your time off work is socializing with friends and family>young mothers had sisters, aunts and grandmothers to help them with taking care of the kids>industrial revolution happens>people work 60-70 hours a week, own nothing>families are fragmented as young people leave for the cities>less kids>modern times>people work 40 hours and they rent a fucking room, own nothing>but they are told "don't worry, you'll be well off when you're 60, you'll buy a house then">people wait as long as they can to have a kid to "build their careers" (not have to rent a fucking room, imagine raising a newborn like that)>women wait till ~32-35 to get pregnant>many of them will just miscarry a few times before giving up>most will have 1 child>boomers abdicated from being grandparents>mothers have 0 help, because there are no sisters, no aunts, and boomers are fucking useless >total demographic collapse guaranteed turns out people reproduce at age 16-30, not when they are 60, what a shocker
>>517222238true actually. This includes great apes, like the orangutan and gorilla species.
>>517222291This is such a maliciously distorted view of history it's not even worth engaging with
>>517200673can't do it by myselfcan't get any woman to help out either
>>517200673I'm married. i'm not having kids because its expensive and the instability it would add to an already unstable period of time makes me certain I'd do more damage than good.
>>517200673I'm selfish
>>517219342>and the EU average is 1.38 per womanThat's including all the migrants having 8 kids. When you filter for only Europeans, it's around 1.2
>>517213994This is why I stopped voting democrat
>>517200673My kids defected to Canada
>>517222626Yeah times are better now because people can watch slop on netflix and eat processed garbage while renting a room. Who needs kids when you have such luxuries.
>>517200673The reason for this is actually very simple. It is that most humans are at heart a hedonist. For every decision they make they consider first and foresmost how happy it will make them. People needed children in the past to be happy because they were 1) free labour to be profited from and 2) the closest thing they had to a pension. But children have long since passed from being a financial benefit to a financial burden. And people just don't think it's worth the effort anymore, regardless of any moral frameworks telling them they should have kids.
>>517222998>lets all be serfs againOnly a polack could unironically suggest this
>>517200673This isn't a people shortage.It's a colleges, companies, and cities bubble bursting.The entire damn society is built around the perpetual doublings inherent in the exponential function. The Ed Biz is one of the worst examples. Pharma too. Have to keep green line going up, so just keep bringing retards into school systems and inventing new ways to make people sick and manage their symptoms. TPTB need to do a Great Reset, and they already know what they're going to do...to anyone born after 1955. They're just pushing a bunch of bullshit as distraction. "Competency crisis," "people shortage," etc. As for "people shortage," maybe it would have helped not to have killed millions of people with the stabs, and made tens of millions of women infertile? Oh right, we only want turdies who wrangle better and with higher profit margins than independent, intelligent, healthy people.
>>517222998Life expectancy is in the 70s compared to 40sDisease isn't rampantYou can live comfortably in any climate with AC and heatingIndoor plumbing.Food is readily available and easy to store.Healthcare is better than ever.
>>517218526western "leftists" are centre-right neoliberals. There is no cognitive dissonance because they're not leftists, they're just left of trumpism
>>517209977If you were a decent person you wouldn't have to lie about being one
>>517200673Pretty sick of this "low birthrates so we must import infinity illegals" psyop. Why should I care about boomers getting cheap foreign labor in their retirement homes?
>>517223514>Life expectancy is in the 70s compared to 40sYou can live a shitty life for longer, such win>Disease isn't rampantTinfoil much? Covid denier?>You can live comfortably in any climate with AC and heating95% of population can't afford AC, shows you're an american>Food is readily available and easy to store.Mmmm goyslop yum yum>Healthcare is better than ever.For those that can afford it, irrelevant point for vast majority of people
>>517223286Man was made by God to work the land with his hands and enjoy some small satisfaction in seeing his toil produce fruit “Work” in modern civilization is mostly an abomination Are you looking to justify your city pod lifestyle?
>>517201132/Thread
>>517200673Shitposting aside.The topic of "Why no kids?" was heavily researched and every study ever identified the same factors.1. Biggest factor that nobody publicly talks about because it's icky. Age at which women become mothers. In every place for all of human history this was 14-19. Now in the West it's around 32.Women want an education and a career before they get their first kid. As such their effective reproductive window shortens from ~26 years to ~8 years, a massive drop. As a result instead of having 5-6 kids, they get 1-2 kids which 100% guarantees a demographic collapse.The standard "successful" path for a woman in modern culture GUARANTEES a demographic collapse.Unless the age at which women become a mother goes back to around 18-24, the region is guaranteed to collapse. Data shows just that. This won't get fixed.2. Due to cultural changes the growth of the cost of childcare far exceeds earning potential of young people, but not in a way you'd expect. When a woman started having kids in the past she was supported by her extended family, mother, grandmothers, aunties, cousins etc. Nowadays this is very rare for gen Z and millenial mothers. The young parents are left to do everything on their own, and this is also partially due to age at which they first have children.Case 1:A 20 year old mother receives help from her 40 years old mother, 40 years old aunties and 60 years old grandma. As a result she has 4-5 kids.Case 2:A 36 year old mother receives 0 help from her 72 year old mother, 72 year old aunties and dead grandma, and needs to do everything alone. As a result she has 1-2 kids, she can't handle having any more.3. All the other factors are just noise when compared to the first two. You can't massively fuck with biology due to ideological reasons like GIRL BOSS YASS SLAY KWEEN and expect 0 side effects. You fuck with shit that's not supposed to be fucked with and you end up with global demographic collapse.Biology > ideology.
>>517223618And yet the American Greens, communinists etc are also vehemently pro open borders, as are those left of centre in Europe. I take your point but youre still left with the same problem.
>>517224861only reason and why nothing will change because regardless of the political spectrum, they are all simps and thus not problem, boomers can enjoy their gdp increase at the expense of the human race
>>517200673Because in America women do not exist, just dudes with boobs. I'm cool alone. I got used to that as a kid (and all the pros it brings) you guys worship orgasm way too much and it shows.
>>517225034They're not communists, actual communists built border walls and iron curtainsthey are neoliberals who want to profit from exploitation of cheap labor (and frequently, more bodies to fuck)
>>517200673>Why won't you have kids?vagina people have too many rights and could wreck me on a whim
>>517223748if you weren't an annoying faggot you wouldn't have to pretend you aren't one.
>>517200673I have no hope for the future of the country or humanity. I cannot in good conscience bring children into the world unless I made so much money I could insulate them from niggers and other assorted subhumans.
>>517200673>colleges, companies, and citiesOh noooo
>>517200673Because virtually all women in 2025 are non-virgins past high school, jobs that used to feed a whole family no longer even cover rent in niggertown, and marriage was made into a joke by our jewish satanic society. /pol/ monkeys will have children out of wedlock, because they are animals who can’t control their base instincts.
>>517202315>>517207089but he's right. We live under anarcho-tyranny where nigger criminals run rampant and Whites are treated like second class citizens. I will have children when every politician who ushered in this hellscape is executed for their crimes and all of the shitskins are deported.
>>517200673I'm not wasting 18+ years of my life looking after a kid that has a good chance of turning into a tranny or some other form of degenerate. Rather spend that time and money on my own hobbies
>>517227008theyll blame men though like always. from roasties being cunts, the government not supporting child births whatsoever and corporations being anti family but no, it will be all men's fault because of video games of course
>>517200673America's great obese, lazy retard surplus.
>>517200673>raise children>in 2025
>>517227563tale as old as time. I play lots of retro games both offline and online but they aren't the reason I'm forgoing dating or having kids, they're just another hobby I can now sink time into because I don't deal with women at all. Women, like you said, are fucking insufferable now. I can't even have a text convo with one without seething because of how fucking retarded they are. I have no desire to even fuck them anymore and I've been celibate for over a year after almost getting some random bitch pregnant like a fucking retard. Getting a woman is easy, maintaining her "happiness" without going insane is a completely different story - imagine actually signing a contract where this becomes your life forever until she leaves you and takes everything. I was so relieved when my last ex left me, I was literally excited, butterflies in my stomach at all the free time I'd now have to enjoy my hobbies.
>>517228391its just coming from a lazy and shity generation that needs a politically correct scape goat. i used games as an example but theyll just go down a long list if you dont game like i dont. oh you have to workout more or travel more or something. meanwhile the holes have 100s guys in theyre dms, everyone telling them that a career is most important thing and guys are are rapists and their ur competition. its why i just quiet quit in south america and chill most of the time and goon cause ur a laughable cuck if u waste ur life energy on this system
>>517201507What is your data on women, such as their weight?
>>517200673i'm not a woman so i can't have kids
What's wrong? Iv'e got loads - too many to be honest.Brit guy with French accent / French guy with Brit accent - same thing.
>>517201507Everything you said is a fucking lie. >wealthiestmeaningless gdp metric, most americans are struggling to get by>safestwe have no-go zones in every fucking city in the nation>longest livedwtf are you even saying here?
>>517200673>world is diving deeper and deeper into dystopian hellscape prison planet nightmare>>oy goy!! Bring your kin into this place!! If not we will ship in one million more jeets your way!!! I refuse. I am the end of the bloodline and a end to the despair loop of being in this clown world. Maybe if everything did a 360 and returned to how things were back then than ill gladly bring my kin into it.
>>517231043>loads - too many to be honest.>>517231078>and a endChatbot posts
Really - what's the problem? Fuck girls and sometimes you have kids.I am really confused what the problem is
>>517200949>Two non-correlated articles can't be true!You're a faggot thinking this is just targeted to Americans and not all English speakers dickhead.
>>517228391>after almost getting some random bitch pregnantThere's no "almost" getting pregnant
>>517226127>vagina people have too many rights and could wreck me on a whimIn Poland?
>>517231247>Chatbot postsNot a bot - no way to prove this of course. But really - there is no problem - unless you're a low quality male.Traditionally 89% of females get to reproduce, males about 40%.You don't have a right to reproduce. It's cruel, but reality.
>>517231278The hyphen makes you look like a bot. How long have you been going at? How old is your oldest?
>>517200673Because my boss won’t give me a raise since his boss doesn’t want to give me raise. Honestly I would live in squalor before I live in a home by myself and without family. I feel that wife/husband and children are more important to a person’s wellbeing than we give credit/want to admit.
>>517231866>I feel that wife/husband and children are more important to a person’s wellbeing than we give credit/want to admit.If you don't have children what's this based off of?
>>517200673i have come around to the line of thinking where i wouldn't subject another person to this predatory, wicked fucking planet when the government wants to give them 20 shots a month after birth, then when i am not around, at school, if a son of mine touches a barbie he gets put on the troon pipeline. i live in poverty too nearly despite working ironically women are not the problem cause i foids and me seem to get along
>>517231387nigger stfu you know what I meant. I didn't use a condom and she refused to take plan b so I had to wait until she had her period and she was a week later than usual
>>517232061I was a child, and I understood familial contact and its importance . I do not currently have a child but my wife is pregnant and I want to create a place of trust and love with her and my children. I guess it’s based off nothing but my understanding of ‘unconditional love’
>>517231826I've had 1/2 btl of bourbon tonight. Son is 22, daughter is 19 ( different mothers) Irish moved to France in 2000. Life is sweet - fuck you, you fucking incel losers.Talk to women like you don't give a shit - like people - it is really not complicated. They say they want nice guys ;but not true - you - dumb, dumb - fucks (dumb twice for emphasis) Be men - if you can
>>517200673>does nothing in retaliation to the commodification of sex>nothing to improve citizens ability to socialize and function>nothing to benefit couples who want to procreate>nothing to provide spaces for child enrichmentWah... where's all my beautiful little boys and girls, why aren't we frolicking in the gardens?
>>517232088>she refused to take plan b so I had to wait until she had her period and she was a week later than usualShe's probably on the pill if this isn't a larp>>517232346>I do not currently have a child but my wife is pregnant and I want to create a place of trust and love with her and my children.The roasties would say you sound sweet>>517232375>Talk to women like you don't give a shit - like people - it is really not complicated. They say they want nice guys ;but not true - you - dumb, dumb - fucks (dumb twice for emphasis)Do you still talk to women? Does your dick still work?
Night kids - kisses
>>517232938>She's probably on the pill if this isn't a larpshe was not on the pill. I didn't nut in her, but on her. >larpare you a turbovirgin or something? Getting laid is fucking easy. Last time I used a dating app I had over 50 matches in 2 weeks swiping selectively.
>>517200673Nigger
>>517233497>I didn't nut in her, but on her.Lol. And you were scared?
>>517233809yes nigger. Getting a woman pregnant is my worst nightmare since it actually happened when I was 15. I think it traumatized me.
>>517233999WHY THE FUCK DO 90% OF MY POSTS GET DIGITS. ARE THEY TRACKING ME
>>517234069Take a break from the internet I guess.
