S-400 is neat and all, but peak 2025 air defense is building chicken coops over all your infrastructure.
And lasers
>>517709413>!!NEW PEREMOGA!!>scaffolding
>>517709413>nnooooo just let us destroy your shit!!!!
>>517709676>>517709701kek, insta-triggered!
now? these retards have been doing this shit for over 2 years now. the war is almost 4 years old
>>517709413>Letting your refineries explode because some retard on 4chan thinks it looks silly
>>517709413it's only based an effective when you subhumans do it right?
>>517709413Lol. Ziggers are getting rekt. This war is over.
>>517710598>This war is overOnly two more weeks?
>>517710558seething russian on an american vpn, many such cases
>>517710680Remember when Russia was saying Europe would freeze in winter because no Russian gas? All these refineries going boom mean that that might actually happen in Russia itself in the coming months.
>>517709909>these retards have been doing this shit for over 2 years nownah, cope cages on oil refineries are a new thing, sorry>>517710513why do the "let" them explode at all Mohammed? why not just shoot down the drones targeting them?
>>517711381>No stop it, you're not allowed to use cheap and effective measures. It's not legitimate unless you spend trillions on it and it has to look cool because as well all know in war looking cool is what really matters
>>517711513are they not able to shoot them down or something?
>>517712550inb4 you're using similar methods yourself a few years from now and magically the "cope" disappears from the name.
>>517712714are they not able to shoot them down or something?
>>517709734You're the one that posted this copium thread.
>>517712800>No stop it you can't just use cheap and qick to erect defences that do not require power or ammunition!
>>517712885I know. Did it make you angry fellow American from America?>>517712889Sounds like they're not lmao
>>517712978>t. dies in a drone strike because he's far too cool to be seen inside a drone net
>>517709413Honest Q... Do these even work? How would cages prevent a tandem charge anyway?
>>517713261Same way a mosquito net works.
>>517712978But im not mad lmao. You literally created a thread to seethe about it. Mr. Oleg the kike of kyiv
Imagine boasting about either sides capabilities I'm very grateful I am not fighting in this pointless war
>>517709413Why can't they create mini s-400s for drones only?
>>517713651>Is it a bird? Is it a (very small) plane?>The radar hasn't got a fucking clue it's all just dots on the screen
>>517713261>Do these even work?Only time will tell>>517713439>You literally created a thread to seethe about it.Seethe about what?>>517713651They have that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir_missile_system
>>517709413Maybe its time Putin the war. I guarantee you if they had a ceasefire and left the borders at the frontlines the war would end. Putin wants retarded things like Ukraine demilitarized, frontlines moved past kharkov, etc.
>despite all my rage I am still just a zig in a cage
>>517713261I can see fragmentation explosives still making the tanks leakthen all you need is a spark
>>517710513How is scaffolding going to stop blast fragments or a shape charge from getting through?
>>517714284Like so.
>>517710680Yeah, who needs gas anyway, huh? Definitely don't need it while 4 years into a 3 day SMO.
>>517711513>effectivelol lmao even. You know what's actually effective? Missile defense systems that actually work and will intercept those drones and missiles destroying all those refineries.
>>517709413>S-400 is neat and allS-400 is not intended and not designed to shot down small long-range drones. In reality, no country has any proper technology to deal with this new problem. Israel is better off with the Iron Dome, however, even there the cost of the missiles remains a major concern.
>>517714589Yeah yeah burgerbrain we know. Everything not American is bad until eventually you adopt it and suddenly it becomes genius.
>>517712800They try, but just end up making it worse by slamming their shitty interceptors into shit they're trying to protect.
>>517714640>S-400 is not intended and not designed to shot down small long-range drones.The long range drones aren't small. They're the size of a Cessna and travel at 150mph tops.>In reality, no country has any proper technology to deal with this new problem.Lmao, yeah okay sure.
>>517713261>Honest Q... Do these even work? How would cages prevent a tandem charge anyway?These work by impeding the low cost, low speed, small drones Ukraine has beenusing to destroy critical components like distillation towers.That won't solve Russia's problems, however.Ukraine is busy making better long range cruise missiles that won't be stoppedby fencing. Ukraine is also making large quantities of drones that can hit all theparts that aren't cope caged.Meanwhile, Ukraine is now wiping out Russia's electrical infrastructure.
>>517712885Israel stands with Russia. 28% of Israel speaks Russian. Why do you faggots never mention that?>The Million Russians That Changed Israel to Its Corehttps://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-million-russians-who-changed-israel-1.5287944>Israel's former Soviet immigrants transform adopted countryhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/17/israel-soviet-immigrants-transform-country>'The USSR Is Our Second Homeland,' Said One Kibbutznik When Stalin Died [Mapam and David 'I am a Bolshevik' Ben-Gurion]https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-nostalgic-for-the-ussr-on-the-kibbutzim-1.5233153>How Russian is Israel?https://web.archive.org/web/20190517123110/https://medium.com/@jeffbuckley7881/is-israel-a-soviet-republic-3c1730ef872b>Russia-Israel relationshttp://web.archive.org/web/20181229111922/http://www.securingourinterests.org/israel/russia/>How the Russian Elite is Shaping Israel God's Business ENDEVR Documentaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq7qMQQ9enM
>>517709413Why can't you do that with fibre optics and an automated chain gun? Drone breach fibre chain gun pop. If there isn't better targeting? Explain which stops drones, completely, cheaper?
>>517714810I doubt they will work though. They may rip the wings off a drone diving down onto the target, but that won't stop that warhead. And even if it impacts directly, it's not clear the beam wouldn't break first. And even if it holds, the warhead will still explode in close proximity to the target and shower everything in shrapnel.
>>517713789Just shoot everything then.Birds will evolve not to fly close to refineries.
>>517714776Geran-3 has a jet engine, still has a size of less than 3 meters and travels 400 mph.>Lmao, yeah okay sure.Yes.
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>>517714640literally anti aircraft autocannons. Russia just doesn't have enough of them anymore.
>>517715028>still has a size of less than 3 meters3 meters squared is a huge radar target retard. If that can't be shot down with SAMs, then nothing can.
>>517709413they could try throwing some tyres up there too
>>517713651Pantsir is supposed to be just that, and the vatnigs claimed it was the best, most effective, point defense system ever created, much better than anything dumb HATO could make. It turns out it's a POS that can't intercept shit except vatnigs and building it's meant to protect. Just like its big brother the S-400 letting ATACMS and Storm Shadow CMs fly right by it, or destroy it. All of Russia's SAMs systems are pieces of shit that don't work as they claim they do in their propaganda.
>>517715264Wagner had a Pantsir during their rebellion and shot down a couple Russian helicopters with it lmao.
>>517715012>Birds evolve a smaller radar cross sectionkek
>>517714954I am not understand drones hitting building today. A fucking cope cage? When basic sensors detect the drone. Not to mention a virtual net, deployed by most senors, syncing to an automated chaingun turret?It seems what we have today is peak autism.
>>517715140Autocannons are being used by both sides, with some success. However,1) you need at least thousands of them2) mobile chassis is a must3) they will become obsolete when every drone gets a jet engine4) they will also become obsolete when the enemy drones learn to fly above 1 km ceiling
>>517714372They aren't hitting them with little quadcopters, and they have the ability to detonate the explosive charges remotely, and have for quite some time.
>>517713789typical microwave radars assume a plane is plane-sizedbird sized things are regarded as noisefunny thing is russia used to show off "company level radar" like 5 years ago but nothing ever came of itit was meant to look for tanks I guess
>>517714676>Everything not American is badNot everything, just Russian SAMs systems. Evidenced by literal hours of video of them failing to intercept Ukrainian drones, missiles (98% of which are HATO made missiles), and artillery shells before getting blown to shit.>until eventually you adopt it and suddenly it becomes genius.Like what, exactly?
>>517710711>seething nigger on an army base in sk
>>517715663No you don't need a thousand auto cannons. You need one ina location to spread the fire. It's firing faster and at longer range than drone crashing into building. You run your senors as a virtual net, making a perimeter around the structure, the same but extended higher.. A breach like what we have as internal security, infrared or fibre optic, reacts with the auto cannon. An auto cannon that should have better targeting today without the censors.It's easier than a cope cage. How many drones to breach the cage? It is ridiculous
>>517714810>These work by impeding the low cost, low speed, small drones Ukraine has been>using to destroy critical components like distillation towers.How, exactly? Are they stopping the blast fragments or EFPs that are on said drones?
>>517716146Why do you think that your armchair expert self knows more about this than people who have literally been fighting a war against such things for years?
>>517716129Drone is lightly armoured but explosive. So you don't want the breach where it can cause additional damage. You can extend a perimeter with fibre optic further away all the way over any structure. Cheaply the same way advertising is today with inage on building. An auto cannon pinpoints contact exactly at the breach.Drone try to stealth? Hahahaha those drones. Auto cannon pinpoint fibre being breached pop. Chain gun firing quicker at greater range. Hits drones. There will be some damage because explosives but any net has caught prior to critical hits. In most cases destroyed prior
>>517714640>S-400 is not intended and not designed to shot down small long-range drones.They said it was able to intercept small UAVs before the war. Then the war happened and it proved to be bullshit, and Russia quietly started deleting all references to the claim.>In reality, no country has any proper technology to deal with this new problem.What new problem? The US has been designing the LIDS/M-LIDS system for a decade to deal with this exact threat. It's nothing new, unless you just started paying attention to these threats because of this war. There's a reason those small UAVs and drones haven't worked against the kikes, and that reason is because they use US tech, research, etc. We all remember shitskins trying to use those quadcopters against the kikes, and the kikes using EW gear to take control of them and land them (see WebM of that happening). They only work against poor third world shitholes with ill-equipped, and underfunded forth-rate militaries stuck in the 1970s (Russia).
>>517715206I don't get it. First you claim drones have the same size as Cessna. That's 27x36 feet for a small Cessna. Then you call me a retard. Then you claim 10 feet size drone is still a huge target on a radar.No it is not. I watched an interview with a radar designer. He claims his radar can detect Geran from 15-20 miles. Ukraine buys his radars. Clearly, 10 feet size Geran is not a huge radar target.Also, the main problem here is a cost-benefit relation. The cost of producing a Geran-killing missile is far greater than the cost of the Geran itself.Why did you call me a retard? I am clearly not a retard. I propose you apologize.
>>517710891This bong really thinks we burn oil or gas for heating, kek. If only there was some kind of readily available lower-grade fuel we could mine in almost every region.
>>517716937Are you burning corpses now or something?
>>517716972Nah we switched to nafo cope posts, there's no shortage of those.
>>517716635Because real world evidence has shown that cope cages and nets are wholly ineffective at stopping blast fragmentation and EFPs from destroying what those cope cages and nets are meant to protect. You act like Russia is some competent world power, when all actual evidence has shown us they're extremely incompetent, and rely on bullshit RUSSIA STRONK!!! propaganda to trick the 70 IQ vatnigs and shitskins that support them online into thinking they're winning. Now, answer my questions, please.
>>517717036I see. Here you go. Keep you warm this Christmas. Savour it.
Roads netted, infrastructure put in cages. Drones are hell.
>>517717072>Coz in da real worl of my fucking basement lair
>>517714640>Israel is better off with the Iron Dome, however, even there the cost of the missiles remains a major concern.That's what the EW, and EMP parts of M-LIDS is for, you third world garbage. Furthermore, Coyote block III is equipped with a HPM and is reusable.You microwave them out of the sky, or hit them with a C-UAS Coyote Block II+, OR you hit them with the Coyote Block III Mordecai non-kinetic effector that is a loitering munition that blasts the drones with microwaves when it flies past them. Lockheed Martin offers a similar loitering munition to Raytheon's Mordecai called MoRFIUS, but more powerful than Mordecai. OR you shoot them with 30mm proximity fused round, OR a 70mm APKWS. OR one of the many DEWs being fielded/tested. All of this is fielded, or getting fielded soon with FS-LIDS, and MS-LIDS. The US has been on this shit for decades, and nothing you think of they haven't already done, or figured out a better solution. Russia is just literally stuck in 1970.Microwave:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlmf032NmHUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtrvr_v2_0MoRFIUS:https://nitter.cz/AirPowerNEW1/status/1680633763196448769https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3_hKfen73YCoyote Block II+:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhlUjX4kZeAhttps://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43799/this-footage-of-jet-powered-coyote-drones-obliterating-other-drones-is-incredibleBlock III:https://defensetechconnect.com/2021/08/05/raytheon-coyote-block-3-successfully-defeats-drone-swarm/
>>517717130I can be in a basement, doesn't mean that this war isn't happening, and we don't have hours of video proving cope cages and cope nets don't work. Your dismissive smug posting won't change reality, Rapejeet Mohammed the inbred poo that worships a literal bisexual cross-dressing pedophile prophet.
>>517716770S-400 is intended to kill aircrafts at long range. If you don't believe it, you can look up a photo of the damn thing. It clearly doesn't look at all like a small-drone killer.>The US has been designing the LIDS/M-LIDS system for a decade to deal with this exact threatThe amazing US technology is 60 years ahead. The LIDS/M-LIDS system is obviously a huge success. If you disagree, you are a russian spy. It is a shame we never see this new, modern technology in Ukraine where it would have helped, a lot.
>>517717457>Let me tell yu about da wor
>>517716972Second largest coal deposits desu he has a point. Really pyric euro winter is gonna be harsh save for krauts but with you carbon tax I bet it'll be harsh
>>517716783>I watched an interview with a radar designer. He claims his radar can detect Geran from 15-20 miles. Ukraine buys his radars.Source? What radar, and what company? Geran are easily seen by modern radar, and easily defeated with EW, Gepard, and APKWS. There's a reason the 100+ Gerans Russia sends do absolutely zero damage. The only thing they're good for is soaking up interceptors.
>>517716678Multiple contact points breached, auto targeted, locked into censor. It's a chain gun firing armour piercing rounds much quicker than drone. Auto turret 500 mph? Drone 170 mph? Auto turret 1000 yards? Drone 0.Autism, like my former reply. There is no reason for suicide drones today against permanent buildings. They'rea conspiracy being exploited with absurd solutions. Instead of historical ones. How to stop B52. Shoot it. Some damage from explosive payload, but not on detail perimeter.
I can't wait for Russia to collapse
>2022-2023>Ruskies put makeshift armor on their tanks cuz they keep getting clapped by drones>AHAHAHA COPE CAAAAAGE>ebin Western Wunderwaffe gets fucking dunked on the exact same by some Temu drone with 10lbs of plastique>Ukies start quietly doing the exact same thing >whenever "cope cage" is thrown in their faces, all they can reply with is "sh-shut up! it's a legitimate strategy!"And now the cycle repeats. How long until UKR/POL infrastructure gets "cope cages" to deal with "cowardly" drone attacks (that they also commit)?>bonus points for them costing 10x the Russian solution while adding no additional capabilities, per the brilliant minds at the MIC
>>517709413that is the most seriously low IQ shit I think I've seen when you consider thermite grenades exist.
>>517709413lmao, absolutely every country is going to start doing this, and you would be a FOOL not to to
>When you have both sides seething at you in the same threadkek
>>517717036Weird, I thought you burnt trad no-homo rape
>>517717536>The amazing US technology is 60 years ahead.Of the Russian military, yes, literally, unironically.>The LIDS/M-LIDS system is obviously a huge success.Yes. Hence, Shaheed clones not being able to do anything to the kikes, being useless in Ukraine, and against the US Navy in the Red Sea - except to soak up interceptors and bullets.>If you disagree, you are a russian spy.Or an idiot.>It is a shame we never see this new, modern technology in Ukraine where it would have helped, a lot.They have some of it. I agree we need to send it to them, but, the cucks in charge are scared of muh escalation because MUH NOOOKS.>>517717583>Let me ignore reality
>>517717955Is that the only way your terminally online basement dwelling ass gets any sort of human interaction? Be an idiot so everyone shits on you? What a pathetic existence you live.
>>517718063The reality is that Ukraine and Russia have been on the ground dealing with the problem personally while you have not.
>>517718210Nah you're just both full of shit in your own ways.
>>517718063Shaheeds have never been used against US Navy. Are you drunk? Or are you a retard? Why are you posting such nonsense?
>>517709413Russia is a joke lol
>>517710891nah Russians are hearty stock. Thats a population that has seen much worse in living memory They can do without heating fuel
>>517717776damn them digitsRussia will throw nukes at Ukraine. It wont lose.
>>517718063>except to soak up interceptors and bullets.Isnt that the point of them?
>>517717740Company name I will not say. They said they deliver to 2 countries, one is Ukraine and another in "Middle East", obviously Israel.>Geran are easily defeated with EW, Gepard, and APKWS. There's a reason the 100+ Gerans Russia sends do absolutely zero damage.Russia doesn't send 100+ Gerans, usually they send some 50, once a week 700+. You do not follow the war close enough. You lack the most basic basic information.EW never defeats any Geran because they still work offline. This is because they have map of Ukraine uploaded and simply follow the coordinates. Again, the basic mistake you make is you think you converse with morons similar to yourself.It is not true Gerans cause no damage. Several videos pop up daily of multiple Gerans striking one after another. Do you lack proper sources of information? Why are you so misinformed? What are you going to do fix this issue?
>>517709413Oy vey!
>>517714589PANTSED
NAFO shills defeated again.
>>517721100does this mean the smo is over?
>>517721336No the war continue for several years
>>517716783An F-22 has a radar cross section of 0.001m2. That's a lot lot less than 3m. 3m glows like a glownigger on radar.
