What the fuck was Hitler thinking here, /pol/?
>>517396231I need oil or I'm fucked.
He wanted to kill as many russianiggers as possible
just like napoleon (manlet syndrome)
>>517396231>hurr soviet union is>durr colossus with feet of clay
>>517396231They didn’t have the V-2 rockets yet, what else could they have done? Can’t have a massive communist army threatening Europe
there were no HoI mods with alternative campaign scenarios out yet. He had to stick with vanilla version.
>>517396231I have the same questions about Napoleon Clearly only a genius in the eyes of the fourth estate
>>517396231>More of ziz energizing Pervertin pills!!!!!!!
>>517396231They didn't understand the scale of the USSR's armament, the will of its citizens to fight, and had no experience with logistics over distances of thousands of kilometers. (Stalingrad is 400 kilometers to the east; confused with Rostov on the map.)
>>517396432Then why waste time in Moscow and Leningrad?
Stalingrad is in Rostov?
>>517396231He got bored from waiting around all through the winter of 1940/41 for the Brits to surrender and did it for the lulz.
>>517396231Autistic ideological obsession of wiping out slavs and settling everything east of germany till Urals with germans to build muh germania.
>>517396432Agree with you on that one. Oil and natural resources.
>>517396231Imagine the spadeson image, but instead of the spade it's total slavoid death, that's Hitler, he just had that male urge to kill slav(e)s
>>517396231hitler was an anglo american tool, just like ukraine today
In short, he was a fool. Party leadership didn’t have the military expertise to plan effectively and they thought they were smarter than their generals who did.
>>517397103Their understanding of your plans to attack europe is most of the reason they were able to capture so many ziggers in the first year or two. They didnt anticipate goymerica sending you so much aluminum
He thought USSR would be easier to defeat than France.
>>517397110These are the largest cities of the USSR, capitals, symbols, industrial centers, transport hubs, and so on.
I’m gay
>>517397103>no experience with logistics over distances of thousands of kilometersThey had experience in distance. The problem was that the Soviet Union had literally zero infrastructure. You can drive a tank a thousand miles to Spain on a paved road, you can't drive a tank 5 miles in dirt roads, especially when it raids and the mud turns them into bricks. You can haul 500 tons of supplies every day in Western Europe with trains. What train tracks did the Soviet Union possess?
>>517396231Hitler probably would’ve pulled this off if America didn’t support the USSR, we basically fully industrialized them. Hitler’s assumption was that the Anglo countries wouldn’t support the USSR because of communism but what he didn’t seem to grasp was that the British Empire would side with communism over allowing a true continental European empire which would’ve likely removed the British as the hegemonic power in Europe.Well, look at how that turned out for them.
>>517397834The army was completely incapacitated by June 1941, divided into three strategic echelons. There was a lack of spare parts, fuel, anti-tank shells, and so on. Stalin could plan anything, but an army in such a state was incapable of offensive action.
>>517398068This. He was probably hoping for a repeat of ww1 with collapse and major concessions but US sustained them with gibs
>>517396231He was thinking>let's kill ourselves some goyims!Yes, Adolf Scheckelgrubber was a jew.
>>517396432>>517397592Wrong. Nazis were already getting tons of oil and other natural resources. If you think they weren't getting Soviet oil, How do you think they mounted their military operations against other countries before Operation Barbarossa? It would have been impossible.
>>517398041>What train tracks did the Soviet Union possess?nigger are you clinically retarded
>>517398187>same nation that fought winter war 2 years prior wouldnt start a retarded war for no reason
>>517398068It's such a cope. Jews were firmly entrenched as the power structure in both Russia, the US and Britain by then. As if a guy like Adolf Schekelgrubber wouldn't have known that. It was a completely safe assumption to make that the US jewish oligarchs would support their cousins the Soviet jewish oligarchs, I don't buy for a second that Schekelgrubber didn't know this.
>>517398319>100,000 tons of s0ibeans
>>517398041SU made it to berlin through the same territory EU used to advance
>>517398370>Serb starts frothing at the mouth when someone talks shit about his cum daddy.Behold, the logistical might of the Soviet Union's train network vs Western Europe!
He got paranoid that Russia was going to invade so he wanted to make the first move. Plenty of sources say he was right though but thats up to you to decide.
>>517398041>What train tracks did the Soviet Union possess?They had train lines even since imperial times in the 1800s. And even more so after the massive wide-scale industrialization of the Union from the 5-year plans.The thing is that the train track widths or track gauges in Russia are of a different size. This proved helpful for defensive purposes.
>>517396231he lost his mind, and wanted too much too soon, he could make a deal with the russians and world would be a better place
>>517396231The tl;dr was that they honestly believed the sovietunion would literally collapse as russia did in ww1. Assumptions where heavily shaped by ww1 in that regard, it cannot be overstated: > The #1 reason.
Probably the same thing retards think now>If I just take Moscow, Russia will fall in 2 weeks >They fight with donkeys and shovels!
>>517398579Because Germany had depleted all of its manpower and was being surrounded.
>>517396231>thinkingI never used meth, but I don't think he was thinking at all
>>517396584not really, he just wanted to remove communists from this world..
>>517396432that was the japs
>>517396432/threadHitler's only mistake was not forming an alliance with the USA.
>>517396231Italians fucked him by invading Greece and getting btfo’d which delayed Barbarossa
>>517398750no he couldn'tMolotov instructed Ribbentrop that the Soviet Union has redrawn the sphere of influence and the entirety of Romania and Bulgaria was part of the new sphere, so the entire oil of western europe
>>517396231That communism is an evil jewish conspiracy that must be destroyed.
>>517399042>Italians fucked him by switching sides after they lost sicily.. I see a pattern
>>517398980>>517399167Except Hitler admired Stalin as a leader
>lmao ziggers won't do shit
>>517397717great logic, you monkeymust be why the anglo americans were literally allied with Russia in both world warsyou retarded fuckrussnigger logic is comical
>>517396231Hitler wasn't thinking all that much as he was high as a kite or 'ill' while issuing his fanously retarded Fuhrerbefehle, but his (((handlers))), such as Dr Morell and Bormann were mostly thinking about killing as many Europeans as possible, ruining Europe, and handing it on a silver platter to amerikikes and judeo-bolsheviks
>>517396231Wonder if throwing everything the Axis had at one city at a time would have worked, instead of the large front assault. E.g start with Leningrad, move south toward Moscow, then finally capture Stalingrad. Now anyone who ever played HoI4, knows that is just when the really boring part starts, because there are several times more area in the east to take, in real life that would have been a supply nightmare. I think I have read that Hitler once mentioned that they only wanted to push until the Urals, and could have dug in there for a hundred years if needed, but taking these cities would still be somewhat less than halfway to there.
>>517399374He's 100% correct. Read picrel
>>517399245>table talksNot only I don't believe anything from that slop source but even if he did have some admiration for stalin it doesn't mean he didn't want to destroy communism at all costs.
>>517399374You were just used as a proxy to weaken Russia. Hitler would never have risen to power without Bush money.
>>517396231Fascists are kind of autistic desu that's why we're based but we can also underestimate our enemies.
>>517396231>What the fuck was Hitler thinking here, /pol/?"Hitler" was Rothschild jew, and was trained by jewish actors to fool the German people. His Rothschild jewish mission, was to commit White Genocide.
>>517396231He wanted to paint the map with pretty colours, which was retarded since it used up all of their fuel.There should have only been an Army Group South that went straight for Baku, while the rest of Europe just defended against the Communists
>>517399104they wait for fucking spring to attack like all the generals told him, or make a deal with the usa, whatever, he fuckedup big time and shouldve done things diffrently
>>517399628apparently you cant read, you russian niggeryou were allied with the americans in both world warsif anything you were used to weaken Germanystupid nigger
>>517399962>he should have used google maps live to see troops movementsbig galaxy brain think
>>517399628>used as a proxy to weaken RussiaRussia had already been fatally wounded by the October revolution. The point was to pit Germany against the USSR, killing as many Europeans as possible, but the end result was always going to be Eastern Europe under Soviet influence, then faking a 'Cold War' to divvy the world between two jewish 'factions'
>>517396231Hitler thought that by unleashing invasion of 2,5 million soldiers onto USSR he would unleash a chaos and collapse of Soviet leadership.He didn't do that in fact he made Stalin consolidate his power even more and lead to the destruction of Germany, despite the initial very heavy Soviet flops.
>>517396231Resources and a burning hatred for communism
>>517400101Russia is an irrelevant third world shithole that was never going to be a threat to the americansthat why they supported them in both world war against Germany
>>517397717Who let the Moroccan ape discuss politics?
>>517396231
>>517400076he had spies everywhere literaly same shit
>>517400330Germany wasn't going to be a threat to Americans eitheronly 50k American troops died in WW2 and they killed over 1 million of you if not moreNo american civilian casualities either
>>517397110because german generals had little room for strategy in their heads
>>517397110Kraut retardation
>>517400031>>517400101Anglo and later globalist policy has always been containment of the continental Europe and trying to prevent the emergence of a dominant power be it France, Germany or Russia. We were all played by them and pitted against each other.Russia was a threat because communism could potentially threaten their hegemony. They invent nazism and allowed it to flourish to counteract it. Yes, they "supported" USSR but as soon as one war was done they immediately turned against it. They sheltered former nazis and supported any remaining nazi regimes.
>>517400417you know who didn't have spies everywhere and didn't fight the Bolshevik menace that governs our world now?199 out of 200 shitholes on our earth and right here on 4chan
It's pretty wild Hitler chose Russia. Wasn't Germany's goal to just reclaim land it lost in WW1? Should've stopped there and established control to rebuild their empire. The whole WW2 just seems retarded beyond that. Japan only really cared about fighting China, we should've let them conquer. Italy seemed more concerned with squabbles with unimportant countries. Either way, Germany was basically on its own taking on everyone, 1 Axis for every 3 Allies, and didn't have the economy to compete with everyone else.Yet, Germany wanted to continue after getting ass reamed in WW1 and got weaker for it. Why go for everything all at once when they could've stopped. Either it was impatient delusional glory to be the guy who conquered Europe or stupidity where they were simply uninformed of the facts.WW2 seems really cartoonish. The only accomplishments of both wars were Israel and turning a white world population majority into a minority.
>>517396231>i like meth and cakethat probably, tfw you realize hitler wasnt an aryan supergod
>>517400705Germany was close to building intercontinental missiles, butthurt russian monkey
>>517400705>416,800 American troops died in World War II>More realistic estimates put direct U.S.-caused German military deaths in the hundreds of thousands.You know we have AI nowadays to filter out the low-hanging slop,right?
>>517397110That wasn't Hitlers idea. He literally wanted to go past the cities and take oil from Siberia, but his stupid generals rebelled because they thought some kind of symbolic victory of capturing the cities would make Soviets surrender.A lot of Hitlers generals were literally nepobaby former nobility and many were even still butthurt that Hitler had ended the class system and made "commoner" Germans equal with former nobility, and were rebelling against his decisions.
>>517396231Germany was able to defeat Russia in WWI but couldn't beat France.Germany had beaten France in WWII.Russia had blundered badly trying to conquer Finnland and had to take a face-saving forced border asjustment as a "victory".He thought he'd win, of course.
>>517400847delusional russian niggerthey supported you in both world warsyour entire history is a jokebecause you all think you fought the west twiceno you were allied with the west
He thought the USSR was weaker than it actually was. In reality it was quite strong economically and militarily, and could make up for its losses with Lend Lease material. Also the US had built up the USSR's economy throughout the 1920s-30s making it a formidable opponent.
>>517401102You're too dumb and seething for no reason. There's no way you're a real germ.
>>517401198everyone can see what youre capeable of as soon as youre not propped up by the westwhich is pretty much a joke
You can see Hitler's thought process:1) It had taken a month of fighting to defeat France2) USSR had 5x the population of France, so it would take around 5 months to defeat the SovietsIt would be over by Christmas.Problems with this logic:1) Hitler needed to attack with 20 million men, not 4 million2) European portion of USSR is larger than 5x the size of France (about 8x), so Hitler's armies needed to move faster than they had in France.So not enough enough men and not enough speed.
>>517398319Once Poland was conquered, the Soviets and Nazis started bickering about who gets what. They even exchanged fire in some instances. Relations soured. The oil from the east stopped flowing.Hitler was still at war with the world's #1 great power (Britain), and he knew defeat was just a matter of time if he can't secure oil. So he did the only thing he could do, short of surrendering to Churchill - he attacked the Soviet Union.
>>517400873>The whole WW2 just seems retarded beyond that. Japan only really cared about fighting China, we should've let them conquer.The reasoning here was about preventing a competitor from arising. If the us stays out of that, the cold war is against japan.
>>517399026How was he supposed to form an alliance with a jew-controlled state?
>>517396231>What the fuck was Hitler thinking here, /pol/?Hitler unironically thought most of the Soviet citizens won't fight for Stalin and would join the German army...however, only 2 millions of Russians joined the axis army...the Soviet army basically outnumbered the German one in millions, and that's where the whole fuck up goes...
>>517400956>Germany was close to building intercontinental missilesbuahahahahahahahahaah>>517400984>416,800 American troops died in World War IIVast majority of them fighting the Japanese, who actually stood up and put a real fight and not cry and ask for liberation from the Soviets
>>517400847>Russia was a threat because communism could potentially threaten their hegemony. They invent nazism and allowed it to flourish to counteract it.Mental illness.
>>517397103>the will of its citizens to fightOr was it>Order No. 227 ("Not One Step Back!")>Each Soviet Army was required to form 3–5 well-armed blocking squads, each up to 200 men strong, positioned at the rear.>Their primary role: Shoot on sight any "panic-mongers, cowards, or deserters" attempting to retreat without orders. They could also halt fleeing units and force them back into battle.Penal battalions (shtrafbats) were created for offenders, with barrier troops specifically guarding these units to prevent their desertion. Regular Red Army troops were deemed unreliable for this task, so NKVD or SMERSH (Soviet counterintelligence, "Death to Spies") detachments handled enforcement.
>>517401336Not enough tech either, not every division in the German army was mechanized yet, they were still using horses in a lot of them.
>>517401337How exactly was Britain going to defeat the Axis powers?
>>517401337>the world's #1 great power (Britain)hahahahwhat delusional horseshitare you posting under your polish VPN again, Jamie
>>517401703>however, only 2 millions of Russians joined the axis army...General Vlasov proposed Hitler to organize entire Russian army in Wehrmacht but he was ignored
>>517396432/thread
>>517397834And somehow gitcuck still jobbed lmao. And he also offed himself like a total loser.>I CAN'T WI--ACKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111
>>517401929>How exactly was Britain going to defeat the Axis powers?гyбaми (with the lips), as the Russian saying goes>>517401969>General Vlasov proposed Hitler to organize entire Russian army in Wehrmacht but he was ignorednice same old same soviet-propagandist revisionism you've got there, but here's the reality on the pic related
>>517400031>>517399374>WW1 is just like WW2biggest retard award
>>517402193yeah, because the west, you were allied with, bombed Germany day and night and opened multiple other fronts.every german city you came to was already bombed to dust before you even showed up there, including Koenigsberg
>>517396231>What the fuck was Hitler thinking here, /pol/?Swedes and Finns would fuck the Russians up so fucking bad, it's truly been irritating to see slav niggers killing slav niggers in this retarded war leading 4chan nigger monkey brained faggots to believe that Russia could do anything against the whole of a united European war effort.
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>>517401337Molotov bears much blame for the deterioration in relations. He was rude and arrogant during his visit to Moscow in November 1940. Basically demanding control of the whole of eastern Europe and Balkans and reducing Germany to status of a Russian tributary.(He and Stalin -- like everybody else -- believed that Germany would never start a war on two fronts, so there was no fear in Moscow of a German attack.)Hitler was furious. (I think he said something like "nobody has ever spoken to me like that" about his meetings with Molotov.)As soon as Molotov had gone he ordered the German army to begin preparations for an attack.
>>517402193strange how the skull fragments you guys had from him tested back to a slavic woman
>>517402714>his visit to MoscowBerlin of course, not Moscow
>>517401929WW2 was won by the British naval blockade. That's all there is to it. Boys study war; men study logistics.
>>517402714yes, basically, that meeting was the last turning pointHitler mentions that in his talk with Mannerheimthey were basically demanding Finland from Hitlerm, which he could never do
>>517400870idk bro, we fought the jews ( or as you say bolsheviks ) and their puppets including you in 1999
>>517402374>yeah, because the west, you were allied withwe didn't ally shit, really, dude, JEWSSR wasn't a representative of Russia, but was merely an occupational government, straight up installed by the UK/USAit had no political subjectiveness, whatsoever
>>517402948why are the british posting on this site under polish VPNsyouve been doing that for years and exposed multiple times
>>517401962Britain had total control of the seas. Even the Mediterranean. It doesn't matter who you are if your opponent gets unlimited overseas shipments of materiel while you only get what your land can produce. That war is not winnable.
>>517396231"I can fight commies when they aren't fully ready for it, or I can let the commies fight me once they are."Same shit Napoleon did.You don't attack Russia because it's a great idea, you attack Russia because letting Russia attack you on their term will be even worse.
>>517397490he wanted you to be peasants who were taken care of but not educated. basically what you are but for jewsslav comes from slave, which you can see is the natural state of slavs in their relationship with zelynskyy. Hitler was just being honest (as usual)
>>517403216yeah, must be why they desperately sold the empire to the americans to survive
>>517403086I don't know what kind of retard objects to "Britain was the foremost world power in 1939". How am I supposed to take seriously anything you say?This is the equivalent of saying "you only think Magnus Carlsen is the best because you're Norwegian".
>>517403375They had stuff to sell. Because they were still the foremost world power in 1939. What is your objection exactly?
>>517396231End communism. The fact that Churchill and Roosevelt fought against this is criminal.
>>517403531because its riduclous nonsense on every level
>>517397110probably to not get flanked
>>517403240IIRC, when one of Napoleon's generals in Spain was complaining about something there, he told the man to shut up saying "I am about to attack a country where nothing grows for 5 months of the year and you bring me your problems?"So he was aware of the danger.
>>517396231Probably he and stalin were both hired to get rid of as many white passionate youth as possible.
>>517403605my objection is that you are britishonly british are this delusionalwhy are you posting under a polish flag and been doing that for yearsyour entire shithole should be nuked
>>517396231literally itll be over in 2 months
>>517403640>because... because!This is indeed the level of argument I was expecting from you.
>>517396231TZD?
>>517397110>Moscow and Leningradhis aristocretin like generals didnt understand modern warfareit was basically over for nord and mitte after battle of smolensk
>>517404027>TZD?TPD!* HOWEVER
>>517403914dont you have better things to than post under polish falg, Jamieyou have been doing that for yearswhat do you think youre accomplishing?
>>517400330Good Evening krautnigger, good to see you back, shitting up threads with your low IQ takes and obnoxiousness. That shit quality illustration that you keep posting on here, doesn't even match the official data, where Germany is #3 behind the US and UKhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_countryIf it wasn't for Kraut niggers chimping out with 2 world wars, and financing the communist revolution to weaken Russia, Russia would likely be much higher up.
>>517396231good job at attacking the usa, ken. nukes well deserved.
>>517396432Then he should have secured the suez canal and gone into Iran to secure oil
>>517396231>What the fuck was Hitler thinking here, /pol/?paving the way for Us now to be able to see through the endless lies and crimes of the jEW
>>517399104Shouldn't have made a deal with somebody who's willing to split a country between you and him. Especially not when you also think, and 80 years later claim, that this guy actually wanted to take over europe and this is why you had to attack him. A bit naive.
>>517398723The main issue they had with rail supply was partisan attacks. Soviet command gave their behind-enemy-lines units an order that the priority was to attack the rail lines, rolling stock and basically kill train drivers/crew on sight, they took a particular interest in torturing the drivers and mutilating their bodies as a warning. In the build up to Kursk, partisan attacks on rear echelons heavily hampered the German build-up. It was a constant pain in the arse and a source of fear for the drivers. Imagine you had a commuter route in fucking Hamburg and then you're sent to bumfuck Belarus, if the Russians capture you they'll literally rip your balls off and make you bleed out.
>>517402276>14 September 1944In that month Germans lost control of France, Belgium, Finland, Estonia, Romania and Bulgaria. (Soviets also invaded Hungary, Lithuania and Latvia, which would fall soon after.)Basically, this was the moment Germany lost the war.Allowing Vlasov's Russians to join the fight was an act of desperation that accomplished nothing. It should have been done in 1941.
>>517404084its an official study, you stupid fuckhttps://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/nobelshare.htmlits also science nobel prices, (((not economics))) and (((literature))) or other stupid shit
>>517396231I mean he couldn't get the British to peace nor conquer them so the only other way to survive was a gamble on invading the USSRHitlers main focus was to save Europe from Judaic communism which he somewhat succeeded in at least the USSR didn't get to take over all of Europe which is what would have happened without Hitlers rise to power.
>>517404084>Good Evening krautnigger,he's not a German, but an Albanian/Romanian rapefugeeand you're not English, but a Pakistani/Jeet/Pole
>>517396231he fell for the 'muh soviet army on its last legs' meme. as it turns out a russian army on its last legs had enough energy to march all the way to berlin and subsequently open up another front to go open another front with the japs in manchuria
>>517397103I think it was lend lease they underestimated.>>517397490That was never the case. Poles have to tow this line or they’re bad nationalists or whatever.Hitler wasn’t against Slavs, Slavs are tards.I say that and your Slavic chimp mind goes tribal, but think about it. Ethnically who are the only two countries at war with each other in Europe?Slavic.What are the lowest HDI countries in Europe?Slavic ones.Historically who have been the least advanced in Europe? Slavs.It’s the truth.
>>517396231top 2 were decoys the true operation was bottom one going to the Baku oilfields, however he was just too quick and he was a retard didn't wait out 1 winter and fortified positions plus secured supply routes, if he had the swastika would pbbly still be either a normal flag or Deutschland would'be been nuked in September 45
Why not just send 20k aryan warriors to pillage the country, by avoiding the more defended cities? They covld have create another front on the East side of Russia too, with a mass airdrop of aryans behind the enemie lines.
>>517396231“Those stupid Soviet faggots won’t know what hit them!”
>>517404450>Allowing Vlasov's Russians to join the fightthey had joined earlier than 1944https://www.bitchute.com/video/tirlAFn6AzDX/
>>517404456You're still in 3rd place in the sciences. The fact that economics is listed too is almost like we live in an economy and studying it actually matters.
>>517397110>>517401028>>517400787It's not retarded though.Those cities are full of factories, soldiers and good logistical hubs.If they leave them alone, they are excellent places to mobilize soldiers from and stage large scale attacks overall threathening the attack on the caucasus and the occupied territories.>>517403643This.
>>517396231>What the fuck was Hitler thinking here, /pol/?
>>517404340>paving the way for Us now to be able to see through the endless lies and crimes of the jEWbased
>>517398516>>517398068ThatNs not the reason he attacked. He explains why he attacked in a public announcement.
>>517400705Why lie like this
>>517404956at least you said something, Paki
Honestly if you think about it, Churchill was a shit tier prime minister. I really don't understand the love for the guy. I get that Englands aim always was to stop a unified Europe, but at what cost? It is as the German ITT points out, he basically sold the entire country to the US in order to win, but what were the results. Britain became beholden to the US and in time turned into a mere vasal state. It's colonies? Lost. The empire? Gone. The economy? Right now it's in such shambles, some people are talking about IMF intervention. At least he stopped the foreign German huns, though. Instead millions of way worse foreigners have and still are invading the nation, sanctioned by a government seemingly hostile to its own people. Most of this also applies to Germany of course, Germany LOST the war though, but are now in many ways in a more advantageous position than Britain. Worst of all, despite all these sacrifices Europe unified anyway, albeit in the gayest way possible, but still. Churchill has "won" so hard the native Britons are set to become a minority in their own nation and might vanish entirely in the future. How is that guy not the number 1 villain of British, maybe even European history?
The British strategy vs Hitler was the same as against Napoleon: Just survive and wait until he makes a mistake.
>>517404069the sight of a Somali fills me with so much rage and disgust their fucking q tip heads and slack jawed vacant expressions...
>>517396231Barbarossa was Hitler's only mistake and it killed him.
>>517401969>>517402276>>517404450>>517404883The Soviet Citizens joined the Hwermacht en masse already in 1941. Vlasov’s army was an independent army formation, however, and up until that date only up to division-sized units of Soviet Citizens existed.Giving Vlasov command over an army’s worth of them in 1941 wouldn’t have changed anything either. They already fought at the front for 4 years, just spaced out in support of German units.
>>517396231He was surrounded
>>517405535Well they also slowly learned from and copied Hitler’s big strategic moves, same exact thing they did to Napoleon. The longer a military genius stays at war, the more his enemies learn from and match him.
>>517396231Lol idk, YOLO probably or somth liek dat
>>517396231Stalin was secretly planning to invade Europe, he had been slowly building troop numbers along the border for years and was going to continue to do so until his army was ready after his purges.When Operation Barbarossa commenced the Germans caught the Russians truly by surprise and captured millions of those troops who were lying in wait.Even though Hitler lost he actually saved Europe with Operation Barbarossa.
>>517396782They could've just not have invaded. They were allies at the time
>>517401929>>517405918Correct. Without this one move, Our current hellscape would have been brought to Europe 75 years sooner. Hitler changed the course of history forever with that one simple truck.
>>517405918thats why they had to invent all these lies about Hitler and germans, to hide the truth about the whole war
>>517405204/thread
>>517402276A true hero.
>>517397717totally true. the anglojews in fact supported the axis (nazi and fascist + others) against the commies with all they could. then later they came to take their slice of the cake from the ashes of europe at jalta. they are doing exactly the same now.
>>517397103Nonsense. Stalin himself admitted Germany would’ve wrecked Russia if America hadn’t joined the allies, or had joined later than they did. Germans are/were more intelligent and better at logistics than anyone at the time, but were overconfident in their bet that America would mind its own business.
>>517404748Lend Lease didn't come in significant quantities in the first half of the war>LL was 30% of total Soviet supplies>Half of it went to the Eastern Army to fight the Japanese bcs Mutts chickened out after Iwo Jima>Therefore it was 15% of Soviet supplies in the Eastern Front>56% of total LL came in '44-45, when war was decided long ago and after Stalin agreed to attack Japan (which he absolutely didn't have to)>By the end of Barbarossa only 2% of LL came (0.7% of total Soviet supply)>By the end of Stalingrad additional 14% came (5% of Soviet supplies)LL was mostly for the Mutts to get Russians to fight for them in the Pacific >>517404748>Historically who have been the least advanced in Europe?Russia was the first space faring nation and satellite and space station inventor, historically
>>517406229The NAZIs, Churchill (and most of Europe), and the zionists all agreed on getting kikes out of Europe (for different reasons) they just quibbled about logistics.
>>517405918Bumch of bullshitDuring summer of 41 red army wasn't ready. Good amount of officer corps was on a vacation. Industrialization wasn't dome eitherIf it was getting ready to invade invasion would start with major counterattacks-you don't defend by staying in place, especially in ww2Truth is, germans were greedy bastard that gpt overconfident and came up with a story to make themselves feel better
>>517406522>Contrary to popular belief, the largest tank battles of World War II were not during the Kursk campaign of 1943, but during Operation Barbarossa in the summer of 1941. The Soviet tank fleet was enormous – about 24,000 tanks facing about 3,500 Panzers. But despite the gross numerical imbalance in their favor, the summer 1941 campaign was a disaster for the Red Army.>In this book, based on documents previously unpublished in the English language, world-renowned armor expert Steven J. Zaloga analyses why the Red Army performed so badly in Barbarossa. During the summer months, the Red Army lost about 15,000 tanks including most of its best new tanks such as the T-34s and KVs, and by winter, most of the pre-war arsenal had been lost. It was dubbed the “Tankoviy pogrom”: the Tank Massacre.https://www.ospreypublishing.com/us/soviet-tanks-in-barbarossa-1941-9781472868084/
>>517396231you don't see wars in america which is the large land mass (all americas) so they make those wars a way to distract people from real value.imagine being euroepan and wasting all your life and resources for a desert strip surround by niggers while there are so much wealth in america.
>>517403348No, slav comes from "slovo" - "word"
>>517396231typical german insecurity over never hitting puberty and becoming a big boy country like britain, france, italy, turkey, russia, spain, portugal, denmark and the netherlands. also he hated slavs after he saw what they did to the austro hungarian empire and hated communists. also he needed to direct his incel energy somewhere after britain proved unassailable, and there was the sahara & mediterranean sea & italian interests in the south. he's more sensing feeling perceiving than thinking judging so he didn't really evaluate the risk/reward or comprehend the situation
>>517404180What do you think Africa was all about? And why we invaded Iran?
>>517405601>Barbarossa was Hitler's only mistake and it killed him.That was the big one that got him killed, but there was also1) Excessive caution vs the British and French in 1940. He thought he was fighting the armies of 1914 and was terrified of another 'Marne'. This fear was unfounded and he should have been more aggressive.2) Failure to defeat the Normandy invasion in 1944. He had about around 2 million men in France and the invasion would have been easily defeated if it had been immediately counterattacked in strength. He refused to do this because he was convinced it was only a feint and that the real attack was coming elsewhere.
>>517405918Bruh, Soviets and Nazis were best buddies. Nazi Germany was Soviet's largest export market with Germany importing literally everything in existence from food to processed metals from Soviets with zero restrictions. Nazi Germany had joint military exercised inside of Soviet territory, Soviets didn't give a fuck about Nazi Germany war crimes and genocides and literally never said a single bad word about Nazis. It is ONLY after Hitler invades soviets that they started roleplaying as muh liberators and killing le nazi scum.Stalin was so buddy buddy with Nazi Germany he didn't even try to reinforce the borders and actively ignored spy reports of Nazi preparing for invasion telling them they don't know shit. Staling was completely buckbroken mentally when he found out his best buddies germans invaded him.
>>517406725>No, slav comes from "slovo" - "word"ты cпopишь c пиндocoм, oни нe знaют чё тaкoe этимoлoгия aпpиopи, зaбeйбыдлy лeгчe coздaвaть нapoднyю нaпpидyмaннyю "этимoлoгию", тoлькo пoтoм чтo cлoвa звyчaт coзвyчнo, нeжeли peaльнo изyчaть этoт paздeл лингвиcтики
>>517396231z0g vs z0g warhitler was controlled opp, designed by the "thüle society"
>>517407058>coздaвaть нapoднyю нaпpидyмaннyю "этимoлoгию", тoлькo пoтoм чтo cлoвa звyчaт coзвyчнoПycтд cнaчaлa BEДATЬ нayчaтcя и пoтoм лeзyт
>>517407443kekas time goes onour faith will carry on!>WE LIGHT THE FLAME >THAT ONCE WAS DOUSED
>>517406627Yes, because you had the element of surpriseAxis outnumbered USSR at the beginning as wellAnd even then you got fucking wrecked
>>517406725Or slava
>>517407817yeah no shitthe soviet union was armed to the teeth and had like 200 million people and lost 30 millionlives dont mater when you attack in human waves until the opponent runs out of bullets
>>517407622he was a germanic pagan, it's not like he was a christian or anything. he didn't really think about it too much to be honest, he was a man of action not a man of ideas.
>>517408010>proud of killing mostly civilians here>but in another thread will go on about how hitler actually loved slavs and merely wanted to free them from le hecking gommunismsclassic wehraboo
>>517407622>stengazeta-26-06-2014_1.jpga вeдь ecли б oн peaльнo мoг в этимoлoгию (чтo нe тaк yж и cлoжнo, нa caмoм дeлe), мoг бы oхyeнный apийcкo-pyccкий нappaтив push'ить. a тaк кpинж пoлyчaeтcя...к coжaлeнию...>>517407982>Or slavathere was no "a" in the original proto-Slavic cлoвѣнинъ/slověninu word, though
>>517396231he took too many amphetamines and thought know more than his generals about waging a war
>>517408369>muh civiliansthis is an easily exposed commie lie by the fact that the soviet union had a 0.79 ratio of men to women after the warcivilian deaths dont create such a disbalanceonly military deaths dobecause the soviets send meatwaves to the front
>>517408410How did they say "slava" then
>>517408628>How did they say "slava" thenslàva/cлàвa with the ʋ voiced labiodental approximant, similar to that of the Slovenian one
>>517396231HE WAS THINKING TCDTOTALEN KRIEG ON THE GOMMUNISTS
>>517408522join the golani brigade do a flip when you ack!
He knew the commie fags (Jewish Bolsheviks) were going to backstab him and being the smarter leader took the initiative.
>>517408916Well there you go. Slaven comes from Slava
>>517397110I think it is, because he believed Russia would just collapse like in WW1 and that he can just take the capital and with it the whole country.Wishful thinking ignoring that Stalin had a firm grip of power after the purges of the 30s. The war was lost already for axis in 1938, neither ww2 Japan nor nazi germany would ever be able to get the oil they need and the logistics therefor, nor would nazi germany and ww2 japan ever be able to compete with the navel dominance of the allies. WW2 was a failed endeavor of the axis from the start. Japan build it's ww2 empire on US oil imports and Germany on hidden debt (mefo-bills) that would have collapsed it, so when the bills were about to became due, nazi germany decided to start a war and try to rob their neighbors to pay for debt etc.Morally monstrous and absolutely blinded by fanatical ideologies.With a little realism, reason, and logisticscalculation it would have been absolutely clear that this war was unwinnable or that the chances of getting a defacto victory by achieving a stalemate somewhere were like below 5 percent.But ideological fanatics can't even take the little responsibility of doing some math, and logistics and geopolitics calculations. IMO Germany was doomed as early as 1933, when nazis came into power and spread their crazy totalitarian ideology.
>>517400873Hitler always wanted to focus on fighting communism. His plan was to destroy the Soviet Union before it was too late and they invaded first and occupied Eastern Europe, like how they just did anyway. The main problem was that the English were retarded and couldn't let go of the past squabbles and see the bigger picture. They should have let Germany keep Danzig and the other lost territories and support them in fighting the Soviets.
>>517408628useless to argue, it meant the same thing to honour or glorify something is to name it with a word
>>517409145fukc off with your fuckign mefo bills, you fuckign shillthey were like 10% of GDP, nothign would have collapsed from thatesepcially with an economy that was growing almost 10% a yearutter nonsense
>>517396231If nazis were more inclusive towards Russians we would have won
>>517409810TOTAL PERFIDIOUS ALBION DEATH
>>517397110this was Blitzkrieg so their intention was to take the entire country in a matter of weeks like they did France ensuring that they would not get caught out in a long protracted conflict the main problem was that they didn't have enough support vehicles for the logistics train back to Germany and they had to stop the attack just short of Moscow, they ended up spreading themselves way too thin and not giving Guderian enough for the main thrust and ended up with this stupid plan that split their forces into three prongs because they realized without the initial success they had to prepare for a longer more attrition based conflict which they weren't at all prepared for, the plan was far too ambitious and there ended up being an enormous amount of casualties that couldn't be replaced and a huge trench line spreading the span of Russia that they ended up abandoning because they couldn't man it
>>517409810>If nazis were more inclusive towards Russians we would have wonтaк oни, нaхyй, и были инклюзивными, Гeббeльc и Гиммлep кyчy бaблa вклaдывaли в poccийcкиe бeлoэмигpaнтcкиe opгaнизaции, гaзeты, pyccкoязычныe шкoлы, POA, POHA и т.дв дoбaвoк pyccким литepaтopaм дeньги eщё вкидывaли
>>517396231gonna blast a family secret here: my grandpa and one of his mate shot each other in the shoulders in Russia 1944 to get away from the frontline back into the Reich to not get captured or killed by soviets. No one knows but our family.
>>517408010>Muh enemy at the gatesCopeYou started a fight you could not win and got wreckedWe could have made you extinct but we didn't. Actually, considering the state of western germany we probably saved your ungrateful asses
>>51740979710% of GDP? Sure.But still Nazi Germany’s "growth"/"economic miracle" was fake, fueled by hidden debt, frozen wages, and rearmament and no exit plan.By 1938, bills were due, FX reserves gone, oil running out. War was the only way to pay.No conquest would have been economic implosion.Also whats next? You want to tell me the Allies provoked Nazi Germany into war?Look at the facts, the Allies did everything in their power to prevent a war.While hitler tried everything in his power to provoke a war.In fact hitler got so much appeasement from Allies, that he could take Austria and Czechoslowakia with no consequence.But it was never enough, because he needed the war economically and build his whole ideology around war.So yeah, Nazi Germany supposedly getting WW2 "forced on it" by Allies is a Nazy myth. Don't repeat it. Get better sources
>>517406043The Soviets had been massing forces on their border with Germany. No way they weren't planning to invade. Hitler believed they needed a pre-emptive strike, and they did catch the USSR wrongfooted, but it wasn't enough. The situation ended up being worse than Hitler thought, as his candid conversation with Mannerheim reveals.
>>517396231needed romanian oil-fieldsand yes it was retarded betting on the Japanese to keep the Russians at bay, same for the Finns, that cucked out, we remember the "gebrochene Waffentreue".
>>517396231so dis fool hitler he decided to roll up on da soviet union rite? dis big move called operation barbarossa? dat wuzn jus sum random spur-of-da-moment beef. nah dat wuz da main event he been planning on da low da whole time. he jus picked dat specific june 41 date cuz da timing wuz rite fo his schemes.basically da whole situation wuz like dis:>wuz he jus being preemptive or ackshually on sum otha stuff?so britain wuz still in da chat refusing to take da L. hitlers whole logic was: if i wipe da floor w da soviets den:>dead da hopebritains whole vibe wuz basically waiting fo stalin to hop in da party. so if i cancel stalin britain gotta come hollerin fo peace. on me.>secure da baghe wuz tryna snatch ukraines whole grain stash n dem oil fields in da caucasus. get da bag make germany self-sufficient n nobody could block him no mo.>he thought dey wuz sweetda soviet army had a whole embarrassing moment gettin dey wig pushed back by finland. fo real. so hitler n his crew saw dat n wuz like "ayo dese boys is a whole scam n sheeit. dey leadership trash." hitler said da ussr wuz a "rotten house" dat wuz gonna fall ova if u breathed on it too hard.>lowkey scared of a future slideit wuzn da main reason but in da back of his mind he wuz thinkin if he got stuck in a long drag-out fight w britain n da us stalin might try to sneak him. so he wanted to throw da first punch while his squad wuz still da strongest.>dat pact wuz always capdat whole "non-aggresshun" treaty from 39? dat wuz jus temporary clout. dey wuz both using each otha. hitler needed to handle poland w/o stalin lookin sideways n stalin needed time to build up his own arsenal. dey both knew da real fight wuz comin. hitler jus decided to swing first.
>>517411696but den he fumbled bad. why he thought he could win is da exact same reason he took a massive L.>1. he undaestimated da whole operashundis wuz his biggest goof. he completely misjudged how deep da soviet union wuz. da army wuz way bigga da pipo wuz ready to scrap fo dey land (specially after da germans started actin a whole fool) n dey factory game wuz stronga dan he thought.>2. he wuz on his high horsecuz hed washed poland n france so quick he thought his military wuz unstoppable. he wuz feelin himself way too tough.>3. da logistics wuz a whole disasterbro da distance wuz crazy da roads wuz trash n turned to straight mud n den dat russian winter hit n his soldiers wuz out dere in summer fits! da whole plan wuz based on pure fantasy no backup plan at all.>4. opened a whole new frontdis wuz da dumbest part. by startin dis w da soviets he literally created da two-front war dat erry german strategist since foreva said wuz a dead sentence. he signed his own dead certificate w dat one.straight up he thought he wuz him. he wuzn.
>>517411696dr trayvon you be great
>>517411098what retarded horseshitalso get off your VPN, kike
>>517396231Hitler simply didn't predict the US would absolutely stuff the USSR with free aid in every single category there is.
>>517396231The Germans knew for decades at this point that they wouldn’t be able to fight a two front war. So by the time Hitler came to power and saw what the Jews were trying to pull, he preemptively tried to knock out one of those fronts before Britain got involved. He wasn’t able to take them down before it happened though and he lost, as he knew he would. Any German military officer knew that would happen but he still had to try. I’m not sure exactly what he could have done differently though. The enemy of Germany was always Russia and Britain. You take one out and that lets you focus on the other.
>>517412244Ad hominem in place of evidence says everything. The facts remain: Reichsbank reports, Schacht’s memos, Hitler’s own speeches about "Lebensraum" and racial conquest, and the well‑documented Allied appeasement. No amount of name‑calling will erase well documented historic facts.
>>517412400Hitler conquered with an army. The US conquered with logistics and factories.
>>517414229basically. WW2 was a logistics war and the US was unbeatable. It's thanks to the US that our war casualties were relatively low.
