>The great majority of near-death experiences (NDEs) reported publicly over the past four decades have been described as pleasant, even glorious. Almost unnoticed in the euphoria about them has been the sobering fact that not all NDEs are so affirming. Some are deeply disturbing.>We have documented three types of distressing NDE: inverse, void, and hellish.1 The brief descriptions below illustrate the types. All examples are from the authors’ files unless otherwise indicated.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6173534/
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Have had some crazy hellish experiences on psychedelics, particularly one on a high dose of mdma, speed, weed and alcohol where i had no concept of time, space or who i was, everything was repeating and everyone was sinster. Was convinced i had died and gone to hell. The panic i experienced could prob had set of a heartattack if i was unlucky but once i just let go and accepted my faith it was all good. Maybe the same thing happens when you die, if you resist death you will experience hell but when you let go you go to heaven
>>517612217I've had like 15-20 NDE's from my birth to suicide attempt to becoming terminally ill and experiencing organ failure over and over.The next life is pretty sweet.
>>517612217I read Greyson's book. It did not convince me that NDE's are anything except cognitive glitch that happens in about 15% of people who survive a near-fatal event. All the same, I'd like to have one, they sound pretty cool.
>>517613383I listened to it on audiobook. Intriguing if nothing else. He barely touches on the negative experiences though.
>>517612217It's not that surprising, people regularly do things like auto erotic asphyxiation and even get so addicted to doing it so often they sometimes accidentally kill themselves.That said, not all deaths are equal. There are some like drowning which are hellish because you have such a strong reaction to water in the lungs and not being able to breathe (that's why things like water boarding is a thing, drown you very slowly and gradually to provoke that reaction).I think some other deaths like cancer related, they give you so much opioids (via morphine) then it is like you're in a relaxing euphoric state and numb to pain while dying that it means you don't get a bad death.
>>517613853>imagery of him as a pig in a factory farm.loosh farm theory confirmed
>>517612217At one of the construction sites where I worked, we were digging a trench for an oil pipeline. I pulled the excavator over to go down to check the width and depth of the trench. I was standing there, looking at the data on my controller, when something made me look up and ahead. I saw a huge lump of frozen earth, about a meter high and half a meter wide, hurtling toward me from above. I barely managed to avoid it, turning sideways and holding my instrument behind me, and it missed me by about a foot. If I hadn't dodged it, that lump would have crushed every bone in my body.A short time later, the same excavator operator nearly crushed me with his bucket against the trench slope.I've never felt so alive.
>>517614227Did your life flash before your eyes?
>>517612217Sometimes God makes us nearly slip in the shower on purpose, just to remind us how easy it is to have it all taken away.
>>517612217I'd have terrible acid reflux panic attacks and sleep paralysis bouts over a decade ago while I was a neer. During these sleep paralysis bouts I could move my fingers, toes and scream but couldn't open my mouth because I was still in REM sleep. During these episodes I'd have the most vivid hallucinations/dreams ever, full auditory and visual. Id see creatures standing by my bed, black furry animal humanoids, a lizard/frog? man, short robed people in hoods. Before the episodes would start I'd hear a static hum in my ears, I eventually stopped being afraid and just went with it. These events also made me have weird deja Vu and I'd even think about things before they'd happen, like I imagined my elderly relative who I hadn't seen or though about in over a decade dying, then the next day I got word he died. Weirdest point in my life.
>>517614850*while I was a neet
Weirdly enough I came across some cool MSN picture slideshow type things (hard to explain, but you'll see if you check out any of the URLs) that share experiences of NDE's. I can't link to them all but here is the overview link from DuckDuckGo. It will link to a lot of the MSN stories...https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=msn+near+death&ia=webI really liked reading them and though most are good and positive experiences, some are not. So there are definitely 2 sides to this overall experience that some people get to go through.
>>517614850>sleep paralysisBro, just roll out of your body. Just close your eyes and transition into a lucid dream. I wish I could get easy sleep paralysis often. I have to take galantamine to do it.
>>517614850I had panic attacks for a while and they went away in an afternoon when I realized I could just let it happen and not engage my mind with my body’s responses. Just sit back in my inner man and let it all happen. When I did that the panic attack stopped shortly after and then the next one was half intensity and then stopped altogether. Pic related
>>517612217interesting read, thanks for sharing
>>517615343It was nothing like that. I was literally choking on acid while I slept and nearly suffocating, that's when these weird experiences happened. I forgot to mention, I had out of body experiences as well, like I was floating miles in the air above some kind of frozen peak. It felt like a long time ago.
>>517612217NDEs are proof that materialism is bunkum
>>517612911I am immune to some effects of psychedelics. Salvia has no effect, I am incredibly grounded on LSD and mushrooms, even high doses. I have high neuroticism so I would expect the opposite.I have some strange things going on with dreams too. I used to lucid dream every night but I can't anymore. I went for a sleep study and sleep phase 2 has no effect on my mental state.I wonder what it will be like if I get a massive dose of DMT when I die.
>Saints have reported extremely disturbing NDEs, while felons and suicide attempters have encountered bliss.
>>517612217Psychonaut here. I have had close to 6 NDE's from drug use, specifically heroic dose 4th plat DXM trips. Some good some bad. In all of those cases, my heart rate skyrocketed so high it should of exploded and I would pass out on the verge of death. All of them proved the same thing, choice matters, reincarnation is real, there are negative entities are feed off human suffering and death, but there are also good beings who help as well, materialism is a lie as we are just condensed light particles. Also went into a place I called the web of consciousness as it showed how every piece of reality is connected to each other; it looked very similar to dendrites and the brain. We are created in the image of the creator, and should strive to do good. Oh a funny one was one time I got forced out of my body on a high dose and went up into the heavens where I saw Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna sitting on clouds. They said we love you anon, but you should cool it with the drug use its getting dangerous. I was always a spiritual person, but now my faith in God is unshakable. I am alive today because of him and he determines my length of days.
>>517616408>All of them provedAll they proved is that psychedelics activate whatever mechanism in your brain is responsible for spiritualism. Unless if you have actual proof what happened is you experienced things that you now believe are profound and significant but have no more meaning to anyone else than your dreams. Which is fine, just don't go throwing around the word "proof".
>>517614850My God, you sound exactly like me. That started happening in my 20s but is very rare now. I used to get it all the time, especially during an afternoon nap. Have you had the OBEs yet? For me, everything is exactly as it was before I went to sleep, but the further I travel from my place of sleep, shit starts getting weird or very blurry. My OBEs were very short and knowing that, I tried to take advantage of whatever I could explore. Occasionally the OBE would turn into a lucid dream and get the powers of telekinesis and super high jumping power...I can't fly, just jump high and glide.Sorry man, went on a tangent there, I just never read anything on here so similar to what I experienced.The humming in the head is often accompanied by a feeling of electricity running throughout my body, in a pleasant way. Also, there are loud "explosion-like" noises during the humming, typically right before I fall into sleep paralysis.
>>517613853>he claims that he was show visions of the afterlife which involves a lot of "weird sex", though he wouldn't elaborate on what exactly that meansMade me kek out loud
>>517616242Sabbatean Frankists must have been onto something
I saw a very clear geometrical face. My vision has not been the same since. There is indeed an afterlife.
>>517616566You sound like a materialist atheist. You have to experience it, is what I tell people. How can someone know themselves without experience? I can't bring back the non physical to show you. I have had many non drug related OBE's as well, which can be attained via meditation. Theres lucid dreaming/sleep paralysis like other anons in this thread have mentioned. >>517617196As someone he knows people in these circles, I would not recommend what the frankists do. It is a spiritual death sentence.
>>517613138That sounds very unpleasant
>>517617450>You sound like a materialist atheist.No, I just care what words mean.>You have to experience it, is what I tell people. How can someone know themselves without experience? I can't bring back the non physical to show youWhat you're describing is subjective experience, not proof.
>>517612217>She argued with facts about her life and descriptions of Earth. “No,” they said, “none of that had ever been real; this is all there was.” She was left alone in space.2, pp. 1–5"ur actually an NPC and your life wasn't real" ouch
>>517617619Its a fair assessment to ask for proof, but I can provide none, only the experiences and what I gathered from it. Then I compare it to what others have experienced or what monks/priests/sages have said for ages past. I believe each thing I listed 100%. Let's just see whose right when we die as I say.
>>517613383>cognitive glitch15% of people are pneumatics.
>>517618002If you study Kaballah, this is actually a thing just like Gnosticism. Souls that emanate from lower places that are basically npcs that higher beings learn from by watching their mistakes. Most humans IMO have a soul just above that of an animal.
>>517612911Ketamine and DMT (and at same time) have induced this for me.
A friend of mine overdosed on heroin. He had no heartbeat and was blue. The paramedics were able to revive him. When he came back, he told us that while he was out he was living another life. He was coming home from work to his wife, and she had 2 kids from another marriage. They lived in an old house in a strange city he had never been in. He had complete memory of this entire life and how he came to have it. It really bothered him because he felt that it was real and not a dream. The story he told was really detailed and he was disturbed by it but we figured it was just a dream. Ten years later, every single thing he told us that night came to pass. He went to a rehab in another state, met a girl that had two kids, and the NDE became his real life. My friends and I have never spoken to him about it so we don't know if he even realizes it. But that incident made me believe that our reality is extremely thin, and sometimes you can fall through it.
>>517614850Sleep.paralysis fascinates me, along with all other cross-cultural studies. We call this "old hag", due to the Irish settling where I'm from. Succubus in other cultures. My own personal experience has been shadowy figures but I quickly manage to get back into sleep, but without fail it is livid nightmares/night terrors on those occasions.
>>517618296It's been a while since I read it, but I recall that your spiritual beliefs don't make you any more or less likely to have one. Even hardcore materialist atheists can have them.
>>517618528That's what deja vu is although most people don't realize it. It's reliving a dream. That's why suddenly everything seems familiar or like you're watching a movie for a second time, or rerun on TV. I know this because once I dreamed this weird dream where my youth director had taken us out of church, across the street in an empty field in the dark, and we were playing kickball. Which isn't what we did on Wed. night. I remembered the dream. It was vivid. A week later, my youth director pulls out a ball and suggests we go across the street in the empty field to play kickball. So we did. As it went on, I had an hour long case of constant deja vu. Except I remembered having dreamed it too. Everything everyone said to me that night, all interaction, everything gave me constant deja vu. After that I knew what deja vu was. We forget most of our dreams. But when you have deja vu, that's your brain, suddenly remembering something you had dreamed, probably fairly recently.
>>517618528That's fucked up.
>>517614090I've always heard drowning it's euphoric
Had a dream once where I was sinking into the ground in a dark forest alone, I could feel the churning of the earth around me, no one was there to help me.Dream clipped to me in a pinkish red room with a sort of valve in the wall turning by itself violently, I reached out and grabbed it and I could feel it like a poltergeist in my hand moving back and forth on its own.That scared the shit out of me so badly that my leg was shaking trying to wake me up.Hell exists, and there is for sure something out there that we cannot explain.
>>517612217never had a NDE but experienced a sensation of floating above my body, being out of it (no drugs involved, accidental meditative experience if you want to call it that.) Felt everlasting, serene, at one with all and everything. Felt the words I AM repeating. I believe in god and reincarnation since
>>517619698Spoopy
>>517618384>Most humans IMO have a soul just above that of an animal.That thought makes me sad and frightened. You don't get to pick your soul, you just have to make do with what you're given. How terrible would it be to die and get bullied by angels for being a soullet NPC? I can't imagine a worse fate.
I hope the afterlife is like a lucid dream.
>>517619913>You don't get to pick your soul, you just have to make do with what you're givenBut that's just kind of the same with physical bodies right? Not that many 'created beings' with ideal stats, most just kinda grow out of 'the land' and have all these irregularities and imperfections. I'm a big believer in the lower coarse reality being a representation of what's going on up there which would explain why there'd be lots of disembodied troublemakers and fence-sitters.>>517621307I imagine lucid dreams are like a beta test, demo or shareware of what the beyond is gonna be like. I once had dream where I descended some stairs that led to a bar where the barkeeps were like NPCs just idling there waiting for an interaction. It was a bit uncanny, then as I got close enough they sprung to life but seemed kind of limited in scope, I ordered a drink and sat down with someone else that felt a lot more fleshed out, like she was another traveler.
>>517616056It's kind of a cool flex to be immune to illusory substances
>>517616242It's a trap by the devil. Trust in Christ.
>>517616056Salvia is weird, some brands are mind melting and some feel like shitty weed. Try a different brand, I went to a different world on more than a few occasions
When you leave your body people will say "I looked down at my body" There is no up or down, you don't have eyes so you see like a 360 camera, you don't have a head to turn or eyes to look around.
>>517613383>I read Greyson's book.Did you? I did too, and many others. I don't see how someone can look at the evidence and conclude "just a cognitive glitch". What does that even mean, a glitch? If I dropped my computer and it suddenly was producing coherent, detailed works of art in MSpaint suddenly, would it be reasonable to say that my computer was simply glitching out?
>>517613138https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/suicide-and-reincarnation
>>517614850I had the same thing happen to me too, mostly in my 20's. As I got older, they happened less. I wish I could fucking draw, the things I've seen at the end of my bed are absolutely nightmare fuel. I had this huge fear that if I opened my eyes during the experience, that they would be able to hurt me since they would know I can see them, almost as if the idea of seeing them, would make them real. Eventually I gathered the courage to open my eyes, to see what they looked like, and they always looked horrifying, but I still never let them see me. I would only watch them as they weren't facing me, as soon as they turned towards me, I would close my eyes, then very slowly open them, barely, to see if they were still facing my direction.The disturbing thing for me though is that...it wasn't sleep paralysis. I could still move just fine. One time I was having one, and there were all these tiny little things flying around, like JuneBugs (self lit), but way smaller. I took a few breaths in preparation, and then went upright in my bed, reaching out for one. As I grabbed it, I opened up my hand, and nothing was there, even though I know I got it. All the other bugs started fading over the next 5 seconds, until they were all gone. Very weird. I kind of miss them, I haven't had an experience in a few years now.
I overdosed on fentanyl and was 'dead' for a few minutes. I didn't see or experience anything, or if I did there was/is zero recall. Maybe the drugs suppressed it.
>>517622448Yes I did. He was quite open about the fact that no one has ever produced any evidence for the occurrence of NDE's other than anecdotes, even in spite of repeated efforts (e.g. placing items in above patients in emergency rooms to see if people who have OBE's can identify them; none did). If you want to use the computer analogy, it would be like you dropped it and though it still turns on, the GPU's output is fucked up.
>>517621307I hope we get some answers to the mystery. I want to know what this all was about.
>>517621945My friends were in different worlds, I had basically no effect. I also know how to inhale.It must not be just a fluke, I've had many times now when my friends are just losing their mind and I'm completely calm. I can tell it's working, I just stay grounded.
>>517613138We are going to need some greentext to expand on this statement, planar traveler anon.
>>517617619the tao that can be spoken of is not the eternal tao
>>517612217>hellishSome people are granted a very last moment salvation.Don't wait that long.
>>517612217These demons are who really control the world, they want you to think it's Jews.
>>517618528People who take Salvia recount similar experiences. Under Salvia, you lose any sense of time. People report living entirely different lives on Salvia. It really puts into perspective the idea of the Ātman. That consciousness is fundamental to existence and experience really is arbitrary. Two entirely different lives and yet the single shared factor is consciousness. It's like how one metaphorical pond of water can have endless different wave patterns on its surface. The waves constantly shift and yet the water is constant, experiencing every possible different permutation. Enlightenment is realizing that's the core of what existence is. Everything else is arbitrary fluff.
>>517612217I had the void type when I got electrocuted by high voltage. I don't even know how long my hand was in the circuit but seemed like a split second, while the experience was extreme and felt like time halted while it happened. I just know it felt like my body instantly went to sleep and slumped over but that's also what saved my life since my hand fell out of the circuit. Then I just remember darkness and feeling a huge weight pulling me down with extremely high Gs but also pulled like a huge ocean wave shot me down into the sea. It was into the darkness and disoriented me and then I told myself to pull my hand away. and that's when I snapped out of it and saw my hand fall from the circuit.
Got hit by a car when I was 11, head hit the ground and split open. Next thing I knew I was about 15 feet in the air looking down at my body and saw my friend freaking out and the driver getting out of the car breaking out too, then my mom and step-dad running down the alley, also freaking out. They were all screaming and crying but I couldn't really hear anything, just kind of a muffled sound in my ears. Then I was suddenly on the ground again looking at thame exact scenario I'd seen from above. It was pretty neat. Then I got to look at my own brain in the hospital, thay was pretty surreal.
Hell is Bardo, it's a transitory state in the afterlife where we atone for our transgressions. I had a vision of the afterlife as a child.
I had an electric shock so severe that it put me out for several days and left permanent damageMade me look at mortality in a whole different light, made me question my whole reality, and effectively red pilled me
>>517612217I almost died twice. Both times I met with god and was shown some cool stuff like what exists between realities and holds it all together. I gained a lot of understanding that makes existence much more bearable. It was great. I thank god and am grateful every day. Wouldn't want to do it again though. Both times I lost a little something because nothing is free.
>>517616566You should give me some proof you've ever had a dream, anon. If you can't do it, we're all justbgoing to assume you're just an NPC without any visualization ability.
>>517612217Westworld is a shit show
>>517625098I did not say that, I said I don't LUCID dream anymore, and I said that sleep phase 2 has no effect on my mental. That's the phase where you should be nodding off but I was hyper-alert and my heart rate was elevated. There's something weird going on there but they weren't curious to study me any more.Remembering my dreams is exceedingly rare for me but I do have them.
>>517625098Oh, I didn't see what post you were quoting. I have another chain of replies in this thread relating to dreaming. Not sure if what you posted was partially in response to that but I also misread what you said.Yes, dreams are rare for me, but you need to understand that all I took exception to was that anon's liberal use of the word "proof". I'm not against spiritualism. You need to kill your black and white thinking - I'm not against that anon and everything they stand for and incapable of experiencing it for myself just because I take exception with one thing.
>>517625251Yeah, but whether you remember them or not, you're lying if you can't present proof of them. (See how much of an annoying non-sequitor that is?)The point, anon, is that when you demand proof of something immaterial, you're asking for the impossible. Proof of a dream, proof of truth, proof of the metaphysical can't be produced, but it doesn't mean those things don't exist and can be discredited.Hope this helps.
>>517612217Great Uncle had a heart attack at age 45 and died briefly. Said he was in the fires of hell and it was awful. Rarely ever talked about it. That's all I know about it as it was 20 years before I was born. When he died we found a VHS of tranny porn.
i used to get sleep paralysis all the time as a child, but it scared me and one day i blunty told myself 'stop' and that was the end of itnow that i know it's a free ticket to lucid dreaming i keep trying to induce them but nothing happensi get the radio waves and body shakes that would lead up to it occasionally, but that's about it
>>517616628Yep, I had those explosive moments as well. My episodes started in 2014 and ended in mid 2016, I was in my early 20s as well.
>>517625548Oh, I see what you're saying now. I misread you twice. Sorry, the other stuff about dreams threw me off.I never said he was lying. I took objection to how he used the word "proof". You're right, it would be impossible to provide proof in this case of whatever he believes was shown to him. That's why I took exception to his use of that word.
>>517625548Yeah, but you wouldn't say it's "real". I creampied Sydney Sweeney in my dream last night, but that doesn't mean she's having my baby in 9 months.No one ever suggested that ND experiencers are lying, just that they mean nothing outside of your subjective interpretation.
>>517614227>the data on my controllerSurveyor?
>>517625147Season 1 was fire
>>517612217>pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Fundamentally we are consciousness that creates its own experience. Bad NDE’s like bad trips occur because of shitty beliefs systems. If you believe in hell and then you will experience it. In whatever dimension you find yourselves anons remember you can call out and surrounder to Christ and he will instantaneously save you from whatever hellish nightmare you find yourself in. We are all practically dead right now, it’s just we are larping as physical humans in this dimension where time and space exists. When you die you just drop the physical body that you mentally created anyway, and thoughts manifest instantly
>>517612217The euphoria is the tractor beam that attracts ISBEs after death to the now famous tunnel of white light, in which beings present you with a life review and guilt-trip you into reincarnating for some lame reason. This is a prison for souls. Government knows. And profits from it through deals with the beings who harvest us and our containers/meat suits.
>>517626126That’s funny because those of us in US and CAN with any sort of academic background recognize that url as harmless as can be.
>>517616628I get sleep paralysis every few weeks but never any hallucinations. The first few times were terrifying because I thought I'd had a stroke or something but now it's become a mundane annoyance to me. I can move my lips and fingers a little bit so I focus on doing that as hard as I can and it breaks the spell after a minute or two.
Fedora kikes just can't stop lying even if they got a view of the afterlife. Repent and follow Jesus.
>>517614850Sleep paralysis is one of those things you think are absolute fucking bullshit until you get it, kek.I only got it once though when I was taking a nap during the day, so it wasn't that scary.
>>517622962Describe what they looked like. I’ll enter your description into an ai and see how accurate the result is.
>>517612217these all sucked, surely someone must have had a good experience
>>517612217>MIGA is reduced to making fucking /x/ tier threads
>>517612217I met a man ordained in a Buddhist tradition who said that there are far less negative NDEs on record than positive because the entities in those hellish/negative realms are less likely to let you come back to the human realm where you would report your story. Spooky.
>>517627373/x/ tier threads outside of /x/ are kino, faggot.
>>517616056I'm bipolar and when I'm going through a manic phase drugs have no effect on me whatsoever. It's one of the ways I can tell that I'm losing my shit and need to pop lithium
>>517624412It just doesn't seem convincing to me. I agree that we're all sinners and can't be redeemed. But I don't see proof of Christianity and Jesus, I can't ask forgiveness to something that I don't believe in.
>>517617450>I would not recommend what the frankists doWhat do they do, anon?
>>517629077Have you read the gospels? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2031&version=NASB1995
brilliant thread, a nice break from the usual garbage on this board
>>517626135>t. has read neither the article in the OP nor anything else about NDEs, ever.One of the most confounding things about them is that they often do NOT match with the preexisting beliefs of the person experiencing them at all. I tend to agree with you that an "afterlife" may be some kind of echo of one's thoughts in life, but I don't really think NDE reports support that conclusion.
Was in a coma for 3 days from OD suicide attempt; didn't see anything, no dreams, just total void.
During a near death experience a man realizes that he's being deceived by beings to try and go into the light and then he hears a voice far away that whispered, "he's figuring it out". The beings then try to convince the man to reincarnate with promises of moving him to a better planet (Communcation in the astral realm is telepathic and you can understand others even if they don't speak english)https://rumble.com/v3ou3jp-he-figured-it-out-during-an-nde-he-resisted-the-false-light-and-was-sent-to.htmlThe story of a boy who remembered a past life as an American fighter pilot that died in WW2https://youtu.be/VnXxC-nVsJYA presentation from the University of Virginia on life after death, reincarnation, NDE's, and past life memorieshttps://youtu.be/gN_VI-wobsc https://youtu.be/0AtTM9hgCDwExperiences of an astral projector and how to navigate the astral plane and escape from negative entities, talks about what to do after dyinghttps://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/Journal-of-an-Astral-Traveler-How-to-Navigate-the-Astral-Plane.htmlSome good reading material on the reincarnation traphttps://bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy601.htmhttps://web.archive.org/web/20200702092202/http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/ET/afterlifequestioned.html
>>517630721Here's some data from psychic remote viewers that points to humans being harvested for their energy and being kept from leaving earth after they die. The energy is used to create pockets of reality where time doesn't exist, which allows beings that live in these pockets to become like gods that don't dieThe target for this was "moksha" which is liberation from the reincarnation cycle (Keep in mind none of the remote viewers are told anything about what they're viewing, all they are given is a randomly generated number that has been assigned to the target to allow them to view it without knowing what it is, yet they are still somehow able to describe aspects of the target despite having no foreknowledge of it):https://odysee.com/@SergeantSchultz:2/Samsara-and-Rebirth:b
>>517630795Here's what Edward Riordan remote viewed about the vax clots 2+ years before covid happened for those doubting the legitimacy of remote viewinghttps://youtu.be/E930RNiCUOMThis is what he got in the remote viewing data:>strong sensation of the thing hes viewing being manmade>virus>flowing through blood>growing and expanding>inside>DNA>gives off some sort of signal, communicates somehow, wifi>cracking, busting open>feeling of fear, concern, doesn't feel good>transformation>sun/solar was something he felt a lot, mentioned solar explosion (solar flare or CME?)>sea life/aquatic>combined technology with plant cells/matter>study of algae blooms>has an effect on the human body>received signal has an effect on the bodyThe remote viewing findings of the clots interacting with wifi signals lines up with the findings in the video below where it was discovered that people who have been vaccinated give off bluetooth signals. The people running the tests went to a graveyard with no one else in it, and they picked up on multiple bluetooth signals which lead them to graves of people who died after 2020. So for people saying that these clots already existed prior to 2017 and the viewer made up his findings based off of that, you're incorrect as the clots you speak of didn't give off bluetooth/wifi signals like the remote viewer percievedhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/g5VMGP6j60Rd/
>>517630795Heres some evidence of people being able to teleport using their thoughts after they die, something that can also be done while astral projecting. This may be how to escape after death by thinking something like, "I want to teleport to a safe civilization" or "I want to teleport back to where I originally came from"If that doesn't work you could try to manifest a portal that will take you to where you want to go when you enter it>Stevenson finds two types of cases where selection seems determined by geographical proximity: people reborn far from where they had lived, but close to where they died; and people reborn after one parent, usually the mother, came close to where the previous incarnation died.>In the first category falls cases of Japanese soldiers who died in Myanmar during Japan’s World War II occupation of that country, then were reborn there. As reborn children, they tended to speak an incomprehensible language prior to learning their mother tongue, to prefer Japanese-style food over Myanmarese, to be afflicted by the heat, to yearn for all things Japanese, and even to look more Japanese than other Myanmarese children. In at least one case, a pair of brothers serving as Japanese soldiers were killed together and attempted to return home:>They thought that they had been killed by the explosion of their own grenades. When this happened, they thought of their aged mother in Japan and even called for her help as they were dying. They then – after dying – found themselves instantly in Japan, where they saw their mother. They could not, however, communicate with her, and she did not see them. They felt sad and frustrated. They did not remember what happened to them after that until, at the age of about 3, they began to remember the previous lives ‘as if they were awakened from a dream."https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/choice-reincarnation#Geographical_Proximity
>>517614850Basically how nightmares work. When I was a kid I had nightmares all the time. The trick is realizing you're asleep so you can do whatever you want, make the evil monsters start dancing or whatever or kill them
>>517631049So are they trying to exterminate the white race because they don't want our specific souls reincarnating for some reason?
>>517623060This is what always worries me about NDE stories when contrasted with stories like yours. Did the NDE people not "die" enough to experience total nothingness, or did people with experiences like yours not "die" enough to have a breakthrough NDE. I really hope the NDE people are the real ones. Besides eternal damnation, eternal oblivion is the most terrifying concept to me
I am adherent of Robert Monroe's work. I have been to the institute, I have OOBE'd multiple times and I am a strong remote viewer. Regarding "Loosh"I believe Robert was suffering dementia due to his long time overweight and chain smoking when he wrote the third book. He also says in the book that he had a magical pair of pants that always had money in it when he checked.Ignore the Loosh bullshit and let him teach you how to leave your body through gateway experience. You are focusing on negative nothing instead of the meat.
>>517631515>Besides eternal damnation, eternal oblivion is the most terrifying concept to meWhy? If that's how it is then 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of all eternity was spent with you in oblivion. You weren't sad before
>>517631621Yeah, but I'm alive and conscious now, and the idea that every memory and experience will be lost forever to absolute nothingness is terrifying.
>>517612217Here's how it works. If you're a good person, you go to a good place. If you're a bad person you go to a bad place. Both are temporary, so it's not that big of a deal, but you do stay there until you've learned your lesson. When you're done with that you move on, but I'm not completely sure what happens then.
>>517616056Same, it takes absurd amounts of weed for me to experience anything, and even then I can fight it off with pure willpower.Mushrooms also dont do shit >>517618865I had these younger but havent had one since I told it to fuck off.
>>517631872Well if it makes you feel any better I have also had NDE OOBE twice by different methods involving dissociative drugs. Both times I was certain that I was still I despite experiencing a different time and place. Not that I had my memories just that I knew I was experiencing myself.
>>517631905There's no bad place, punishment after behavior has passed doesn't teach anything or result in changes. The concept is invalid and is based on your human misunderstanding of reality.
>>517632041Astral travel through drugs is a bit flawed. You can absolutely learn things from it, but you can't take it completely at face value.>>517632106You are wrong. And it's not punishment, people create these spaces themselves in the intermediary place.
i once slept, involuntarily, for over 24 hoursi physically felt like i had died when i woke up, and dreamt of an entire new life that went on for the span of years during the sleepnever happened again, and still don't know what the FUCK that was
>>517632146Incorrect, nitrous disconnects your consciousness from your body. I don't think you have much experience with this You're just referring to the confusion from Buddhism which I don't think anything like that exists either. Straight from one to the other. You can tell me when you have been like me, lol. Most people in threads like this are fuck around liars. I am not. I am a strong viewer and such.
>>517632205I do this regularly at night.Entire lives in a short span.Idk what it means. You're probably the only other person I have heard of doing it.Of course, we are here.
>>517632317This is the type of guy I am talking about, just saying shit to sound cool Don't lie friend just do gateway experience with headphones
>>517624492fuck off djinn worshipping yid
>>517632205I believe we live other lives simultaneously. I have recurring characters, places, in my dreams, with a history behind them.
>>517632289Again, you are wrong. Here is my advice for you. Now that you know there is a second world, learn to access it without drugs. You will be more strongly present, and have much more control, so then you can use deduction and logic properly to separate what is real and what is illusion in that world. Most reasonable entities on the astral plane generally avoid people who access through drugs, in the same way that people here do, because drugged people aren't really properly in control of themselves.
>>517632041I do enjoy hearing stories like these. They're my copium/hopium of dualism being correct. That somehow consciousness can detach from the physical brain and continue existence in some way we can't yet observe with modern science
>>517632377lol sure
>>517632432I have the same thing happen in my dreams. They're not exact, but they always seem very familiar
>>517632451Dude let me be honest with youWe don't take northern Europeans seriouslyThe authority on this stuff was a white British derived American man like me People from your fake country in particular have an unearned attitude problem because of your oil money and I really couldn't give a fuck less about you telling me I'm wrong about anything
>>517632759You are of course free to enjoy your illusions. Be warned, this is a dangerous path. It's better for you to not access the astral at all, with your level of self-importance and hubris.
>>517613853>he also said he was shown that the universe repeats over and over in a recursive process of self-improvement of some kindYes, it's called the octave.
>>517632649Consciousness isn't attached to the physical brain. The physical brain receives consciousness, which already exists separately. Imagine a grid of differently shaped holes with differently shaped pieces tumbling over them. I think sometimes the pieces don't fit as well as other times. Explaining many thingsI also think some humans have a hold but no piece in it. Too restrictive or small or shaped wrong.
>>517632837No, no, he's right. Scandis have this hyperinflated sense of self-worth and their own education. Being marginally better than most of the developed world still means most of your citizens are average on the bell curve of intelligence.
>>517632870Exactly. It's like looking at a radio antenna and believing the signal comes from within it, just because the radio doesn't work without it.
>>517632837I am hubristic because I am tired of so many people telling me I'm wrong about things when I'm not. Almost nobody on earth can claim my record. I predicted Charlie Kirk getting assassinated to multiple people in my lifeI also didn't say I accessed the astral through drugs I said I had NDE through drugs. You likely can never physically disconnect your consciousness enough to experience NDE through normal astral travel. Your hole is not shaped to allow it
>>517633085In reality Scandinavians are just normal people. Some smart, some less smart, some prideful, some humble. Just like any other country.
>>517633199What you need to figure out is where this need to brag comes from. Do you not see that it's a flaw of character? Flaws of character compound in the astral, due to it's more abstracted nature.
>>517633309Figure out where the need to tell me I'm wrong came from first. Glass house liverYou display your immaturity right there. Trust me you can never beat me in any argument
>>517612217yes, had a few and each time you don't give a shit about anything you are leaving behind. problem is few weeks after you go into your old ways and start to be anal about everything again. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO MY STICKERS COLLECTION?!?!?
>>517633362The need comes from you being on a flawed path, and me wanting to help you.
>>517633404>Nords aren't hubristic, we just always know better than youYou're 23 and I'm 45. You haven't touched pussy. You can't help me figure anything out. Ask questions instead.
>>517633471I can if you want to.
>>517612217So child rapists go to paradise when they die. That would be funny
>>517633589That would be a strange and nonsensical arrangement of things.
>>517633589Nah, they get reincarnated worse if they understood what they were doing.
Anyways if you're super scared of death I suggest a professional ketamine clinic. Go to one where the doctor has a nurse that assists during the process only. It's sketch if they're alone On a medical amount of ketamine, your brain will physically reboot. During about 20 minutes of this time, whatever connection your second body has to your first body becomes loosenedHere's the really fun part, I think we might be other people at the same time basically
>>517630721The Pam Reynold's case was pretty interesting too. Happened during an operation on her brain where they lowered her body temp and drained blood out of her body, clinically killing her. After they revived her she had memories of what occurred during the operation that she shouldn't have, at least biologically.> notices odd socks on staff> remembers the equipment used to cut into skull> remembers freaking out about blood loss> remembers music playing in ORAll verified afterwards.That James Leininger one was super interesting too, a similarish one is one from a German pilot Carl Edon who reincarnated in Britain.
you are the fashioner of your very own heavens and hellshow's the state you're sitting in right now treating you?were you under the impression this isn't in play at all times?
>>517634068In 1593 a soldier appeared in Mexico city. He was wearing his gear so he was stopped and arrested. He said the last thing he remembered was being in the Philippines and told the authorities that the governor of the Philippines had just been assassinated. That news would only reach Mexico by boat months later.
>>517634169Yes, you are right. This mechanism does apply in this world as well as in the next one, although here it has much more inertia due to the composition of the world, and more subtle to observe.
>>517612217Where’s the story about Michael Jackson being forced to dance for demons amusement in hell. That’s a great one.
>>517629077The Kingdom of God is within you.
>>517634847understatement of the fucking epoch mangyou -are- God, or at least a frolicking little facet of herlife is forever(she has a giant penis)supradimensional ouroboric experiential autorapistone (1) kinky bitchneedlepoint talons, a shark's grin, and a tiger's coatwith love enough to make the cosmos spin <3
>>517633199Calling Kirk’s death isn’t that impressive really. He was a prime target, mainstream enough to use as kindling for the flame but no one truly important to the game.
>>517615304Sleep on your back, that helps to induce sp
>>517613383>cognitive glitch that happens in about 15% of people who survive a near-fatal event.Doesn't make any evolutionary sense though.Also, I think the term 'NDE' is technically wrong. It's not a 'near' death experience in some cases, it is, as far as we can tell, an actual 'death' experience. The only thing separating it from other dead people is that these people have come back to life.The reason I point this out is because skeptics often argue that it's only a 'near' death experience but that's not what the medical professionals actually say. In many cases we're talking about people who were pronounced dead. They were dead, no two ways about it. Same way a lightbulb is turned off until you turn the power back on.>>517631515There seems to be a lot of variation but some common themes happen for some people.One thing that worries me is the NDEs where people talk about how much they wished they could leave their body but they get told its not their time. Sometimes 'contractual obligations' of sorts get mentioned, or mysterious third parties chime in with their 2c. All of that worries me. And why do so many people seem to want to leave the living world but begrudgingly get told to go back? Like they don't have a choice.Same with seeing ancestors or whatever else. Why are we meant to believe these things we're seeing are legitimate and not faked somehow?
>>517635184Lol. You don't understand statistics>>517635263Yes it does. Brain is searching for a way to survive death. People get "told to go back" by their subconscious. People who experience this type of influence in NDE are typically lower IQ and/or have personality problems. See: famous hell NDE by fag whose dad hated him
>>517612911bro stfu no you didnt. I've literally done a fucking gram of MDMA in a night and speed and alcohol and weed and first off. You dont feel weed when you are rolling. Second. If you are drunk and rolling the only difference is shit is far more blurry than just rolling. Your visuals behind the eyes are also dulled by the alcohol. Sounds like you have some mental issues and it wasnt drugs or a near death experience
>>517635402>Brain is searching for a way to survive death.You're assuming it's the 'brain' doing this stuff. Unless the brain is somehow invisible and floating in another room down the hall then that theory is wrong.
>>517635402Also the other anon is right, calling Charlie Kirk being assassinated isn't especially impressive unless you actually pinned down some specifics like the date, info about how it happened and so forth, maybe you did. If so you should share with the class because that would be interesting.
>>517635512Very few events involve "verification" of things that happened to the deceased irl, most of these are lies.>>517635601Sorry but that perspective pegs you as low iq and analytically incapable. Not that your flag didn't already. To be clear many of you black eyed beings do not possess consciousness
>>517635662>do not possess consciousnessconsciousness is the only thing that existsthere is no material universepeer into any apparently solid matter extensively enough and all you will find is empty space
>>517612217Wouldn't it be funny if after you die you go to an eternal void where there's absolutely nothing, just you alone for eternity :D bretty funny and the best part is it's completely unavoidable
>>517635662>most of these are lies.Impossible for you to know or get accurate statistics on.>Sorry but that perspective pegs you as low iq and analytically incapable. Not that your flag didn't already.Ad hominem, read the sticky nubcake.You're the retard acting like a wise old sage because you predicted some widely disliked guy getting merked (supposedly).
>>517635795>You can't know things intuitively, analytically and inductively, you need a peer reviewed studyWe are done here brown frown. Awwe the rules. Nobody comes here to talk to brown fucking shark eyes dalit like you.
>>517616056You were too based so they banned you. Congrats, you are basically like the guy who takes DMT to pull a holy fire sword out of his asshole and cuts every single thing down in front of him.
This was a couple of years ago. I drive truck.This was the nearest death experience I've had so far. I had been up all night driving in winter in the Midwest when the wind caught a piece of particle board out of a dump truck and almost cut my head off.It was just as rush hour traffic started picking up, I was in the interstate. I had to squint through the glass dust caked on my face and find a part of the windshield I could see out of so I could pull the truck across 2 lanes of traffic and on to the shoulder without killing everyone around me. I succeeded. My student was in the bunk sleeping and thought I was dead. Didn't sink in what had happened until about 24 hours later.
There is a cognitive realm. You can get there through OBEs or NDEs. Your thoughts affect the reality of that place. If you are a creature of fear or lust then you manifest that and it becomes a self feeding loop. That is the thruth of trying to free yourself from sin. You are training your mind to not succumb to those thoughts so when you die you don't manifest the creatures the 7 deadly sins create. If you are lustful then you will be taken violently. If you are gluttonous you will be eaten. Everyone sins, but you must learn to not make those things your focus because attention is what drives reality. Use the water of god's word to guide you and the fire to burn away the evil thoughts.
I've had near death experiences and sometimes when I think about them I scream internally about how stupid I was and how life could've been over just like that, but I do acknowledge that's apart of life and now that I've experienced such things and lived to tell the tale that I'm stronger for it. I won't ever make those same mistakes twice.
>>517635972>My studentYou guys get your own students like pederasts in the past? Was he a cute skinny 20 years old boy? Can you get lucky and get a female student?
>>517636023You're Amerimutt, dude. Literally go buy any street drugs, literally all of them have a lethal dose of fent/carfent in them kek
>>517636056Most of my students were older than me. Never taught females. I stopped training because most of them are retarded or serial killer level psychotic
>>517636124Eh? Why the fuck would I take some fat, old faggot in my sleeping bed? Hope they paid well at least.
>>517636013there is no sin, no wrong, and no evileverything is complete and whole and perfect right now and forever.the universe exists in an indelible state of appropriateness, justice, and inherent wholesomenessdeath is no objecteveryone goes along at their own pace, in perpetuitythe most vicious and vile conduct you can fathom has its rightful place in the grand procession at hand in the shaping of beneficence it helps induce through simple function of inverse mirroringand lo' the 'dead' are grateful for having died i assure you of this and one day you shall be too except not really as there's no other place to go than existence as such <3every last one of your stubbornly held beliefs and notions amounts to a ball and chain around your ankle binding you to arrogant and concluded conceitintellect is wholly centric about the extent to which one knows that they know -nothing- at allthe single inevitable thing that awaits all beings is enlightenment and it takes shape through the obliteration of false context and nothing else
>>517636321lol have fun getting mogged in the cognitive realm. the smugness oozes from your post. Im sure you will attract all kinds of smug entities you can smell each others asshole for eternity
>Romanian person does>Gets reincarnated>They also boost and sell RuneScape accounts for a living in that life
>>517636430lions do not moderate their naturally outpouring roars on anything's behalf ;3
>>517612911that was eiriel. don't go to eiriel.
517635857Severe NPD tends to stick out like a sore thumb in threads like this.>>517635746Makes sense. After a point there's no strong argument that pins down consciousness in a way that doesn't also apply to the boiler or a tectonic plate.>>517636321Sounds dandy.Should you go into the light? Art Bell used to say not to but he didn't elaborate on why.>>517632205>i once slept, involuntarily, for over 24 hoursWhat caused you to sleep for that long?>>517627373MIGA wouldn't make a thread like this unless it was heavily shilling their dogma.
>>517636475ok furfag, you obviously know your own reality, my comment was directed at peope at the beginning of their journey. the first step is to overcome fear and fear originates from what people commonly call sin. I am not arguing about semantics with you. Fuck out of here with with relativist bullshit. I am talking about learned psychological filters that need to be unlearned. For some it takes many lives.
>>517635662Well, you really only have two options. Either you take what these people recount on face value, or you assume they're lying for some reason. Having read many accounts, there really doesn't appear to be any reason for them to make these accounts up. There are many cases of people seeing things they couldn't possible see and knowing things that defy all conventional explanation. Methinks you're trying to make reality fit your ideas rather than shaping your ideas based on reality. I'm guessing you're shit scared of death, possibly with good reason, and want more than anything for it to be a sweet nothingness. And as for all this "this proves you low iq" crap shows only that you don't have any real arguments beyond "no u". Pathetic really.
>>517618296NDEs are very hylic-coded
>>517636746>Should you go into the light?the name of the game is to raw-dog it out for as long as you can musterpretty much tantamount to the volume of love one is comfortable basking in, which is the sole meaningful indicator of a soul's evolutionthis is a process we have all undergone countless times already and we hold up a little longer each and every goif it's of any pertinence i strongly suspect any and all notions of final release and fruition or an 'end' to anything are empty, nonsensical, infantile, and roundly escapist at their corewhy would God initiate the diaspora of individuated things if the end in mind was to simply end up undoing it?it's retardedlife is foreverobviously!there's no end to any of it!you just get more and more beautiful and steeped in bliss for all eternity!shit's great!
>>517635263I think part the ancestors can be explained because thats what your attention goes to at that time so you draw them in. An entity telling you to go back is probably partly driven by a part of yourself that is not ready to go yet even if you are curious to go. Wether you go in the light or not doesn't matter. If you are not ready to move on you will return to live on earth.
>>517636013Put another way, it's like an rpg where the monsters in the spawning area keep one shotting you so you don't get to explore the rest of reality. You must hone your focus and use it as an engine to propel you in that world. You can do that by leveling up in your real life, but you will probably get a lot of chances at that if you fail, but who wants to be stuck in that cycle for eternity?
>>517630721I believe in reincarnation and do recognise the biblical abominations to be a type of malvolent spawn. It's part of Paganism.However, what bothers me about OBE, among many things, is that what these guys write is clearly the perspective of uneducated and frankly, stupid people. The account of "astral traveling" found @ trickedbythelight is low IQ drivel. I've had lucid dreams since my childhood. He's not "creating matter", his mind is simply in a certain mode of dreaming where he does enjoy limited access to conscious will and memory.There's many (neo)Pagans who present stuff in a similar way which bothers me a lot. Oftentimes it's connected to drugs.Most new age stuff can be easily disproven as in smashed apart.>I can access old memorieso'really?How about you tell us something we didn't know about historical events. Do you recognise this artifact? What about language? And so on.They all don't recognise shit. >I can fly around in the astral planeo'really?What about a simple test or is that too hylic for you?You can summarize their experiences on a single page and they are not helpful to gauge the divine element in us. You're not a master of the astral because you can "fly", I've done that as a pre-teen and yes, it's a matter of practise in some sense, like everything. But you're simply practising interacting with lucid dreams which are completely unconnected to any type of reality.I do strongly believe in our beloved Gods and reject most other religions, something I instinctively always have. However, just because many of these are trash tier substitutes for metaphysics and teleology, the inverse is necessarily true and can be readily accessed.This world is meaningful.
and goodness gracious if there is indeed any finalizing cyclicity to any of it, guess what, you're just God again and shit's cash no matter how you cut it and it's time for the next go-aroundall available context points at the night still being exceedingly young if the end fate of this incarnation of the cosmos is to be filled with light and rendered one anew.
>>517636013>Your thoughts affect the reality of that placeStupid USAmerican magical thinking inherited from the robber barons selling them 'triumph over adversity' and 'bootstraps' fairy tales while they ate the country hollow.You just gotta want it more, and keep dreaming.
>>517631515It wasn't my time apparently, given the circumstances it's remarkable that I survived without breathing long enough for paramedics to arrive at my apartment and resuscitate me. If you subscribe to the cerebral DMT theory then perhaps it doesn't release until the heart stops.
>>517635402Oh excuse me and my lack of understanding. I will agree I cannot imagine myself combing over statistical data indicating who I think will be assassinated next. Are you really honest? Seek Christ.
>>517638371Combing over statistical data? I received a vision of itThe reference is to statistics was saying YOU don't understand them. Calling any specific assassination ahead of time is tremendously unlikely when the person is making no other decisions. Statistically unlikely enough to be relevant.You don't understand things like this implicitly because you are under 100 IQ. Smart people don't need the relative likelihood of events described for them
>>517635402>People get "told to go back" by their subconsciousi reject the whole idea of the subconscious. Just because people can do things mindlessly doesn't mean they're guided by an unknowable self that sits covertly directing.
>>517638058lol, no. I am not talking about some prosperity gospel bullshit. Just basic meditation. Your focus is like a light. You can shine it innwardly at individual parts of your body, outwardly at objects your senses can percieve and at abstract ideas you can imagine. In a cognitive world, your conscious attention brings things into being because you are a source of that reality. Like in a dream if you think of a car you can create it, but more often dreams are just localized minimal copies of the cognitive world you can practice in.
>>517638498Not what it means. Why strawman things to yourself instead of learning? Low iq behavior You don't have the academic bent to reject anything
>>517612217>>517612767why bump this shit thread? you didnt even make a comment yourself. what do you expect from anyone? you worthless nigger.
>>517613507are you on ssri? you are the most boring cuckold faggot alive. you are dead right now.
>>517638466Any “vision” you’ve received is either schizophrenic or demonic. I have no desire to intellectually spar with an inept closed minded fool. Begone, you have no power here.
>>517638513dreams are to your mind what farts are to your guts, nothing much is created, just received and processed.
>>517612217>oh holly satan I worship thee>OH FUCK OH NO WAIT SATAN -ACK
>>517638743>Duhhhhhhh demonsYou can't spar with me. You literally cannot win any argument against me on any topic This is a thread discussing astral travel and oobe so if you're stuck on "muh demons" might want to go sit in the couch and vape with your mom
>>517638829Oh how lost you truly are with that response. Prepare yourself brother, it will be difficult before the end.
>>517616242The idea that "being more virtuous = better reincarnation next life" is backwards, and the top-bloodline jews have realized this.If this existence is meant to be a training ground for the virtue building of souls, then think of it in terms of weight training. Heavier load = harder life, lighter load = easier life.If someone fails miserably at a 200lb bench press, the trainer wouldn't increase the weight to 300 next time, they would decrease it. If they complete the exercise with ease, next time they'll put more weight on the bar.Similarly, if someone fails at being virtuous in a life, they'll be put in an easier life the next time around, and if they manage to grow and maintain virtue, then they get a more difficult life in the next cycle. And only after you manage to maintain exceptional virtue in the most hellish life possible do you pass the test and "ascend".The jews don't want to ascend, they want to live here eternally in extreme luxury. So what do they do? They commit the most evil acts possible again and again, and as a result they keep reincarnating into the most powerful and wealthy positions. And since the top gigajews are relatively few in number compared to the general population, they're likely to keep reincarnating into the same families over and over and therefore are able to record and hold on to more generations of past-life memories than the average pleb who gets shuffled back into the whole deck each time.
>>517638777Yeah I get it, you think people are full of shit. Dreams are not the cognitive realm, I agree. The subconcious is not a living entity guiding you either. It is a crust of filters created from your lived experiences. Dreams are where those filters are hardened and if you learn to observe them you can learn where what parts of you are likely biased. They are more a reflectian of your human self than of the realitt of the universe. Some of the mechanism are similar though so you can use it as a practice ground.
>>517639060Not really a nuanced view. Someone should be able to recognize the right path in any life, despite varying difficulties. There is no slog....also, your view is illogical because a life of ease and comfort makes virtue difficult just as does a life of hardship, maybe moreso.
>>517613383>NDE's are anything except cognitive glitchdamn, people like to make all kinds of explanations instead of seeing reality for what it is - than people who had NDE had been to heaven.>>517615807this>>517616408>All of them proved the same thing, choice matterstrue>reincarnation is realfalse>there are negative entities are feed off human suffering and deathdemons>but there are also good beings who help as wellcorrect, angels>materialism is a lie as we are just condensed light particlestrue>We are created in the image of the creator, and should strive to do good.true>Oh a funny one was one time I got forced out of my body on a high dose and went up into the heavens where I saw Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna sitting on clouds. They said we love you anon, but you should cool it with the drug use its getting dangerous.Demonic deception - krishna and buddha are evil demons, only jesus is GodBasically everything what catholic tradition has been teaching since Aquinas is true.There is no reincarnation. Demonic lie.
>>517639441>Literally just a golem that repeats things without being able to thinkHonestly freaky. Pretty representative of a real demon, for a thinking person.
>>517614227The rush of narrowly escaping death/injury is one of the most incredible non-sexual feelings I have had the pleasure to experience. Used to ride motorcycles. Stopped due to my own cowardice after two close calls.
>>517612217i nearly died and it was immediate lights outblood pressure dropped to 50/30ppl who experience sudden trauma would get the same immediate lights out
>>517612217I've experienced the void. It wasn't "distressing".While visually, it's pretty boring, you can still feel emotion, and the feelings are very pleasant.
>>517635402The brain does no such thing. The brain has no drive or goals at all, its just an organ. Our consciousness has no impact at all here, if you believe in materialism.All our genes "care" about, and even that is the wrong model to use, is reproduction. Nothing that happens to you after you've spawned some kids matters from the point of view of evolution- therefore it cannot be selected for, by default. NDE's as "the brain fighting against death" make absolutely no sense from a materialist viewpoint.
>>517626126https://files.catbox.moe/pfmfxf.pdf
>>517616056You need to do Salvia right for it to work, get the concentrate and a jet lighter that burns at a higher temperature and load the bowl full. You will get fucked up and not want to touch it again for a long time. It's a shamanic experience, not like most of the other ones. First time I saw the machine elves and this was this way back in early 2000s before all of this was talked and memed about. I had to join them to escape. Another time they built a civilisation upon me and I couldn't move otherwise it would collapse and they'd die, that day I learnt I'm a benevolent deity, because I've never been so still in my life making sure those little bastards didn't suffer.
>>517613138There is no next life and you were merely hallucinating
>>517614227Reminds me of when i almost get killed on my motorcycle
>>517624412jesus is just another demon. he tricked you by just being friendly
Seth Material, conversations with god books and Dolores Cannon work covers most of it. Or you can learn to communicate god within you and ask directly. The gist of it is the multidimensional God/source is in eternal self love existing in no space and no time. God (you) wanted to re experience its greatness, so it devised the ultimate duality play/game/movie which starts in the higher dimensions and evolves as an inconceivably grand fractal. Everything has already been programmed into the CD rom of creation.God split itself into infinite souls which have an awareness and love of their uniqueness, yet also merge on the highest plane to be one indistinguishable whole. The soul you are exists across each dimension living in simultaneous lifetimes across the infinite lifeforms on infinite worlds and infinite parallel realities. Finite from the ultimate perspective but infinite from ours. You are one aspect of the soul, experiencing itself in the 3D dimension to remember its greatness, the ultimate ecstasy for you. Gods infinite self love is the vitality within each of us driving existence. This Earth planet is far you to see through the illusion of duality and develop your spiritual perception. While human in your last lifetime here you reunite with your soul through deep meditation to graduate out of this learning world and onto greener pastures onto higher dimensions. Most of /pol/ still fall for Jewish tricks and don’t see that ALL IS ONE. The bullshit on Earth is just evil/good duality playing out. All of it is god and you.
I rember when i was the most depressed in my life, moreso how it turned out. Like everything i hoped for never happend and had a crisis in faith so to speak. Did nothing but lay in bedThat night i passed out, i felt like i wasn't myself anymore, and i felt so relived from that. All of the sudden i get transported to like my old school bathroom. Im looking at the mirror above the sink and I see what's best described as a feminine looking teenager boy. Like he was either 13-16. I thought to myself if this was actually me, or at least he felt like me in some sense. I saw him doing some stuff in the mirror like playing with his hair and being all fruity and shit and i winced in reaction and he suddenly reacted back in a startled reaction, like he realized he was being watched by me. that freaked me out too. Suddenly its like i possessed his body, still looking through the mirror. I was looking at this new face now in curiosty, but there was this weird distorstion in the middle of my face that would enlargen or shrink facial features. Really hard to explain. It's strange, i thought he was ugly looking, yet i instinctivly knew he was beautiful. Then i woke up.I dont really know what to make of it, whether that was me in an alternate life, a reincarnation, or some kid taking dmt and tripping out in the school bathroom and somehow seeing me, or if it was just a dream or whatever. I still think about it every now and then. Kinda wish i could meet him again if he was real, he seemed special to me.Pic related is an idea of what he looked like, not exactly but a general sense.
>>517623332>(e.g. placing items in above patients in emergency rooms to see if people who have OBE's can identify them; none did).Yeah, because none looked there, you're acting like they looked, and saw nothing, which isn't the case.In the case of Pam Reynolds, it would be more apt to say the computer was unplugged, and yet, still running. Not just running, but running better than usual (She reported basically hyper-perception and hyper-lucidity while she was effectively brain dead).You basically have to ignore every single case of a person having an NDE while their brain isn't able to produce consciousness. I don't think you understand that when blood flow to the brain stops, about 20 seconds later, you're not producing brain waves anymore. Your brain is effectively shut down. And yet, people still report conscious, lucid experiences during that time.
>>517639441christians are so fucking stupid
>>517612217Where is the center of the maze anon?
>>517642701Yea they need to drop the fear. You will only came across demons in the other realms if you are a vibrational match. And even then they are just a though form created by you. It’s not like Earth where you could live next to a serial killer.
>>517639441>polish anon boosts himself to the gods' plane of reality>rejects most of what he sees there because it is not in accord with catholic doctrine>gets sent back none the wiserI bet Krishna laughed his ass off
>>517643061Hahaha, reminds me of the DMT trip reports of materialists asking serious questions to the machine elves who just laugh at the absurdity
>>517639441*Jesusother, some posted the truth, finally
>>517643206I have seen my own life and those of other beings as solitons, each gliding on a thread in Indra's net, but it never occurred to me to ask anything about this experience, it seemed sufficient in itself.Then again I took a friend up a mountain and his chief concern up there (after much huffing and puffing and drinking of water) was to see if he could see the guest house we had slept in the previous night.
>>517612217It's a trap to trick you back to earth. >You have to go back you have a special mission.. (which we never tell you what it is)
>>517630954>those doubting the legitimacy of remote viewingThe government intel agencies admit to using remote viewing, so anyone doubting its legitimacy is just a retard.
>>517638824Anton's quote is likely made up since that one only conveniently shows up long after he died. Instead the tendency for these guys die of bronchitis would give that quote more credibility.
>>517642466The only flaw with this take is what of those beings that seem to be going all-in on the most vile wickedest service-to-self shit? I refuse to believe that they're just playing a part and when we get out we're just going to high five each other and realise it was all part of the play. We all have the gift of freewill, we all got to interact in the sandbox as we saw fit. Some beings are going to have to be punished for what they did. As above, so below. We punish people down here if the crime is severe enough, why would it be different on the other side of the veil?
>>517644274They are being deceitful with made up statistics and omitting important information. like the fact that they aren't letting you go willingly but because it is impossible to actually stop you. Above 51% pretty much means you are able to just fuck off and leave through spiritual might and someone who is almost at 100% selfish prick gives no fucks and just fucks off no matter what.
>>517633139one octave higher is simply a doubling of frequency, you can recognise the tune, all the info is still there, it's just played twice faster and higher in pitchthat means things that vibrate when exposed to a specific frequency will also vibrate at multiples of this frequencymaths-heavy subject, read Digital Signal Processing: Principles, Algorithms, and Applications, John Proakis, Dimitris Manolakisor https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-011-introduction-to-communication-control-and-signal-processing-spring-2010/pages/readings/
>>517638662>here let me bitch moan complain about meaningless stuff in life because that's how bankrupt I am in terms of finding something better to do than spread miseryWorthless nigger.
>>517612217tl;dr:>We have documented three types of distressing NDE: inverse, Which seems just people unable to deal with the fact of an afterlife.>void, Sounds like Sheol or the outer darkness (ie space). Or purgatory. I wonder how many of these guys were Jewish.>and hellish.Well, it's as you'd imagine - monsters torturing people.Welp, looks like the Bible is correct as usual. Repent and praise Jesus.
>>517624574interdastingI relived my death in a different life while I was on experimental medication. it looked like it was in 1100-1500. i was a spanish soldier and there were horses
>>517612217guess they should've prayed moreatheists and other hethen non-christians are going to hell where jews rape them eternallythis goes double for "Judeo-Christians"
>>517639441>There is no reincarnationI consider myself a Christian but from my own personal experience I am entirely unsure of this
>>517612217man, fuck this thread
>>517646449christcuck shill desperately signaling basedness>many of these guys were Jewish.then proceeds to unironically use jewish concepts>Sheol To healthy, sane, morally upright and proud White people, you. Are. Jewish.
>>517612217I had an NDE and a portal opened up and sucked me into another timeline. Pretty sure I actually died.
Logic>There is a strange phenomenon, I should think about the possible causes from different anglesPhysicalism>There is a strange phenomenon that can obviously explained under physicalism, because physicalism is correct (source: n/a). I cannot even begin to form such an explanation, but it MUST exist because otherwise it'd undermine my worldview. So for this one I'll go with *checks notes* cognitive glitch, case closed.
>>517648632logic has absolutely nothing to do with physical reality
I'm still very skeptical of the idea that death means switching timelines. I know that in dreams, you can have an entirely different life with a full backstory to it. But you always wake up and you are back in the same physical reality, which is this one, with an entirely verifiable backstory, a whole life.Those other dreams where you have different lives come and go, but THIS physical reality remains the same. So I am skeptical of the timeline afterlife theory. Now, having limited perception as a human, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just don't see how it could be real considering all the empirical evidence we have.
>>517635972Holy God That was a close call.Glad you made it brother.
>>517649102oh, you never switch worldlines, that's stupid to even think aboutbut the question of whether the spacetime we live in supports, for example, closed worldlines is still unresolvedso is the question of identity, ultimately, although there are things which point at it being illusory - no way to distinguish one electron from the next for example. We talk about electron tunneling, but there is no meaningful physical way to tell if the electron that appears over there across the bandgap is really the same one that disappeared from over here (in fact the question itself is meaningless from a quantum theory point of view) and so on
>>517612911I had space cake in Amsterdam, I had the complete loss of a sense of time; too much weed causes this sensation, it also causes tachycardia.
>>517613138InterestinglynI myself have had the "void" experience under rather unusual circumstances, initially just coming to self-awareness at the age of 3 (I still remember it clearly I was in the back of a car my parents were driving in the middle of Indiana playing tetris on one of those old white brick gameboys) and being so utterly freaked out at being, well, aware thay i started screaming and nearly caused an accident. This was followed by 2 years, entirely after this very brief, maybe at most 5 minute incident of just a complete black void with a vague almost sort of golden tint, and being aware, aware that I was aware, and utterly and entirely confused, I was lacking any physical senses, I not only could not breathe or smell or move but I didn't even neee to do so, but it was a confusing experience as I had no frame of reference for anything as I do now, and my family had photos of me doing things and stuff as kids do during this period. Anyways after in hindsight 2 years which to me seemed near instant I would say maybe about 10-20 minutes? I came back to being aware and in full control and full sensation of my body, amusingly in the middle of a severe storm where they had tornados in Indiana at the time, and have never had ANYTHING like this since.This experience, the very first one in my existence that for some God damn reason I can recall above all others even the strange lack of sensation during that void experience, it really does leave me as someone that seeks a more tangible result on things that what we consider consciousness to be distinct and separate from the human body. This does have some rather strange and disturbing implications when you consider it but oh well, I suppose I will know more sooner or later lol.
>>517612217HahahahahaA woman in childbirth found herself abruptly flying over the hospital and into deep, empty space. A group of circular entities informed her she never existed, that she had been allowed to imagine her life but it was a joke; she was not real. She argued with facts about her life and descriptions of Earth. “No,” they said, “none of that had ever been real; this is all there was.” She was left alone in space.
>>517618528law of assumption by the book
>>517641693>that one reddit atheist that has to chime in every single spiritual conversation like he holds all the answersYou realize it makes you look really insecure right? Like you're actively scared of an idea of the afterlife so you have to put down anyone who suggests otherwise.Kinda like religious people when they feel the need to bother atheists believing their have a mission to save their soul huh?
>>517614850The only time I ever had sleep paralysis, there was a wardrobe at the foot of my bed. It wasn't scary or creepy or anything, just a wardrobe.
>>517649771fucking imaginary balls telling you don't exist, wild stuff. kek.
>>517650761You do exist simply by, as the saying goes I think therefore I amAlso even if the reality we live in is an illusionary one, you can still learn and gain a greater understanding from what you experience. These circle entites or whatever they are sure sound like thr NIGGERS of the spiritual realm honestly now.
>>517613383A handful of people recointing their NDEs have recounted information that is impossible for them to have come by.Though it should be remarked this has also happened with other phenomenon such as remote viewing, it still leaves the implications that at least some NDEs are very real and worth scientific scrunity, I mean hey the richfags keep scrambling to try to figure out how to put themselves into a robot body but constantly tell us stuff like this isn't real and consciousness is fake? Yeah right.
>>517612217I know of a pastor who was in a coma for months when he was younger and according to him, he was in a land of darkness with creatures swooping down at him.
>>517626135It's not about belief systems it's about karmic debts based on your past accumulated experiences. If you inflict a lot of cruelty or live like an animal you're going to be spending time in the hell realms, simple as that
>>517647700whyit's a very cool thread
>>517624412fuck off with your abrahamic lies
>>517641693Your existence must be nothing but pain. Someone groomed you into believing the worst lies they have to offer. Go do some lsd and shrooms or something ffs
>hospitalized in icu at 6 weeks old with pneumonia >Got mauled by a dog when I was 8>Nearly drowned when I was 11>Head injury when I was 14 from skateboarding>2 seperate o.ds in the space of a month when I was 23 (Alcohol poisoning and a opiate overdose)>Avoided serious head on collision about two weeks after turning 27>Nearly got shot by a guy with a hunting rifle holding up a service station a day later>Nearly got bit by the most poisonous snake in the world two days later>Age 33 I fell asleep driving like 5 times trying to pull 18-20 hour workdays up until getting firedI think I had kidney failure around 30 but it might have just been severe dehydration
>>517652391You should buy a lottery ticket once a year, your chances of winning are ten times higher than most people
>>517625568lol
>>517627878Well now I'm concerned.
>>517618923I’m glad you bring this up because I often dream about things that come to pass. It’s probably happened 50 times in my life. They’re just insignificant little moments but they’re real. I have also spoken to a lot of other people who also dream things that come to pass but apparently not as frequent and nobody seems as interested in the concept asI am.
>>517652391You would be dead if you had kidney failure, even if you were in a hospital.
>>517630795>spiritual adrenochromeWell, now I saw everything.
>>517612217Because they're happy to be alive afterwards? Assuming they is no drug involved.Had a close call motorcycle. Ride home 15 mph reflecting on life. Happy i didn't die
>>517612217I work as nurse for 10 years. 6 years at cardiology. I have resuscitated around 100 people at cardiology unit. Non of them had any near-death experience outside of broken ribs. 4 years at neurosurgery showed me same results. The only explanation for over 100 people having no near-death experience is that they were all NPCs or nothing like that exists. My co-workers and friends f4om hospital had same results like me.
>>517655144if I get an NDE in a hospital I'm sure as fuck not gonna tell any doctors or nurses about it because I want to get out of the hospital and live the rest of my life, not to be put on a psych ward
>>517633199>I predicted Charlie Kirk getting assassinated to multiple people in my lifemeds
>>517612911DMT did this to me. It pretty much killed who i was and made me believe in god again. I got drowned/baptized by everybody I care about while they told me it's okay. When I accepted it, I came out of it.
>>517612217The great majority of NDEs are pleasant, the only people who report unpleasant NDEs are turbo christians with motive to lie
>>517614144Checked for loosh farm on prison planet
>>517651713see you in hell
>>517655669Lol no one would put you to psych ward for that. You think average doctor or nurse care about what you saw or felt. Also psych wards are full as fuck and they dont even have space for schizos who want to kill others or themself.
>>517629690>States the opposite of truth>Will not be corrected on this because indeed none of the posters here have read about NDEs
>>517614850You were cursed
>>517656316Trusting a doctor is the worst thing you can do, they are soulless psychopaths who want to cut you open and inject you with chemicals. Nurses are just as evil but also stupid and like to mock suffering
>>517612217>Live poor and miserable lives>Reject the Christ entire lives>Is given a chilling NDE to where a preview of eternity will be.>Void (loneliness and depression), horrible creatures that want to hurt you and lie (demons)."“This is my Son, the Beloved, with whom I am well pleased.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0GjhrzHmJM
>>517656316After what we saw with covid, I would expect a n*rse to murder me with a ventilator if I told xir about having a NDE
>>517616628I had the humming in my ears once, but got scared and made it stop. What happens if you allow it to happen without fear?
>>517636321Ok griffith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu27ZkRSAaU
An NDE is just a dream experienced right before waking up from a coma. My own NDEs always involved suffering and overwhelming intensity, as if my mind were flooding my body with adrenaline and producing chaotic, vivid dreams to make me react.
>>517637029Oh, not only do you actually share your worldview with griffith, you are arguing that we live in a trapped cycle, you are spiritually dead
>>517639441Angels and demons are just people who have died and are now spirits. All people will eventually become one or the other based on what your deepest love is once you die. I agree there's no reincarnation though, past life experiences are just people in the material world picking up memories from those who have passed on. Read Swedenborg.
>>517616566At the very least we know your explanation is incorrect, because of NDEs and OBEs that provide the experiencer with veridical (proven to be true) information that couldn't have been acquired by natural means, such as hearing words spoken by a family member on the other side of the country.
>>517656752Must be australian experience. We didnt do it here.>>517656653Must be american experience. I have never saw any doctor or nurse wanting to kill patient. I wonder why people still come here with hernia disci or brain tumors to our unit and 99.9% of them not only survive but live in better shape (not counting glioblastom type of tumors)
>>517657323I did say "unless he has actual proof", and that would qualify as proof. However I realized he was most likely talking about personal experience, not proof, which he confirmed.I also said "activates whatever mechanism in your brain is responsible for spiritualism". I make no assertions about what that mechanism in your brain is or its nature or any other effects that could be associated with it, like astral projection or ESP.
>>517635916I have always said that if I make it to the other side I'm trusting nothing, immediately trying to escape and maybe trying to attack whatever entities try to talk to me. You're telling me I just lived an entire life in a lesser reality but this one is the real one this time? I don't buy it. How could you even be sure once you know such a thing exists?
>>517648189You think murder is bad? Can't trick me, Jew, that's one of the 10 commandments. You're Jewish.
>>51761221717 years ago I had one of the void type ones and I responded in the "What did I do" manner. Funny enough the author says that most people respond to these with a fear of death. But for me I still have the fear of afterlife (same as death, I guess) but almost everything I have done in life from daily decisions to my line of work everything I do is potentially done out of subconscious desire for death. I wonder if this is really psychologically possible.
>>517615304>Bro, just roll out of your bodyI end up literally rolling off the bed and waking up from the fall. Kills the paralysis I guess
>>517630954>the video below where it was discovered that people who have been vaccinated give off bluetooth signalsall that shit's fake btw. vaxxies don't give off bluetooth signals. go get a vaxed friend, walk off into the woods where there are no other bluetooth signals and test it out. you won't find anything
>>517657792Fair enough, but if proof of something has already been gathered elsewhere and it leads to understanding, then we can go into new experiences with that understanding in mind and not necessarily require proof of every little thing. In this case, there's a lot of proof that humans can sense and experience beyond the material limitations of the body, so we don't necessarily need this anon to prove that. It doesn't mean we should assume with certainty that something like that is going on, but it's not that much of a leap.
>>517651023That would be so cosmically hilarious, the universe would love it.Spirits: You do not exist, anon. Everything you have ever known has been fake.Anon: Fuck you niggersLmao
>>517612217i had a void experience i guess, had blunt force trauma to pre frontal cortex that caused a hemorhhage which caused a stroke, heart stopped multiple times in route to, and in brook army medical center. there was nothing but darkness, scared the fuck out of me. supposedly i was screaming and pointing at something right before last time i coded. it was all video taped because it's a training hospital. woke up in ICU intubated, pulled vent out of my own lungs. learned a new word that day "self-extubation"
>>517655931That "It's okay, it's all going to be okay" mantra has been the most consistent thing with DMT for me. The feeling of peace and reassurance is so profound and consistent that I'm confident it is angelic.
>>517612217my aunt used to be a heroin addict and she overdosed and clinically died 3 times total, and one time she said that she saw a pitch black tunnel with light at the end with hooded grey figures beckoning her to go forward to the end
>>517660233I think when we're talking about things that could be revealing the nature of our reality we should be picky about proof for every little thing, at the very least we shouldn't not allow someone to say they have proof when they don't. If we're going to accept any of these effects as objective, then throwing around the word "proof" when they have none is just crying wolf and doing a disservice.Some proof about certain things to do with psychedelics does not prove that everything everyone says about it is true, just the same as disproving one thing doesn't disprove everything everyone could say about it.It may not be possible to prove certain things but we should take it seriously and not get ahead of ourselves.
I’ve never had an NDE in the true sense of the term, but I do have a very interesting story to tell.I was a staunch atheist for more than 20 years until one day, quite unexpectedly and under the influence of psilocybin, I saw Christ.Anyone who has taken psilocybin knows that the visions can appear completely real.The most astonishing part, however, wasn’t the vividness or “high-resolution” quality of the vision itself, but the emotions I experienced: a profound sense of authority and absolute love.Before that experience, it had never even crossed my mind that authority could be felt as an emotion (in the same way we feel joy, love, anxiety, etc.).That experience completely collapsed my belief system, and the explanation “you were just under the influence of drugs” doesn’t even come close to satisfying me.
Nice subtle advertisement thread for Christianity, great work Rabbi.
>>517661403True nuff, I agree wit chu, anon.
>>517635473Why would i lie about this experience here. Drugs affects people differently, stupid junkie know it all ,sit the fuck down
>>517614850I experienced sleep paralysis very rarely. But one really messed with my head back when I was a hedonist. I saw a shadowy figure wearing a hat with red eyes holding me down on the bed and putting pressure on me. I could barely breathe. The next day, I opened the Bible, prayed a lot and left my hedonistic lifestyle behind. Since then, it has never come back.
>>517653055Some NDEs are uplifting some are traumatizing, not everyone who wins the lottery "wins" per se. From what I've read alot of lottery winners end up broke/fucked up. >>517654802Yeah that's why I didn't green text it, I think it was just a bad reaction to apple juice but still painful
What episode was it were the Indian says something like:>You only exist for as long as you're remembered?
bump of cocaine
>>517662691>>517662728Shitty cut cocaine is particularly vasoconstricting it can make your penis almost disappear>Cpa:RMNGG
>pleasant, even glorious.mixed experiences.Had at least one euphoric near death experience, diving tank failure, went down, no air. saw a bright light. but that was actually the dive light of by buddy and he was a real champ that day.
>>517614850jesus I thought I was the only one who got those, thought that it happened to everyone, then that I must be cursed. took me like 5 years to get a doctor who understood and just said it was acid reflux and gave me a second pillow and it went away the next day.thousands, I shit you not, thousands of night terrors. because of what? Tomato, eating late, having one pillow. Fuck the human body man.
