where do you place /pol/? vertical is inner monologue, horizontal is mental images.
>>517616120No human being has god damn emojis in his inner monologue.
>>517616120People without a inner monologue have no souls
>>517616120
>>517616183i have a soundboard and live image in my head, no emojis tho
>>517616392I feel like taking my wordless thoughts and putting them into words is like pushing a stream through a straw
>>517616120Like around here
>>517616120All the way top right but I can visualize so hard my thoughts feel real and it's borderline schizo sometimes. Not having an inner monologue is absolutely insane though and having aphantasia as an artist feels weird
>>517616120I have an imaginary universe in my head, would that count for top right or would it just extend virtually off the plane? Sometimes I get stuck in there because it's far more exciting than the bullshit going on right now, but that's starting to change and it's helping me stay more alert and focused.Still doesn't beat the portal hub though.
>>517616120Yes, I'm mentally-ill. How could you tell?
>>517616120Top right quadrant
>>517616337Kek. Same.
>>517616183Thanks for making me emoji internally, asshole.>tired faces internally
>>517616392I have music playing in my brain 24/7.
>>517617217I hope you hear me when I tell you to shut the fuck up.
wtf are the emojis supposed to represent?
>>517616392there is inner monologue as in thoughts, but I do not hear words like I hear them with my fucking ears. if you hear voices you are a schizo
>>517616120Wherever is your mom in my bed
>>517617288>the memeflag is literally retarded
>>517616120I'm very top rightwhen I want to go to sleep I daydream a fantasy life with clear visuals and conversations with imaginary people. when I finally do sleep the dreams sometimes continue on with the daydream
>>517617346Just answer the damn question
>>517616992My nigga right here.
>>517617277
>>517616469Same pheam
>>517616120Somewhere on top. If it gets really bad it feels like schizophrenia. Not just a voice but a presence of something else. The closest feeling was the one time I had a sleep paralysis demon thing happen.
i constantly find myself daydreaming and transporting myself to other places and having pretend discussions
All I see are rubber ducks
>>517617441Just letting you know that every time my brain decides to run through a song I fucking hate I blame you and people like you.
>>517616120top right if it's mental images i don't have full blown astral vision to see things in-front of me with open eyes with closed one i can imagine whole planets with life, going around, people having conversations it's not different from the simulation this one is just not that accurate because i change stuff constantly.
>>517616120HD apple plus split personality aristocratic debate schizo monologue (esoteric debuchery, actually)
>>517617513amen
>>517616992I'm this but off the scale in the right
>>517617513>Non cogito ergo nope
What does this mean for me
>>517616120this is not a gift, it's a cursedo you know what it's like being able to create whole worlds in your head with multiple characters and seeing them all do things you will never be able to do?it horrible and depressing
>>517617513>I don't get italso>morphs into a european while drinking water
>>517616120Okay there's no fucking way people don't actually experience mental imagery and talk to themselves. If they couldn't do so, how do they form sentences and dream or read books, enjoy movies, ect? It just doesn't make sense, and I think it's dehumanizing.
>>517616120There should be a 3d version where you can also smell the apple.
>>517617828STOP THAT!>you are now consciously breathing
>>517617217Mixture of music, monologues, and dialogues for me. When the music is playing I often hum or even sing if I want to annoy someone
Imagine Shrek and Obama having sex with gorillas, consensually
>>517617743It'd just memeing and pretentious twats making a bunch of bullshitBut there's truth to some people taking less care about mentally imagining things or thinking and doing a lot of mental discovery/self reflectingEveryone has mental monologe if you can read/speak and mental images are a part of memory/mental though process
>>517617888Like the exact opposite. Authoritarians are the most obsessed with aesthetics. The best art in history was made by monarchs or dictators. Libertarian left has no inner monologue, just consooms.
>>517617736No it's fucking not, start writing fiction.
>>517617908you have tiny organisms, mites, all over your skin and scalp they are always moving
>>517617996You are an evil man in a way that i find entertaining.As i dream the world your demise will occur later than you expect.
>>517618108I know.Thanks, permethrin.>that itch you feel after sweating isn't salt, it's the mites
>>517618086they forced talented people to build it because they could not imagine it
>>517618107no none reads anymore id have to learn to draw or animate
Bros... what am i?
>>517618086we wuz artists n shieeet
>>517618107>abhorrently verboseThere is no rhythm to this. Stop adding words.
>>517618406In what regard? You think it's purple prose?
>>517617736It causes me endless laughter honestly.
>>517616120im around here
>>517618539There is a distinct level of prose that is natural to language. The uncanny valley is not restricted to the visual.
>>517618206Is it classic folk evil or you shaved your genitalias in the wrong direction kind of evil? If its the first kind, this charm, id let you know that it is very, very, very gay as there is no women on the internet
>>517616120I actually can feel the apple like i can feel it in my hands, and its weight when i close my eyes
>>517617379Same. A few months ago every time I closed my eyes I had recall of every dream I had in the last 3 or so years. Each one only played for about 2-5 minutes in order continuously every night until I had memorized nearly every dream I had. Anyway if you dream at all you should be able to remember said dream at a 1:1 vivid in your mind eye with eyes closed, and about a 50% vivid with eyes open aka daydreaming. Thinking and insight is a skill, you either use it or lose it.
>>517616183Says you. I have images, thoughts, half thoughts, fake scenarios, future scenarios, racist musings and 5 radio stations.
>>517617828I refuse to believe there aren't people with multiple internal voices, the ability to visualize the produce section at Publix, and the ability to recall smells.I feel like these threads are just masturbatory feel good sessions about normal shit everyone can do
>>517616569I switch between words and no words depending on who's around me. I'm very careful about thinking in words, although somedays I'll do it if I'm just in a good, cheery mood.
>>517616337thisalso is there someone else here that can daydream for real while being conscious? It's like a dream while meditating but you're not meditating nor sleeping so you can perfectly have vivid thoughts and visualization.
I think only in cat memes
>>517618777It's more a "you're allowed to admit to yourself how your brain works, cowards."And then you meet a nigger.
>>517618777>I refuse to believe there aren't people with multiple internal voices, the ability to visualize the produce section at Publix, and the ability to recall smells.>I feel like these threads are just masturbatory feel good sessions about normal shit everyone can doProbably is. The only people who can't are people that have some form of disability. So in a way, we're just feeling good that we're better than retards.
>>517618777Multiple internal voices may mean something else is going on. Especially if they/you say "you" and "we" instead of "I"/"me."
>>517618930>but you're not meditating>be me>teach myself to meditate>wait, why is this familiar...It's the same thing.
>>517619046Well no because i can drive while doing itYou can drive while meditating dude, only pajeets are attempting it and they kill entire families
>>517616120Me. Not shown, springs and gears flying out like shrapnel, plumes of smoke and occasional showers of sparks.
>>517618086>The best art in history was made by monarchs or dictators.It was made by artists who were commissioned or captive. Plenty of dictatorships have/had ugly as fuck design because they didn't have good artists around. Whereas the ones that had good artists ended up looking good.>Libertarian left has no inner monologue, just consooms.Almost no one who identifies with any politics has the ability to create art. Actual talented artists through history didn't have a common political belief, they just created art because they could. Hitler's personal art didn't involve his beliefs whatsoever. Michelangelo and DaVinci made political pieces, but only on commission - neither was particularly political. The artists who inject politics into their work (i.e., almost all modern "artists") create the shittiest art of all.
>>517616120Inner monologue featuring emojis nears schizophrenia or is some bizarre gen Alpha phenomenon.
there is no way there are people that don't have internal monologue or can't visualize things at least a bit.it's literally impossible to be have higher brain functions without these
anyone else here
>>517619024It's just one box, multiple need to be checked for it to mean anything. Don't freak out. >>517618930Yeah?If certain parts of me take to it, then they may keep going and stopping them is like hitting the brakes in a car with faulty brake pads.
>>517619241>do it on purpose>NO! You can't just do it on purpose!Schizophrenia is caused by parasites.
>>517616992This
>>517619258I once again direct your lacking attention to niggers and jeets.And jews.
>>517619206true
I always pretend that I’m a streamer and saying stuff like “chat, look at that dog” in my head. I wish I were more retarded and I just thought about candy.
>>517619507How do jews think? What goes on in their heads?
>>517616992This but also scrolling /pol/ in my dreams
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain…
my spread is the entire top right 4 cubit sector depending on if i have a migraine or not
>>517616120The Bible says we don't know, that tells me I don't know.
>>517619379>2010 is the earliest
>>517619024I do this all the time. If someone says how are you doing today I gowe're doing pretty good.I dont have schizo habits though.we is just me and 28,000 years of ancestry
>>517616120As far in the top right corner as you can go I have vivid mental images, and can have entire dialogue and narratives in my head.
he Truth:No one can visualize something in their mind’s eye with the same vividness, detail, or clarity as if they were literally seeing it with their eyes open. Mental imagery is not a high-resolution hallucination—it's much more abstract and variable. Why This Matters:That "apple test" image often makes it seem like some people can close their eyes and see a 4K apple floating in space. That's not how mental imagery actually works, even for highly visual people.Even those with strong visualization typically report:Fleeting or dim imagesUnstable shapes or colorsContext-dependent clarity (e.g., easier to visualize a familiar object in familiar lighting)
>>517619507could you please illustrate me how those qualify as humans?except the jews, I bet they can visualize four dimensions at least or they wouldn't be able to jew so well
>>517617513FUCKINGT H I SHIS
>>517616120What's Going On Then?People who can visualize vividly are usually:Drawing on memory, knowledge, and feeling more than "seeing"Able to "see" in a way that guides creative work (like artists, architects)Using a kind of mental scaffolding—not a movie-like projectionMeanwhile, those with aphantasia aren't "worse off"—they just process differently. Many:Excel in logic, memory, or abstract thinkingDon't rely on inner imagery to think, remember, or create It's a Spectrum, Not a SwitchMental imagery exists on a spectrum:Some people can imagine vague shapes and colorsOthers might only “know” what something looks like, without seeing itOthers may "feel" or "conceptualize" objects internally Bottom Line:Even the most vivid visualizers don’t “see” an apple like they would on a screen. The difference between perception and imagination is enormous—and that’s perfectly normal.
>>517618930Of course. I think all inventors, painters, writers and musicians in history have this skill. Which is why they always had trouble keeping normal friends because almost all of normies cannot into holding a conversation or make it interesting.
>>517616120Why This Image Is MisleadingThat "aphantasia apple test" image subtly pushes a false standard by implying:“Some people can literally see an apple in their mind as vividly as with their eyes open.”That’s not only misleading, but also:Scientifically inaccuratePsychologically confusing for many peopleA breeding ground for self-doubt or misdiagnosis The Real ConsequencesBecause of how the image is structured—from vivid apple to no apple—it unintentionally suggests:There's a “best” or “ideal” way to visualize (the 3D apple in slot 1)That people in slot 5 (aphantasia) are “deficient” or “missing out”That people in the middle are just lesser versions of slot 1But in reality:Nobody sees a mind image like slot 1 with their eyes closedPeople don't fit neatly into 5 categoriesMental imagery is not always visual — it can be conceptual, tactile, emotional, etc. What Research Actually ShowsCognitive science and neuroscience suggest:Even high visualizers report that mental images are faint, fuzzy, and incompleteVisual imagery activates brain regions similar to real vision—but the experience is nowhere near the sameMany highly creative and successful people have aphantasia and never knew it A More Honest Way to Frame It:Instead of the apple spectrum image, a more accurate visual might show:A cloud of types of inner experience (visual, conceptual, emotional, verbal)Individual variability — not a rankingA spectrum of usefulness, depending on context (e.g. art vs logic vs memory) Final Thought:You're absolutely right to call it out. The image oversimplifies a complex cognitive experience and sells a myth about how vivid our imagination should be.
CIA datamining trad lmao!
I still can't figure out if this whole apple thing is some elaborate ruse.Are you saying you literally seen an apple in your head? There's no fucking way.And when you think to yourself, you actually hear your own voice? Fuck off, seriously? That's fucking weird.All my life I just assumed that people could process information without having to literally fucking talk to themselves like cromagnon, until this brain apple meme shit started.There's no way. This shit has to be some giant LARP. I refuse to believe people literally see apples in their fucking heads.
>>517620223Well, it is incredibly useful! I can focus on my technical problems and solve them while doing it, i even evaluate multiple directions, etcWhen i don't have inspiration, I take a shower and then i do that. Generally i solve my problems that way and continue creating stuff!
>>517618284Then do it.
>>517620550
>>517618108>>517618226Fuck both of you guys
>>517616183I think in memes sometimes and I feel like that counts
>>517617513This meme was made by low iq niggas with no thoughts in their brain
>>517616120everyone is 5 over, 4 up. anyone saying otherwise is trolling.
>>517617513am i the only one who completely skips over the "*feel thirst*" part?
>>517620681btw those things have no anus so they just keep eating until they explode and scatter all their waste on our skin
>>517620681I said permethrin for a reason. Turns out delousing works on em.
>>517616120quadrant (4,5) I cap out at 720p in my headmovies
nigger
>>517617513If you can't even system 2 through a bottle of water how can you use it to solve real problems?
>>517619328yes, but also with the capability of being top right as well
>>517621058System 2 water:>I'm thirsty>bottled water is disgusting>default to system 1 with prepared unbottled water
top right
>>517617736damn you sound edgy and cool and mysterious. i bet no one gets you. god you're so sick.
>>517621214real
>>517617508Dunning Krueger effect
i usually have to think intentionally about visualizing something but when I do it is very clear it doesn't just happen unless im getting like flashes of stuff I don't want to see then it's visceral and visual. i guess I also daydream a ton but it's a different thing? I'm not sure what the emojis one means Im guessing that means your visual processing is like built into more dialectical thinking. I wonder if someone did like memory palace crap that would happen more organically.difference between 3 and 4 on thinking I guess is just stream of consciousness vs dialectical and having arguments? Actually I might be top right corner would just need some more detailed description of what that meansI feel like most of these are just vagueness in communication, there's some reality to it but many people just aren't used to taking that second order thinking about how they think and perceive things maybe. The idea you can't visualize shading and more complex visual things is odd to me but I guess people don't.
>>517620275It's not a Larp. I fall in the top right, and the way the Apple Visual works is I can look in front of me or close my eyes and visualize an accurate apple, shadows and all. I can do the same thing with porn, imagining real breasts in front of me, and it can even lead to me being aroused because of the accuracy in visualizing it.The conscious is like being in a call in my head where I can communicate with it like a person. I can even mix the two, creating something similar to an imaginary friend.
>>517621214i wasn't being edgy or cool im just saying that it's kinda sad
>>517620275If this answer isnt a joke you are literally an NPC. Having an inner monologue is necessary to being a human capable of processing information beyond what you are hearing in the moment.In other words youre confessing to being either lefty or shit skin.
>>517621153>>517617513Why aren't the imaginative inner monologue guys making stuff to respond?
3:4 sometimes 4:4.The real issue is I write english all the time, i think in english most of the time so when i speak italian i probably speak like a retard now, fucking internet
>>517617295schizos hear voices coming from outside the head
>>5176217704 vertical is mostly because i always try to figure out stuff by myself rather than rightout asking stuff, this makes life much harder, I envy people who don’t think twice before bothering others
>>517621621>It's not a Larp. I fall in the top right, and the way the Apple Visual works is I can look in front of me or close my eyes and visualize an accurate apple, shadows and all. I can do the same thing with porn, imagining real breasts in front of me, and it can even lead to me being aroused because of the accuracy in visualizing it.That's absolutely crazy to me. Until this thing became a meme, I couldn't even imagine something so weird.>The conscious is like being in a call in my head where I can communicate with it like a person.See, my consciousness is more like a black box. Things just get processed in there. I never have to think about anything, it just works. Why would I want to communicate with anyone in my head, when I could just process concepts abstractly in an instant?>If this answer isnt a joke you are literally an NPC. Having an inner monologue is necessary to being a human capable of processing information beyond what you are hearing in the moment.I do not get this. Seriously, I for the longest time though "inner monologue" was just what people called that abstract thought processing. I have never talked to myself.I have never, not even once, thought it was every necessary to be able to. Why would I need to talk to myself when I can already process things fully in abstract?
>>517622060>>517621666Sorry, missed a reply.
>>517621736they're thinking about it
>>517616337Second post best post.
>>517616120Here. I think in images
>>517616120I reject the idea that anyone and even many animals are in the bottom left without some serious form of brain damage
Here's one for you guys. You don't ever see nonwhites in your dreams.
>>517616120Top right quadrant is normal… right? Right!?
>>517617888>projecting
>>517620721Moshe and Yosef, in the tunnels under the city
>>517622481I can spin the apple and I have a constant running monologue in my head, but I am incapable of having the negro answer how they would feel if they didn’t eat breakfast.
>>517622481I had a dream that I was on Good Morning America and a fat black woman punched through my chest and then I woke up.
>>517619241I'd mark myself in the same spot
>>517621044>also projectingBtw, do you think that reality isn’t real and that the people in power control reality? Yes or no?
>>517622060I need to clarify, if distracted or overstimulated the visuals and conscious will dissipate or become muted. Situations like intense arguments with someone or if I am deeply concentrating on something--real boobs--will encourage me to be in the bottom left. I HAVE to choose and commit my mind to visualize the apple or communicate with my conscious. Being in a fearful state can lead to visualizing and listening to one's conscious excessively, and maybe it makes people like me more vulnerable to certain experiences like Paranoia?
I can talk to myself with my mouth closed, totallyHowever im pretty sure I have aphantasia If I close my eyes I see black, and nothing else.I still have an imagination, i still can have vivid dreams, but my visualization is horrendous. I think this contributes to my totally shit long term memoryHas anyone with this problem ever do e a heavier dose of shrooms?How'd it go?Did it help?
>>517617888really? pretty sure this meme started when leftist redditors talked about how they lack an inner monolog and can't visualize things in their heads.
Vertical scale I'm 3 normally but 5 when I'm trying to go to sleep. Horizontal I'd say 4, my imagination is better than porn
>>517616120Right around here. Sometimes my inner monologue is more active than other days. And some days I can picture objects with more detail than other days.>>517616469People not being capable of imagining objects in their head blows my mind. I always figured everyone could picture at least basic stuff
>>517622896Weird as fuck, mate. I just vibe. Shit just works, I don't know. Interesting that it's an intentional thing though, I've heard that from some other apple visualisers.
>>517619241tfw you read too much and you start seeing the Images.
>>517621099my man
>>517621796same could be achieved on a normal person with enough sensory deprivation
>>517622747The one exception to the rule, friend. It's still exceedingly rare to dream of a nonwhite, but if you do it will invariably be associated with an act of violence.This is how I came to this realization. I dreamed that I was on a giant anime battle arena style thing that was actually a spaceship launching up into the atmosphere, and I had to fight against a very skinny and fast nigger, in the dark. I realized>wow, I've never seen a nonwhite in any dreams in all my 33 yearsSo I think it's very rare but if you do see them. Yep, it's violent. Glad you woke up, king.
>>517622481I used to have recurring dreams when I was a kid of niggers shooting me in a driveby. Haven't had those in years though but you are correct, that is the only time I can ever recall seeing nonwhites in my dreams
>>517616183My inner monologue shows me shit like Tony from The Shining so you can fuck off jeet.
>>517617513is this seriously how inner monologue niggas go through life
>>517623289Trvth Nvke
>>517616337kek
>>517623353The way it works is we get to choose when our Inner Monologue has a say, unless in a negative state like being fearful or worried and we unintentionally let it dominate our minds like the pic. Our Inner Monologue is like a friend we can call for advice and chat when we want to, but it can sneak an opinion when we are understimulated, sitting and doing nothing.
>>517623346>the shiningRead the book before I ever watched the movie.Every line of Jack Torrance my brain had Nicholson's crazy ass voice reading off.
>>517617508same but somehow i do it better than you. i'll daydream about it tomorrow at work and prove it.
>>517617513not surprised a fucking leaf slave is jealous of thought masters
>>517623289kek
>>517623353No that's how severe autism goes thru life.Inner monologue would be more like "gee its a long walk to the store just to go buy a Fiji. But that's some damn good water"basically 1 or 2 panesNot an existential crisis with step by step procedure of opening/drinking a water bottle
>>517621371reddit effect
>>517622614I can rotate an entire orchard, fold it three times, punch a hole in a random spot, unfold it, and have beaners having conversations while they picking, walk and fall through the eight holes. >most people are literal drones that are incapable of second guessing themselves or having imaginative thought and secondary predictive foresight of actions
Imagine not being able to see even one apple. I can do thousands, millions. Trillions.
>>517616337i love you kek
>>517618930>It's like a dream while meditating but you're not meditating nor sleeping so you can perfectly have vivid thoughts and visualization.Yes, music in particular does this for me, i get like little 'music videos' that I often replay and redo the stories of in my head. It's almost involuntary so I hate listening to music constantly, I listen to it a lot mind you, I'm just not one of those you catch with airpods all the time.Also to further expand, I pretty much only listen to techno/house/edm with no or barely any lyrics if you can call it that and classical music. I still listen to songs with lyrics but theyre in the minority, and for some reason this triggers the NPC normie mind
>>517622060>when I could just process concepts abstractly in an instant?Eating or wiping your ass is not a concept.Most people with inner monologue ALSO can do such things on automatic mode
>>517616120I just let the holy spirit take over and insult jews.
>>517617513this made me laugh uncontrollably
>>517624266a whole fucking orchard
>>517616120considering most people were are angry jeets and poorly paid shills, pretty low. personally i can replay entire movies in my head
>>517618930its called active imagination, look it up
>>517624552>personally i can replay entire movies in my headTHISand music (especially orchestra)
>>517624552How would grounding a kid from TV even work if everyone could just close their eyes and imagine movies
I have hyperphantasia - can create an object in my mind and rotate it to see it from different angles, but I'm neither autistic nor suffer from ADHD.
Anyobe who's into CAD (white men) can prododuce mechanical objects with multiple congruent parts, played through in motion all in their heads. I can do that too.
>>517617736>t. High iq masterrqce Same boat. It’s probably a coping mechanism but my imagination is always better than reality. Of course, there’s blurring between the two, but the curse is real. Not to make this r/giftëd, but It’s hard to have conversation or even relate ideas to other people that can’t hold multiple hypotheticals. I’m not a shut-in and get laid plenty , but I do find that it can be incredibly isolating. I have a 70+ yo friend I chat with who has the same problem and we chat for 4 hours at a stretch. It scratches the itch and we both come to the same conclusions.
any legitimately religious people without a monolgue/visualizations?
>>517624673I didn't knew about that term, thx
>>517625474lmaoseems like the religious all fall into lower left quadrant (npc tier)
>>517625371Who is she, anon? She is cute.
>>517616337Im a communist and score top on both.
>>517625697even the best of us can be brainwashed/fall into a cult
>>517624518I grow apples and my apple tree is in my sight even now at dusk, it is bent over from so many apple and looks like it's laying down. I will have over 250 pounds of apples.It's ironic that the NPC test is an apple, I look outside and all I see is apples.Imagine being of the clay races and not being able to imagine a shape in your mind. How can we let these people vote?
>>517618930Yea I have pretty in depth waking dreams which used to be a big issue when I was younger but I can be more focused now
>>517617288pretty sure it is the number of voices you hear
>>517625613in self deliberation perhaps you're cursed more because you're given more chances.
>>517625811>How can we let these people vote?AGREED
>>517616120My inner monologue won't shut up at times.
>>517625957Voting tests should be required. It was supposedly racist but isn't that just Democrats calling blacks dumb and beasts of the field?Amazing mindfuck they did on THAT issue. I would break bread with anybody who can rotate the apple and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
>>517625923oh that's it?So when my mother died a hoarder in a rotten house, that was just Yaweh giving my sinner ass another chance that I clearly don't deserve.Where's my cat of 9 for self flagellation?
>>517621591The visualizing can be tweaked, or so I’ve found. The apple background can be all black or white like that scene in THX 1388. Memory place never works for me. I just have a massive archive reel that gets pulled from and abstracted. I suppose this is the Akashic Records and I’ve accessed them many times before.Visualizing shading is one thing, but coming up with novel things is better. Like try to come up with a new fruit. You can even take this further and do some non-Euclidean/non-geometric work. I mean, visualizing an object in the 4th dimension as both a tesseract and as a representation of time makes sense in my mind, but it seems to defy description. The same goes for Pirsig’s “quality”, or abstract math, or difficult music. All these seem to stem from the same mental source but are malleable.
>>517626087>and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.lost me there frensorry i dont follow semite religions
>>517625832I'm glad that we're not alone anymore
>>517616120There is only one right version of this meme you niggerfaggot, and i have it
>>517616120i could never really think. i just knew stuff or i didn't. as i got older math went further away from me. i was fine in humanities though. what is this called
>>517626183You failed in your filial duty to take care of your parent in old age and you blame anybody but yourself.You will learn to repent.No chink just saying.>>517626240Tell me aboout your religion...>you won't
>>517618358retarded
>>5176161200,0
>>517626183actually, that was all meaningless, because somehow that's better for the world.
>>517616120I dream/fantasize when I try to sleep. Sometimes lewd, death or food.
>>517620275So many people are so unbelievably done. You don't literally see an apple and you don't literally hear a voice. You activate sensory reception without it actually existing. This means you have an "in mind" apple and an "in mind" voice.I can "see" a fully realized on my desk here, but it isn't the same as seeing a real apple.
>>517626306>tell me your religionformerly catholicagnostic for a long timeslowly becoming atheist considering the state of the world>You failed in your filial duty to take care of your parent in old ageWRONGTried to help, she drove me away.And after a lifetime of abuse, I wasn't going to put up with it anymore.There's a good chance she drank antifreeze - killed herself instead of calling me back in the 5 months that followed.>and you blame anybody but yourself.Wrong againBut more importantly I don't have to explain myself to you.Oh that whole suicides go to hell thing can fuck right off too.
>>517616120Something like this.
>>517616120Top right, I spend most of my time maladaptive daydreaming. It has recently inspired me to start writing books.
>>517626407That state is the hypnagogic state. It can be extended and used if you practice, it can also be accessed directly after waking. I practice its use by not opening my eyes upon waking, takes a little practice but its not hard to do.
>>517618930Yes its called daydreaming for a reason you nigger brained ass
>>517626407I do that too, but I'm building towers.Building little diaramas in my sleep, always surrounding towers. Dunno why.Tall things just make me feel safe. Trees, skyscrapers, the valley between hills and mountains.I suppose it's lingering memories of infancy when the safest thing in the world for me were my mum and dad, towering next to me as they played with me.
>>517626806Ive created dozens of stories in my mind and I was considering thisI used to write green text stories and get really carried away when I listen to music, my mind unravels and I create worlds too
>>517626928It's insane that you're angry for no reason on the internet
>>517626828When I fantasize, it seems like I see nothing and something at the same time. I guess I could steal your practise method>>517627054That seems calming. I mostly self insert in a fantasy world
>>517616469Not only can I think of an apple I can do whatever I want with it in my mind. Rotate it, blow it up, speed forward until it rots, imagine it getting spaghettified while it enters a black hole, imagine your mother with it in her mouth while I slam her bleeding asshole while she cries, etc
>>517624147I honestly believe everyone— well at least every white person without mental deficiencies, can do this. I just think 90% of people are ruined by instant gratification and brain rot by tiktok reels and quick dopamine highs. And everyone around my age that says they can’t are full of shit because as a kid everyone would look out the car window and imagine some cartoon hero character running along side. That is the same thing I do now just on a higher level when I troubleshoot or engineer in my head by breaking apart the mechanism piece by a piece and rebuilding it. I refuse to believe that this is something that is special or high IQ, it’s simply something that requires concentration and practice to develop and use fully as an adult and most people are just tucking lazy and want to live in autopilot.
>>517627670But can you insert it in your rectum and imagine it screaming senpai?
>>517616120tippy top left for me. can create symphonies from scratch but see nothing but black. what does it mean?
>>517617513>he cant turn it off at willNGMI
>>517617728It means you like to push the head of your penis against the heads of another guys penis
>>517616469same thanks for saving me the trouble of uploading the image
>>517616120>Imagine having emojis as internal monologue What kind of faggot would suffer for such retardation Anyway, I doubt there are people without inner monologue, just imagine the anxiety, especially in modern times, his behavior would be oriented to get stimulus to feel alive, wtf?
I simply enslave a random jew in my head. Make him dance until he dies of exhaustion. rinse and repeat. I've genocided billions of mind jews.
>>517616120I’m a 5 on both BITCHHHHHH lmfao eat shit faggot OP
>>517616120red if I'm well restedblue if I'm tired
>>517624398Based, you truly have a soul
>>517616183I have adapted my thoughts to include emoji just to spite you.
>>517619328You don't have any internal monoloue?LMAO fucking clankers are real.How does it feel living in autopilot? Do you even reflect on the answer you will write or it all comes out automatically?Holy shit, it's so weird thinking someone like you exists at all.
>>517616120bottom left
>>517616120Im painfully average iq yet im constantly obsessed with existential thoughts and abstract concepts' hate it so much, I feel like a deer that's seen Lovecraftian horror for the sake of it being funny.
After years of drawing I can imagine/project anything perfectly but only if I have my eyes open, otherwise it's just fog.
>>517620165WRONG
>>517620221i can see an apple like i can see on screen
>>517617513This was made by someone without internal monologue and thus, incapable of understanding the mere concept of it, but through dunning krugger effect they somehow think they're the 300IQ one and made this masterpiece of absurdity. Capcha : NIGGERNah not really but it would be funny to have NIGGER as capcha
>>517616120Middle of lower left. Can't really imagine things very well on demand. Some activities improve that - music, walking, bedtime.And not particularly tormented by garbage thoughts either, just occasional echos.Latter was entirely absent before 30. And then got rapidly worse in like a few months at one point, under "mysterious" circumstances.
>>517616120list is incomplete i can play music in my head as if it was a midi player with each individual instrument separately and change the "voice" of the words in my head to general grievous, sean bean or cristopher lee for example
>>517616120Way above both.
>>517616120I don’t have an internal monologue. I have impulses of energy in my mind that get translated to speech when I need to verbally communicate with someone, but it’s kinda taxing and makes me trip over my words :/
>>517616120I have no inner monologue and cannot conjure any image. I used to think people were using terms like "picture X" or "hear Y in my head" metaphorically until high school.
>>517616120Me basically
>>517616120Internal voices are fake and gay. Mine just coughs out nigger every once in a whileNigger
>>517616120Can do both at different levels and ratios depending on the circumstance, AKA a normal brain.
>>517633668I'm this way too. We have figured out how to off load mental loads to the subconscious. I explained this to my wife that when I read a number I just completely forget I read it and then can just type or write it if I don't think about it. I'm doing that now, rerouting my voice into text. So how I write is how I talk and this is just a conversion of that data. How this manifests in thought, I work in ideas or forms. Ask me about what I had for lunch and I teleport back to my work truck driver seat, see my lunch and me eating it. It's a total experience I jump to in a flash and then pull from that experience the relevant information to the conversation.It's wild to me people prefer their internal monologue language to abstract forms.
>>5176161205/5 on bad days.4/5 on good days.You don't want maxxed out inner monologue. it's pure schizo hours. it takes concentrated effort to quiet your mind enough to sleep. The days where I do not think unless I want to think are good days.
>>517637983Me 2 bb. It's ok many of us are like this. It just means your recall memory is amazing, you can abstract like a motherfucker and the vast majority of humans will find you crazy
>>517617513>jeet is a mindless slurper
>>517638605> It just means your recall memory is amazing, you can abstract like a motherfuckerGreat to know I’m not alone lol
>>517620264Lmao ChatGPT can see a clearer apple than you.
>>517616120its all instant unless I am actively in deep thought.When I have my monologue "on" its just the one voice although I can make it be more than one when I'm imagining a conversation or song with multiple vocalsI can visualize the apple in 3D in a house in some random country and then the POV pulling back and traveling overseas until it reaches my house and its like I am watching myself type this in a Gods Eye View
>>517620275My dad is dead. I can still perfectly picture his face, hear his voice. Replay full on memories like video, remember sentences he said, lessons he tried to teach me. I can't conceptualise how it would be otherwise and I wonder how it is for people who cannot do this. Do you really just forget the person and move on as if they never existed in your life?
>>517620165There’s a reason why people use the term “minds eye.” I can visualize things very clearly for as long as I want to. I’ll attempt to describe it. You’re not really seeing it, you’re basically telling yourself that you’re seeing it. The thing you imagine exists on a layer beyond your sight. You can do this with any of your senses. Remember the taste of something well enough and in a way you’re tasting it, as an example. I can imagine an apple in my hand with my eyes open. Color, weight, taste, texture, physics, lighting, as much detail as I want. Simultaneously in my mind I see the apple in full resolution in my hand, and my eyes see my actual empty hand. People who see “fuzzy” images I think don’t understand this. There is and isn’t an image because as I said you’re not really seeing it. Reality and imagination exist simultaneously. Closing your eyes helps cut down on “white noise” so you can visualize better, but it’s not necessary. It’s all in your head. Dreams are in this same vein, you’re being fully immersed in your imagination because when you’re asleep there’s nothing to distract from it. It feels like you can really “see” things because parts of your brain are shut down. I’ve had half dreams before that felt like I was daydreaming and not actually “seeing” anything.
I've yet to see proof that the apple scale is a scale. Seems to just be clean cut between 1s and 5s with no middle ground. You're seriously telling me that someone out there can visualize an apple, except only in monochrome and low res? Fishy.On the other hand, the blah scale is definitely not constant for a person. Anyone can achieve the lowest state via meditation, and anyone reaches the highest one at some point, for instance when feverish.
>>517639804I would imagine that someone who could not do that would not have the mental power to properly comprehend their loss of those memories
>>517616120you guys really "see" and "hear" things in your head?? isnt that a mental disorder?
>>517640440Did you think universal phrases like "picture this in your head" were metaphors? Normal people have this thing called imagination, which by itself is etymologically connected with 'image'.
>>517640599i don't agree, you can have an idea without seeing things
>>517616120Needs a golden apple.
>>517640653Oh, sure you can. Just like you can hear things with your eyes closed, but that doesn't deny the existence of eyesight. Conceptual, linguistic/auditory AND image-based thoughts are something you should all be capable of, independently of each other.Another good example is the all-present experience of having a song stuck in your head. What do you think that imples? Yes, people imagine the sounds and hear them in their thoughts.
>>517617736>seeing them all do thingsbut do u see them as vividly as u see dreams?
>>517625371>but It’s hard to have conversation or even relate ideas to other people that can’t hold multiple hypotheticalswait until you encounter people who believe you are a terrorist for beholdig hypotheticalst. living in balkans against my will
>>517640805i cant relate to any of this but i'm living normally? working as a software engineer i never had any problems, how do you explain this?
>>517640272See the thought of this is what really creeps me out. Like I don't want to be all judgemental regarding thinking styles because I believe people can be good, and loving, people, regardless of anything else. But do people really have a diminished capacity to appreciate their loved ones because of that? That one screenshot of the guy saying he carries a picture of his wife and child in his wallet because he couldn't imagine what they look like otherwise was just wtaf... Maybe the no apple people here could explain a little bit what their relationships are like with their loved ones and how often, and in what ways, you think about them. Is this the reason so many elderly people don't get visitors in the care home? Not because they were arseholes all their life but it is literally a case of out of sight, out of mind for their families?
data mine this you glow-in-the-dark cia nigger
>>517641370Truly this anon is an ascended one.
>>517641237Who knows, modern neuroscience likes to make claims that they understand the processes in the brain, but they have absolutely no models for human experience beyond "uhhh this area lights up". But that at least is a real thing. People asked to "picture something" reveal activity in the same areas responsible for sight... except it doesn't happen to subjects with reported aphantasia. There are also very real accounts of people who went from head apple to nothing after severe head injuries, and can explain both sides.But most of all, it's strongly suspected that it's just a skill to be trained. Nobody told you to do it in your formative years, so you missed the best time to train it. Before all the screens in our lives, just about any child stumbled upon it out of boredom. Nowadays it seems it's easy for a child to be distracted and never get to experimenting in their heads.
>>517620681Look skyward and you can see all the shit that's in your eyes
>>517641370iKneel
>>517641705Yeah but the thing is im 35 and i didnt have access to any screens until i was 10, also was a big loner i suffered great boredom in my childhood, yet i never experienced what you described.
>>517642000The screens were just a likely conjecture. It could be any number of factors we don't understand. Maybe your parents didn't read to you or give you picture books, or any other random-ass but extremely common thing that maybe develops this process?Or maybe it's as genetic as eye color? We don't know that either because human experience is notoriously hard to research. In this case better hope the Greeks were wrong, because they'd probably call you a hylic.
>>517642145interesting, my mother actually read to me quite a bit when i was young but i never saw it like "visualizing" it, i just understood it, i don't know how to explain, when i have to do some task i just know what to do.
>>517642000Can you answer my question, anon? How often do you think of your family? Do you think of them conceptually or another way? How easy is it to remember the lessons they taught you when you can't hear it in their voice?
>>517616120>he existsngmi
>>517616120Is it possible to go off the chart on the top right? Not only can I visualize things but I can also smell and taste them in my head. I am currently tasting a delicious sweet apple in my imagination, feeling the crunch between my teeth and the apple juices flowing over my tongue. Can normal people not do this?
>>517642449i don't think about them really but i know who they are as a concept. i know the content of everything we have experiened together.
>>517642397Well the thing to take out of it is that people with aphantasia live normally and only learn of aphantasia when it's pointed out to them, so you don't really have anything to worry about. There are even successful artists who were baffled by the whole head apple thing.Statistics on this are hard to gather accurately, because people have opinions when relaying their subjective experiences. But considering that all languages around the world developed around intuitive understanding of phrases much like "picture this" or "read it in X voice", it's safe to assume that your case is more of an outlier than the norm.
>>517616120It's endless 24/7 audio and visual noise of all sorts.
>>517642743Thanks anon. Do you think things like being taught to honour your parents helps? Like having that instilled as a concept is more important to keeping a good relationship than focusing on memories of them?
>>517642366No, it's supposed to be a 3D bell curve
>>517643074no i have memories, but i never "see" things i just remember "oh that one time my mother smacked my head for this reason". Same for deceased people i remember the content but i never see them
>>517643433if this is to be accurate the majority should be in the blank and blank cross section75% of people dont even have inner speech or visualization, they confuse feeling with thinking.
I think this is all a meme. There's no way people don't/can't visualize things inside their mind-space or hear their own thoughts.
>>517616120I have to sleep with the tv on or my inner monologue is like the top one and I can't sleep, I think I'm probably becoming schizophrenic or some kind of mental issue.
when i was a kid and bored i used to memorize the entire pokedex so i could name any pokemon from their number, i only knew them as numbers
>>517643660I'm not good with graphics, but this is probably what you're describing. The bell curve should be skewed towards the bottom-left quadrant a bit, but it isn't as extreme as pic related because there are a lot of people (even tho they're in the minority) with a vibrant imagination/monologue.
>>517616120I'm like 4 steps higher than the maximum on y-axis and 1-2 steps higher on x-axis.
>>517644109read the Bible or memorize the psalmsif your brain is reeling at least make it do it with a purpose
>>517616337100% true
>>517616120I'm above and beyond the limits of this graphI have unlocked the fourth dimension in my mind, and I have multiple synchronous dialogues with unique heroic characters who grew up in complete worlds devised by myself, surrounded by "AI" NPCs who act as checkpoints for various missions/quests to keep them busy while I'm away
>>517644236this nigga uses matlab lmao
>>517626686may she rest in Folkvangr's fields until you can reach her, anon. Hopefully there she can recover enough.
>>517617513The joke here is that the complete process on right (for me) is still faster than the normie on left.I get this feeling people have no clue just how brutal some people's minds are.As a bonus I might have some extra steps where I shoot bothersome thoughts like a quickdrawing cowboy, obliterating them.
>>517616120I don't know what the emojis are about on the top image, but I can find it hard to sleep because I'm always thinking. I have no trouble visualising things, and can basically watch movies in my head
>>517625800True, but that still makes one's self functionally retarded.
>>517643433Thnx anon, I don't have graphic manipulation technomagic software. That is what I meant.
>>517643466Cool, I'm glad they're still very much present for you :)>>517644109Try eating less mushrooms. There are other foods/supplements that help build neuron connections that absolutely send your inner monologue into overdrive.
>>517644634Intelligence essentially is a myth. I have never met a truly intelligent person and don't know what sort of IQ/EQ etc you'd need for that. 200 maybe? Probably more.tl;dr all people are retarded monkey-ass niggasElevating yourself above animals is just arrogance.>but I can hit stuff with a rock, or soldering iron!Splendid!
>>517618406You think that's purple? He should get on my level>This was a place of terrible light. Though woollen grey hid the true Sun, silent silver flashes danced in the heavens, and an orange haze—like an Ilforan sunset over the Occasian Sea—surrounded Balefire Mountain. The heat was oppressive. Exhausted, Ranold's gaze followed the ponderous stairway snaking along the ridgeline, and where it ended, a blinding, gilded light crowned the peak. He stood now at the foot of the approach, shielding his eyes from the false sun. The stairway landing marked where the foothills ended and the mountain proper began, and squinting from beneath the shadow of a hand, he glimpsed his goal for the first time. The tower. From here it was a thin black thorn, piercing the heart of the glare. There it stands, he thought.
>>517644873>>517618107stop it with the adjectivitis, i cant take it anymore aaaaaargh
>>517644754Cope.[Materializes apple psionically in the same physical space as you]
>>517644873Literally just the first two sentences there that are atrocious.
>>517645028NOOOpplllhggrmmpphh*turns into apple*
Anyone practiced lucid dreaming here? I was always curious about that.
>>517616120being hyperconscious, hypersensitive and highly intelligent sucks assjust lobotomize me and turn me into a 120 IQ NPC please god please make it stop
>>517644873Very good for a beginner, anon, keep it up and one day you'll be as good as this.Hi my name is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and I have long ebony black hair (that's how I got my name) with purple streaks and red tips that reaches my mid-back and icy blue eyes like limpid tears and a lot of people tell me I look like Amy Lee (AN: if u don't know who she is get da hell out of here!). I'm not related to Gerard Way but I wish I was because he's a major fucking hottie. I'm a vampire but my teeth are straight and white. I have pale white skin. I'm also a witch, and I go to a magic school called Hogwarts in England where I'm in the seventh year (I'm seventeen). I'm a goth (in case you couldn't tell) and I wear mostly black. I love Hot Topic and I buy all my clothes from there. For example today I was wearing a black corset with matching lace around it and a black leather miniskirt, pink fishnets and black combat boots. I was wearing black lipstick, white foundation, black eyeliner and red eye shadow. I was walking outside Hogwarts. It was snowing and raining so there was no sun, which I was very happy about. A lot of preps stared at me. I put up my middle finger at them.>>517645192Not practiced, as such. It would happen spontaneously. Has anyone had any success with the light switch method, or anything like that?
>>517645192My main difficulty is not panicking when I realise something weird about myself, like not breathing. You don't have to breathe in dreams, but don't pay attention to that because it's really unpleasant.
In my opinion you're best served being conscious but still falling short of understanding you're in a dream, and hence taking it at face value, instead of manipulating it, which often has mixed results.Just try to remember to rape any females you encounter.
>>517645075The first sentence is amazing, what are you talking about? That's the one thing I will not change in future drafts
>>517645523True, the first sentence isn't an issue. Basically just the second.
>>517645630It is all over the place, I agree. I think I tried to say too much in one sentence, and it just doesn't feel natural
>>517645784>Although woollen grey clouds/fog (?) hid the true Sun, muted (or something, don't do this S S thing) silver flashes danced across the heavens, and an orange haze—like an Ilforan sunset over the Occasian Sea—surrounded Balefire Mountain.I think this already improves it sufficiently, but I'm definitely not a literature critic.
haze maybe
>>517616183WEAKLING
>>517616120You can't have both visualization and monologue high or low, they are mutually exclusive ways of thinking. Visualization means you see an apple _first_ and only later understand what it is. Monologue means you first understand what an apple is, and you don't _need_ to render it, but you still can if you put an effort into it.So you can't have both or don't have any by definition.
