You are not truly free until you live off the grid.
>>517662993>live off grid>display it for all to seethey aren't off grid
>>517662993These panels add up to what, under 3kwt at peak? In winter that should be barely enough to keep the lights on. Must be an American thing where they live on the same latitude as Sahara or at least the Med.
>>517663075this. the classic grifting off grid influencer paradox.
>>517662993>1 pallet of cheapo solar panels from whatever online solar company>Portable power station with a few kw battery>???I
its expansive to live off grid also not good for children once they get older and have to go to school...
>>517663075Go ahead and try to find them
>>517663284>3kw Even if they were 400w panels that's like 2kw max I believe. Same about latitude. The lack of insulation for their shack is telling. Maybe they use wood for heating.
>>517663284>These panels add up to what, under 3kwt at peakyes it's not enoughbut you can see the chimney, so they most likely heat+cook with woodall other electricity usage can be timed, delayed or sacrificedi live in southern Germanylowest months is typically January>~25kWh per kWp Solar>with slightly below 20kWp get ~500kWh in lowest monthalongside my heat pump I've got a wood burner for heat which I need to use 2-4weeks per yearotherwise purely off grid solar is not feasiblefrom mid February to mid November I've got plenty surplus electricity though
>>517663430>have to go to schoolkids don't have to go to leftist indoctrination centers in the US
>>517663430fuck children (not literally), in a future incel society the only disadvantage will be the absence of a pizza delivery
>>517663566I'd considered wood as a heating source but their "supply" would last them a week max in real winter. Though maybe they have a few more cords somewhere out of the frame.The chimney is mounted outside of the house which is also pants on head retarded from an efficiency standpoint, so I'm not expecting much. Really sus cabin. Either very mild climate or they have to huddle for warmth and replenish that firewood outside every couple of days + rationing electricity. Or, it's just a part-time cabin, a dacha if you will.
>>517663284They're even worse when you put fucking plants right in front of them lmao
>>517662993why not be connected to the grid so you can make some money selling the electricity from your solar panels? idgi are they stupid?
>>517663557>geoguessing isnt a thing
>>517663824>they most likely heat+cook with woodCook yes. Heating with a stove that has the outlet go directly into a wall is questionable though. This design betrays a smaller stove with little to no thermal mass. When the fire goes out it cools rapidly, and you really don't want to wake up every couple of hours every night to toss more firewood in.I'd say there's something missing in the pic.Either a lot more firewood somewhere, a field of solar panels or a petrol generator.
>>517663557What up nigger
>>517664054>but their "supply" would last them a week max in real winter.they probably have more wood somewhere elsethat's just the "don't want to walk far in cold winter nights" stashalso you get about ~1700 kWh of heat per cubic meter of loosely piled bulk hardwood timber ("Schüttraummeter" I don't think there's a short translation for this kek)so even with very shit insulation, they definitely need <10m3
>>517664277Yea it's probably not a biggie in the summer because there's obviously more sun and the angle is different. In winter, I assume, these crops are harvester or are eventually covered with snow. Honestly though I wouldn't put extra weight on a roof with almost 0 inclination in a snowy region though, what an odd place to grow plants.
>>517664278Niggers get nothing.
>>517662993I’ve appraised several of these btw banks are fine with you living like this and even financing itWell, Septic, LP tank, and modest solar array with marine batteries will keep you, and is sufficient for most lenders as long as public utilities aren’t available.
Water comes right up to the houseEnjoy your loud ass frogs all night longAlso snakes
>>517664567Reddit said it was fine
>>517664399>Heating with a stove that has the outlet go directly into a wall is questionable thoughwhy?mine looks pretty similarthat's just the standard chimneythe heat exchange unit is usually pretty compact next to the oven, takes like maybe 50x40x120cm (1.6ft x 1.3ft x 4ft roughly)>When the fire goes out it cools rapidlydepending on the oven design you can have a feeder that's good for a few hoursand if you don't have literal winds going through your rooms, it won't cool by more than 1°C/h>Either a lot more firewood somewhereyes 100%but they probably just live like shit as well
>>517664540>also you get about ~1700 kWh of heat per cubic meter of loosely piled bulk hardwood timberThat's a very rough estimate; most of the heat goes right out into that stupid chimney. A better stove would have the heated air traverse as much distance as possible while still inside the house, to transfer as much heat as possible, before exiting.OP pic is a thumbnail for a video featuring these hipsters, I'll go sift through it to see if they have more firewood somewhere.
>>517662993>YOU'RE NOT FREE UNTIL I SAY SO>DO WHAT I ASK AND YOU CAN BE FREE
>>517663557challenge acceptedhttps://youtu.be/OJZ2wRakOh0
>>517664898>why?See >>517665002>mine looks pretty similar>that's just the standard chimneyOk but that's inefficient.>the heat exchange unit is usually pretty compact More volume is better.>depending on the oven design you can have a feeder that's good for a few hoursI'm skimming through the vid right now and they don't.>and if you don't have literal winds going through your rooms, it won't cool by more than 1°C/hAnother rather gross estimate. Depends on temp gradient and r value of insulation greatly. >but they probably just live like shit as wellKinda roughing it so far yea.
>>517665002People that make shit like this have never had to clean creosote out of a chimney.
>>517664278Because you end up paying the grid not the other way around
>>517665443That design has been a staple in a region with some of the harshest winters, for hundreds of years.
>>517662993That's an outright lie. They still have to pay property taxes dumbass.
>>517665774Only if you telegraph your location.
>>517662993>planting tall grass right in front of the solar panels absolutely fucking retard>>517663075thisit's performative bullshit for clicks, clout, and attention disgusting
>>517662993Why are they growing shit on the roof? To keep away from wild animals? That doesn't look like nearly enough soil either.
>>517665216Ok the takeaways from the vid are:>cabin is in Ontario>cabin has a bunch of conveniences like a pc, washing machine, tv etc>panels are only 320W but the vid shows extra panels scattered around the property that they don't mention for some reason (they say they only have 5)>there's not enough electricity from these panels in winter so they also have a 3kwt (?) petrol generator>they have a water tank indoors that they fill with water from a pond with a pump; in winter they have to drill a hole in the ice to get the hose in>husbando cuts wood for a living; there's a bunch of firewood stashed nearbyBut wait, that's not all.>there is also a propane stove and a propane water heater>they shit in a bucket
>>517664890kek wasnt that around this time of year as well? fall/winter best time to plant rice and beans
>>517662993why are these retards growing stuff in front of the solar panels?
>>517665774I'm going to assume in the case of emergency they expect the state to help them? I'm all for someone signing a paper waiving their right to all state services and infrastructure including hospitals and roads to exempt themselves from property taxes.
>>517662993Each democrat voter that is violently murdered is one less race traitor. >>517663284I pray for your violent execution, moshie. I pray that your throat is slit from ear to ear, after you've been forced to watch your loved ones violently beaten and raped to death by a Palestinian.
>>517662993Im too poor to live Offgrid.
>>517666049winrar
>>517665002>A better stove would have the heated air traverse as much distance as possible while still inside the houseand why can't that be compact?heat exchange units for wood ovens are typically water based btwbecause that's how you can integrate them into your regular warm water supplyalso water is very efficient at transporting heat awaymine has a total efficiency of ~85%so only 15% of the generated heat gets lostwhich is useless because it's pretty cold by thenand again the chimney looks similar, because the shape / look of it has nothing to do to where it is connected to>>517665235>More volume is better.no, more surface is betterwhich you can get enough of with little volume>I'm skimming through the vid right now and they don't.if they don't have any storage in their forest then their wood is definitely not enoughI go through ~1-2 cubic meters of hardwood per yearbut my house is very well insulated and 20kWp Solar is A LOT more than they have
>>517663075Like "trad" wives who constantly film themselves doing supposedly trad shit.
>>517666035They played too much Minecraft.
>>517664399>>517664898When I was a kid in the 70s my family lived in a house with no electricity and no running water for many years. We used a wood burning stove almost exactly like picrel. We would cook on it and it was the only source of heat we had. At night we would all sleep around it. I know that you can put firewood in it and it would burn fairly slowly usually we would feed it in the evening and it would still be hot when you wake up in the morning. It retained a lot of heat just from the iron very efficiently and you could adjust the air to keep it burning very slow.
>>517662993Randy Weaver and his family tried doing that too
>>517666192Calm down, Johnny, I just left the flag on random. I haven't been south of 40th parallel in over 20 years and was baptized soon after birth. So far I've been assigned at least one isreal id as well as 2 or 3 US ones.
>>517662993>off the gridI can't help but hear "Jesse ventura" whenever I read that
>>517662993>>517663075THIS is off grid.https://youtu.be/wTT9IIVxonc
>>517666049holy kekthat's just sadso many easy improvementsbut they chose to live like 3rd worlders>>517666332>At night we would all sleep around iti still do thisnot because the house is coldbut because the crackling of the fire is extremely /comfy/>It retained a lot of heat just from the iron very efficiently and you could adjust the air to keep it burning very slowmodern fireplaces are pretty similarif it's well buildthough the heat exchanger is pretty good at sucking out a lot of the heat quicklyso the fireplace itself is only warm in the morning, not hot
>>517666035It's insulation if done right, but you need the whole roof covered in it with thick grass growth. You should be able to see the dirt.
>>517662993You can't be free if your house doesn't move
>>517662993any 'off the grid' fag who makes a fucking youtube video about it completely voids the entire premise
>>517666766*shouldn'tfug
>>517662993lol, i got a house out in the boonies, and one of the first things the spooks did was set up surveillance in one of the telephone poles, put fresh asphalt on the roads and build new houses in the neighboring properties. i tried to get away from everything, and everything followed me out here
>>517666757I'm convinced that these stoves are far superior to any fireplace for anything other than aesthetics. Modern fireplaces are absurdly inefficient.
>>517666332We had a similar, if less refined design, on our dacha, though seldom spent the night there outside of the few warmer months. On cold autumn evenings it was indeed possible to load it up before heading to bed and then wake up early to find it still slightly warm. But then again the house was insulated with sawdust and we didn't huddle around the stove but slept in separate rooms further away. Later on we added electric heaters.Also, those are some rough conditions for an American to live in. Appalachia, Mississippi or something similar maybe? These are the first that come to mind when thinking of folks in a disadvantaged position.I don't bash on solar and off-grid in general and in fact have been experimenting with adding some to our house as a backup for shtf but these things should be super handy for households that just can't have a power line routed to their houses. Imagine getting a few of those (plus a modern battery or two) back in the 70s.
>>517664278Idiot
>>517663557>Maybe they use wood for heating.That would explain the logs stored under the awning
>>517666827>be free>have to pay for gas and food>use parent's money
>>517666948>>517666766Picrel is aesthetic as fuck. I'd imagine it's a lot of work keeping soil from eroding but nice. It makes a lot more sense than the OP which is some plant that can hardly stand straight because there's not enough soil for the roots to anchor.
>>517666827In the USA at least, being in a vehicle is probably a time when you have the least amount of Rights in your life, short of being in prison. Being on your own land on the other hand almost always gives you even more protection than merely what's provided by the constitution. There is no comparison.
>>517664277calm down brotheres enough sun for everyonenamaste
>>517667160>these stoves are far superior to any fireplace for anything other than aesthetics. Modern fireplaces are absurdly inefficient.Yeah, fireplaces are a fairly inefficient design. Even those modern ones with glass and heat ducts.On a slightly related note, another thing often overlooked is the air inlet. Oxygen is one of the components required for fire to burn, but where does it come from? If it comes from inside the house, that means that the air pressure within the house drops and cold winter air is sucked in through all the cracks, creating drafts. From an efficiency standpoint, the air inlet for a fireplace or a woodstove is best placed outside, so that only the unheated air is used and none of the heated air is wasted.A house has to be vented now and then anyway, though, so I guess it's not all too bad.
>>517664890what are "plant allies" kekfarming produce?
>>517666766>how to keep insects in every crevice of your home year round and counting!
>>517665448>invest into being hooked up to the grid>set up switch to not draw power from grid only sell>profitit happens here
>>517667317>rough conditions for an AmericanNah it wasn't all that unusual to be honest. We didn't consider it to be especially hard living. Lots were far worse than us. People get a warped perspective and expectations because of TV and media.
livein,,subasement.,,,have BEST view.
>>517667911>often overlooked is the air inletIt's a good thought but you're far overestimating how aggressively the fires in these stoves burn and how much air they need. They're extremely well controlled with chokes for both air and smoke, they produce very very little smoke even with "dirty" wood. I would say 2/3 of the time there's not even flame inside the stove it's more like a bunch of hot cinders or "coals" slow burning. With it being raised above the floor and so tightly contained and compacted, almost all of the heat produced goes to heating the interior and very little of that escapes through the vent.
>>517666681Based and dickpilled
>>517662993off grid is a memejust live far away from big cities and you are good
fireplace,,,tomany trees=comfy winter.
>>517662993>what is battery backup
>>517662993>live off grid>goverment decides your grid is now theirs>say no>get Waco'dThere's no such thing as "off grid". There's only "the goverment doesn't care about me yet".
>>517668231Yes but in the JewSA they charge you for being connected.I pay $100 a month for having two meters from my power company, even if I used 0 power I'd have to make 100 a month just to pay off the luxury of being connected to the main grid.
>>517668222It's usually only common in places that get really cold so they have few bugs to begin with.
>>517662993The police come visit me sometimes but I just want to be left alone. The system is really not happy unless you're paying taxes. I make my own money my own way and they hate it. They hate that I can grow and hunt, they despise my independence. But I've never been more free, truly. Anons do not only dream of getting away. You can live it and it's awesome. Just get smart and get strong.
>>517668265>People get a warped perspective and expectations because of TV and media.Must be that, I'd had the impression that the 70s were the good old days when you could raise a family and afford a house as a sole breadwinner.Well, at least things have changed since, hopefully.>>517668815Oh, conversely, ours burned quite bright. The actual combustion chamber was maybe 20 liters in volume and with the choke fully open spruce wood would be completely gone within an hour or two. It's been a while. Didn't risk closing the choke much iirc out of fear of CO poisoning. A couple of decades ago neighbors had a big brain idea to leave their petrol generator running throughout the night, in winter. The generator itself was located under the building somewhere, in the crawlspace maybe. Gas seeped in through the floorboards. Didn't wake up. At least they went peacefully.Anyway, drafts induced by air being consumed by the fire are a thing. The faster one needs to heat a place up the brighter the fire has to burn and the more air will be consumed and therefore replaced. Just maintaining the temp it's probably not as noticeable.
sunlight,,heats my bed.
>>517666049That sort of building is a terrible design for off grid. I live part of the year in an Earthship in the SW US, at 7,000 ft elevation. It needs almost no heating. I burn about a face cord each winter, mostly just to warm up the bedroom in the morning. All my cooking is on propane.Living off grid requires sacrifices no matter what, but can be much easier if your home is designed for it from the get go. I can't imagine how much work it would take to heat a stick built US style house in fucking Ontario.
>>517662993No. You are way more dependent on way more.staff than when you are on the grid.You are only free when you live primitive live without thr need of running hot and cold water ,without electricity.
>>517663284It is a political propaganda and a way to make electricity more expensive for everybody.On grid is collectivism.Off grid is individualism.Thenmire people go off grid thr more electricity will get more expensive .Also I is type of add to push for solar panels mppt controllers batteries and and so on.
>>517662993so much squatting and pushing out logs i wonder if they do it all around the house in the woods or they have one designated hole under the toilet what, they have water? fuck that then
>>517663075many such cases
