Should there be penalties or social stigma for men who waste women's childbearing years making them forever girlfriends?
>>517584951I bet she forced him to wear condoms or she kept killing the kids with plan B
>>517584951my ex probably thinks this. i told her day one no kids. it didnt stop her from trying.
Never understood why girls in their 20s were dating guys in their 20s who are still figuring shit out.They would always be in like a relationship for 10 years then break up no marriage no kids and then the girl is suddenly really in a rush to find someone to have kids with.Most lads aren't financially able to support a family until their 30's.
No, there should be summary execution for the elites who keep the 99% of the people impoverished preventing them from creating a happy family.
>>517584951Are women property or not? If women are "equals" then they have equal say in how their time is wasted. If women are property then they don't get to have divorce money without a tribunal of other men voting on it.
>>517584951Unironically, YES.
>>517586052Many such cases, sad!
>>517584951They truly are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions.
>>517584951I wasted the most fertile 7 years of my whore of an ex, it's funny to read this because it's exactly what I always thought lol>damn we literally wasted almost 8 years here, glad you can't do shit about the wasted time, see ya!
>>517586052Women are very bad at making rational and logical decisions.That's why they always needed a chaperone even into adulthood
>>517586052Nowadays 30-somethings can’t either. You either have a dual income or you’re screwed for the most part.
>>517584951Nah it's always women's fault
women>I'm equal to men!also women>men are responsible for my poor life decisions!go back to the era of inescapable arranged marriages and then you can blame men for your problems
>>517584951Women control their reproduction. It's up to them to set their timeframe and limits.It's more important for them to be up front about their expectations than it is for a man to "avoid wasting" her prime years.There will ALWAYS be a guy willing to cohabitate and fuck her. It's her job to be discerning.
>>517584951yep these men use them as fucktoys nothing else, how do they not realize it?
>>517586166fpbp (forth)
>>517586655This but my ex got immediately pregnant by her rebound bf even though she started birth control
>>517584951Should there be penalties or social stigma for women who waste men's entire lives making them raise someone else's child?Go on, womyn, open this fucking door.
>>517586950Are women not smart enough to figure this out or what?Everyone says it, yet foids even deny their clock is ticking until it’s too late.
>>517584951There should be penalties for men who refuse to have children with their wife and women who refuse to have children with their husband.Fornication is a sin regardless of what sex does it. Adultery is a sin regardless of who does it. The punishment for both should be lashes or death.
>>5175849511. Yes this is why casual sex is bad2. Her own fault for not dating seriously
>>517586052>Most lads aren't financially able to support a family until their 30's.even if you have money in your 20's you're still not smart enough to make good family decisions, or even picking proper wife
>>517586950Women are retarded.
>>517584951Corner him in an alley, hold him at gunpoint and take your childbearing years back.Nah, you made your choice, you could have gotten off the birth control, you didn't.
>>517584951Involuntarily Childless.
>>517587204There is no age where women would be smart enough to make the right decisions.The most stupid and poor people are reproducing like rabbits. Stop this nonsense about not enough money, experience, or intelligence to start a family.There are two reasons women don’t have babies anymore:1. Girls get chemically castrated. From when they become fertile as early teens, they are put on pills that make them infertile. Babies are almost never a deliberate decision. It’s a complete delusion to "plan" life. If you prevent it from happening naturally, you’ll live through your fertile years chemically castrated. 2. Women waste their time building a career and working. It’s yet another fertilizer, but working women have no time reproducing. It is very simple.
>>517588345>The most stupid and poor people are reproducing like rabbits. Stop this nonsense about not enough money, experience, or intelligence to start a family.and the divorce rates are 50% and the children are all retarded not raised properly
>>517588345Birth control makes women incapable of lovehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4847696/Women wouldn't work if Jewish daycare wasn't mandated and subsidized. Like HR. It only exists because it's legally mandated to throw out white people's resumes.
>>517584951>does he owe me anythingPlease Lord please let me see a woman successfully sue Chad for having casual sex with her for decades but never committing to or getting her pregnant Fuck it would be so funny
>>517584951Was he holding her hostage? If not, she was free to leave the relationship at any point. The man bears no responsibility for stringing her along. And that's ignoring the fact that a man inherently never bears any responsibility for anything bad that happens in a relationship. Anything bad is always a woman's fault.
>>517584951No, the bitch should have cutoff the relationship after two years tops. Also their bf/husband might be a faggot too if he doesn't have the drive to reproduce.
>>517584951repeal the 19th.
>>517587367lol i had a youngish professor who complained in lecture about men telling women to smile. why do they hate it so much?
>>517588482The divorce rate is so high because women initiate 80% of divorces. Most of these divorces are initiated during perimenopause. Hormonal changes in middle aged women make them hate their partner for no reason. Most of these women regret divorces once their hormones are in check again.But good luck telling a rabid woman to get her hormones checked in this day and age.
>>517588685She was on the pill
>>517586052>women>using logic and reasonChoose only one, Viking bro.
>>517584951What about all the bitches I came in who took plan B or were on the pill? Am I owed children from these women?>The answer is yes, if you were wonderingWomen's rights are always a mistake
>>517584951women angry on Time not giving fuck about them, target men as usual
>>517588909Because women know they should, but a man told them, so they chimp out. Women are retarded.
>>517584951Yes. Beatings.
>>517584951Maybe he didn't knock you up because he knew you would be a terrible mother. He did the world a favor
>>517589032Even more evidence it was her fault then.
>>517586810Even dual income ain't working now. Once you have a kid, one of you either has to quit working or you have to get daycare which costs basically as much as one whole income.
>>517586052sunk cost + oxytocin from fucking the loserthe former works on women and people who can't think logically, the latter is the result of picking the wrong manmany women are hopelessly trapped in the situation they created themselves. pick the wrong guy, fuck the wrong guy, body develops chemical dependencies, keep thinking things will improvepicking / fucking the wrong man has dire consequences, but there is no cure for regret
>>517586052>how come all the hot girls aren't fucking me simply because of my age?
>>517584951>not blaming birth control pills and their side effects
>>517586655and you as a man can find another 18 year old even if youre 30 after dropping roastie, she is now in her 30, with destroyed pussy, mentality, no ring no child, if these whores have a father he did a very poor job
>>517584951No, because nobody forced those women to be in those relationships. They chose them willingly. They played the game wanting particular rewards, and they lost. Be it through happenstance, or more likely utter incompetence. Nothing there to be litigious about.
>>517589032the pill actually fucks with women psyche so much it makes them attracted to different smell, different men, once they stop taking the pill they literally leave their boyfriends, look it up
>>517589640>if these whores have a father he did a very poor jobDING DING DING, poleanon bringing the surgical strikeher father was a complete piece of shit, some lawyer in a rural town thinking he was don corleone 2.0, extremely pathetic and insecure man playing the facade of a ganster god of the laws and "justice"the faggot had 4 families lmao, my ex's was the 3rd family and the 4th family was a hidden affair of almost 20 years. Her family was a complete, utter mess and I was too young and stupid to realize she was damaged goods way before even meeting her in university. Such is life in the Kali Yuga and I deeply thank existence for letting me experience such level of strife and struggle. I hope she's fine but now knowing her familiy conditions I kinda doubt she is but oh well.
>>517584951>>517586052>>517586655After going through a bad break up I finally started dating again and we’ve been together for 6 months and she’s pressuring me to move in because she wants kids before she turns 35 (she’s 33 now)I tried meeting women in their low 20s but none of them have any interest in me. Closest I got in the last 3 years was a 29 year old
>>517588909Women do the opposite of what is good, on purpose, like jews.
no because they deserve it for waiting til theyre 30 to settle down with some poor fucker who doesnt know the bitch is a whoreplus theyve all killed 10 kids
>>517590400See>>517588540Hormonal birth control makes women incapable of love. Copper IUDs should be the only form of birth control.
>>517590935my brother I say this with complete honesty: Do what feels worth doing from your own personal experience and conscience.Does it feel worth doing it? Does it feel like it's "worth the trouble"?We say>Vale la pena?Is it worth the sadness/sorrow/shame/effort?(pena in this particular phrase can mean all or any of those terms, so it's a really cool concept)Do you feel in your heart this is worth the struggle? If the answer is yes then go for it, if you don't really feel it then tell her you need a bit more time or whatever but I've come to learn that one feels much better doing things that we TRULY, REALLY want to do instead of going half assed through existence until dying an unfurfilled life.Just my 2 cents.
>>517584951You mean women wasted their own time and are now blaming anyone else? Sounds about right desu.
>>517590935>33 year old wants you to immediately marry and impregnate hershe's a used up whore, her biological clock is tickingdo NOT settle for that. women hold the key to sex men hold the key to marriage. why is it only now she's trying to get a kid at 33? she had 10 years. what was she doing that whole time? what's her bodycount?don't do it. your life will be fucking ruined. it takes years to know someone enough to move in, forget marrying
>>517584951>"stole">translation: I willingly stuck with him Because they always have to find some way to blame the man for everything.
>>517591479>Just my 2 cents.Don’t you mean 37 Mexican centavos?
>>517591479Life feels that way sometimes. My last relationship was 3 years but by the end I felt like my life was being pulled along and I had no control over anything.>>517591681She had some bad relationships in her 20s with a guy who cheated on her and a guy who was abusive. She stopped having sex from age 26 until she met me. She is very much leading this relationship, and if I were a weaker man I would be happy: she has tons of money and wants to spend it on me. Her parents estate back home overseas is sizable and she is set to inherit it. Being with with her would hedge any future financial US collapse. Alone I’m scraping by but happy (until it comes crashing down like it did in 2020 and 2023 when I got laid off)
>>517586052>Never understood why girls in their 20s were dating guys in their 20s who are still figuring shit out. They are obsessed with fun, and they can have lots of fun without any responsibilities and society not only enables but encourages it. Why should any 30 year old man be forced to date used up 30 year old women who had lots of fun for decades and now want all the benefits of monogamous relationships with those men who sacrificed their 20s to develop themselves and their careers? I wanted a good wholesome long-term relationship in my 20s but was never good enough now not only am I resentful, but I don't think my resentment is irrational. At the very least when women get murdered, killed, raped, and abused, I am rather apathetic to it at this point, the worst of them I will cheer on their demise, good riddance.
>>517592184>She had some bad relationships in her 20s with a guy who cheated on her and a guy who was abusive. She stopped having sex from age 26 until she met me.until you have proof of this, these are just claimsnot to shill a jewtube channel or a boomer but try "strongsuccessfulmale"this whole, mid 30s ready to settle down thing with a sob story of being cheated on and being chaste til you while trying to get you to move in and impregnate her as fast as possible is a literal meme it's so common. please be careful dude. put the brakes on this until you find out more.>she's basically richsounds like a great deal for poorfags like us but dude i'm telling you rich girls with dry wombs are NUTS. be more cautious at the least. i would bet you my meager life's savings she has definitely had sex between you and that dude.
>>517592184also>abusivephysically?any charges or evidence?to women, saying no is abuse, lmao
>>517592184you're overthinking it, if she's richer than you, you're not going to have pay alimony, lmaoyou basically hit the jackpot, knock her up, just make sure she actually has money
>>517592444>>517592402>>517592184then again, depending on your state, when she's loaded, if she doesn't string you along and wants to marry you, consult with a lawyer and see how the paternity split goes. also get a paternity test no matter what.it's more common for men to get child support and make out like bandits in divorces now but it's still area dependent. maybe you have a safe gig made but i'd be super fucking skeptical. if she tries to make you sign a prenup when she's the one who wants you to accelerate then be cautious too. if you play it safe and learn her habits and be smart you might be set for life if she's actually loyal and decent, and if she's not, you might be able to take a ton of her shit.but i still smell shit here. rich girl, 33, and desperate to get married? why hasn't some simp locked her down?ask those questions. to yourself, at least. she might be nuts>>517592670>you're not going to have pay alimonynot always true even when the woman is loaded. highly depends on the state and jurisdiction. family court is a nightmaresince she's claimed abuse he has to make sure she doesn't defame him eithernobody wants to keep track of all this but if you want a kid and to not be raped over the coals this kind of paranoia is absolutely necessary these daysits awful
>>517586052Women in their 20s went to slut around and be free. Even if they date they're still fucking 50 other guys a month. One they hit 30 they get the ick from any partner they have and want to lock down a chad or fuck a horde of niggers and get some beta male bux.
>>517587367ahahaha this guy's a king. give me more.
>>517584951No. Its a shit test that excludes the stupid women from the gene pool. If you waste your fertile years on a guy who tells you he never wants kids or is always just "turning his life around" or "about to hit it big" but he's just been a pot smoking loser the past 10 years; that's a YOU PROBLEM.Many such cases as this in the local music scene where I live. To put penalties on men for this is to infantilize women.
>>517592670still bad deal if you want to have more children
>>517593127>Women in their 20s went to slut around and be freebecause they think it's because they're pretty not young, they dont realize all the attention will vanish once they hit 30
>>517589504Roastie cope lol
>>517592184Be careful, lad. Do not put yourself in a position where you have to rely on a woman financially; the cost for that is dire. Women will tell you they dont mind being the bread winner, that its empowering, but in their heart they want to be the one taken care of - western culture has conditioned them to be want to be a princess who gets pampered by mr. Right. Women are much, much quicker to develop ugly, co dependent dynamics when they know they have all the financial leverage. She'll tell you to quit your job and enjoy life when she inherits that big ass house and itll seem so sweet at first, but before you know it, you'll be listening to the same condescending bullshit everytime you ask for money to buy beer or something. My friend married a rich girl and his life has been one humiliation ritual after another since and now he's 40 years old with a resume that only has genetic retail shit from ten years ago and a shrew wife that he has to supplicate everytime he wants to buy magic the gathering cards. Its up to you, though. Relationships are complicated and personal; plenty of them have overcome more straining differences. As our mexican friend said, listen to your gut before anyone on this hellhole.
>>517592402>>517592444One guy would yell at her and call her worthless. She’s Indian and hates other Indian men now. she has a superiority complex over inferior races including her own. I think Indian men also don’t like her. She dated a white guy in college but she eventually cheated on he when she didn’t want to get intimate with him. >>517592874She’s also a lawyer, makes 350k a year, I think the law would be on her side if anything went south
>>517584951Women do the same thing! I brother and friend both got dumped by there ex’s after being together for 6 years. Both got cucked.
>>517593512it doesnt affect men at all, the roastie loses her pretty years, her breeding years, while the man only gains expierence, its only bad if she stopped him from making a career, men 30's are better than their 20's, women the opposite
>>517592184You sure know how to pick them
>>517584951do men get compensation back from women who waste their money and time by not providing a clean house and dinner?
>>517593284>>517593127I knew a young coworker. Last time I talked to her she was 24 and dating a guy she liked and talked about being a mom someday. A year later she was engaged. She disappears for awhile and shows up at 27 single again and going on about how she “rediscovered herself” and is now in her feral era. She got a ton of tats and now acts in hippie shows. Whatever opportunity she had when she was younger was not what she wanted apparently and she may never be a mom at this point
>>517593343>no job>beer>Magic the Gathering cardsYou need better "friends" buddy
>>517587367The absolute state of females.
>>517584951The opposite is true, too. The infertile, closeted lesbian whore that I accidentally married at 29 took my best years. I'm too old to properly have a kid now. Things are fine, whatever, but I wanted kids.
>>517593910I suffer from low self esteem and feeling like I don’t relate to anyone so when a woman likes being around me I cling to that. But lately I’m wondering if I even deserve to be in a relationship or if I should just be alone and only get social interaction through friends.
>>517594085>talked about being a mom somedayher boyfriend had no balls that's why, you can't fuck this up
>>517584951women do not have a right to my penis and its semen
>>517593412>pajeeta wants you to have a kid with herFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!do you wanna be jew deism vance here? lmao
>>517594657That could be it, their engagement photo was her picking him up. He looked like a typical soiboy but he was also much older. He was 31 and she was 23 when they started dating
>>517584951He was apparently right if he is the ex now. He just beat a game you were playing.
>>517587367he should do the same videobut instead asking if they're transthe responses will shock
>>517593412>I think the law would be on her side if anything went southyeah uhhh, a brown lawyer? fuck nobailor just waste her time but even that is dangerous.you can impregnate a woman at 120. take your time bro
>>517586052Despite what you read on here women don’t want to fuck guys over 30
>>517586052>Most lads aren't financially able to support a family until their 30's.This is cope. No one has the money to support kids until they have kids. As your income grows you always expand your lifestyle to fit it. It's only once you have kids and they become priority 0 with all kid spending is done first before anything else that you realize you could have had kids years ago. After some initial one time investments (crib, stroller, baby cloths, etc.) kids are dirt cheap. The first several years of their lives they eat next to nothing. They live in the same house as you. Everyone and anyone you know will shower them with so many toys you'll be fighting to send them back because you can't see your floor anymore below the clutter. Just have the kids and everything works out. Shitskins do it all the time and they turn out just fine.
>>517586052meh. pros and cons. autism rates are down if you breed early and responisbility forces guys to shape up quicker.
>>517590935I’m 31 and find it really easy to pick up girls in their early to mid-twenties. Not really interested in women in their thirties yet as they all seem to have a bunch of “trauma” from past relationships
>>517595059cope zoomer
>>517584951What stopped her from having a baby?
>>517584951No, it's women's fault for chasing good looking guys.Incels wouldn't do that and in fact would be more willing to make them pregnant, to make sure to trap them so they can't leave for a chad later.
>>517586167They're the best of both, property that can take half your shit and give it to somebody else.
>>517589640The whole>Men can find another 18 year old even if your 30Is mostly a cope. Women want men about their age who are physically attractive and socially adept. Some women are willing to sacrifice some of those things for men that are rich. You aren't rich, so you need to rely on the other things which means you'll mostly be stuck dealing with over the hill divorcee 30 year olds.
>>517584951We should give them a name like "performative male" or something to better segregate
>>517584951The women's hatred of men is limitless.
>>517584951opposite.women should be required to pay men back for wasting our years.Once a woman is unable to have children, she has no value in the reproductive sense. so there is no point in paying her back money.she can't use it on anything other than herself. since she is infertile.
>>517584951>2028>dating a woman for more than 6 months then breaking it off is a criminal offenseWow. The incel breathing in the wrong direction meme is coming to life.
>>517588909If a woman is not very sexually attracted to you and you tell her to do something it's basically rape to them. >hey would you mind not playing music after 11pm on weekdays RAPE
>>517592184She's going to fuck you over lmao. She just wants to play games. Once you break up - your over. There was a reason and you might not know the half of it. Solid chance she was cheating on you and decided to end it thinking it was going to be a better deal. You ever want to figure shit out let your phone die then ask her if you can call your parents on hers. If she becomes combative it means she has dating apps on it. If she hands it to you and watches intently its because she's seeing if you see anything. Over half of women in relationships have apps that they use weekly to look around.
>>517584951The stigma should be for women who waste their time with men who they know have no plans on giving them children but try anyway and are nothing but used up whores.
>>517584951Kek and no. If the bitch is too stupid to not date a middle aged man in her 20’s or doesn’t groom her dad’s friend while she’s in high school that’s her problem.
>>517598506She’s not cheating, she’s very open about who she talks to. she has asked me if I’m cheating before and wants to know what I’m doing on my phone but she stopped asking a while ago
>>517584951The standard of virginity at marriage was there in every society worth a damn to protect men and women, even outside of a religious context it makes sense
>>517584951Here's the punchline from the article:>We had agreed between us that he would maintain a high-profile career trajectory and I would support this because when I wanted to be the primary carer when we had children. It meant that he could earn well to support our planned family.
>>517586052>>517586810Jew demoralization post. Faggots will pay $8k for a dog and another $2k per year on food/vet/treats/toys and then whine they can't afford a kid. If you got decent insurance most of the medical is covered. Its not the need for dual income but the propaganda about women aren't "empowered" if they're not a corporate cog.. Have yet to meet anyone whose daycare costs weren't at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the 2nd income. Maybe a 4 year old doesn't need their own i-phone and raise your kids yourself? Wife worked when I was in grad school. Just passed the baby over to more then willing female fellow grads for the hours I had to TA After graduation I worked and she stayed at home with all the kids.
>>517584951>muh womb
>>517600010Who the hell pays 8k for a dogWhen I was growing up people literally just had dogs - it was all mutts.Does sometimes occur to me that I might have grown up somewhere kind of dirt poor. Still though, 8k for a dog?
>>517584951Semen is cheap and plentiful. If she wanted to have a baby she could do it with or without him.
> Should there be penalties or social stigma for men who waste women's childbearing years making them forever girlfriends?Should there be penalties or social stigma for women who abort their partner’s baby when the partner wants the child?
>>517600537Sorry consequences are only for men
>>517595164Facts.>T. I have a 15 y.o. boy at 35
>>517602020Yes FBI this man right here
>>517587367I wanna see the same girls when Chad approaches and says the same words.
>>517584951> be me in my thirties > date women in their 20s because the women my age want kids and I don’t > be me in my forties > date a woman in her 20s because I want kids and I don’t want them to have the tismFeels good man
>>517602020>>517595164Those items like strollers and clothes can easily be gotten second hand for next to nothing.The only expense that's hard to get around is car seats.
>>517584951>women's childbearing years
>>517586052>>517584951Once upon a time women had it drilled into their thick skulls that their fertility had a strict time limit and they were on the clock to have a family. Than feminism happened and suddenly society told them that actually you can afford to wait just unlike a man. Then you end up infertile or barely a single kid if your lucky due to wasted time.Nobody tells women such common sense and they are actively encouraged to believe the opposite is true.
>>517603245so? one is enough>>517603356some women have children in their 40s
>>517603730Pregnancy is considered geriatric at 30 and fertility plummets from there. Not to mention birth defects and health risks.
>>517586028good on both of you, not bringing more non-whites into the world is the 2nd most admirable thing non-whites can do. #1 is suicide
>>517603891>Pregnancy is considered geriatric at 30that's bullshit jfl
>>517598753Anon that book is about a psychopathic rapist, from the perspective of the rapist.
>>517603356Hypergamy ended women, not men
>>517603730I'm pretty sure women still have 1 a day before officially hitting the menopause.
>>517603730>some women have children in their 40sAnd they're exactly as retarded as you.
>>517584951so now he can blame his job or the job climate for not being able to afford him the earnings to secure the family making, but I doubt whatever Jewess demon that wrote this will consider that.
>>517586052Some of us never believe we’ll find their soul mate
>>517603356It doesn't seem to matter how educated they are. They are fucking delusional.I have a cousin who is 49 and a lawyer...she thinks she can still get pregnant and is frustrated that she can't and she just tried and failed with donated eggs.
Honestly yes, I sympathize because my ex did this to me. I wanted kids years ago and she kept punting until she finally trooned out.
>>517595342Where the fuck do you even meet women?
>>517586052Kek. Happened with my buddy and his exwife. She's fucked like 6 guys since and is still alone as fuck. He found a virgin who wants kids.
>>517592184>>517593412>>517592184Proceed with extreme caution. Most women hate the reverse dynamic and those who actually don't or even like it? They are...strange. Very strange. Never normal. Its like tangling with femdoms a LOT of normal relationship advice or experience will either not work or actively backfire on you due to the abnormality(best to assume its not gonna work and proceed with caution and stay alert). It also requires a significant adjustment of your own mindset and instincts once you wrap your head around it and get used to its not so bad at all.>>517604248That is what I was pointing out anon. Women outplayed themselves. Men are just... collateral damage in this case to be honest. You cannot save someone from themselves which is something a lot of men need to accept about women.
>>517605035Its funny because these 30 year old foids think they can just spend 20-30 fucking losers then try to speed run becoming a wife with kids in like a year.Getting a husband needs to be AT LEAST 2 years of dating.As a guy you need to be very cautious about who you choose to marry. The wrong decision can have disastrous results.If you have any woman who rejected you if you wanted kids with her in 20 and she comes and starts messaging you in her 30s, get rid of that bitch because you were never her first choice in the first place. Despite whatever lies she may tell you.
>>517584951Women are fucking insane.
I just dated this 32 yo, absolute knockout fit blonde. Desperate to have kids. She talked about going to a sperm bank and having a kid on her own.She was the absolute most toxic woman I've ever been with. Luckily that relationship only lasted 5 months and I saw the signs / have self respect and fucking RAN when the abuse / discard cycle kept happening.If she's over 30, absolutely beautiful, there's a reason they're single.
>>517584951Look, it's time to end this gender war bullshit. The solution is simple: ALL marriages are arranged at birth by parents. You don't get to choose your partner, no one does. Cheaters are executed via public immolation. Done.
yes. many men do this shit. if women trap men with a baby, women should be punished. if men trick women and waste their youth, men should be punished.population decline is going to be a bitch. we need more babies. and it's the only way to cancel out the need for immigration. and no one likes immigration. we need more kids, and harsher punishments for both genders for fucking up. how to implement legally? probably impossible. but socially making it taboo? might be possible.
>>517584951>"we demand control over our reproducive rights! We refuse to be treated as baby machines by men!">females exercise their reproductive freedom to not reproduce>"why didn't men turn me into a baby factory? I'm not responsible for being a childless cat lady who never bothered to settle down during my childbearing years!"you think you hate them but you don't hate them enough
>>517587367>Involuntarily Childless.I like this. start calling expired egg roastoids inchils
>>517586052Women are women (they are retarded)
>>517586052Why in the world would you shame girls who believe in their boyfriends and will stick it out with them when they have nothing going for them? We already have an issue where womens' standards are too high, let's not go after women don't have that issue. What you should be doing is shaming guys who waste years of a girl's life without marrying them.
>>517584951>1pbti >jew wasting timeBut who raised the (((age of consent)))? we should sue them all and sent them back to israel maybe...
>>517595164>Shitskins do it all the time and they turn out just fine.bruh every nonwhite that isn't an asian that comes into existence in this country is a net negative and a drain on our system, objectively. I don't have the graph but its like $725k loss per black and $240k loss per spic in financial terms. I don't even care about the money though I hate how they behave and how fucking STUPID they are.
I feel great for "wasting" three years of my ex's time. She started out great, then became a dumb stupid foid because of her BPD lol. But I literally elevated her out of homelessness and she doesn't want kids anyway so
>>517586166/Endthread
>>517584951>men think we are just breeding machines its disgusting!>im going to girlboss my 20s and 30s...>im 40 and every man i dated in my 20s and 30s literally stole my childbearing years PAY ME MONEY>OMG #metoo #metoo #metooAt what point is interacting with women at all in any capacity going to become a liability to all men?
>>517603955I think its technically 33 not 30 but ya hes right.
It is a terrible thing when men do this, but women desire men with power who are capable of this in the first place. Your average man knows the natural transition is dating for a while, then bf/gf, then marriage and kids. Except these women dont want average.
>>517609106Eggcels is better.
>>517584951Only if it's reciprocal.My wife resisted having kids until she was 39. Five years later, still no kid and she's pre-menopausal.I'm too old now to find a young woman to have my babies.
>>517584951I hate all women. Anything bad that happens to them is good.
>>517612196>>men think we are just breeding machines its disgusting!>>im going to girlboss my 20s and 30s>...>>im 40 and every man i dated in my 20s and 30s literally stole my childbearing years PAY ME MONEY>>OMG #metoo #metoo #metooFucking idiot incel. She's talking about being in a real relationship for years thinking that it will lead to marriage and kids, but the guy just moves on and leaves you in the dust. This has nothing to do with being a "girlboss" career woman. It can happen to any woman and it's a serious problem.
>>517614137>incelI live with my gf and will be proposing before end of year. But 99% of men are getting fucked over by women.
>>517614137>women have zero agency and can't leave a man who won't give her childrenunironically kill yourself if you think a woman like this should reproduce
>>517588909no one tells women to smile unless they are making a video for the internet
>>517584951No. Women should be held accountable for their terrible decision making.
as someone actually trad unlike most of /pol/ who are vengeful larpers, yes, men should be heavily shamed if they mislead women regarding something so vital to the future of country and race
>>517586052Hey thats me! I just wasted my entire 20's trying to make a relationship work and now I'm poorer than when I was 19. Will probably kill myself at the end of the month when I get evicted. >>517611297What sucks is that if we just had kids like year 2 or 3 it would've probably worked out. We've struggled through so much together its like we were in the trenches. Its not possible to remake such a bond.
>>517592184Knock her up, fuck it.
>>517599519>she has asked me if I’m cheating before and wants to know what I’m doing on my phonePFFAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA HOOOOOO SHITNot sure if bait, but gtfo. You're getting cucked.
>>517614137There are two issues: The first is that the means to support families aren't available to menThe second is that a lot of women are desperately attempting to punch far above their weight in the dating game and overestimate their value as partners and mothers to the point of being delusional about itThe third is that any decent girl I would consider is pulling some princess in a tower bullshit and despite being completely in love with me aren't willing to lift a damned finger to do anything about it except gaslight me and make my life materially worse so I'm less attractive to other bitchesIn my view, leftover women are lucky anyone deigned to fuck em in the first place
>>517588909You have no business policing people’s facial expressions, brownoid.
>>517593412>jeetFuckin hell, knock up anybody else.
>>517617738TrulyWhen I was a boy you could still hear the pejorative term "womanizer" in use
>>517618615She’s just sensitive to it because she was cheated on before
>>517584951LOL women always want free money for not doing shit
>>517616486We're better than woman and should live by honor. Stringing along a woman you have no intention of marrying when you know she desires it and wants kids is sub-human behavior. Be a man and act like one.
>>517584951Why buy the cow when you get the sex for free?
>>517599672The direction of causality is backwards
>>517619007>Stringing along a woman you have no intention of marrying when you know she desires it and wants kids is sub-human behavior. Be a man and act like one.you're no different than the fucking niggers and spics infesting this country if you think like that. if you're a man and you have a relationship with a woman and express that you don't want children and she thinks she can "change your mind" during the relationship, that's on her.women have agency and responsibility for their reproduction, they are the ones that actually ultimately choose whether or not a child comes into existence, they retain final veto, not the man.you're just a gynocentric fuckhead and the reason this country is in such dire straits. women have rights, let them fail and stop blaming men for their retardation
>>517586948>Always want to have a family>Women don't but you still want to be with one>Live for entirety of 20s with woman, fuck her all the time>She constantly says she would never have kids because ewwww>You eat that pain and just live with it because that's how the world is now>You two eventually break up for whatever fucking reason>Now she is trying to sue you for wasting her time, when she was the fucking one who continuously insisted kids were the worst thing that could ever happen to herIs this where they're going with it? Actually fucking INSANE
>>517616363>But 99% of men are getting fucked over by women.If you've been with a girl for 3 years or if you've gone as far as living with her and haven't killed each other in 6 months, you have zero excuse for not pulling the trigger already and proposing and marrying her. Yes, guys are getting fucked over by women, but that's a separate problem from guys who are wasting women's lives with leading them on in relationships they never were going to fully commit to. This wishwashy faggotry burns the rest of us because women have less incentive to be submissive and trusting of men because they'll look at their friends who go through this and get warned by them which will inevitably contaminate their trust in their relationship with you.This is yet another reason why fornication is destroying the relationship between men and women. And you can't simultanoeusly blame women and demand submissive women. You can only have one. If you want submissive women, you have to look out for their own wellbeing and cover for their weaknesses. And /pol/ should have taught you by now that women are never gonna figure this shit out.
>>517619697don't understand how retarded things can get anonas our interest rates stay high (and possibly go higher) you're going to see more and more of this kind of rent-seeking on the part of women. they're going to sue us for looking at them the wrong way because we caused them emotional distress.
>>517612449Why would you call them eggcels when they have no egg cells? That would be like calling a man an incel in a world of whores and prostitutes.
>>5175849511pbtidand men are responsible for how women behave this rabbi post got like 250 replies pol keeps falling for it ffs
>>517620153underestimate*fucking autocorrect>>517620074if you tell a woman you don't want kids and she stays with you that is HER FUCKING PROBLEM WHAT DON'T YOU RETARDS GET ABOUT THIS
>>517586052Because historically men either waited or had their parents bankroll their marriage (dowry), the modern era is some weird "everything from 14-29 is highschool and then you realize you're getting older and need to haul ass". In fact I still meet people in their 30s/early 40s who act like fucking highschoolers/laugh at bongs and shit.
>>517620292>if you tell a woman you don't want kids and she stays with you that is HER FUCKING PROBLEM WHAT DON'T YOU RETARDS GET ABOUT THISIf she stays with you it's because either she thinks she can change you AND/OR SHE LOVES YOU. And if you do this to her you should be kicked out of all your favorite and future favorite businesses. WOMEN ARE NOT YOUR EQUALS. WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT THIS
>>517606628>Its funny because these 30 year old foids think they can just spend 20-30 fucking losers then try to speed run becoming a wife with kids in like a year.I would argue if she's good at sex, wants to put out, wants to have kids, is fun to be around (hasn't 'roasted' out and become cynical), has a nice body/big tits, is aware she's not as hot as she used to be, and is some level of intellectually stimulating/her parents are rich then it's a good deal (I know a chick like this)
>>517620487no shit they aren't our equals, it doesn't mean they don't have FUCKING AGENCY THEY ARE NOT CHILDREN THEY ARE ADULTS THAT VOTE AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONSif you give them the additional privilege of financially ruining men that are honest about their intentions of not wanting children you are my enemy. I'm tired of you fucking retards handing women all of these privileges and then covering for them when they ultimately make poor choices.you need to be placed in a 55 gallon drum filled with hydrochloric acid while alive
>>517584951absolutelythere should also be penalties for parents that fucking suck
>>517584951This is why it needs to be legal to beat women.
>>517595270You can't 'shape up' in a broken economy where houses in the middle of Nowhere, Kansas cost like 400k. You better be a fucking boomer because if oyu're under 50 posting this stupid shit you need to be beaten with a hose.
>>517602020Why are you fucking a 15 yo you disgusting homo.
>>517595059I remember in 2019 when zoomzooms were saying women didn't want to fuck guys over 25 lmao>YOU HAVE THIN LIPSUnironically what he said. And now he's 29 years old, I wonder what he's thinking?
>>517584951I did this to a super hot big titted blue-eyed blonde from 19 to 25. She was so hot bros. But I literally couldn't stand her, I can't stand any woman and she was everything annoying about women distilled to its essence an amplified to 11. I finally couldn't take it anymore when she hit 25, it was probably a mutual thing. But she did get married right away to some schlub lawyer and had a couple of white kids with him, so no harm no foul.
>>517588685>Anything bad is always a woman's fault.Based
>>517620888>it doesn't mean they don't have FUCKING AGENCY THEY ARE NOT CHILDREN THEY ARE ADULTS THAT VOTE AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONSAnd you're using the definition of an adult that equates their decision making to men's. THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF IT.>if you give them the additional privilege of financially ruining men that are honest about their intentions of not wanting children you are my enemy. I'm tired of you fucking retards handing women all of these privileges and then covering for them when they ultimately make poor choices.That is a separate issue and an assumption I never implied. Once you see these women as unequal to men, then you know they cannot be trusted with certain responsibilities meaning they can't have them nor the freedom to assume them. Obviously the court system and child support are broken and lopsided in favor of women, but they're mutually exclusive problems to the fundamental problem here of women's lives being wasted by noncommittal men.
>>517621537>Obviously the court system and child support are broken and lopsided in favor of womenand the only output of your position is to give them MORE POWERFUCK YOU
>>517584951Marriage is a bad deal for men, plus I’d lose my welfare.We can have kids but instead of a wedding how about we throw a house party with the house we finance instead of blowing the money on bullshot
>>517584951It's part of live if you don't want kids sterilize yourself rather writing a cope article none owes you anything
The "career woman" problem has ruined a large percentage of women. They are strong independent women who focus on their career until their body is screaming at them to find someone and they finally come to their senses usually 30-35 years of age and start panicking trying to find the most reliable betabuxx provider they can find just to have kids.
>>517620402Historically:1. People met each other in communities. 2. It was viewed that relationships lead to sex.Today:1. There are no communities to speak of for everyone besides some Amish, Jewish, and Mormon communities. Everyone else has been pulled into isolation and into the drudgery of work and self-care.2. It is viewed that sex leads to relationships. This is the essential reversal of the sexual revolution.The fact is that this has affected the availability of men and women on the dating market, leading to people settling for worse matches, particularly on the relationship front when sexuality is prioritized and seen as prior to relationships.I also somewhat agree with your post, but I think you're leaving a lot on the table and not explaining why this is such a widespread phenomenon, across class and even across nation.
Women should not be pairing with men their own age. Most men below 25 just want to fuck as many women as possible.It has nothing to do with career women or women wanting to live it up. I've seen plenty of cases of faithful women who wasted years with a faggot who was only trying to have fun.
>>517584951>childbearing yearsWomen spend their actual prime childbearing years (16-25) fucking random niggers, getting a useless degree in how to be annoying, and advocating politically for everything that makes having a family impossible — open borders, feminism, state welfare, abortion, birth control, and so on. Women need to be institutionally disenfranchised in every conceivable way before we can even begin to talk about making things better.
>>517586052Also, the reason for the break up is not getting pregnant. Women have a natural mechanism that causes them to become extremely annoyed and agitated at their mate if he fails to get them pregnant so that she will move on to a new mate who can impregnate her. Forgot what it's called, but look it up.
>>517584951Funny how we went full circle and feminists want conservative values back. No sex without marriage? What is next? No women voting?
>>517624507>Instead of admitting feminism was a shitty fad that fucked everything up, women will simply adjust the definition of feminism to indicate normal behaviorKek if we ever do get rid of feminism, that's exactly how it will happen
>>517611297>rareyou are a complete fucking retard. We shouldn't be catering to women in any stance. They are a fucking disease and cancerous to men wanting to find actual relationship, relationships, and partners. The stupid Cunt mentioned in the article most likely had abortions and constantly said "I don't wanna have children yet." It's just another fake news article about another stupid whore reaping what she sowes.
>>517586052before the 20th century it used to be that both families would support the new family with their own homes either until they had the means to get their own or they passed awayit wasnt until the boomer era that this stopped happening because western world was so full of wealthits a relatively new concept that the world is still dealing with (compared to thousands of years sharing homes)with this in mind, id wager the world was better off back then with young adults getting off and taking responsibility of a kid at 20because it ensured that there even was a kidolder adults are too smart and see it as a significant liabilityit fucks our society and is what is causing FUCK LOADS OF OTHER PROBLEMS
>>517586052Agreed, it's wrong. Young men in their 20s should have easy access to career options that pay living wages to support families.
>>517584951no, but there should be social stigma for women who dont have children.
>>517584951I don't think lying is cool, so stringing people along is not nice.However as long as women are equal they should have no recourse.
>>517586166Having children is not expensive, you are not starving in the west.
>>517626623speak for yourself, the west is a big placeno way im spending $80 on a jar of baby formula and 600$ on a car seat
>>517626707Indeed, after all, that's 680 dollars you can spend on yourself!
I know so many 30 + year old girls, half of them dont want kids, the other half are crazy as shit, like REEEAAALLLY crazy but are still fun to be around as ONLY FRIENDS. (And maybe some online together masturbating or remote dildo stuff) But that's it.I know one Christian girl that is like 36, has 7 different mental illnesses, but completely believes in Christ our lord. I want to somehow make her my wife because I believe in Christ everyone can be healed. It's not their fault, woman are especially susceptibleto propaganda and social media brainrot/washing.May god guide them all home in his glory.
>>517626889>because I believe in Christ everyone can be healed.Well unless Christ can put eggs back in her ovaries it's probably not worth the wedding, Hans.
>>517584951>1pbtidshocking
>>517626889id like to see how fast her religious facade fades after the wedding day
>My ex stole my childbearing years.Actually, her parents did.
>>517603927Based.
How many abortions did she have
>>517587204The world would be a better place if the upper middle class were less faggots about making their kids go to college and more faggots about making sure their kids married well, everything would be a lot betterBillionaires have this mentalityNone of them were ever cucked by teen pregnancy roasties antidrug crap except for the plebs
>>517595059They sure do. You wouldn't believe the shit I've experienced lately. The stunts that they pull. Women are constantly flirting and if you're not seeing it in real life, you are not attractive and they are all hiding it from you to make it seem like sexless behavior in public is normal. All women have a unique way of flirting, a flirt language if you will, and it all hides in plain sight. I've seen girls flirt with me in front of their oblivious boyfriends.
>>517584951>I deserve alimony for not having kids
>>517604816community/junior college
>>517584951>spend time with him out of your own free will>...>he stole it!!!do foids relly
>>517631656Yes. And they're getting more anxious about it all as counterfeminist thinking is increasingly unable to be attributed to astroturfed faggots like tate and they have to acknowledge that social tides are turning.
>>517584951Maybe
>>517584951bruh
