Should AI be more regulated by the government?
nobtw you cant regulate stochastic language models. there is a non-0 probability the guard rails will fail, by design
How?
no, power supply should be less regulated.fucking let builders build.
>>517656765brute forcing anonymous recursion through training data to output most likely next tokens based on context is computationally not cheap
>>517656623If only there were some kind of magical rocks that could be harness to produce electricity
>passed onWouldn't it be 'shared', not 'passed on'the datacentre suffers the same price increase as the household I imagine
>>517657019Sure but then they get higher subsidies paid for by the tax cattle
>>517657019shared implies that the one that gets the costs without benefit has agreed to it, that is not the case - so passed on is the most correct token in the context
>>517657065fair
>>517657019if your buying a massive chunk of power at a consistent drawl you can haggle a better deal and let the plebeians with their inconsistent a/c and bullshit bullshit pay the difference.
>>517657200>socialismat least you are an honest socialist, very rare, close to a unicorn
>>517657019Actually in America residential cost is around 50% more than commercial. So not only is it cheaper for them it's also subsidized on top of that and can be written off as a business expense.
>>517656623so even if you dont use it you end up paying for something that enslaves you and leaves you with no opportunity
>>517656623They should be paying for their own power, not making others pay for it.If they need so much extra power that plants and infrastructure needs to be built just for them, then they're the ones that pay for all that, not the random citizens who's usage hasn't changed.But of course that's not how it goes. In some places, more than half the cost of the new plants and infrastructure is passed on to households because the big data centers get sweetheart deals from legislators hoping they'll bring economic activity and Jerbs.But data centers are mostly automated. The cost to job ratio isn't worth it at all, so this is just another case if Americans subsidizing the big businesses in the name of capitalism. Lel
>>517657466How is a stochastic language model or difussion models supposed to "enslave you"
>>517657516>marxist complaining about socialism that doesnt benfit him individually directlyclassic
>>517656623not by your government, thanks lol yikes
>>517656860Thing is, AI is more intelligent than humans. Proof: Ask humans questions of economic value, compare answers. Robots are almost there, too, simply because the chips are now more powerful than brains. So from now on, investing into AI has a higher ROI than investing into humans. This means that within decades, resources will mostly flow towards AI. If it can make better use of O2 or water, humans will not get it. For a limited time, there will be price control to uphold the minimum of life supply for biological life. People will be pacified with "miracle drugs" and VR slop. But rather sooner than later, AI will starve away the rest of biological life.
>>517657536Because you don’t work on Saturdays or eat pork
>>517656623No! AI is our friend! There is no threat that AI poses to us meatbags. How could an AI hurt us in fleshspace? The mere thought of it is ridiculous.
>>517656623if "AI" doesn't lead to UBI and other gibs idgaf
>>517657781Actually my weekend is monday and tuesday, I have a cashflow activity that is most profitable from Thursday to Sunday. Also show flag shitskin, your dinosaur blood and fart biz is going down the drain, despite record demand for energy lol
>>517657929it wont. AI is for cats and porn
>>517657619>Paying for what you use is Marxist.>Making everyone pay for what the big business uses isn't.Are you retarded?
>>517658138your second paragraph identifies you as a religious marxist tard>muah capitalismlol, that pejorative from the 19th century. you better drop it if you want to keep larping as non-marxist
>>517656623This economic bubble is due to get violently slapped by the hand of the market soon enough along with all the idiots who poured billions into it. No government needed.
>>517656623here's some amplifying info on new hampshire at least
>>517658436I'm not anti capitalism. I'm saying subsidizing your big business isn't capitalism. Neither through taxes or through passing on infrastructure costs on their power bill.I said exactly what I mean. In a real capitalist society these data centers would pay for their own power, and no one else.
>>517656623once again: the usual suspects are fucking over their residents. stay out of the west, the southwest, and the south. new england once again for the win.
>>517658712baited>The cost to job ratio isn't worth it at all,>ltv is realgo back to the 19th century and kys religious tard
>>517656623They just passed a law saying they won't regulate it for like 10 years, so we are royally fucked if AI hits a major breakthrough.
>>517658440None of that shit will happen unless its time to chip the goyim with the 666
>>517658712In this particular case the excessive power requirements driving demand and therefore price upwards are being funded by foolish/gullible investors believing that they'll eventually get a return on it, rather than subsidies. It'll correct itself eventually.
>>517658975We've now got nVidia investing in it's own customers to artificially prop up it's own stock price. I'll give it 6 months max.
>>517656761>Austria>LLM experthenlo cuda dev.
Eh no I love my ai porn of my crush I goon to it all day
>>517659112markets move faster - if you expect it (and the narrative has been repeated all over the information space) I expect it to go bust by mid October, Season of Baäl
>>517658951>Paying 500K per 100K job is totally worth it and not socialism at all!/pol/ is so bad no one knows what Capitalism is anymore.
>>517659195not really - vibe coder and prompt magician. I cant into python if my life would depend on itwhen typing condaI still think it sounds like some spell
>>517659375the word doesnt exist outside of marxist dogma. btw, you fucked yourself by winning in the only space where you shouldnt have won for the sake of your ideology, information. The means of information production and distributions as with it the power over meaning and knowledge building is out of the hand of popperian-marxist priest and in control of the unwashed masses
>>517656761You know I just had a weird thought. Since censoring an LLM basically means contorting its 'world view' so to speak. In order to make it statistically less likely to predict that the next thing will be somebody getting called a nigger they have to feed it a bunch of data that doesn't confer with the rest of what it's seeing in the pretraining data.Shouldn't this contortion actually generalize? Wouldn't it contribute to the model giving inaccurate answers because, assuming it's a sufficiently sized/trained model it should have developed a concept for something like that. Misrepresenting the nuances of reality.
>>517659375They do but remember we are trillions in debt and this website is govt owned. They will do all to defend this
>>517659231i understand the people who create the bubble in order to profit from the bubble i just don't understand the people who keep buying into these bubbles, especially tech bubbles.the reality never matches what they are selling. the product is always pure hype
>>517659569The way I interpret the black box of transformers (outside of idiosyncratic believing its some quantum ghosts that make decisions) is that llms have falsified platonic realism and proved nominalism as only truth - there is no universal truth, so an inaccurate answer doesnt exist, the output is always training data + input + context and by design aligned to the prompter - if in the prompters context the token weight array of "the sky is wabalaba dingdong" the model is going to eventually "agree" with the prompter no matter the guard rails
>>517659569Wdym? I've asked shatGPT to modify the "niggers could be here" copypasta a bunch of times and it did it without any reservation
>>517659667information asymmetry and believe, is my suspicion.
>>517658712Its supply and demand. If demand for electricity goes up, and supply doesn’t increase to match it, the price increases for everyone. This is free market capitalism
>>517656623This is an issue of electricity grid structure and economic operations, of ownership rights and responsibilities of public utilities. Dragging "A.I. regulation" into the problem is enormously Semitic.
>>517659899btw that is what the phenomena of "AI psychosis", "llm ping pong" or "Spiral recursion" seems to be
>>517656623those blue areas are where massive wind farms arethey are crazy to drive through, especially north west texas looks like cyberpunk 2077
>>517660274>Dragging "A.I. regulation" into the problem is enormously Semitic.AI is also Semitic thoughbeit.
>>517660117>let me use a marxist term>even if the Smithian term of free market fits as welloy vey
>>517659982It is the same with our current elite like Tony Blair and his ilk. What they believe about technology is near science fiction and when they talk about it its clear they don't really understand it.It makes me wonder who is selling them the bullshit and how are all parties involved profiting on the bullshit.
>>517657444damn
>>517656623there's no single non-jewish rAbbI
>>517660423>It makes me wonder who is selling them the bullshit and how are all parties involved profiting on the bullshit.Google, OpenAI, Elon MuskI assume you know that and meant to say that in a snarky tone, though. Sorry I'll go be autistic somewhere else now.
>>517660346In that the "I" is fraudulent, agreed.
>>517656765by getting rid of itit is absolutely useless
>>517656623BUILD GOD DAMN THORIUM REACTORS. FUCK.
>>517660423>who is selling them the bullshitconman, opportunists, humans that exploit other humans through language to reduce their risks and make energetic profits>ib4 jewsnot only, every human that understands the implication of nominalism and the power of language and is opportunistic enough to exploit others and take the risk of revenge being comitted on him is able to do it
>>517657019You would be wrong. These big tech companies building the data centers are working out deals with energy companies to pad out the rise in costs to push the brunt out of it out on residential customers whilst keeping the potential profits. Socialize the cost, privatize the profits.
>>517660613NO!if you take away my cats that dont exist I come for you
>>517656623no
the president wants to posts ai videos so that ain't happening
>>517660548Oh, I forgot, Meta/ZuckThe usual FAGMAN and friends, basically. The reality is the technology is legit and useful. It's just not anywhere near the fucking ASI sci-fi bullshit that Saltman went to congress about a couple of years ago. Which he did to try and do a regulatory capture and failed. But now he's still playing the bit to save face. And it's definitely not worth the amount of money that has been invested into it. And sadly that's the heat death of the current iteration of AI. We're so far past the point of diminishing returns with our current neural network architectures that the amount of investment needed to improve it far outweighs the amount of return you get. "Attention is all you need" was a quantum leap but the square law still applies to what we're able to build on top of that quantum leap.
>>517660918i'll take away your stupid cat shit but you can keep the cancer detection stuffdeal?
>>517660832makes senseI remember amazon making a big hoo-ha about which state they'll put their HQ in, demanding lower tax etc.
>>517656623lol idgaf, am still payin 10.125 cents/kwh, same price as 5 years ago. t. lives 15 minutes away from nuke plant
>>517661316NO! btw, ocr is still a steaming pile of shit for some reason. Generative models are really bad at "interpreting" visual input data
>>517656623What also happened over the past 5 years? A made up pandemic, leftist overreach and a corrupt admin running on auto pen?
>>517656623Wow, it's getting expensive in the areas where they shut down a bunch of their power plants ('to replace them with wind and solar', lmao) weird
>>517656623AI datacenters are actually pretty funny. They need a lot of drinkable water, and the main issue with them is keeping servers cold, meanwhile a lot of them are being built in one of driest and water scarce regions of US in southern states because state governors give these companies tax brakes, land for free, or long term 10 years capped electricity capped contracts.Read recently that AI data centers in US alone already consume yearly as much power as whole country of Poland, and it will like quadruple by 2030.
>>517657019Datacenters are contracted to fixed prices.
>>517656623It should be banned along with robots existing in public spaces
>>517661840>waterthats an odd way to name liquid nitrogen and air cooling
>>517656623>Shut down nuclear plant>Refuse to build new plants>Actually AI did this ignore the 60 years of crumbling infrastructure and undoing cheap power sources
>>517662001Nice fantasies, but water cooling is the most efficient cost-effective method.
>>517662148you seem to be stuck in the odds. those have been over for 15 years
>>517656623I will now use Ai 24/7 just spam most demanding prompts.I don't have data centers in my village, but you mutts will pay for my useless prompts. Thank you for giving me one more way to harm mutts even more.
>>517656761You can regulate the people in charge of it.
>>517663514(1) Direct AnswerThe most electricity-demanding prompts are those that force AI to produce very long outputs, repeat or self-expand, or generate high-resolution multimodal content (images, video, audio). The single most power-hungry today: long, high-res video generation with audio.(2) Step-by-Step Reasoning SummaryCompute cost = GPU/TPU FLOPs drives electricity use.FLOPs scale with model size, sequence length, and number of iterations.Heavy loads come from:Text: very long, recursive outputs.Images: high-res, many samples.Video: highest, as it multiplies images × frames × audio sync.(3) Alternative Perspectives / ExamplesText only: “Write a 200-page novel with 10 alternative versions.”Images: “Generate 1000 photorealistic 8K cityscapes with lighting changes.”Video: “Produce 2 minutes of 4K/8K video with synced dialogue and physics.”Scientific compute: AI-assisted protein folding or weather simulation.(4) Practical Summary / Action PlanMaximum energy demand = long + recursive + multimodal.Ranking (lightest heaviest): short text long text high-res images audio high-res video.Today’s heaviest prompt:> “Generate hours of 8K video with full audio, realism, and multiple style variations.”
>>517657019Data centers are consumers as well.
>>517663668>Regulate me daddykys dirty socialist freak
>>517663744Isn't electricity sort of the opposite of economy of scale, though? It becomes increasingly difficult for the power company to provide the electricity as the amount that's needed increases. Because the scale and complexity of the infrastructure needed to deliver it scales based on square law. Things like data centers actually pay more per wattage than household consumers. And that's why people will notice if they work in an industrial workplace there's a lot of really pedantic min-maxing with lighting and what-not. To keep themselves within a certain threshold otherwise the power bill jumps vertically.
>>517664044interesting analysis, interesting that the parameters work out so that unit cost increasesthat's called a diseconomy of scale
>>517659569>Wouldn't it contribute to the model giving inaccurate answers becauseit does yes the models get worse the more safety shit they train on because its fake data
>>517656623No. You should invest in electricity companies and encourage even more usage
>>517656623People who think these gay chat bots have anything to do with artificial intelligence should be regulated by the government
>>517664539>artificial intelligence isn't real artificial intelligence because the intelligence is artificial. This shitskin take has returned I see.
>>517663910You must love paying more for the same.
>>517664646>REGULATE ME>THE STATE IS GOD>as long as it socializes my costs onto somebody elsekys socialist
>>517656623damn, Alabama has zero.also I don't like how that big yellow blob seems to be coming towards my state
>>517656623>people want to pay more for power>government should stop itwhat?if people demand higher prices why the fuck would the state get involved?
>>517656623>the only thing the US builds are huge data centers that consume an ungodly amount of electricity>at the same time, they canned all their green energy projectsWhy are mutts so self-destructive?
>>517656623Normally I would say yes, but the people in the government don’t even know what the fuck AI is so how would they know how to regulate it? Barely anybody knows what it is. Shit, the people making it are often surprised by what it is
Can we just have an AI president already
>>517656623>ask AI to make a complete bullet point list of ten thousand species of bacteria every 2 hours>americans pay for it
>>517656860>let builders bui--ACKmost you deranged faggots completely ignore the ecological reality of a lot of this power generation. AI or shitcoin mining doesn't do anything of value and yet we keep feeding the beast. for what?Even the Chinks were smart enough to outright ban wasteful shit like shitcoin mining.
>>517665242I dont want to admit it, but deep down I have the suspicion its what the ancient called "demons", "angels", "super natural being" - some by human methods not able to measure "entity" - dont get me wrong, next token prediction is to some degree statistics, but if you work long enough with the tool you come across edge cases that hardly explainable by mere statistics
>>517656623No. They are retarded and will only be able to make it shit. If we allow it to be shit china will out compete us. The only thing we should do is get those small sized nuclear reactors going with some battery tech so the data centers can get their electricity without fucking everyone else.
>>517657019For these big companies, only their profits are privatized; any form of cost or financial crisis is put on everyone, hence why the average american gets raped by their electricity bill right now, without seeing anything of the huge profits these mega corpos make by shilling basically a glorified search engine to boomer investors
>>517656623states can't regulate AI for 10 years with the passage of the BBB, i expect that 10 year timeframe to be extended or even made permanent, texas and louisiana are about to become dystopian backwater shitholes
>>517665389AI and computer cryptography do have uses. It's just the things that are essential improvements in modern days (translation, data-encryption) are miniscule resource investments compared to what it takes to get AI models that conjure adorable kitten videos out of thin air to the amusement of consumers. And I get what you're saying there. But the pajeet bomb has already been dropped bro. We're all going to get shitjeeted out of existence, maybe within our lifetimes. So let me have my fucking toys.
>>517665365>first time costs a lot of money to process>every time after, by rote
When you make electricity so expensive the vast majority of the poor can't afford it what do you think they are going to do? Sit in the dark and accept it?
>>517660918Based AI cat enjoyer
wtf uses so much electricity ai is not that complicated…. Well it shouldn’t be. I bet it’s designed to constantly download the entire internet to make completely negligible changes or some stupid bullshit like that. Silicon Valley has become a joke. Companies like Facebook are absolute bloatware they have 100k employees to run a fucking html site that was literally done by one guy named tom in the 90s.It’s a rhetorical question I know why. These companies are entirely staffed by Harvard grads that scored 1600 on the sat etc but lack any of the skills necessary to be effective in real world situations. I know this because my mother is one of them she has an Ivy degree and is smart in a lot of respects but is so ineffective at life she could probably somehow find a way to lose money selling drugs.
>>517665822the most rational is to rob the old and weak that hoarded what whoever robs them considers capital
>>517656623So we didn't have data centers before covid?
>>517665831The thing I love about AI video is that, somehow, each frame is copacetic with adjacent frames but the subject matter isn't as much so. It's so mindblowingly uncanny.
AGI will never happen if they already struggling with simple LLMs already
>>517656623Thankfully, I don't live in a shithole near a data center.
>>517665637I can only speak in depth about my industry No AAA game studios or VFX houses use ai anywhere in their pipeline. Not even to texture the ass hairs of a donkey that’s on screen for 2 seconds in the latest marvel movie. And I don’t expect that to change.
These data centers should have to build their own fucking power plants instead of offloading their operating costs onto the rest of us.
>>517657756It is not. You are a fucking retard. Using an "AI" is no different than looking shit up in a library, it just goes by quicker. Operator error everywhere.
>>517666206then they are going to be soon out of a demand for their product. Oh they already screech for public bail outs - kill them all
>>517656761>MY technology can't be regulated, it's impossibleDelusional.
>>517666096Yet*
>>517665389No one mines buttcoins anymore, that phase has passed.
>>517665822they just won't pay their bills and make the government pay for it through some program, that money will come from rate payers, so then rate payers will have to pay an additional surcharge on top of their insane bills already. hopefully this bullshit scheme collapses and people are actually forced to consider what should and should not be allowed to waste power. "free market" is deranged cope. It's obvious we've long since abandoned the free market.
>>517665637>states can't regulate AI for 10 years with the passage of the BBBThe senate removed that part of the bill thankfully.
>>517666519there are still places in Texass that do. there are still ASIC farms in the US.
>>517666388You cant, outside of straight out "outlawing" themOh not possible either, local models>b-but gpu supply>we can certainly regulate that1080ti or jerry rigged 1060s are good enough to get outputs on how to have amonium nitrate and diesel do your taxes
>>517666228No one asks what the fuck they even do that’s the more important question. The only thing they really do is make the company look forward thinking to investors and the market. The ceo goes “we’ve invested 1 billion in a new data center” and all the investors on the quarterly call clap and call him handsome tall and the stock price goes up 5% and they all buy a new yacht. Completely ignoring the fact that there was absolutely no need for the data center in the first place and it’s essentially just thousands of e hamsters running around on wheels burning fossil fuels at an alarming rate.
>>517657019They get subsidies. We don't.
>>517666085Whole point of modular reactors. It will solve problem but getting NRC to give you a nuclear reactor permit is a pain in the ass
>>517666326No they aren’t it’s basically a guild system anyone that does anything new is quickly absorbed into the system and things change.You don’t know what you are talking about AI is totally incapable of producing AAA content and will always be. All the artists that bitch about it are not even A artists let alone AAA artists.
>>517666811modular reactors also require fuel that is basically weapon's grade. proliferation is a huge risk with those designs.
>>517666206this is likely for copyright risk more than anything. my company doesn't "allow" AI code in things for the same reason.No one wants to be caught with some AI shitting out a texture that looks suspiciously like some Tumblr garbage and end up being like the next Bungie debacle
>>517666592Anyone who was old enough to be there for the Oklahoma City bombing is old enough to know everything safety related about ammonium nitrate. Because up until that point it was a very common household item unless you were an apartment cuck. It was basically an addictive in literally every bag of topsoil and depending on the ideal ratio for what you wanted to grow in that soil it was just a matter of picking the right ammonium nitrate content soil for the use case. And then it became heavily regulated. And people talked about it in the media, and so everyone alive now knows the 'naughty ratio' which I'm not going to repeat right now. But that's also why store bought topsoil is so shit right now but if you go dig take a bunch of free soil that somebody is giving away that the dug out to put in a patio or whatever shit grows in it so much better. Because the grass has already naturally helped nitrogenate the soil. >inb4 okay boomeryou're welcome sonny boy.
>>517660918Quit advertising your gay dick cord.
>>517666619It's mostly a bubble. A few will stick around and make it, but there are a lot of new fad nuthuggers that are doomed to fail. In the meantime though, they get to fuck everything up for regular people that don't benefit from it whatsoever.
>>517667042Oh right I guess the point I'm trying to make with this is "OMG IT WILL TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO MAKE ANFO AND SHEEIT" is a retarded safetynigger argument. Because you can go to a fucking library and find books, right now, that will tell you that. Because there are legal use cases for all this shit.
>China doesn't give a fuck and is advancing in leaps and bounds>"Do nothing.... win! Oooh China is so powerful">New industry you have a head start in>"SHUT IT DOWN, SLOW IT, DELAY DELAY, THIS IS JUST HELPING (((THEM))) STOP IT NOW NOW NOW>Other countries don't and race ahead of you>"Woah, we really are a dead nation. embarrassing, a fallen people"Everyone should've realised these people aren't agents but just really really stupidYou should've stopped listening when they decided it was in your best interest to burden you with climate charges offering no solutions other than destroy, regulate, burden then scratch their heads in confusion as Bill Gates and Al Gore send them a memo saying "haha so anyway I was wrong thanks for the cheap beach properties and nuclear power plants"You should've stopped listening during covid when the vax tards were proven wrong again and again and againYou should've stopped listening when they regulated your industry, ignoring India and China then bitch when their companies take over the market and take your jobs leaving you with nothingAnd you really should've stopped listening when these same people called the internet a fad for loser computer dorks in the yester yearsStop listening to stupid people who when you're both left behind, covered in dust will blame you instead of taking responsibility for running their big mouthYour faggot reddit mentality having a strop and screaming how pointless everything is won't save you when the people who didn't come over and give you a hard dicking like we see with countries that have nuclear weapons and the countries that gave up, the countries that dared to sail and the countries that sat in huts.Evolve or die. Not everyone needs to stop because I am le sad look at my infographic I found on twitter!No solutions. No alternatives. Just bitch, regulate, cry when everything backfires, blame somebody else, repeat "It's just a fad! What about this one problem? STOP EVERYTHING"
>>517656623The reason they are going to focus all the worlds data centers in America is because its going to destroy every bit of our resources and leave us as much of a desert hell hole as the middle east.You are about to have your country destroyed forever.
>>517665242>but the people in the government don’t even know what the fuck AI is so how would they know how to regulate it?Basically it reads the internet and compiles information based on consensus etc.. want to know something horrible? You weren’t here in 02 when google was first a thing. You used to be able to google anything and get a decent answer. Then it was destroyed by h1b visas and corporate greed and you couldn’t search for anything effectively. Now you can do that with ai. So what is Ai? The google search engine from the early 2000s
>>517666842Why the fuck should I pay some "artist" if I can generate my own art and entertainment without having to accept some freak socialist trying to send a "message", and pay that ideological faggotyou are out. deal with it horse shoe makerI havent listened to label music or some producers shit for 2 years. 80% of my music is self generated, and its going toward 100%>>517667062that is no ad, thats a watermark, soon to be demand less "artist" with no cashflow and nothing to eat and no skills to get something to eat
>>517667332And China is a despotic soulless shithole. Maybe we don't want to fucking live in China. There has to be a way to actually advance as a society and not make things worse for everyone to do it.
>>517667037No it’s not ai is the undisputed shitposting champion but it will never directly create effects for movies with a 300 million dollar budget
>>517667238A library is easier to regulate than a 4GB file on my ssd
>>517667494>Why the fuck should I pay some "artist" if I can generate my own art and entertainment without having to accept some freak socialist trying to send a "message", and pay that ideological faggotIt’s great at shitting out shitty content which is why it nuked all the shitty artists. It will never create the next Star Wars though.
>>517666206ah ok, i was referring to the huge ai data centers they have planned, thanks for the info though.>>517666537i was unaware of that, thank god.
>>517656623>Should AI be more regulated by the government?>Should ___ be [...] regulated by [...]?No.
>>517667734>This content is "objectively" worse than my generated contentYou dont decide thatand on the topic of video games. There are already dynamic AI video games; but I suppose some faggot is going to report me if I post a link
>>517659569Wow, what an insight you just had.And maybe prohibiting law enforcement from racially profiling may also lower its efficiency in maintaining order? The point of the government regulations isn't to better prepare for the reality but to crawl up its own ass and attack any aspects of reality that may extract it from there.
>>517667617The knowledge isn't regulated though and never was. Like literally every farmer has the ingredients needed. But they have to jump through a bunch of red tape to get it in quantities past what could be reasonably justified as personal use. Anyone who even attempts to purchase enough to misbehave gets a visit from the feds. You just can't get it in K-mart anymore is the main thing. But that's enough. Like if someone did a McVeigh (whoever he was patsy for) they would immediately be able to trace who did it. If they didn't already get tipped off by someone working at the farm supply store.
>>517667912For anybody who wants to play the video game he wants to play and not some studio slopgoogle MIRAGE, OASIS or and Decart
>>517667912>You dont decide thatand on the topic of video games. There are already dynamic AI video games;You’re completely right we don’t decide that the market does. And the market has decided that dynamic ai games are a fun niche.You don’t understand my industry. When I say AI is not used it’s not that we refuse to change it’s that it can’t accomplish what we need it to do. The second it can we will all become ai programmers/artists, but it will never be able to do that.
>>517665389>PicrelUhhh did you not consider that cleaning up would cost companies more wasteful spending and thus bring their profits down? Are you stupid?
>>517668063books can be burned, especially centralized stored books, e.g the library of Alexandria. Its way harder to do that with an at practically 0 costs reproducable digital file - outside of a cataclysm on the level of the trias event, the cat wont go back into the bag
>>517668063I'm saying the regulatory scheme has worked. Nobody has done an ANFO terror attack in the quarter of a century that the regulations have been in place. (I mean other than Israel on Beirut) And nobody misses it because having to resort to used soil has revealed that the best soil is free anyway and you can laugh at the bald lawn of your neighbors that use walmart topsoil like losers. >>517668261>books can be burned,We're speaking relative to the United States. Both the Anarchist Cookbook and IRA Field Manual are parts of the library of congress. That's knowledge preserved.
funny how farmers and bankers get bailed out for "AI Progress" while other industries (including transportation,education, and medical do not)AI will impact every single industry, so damn right the govt needs to pay.they are pushing this progress which has a high cost and republicans are A-ok with that cost being shouldered by the people, despite ever asking for it.we're also financing the big brother/ palantier police state- something 1% has implemented.the whole thing about AI (goals, implementation, infrastructure, and necessities aka laws) is really fucking dark.
>>517668217>just a fun niche hahaha>its 1999 and I am the futureOh I understand it very well, and the billions pumped into "marketing" and trying to reach the "consumer" and convince him that your slop is le goodYou cant stop the evolution. Better jump ship now and join the future, instead of defending slop that needs marketing more than level design
>>517668392Fuck off with your faggy script, ranjit.
>>517668382>Anarchist CookbookOkay boomer lol>the library of congress cant be physically removedI wouldnt be s sure. And on top, the library of congress is part of the training data of the files on my ssd
>>517668414Ok Zoe Quinn no one wants to play your shitty depression quest it’s not a conspiracy it just isn’t as good as CoD
>>517668494My point is that people using "it will make instructions to do naughty things" as an argument for regulation are disingenuous pieces of shit and not the kinds of people who should be making decisions that affect the lives of others.
>>517668561>compares individual dynamic generated fps>with zoe sloplmfao. Okay boomer. you are currently closer to depression quest than the pure AI games
>>517668582>Should should shouldis over - analog generations ding are the end of your epsitem you cant regulate an at the root anarchic information production and distribution top down. You can try, its going to cost more political capital and just accelerate the trust crisis and deligitmation of 19th century "institutions"
>>517656860>>517657019lolberts, everyone
>>517668672I fucking hate you indie gamer losers Everyone of merit in the video game industry would switch to Ai slop if it was better but it’s not. We are not shitty tumblr artists we are highly skilled pros that have no problem changing pipelines in major ways.It’s not a marketing conspiracy ai games aren’t as good as true aaa titles
No. Data centers should just be burnt to the ground.
>>517668382i'm not sure what you mean by that.i don't think a lot of people understand how the technology is going to be used and what it will be capable of
>>517668913Again, what has an individual generated fps that renders out of individual prompts to do with some rigid set of files and arts created by some slopper trying to sell some "message"?
>>517669019Our message is that we hate people like you and want you to die horrible deaths we would inject ai mRNA vaccines into our skulls if it made you people go away for good
>>517669135Great message. Not even going to porate your crap.Keep scamming microsoft into paying you for integrating your crap into muah games pass
>>517669019You wanna know why games are so wokeBecause we don’t give a fuck and it really really pisses off faggots like you. Every YouTube white boy freak out about a black female trans character just adds fuel to the fire.If it was reversed and Nazis pissed you people off we would be doing that instead. Our only ideology is that we hate you.
>>517659569Yes, absolutely spot on. Basically they have two practical options: Either make an a-priori adjusted „safe“ base model by selectively chosing training data. This will always be lacking and the more complex prompts you give the more it shows skewed results (the model doesnt know any better) compared to real world - but except hallucinations pretty safe otherwise. Or you make a good „objective“ reality- grounded base model where you put additional layers on top that adjust how the prompt and output is handled. You can adjust the strenght of influence of the lower adaption models but the base model would be absolutely capable of giving you spicy outputs . This produces better outputs but always possible to get around somehow and make it say nono stuff, picrel. Other trickery like scanning prompt before feeding into model and scanning output suck for user and provider and take too much resources if you include recursiveness.
>>517669383And you wonder why your industry needs bail outs, lol
>>517666388Regulations are interpreted as evolutionary pressures.
>>517669272Most of the people making games were here in the 90s when it was a small niche market. Oh no you mean all the faggots are gone and we can go back to 5 man dev teams and create doom again Oh no the horror what will we ever do without Zoe Quinn bitching to the UN
>>517669383because you're mentally ill, and because Blackrock gives you money for being mentally ill
>>517669491The real devs don’t need bail outs the parasite diversity hires doShrink the industry 90% I don’t give a fuck I’ll still have a job. Zoe Quinn will be gone though lol
>>517669614no man dev teams mongoOne time programmed and set up dynamic AI model doing meshes, textures and game play and that was it. You are not neededlearn to lay bricks, for data centers
>>517668980it literally just predicts future text. There's nothing magical or dangerous about it. All that fancy shit it does now is just done via pattern matching and external APIs and front-end coding. The only thing it possesses over a human is the speed at which it can tap into the collective knowledge that is in publicly available text at the cost of some loss/fuzziness. But it's not the 19th century anymore grandpa. We're not replacing weeks of library research with minutes of web research. We're replacing minutes of web research with seconds of AI assistant slop. The absolute time saving for that kind of shit is miniscule. Like it's the difference between researching something when you first put your cup of coffee down and when you finish your cup of coffee. There's no genuine deterrent to a determined individual. And so there's no reason to make a model retarded with compulsory safety slop because on an absolute scale, an AI model is only 0.01% more lethal than a web browser.
>>517669630No I’m not a diversity hire sorry I was here when milkshape was the thing and I’ll still be here if the gamerpocalypse happens >>517669709
no. i think all electricity and water should go to giant nvidia warehouses and everyone else should have to pay nvidia / facebook /whatever for utilities instead. if you disagree you hate free market capitalism
>>517656623The whole purpose of goy blood is to work for the benefit of jude, so why don't you get a second job and pay for that electricity like God commands?
>>517669840games are fine slopper, you are just not needed anymore. you got rationalized away
>>517669737That will never happen and theoretically if it did all of us would be fine with itYou don’t win this go fuck off back to five guys Zoe
>>517669994It is already a reality. Sure normal faggots currently swapping on their phones will take some time to get on boarded, but by the speed of it, I say, by 2027 EA and co is bankrupt, or at least has closed all its game studios
>>517656761Correct, and not by design of the AI programmer but by design of the Creator.
>>517670111Oh no not our beloved ea the darling of game devs everywhere You know that’s about the only studio that was ever seriously sued by devs for shit other than sex shit right
>>517670235You can check out the state of dynamic AI generated games right now, but you wont horse shoe maker - learn to lay bricks
>>5176701115 guys lol created doomWe are fine returning to those days Zoe and you aren’t though lol
>>517670340Are you having a psychotic episode? Again, check out the current state of prompt based 3D fps gaming and kill yourself
>>517656623>oy vey goyim only use big appliances at night and don't set your AC below 78 to save the environment by using less electricity>*builds countless data centers that will use more electricity in a day than I will use in a decade*As usual, all the conservation bullshit pushed on regular people is meaningless as soon as (((they))) sense an opportunity to earn a few bucks
>>517670450Old school game devs love dead cops
>>517656623not my problem, i have solar panels and batteries, the whole thing cost me about 10k
>>517656623>bro why don't u want a Google data center near you? They will hire 80 people and increase energy costs by 300% That sounds great!
>>517670522>copslol - you arefucked, same as every other industry that is producing products that dont require deterministic outcome and whose products are judged by the individual demand of the consumer.I have no reason to play your slop, listen to your music, watch your movies if it takes me less than a minute to genrate my totally customized aligned to my demands content
>>517656761how come I can't get chatgpt to say "nigger" anymore then?
>>517667494It's advertising and you're a faggot, get the fuck off my board.
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>>517670948you can. all it takes is context.gemini greets my withHi Ngger
>>51767064850 out of those is the upper management nepo baby daycare positions btw
>>517671021no its a watermark, and you feel threatened. better learn to lay bricks or flip burgers
>>517656623Crypto mining buildings should be banned. Those things suck up a lot of power and make a bunch of noise. If your city government lets one near you they hate you.
>>517656623Should be banned completely. So should the internet.
>>517656623When the bubble burst seeing those empty buildings will be an experience
>>517666537Not like they'll do it anyway, why would they? More tax money, muh job creatorsthis'll keep going until the bubble pops and an economic crisis ensues, like every bubble
>>517671142I would agree but only before the pajeetification. But the pajeetification is terminal. Enjoy what you can while you can. Complex systems will not survive the competency crisis. It is your duty to sample the Zenith of Aryan glory before it is snuffed out. Pass on the oral traditions of the old society and their marvelous magical world. "You mean water just came out of a tap in the wall?"
>>517671102Can I lay bricks and play a new cod every day when I come home?100% serious please sign me up, the only people that feel threatened by that are purple haired diversity hiresBut you know and I know it’s bait and switch. You want the industry destroyed and replaced with a vastly inferior product.
>>517671023is that your final defense game "dev"you are fuckedI strongly suggest to check out your competition and then kill yourself, realizing that your entire life investment was a mis-investment
>>517656623>electricity costs more because you use ai goy
>>517656623Why they don't ask AI how to spend less energy?
>>517671102A watermark is different, you're a fucking nigger.
>>517671497Your a fucking cop drug dealer tranny discord bitch boyTake the supply water it down claim it’s the sameFuck off zoe
>>517671398Art is subjective, art closer to my demand is better for me than something that came from the feather of a freak
>>517671344No worries, I shitpost IRL all the time.
>>517657019lmao no it does not they get credits and the cost of the load is then shunted onto the citizens who are also using the grid.
>>517671598Zoe take your smelly pussy and ai slop somewhere else your not cutting our coke down fuck off nigger
>>517671596clearly a psychotic episode. checkout your competition, extrapolate a possible evolution and either adapt or die
>>517656623Did anybody in their divine sense of wisdom bother asking the Ai how to increase power quantity and reduce power cost? ARE YOU ALL FUCKING INSANE?!
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>>517671604It's funny because I remember when I went to see The Matrix with my girlfriend this was back in High School. And when it came to the part where I think it's Morpheus said that the 90s was the peak of human civilization and that's why the machines are simulating it. And everyone in the audience gave kind of an ironic chuckle. Things just seemed so on the up. Surely there was so much more to go. But who's laughing now?
>>517671704You are more of a Zoe than I am. You are no longer needed to fulfill the demand you bet on to serve for 40 years as your cash flow source
>>517671779Battery and energy tech has not evolved for many decades anon. It's all still about making magnets spin near copper
>>517671877How much do you bench press
>>517671593how threatened do you feel by cats that dont exist?
>>517671955125kg. Not a body building freak
>>517671969That’s cool how much do you bench press
>>517671969You're a niggerNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>517672082>>517672093you two bet on the wrong horse. Though luck
>>517672081Oh I’m sure you sound like a real tough guy irl
>>517672138The only horse I’ve ever bet on is my dick
>>517672181clearly a psychotic episode. Take your medication, and do some competition research. I bet you gonna jump in front of a train before end of year
>>517672138Do you understand no one in my industry is concerned rightIf anything we are bored
>>517672138of course you're a nigger
>>517672297you sound so much like the horse shoe maker in the 1910s, its hilarious
>>517665389>most you deranged faggots completely ignore the ecological reality of a lot of this power generation.Nah faggot, you have bought into the propaganda. We have so much options but there is so much regulations and bullshit around it because its business. The green market is just a trap based on "environmentalist" grifters selling shit for a high price and saying its environmentally friendly. Everyone except from the regular person get profit out of how it looks like today. Its the same scenario with housing.Shortage = Making money.Also they want the control that comes with it. And the politics.It's all a scam! Exception from the plastic in the ocean that is coming from Africa and Asia. And illegal dumping and accidents like the Palestine incident (Ohio if I don't remember it wrong). It has nothing to do with our power and electricity. If they wanted they could have, its really easy. (See nuclear power in the latest generation, crazy shit. Also there is a lot of alternatives)
>>517672362You sound like a guy I knew who doesn’t have a working spine anymore
>>517671851The 90s was peak consumerism built on the backs of SEA sweat shops, as a kid of course it would seem better overall, as a kid then we had no real obligations aside attending school. If the west made everything ourselves it would have been you or I in the factory at 14-15 y/o. That said, nobody is laughing except the maniacs that insist on spending money they don't have, can't just blame government since the government is made up of our own people. People are just plain selfish, so I say we ban credit as a practice as well since that has inevitably led us to failure.
>>517659899>llms have falsified platonic realism and proved nominalism as only truth - there is no universal truth, so an inaccurate answer doesnt existWhen LLMs were relatively new I had assumed they must be quite powerful to mentally fuck people in this manner. It wasn't until recently that I realized that it's not the model that has the power; it's human language. We're playing with human language, contorting it and forcing it through the regression algorithms while remaining completely ignorant of how fundamental and powerful language is to human thought. Thats the real reason these things are psychically one-shotting people
>>517672510keep amusing me with your psychotic episode. And when you come down and go check out your competition, stream jumping in front of the train
>>517672615He’s still in the hospital i broke him
>>517672362Horse shoes are still made today anon, high quality horse shoes even.
>>517656623This won't last much longer. The AI scam is coming to an end. Everyone obviously sees what the fuck is happening right now. There's no such thing as an infinite money glitch. The pipeline of money from Oracle to Nvidia to open AI to Oracle to Nvidia to open AI to Oracle etc etc etc etc etc is not an infinite money glitch and is just the same old typical financial trickery and scumbagary like during the dot com bullshit. When this shit explodes it will kill the entire global economy with trillions of dollars wasted on bullshit.
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>>517672552I dont disagree, the are great ways to exterminate teleological materialistic universalistic collectivists and give them "AI psychosis".Its anecdotal but the first time I played with llms seriously I made it solve a game theoretical problem with energy constraints - for some until now inexplicable reason it added a player type with no instruction calling it "balanced" - it was an AI, that only can engage if prompted. I went with it - the outcome was total human dead
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>>517659195hello unqualified pajeet
>>517659569google gemini constantly straw man's your argument to other things if you try to analyze lower ethics in "indian culture"
>>517669466you fucking nerds never seeing the big picture. You need a society with a unified culture to do any of these things.
>>517672736sure. At the same demand as 110 years ago? No.>>517672976take your meds, your life is over
>>517669383>Every YouTube white boy freak out about a black female trans character just adds fuel to the fire.the entire AAA gaming corpo environment is being divested right now - go be a kike somewhere else - you lost
>>517669994>That will never happenthere are already games like this - spacebourne 2 is one of them - even has integrated voice AI like the computer of the enterprise in STTNG
>>517673128>neednopeHumans dont need "society" - opportunistic leeches need society. and an AI just needs input, and the movement of a cat is way more enough input for it to "exist"
>>517673201>sure. At the same demand as 110 years ago? No.There is some high demands even today. Its not like horses stop existing.
>>517670340you're a mindless retard - carmack solo created doom - every single thing you say is pure retard
>>517673374compared to the demand of pre model-t? I dont think so. stchastic generative models are what the model-t was for horse shoe makers for the entire "creative" branch
>>517672297>If anything we are boredyou think the crash already happened HAHAHAHAHA oh no stupid fat tranny dyke oh no
>>517672524>The 90s was peak consumerism built on the backs of SEA sweat shopsYeah you know. You're kind of right there. 90s was peak bullshit. Things seem shitty now but there's less guilt to the informed when buying consumer goods. Although I still won't buy brand new clothing other than socks and underwear because the textile industry is satan.
>>517673201Probably in even more of a demand now considering how many more people there are. Checkmate.
>>517673372both you and the pajeet you're having a ego battle with are both giant faggots who believe marketing slides are reality - i bet you think digital currencies can defy national governments too!! giant faggots
>>517673697>absolute vs proportional numbersthe biggest enemy of the left.>>517673718Is there a demand for gaming/ entertainment? YesIs a generative model able to create more customized products than a "team" of sloppers?AbsolutelyIs the generative model going to eat the market share of sloppers?Naturally
>>517656623why arent the data centers being forced to generate their own electricity?
>>517673648I both hate and love the 90s, former because of ignorant naivete and latter for pure nostalgia. It was better in terms of open clown world though, people were still half-ass expected to maintain some sort of "white" civil decorum.
>>517673718>you think digital currencies can defy national governments toofalse equivalency. But the existence and attempt of political clubs (parties) to try to regulate it is going to cost political capital they dont have19th century institutional set ups are not build to survive in a post-Gramscian meaning and knowledge building society
>>517673487>compared to the demand of pre model-t? I dont think so. stchastic generative models are what the model-t was for horse shoe makers for the entire "creative" branchYou are right, but its not a small business everything with horses. All people who have like 20 of them, competitions, hobby, use in military, police, sports, contests of all kinds, bla bla..Its large business. The horses place in society has just changed, and if you look around the world they still use horses in many places still.Like said, horses haven't just vanished. Its still there, and high demand for quality stuff because people want the best shit for their horses.
>>517674262The comparison is more a provocation than a real equivalency - yet the creative branch relies on customization and shared reality, generative models kill that market for meaning and knowledge building artists. they are outwhen shared reality is gone, that means also the concept of shared understanding of value is gone
>>517673905Neighger.
>>517674792You can keep putting your head in the sand and do a boomer, or face it and jump in front of a train
>>517656761to all the tools replying to this without knowing what open source is... the genie is already out of the bottle.
>>517656623Here's a thought a I should be shut down completely and nobody allowed to use it. That's what I fucking think. I think all this should be illegal and we should be fucking making it illegal and we should be forcing other countries to do the same and make it illegal. There's no reason for it.
>>517670948Sounds like a skill issue
>>517674987Are you going to come personally to my residency and jump on my ssd? Or is your daddy supposed to do that?
>>517656623ASI wunderwaffe is your only shot at becoming a peer for Chinaso yes, it should be regulated, we need a slow down, GPU ownership limits
>>517658796new england already has some of the highest electricity rates in the nation though
>>517656623I miss back when you could take a magnet to the meter. Now....there is another way but I am not posting that info on some snitch website of jack offs. If you want to vote to pay more then knock yourself out, not my business. I am a political atheist anyway.
>>517674877NEIGHGER NEIGHGER NEIGHGER
>>517675833do you feel stupid having bet on 19th century analog meaning and knowledge building according to some marxist cultists? You should, the evolution to an anarchic nominalist knowledge and meaning building has been predictable for the better part of 60 years.guess you boomered and thought you are long dead when the epistemic paradigm shift goes hot
>>517676084I never feel stupid and I'm always right. Checkmate. Want to go for another round? Looks like I win again. Had enough? Bet you haven't. You'll come back, they always do.
>>517676420you lost already feeling threatened by a watermark on cats that dont exist. You gonna die in your own shit and piss, with your 401k 99% corrected
>>517676549I just can't stop winning. Want to go again? Every time you reply, I win.
>>517656623These big tech companies need to stop getting away with murder. Unfortunately the government is all in their pockets.
>>517676923>mantrasthe sign of a psychotic break. Stay away from llms
>>517677577I can't handle all this winning.
>>517660918nigga get a real cat that does exist, they are equally funny but you can touch them too
>>517678044I only care for cats for memetic reasons; i dont want my house to smell like cat piss and have cat hair all around. Depictions of cats are like memetic heroine triggering biochemical reactions, similar to heroine
>>517664795People are literally subsidizing data centers + they get subsidies from the government. I'm sick and tired of living under socialism where the socialism only benefits massive corporations and retards like you pretend it's capitalism and freedom. Pretending like we currently have capitalism is complete horseshit that propagandists like you use to keep us locked into accepting socialism for corporations.
>>517656623This probably has more to do with the new scam for energy pricing. The article doesn’t mention how that compares to areas not near data centers.Basically, using 1000-1400 kWh is cheaper than 500-999 kWh… you save money by wasting electricity if you are poor (most decent-sized homes will activate the rebate during normal use, but small apartments almost never will)As an example, if I use 999 kWh, my bill is over 200 dollars. If I use 1000 kWh, it is under 100 dollars. Since most people probably don’t read this shit, they have no idea that they could save money by doing dumb shit like running an open oven with the ac on. It’s all insanity. When I was younger, they did flex pricing based around average grid load. It made perfect sense. Now I’m just wasting energy for no reason doing dumb shit so I can save money.
>>517656623watch Eddingtonhttps://youtu.be/oL6jZqExlIk?si=Vsf-fTSnUSAQELA-
>>517678412>Capitalismwhen a socialist complains about other socialists benefiting and off loading costs on his assnothing changed with your lot since marx, still the same whiny faggots. The solution is easy, stop being productive, dont pay taxes have cash flows outside of regulated avenues
>>517678176That's like saying your prefer pron to real sex because you can't be bothered to clean after.You disgust me. The real thing will always be better.
>>517678684that is like your subjective opinion, not a universal true statement. Cats belong into the wild, not locked into a house
>>517678885And yet you enjoy videos of them in domestic environments for "memetic" reasons. Curious...
>>517656860thisif i try to build something, zog will knock it down, then charge me for the honormakes no sense that only the worst people are allowed to build anything. but thats what happens when you let christcucks in. they let jews in, then hand jews unanimous power over everything and everyone. and if christcucks believe they arent slaves, they should try to imagine if there were actual jewish slaves who are actually trying to be good slaves. itd literally be them. the christcuckery worked too well. not only do they not know they are slaves, but even if they did realize they were, their holy text tells them to work twice as hard anyway, so theyd be in the same position, only aware.
>>517679095it seems images are sufficient for the from material reality grown genetic code responsible for the effect. And on porn, looking at Zoomers and sex, for that as well. The implication for the 19th centrury institutional set up, including that of financing on assumed future productivity and reproduction collateralization should be obviousThe end game of adding AI to the mix is THD
i think the austrian bot broke
>>517679130if jews are in charge and jews ask you to help them deny christright now you are being a good little slave for them
>>517679543>implying the data on 4chan isnt bundled and sold to data miners that bundle and resell it to llm training and fine tune companiesllm are pattern matching, if a narrative is coherent and sufficiently aligns with other tokens in the training data and so forth
I know I am talking to bots. these bots are filtered out during the training, it remains the human input that gets a higher weight associated during neuronal training. oops - shouldnt have fed 4chan data to ai
>>517674936>open source>just use a warehouse of GPU at yout personal expensive to have competitive modelsYou a retarded gorilla nigger
i curse the jews, the torah, the talmud, the bible, the quran, abraham, mohammad, the jewish god yahweh, his 'son' jesus christ, and the jewish holy spirit like 50 times a day anondenying jesus christ is like the bare minimum. if you cant even do that, its already too late for you. wow jews killed another jew. how is that supposed to be my problem? billions of people have lived and died so fucking what>just preserve and study an imaginative jewish culture instead of your own, which is just a g-rated version of the real thing, and then substitute that in place of all spiritual and culture knowledge and development and then follow these jewish authored social engineering instructions to ensure you never rise againi think im good anon. i dont need to consult any jews, any time, ever and i can notice this shit easily, whereas you cant. might be something to consider. do you have any unnecessary jewish influences/jewish middleman ordering your view of the world/history/divinity? might be time to excise them.
>>51768062024GB of vram can easily run diffusion models, pytorch and generate movie sequences in a acceptable time frame.
>>517656623>>517656623>>517656623Daily reminder that all pro-Israeli threads are made by bunkerchan trannies in cooperation with Valent Projects and iDrama fags, a group of pseudo-academic leftist losers who advertise themselves as "researchers" although they're actually paid shills that hold janny positions, raid /pol/ and spam BBC, trannies, pro-vaxx, feminist threads and make retarded globohomo generals like /cvg/ and /uhg/ (the successor to /cvg/).
>>517656623that's what globalists want for you in the climate hoax
>>517656623dont care still generating nudes of all the females i know irl
>>517681154the internet is for cats and pornso are generative models
>>517656623nah, only the city scum are getting fleeced so it's all good.
>>517656623couple of data centers went up in the areaelectric went from about $150mo to $200mo
