Any /pol/ users study the gnostic ways? Any tips for a noobie to find his way to Pleroma?
>>517694958Just read against all heresies and basically gnosticism is gay and only gays like it.
>>517694958Gnosticism is just saying the same shit. If you're interested is the mystical side start with the gospel of Thomas.
>>517694958Pic related should bring you up to speed pretty quickly
>>517694958>Any tips for a noobie to find his way to the Pleroma?Nope, you're here forever. We'll be here with the demiurge forever, or until it learns how to not be a retard.
>>517695058>>517695216Rhetoric>>517694958Gnosticism is just Neo-Platonism. Look into Ismailis and Druzism next, and you’ll nearly have the full picture.Have fun OP, you’ve begun the final journey of your soul.
You're interested in Kabbalah. That makes you a Kike. Every (pseudo) Gnostic leader was a Jew btw.
All religions, old and new, are just human interpretations of the great truth, but they all get it wrong by equating things they just didn't understand to magical people and later including the notion of eternal punishment and judgment. The truth is there is a source of all sentient consciousness energy and everything is a small part of it. There is only death of the physical body in this 3d reality but consciousness persists. The purpose of existence as a whole is the accumulation of knowledge. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>517694958>the creator of the universe is your enemy; rebel against him.That is gnosticism. It is literally satanic.
>>517694958Become Orthodox.
>>517695724>they all get it wrong>*literally espouses Tawhid*Ebin
>>517694958Idk man. The place to ask would be /x/ since there's a ton of gnostics and similarly minded people there.
>>517694958kys heretic
>>517695846Don't know that one but I'm sure with just a surface level look into it I would immediately find instances where they tried to explain simple concepts by using outrageously stupid analogies.
>>517696145Okay, then do so. It’s a very simple tenet, my friend. Have a crack at it.
>>517696342I will if I remember to. Never hurts to collect more knowledge.
>>517696394Then, after that, take a look at Metrical Feet so you can practice magic(sorcery[source-ery]). You seem honest enough to be trusted.^^
>>517696394>Never hurts to collect more knowledge.…said the serpent.
>>517695773The manchild god of the old testament is different from Jesus's Father in the new one.
>>517694958its satanism
>>517694958I'll sum it all up for you homosexuality-enjoyers real quickly. It's the vegetarian indo-aryans versus the meating arabic semites. That's the whole thing. All of it. Have a nice day.
We live in a simulation, 100%
>>517697709What do you mean by the word ‘simulation’?
OP hereso initially I found the cosmology of Gnosticism a really interesting take on canonical Christianity but I'm a bit confused. this anon>>517696744 says that Jesus' father (Menod?) is different from the old testament God (demiurge?). If that is correct, is the demiurge still alive and ruling over us? or is he dead and we're still stuck in his realm?
>>517696744Proof? Also just become Mormon, that shit is wild
>>517698472The demiurge is a symbol for the ego or meat identity. That's why it's a snake lion. Myth is symbolic not literal. These are just catagories and labels for the things in your mind because it's an outer mirror of the inner structure.
>>517698830Sounds pretty queer
>>517698969That's ok friend. Not everyone can live knowing they're accountable. To each their own.
The anime Neon Genesis Evangelion is heavily inspired by Gnostic and Kabbalistic themes. As a side note, if you watch the series, make sure you watch the End of Evangelion at the end.
>>517694958Its just christianity with extra steps. The gnostics didnt like that God was just and actually punished people before Christ begged him not to. So they believe that is why God doesnt smite us and thats why he was "meaner" in the old testement. Doesnt really matter if you ask me. Just follow Jesus.
>>517699838It's not Christianity. It's Kikes trying to trick Christians into getting stoned.
>>517699838>was just and actually punished peopleby what? killing children? telling his people to massacre villages and take the underage girls as rape-slaves? this is "justice" to you?
>>517699648Not really at all it just meaninglessly uses words Evangelion has no real comprehensible story
>>517698472According to Sethian gnosticism, he's alive but depowered, his power breathed out into man as ha-Adham.
>>517695216>start with the gospel of ThomasI'll check it out what's it about?
>>517694958Utterly kabbalistic
>>517699075Im not your friend
>>517701053Stupid normie stuff you can read in 5 minutes. A bunch of sayings supposedly said by Jesus, but sound so fake and dumb. AI says more people can deadlift 600lbs than have read the entirety of Against Heresis by St. Irenaeus. Start there.
>>517701298cool I'll read reviews of both and see what's up
>>517694958Gnosticism is the truth.You won’t get answers here on /pol/.It’s an individual journey.There are too many Christians that hate it irrationally here to get a response. Plus the Indians using vpn’s. And of course, Jews hate you the most for obvious reasons.
>>517701149Gnosticism was contemporary with Jesus. There were up to 26 versions of gnosticism and Christianity competing, some historians think. You just know a version that won and call it holy. In reality the most viral one wonIt's a strong meme
>>517694958the old testament god being satan makes way more sense. i never understood why christians bend over backwards to make the two testaments fit. christians should just follow christ
>>517701766At the beginning of NT Jesus tells you not to disregard OT.
>>517701053>“If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.” (saying 70). Knowledge is a living seed in the soul that must be expressed; repression is dangerous. That is to say knowledge of ones inner world meaning the dark bad thoughts the world trains us to hide from. Thomas just offers a different lens from the other gospels. Same as they do to each other. All portray Jesus in a different way so different people can understand.
>>517694958it was already confirmed as heresy like 1900 years ago
>>517701181I love you
>>517701766The demiurge isn’t Satan. Satan is one of his Archons.Anyways the demiurge couldn’t corrupt Christ, so instead they corrupted his message.They’ve literally transformed his teachings into a suicide cult that bends over backwards to justify the Old Testament, while worshipping his most direct followers, Jews.
>>517694958Flee while you can
>>517698830as far as i am aware there is not a whole lot of gnostic text to go off of and a lot was discovered fairly recently with the nag hamadi library. this is exciting because there are some such as your post who believe the cosmology is symbolic, while others who believe these deities to be real.>>517700472so the demiurge is essentially in all of us? i mean he always was if we go by cosmology right? do you know which texts are sethian? i find the idea that he was de-powered to click.it feels as if god is dead and we are stumbling about trying to find some other truth, which according to Gnostics would be returning to Plemora/Menod?
>>517701868the devs did a software update to make the game more chill
>>517701654There was 1 famous Kike who was also a Gnostic and a contemporary of Jesus. Simon Magus.
Op, have you read all the Gnostic texts?You’re getting hit with some terribly misleading answers.
>>517701924sorry goy the holy spirit gots it covered don't worry about it
>>517695773>>the ruler of this world is your enemy; rebel against him.Literally the same concept. LOL @ christians trying to distance themselves from gnosticism. It's pure mental gymnastics.>What are christian apologetics?Literally the COPE department of bible studies.
>>517694958Flee gnosticism. It is an epitome of heresy and you will go to hell for accepting its teachings because they are explicitly anti gospel
>>517694958Gnosticism is dumb purely based upon it's adherence to a semitic undertone.Try Dao Buddhism.
>>517694958>gnostic Christianitywut
The fact that Theravada buddhism shares many of its insights is pretty interesting ngl.
>>517702256I have read a little bit of them. It is difficult for me to understand older languages translated into English, the Kings James Bible is a good example. I will persist in my readings and am open to interpretations and guidance, however.
>>517702276>Knowledge is not book learning; it’s the unveiling of your own deepest self as one with the divine.Thomas 3: “The kingdom is inside you and it is outside you.” Luke 17:21: “The kingdom of God is within you.”Both say the kingdom is not a future event or a place, but a present reality to be discovered inwardly.
>>517694958Just keep studying and pondering. Ignore the christcucks thats are ironically deceived by their retarded false god
>>517702543yeah when i saw how many parallels there were I wondered if there was much if any contact between the parts of the world practicing Buddhism and the areas Gnostic thought was flourishing.
>>517702130>so the demiurge is essentially in all of us?No, god is, because the demiurge stole his power to begin with. It never had its own Look up nag hammadi library. Gospel of Thomas
"Behold!, I hold the keys to salvation! Are you READY, Patrick?""MYBODYISREADY,SPONGEBOBCHRISTPANTS"
I feel like I saw a post similar to this on /x/ recently. If you are the same anon or a different anon, you still need to read this list.Apocryphon of JohnHypostasis of the ArchonsGospel of ThomasGospel of TruthGospel of PhilipTripartite TractatePistis SophiaFirst Apocalypse of JamesSecond Apocalypse of JamesGospel of MaryZostrianosAllogenesAnd you need to read it in that order.There are many more. Please start with Apocryphon of John, do a little reading tonight.The list goes much deeper than that. If you truly want answers you need to dig.The Gnostic monks were butchered and slaughtered each time they centralized. Horrifying stuff. They were tortured to the point of nightmare fuel. You aren't going to find all the answers in one place and that is by design.
>>517702687I think this is a certainty through the spice roads and I think Christianity is absolutely influenced by the vedas. All lenses pointing at the same truth but distorting the light. But we can still see the light.
>>517694958>I just discovered gnosticism.Shouldn't you be back in school?Summer is over.
>>517702355The original version of christinity that was outlawed because it wasn't useful to the romans
Return to Christ.
>>517702993GIYS, I THINK THE MATRIX MOVIE WAS INSPIRED BY THE PLAYDOUGHS CAVE!!
>>517694958I think that Jesus was real and kikes tainted everything with their usual bullshit magic.I'm 98% sure that there was no magic bullshit.But if it was and someone could prove me real superpowers I would be doing jutsus like a crazy meth whore and the fucking fish prices would go down like a rugpull I swear.
>>517702687When I first started to interest myself in this topic I actually used chatgpt to clarify some things, it was of great help desu. I'd suggest you give this or any other AI a try. Inside "gnosticism" there're different schools of thought. Some say that salvation is within all of us, others that only those with the "divine spark" can achieve it. That the god who made the material realm is evil, or that he's just ignorant (sethian or valentinian). It's definitely an interesting topic and one which I have enjoyed researching, even if there's not much real material out there.Just be careful with those who completely water down the message or the idea.
>>517694958This video is a great place to start:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX_8P4KQIIA
>>517695570>Ismailisare those the muslims that follow the male descendants of allah? aren't they just pakis?
>>517694958list of christian content creators who are racist and anti-semitic>Cory J. Muller, Woe / stone choir- https://stone-choir.com/episode-list/>Andrew Anglin / daily stormer - https://dailystormer.in/>Pete Quinones- https://www.youtube.com/@TPQS/videos>Gypsy Crusader- https://goyimtv.com/channel/3843008839/Gypsycrusader/videos>Gott Mit Uns / Reuvin Matveev- https://www.youtube.com/@gottmituns650/videos>Leonarda Jonie- https://www.youtube.com/@LeonardaisFunny/videos>iHypocrite- https://rumble.com/c/lporiginalg?e9s=src_v1_clr>Mark Collett / patriotic alternative- https://odysee.com/@MarkCollett:6?view=content>Jay Dyer- https://www.youtube.com/@JayDyer/streams>Nicholas J. Fuentes / america first- https://rumble.com/c/nickjfuentes/livestreams>Dave, Cameron, Rebecca / the backlash- https://www.youtube.com/@realbacklash>Vincent James- https://rumble.com/c/RealVincentJames/videosthe racist and anti-semitic confederates have always been christian. the national socialists used the celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery.do not fall for glownigger divide and conquer tactics.
>>517701868>At the beginning of NT Jesus tells you not to disregard OT.Yeah but it also doesn't tell you that you need to follow it. It's important since it was a covenant, but with Jesus there is a new covenant that you follow, where you don't have to follow the one of old.
>>517703458Pretty unnecessary comment considering the context of the thread.
>>517702749I'm very happy to have the extensive list that this>>517702855 anon generously gifted me and i will start reading through them.I'm just a bit confused, however, forgive me. when you say >his power breathed out into man as ha-Adhamwhat does that mean?>>517702876it would make sense, I've found the "way" of buddhism attractive but otherwise found it lacking.. if that makes sense. Like, I think it has the right idea in trying to make your way to nirvana and escape the cycle of reincarnation, but its cosmology seems a bit weak to me. When I read about Plemora and Sophia and the Demiurge it kind of 'clicked'. Like a more cosmic buddhism with a spotlight on the gathering of knowledge.
>>517701298Iranaeus was full of shit and clearly failed to grasp the doctrine of the people he was criticizing.
>>517703663You're a Kike, we get it.
>>517699838God does things because he feels like it. It is written about in the Tanya. Goyim are dumb, retarded animals.
>>517703583That is how man was made by God in the OT. Gnosticism just says it was the demiurge doing it. Respectfully based on the way you ask questions about so many basics, I don't think you really understand much of Buddhism.
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>>517703583When you get to the more advanced texts, they're going to blow your mind.Zostrianos is an actual map of the cosmos. It describes in detail the ascent of the soul through successive realms, aeons, and barriers, with technical names for each level. Very advanced though, so I'd still read everything in the proper order.And of course, the knowledge goes deeper than those texts. The answers go deeper, but again, the core system is "this place isn't my home and I need to go back to the Pleroma."You don't HAVE to go super deep, but you will be more READY if you do so. Plus, aren't you a little curious?
>>517698472>cosmology of Gnosticism"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ"Colossians 2:8
>>517703774I've read Against Heresies and it's just Iranaeus making a bunch of spitting sounds while going "Wow, I mean wow, I can't even"
>>517703411Grntiles arr dumb animals who have a lower level soul, merely one level above animals
Gnostics, christians, buddhists,All a bunch of LOSERS who can't hack it, in the natural world!!
>>517703982Yeah, I'm sure you have kike.
>>517695570>Gnosticism is just Neo-Platonism.I've been saying this shit for years, they call me crazy but if you go deep enough into philosophy, you'll get it. Based burger knower.t. Also "Wokism" has a lot of gnosticism in it.
>>517702855Gnostics weren't tortured and slaughtered. In fact, they mocked orthodox for being stupid enough to be martyrs, see the Gospel of Judas. The movement ran out of steam by the time Christianity had political power.
>>517704092Open your digital copy of Against Heresies and ctrl+f "Ptheugh!"
>>517696605>god gives people brains that are thirsty for knowledge and a desire to learn the workings of the universe>punish people for using said brains Genius
>>517704124Why do you insist the a belief system enters the world is is LOCKED as stagnant?Why can't you appreciate the deeper understanding provided by the texts beyond Plato's teachings?Is the spiritual understanding of the cosmos ALWAYS supposed to be halted upon the arrival of one man? Platonism is the bases, yes, but it doesn't go far enough. Maybe the Druze have the right of it when it comes to philosophers and religious figures. But they're too insular to be correct in their beliefs.
>>517704081Please define the “natural world”
>>517703402Yeah the succession is a big part of their identity, but what is important here is their actual theological beliefs.>Example of such beliefs:https://youtu.be/CM2PHJsn9xQStart at 57:00, where he talks about the most common arguments for a God’s existence, then at 1:20:30 he explains some ways in which Ismaili beliefs differ from other theologies.
>>517704204Smart people don't fall for Kabbalah "Gnosticism"
>>517704158he Cathars in southern France (12th–13th c.) were straight-up annihilated in the Albigensian Crusade. Entire towns burned, tens of thousands killed. Quote from a papal legate at Béziers: “Kill them all, God will know His own.” That’s as “slaughtered” as it gets.Earlier, Paulicians (Byzantine Empire, 7th–9th c.) and Bogomils (Balkans, 10th–15th c.) — both dualist/Gnostic-adjacent sects — were hunted down, massacred, and absorbed into orthodoxy under threat of death.The classical Gnostics (Valentinians, Sethians, Basilideans, etc.) of the 2nd–4th c. weren’t wiped out in one big crusade, but their books were burned, leaders exiled or executed, and their communities systematically erased by the institutional church. The only reason we even know what they believed is because of hostile church fathers and the Nag Hammadi texts that got buried around 350 CE.What happened to the Cathars is one of the worst things Christians have ever done, and they don't even know it happened. Peaceful group of religious isolationists.
>>517704363I need to get educated on Druze and Druzism doctrines, will check it out. Thanks burger anon.
>>517703402>>517704450excuse my memeflag, I was dunking on another burger earlier
>>517694958Gnostic Christianities . . . there were many forms of Gnosticism and early Christians adopted a lot of Gnostic superstitions and cobbled them together to make their own retarded superstition.
>>517704423strength as virtue, natural experience as a process of growth, rather than death. the ability and willingness to judge others and their undesirable qualities.In other words, there was no mistake in creation. it is what it is, and you won't be "saved" for some "other" experience. This is the experience.
>>517704513I like the Druze teachings, except for "if you weren't one of us when our prophet came and aren't of our bloodline, you are not chosen. Also, you can only marry other Druze, and any halfbloods are also not chosen."I'm not even sure if those are their actual beliefs or if they are surface level.Because their real beliefs are so secretly guarded that NOBODY is allowed to know them, not even their own people, except for a handful of elders that worked their entire lives to gain that knowledge upon the death of one of the previous ones. Their texts are so securely fortified it makes Fort Knox look like a joke.
>>517704124It is a nihilistic Jewish interpretation of Neo-Platonism that probablyexploded after the destructionof the Second Temple. Plotinus wrote against them. Neo-Platonism sees the universe as flawed since it emanated from the One but it isn't evil. Neither is the body.
>>517695570>Gnosticism is just Neo-Platonism.if its christian its not platanosim you twat
>>517704513The Druze believe that they are practitioners of an ancient mystery religion, specifically the mystery religion that Moses’ father in law(Jethro[Shu’aib]) practiced, and steeped his daughter Zipporah in.They claim many figures are prophets as well, including Greek philosophers.
>>517704363There's many ways to explain it. I didn't necessarily follow Christ nor Buddha but a bit of both and TMNT and Batman. Myth is just the map. The foundational pattern is consistent from the micro to macro inner to outer. The world is consciousness storytelling itself into existence.
>>517704802Christianity was made up by the Greeks, fuckin' retard.
>>517704794>flawed universe emanated from the OneValentian Gnosticism>Plotinus wrote against themWho gives a shit
>>517704895You're so obviously a Kike. Writing like such a faggot this entire thread, literally shilling Gnosticism. What an evil pathetic faggot you people are.
>>517704802Yeah because the Demiurge and Abrasax are sooo different, right? Totally separate and distinct egregores?
>>517695570Lookin cute in that dress anon
>>517704890anon i hope you're joking. >>517705045>>517705045>egregores?look he said a word that makes him think hes educated on the topic.
>>517705184Thank you
>>517705232>intimidated by vocabularyWay to show your colors.
>>517694958Lately I've been wondering.We spend so much time hating on the Demiurge.Why not take time to understand why he created this world and learn to love it?
>>517705232>all the gospels are written in greek>it spread first through greece
>>517704484stfu fagot God killed those demons for preaching satanismm
>>517705479The world is a prison of the demiurge, we need to escape
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