Smarter than Plato. Smarter than Newton. Smarter than Einstein.
>>517680969Yes.
>>517680969i can agree ben franklin was smart but come on
>>517680969Nobody disputes that he was a musical genius, but that’s not the only type of thinker the world has or needs
>>517680969wtf? I love the heretic Bach, but Newton was the smartest. Your flag doesn't match your post! Are you a mudslime or are you a pajeet? You don't know history, that's for sure.
>>517680969Just your typical German.But yea, his music is awesome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15w5ophx5fQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_6ebDkink
>>517680969>Smarter than Plato. Smarter than Newton. Smarter than Einstein.Not as smart as Beethoven, Haydn or Mozart.
>>517681122that's sheet music in Bach's hand, mutt.
>>517681206Bach was better than those 3 combined...
>>517681177I mentioned Newton for bait purposes, but yes, Bach and Newton are quite possibly equals and no one else even comes close to their level of thinking. One can only imagine how the world appeared to such high-level thinkers.
>>517681191Thanks for the links. I just got done listening to this: https://youtu.be/JmWK22OrzmIToccata and Fugue in D Minor is mind-blowing.
>>517680969That's not a picture of Leonhard Euler.
>>517681287>Bach was better than those 3 combined...Bach was the greatest composer of his generation, mate, but not the equal of Beethoven.
*blocks path*
>>517682966>makes your entire world high voltage and deadly to expand the grid as fast as possible>country collapses because of poorly planned rapid expansion
>>517680969i like bongos
>>517681177Bach is basically the Newton of Music. And he wasn't a heretic, you papist.>>517681206All fantastic, but Bach is next level.
>>517680969even modern music is half Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E8HUjxroFA
>>517680969I unironically think Bach was something more than human, he was part divine being or something
>>517680969Close.
>>517681191Bach is God, and Gould is his messenger. Art of fugue is the GOAT.
>>517680969He had lots of kids tho
The Allegro will blow your socks off!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfkKm-dvTvY&list=RDJfkKm-dvTvY&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAafyK44fCc
>>517687454https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDXznf-sk-g
>>517680969This guy eats them for breakfast.Speak up fella..."Live your life as an exclamation rather than an explanation."
>>517687232>Gouldthe definition of based retard
>>517687454Why are asians so good at interpreting Bach?
Chopin shits on this nigger
>>517688506You wish, polecuck.
>>517681191>posts the most generic shit everkys npc
>>517688321Have you ever listened to him give an interview?He was the opposite of retard, the dude was a hyper-autist. If he never had a piano he would have been super villain or something.
>>517688611Low IQ Jew
>>517680969Real chad come through.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkNMv9AND1k
wow they discovered a new bait format
>>517680969looks like he just smelled a smelly fart
>>517688483Perhaps it's the crossover with their higher maths and analytical ability. But strange how they have never composed anything similar.
>>517688828He recoils in the presence of us mere mortals.
>>517681482>Toccata and Fugue in D Minorit is disputed that Bach even wrote that
>>517680969You know the most underrated genius is, its Enrico Fermi, he only lived to 53 but basically solo invented nuclear power and the nuclear bomb and made significant contributions to the development of statistical mechanics, quantum theory, and nuclear and particle physics.
>>517688055Wonderful stuff, thanks.
>>517688951You will live to see the authorship of all bach's work be disputed
not a fan to be honest, it is all try hard to ape the french and italian by krautsdo not like mozart he was dicking aroundwagner is interesting because its distinct german that has at least character
>>517688634super villain is right, no one distorted Bach's legacy in such a malicious way as this troll
>>517689519Gould's left hand was more based than your entire family treehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoPg5ANU6Ro
>>517681536>but not the equal of Beethoven.Of course he isnt equal whens hes better than Beethoven and two more composers
>>517689987at least I have one, mutt
>>517689267You guys are still nazis because you like wagner so much
>BRUTALLY MOGS INTO THE BLACKEST PIT OF TARTARUS every composer ever:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTXFAZwoCi8...But you have to be a 174maxxing chud'n'bass swirecel to listen all the way through (skip to 1:51 to get past the intro)
>>517684051Greatest genius of all times!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIoww5DdXGM
>>517688506Chop's not bad either but wasn't as productive.
>>517680969Wrote the Well Tempered Clavier.And over 1000 other pieces.Built his own instruments.Hired by royal courts.Worked for God.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9ufdApdX4
>>517688925(From Autobiography of a Yogi)"Three scales—major, harmonic minor, melodic minor—are the only ones which Occidental music employs, but Indian music outlines 72 thatas or scales. The musician has a creative scope for endless improvisation around the fixed traditional melody or raga; he concentrates on the sentiment or definitive mood of the structural theme and then embroiders it to the limits of his own originality. The Hindu musician does not read set notes; he clothes anew at each playing the bare skeleton of the raga, often confining himself to a single melodic sequence, stressing by repetition all its subtle microtonal and rhythmic variations. Bach, among Western composers, had an understanding of the charm and power of repetitious sound slightly differentiated in a hundred complex ways."
>>517694023Nothing even comes remotely close to European music. Not even close.
>>517688506Chopin himself would disagree with you. All he ever played besides his own original stuff was the Well Tempered Clavier. Freddy was a better melodicist thoughever.
>>517694328I'm more referring to Indian music’s spiritual aim (inner) versus European music’s (outer) technical/harmonic richness. The two traditions don’t really compete on the same terms. European music is indeed unparalleled in its development of harmony, orchestration, and symphonic complexity. Indian music evolved with a different purpose, however — it isn’t about layered harmonies but about melody, rhythm, and using sound as a path to spiritual realization. You can't dismiss Indian music simply because it is different; its purpose has never been the same.Sanskrit texts describe over a hundred talas and emphasize how rhythm is tied to human breath and movement. Sanskrit literature describes over 120 rhythmic cycles. One example is the triple time of respiration during sleep — inhalation twice as long as exhalation. Rhythm in this sense isn’t just a musical device; it reflects the human existence.
>>517695454True, but to come back to the thread's proposition, in terms of sheer genius, Bach, and generally Western classical music, is far superior to Indian composition.
>>517680969As someone who has studied physics and philosophy at university level, you are correct. Never in all of history has there ever been a man who was more a master of his craft than J.S. Bach. The more you study music, the more discover how ridiculously good he really was.Picture a painter. With his right hand he paints a beautiful painting on glass, at the same time as he paints a completely different painting with his left hand on glass. After he is done, he has made two great paintings, as he proceeds to put one on top of the other, the combination of the two making for an even greater painting. Then he rotates one 180 degrees, which makes for an even greater painting.This is Bach.
>>517697053>took intro to physics >took into to philosophy Shut the fuck up faggot
>>517680969You guys always pick the stuffiest baroque music to champion, just proves you have no idea what you're talking about
>>517681287Bach never produced a piece of music as magnificent as Beethoven's 9th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPj0tyau0hwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt992h55nMYFaure considered himself mostly non-religious
>>517681167This.
>>517680969smarter than einstein is an insult to anyone described that way.
>>517697755Sad.
>>517697053Well said, anon, nice image.He was a great improvisor, legendary (one improvisor duel mate ran away during his performance). The mathematical dimension is unbelievably complex (the fugue voices are related sometimes twice as slow or pitched up or down, in his canon's sometimes backwards! And still the music is beautiful and often glowing with a deep spirituality and , to me, love of God).He composed fugues on the spot based on the King's melody (that seems impossible for most men). Don't forget he was a chad with 20 children and the records show he got in trouble for having unaccompanied "strange maiden" in the organ room,But let's get a shout out to Riemann, dead at 39, Laid the foundations of Riemannian geometry (crucial for Einstein’s general relativity), revolutionized complex analysis (Riemann surfaces, Riemann mapping theorem), advanced Fourier analysis and integration (Riemann integral), and posed the Riemann Hypothesis. A great original mind.
>>517689267go back to your shithole, you nigger
>>517680969NOPE I AM I JUST FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET FREE ELECTRICITY IT FUCKING WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>517702377The meter thingy if you pull it straight back it just pulls right off and then you can jam a pair of scissors into the electrodes and it works great!!!!!!!
>>517702495and the other side you can use a piece of coat hanger but dont do that for the red side remember red means hot so use the scissors because it wont shock you when you insert it
I thought picrel was the last man to know everything?
>>517702116>be absolute peak musician/composer>mog the fuck out of your competition>marry young, have seven kids>wife dies, is sad>marry a notoriously hot woman half your age>have 13 kids with her>several of your sons become famous composers in their own right>your music is revived decades after your death, and you become the most celebrated musician who has ever livedBach won at life.
>>517680969i waited thru the 120 second wait time to say you are correct.
Out of 3 greatest composers of all time, two were jewish. How come, /pol/cucks??>Mahler>Schoenberg>Reger While I enjoy some baroque music and a lot of Bach, Bachfags are insufferable, and normalfags who can't name more than 3 composers, even worse. Bach was mogged by Mozart and Haydn in form, and both form and counterpoint by Beethoven, let alone Reger.
>>517703148lolis this the most delusional post of all timestay in your jewish desert shithole and take your "music" with you
>>517703256Schoenberg is worshipped by Vienna and Mahler is worshipped worldwide. Academics and high IQ Bachfags know Reger perfected counterpoint.
>>517681206>beethovenOkay maybe>mozartBro come on>haydnOkay you're trolling
>>517703388
>>517691262tolkien plagiarized the ring cycle and made it woke
>>517703405bach was the greatest ever. that said, i like händel, too and purcell maybe. einstein was an impostor. /thread
think again...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXh5JprKqiU
>>517703405Mozart was arguably more talented than Bach, though it's of course hard to know for sure, but his output suffered from worse living conditions, worse work ethic, substance abuse and an early death. After all is said and done, Bach's body of work remains more impressive overall.
>>517680969I'm not familiar with Bach's non musical writings lol.But the greatest musical genius? It's a toss up between Bach, Handel and Mozart. Mozart is my fav, but there's def an argument for Handel being the greatest.
>>517680969And he was trans (the wig)let that sink in
>>517680969I like Bach but if you compare his works with some others it's not that mindblowing.Ofc a lot of them came later so that's a factor but still
>>517703856Handel was greater than Bach.
>>517699294Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Air on G StringBadinerie is my favorite though, idgaf what anybody says. Also Bouree in Em
>>517704443Bach was super influential https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E8HUjxroFA
>>517703148Link the greatest piece for each
>>517704481yes, maybe. fair to say, both were rather good, came from different backgrounds and made music for different purposes. church and king's entertainment can't be compared. i love both.
>>517704659Cool but that doesn't refute my point
>>517680969Vivaldi wants a word
>>517704778I like this one from Bachhttps://youtu.be/hp53Jh6qO6Q?t=27
>>517705139This 4 Seasons are unmatched in my book
>>517705343That's not what I asked but I did listen to it and didn't find it special
>>517705552youre a troll
I'm a composer on piano, what are the kinds of pieces you would like to see? Describe beyond "sounding good."
>>517705139If all of Vivaldi's work was on par with his Op.3 concertos, or concertos 1-4 of Op.8(4 Seasons), then he could be considered for the top spot.
>>517705622I started listening to it and stopped after 20 seconds. It's unimpressive.Try this anywayhttps://youtu.be/WMLSwqAOzHo
>>517705655Ominous
The master of those who know
>>517706185>20 secondsits 90 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN0CTQWlGGQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I840Brs0UKM
>>517706335Because I know the piece and I don't find it special, just let it go4 Seasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Branderbug
>>517706260What does Aristotle music sound like?
>>517706430that doesnt mean its unimpressiveyoure a troll
>>517706467“Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul; hence, when one listens to music that imitates certain passion, he becomes imbued with the same passion; … In short, if one listens to the wrong kind of music he will become the wrong kind of person; but, conversely, if he listens to the right kind of music he will tend to become the right kind of person.”Vivaldi always puts me in a whimsical mood
>>517704778https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2y5Ntys6gUhttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8PhXx9YaysDWJ5ih_2mQLiOMX0_9h9pIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Z40SJg4GA
>>517680969>Smarter than Plato. Smarter than Newton. Smarter than Einstein.DId anybody pay the fucker? Somebody should pay the fucker.
>>517706920Well I thought the best pieces as in when you want to show how good Strauss is you link "Also Sprach" or "O Fortuna" for Orff or "Valkirye" for Wagner and so on but OK.I'm listening to something else rn but I did sample it shortly, I know it's not representative but anyway, I can hear what Mahler wants here but it sounds disjointed (inb4 he wanted that) and Reger copies Bach's Fugue. Neither sounds very original to me. Schoenberg is at least sick and original. Not trying to be a dick here, just stating my first impression, I do appreciate the links I will check them out fully tomorrow.
>>517706849Aristotle is a My Fatherland | The Moldau type beat
>>517681191Aside from a few places here and there I can't get into classical. Vivaldi is the only one I genuinely enjoy, which is odd because he's a hundred years older than the other greats but his stuff would fit right into a movie made today.
>>517680969That's not Benjamin Franklin
>>517708468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrVDATvUitAhttps://youtu.be/NlprozGcs80?t=3
>>517680969If he was so smart, why did his mother's cunt smell like a nigger? Checkmate.
>>517681398What genius the past had. And this was in the past with less than we have now. No virtuosos for some time now. Maybe because we shifted to different larger goals interests and talent simply shifted, largely just great genius was attracted to the latest evolution of thought and expression. Genius may be inherent but without gorm until it experiences its reality.
>>517686945based Gauss poster
>>517687232Gould made performing Bach on a modern piano make sense.His final recording of Goldberg Variations is very moving. His frail hums coming through on the quiet parts. His body breaking down as he plays. It captures the spirit of the piece much better than his earlier recording. As the piece was written for a dying man who’s mind and aspirations were driving him crazy.
>>517708468It's because in classical music you shouldn't really go for the composers but rather for pieces. Any one of the greatest ones also has a ton of boring stuff
>>517688611>Why don't you listen to dolphin farts recorded through tea leaf reading like me you ignorant pleb!Your taste is retarded and so are you
>>517680969what did he invent? or is he a genius in the kanye west sense
>>517681520Cool robe.
>>517709234He literally wrote 15 inventions
>>517681482>Toccata and Fugue in D Minor is mind-blowing.He basically invented prog rock 250 years before everybody else.Then he wrote this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PkD47rNkfY&list=RD1PkD47rNkfY
>>517709656how many raps did kanye invent? im more accepting of the idea that kanye is a genius than bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjnyAx0CD4Yclassical and metal are both the tabernacle of midwits
>>517709991>how many raps did kanye invent?You asked what Bach *invented*15 Inventions, literally"Raps" are not "Inventions", they are rapsAre you stupid
>>517681239He is saying Ben Franklin was smarter, faggot.
>>517710200so what were the inventions of bach?
>>517709991>classical and metal are both the tabernacle of midwitsImagine posting this
>>517710266i dont have to imagine it i did post it i can support it as well if you like. they are both "safe" genres of music, its hard to really go in on someone for listening to classical or metal, so people without the wit or physical strength to defend more individualistic risky tastes flock to these genres you are so much of a pussy you wont even show your flag for instance
>>517708793Men of his time had more hands-on work to do. Nowadays it’s all invisible software.
>>517710251Literally "Inventions", he wrote 15of them. I'm not talkining about raps, concertos, fugues, I'm telling you he wrote 15 In - ven - ti - ons
>>517710504i keep asking you to name them and you keep balking, is it because these "inventions" are really just new ways of understanding music? he was a musician, thats all. everyone acting like this shit is really good to their modern ear is gushing about the naked emporers new clothes, they are wearing the costumes of intellectuals because they are insecure about their intelligence and for good reason to in my experience they are stupid people who cant even hold an intellectual conversation without getting hyper emotional.
>>517695454Indian music is the 'genre mania' of classical music
>>517710633>good reason totoo*
>>517710633>i keep asking you to name themI just did. "Bach's Inventions".You're black, aren't you.
>>517710812i dont mean invention in that sense, i mean invention in the sense of some good that improved humanity as a whole. he was just some faggot who wrote pianee songs
>>517709991>metalThe only good metal is NSBM and Nile (the only death metal that isn't classless cringe)
>>517710349>classical is safeLaughs in John Cagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWVUp12XPpU&list=RDAWVUp12XPpU
>>517710888im heavily generalizing here in case that wasnt obvious there are exceptions to the rule especially people who dont stick to one genre of music but are free to branch out. its mind boggling the sheer number of people who will not listen to music that sounds good to them and will listen to music they unironically dont enjoy in order to remain in some highschool style clique or social category into their thirties and forties, dreadful people
>>517710965im not speaking to the arrangement of the music itself but the social implications of listening to each respective genre this is the most important aspect of discussions like these and it gets ignored. people listen to classical for the same reason people spend hundreds of dollars for a plain white t-shirt from a designer it is social signalling, there are some classics that i enjoy but as a whole i find it simplistic compared to hyperpop even (your revulsion to me mentioning hyperpop in the same sentence as classical is the exact "safeness" or "Danger" i am referring to its about opening yourself up to criticism)
>>517710885He invented a new tuning system that was better than the previous one but eventually got replaced by 12 TETWhat did Kanye invent
>>517710965That's just retarded though
>>517711158neither kanye nor bach invented anything of note, they make music
>>517697053Sounds like self aggrandizement by proxy. Like a wine taster describing the dog fart in the field the grapes the wine was made of came from that gave it it's special aroma.
>>517711129Hyperpop is a micro aggression against trannies because it's existence puts them into 'a box'
>>517710633>he was a musician, thats allMusic is a language. But, unlike other languages that use symbols to stand in for concepts and can therefore be misinterpreted, music speaks directly to the emotions. It's why everybody understands and likes music (they may not like "your" music, but I don't know a single person who dislikes music per se).People who can speak this language are called musicians. People who can say new things in this language are called composers. Bach was a composer, not a musician. Think of it as the musical equivalent of poetry.
>>517698290Youre a fat nigger.
>>517711158>>517711235look im being pedantic about the difference between artistic "Genius" and actual "genius" its not that deep. but i worked a blue collar job that involved going into customers houses every single day and the customers who played classical while we carried refrigerators into their house were obviously putting on airs trying to appear as smart but there was never any evidence they actually were. the people i knew more closely in my life who enjoyed classical were in a sense all remarkably unremarkable they had no interesting opinions or insights, could not hold their own in conversations, their love for classical always seemed to me put on and an attempt to hint at an intellect that they lacked and were subconscious about. midwits listen to classical music eating at the dinner table with fine silverware actually smart people are doing whippets and listening to whatever. we dont live in a meritocracy
>>517711129>the social implications of listening to each respective genreNo-one I know socially is aware that I listen to classical music. I just enjoy it for itself, not as a cool cultural skinsuit.You sound very insecure.
>>517711216You would have to understand what music is for to understand why it's not.I would stick to europop if I were you.
>>517711235You didn't answer if you were black so I guess that's a "yes"I just told you Bach invented a tuning system, stupidAs for the comparison of Kanye and Bach as "genius" it's just fucking hilarious. I'm not saying this bcs Kanye is black, there are plenty of notable black musicians/composers, Davis, Hendrix, Joplin, Ellington, Lonnie Johnson, BB King, Hooker, take your pick, but Kanye is a dumb nigger who had one edgy song and that's it. He's not even as good as Tone Loc or Run DMC.
>>517711484What do you call people that talk to each other at dinner and there isn't any music
>>517710349sanest schoenberg respecter
>>517711354well consider this anon, if we liken music to language, or even better "story telling" wouldnt you say that old stories have their place but as a modern man you have seen the tropes used in those stories COUNTLESS times, youve seen the twist in old stories retold and subverted and then retold again because they are old right? music is the same, i dont find classical stimulating because the emotional turns are too predictable because as a modern man i have access to music that has been built up from classical for hundreds of years. its the Seinfeld effect basically (ironically i dont think seinfeld was victim to the seinfeld effect it genuinely was not that well written though i understand its appeal as a proto friend group simulator)
>>517706849Hence why listening to rap or normie slop music is bad
>>517680969That's not a portrait of Euler, though.
>>517711509>No-one I know socially is aware that I listen to classical music. I just enjoy it for itself, not as a cool cultural skinsuit.>You sound very insecure.well if you dont listen to it exclusively this post isnt for you i already said i was generalizing and there were exceptions and i even said there are classics i enjoy like chopins nocturne
>>517711616>You didn't answer if you were black so I guess that's a "yes"you guessed wrong stupid
>>517709991So many nigger lovers on /pol/
>>517711617>What do you call people that talk to each other at dinner and there isn't any musicmom and dad usually
>>517690788I have a left hand, too!
>>517711810anyone who sacrifices his material comfort to venerate hitler and point out the enemy of mankind ceases being a nigger in my view and ascends to the level of "negro" >>517711810
>>517711610Lmao what a faggotCage "wrote" a piece in which there's no music in some avant garde attempt to be edgy but there are retards out there (You) who will actually put on 4'33'' and unironically listen to it pretending that that silence is somehow divine compared to any other silence.Fucking hiarious.
>>517711129>criticizes someone for listening to classical music>”you listen to it because it’s safe from criticism!”depends on context.it makes sense calling someone out for larping as though they enjoy something when they only enjoy what it signals.but saying everyone who enjoys the thing only enjoys what it signals is retarded.also i don’t listen to classical it’s boring to me personally, i like boards of canada, but classical is objectively much more complex in arrangement than modern music of any genre.
>>517711669Your problem seems to be that you think of classical as "old".People are still writing classical music now, you know.And anyway, liking old classical music doesn't mean I have a dusty soul. I listen to the Beatles, and they were around more than half a century ago.As for the faux intellectualism argument, you may want to wonder why these "poseurs" have such nice houses, stuff and lives.The rise of western rational civilisation mirrors the complexity of musical creativity. There is a lot to the argument that complex music like classic and jazz actually makes us more intelligent as individuals and culturally. Which means the "ugh, wassa" musicallity of a lot of rap is, conversely, making us all stupid.Could it be that rap and other simplistic, atonal music is helping cause the fall of civilisation itself?
>>517712092>it makes sense calling someone out for larping as though they enjoy something when they only enjoy what it signals.>but saying everyone who enjoys the thing only enjoys what it signals is retarded.fair but i was generalizing>>517711000>im heavily generalizing here in case that wasnt obvious
>>517712177>Your problem seems to be that you think of classical as "old".>People are still writing classical music now, you know.and people are still larping as civil war soldiers i still prefer to heat my home with propane to a wood burning stove and would argue its objectively superior
>>517711753>bringing generalisations to a specific argument.OK. I'l just ignore you then. Dumbass.
>>517699294“The Chaconne is, in my opinion, one of the most wonderful and most incomprehensible pieces of music. Using the technique adapted to a small instrument, the man writes a whole world of the deepest thoughts and most powerful feelings. If I could picture myself writing, or even conceiving, such a piece, I am certain that the extreme excitement and emotional tension would have driven me mad." - Johannes Brahms on Bach's Chaconne in d minor
>>517712241in a way this reminds me of talking to an old friend of mine, he was probably fifty, i love him to death but unironically probably 85 IQ if you put a gun to my head and made me estimate, he would go on and on about guitarists likeStevie Ray Vaughan and i was learning guitar at the time and the more i learned the more i could appreciate their talent on a TECHNICAL level, but i still respond more naturally and readily to simple emotional melodies. its hard to explain how this is related to the conversation but it relates
>>517712290ignoring me is what caused you to be mistaken about my position in the first place i directly stated i was generalizing and its because you have the exact autism i accuse classical and metal heads to be afflicted with you didnt sus that out right from the jump
>>517711920>there are retards out there (You) who will actually put on 4'33'' and unironically listen to it pretending that that silence is somehow divine compared to any other silenceI play classical guitar (45+years), and piano.And no, I don't listen to 4-33 and pretend it's somehow clever. I posted it as an example of how classical music is not "safe". Or do you not know what avante garde means?You sound about 12yo.
>>517702868/thread
>>517711129>people listen to classical for the same reason people spend hundreds of dollars for a plain white t-shirt from a designer it is social signallingdifferent people listen to different music for different reason, you are coming off as a bit of a churlish hot-head herehyperpop is awful when it's not being ironic and making fun of itself as it is aware of how bad it is>>517711484again, massive generalizations throughout>>517711669big whoop, if you overstimulate yourself with something it gets boring and you look for something new. there is a lot of classical music out there to explore, but the big composers and tracks are big for a reason. have you tried composing your own? please post it.>>517712241current thing brain and false equivalency. can you really liken the progression of compositions over time to the advancement of technology over time? do you really believe the universal appeal of the greats of classical music will wane? you have to be a brainwashed extremist with a heart completely filled with hatred of Europeans to go down these pathways.
>>517712513i listened to 2 seconds of it, said to myself "what the fuck am i doing i know this is going to be boring" and closed the youtube video without even knowing it was gonna be four minutes of silence, this is exactly the kind of pomp im referring to surrounding classical music, meanwhile ive replayed the ye heil hitler song three times since i posted it already
>>517712629>>people listen to classical for the same reason people spend hundreds of dollars for a plain white t-shirt from a designer it is social signalling>different people listen to different music for different reason, you are coming off as a bit of a churlish hot-head herei have pointed out countless times already i am consciously generalizing and there are exceptions to the rule and that im not even referring to people who listen to classical sometimes and that i enjoy some classical >>517712629>hyperpop is awful when it's not being ironic and making fun of itself as it is aware of how bad it isthis alone tells me im not referring to you, you are willing to stick your neck out there socially in defence of a misunderstood genre, sorry for making fun of your memeflag
>>517712241>and people are still larping as civil war soldiersThis would be a fair argument if modern composers were just copying the syle of those from long ago. But, like all musical genre's, it's evolving.You sound like someone who just makes up arguments just to prove what you already believe.A closed mind, in other words.
>>517680969that is not euler
>>517712498>mistaken about my positionNah. You're just a needy egotist.
>>517712757throw me some modern classical ill listen with an open mind, i already said i enjoy some classicsi enjoy simple emotional melody driven music if that helps you select
>>517712818this is a completely off topic thread im doing my best to derive some kind of meaningful conversation from it, and i think that focusing the convo around what socially compels people to stick to certain genres is the best way of doing that
>>517712642>this is exactly the kind of pomp im referring toYou called classical music "safe".How "safe" do you think the composer felt when this was premiered?You don't even seem to understand the meaning of the words YOU are using.You're an idiot.I'm done with you now.
>>517709205That isn't true for vivaldi though, his stuff is great all the way through.
>>517708592Ben was smart af, but he wasn't the towering genius that Bach was.t. actual descendant of Ben Franklin
>>517712513>I posted it as an example of how classical music is not "safe".4'33'' is safe in the sense that it doesn't offend musical theorists because it's a joke and it doesn't actually bend any rules.If it did bend the rules (if it was actual music) but still served as a joke, it still wouldn't be offensive.You'd make a better point if you posted Schoenberg's songs or some Stravinsky's atrocity.
>>517680969fuck his cousin too
Nobody could possibly be smarter than Newton.
>>517710812He just said he DID eat breakfast.
>>517712974>You called classical music "safe".>How "safe" do you think the composer felt when this was premiered?i mean the fact that its still talked about and he wasnt laughed out of the business is a sign that they basically could do no wrong, but i already said when i said that classical and metal are "Safe" im obviously not referring to the composition of the music this is especially obvious when you consider metal, but rather the social implications or lack thereof for ascribing to one genre over the other as your favorite. it is socially safe to publicly say you like metal, classical and old school hip hop to such an extant that the basic getting to know you question "what music do you like" is totally stimied by the responses most people learn NOTHING from a respons of "i listen to classic hip hop" or "i listen to metal" or "classical" but im not most people i say it means often (but not always) that you view reality through a consensus filter like a woman does
>>517713158>extantextent*
>>517681520This is a very Chad picture. Getting comfy in your cool robe to do some groundbreaking mathematical work
>>517709991Thanks for the reminder that most everyone out there is a musical idiot.
>>517711354>I don't know a single person who dislikes music per seKafka and Nabokov hated music per se (irony: Nabokov's son became an opera singer)
>>517713304in contrast to you huh? a musical genius because you can appreciate the finer things like classical music and the emperors brand new purple robes
>>517680969why do all these old white dudes have nigger hair tho
>>517711484>subconsciousself conscious
>>517680969I feel bad for Bach he couldnt see very well later on in life and a british quack blinded him
>>517711484I listen to classical music because I love it, not because I want to seem "classy" or "intellectual". I like other types of music, too, but the very best classical pieces mog absolutely everything else.
>>517713555besides making music did he ever call out the jews or do anything that i should care? genuinely asking
>>517712821>throw me some modern classicalhttps://youtu.be/TLMw7NAnmh4?t=8
>>517687454>WomanGet out of here, retard.
>>517713590He was heavily influenced by Martin Luther, he also called out murderous papist in some of his music.
>>517713621from the first 20 seconds i could tell id like this better than classical classics. it feels emotionally dull to me overly technical but lacking real feeling. there are exceptions but over all thats how it isi think that the modern formula of music where songs are between two and four minutes long with the hook arriving in thirty seconds was likely born out of necessity its what stuck what works because of how we interpret music. i listen to music that doesnt fit that mold and this chinese bitch is going off on that harp i love it, but the idea is that modern music has built up from classical for hundreds of years therefore the emotional turns which might have been surprising to contemporary audiences are lost on me, because i have been listening to modern music that drew inspiration from classical for hundreds of years. do you understand?unironically a great song thanks for sharing it with me btw you took my guidance about simple melodic music to heart
>>517694328Not in harmony. Western 'classical' music is the peak of harmonic developments and explorations.Harmony is only one aspect of music. India's music is far more developed in rhythm, for example.
>>517713912im aware of that but i dont know if i count that as antisemitic or just the general theological social environment of the day.
>>517680969mid glaze
>>517713927>Shakespeare is inferior to Harry Potter
>>517713971yeah i'm not sure either I have a gut feeling that he hated jews tho I cannot prove such things
>>517714078thats not the point im making, one is not better than the other but yes OFTEN modern works will be more effective for modern audiences because the inovations made by the classic authors and musicians were used by later artists to draw inspiration from for literally hundreds of years so we are used to those emotional turns, they became "tropes"
>>517710349>Listening exclusively to the spice girls makes me a brave pioneer!
>>517714104prior to the holocaust narrative painting hitler as the new satan and jews the new jesus sacrificed on the cross literally everyone hated jews. you had to do a lot to be a stand out jew hater
>>517714180>>Listening exclusively to the spice girls makes me a brave pioneer!i would unironically consider a man who listened to strictly the spice girls and nothing else braver and certainly more interesting than a classical music fanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJLIiF15wjQas a kid i wanted to fuck posh, as an adult i want to fuck them all even scary
>>517714223yeah that was pretty default in those times, things that were common sense did not have to be spoken aloud, it was just known
>>517713971https://choralnet.org/archives/656276Jews feel ambivalent about performing Bach's Passions, which contain anti-semitic verses.
>>517714179>thats not the point im makingIt was. Now you're backpedaling.
>>517714358right but is that as a result of bachs standout antisemitism or the fact that the book of john is unavoidably antisemitic (and rad)?
>>517714179Isn't that woke ideology
>>517714444nice get im not back pedaling i never said every modern work is better than every classic work in fact what i said had little to do with the music itself whatsoever and more to do with the social motivation for some people to listen to strictly classical music
>>517711000Despite how annoying those people might be you are also a faggot.
>>517714526Why do you care if people listen to classical music?
>>517714308>as a kid i wanted to fuck posh, as an adult i want to fuck them all even scaryits shocking looking back to find that posh was among the least fuckable going off facial appearance alone even scary is more attractive, but i think i was mostly responding to the hair. if women were smart they would all have their hair in bobs with straight bangs
>>517714610i dont i was making an observation about the average classical fan
>>517714179>one is not better than the otherTo a retard>modern works will be more effective for modern audiencesAh yes. "Modern audiences" AKA retards.
>>517714592you are so much of a coward that you wont even show your flag and you felt called out. good
>>517714466As you pointed out, you'd have to do a lot to stand out as a jew-hater in those days. So, no, I don't think JSB was notably more anti-semitic than his contemporaries.
*blocks your path*
>>517714727this is exactly what i mean. music and stories generally were simpler in the past because the complexity was built up over time, more recent works drawing inspiration from past works on and on into the present. this is not ALWAYS true but generally true, if you compare the best of the best that was so well regarded at the time it survived into modernity and compare it to any ole modern slop the standouts from history are gonna clear every time but its not proving much
>>517714869Didn't read + you're a subversive kike. Fuck off forever before you die.
>>517714686some people like steak and some people love spaghetti
>>517714526>the social motivation for some people to listen to strictly classical musicYes, we all know that there are silly strivers who only listen to classical music because they want to seem "classy". This is not news to anyone. It also doesn't describe most classical music lovers.
>>517714782i guess my question then is why is it a requirement that i give a fuck about some piano player from yesteryear in a wig? beyond his contribution to the evolution of music there really isnt much to talk about so i steered the conversation towards the social implications of classical fans and to my credit there are numerous anons in here who acted blatantly arrogant because they like the "correct" genre of music
Say thank you if you're American. Say thank you if you're western. Say thank you in general.
>>517714078Explain why is Shakespeare better than Tolkien or even Rowling or why do you think he's even good at all and would you consider him great if he was Chinese or Brazilian
>>517714817Kek
>>517714952>This is not news to anyone. It also doesn't describe most classical music lovers.i disagree with you on that last bit but not strongly enough to argue about it. could be wrong. but yeah i was basically just talking about what motivates such an individual and reminding anons of the consensus filter view of reality that these people and women share
>>517714869I disagree with your sentiment that music was simpler in the past. I think conducting an orchestra and writing a symphony is infinitely more complex than a modern songs instrumentals and chorus.
>>517686548It’s amazing how far hard work and refraining from all vices except monogamous missionary intercourse will take you. Bach is the best, but the actual baroque compositional and improvisational practice only seems untouchably god tier because it’s not really taught anymore. John Mortenson has a YouTube channel and several books that teach it, I went from being a rock pleb to decent baroque composer in just a few years. Understanding it on a deeper level is amazing, all you really have to do to make a piece is just think of a little musical phrase, and the baroque compositional toolkit basically causes the piece to take on a life of its own and write itself, like planting a seed.
>>517681122That's Ed Asner.
>>517714938>some people like steak and some people love spaghettieveryone prefers steak to spaghetti though if they are honest.. i guess i was wrong about classical music i concede.
>>517714937im jacob anthony mcqueen are you really not familiar with what i do around here? im somewhat familiar with your work and i considered you based but im wary of you on account of your namefagging
>>517714869SOME aspects of music have "progressed". Orchestration, for example, became more sophisticated and subtle over time from the baroque era up to the late 19th century and early 20th century. That doesn't mean that Debussy was a greater musical genius than Bach, though. (And I love Debussy, too.)
>>517714817I think of this guy every time I see Carlos Sainz
>>517714969>some piano playerBach was a harpsichord and organ player.
>>517682966I have to agree with this.Bach changed the world of art through music, but Tesla changed the world. Period.We would not be shitposting if it wasn't for Tesla.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWoqKZdMuyI
>>517715117>I disagree with your sentiment that music was simpler in the past. I think conducting an orchestra and writing a symphony is infinitely more complex than a modern songs instrumentals and chorus.its not simpler in that its easier to make, its easier to explain when you compare music to story telling, and in a way it sort of is its just more emotional story telling, the audio aspect of the story telling functioning in a similar way to the visual aspect of the story telling in television and film, anyway certain emotional notes just dont work anymore because after bach pioneered those emotional turns and the song blew up, he was endlessly copied and people into modernity draw inspiration from them and did their own take on it over and over again, so it loses some of its appeal to modern audiences we are so used to the sound from its influence on modern sounds that we are sick of it in a sense. as usual im generalizing here.
Thoughts on Postmodernism? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_7SuJn10g
>>517715376earlier i called him a "pianee player" he was a musician why should i care?motherfuckers talk about him like he was hitler or jesus christ. what did he do to earn such high praise?
>>517681206These comparisons make no real sense. But said Mozart "Bach is the father. We are the children." He was important in the first rediscovery of Bach's work finding it initially old fashioned and then highly influential (e.g., the late string quartets).What this should really tell you though is that the "Amadeus" version of events was a myth (a myth in his own lifetime that pissed him off infact) and Mozart was studying hard his entire life.It is a pity for /pol/ that we only know Bach at all today because of the second period of rediscovery led by Mendelsohn.He's probably more popular today than he ever was in the past.
>>517715014>Explain why is Shakespeare better than Tolkien or even RowlingHe's not. He's old. That makes him icky and boring. Harry Potter is exciting and I can really relate to Harry's adventures at boarding school cuz I had to go to school, too, but mine sucked. Harry's school was fucking cool as shit!
>>517715510I've never had goosebumps or been brought to tears listening to Ice Spice or Bruce Springsteen
>>517715277i want to point out that else where i have said classical is sometimes over complicated its technically impressive but lacking in any discernible emotion (there lots and lots of exceptions to this) so im contradicting myself, im trying to define why classical 90 percent of it does absolutely nothing for me, maybe im just an idiot npc
>>517715587Blame Mendelssohn
>>517715659>Bruce Springsteenbullshit not even when he said "hey little girl is your daddy home bing bong bubba gump ding dang dong wooah oh oh tard on fire?
>>517715277All subsequent composers are a lot more self-apparently expressive than Bach. As much as I love his music, it is extremely autistic in its density and relentlessness. Romanticism and later (assuming Shoenberg and his consequences never existed and you draw a line from Holst or Mahler straight to John Williams) doesn’t requiring knowing anything about the music to get it, it’s just straight feels. Bach is capable of just as intense of feels or stronger, but you have to put in the work to understand it.
>>517715659>I've never had goosebumps or been brought to tears listening to Ice Spice or Bruce Springsteenon a serious note what classical song brings you to tears reliably im really sappy when it comes to art maybe you can make me eat crow here, nocturn moves me but not to tears
>>517680969replaced by AI at 1st
>>517711669>Classical is too predictableRetarded take. Any single piece has more actual music in it than a years worth of radio sludge of todays music.
>>517715659>Bruce Springsteenthis tards for hire
>>517680969Certainly one of the great minds of all time no doubt. A weird combination of genius, taste, productivity and he was very stable. Alot of geniuses are unstable. Or are not able to be productive continuously. Newton or someone like that might be in the same league.
>>517715148There are several modern HIP lutenists who started out as rock guitarists. Paul O'Dette is one.
>>517715799Bach wasnt "classical". He was pre classical. To his ear classical would have been garrish or something. Like we think of hip hop.
>>517715762Live opera performances mostly I can't name you one to listen to because i don't listen to opera in that way as I am english. I have been to a few though.
>>517715799you sound like a redditor to me when you talk like that and sort of prove my point. it will be predictable for the same reason no modern audience goer can enjoy the empire strikes back the way contemporary audiences did because the movie was so impactful the twists and turns have been parodied and used as inspiration endlessly, music isnt solely reliant on "twists" but rather a balance of predictability and novelty but the comparison still holds true
>>517715732You can draw a line from John Williams to quite a few people via the photocopier. I remember the first time I heard that Tchaikovsky piece that has the "Leia" melody in it (Violin Concerto in D). He is quite naughty really.
>>517680969anon is smarter, bach iq is 165. one thing lacking is piano four hands. if bach had had a second bach to work with, two 165s make 170. bach was born when there were only 600m humans. the smartest person alive with bach had IQ 189, whereas today the highest IQ is 195.
>>517715870Bruce Springsteen is a nigger
>>517715650I never cared about Potter so idk but I did read Hamlet to see what the fuss is all about and it sucks
>>517715148Baroque teaches an important lesson. True creativity is not departing from some parameter or form- It is making something unique WITHIN parameters or at the least knowing what parameters to bend in extreme moderation. Making something perfect and unique while generally adhering to a strict form is the pinnacle of genius and creativity.
>>517715955>Live opera performances mostlywhen you see the wannabe video from the spice girls do your eyes go so wide that your monocle pops out and you say "Well i never"?this is better than literally any classical opera objectively prove me wronghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTE2h0ZY74
>>517716052Fucking hell. Talk about filtered.
>>517716038this tards for hire, woah oh oh, tards on fire
>>517715183kek
>>517706920we wuz composers and shit
>>517716015copies of an original are not greater than the original objectively.
>>517715732>Bach is capable of just as intense of feels or stronger, but you have to put in the work to understand it.I can agree with this. Playing his music helps you "get" it faster, maybe. I had never even heard Bach until I started playing his music (around age 9, the double concerto).
>>517688506Watch this explaining why Bach > Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Gqbb_idx8
The only one with such a perfect balance and taste and touch as Bach is Vivaldi I think. It is possible to even get them mixed up sometimes to the ear. An interesting thing to notice about Bach- listen to the pieces- every single time when one ends, it feels like it ended naturally in the right way at the right moment. Listen to other (even great) composers. The conclusion of a piece often feels controved ir strained or abrupt. Bach always flows naturally and perfectly. That's the hallmark of genius.
>>517716114I'm not buying you tickets to the opera bro
>>517683916>blames a genius from serbia instead of the kikes who ran the reserveNice try rabbi.
>>517716231again im not saying that they are but that classical works are often less effective than newer ones because newer ones sort of saturate people with the notes pioneered by those earlier works that they drew inspiration fromif you have never read the king james bible cover to cover for instance you will be blind to the fact that its basically the ORIGINAL book, that all other works of the western canon drew from as foundational. but you have to train yourself to think like a person who did not know for instance god would be coming in the flesh to make revelations about the past and the future, because we are already so familiar with its narratives.
>>517716265Baroque and Fugue is almost obnoxiously formulaic and difficult to get the mind around. The free form of the later eras is inherently more sophmoric for that reason. To make such perfect and creative music within the constraints of baroque and fugue is way more impressive than what the later composers were doing.
>>517716324im at home huffing whippets and listening to ice spice fuck a operayou think you the shdit, you only the fdart, i like how she talks makes her seem retarded therefore approachable
>>517715117Music definitively was simpler (that is, less complex) in the past. You simply couldn't put on a complex orchestral production without sheet music, a developed music theory, and a reason to perform. By writing down the notes, it's possible to make multiple performances of musics in a repeatable manner and communicate it without another human literally showing it to you. With music theory, you are able to read the sheet music and understand how to perform it. With reasons to perform (important masses and coronations evolving into a desire for regular performances for patrons), complex works are heard, laying the foundation for musical innovations. These came into existence during the Renaissance era, and the Baroque era is where things really took off.
>>517716517>im at home huffing whippets and listening to ice spice fuck a operawhat a rush...
>>517716272Bach, Vivaldi, Handel are all the same tier (even though magnitude of Bach's lifetime body of work and extra touch of genius mogs them in totality)And yes Bach's work is probably humanity's greatest example of musical craftsmanship and integrated wholeness in compositions.
>>517716272can you cite something to listen to? are you sure it is not just a modern composer phenomenon? i feel like the performance hall itself dictates how to close, and so i doubt the music even says exactly how in the first place.
>>517716119If you haven't filtered me yet I'd like to add that Churchill didn't defeat Hitler like you Bongoloids like to makebelieve because Bongland was the welfare queen of WW2 that didn't do shit but you think Bongs did more to defeat H than Russians or Mutts TOP KEK He was a fat alcoholic.
>>517716603earlier i spoke about my attraction to posh spice with great astonishment as an adult i can see her face is beat, i explained this by saying i was responding to the hair mostly and ice spice the forgotten spice girl really proves thisronald mcdonald hair ice spice = no bonestraight bob type hair ice spice = bone
>>517716559I would argue making something within the confines of fugue is MORE complex than the more free forms. The constraint of the baroque styles is what made them so much more complicated to work within effectively.
>>517716265It's like debating if Sor is better than Django
>>517716559yeah hand writing thousands of pages of sheet music from your head for multiple different instruments and singers in different languages is extremely simple
>>517716730also i just realized this am i crazy but did the you think you the shdddiit you only the fdddart ice spice song not copy heavily from this beat?you guys are music experts i figure this is the place to ask listen to them side by sidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7yG1P2Nq_wis this not basically just a slower version of that ice spice beat? i cant believe this shit, no integrity
>>517715891This. Bach's biography wouldn't make a very interesting movie. Except maybe for his later blindness, there wasn't anything tragic about his life (unlike, say, Mozart's or Schubert's lifelong troubles and early deaths). He lived to a decent age, wrote one masterpiece after another like a production line, cranked out as many kids as Josiah Franklin did, went blind in old age, and died. He spent a month in debtor's jail, walked a hundred miles to hear his idol Buxtehude play, and...that's about it for "color" or drama.
>>517716730the only thing you are boning is your hand
>>517716096Baroque learned from the lessons established by Renaissance era artists. Palestrina is the absolute pinnacle of Renaissance composition, espousing perfect polyphony. The Missa Papae Marcelli is a stunningly beautiful work and is one of the finest choral works ever written. Still, Palestrina (and Renaissance era music in general) is notoriously difficult for choruses--especially large choruses--to perform because it demands exacting pitch accuracy without vibrato.
>>517716894yeah so what, what are you fucking super models after going to the opera? its just us dudes here who you tryin to impress?
>>517716943lel you are pathetic
>>517717016https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzYGWF6qrts
>tfw americans """""""""""""discuss"""""""""""""" music around me
>>517681122This is Darude Sandstorm
>>517715650The books missed out the parts where he gets buggered by the teachers and it turns him into a politician when he grows up
>>517715949Classical has two meanings: to denote formal concert music in general and to denote a stylistic phase in the history of formal concert music (roughly from 1750 to 1820, basically Haydn, Mozart, and early Beethoven)
>>517714642Watching this video it's clear where british slags get their inspiration from.
>>517717164i also think that everyone from that period dressed and looked like shit, its crazy to me the music sounds like shit the dress seems gay, it starts getting better in the twentieth century but then gets fagged up again in the sixties and seventies
>>517716651Not to be cliche but all three parts of 1004- listen how they end. Honestly I think Bachs best works are his cantatas Cantata 54 is one of my favorites.
>>517680969
>>517717230>Watching this video it's clear where british slags get their inspiration from.from british slags? isnt that a self fulfilling prophecy?
>>517716763>>517716822I see your points. The poster disagreed that music was simpler in the past, but perhaps "the past" is a vague term. I was specifically commenting on the pre-Renaissance era of music. Naturally, that music was far simpler, for the reasons I elaborated upon.The complexity is a great point. Analogously, writing a high-performance algorithm in C is a complex task because the available tools are relatively limited, requiring a higher task complexity than other types of programming languages. That said, you can do things with C that you just can't do in other "advanced" languages.
>>517716272Im not really that intellecual when it comes to music, but i always felt that listening to his songs felt like a battle between 2 forces sometimes, or a story being told, and the sound is the emotion thats visually describing in your mind whats happening. Especially for Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.
>>517716018Professional movie composers are always plagiarizing past composers. Williams in particular is famous for doing that. He particularly likes stealing from Russian composers.
>>517716015To say classical music is 'predictable' is a bit of an odd way of saying it. It is predictable because it is bound by form and aesthetic. If you start doing weird shit (or neglect to restate your theme at the appropriate point) it ceases to be classical music. It can be interesting and varied, look at Mozart's late symphonies for example but it has to be predictable really.It would be right to say pieces tend to gather up associations over time but all art does. I know someone that composes for TV and film and they are always asking him to do something like Nimrod from the Enigma Variations. Which he can do, only he can't, because what they really want is something that evokes all the associations with the war dead and fraternal love (etc) that have accreted over time, at least in Britain. A tune in the style of Elgar is not what they actually wanted it turns out.
>>517716038He looks jewish (although he swears he isn't).
>>517717332whatever floats your boat
>>517717430right so you get my meaning, old works that were stand out will lose some of their draw, because they were stand out and influential they informed basically all the music that came after it so the innovations that were new and exciting they introduced get played out by all the music that draws inspiration from it going forward.
>>517717513most people that aren't jewish tend to do that
>>517717412Indeed, there are reasons though. Sometimes its just theft, and Williams certainly has sticky fingers, but quite often its "temp love". They put a piece in temporary, don't want to clear it for copyright but then they are so used to the temp music they can't quite let it go. "can you write something a bit like this but not this?". The job is actually head of the music department, not as such to be a composer, at least not of especially original work.
>>517717638not the looking jewish part which he does, and if hes not jewish how do you explain this bruce springsteen quote?"this tards for hire, woah oh oh, tards on fire?" i think its pretty damning(in reality i have had that stuck in my head for three days and no excuse to say it out loud) this tards for hire in a springsteen voice is endlessly funny to me probably for the same reasons i do not enjoy classical music
>>517716052>I never cared about PotterThen you're gay. Potter rocks!
>>517717412>what is public domain
Another great less well known Bach that is one of my favorites is Cantata 39.
>>517717739i don't remember replying to you for awhile i wish you would stop replying to me personally
>>517717932this tards for hire
>>517716015Music simply doesn't work like stories, your analogy is flawed.
>>517717975you are 20% of this thread and in my opinion its 20% too much
>>517718067this entire thread doesnt belong on this board. tards on fire
>>517716893Him being a boring dude is what makes him so based imo. I really hate that the myth of Beethoven (not necessarily the man but the cult of personality that arose after his death) became the template for artists going forward. Being insane, an addict, and “inspired” can make certain aspects of your music interesting, but no one that acts like that will ever pen 1000 timeless masterpieces. They may have a few peaks that eclipse Bach but on the whole that autistic German work ethic wins out every time.
>>517680969>smarter than platonope.socrates was smarter than both. discovered npcs before all yall. and plato? pushed eugenics before it was even cool, before it was ever even comprehensible, before it was uncool after that, and then magically, because he had divine blessing, made it cool again. and for 2500 years has been making abrahamists seethe in private as they scour through his works in secret trying to make better sense of their own religions.when jews, jew worshippers and muslims were purging history and any and all evidence of white excellence so as not to offend their jewish masters inferiority by comparison, they said "not this guy"plato was on another levelspeed up bach to 2x and its cancer to the earsspeed up plato to 2x and you will have transcended beyond the greatest spiritual minds in human history
>>517718047you dont see the similarities when it comes to manipulating the audience emotional response and anticipating their emotional reactions to artistic choices? its not one to one but certainly the art of music and story telling are closer in form and function than either of these are to the culinary arts for instance
>>517718106please do not reply to me again if you reply to this post you are gay
>>517718222im gay
>>517717100The Sixth Form Boys (Frank Harris will tell you)
>>517717560I'm not sure about that to be honest with you. Mainly because there is just so much music out there, and its not that linear a developmental process. There are so many weird branches on the tree. Further, as I discuss above, most composers people listen to didn't actually have access to much of JS Bach's music to give one example. Mozart found some of it but only very late in his career and Mendelsohn really reintroduced him to the world. So you've get a big gap there where nobody was drawing on it. The canon is a relatively new invention.
>>517718261faggot
>>517718349hey little girl is your daddy home, nick knack patty wack give a dog a bone, this tards for hire
>>517680969Late to the thread but real, actual pianist here. I've played Bach, C.P.E. Bach (who's actually pretty underrated), Handel, D. Scarlatti, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Liszt, Chopin, Grieg, Brahms, Debussy, Satie, Scriabin, Respighi, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, the list goes on. In terms of musical skill and compositional prowess alone, there is none who even comes close to J.S. Bach. He is a genius bar none. In addition to the aforementioned pieces, there is also the Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, the violin sonatas and partitas, the French Overture in B minor, the orchestra suites, the two passions, the French and English suites, the keyboard partitas, the cantatas, chorale preludes, and the motets (which are criminally underrated).However the most insane thing about Bach wasn't just that he could write a four voice fugue that obeys all of the strict rules of counterpoint with augmentation, diminution, inversion, an expanded harmonic palette, and every kind of rhetorical device and complex compositional element that existed. He could have done all that with exceptionally dry music. But his music isn't dry, rather it's endlessly inventive, dynamic, emotionally moving, and profound. His genius was on another level but so was his ability to tap into the relationship between music and emotion.Just as an aside, I don't mind that people enjoy the famous Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, BWV 565, but it's almost indisputable that it isn't by him. It's far, far too simple for Bach. Compare it to the Toccata and Fugue in D Minor that he did write, the Dorian (BWV 538), which is much less easily accessible, but far more complex and beautiful, in addition to being much more difficult to play. You can like it but it's almost certainly by a student of his. Bach never used a rhetorical device of beginning a piece with a simple motive stated three times in almost the exact way that doesn't develop or overlap in imitative counterpoint.
>>517718325dont try to reason with him
>>517680969and he squandered it on a piano
>>517718391its a knick knack, patty whack, give the frog a loan, his old mans a rolling stone !
>>517718106another thread where the jewish bots argue with jewish bots while intermittently plugging jew worship and overindulging the word kike as if its their benchmark for slobbing knob?
>>517718186When the genre is so far removed from normal music you hear everyday as classical music is it isn't predictable, its probably the opposite, too different to be properly enjoyed.
>>517718325well im generalizing and saying that in general classic works of art will not work as well with modern audiences as they did for contemporary audiences because while those composers might not have directly influenced each other they all together formed the foundation which later music was inspired by, and then subsequent generations music was inspired by that, a lot of it might be more to do with shrinking attention spans due to increasingly stimulating media but a lot of it really is due to the fact that their artistic innovations quickly became "the norm" in a way right?
>>517718325My impression is that normie music fans didn’t know about him til Mendelssohn, but all the great composers during that time gap including Mozart, Chopin, and Beethoven all were very familiar with The Well Tempered Clavier.
>>517718520sir this /mu/
>>517718109Beethoven's innovation as a human being was his relative independence which is expressed in his work as well. I would agree people take that too far but the life and the work are harmonious to that degree. He isn't a romantic hero, but he is a romantic era kind of person.I'm not sure Bach or anyone else wrote a 1000 timeless masterpieces though. There is a reason nobody listens to 90% of Mozart's work for example (because it all sounds the same). Beethoven actually has one of the better hit rates if you buy one of those massive complete set things.
>>517718520>kikekike was mentioned 3 times ITT but go off queenie
>>517718633he recognizes me from other threads where i say kike a loti bet in the past year and a half i as an individual am unironically responsible for around four to even as high as ten percent of the instances of kike used on this board.jacob mcqueen how do you do? this tards for hire
>>517717650Greatest film composer ever: Prokofiev.Second greatest film composer ever: Rota.Third greatest film composer ever: Herrmann.
>>517718633mcqueef bots on rotation, i wouldve thought this a prime thread, means its the daily slightly above the curated slop thread then. usually only get one a day.
>>517680969>>517680969>>517680969>>517680969Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.You're welcome.
>>517718859i know we are on page ten but could you please add "politically speaking" at the end of your posts i dont want this thread to be pruned. thank you sir>>517718883you know im not a bot stop lying
>>517718415Didn't you just decide to construct all those rules around bachs music and then go "Wow! Incredible, he follows all the rules!"?
>>517718745"A proud person is always looking down on things and people; and, of course,as long as you are looking down, you cannot see something that is above you." - C.S. Lewis
>>517718745>>517718883called itwhy arent you sucking off jews at your usual level? do you require suggestive input to activate that layer of engagement?
>>517719018i ended my post with this tards for hire. my entire point in this thread is that classical fans are humorless and arogant midwits. unfortunately you guys all responded in good humor and humilityRATS!
>>517719080>called iti posted my picture already in the thread shylock holmes
