>>517714824
Unattainum.... an Religion AI.... my religion... it proves god...

>>517714824
After I got saved I prayed about if I should wear a cross necklace or not. The next day there was a cross necklace on my back porch. I know this is a bro trust me scenario but it's fucking nuts and it happened so suck it and believe lol. I shouldn't say suck it but hey I'm just some guy. Anyway Christ is King. Jews are evil I reject the talmud but also people are NPCs and it's kinda funny how they enslaved everybody. Big titty jewesses hmu I need a wife. Yes I've been drinking. Still tho Jesus is epic and the only way fuck you Catholics you guys definitely go to hell

>>517714824
This timeline

Private revelation

>>517714824
>hate, vengeance, mercilessness
traits found in animals and niggers
>love, forgiveness, compassion
traits found only in evolved humans

simple as

>>517714824
>What are your best proofs that Christianity is true?
They're all shit. That's why their book sames them for wanting proof.
They're told that the people with faith are the best ones. So it's all just wishful thinking.
Every philosophical argument has been utterly destroyed, and there's literally no physical evidence.

>>517715364
This, honestly just genuinely ask God or Jesus same difference to reveal Himself to you and enter your life and heart and you'll get your proof in your own way eventually. Took a out 2 years for me to get saved after blindly and half assedly asking for proof after dating some supposed Christian slut. Fuck you Melissa you bi cheating whore bitch but also I loved you and I'm glad I'm saved now

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>>517714824
I think the best proof is spiritual, but archaeologically I think it is picrel. Phillip's tomb was from the right time, the later leaders built a church over top of it a few hundred years later. His daughters are mentioned in the bible and in sources outside the bible. Apostles have to be apostles to someone after all. I am certain that any other proof was confiscated or destroyed by agendas in play in the region.

>>517715480
This nigga can't read the Bible.

>>517715557
I have many times and God has never revealed himself to me or given me a sign. Ive been praying for years.

>>517714824
Research archeological finds related to Christianity (they exist much to the dismay of atheists) and then research the "maximal data" approach to seeing if the 4 gospels are reliable historically.

I bet you're willing to believe a secular history book which was written by the victors at the time, but you're not willing to believe that the gospels, which were well received at the time, and make eye-witness claims (unlike Islam and mormanism).

The Gospels are historical accounts from multiple different people written shortly after the death of Christ that all corroborate the same story of Jesus's life. There are also a few written accounts from Roman sources as well. There is more proof of Jesus's life and actions than there are for other historical figures of the same time period. Many of Jesus's apostles died horrific torturous deaths still proclaiming to him to be the messiah.

>>517715473
I have a question Greek guy, I’m currently near Thessaloniki and I’ve rented a car. How do I pump gas and does anyone understand English?

>>517714824
God loves you. Carl?

>>517715852
I assume you have been jerking it daily. Porn is a spiritual killer. Get help if it is an addiction. Seriously.

>>517714824
read the old and new testaments, use your brain, ask yourself whether what is laid out is compelling. I claim that it is coherent and consistent, and that faith in Jesus Christ as the only way to know God and be saved. judge for yourself, but pray for the help of the Holy Spirit. if it's all fake it couldn't hurt right?

>>517715852
There is a certain syntax to prayer that if you fail to invoke you will be speaking into the void where your nearby demons can hear you and laugh. So instead try something like this, "God be merciful to me a sinner."

>>517716139
I haven’t jacked off since I got married a year ago and before then I did it rarely.

>>517716338
Do you mind elaborating on this? Thank you

>>517715852
Ignore these retards, just keep waiting dude. Keep seeking Christ. Shit happens

>>517714824
it's not true. And if it were true, it would be everyone's moral obligation to rebel against that God.

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>>517714824
>What are your best proofs that Christianity is true?

Jews never Lie. not once.

>>517716253
It seems too fantastical, walking on water and turning water into wine, seems impossible. why did it have to happen before cameras were invented and I don’t understand why God didn’t just have one testament written instead of two.

>>517715557
>>517715852
I didn’t ask for a sign. I got two at the end of my logical ability to understand. I don’t even really like the concepts of Christianity or find them comforting. I just think it’s real and I have no choice but to bend the knee

>>517714824
P1. I imagined a magic genie that necessarily grants every wish that I make.
P2. If I imagined a magic genie that necessarily grants every wish that I make, then the genie necessarily grants every wish that I make.

C1. The genie necessarily grants every wish that I make. [Modus ponens from P1 and P2]

P3. I wished for the genie to be real.
P4. If the genie is not real and I wished for the genie to be real, then the genie doesn't necessarily grant every wish that I make.

C2. Either the genie is real or I did not wish forthegenie to be real. [Modus tollens from P4 and C1]

C3. The genie is real. [Disjunctive syllogism from P3 and C2]

P5. After the genie was real, I wished for the Christian God to be real.
P6. If the Christian God is not real and "After the genie was real, I wished for Christian God to be real," then the genie doesn't necessarily grant every wish that I make.

C4. Either the Christian God is real or after the genie was real, I didn't wish for the Christian God to be real. [Modus tollens from P6 and C1]

C5. The Christian God is real. [Disjunctive syllogism from P5 and C4]

>>517714824
>Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.

What other society wide philosophy produced the world you live in? The art, science, concepts of human rights, infrastructure?

Atheism ? -abortion, consumerism, death, usury
Muslim? - medieval levels of violence
Buddhism? Society of sheep -
Hinduism - filth

The evidence is in you.

>>517714824
I dont think someone like Jesus could have been even imagined by mere mortals, the lore itself is too enlightened

>>517714824
There is no proof for Jewish magic bullshit because it isn't true.

>>517714824
Just read Plato and skip the semitic death cult perversion.

>>517715938
>pump gas
You go to the gas station and the gas station employee pumps it for you.
Tip optional.

>does anyone understand English
Everyone should understand the basics but don't expect too much.

>>517714824
the early martyrs, why die in such brutal ways for something fake. It's not like these guys were hung or were simply decapitated, they were skinned alive and fed to animals and all they had to do to make it stop was deny Christ.

>>517716599
I agree for the most part but Japan and China are atheist and are very successful societies

>>517716768
>semitic death cult perversion
Christ gives you life. You’re too lost in your ego to see it.

>>517714824
>What are your best proofs that Christianity is true?
Jews wrote the Bible and Jews are intellecutally superior to us whites

>>517714824
John 6:44 -

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day."

You cannot come to Jesus Christ without being drawn in by the Father first. It sounds like you may be on the path to knowing Jesus Christ.

The truth of the matter is that everyone already knows that God is real, they simply pretend otherwise, read Romans 1 for further clarification. When you experience regeneration and are given a new heart that is imbued with the Holy Spirit, make sure to read the Bible.

Good luck.

>>517714824
If you have no reason to live, then why do you care whether a God exists or not?

>>517714824
My best proof is Jesus Christ proves Himself to you, AKA: conversion. He proved Himself, His Gospel, His priesthood authority, and His Church to me many times.

Not going to recount the experiences here because they are sacred to me and this place is a sewer.

>>517716454
You must invoke God the Father, like "Dear heavenly father." and then say your prayer, and if you believe in Jesus Christ as the mediator between God and man then finish it with, "in Jesus' name, amen."

>>517716880
The aren’t, though. They are copycat societies.
Japan did great when they were catching up with the west. They took western products, tweaked them and made them cheaper. When they caught up and needed to innovate the next thing, they collapsed.
China is doing the same, just 50 years later.

The martyrdom of the apostles doesn't convince me as Muslim extremists would lay down their lives just the same, truly the conversion of Saul who became Paul, after persecuting christian and experiencing an encounter with Jesus Christ on the damascus road is historical evidence.

Also think about where inherently does out morality come from? If there is true natural moral order it must be orchestrated objective ethics, coming from some sort of higher power, it is subjective and illogical any other way.

>>517716880
very successful societies, you're not trolling here are you? They're worse off than we are.

>>517717171
> Dear Heavenly Jew daddy

>>517715852
Even if he did you wouldn't believe it. Why not try admitting you've done things your whole life to provoke Him and you want to try to stop and you'd like some wisdom on how to do that? Then see what happens.

>>517716599
>Muslim? - medieval levels of violence
Let's not forget about the crusades

>>517714824
Sorry to burst your bubble OP but kiketianity isn't real.

>>517717051
>everyone already knows that God is real
This is a gaslighting tactic. Nobody knows shit. We only hear what we're told & taught, and most do it.

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>>517714824
best proof is prophecy, read Daniel and the book of Revelations, major and minor prophets are important too. From the babylonian captivity to the crucifixion and from the early church to the end of times all has been proclaimed.

Also dont let the title "minor" prophets fool you because theyre not minor in every sense and they grant important insight into prophecy

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>>517714824
Pic related

>>517717247
If you don't believe in sky daddy you're either a faggot or a whore.

>>517714824
Knock, and the door shall open.
Seek, and ye shall find.
Simple as.

>>517717347
> Medieval in 21st century
> compares with pre or early medieval Christian society.
Even then, Europe was better than the muzzles. For instance, Europeans didn’t accept the rape of their boys

>>517717478
Bullshit. Isaiah 40:22 says
> It is He who [a]sits above the [b]circle of the earth

>>517717657
>(Isaiah 40:22) There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,

When this text says that God sits above the circle of the earth, this harmonizes with the fact that the earth is circular, viewed from all directions, but that also makes it globular in form. The Hebrew word hhug here is defined in A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B. Davidson as “circle, sphere.”

This same Hebrew word for circle is found in Job 22:14, where the New World Translation says of God: “On the vault of heaven he walks about.” Now, we know that the vault of heaven as seen from the earth is hemispherical, or like a half globe. The other half of the hemispherical vault of heaven extends below the earth upon which we stand and hence cannot be seen directly by us. In harmony with this fact, when Isaiah 40:22 says that God sits above the circle of the earth, then the word “circle” here is in the same Hebrew sense as that found in Job 22:14.

Thus it follows that the word “circle” in Isaiah 40:22 must mean something that is rotund, just as the appearance of the sky viewed from the earth is rotund and like a vault.

Other translations:

>“the globe of the earth” (Douay),
>“the round earth.” (Moffatt)
>"the round ball of earth." (The Message)

>>517716543
>tGsehl/Y
Read the old testament with the covenant of Christ in mind, before God fulfilled his promise with Abraham (Which was the Christ) he let people rise up and if you look at the Old testament with this in mind you see how the likes of Isaac, Jacob, David, etc were being set up to be the saviors and fulfillment of the covenant, but all fell short and sinned before God, and were born into sin, thats why only someone born of immaculate concept of a virgin would be born without inherent original sin, and came to be direct fufillment to the promises in the OT, to the whole world, and to the jews dismay, fulfilling their covenant and making them the alikes of any other goy or gentile.

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>>517714824
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>>517714824
When Europe was overwhelmingly Christian it excelled far beyond the rest of the world.

When they abandoned God they became slaves to corrupt, objectively evil Jews

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>>517717389
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

>>517717389
We know there are layers of complexity we do not control.
Volcanoes, black holes, time ( infinite or finite)

We try to convince ourselves that we “just need to work harder and we can be God”

We can’t. We can only tend the gifts a Christian God gave us and hope for the best.

>>517715771
>muh big book of jewish fairytales, written by jews, for jews, about jews, and events related to jews
lol. LMAO even.

>>517715907
>archeological finds related to Christianity
You talking about that Ron Wyatt lolcow who's universally considered an embarrassment by christendom? There's not much archaeological evidence for a lot of the bible, particularly the ark and the exodus.

>>517717203
I'm not great with biblical historicity off the top of my head, but a lot of proof does exist. Even if it's muddied at times.

As to the objective morality: everything in nature has a purpose and essential attributes. An apple seed has the inherent nature of growing into a tree. This doesnt mean it's fulfilled. Most are not fulfilled. But when it does grow, we can know and see that it has fulfilled its potential and purpose.

Objective morality is similar to that. In mechanism, but not physical change. When actually fulfilling the purpose that is laid out, there is thriving and growth. It reproduces. When failing to fulfill said purpose, it either never starts or grows into a gnarled and abominable thing that the laws of nature will destroy.

Same thing in societies and people. Societies trending closer to purpose thrive. People thrive and grow when fulfilling their essential and inherent purpose. Emotions such as joy, contentment, etc are natural results of trending toward righteous purpose.

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>>517717389
from wikipedia:

The God gene hypothesis proposes that human spirituality is influenced by heredity and that a specific gene, called vesicular monoamine transporter 2 (VMAT2), predisposes humans towards spiritual or mystic experiences.[1] The idea has been proposed by geneticist Dean Hamer in the 2004 book called The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes.

Heres bill gates talking about it, He seems infatuated with erasing it via mrna gene editing

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>>517714824
shroud of turin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGf2_Gj7Xc

but of course, proof doesn't matter. God chose belief to connect us to him. Imagine him up in the heavens getting your back, and the rest will fall into place

>>517714824
Religion is man made(jew made). its fiction

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>>517717389
oops forgot the video.

Bill gates talking about vmat-2:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rWK7Eq5OKq5T/

>>517717945
Wierd, eh.
The “Big book of Jewish fairytales” was interpreted as extremely anti Jewish for 1950 years.
Suddenly, when Jews dominate, it’s a “Jewish fairytale”

>>517716597
Amongst many problems, c3 is unjustified.

>>517718046
Isn’t this just confirmation bias though?

>>517714824
for me I've just been trying to accept this guy Jesus as my savior but I'm pretty sure the Bible is a straight lie. Jesus was possibly sent by the creator (like Hitler) to actually try to warn us about the demiurge. Either way I don't do much diffferent in life other than believe that this possible alien thing/guy named Jesus was trying to break our prison. Besides, I've been trying to go to church to look for a normal girl that likes dick maybe try that

>>517716831
>stupid cultists doing stupid cultist shit means they're right!
This is your brain on Christian "logic"

>>517718196
When your parents die, throw them in the trash atheists. Their just gone, right?

>>517717051
>everyone already knows that God is rea
Just because you're retarded doesn't mean everyone else is

>>517714824
also, the force for christianity is so inorganic because jews or government want control of the narrative to keep you feeling guilt and from finding the monad

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>>517714824
That the world is turning into shit

Before you believe anything, think about this.
Everything concerning Jewish religion and superstition can be found in different forms of earlier religions from ages before it.
They don't want you to know this or investigate it, and the first thing they will do is try to disqualify it as non liquet because only their religion is real, unironically.

>>517714824
There is a profound wisdom to do much of what Jesus said. And yet most the Bible is nonsense.

>>517717478
>no references for this bullshit
Wow, Christian lies sure are neat
Only one of these I know is the "1100 stars", it's from an astronomer and I'm not bothering to check which one. He didn't claim there are are 1100 stars, that's just approximately the number he had cataloged. This is like seeing something from someone describing several rivers and saying "what a dumbass saying there aren't any other rivers"

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>>517718289
no. it's a matter of design

John 6:40 (KJV)
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

>>517714824
Read the urantia book

>>517718277
How?

>>517717806
>When Europe was overwhelmingly Christian it excelled far beyond the rest of the world.
Which was of course entirely because of Christianity. The people had nothing to do with it. People are empty husks waiting to be filled with religion
>When they abandoned God they became slaves to corrupt, objectively evil Jews
That's just describing Christianity
>>517718250
Just keep lying

>>517714824
the most obvious proof is the epistles/letters written by the apostles themselves like John, Peter and James etc who were all firsthand witnesses who write about Jesus and his resurrection matter-of-factly as if it obviously literally happened (also the letters of John are written in literally the same way as the gospel of John with the same thematic emphases and theological claims). Modern secular mainstream historians claim that these epistles weren't actually written by the apostles themselves but this is pure cope based on literally nothing at all other than the assumed foregone conclusion that 'well they can't be written by them because Jesus' resurrection isn't real;' no other historical documents that were taken for granted as being written by who they say they were and which had copies preserved in age close to when they claim to be written are treated like this.

There is literally no way to explain why they were so convinced of the reality of Jesus' resurrection other than that it happened, especially given the circumstances of all the early Christians and apostles being severely persecuted for said beliefs. Once you accept that the epistles are legit, and therefore the general claims of the gospels really happened, then the rest follows.

>>517715473
>These traits exist, therefor only a semitic foreskin hungry iron age maniac of a ethnogod god is our lord (he loves everyone now trust me)

>>517714824
>BEST PROOF FOR CHRISTIANITY?
There really is none its just wishful thinking.

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According to the bible, which is definitely factually accurate and totally not mythology, the Great Flood happened in the year 2500 BC, roughly the same time as the Great Pyramids were being built.

So basically all the Egyptians got wiped out by the Flood, and then somehow respawned themselves after the flood. Same with the Akkadians.

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>>517714824
first of all you need to logically come to the conclusion of the basics

>how did life come from non-life
>if we have objective morality (human beings know that hurting an innocent child is bad. we have laws coded into our DNA and our bodies regulate us via guilt/remorse. how do we have laws without a lawmaker?
>how is there so much order/design around us? can such consistent laws of nature be reproduced from pure chaos?

look around you and just use your mind. thats what scripture says too; it says that any man with a working mind can reach the conclusion that there MUST be a higher power.

inside every apple is an apple seed to grow an apple tree so you and your family can have apples for generation. all the food we have ever eaten just comes out of the ground and infinitely regenerates itself. you have an insanely complicated body that takes care of itself without you even understanding it. when you get a papercut, what do you do to heal it? just wait and your body heals itself. your brain is just neurons activating by electricity. how does the body generate electricity? there's over 6 ways, your muscles are one of them. your soul is inside an insanely complex flesh-robot

if you want HARD evidence that we 100% have a Creator, it will require you to unlearn everything from your satanic upbringing in school and the pressures of society. 99% of people are going to call me names for this, but the world is 100% flat and motionless, the entire night sky spins around polaris our north star and has for all recorded history. you can easily prove to yourself that you are not on a 3959 mile radius sphere flying through infinite nothingness, and in fact you exist on the motionless center of the universe. the entire night sky spins above earth, meaning we are the center of the universe and it all spins around us. since only one thing can be in the center, it makes us special/unique, which means SOMEONE must have put us here.

>>517719335
Maybe it was being mythological on purpose, like just metaphors and stuff.

>>517718337
Jew

>>517719453
So you get to pick and choose what to believe?
Why would god leave you an imperfect document intending to lead you astray?

>>517714824
the fact that kikes literally counter signal it here 24 hours a day should have clued you in, the fact it didnt makes me think you are a kike acting in bad faith or a retard, as far as tards go we are full

>>517714824
OP, you're just going to get anons into a coping war.
Don't ever let any Christian try to sway you from the one thing you do know and that is YOU DON'T KNOW. Christians will try to control your life, it's not enough that they first want you to admit they are "doubtlessly" correct.

>>517719648
That could be for pragmatic purposes though, not because Christianity is actually real

>>517719648
This. It’s why God just doesn’t exterminate kikes

>>517719627
So do you believe in him or not?
>>517719648
Explain "judeo-christianity" and why so many christians in the us support israel.

>>517719804
> Explain "judeo-christianity" and why so many christians in the us support israel.
You know why. You think we’re fooled by your playing dumb routine?

This is a kike

>>517715721
They compared the DNA inside to what?

>>517719779
the pragmatic purpose is that the christian bible directly says the orignal jews were white and racially replaced by ereb (arab) mongrels that it directly states are imposters and the synagogue of satan >>517719804
>Explain "judeo-christianity" and why so many christians in the us support israel.


this is that practicality at work if they cannot convince a majority christian nation to become secular they will try to controll the "op" the schofield reference bible was instrumental in this. but if things continued at the same rate they are going now, it is not hard to imagine in a hundred years the term "frenchmen" bringing to mind a fancy arab instead of the white mustachioed man the word conjures in our minds due to very simialr demographic shift to the one painstakingly described in the entire christian bible.

>>517719899
>You know why.
Yes because you're easily manipulated morons who follow the fucking torah.

>>517719804
>So do you believe in him or not?
Do I believe in a religion that was intended for illiterate medieval peasants? In 2025 with rockets on Mars and satellite internet? Hmm I don't know anon

>>517720036
the torah is not synonymous with the christian old testament it is only five books you mean to say tanak which contains the over twenty books of the old testament

>>517720049
you took the vaccine didnt you

>>517720125
>it is only five books
Yes the first five books of your bible.

>>517719899
No, I don't know why, I don't follow any religion
>>517719992
Ok, so it's been hijacked, so should Whites follow it still?
>>517720049
Christianity started 500 years before the medieval age

>>517720219
all the books of my bible and the jewish tanak contain unmissable clear prophecies about jesus christ that the arab imposters who call themselves jews somehow totally miss, because they did not write the fucking thing

>>517720269
>Christianity started 500 years before the medieval age
A lot of time to be mired under a dark shroud of religious mysticism where little progress was being made.

>>517720269
>Ok, so it's been hijacked, so should Whites follow it still?

because its far easier to control secular people than it is christians but if they wont abandon christianity entirely they would try and subvert it


the bible is the oldest book in history that was never "lost" and later "rediscovered" and as such is held as authoratative and its VERY clear about who kikes are and who gods people are. if you dont read it for yourself and let someone tell you whats in it you are gonna get fucked up, but once you know whats actually in the book you would realize its really gods gift to mankind and is the answer to kike lies employed even today, 80 percent of what i say to modern kikes modern arguments is directly quoting or closely paraphrasing arguments jesus made against them in the bible and it cuts like a sword

>>517720036
>>517720269
These are kikes

Jesus didn't know who his father was. He thought his father was... the creator of the universe.

What were the Creator's son's last words after being nailed to a cross after nearly being whipped to death: "Why the fuck, dad! Why hast dough forsaken mwa!"

Stendhal provided the answer: God Almighty's excuse is he doesn't exist.

There are two schools of thought on the meaning of life remaining: only you can give your life meaning or let the government give your life meaning.

>>517714824
There is no "proof" that you could give to people that don't want to know God. We only have preserved scripture, and Jesus Christ telling us that he is the truth, the Almighty. That in itself is not something that I can just ignore, that is a profound claim. I can go nowhere else but to him alone, because he has words of eternal life, as Peter also states. People can say all sorts of things about it, they can claim it's all fake, it's not true, truth is something else, and so on, but they have no good alternative, there is no other god that is this plain and constistent and complete through history. There just is nobody else. And as I understand God, the truth, he would not allow "someone else" to take his name (the truth) in vain like that over thousands of years. Jesus must be the truth, he must be the true God, because only the true God has the power of his word going through thousands of years of history to our current year into my hands. No amount of Paganism or plagiarizations like Islam and Talmudism (Judaism) come even close to the power of the words of Jesus Christ. It's also just an inner conviction, a calling from God. You can not transmit that inner conviction to someone else, especially not to people that are not called, that have a hardened heart.
When you observe the world of man with open eyes, you see nothing but corruption and lies and murder and people spinning around in thier own human created delusions, every man and all lies are falling apart sooner or later. Nobody has a grip throughout history. Only Jesus Christ has that grip, only his words remain, and to know whether something is true or not, everything has to be measured with his words.
>Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
>Mk 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
>Lk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

>>517720512
>Jesus didn't know who his father was. He thought his father was... the creator of the universe.

you contradicted yourself


this reminds me of when your arab ancestors who believed god would only answer the prayers of righteous men witness jesus raising nazareth from the grave and insisted even still in saying he was possessed of a demon. kikes are retards

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>>517714824
“Proofs”? You want a cage made of syllogisms. Life isn’t proved—it’s dared.
Christianity asked for faith; moderns ask for anesthesia. The hunger for proof is the fatigue of the soul.

You say you have no reason to live. Don’t borrow one—forge one. Choose a task so heavy it demands your whole being. Amor fati: love your fate, wrestle it until it sings. Build meaning like a blacksmith: day by day—discipline, friendship, music, work, risk. Then ask again whether you need heaven to authorize your heartbeat.

God is a hypothesis of the weary; creation is the answer of the strong. The only “proof” that matters is a life that overflows. Make your life the argument.

>>517720512
>What were the Creator's son's last words after being nailed to a cross after nearly being whipped to death: "Why the fuck, dad! Why hast dough forsaken mwa!"


hes directly quoting the beginning of psalm 22 so that you know hes fulfilling a prophecy contained in the psalm

22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

etc.

>>517720584
>psycho analysis instead of logic
le kike with camel fucking ancestors is u

>>517714824
Evil Demented Israeli Hasbara Kikes post nonstop hatred & seething at Christians on this board which is enough for me.

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>>517720854
theres not psycho analysis there, the arab imposters maintained god answered only the prayers of the righteous they witnessed jesus pray and raise his friend Lazarus from the dead they were literally there meaning he cant derive his power from devils, and they continued to say he was possessed by devils, you are as stupid now as you were back then

>>517720512
>not even knowing something as basic as that that Jesus is quoting Psalms
the absolute state

>>517721151
we teach them every single fucking day and overnight they forget.

>>517720683
>hes fulfilling a prophecy
No. There's no such thing as prophecies.

He's realizing his father is an asshole or he is mentally ill but not realizing too much fasting hurts brain. Truth is the only thing he got wrong in the end is his father being the creator of the universe, probably also caused by an environment filled with relatively low IQ money changing/laundering zionists.

>>517720285
>unmissable clear prophecies
Not really, for instance the virgin birth prophecy comes from misinterpretation of the hebrew word "betulah" which simply means young woman. Not much of a prophecy. Then you have the suffering servant "prophecy" that was never a prophecy of a future messiah at all, but retconned to describe jesus. A lot of it is Nostradamus tier selective reading to make things fit where they don't.
>>517720468
Do what now? My name is Jesus Christ. I'm a what?

>>517718945
>109
>You will be a restless wanderer on the earth

They were expelled by Christian societies.

>>517721320
in the psalm jesus directly quotes while nailed to the cross king david says they have pierced my hands and feet, they cast lots for my vestments that was written hundreds of years before the life of jesus its just PART of ONE of MANY prophecies he obviously fulfilled, your arab kike ancestors rejected him because not being the authors of those prophecies they could not interpret them either

>>517720893
Hi nigger.
Hail Satan. Christcuckery is for browns.

>>517721387
>They were expelled
To other European and/or christian territories and let back in every time.

>>517718945
>the people had nothing to do with it
the Christian people of the time did all of it.

>>517721363
>Not really, for instance the virgin birth prophecy comes from misinterpretation of the hebrew word "betulah" which simply means young woman.

in old english "virgin" means young woman and in the past these ideas were basically synonymous because a young unmarried woman was wither a virgin or a whore there is more to his fulfilling of the prophecies in isaiah than the virgin birth much more

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

>>517716513
They rejected Jewish beliefs, that's why Christianity exists are people this retarded these days even snarky Atheists even know this. Why do retarded faggots keep pushing this. So fucking organic TrollingTopkek.

>>517721601
>was wither
either*

>>517721601
All women are whores.

>>517721524
So you agree, They wander the earth.

>>517721689
they are now, but there was unironically a time spanning thousands of years in white kingdoms where only some women were whores. most got married young and stayed married. even a hundred years ago if you look at the rates of women having multiple partners compared to now isnt even comprable, hell still some places in modernity its like that, over a quarter of japanese women i want to say its a full third remain virgins into their forties for instance and thats not even counting women who got married young and stayed married.


woman are children

>>517721433
prophecy = prediction + from omniscient being outside planet Earth so nobody can verify authenticity + delivery of message by low class hustler

>>517721888
i dont care if you believe the bible you are a kike the truth cant enter into you, you pretended as though jesus was just crying for his dad when he was referencing psalm 22 for its parallels with what was happening at that exact moment to him, and thats what matters

tomorrow you will again pretend you have never heard of psalm 22 it is your nature

>>517714824
If looking at the world, look no further than the seething hate conjured up at His Name. Why would they react so violently to Christ if He is not real, if demonic influence and hate is not real? Test it out.

>>517721824
>woman
women*

>>517714824
>>517716513
its crazy that the so called "based antisemites" on here claim that jews lie about everything but they believe jewish myths from a jewish book and that a dead jewish rabbi is their lord and savior.

>>517722050
we dont believe the people we all know and hate as jews now are the jews who wrote the old testament but the arab imposters the old and new testament says they are. glad i could clear that up for you

>>517714824
It doesnt even matter whether he is or not, tranny. Its all based on personal beliefs. If you want to believe he is real, then fucking do it tranny faggot..

>>517721601
>these ideas were basically synonymous
No not really. I misspoke in my last post. The septuagint which Matthew and Luke read from misinterpreted almah to be virgin, but it doesn't. Young woman and virgin were distinct concepts in the hebrew bible. They claimed jesus was born of a virgin to make the prophecy fit due to a misinterpretation.
>>517721776
They have a country that receives billions of dollars every year and top of the line military armament solely because of christians.

>>517721603
Christians are basically the SJW's of history. They are the moral panickers people who insist on blind obedience to a doctrine. The SJW movement, or the "woke" movement, is just an outgrowth of christian moral feelings.

Meanwhile Charles Darwin literally sounds like an 18th century /pol/.
>all blacks will be eliminated and replaced with whites
>white people have larger brains and therefore higher intellect
>eugenics should be employed to lift europeans to even greater heights
He was based as fuck. All his theories were based and lead you to /pol/ tier conclusions about women, family, society, race.....etc.

>>517714824
Nothing seems to heal problems like sacraments

>>517722184
no even in english virgin and young woman or maiden were virtually synonymous because of how marriage worked through most of history in white nations, if you were a young women you were almost certianly a virgin in all senses of the word in english and in hebrew or else you were a whore

>>517722050
No, no, see Jews are totally different from the "ancient Israelites". Don't ask how they're different, they're still doing the same shit they were always hated for
>>517722115
So? Even if they are a different people they act the same.

>>517714824
Saul, Shimon, Yochanan, Jakob, Mati-Yahu, Yehudas, Bar-Tholomai and a bunch of other jews said so.

>>517721824
Sounds exhausting. Id rather walk away and leave wahmen behind. Tradcucks can have fun being a disposable utility.

>>517722258
>women
woman*

>>517716543
>It seems too fantastical, walking on water and turning water into wine, seems impossible
the purpose of the walking on water is actually to show to his disciples that he is Lord and has authority over the water; when Moses parts the red sea he has to pray to God and God acts through him to part the waters and yet Jesus doesn't even need to pray or say anything and doesn't need to move the waters to walk on land but instead literally walks on the waters themselves, showing that he has power over creation and that he doesn't even need to follow physical laws or be ask to be granted the ability like the prophets. This is why the disciples are so awestruck and immediately fall down and worship him because they instantly understand what it means.
Likewise with the wine; transmuting a substance into another shows that Jesus has the authority to manipulate matter itself and specifically in the case the jars that the water is filled in are ritual jars so by turning it into wine to be used casually for festive pleasure shows that he has the ability and authority to disregard all the laws. Every miracle/sign of Jesus has some attached meaning to it that the disciples understood that hints at Jesus' role and authority, none of them are random.

>>517714824
That you exist, nigger. Look through a telescope and realize how vast the expanse of time and space truly is, and the fact that even if you think there's no such thing as God all of that came from what? Some miraculous inexplicable act of creation? There is a God and the closest man has come to ascertaining his true nature is Christianity.

>>517722290
hey thats not necessarily a bad thing to do even biblically its to whom it is given. paul preached pure celebasy but remarked that he sort of COULD do that in a way he understood others couldnt so for those people its best they should have a wife. jesus talks about celibacy when contrasting worldly eunuchs either by birth or like royal eunuchs with people who chose celibacy but before he talks about that he says "its to whom it is given"

>>517722394
>Space is big and amazes me, therefore christianity correct.

>>517714824
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp4

>>517721989
And why do they never engage with what Christ said?
They are dishonest. They know Christ is the true prophet, come to Earth to teach us how to live a great, fulfilling life in this world and in the next.
But evil hates goodness, so evil tries to destroy good.

>>517722458
>looking at other men makes my peepee tingle therefore christianity incorrect

>>517721984
>you are a kike
I'm from the old school liberal thought (before corruption by kosher/degenerate wokeness) that developed from Nietzsche's ideas of Christianity/Catholicism, the only important religion in the first world at the time, after Darwin proved human life evolved from germs instead of Adam and Eve.

Jesus didn't resurrect Lazarus. He didn't turn water into wine. And he sure as fuck didn't come back to life after Jewish merchants convinced the Romans in charge to kill Jesus for disrupting business by the synagogues.

>>517722416
What I mean is that we should walk away from women collectively, and use artificial wombs to reproduce instead. Women literally hold you back.

>>517722539
you are a kike

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>>517714824
>If God does not exist, objective moral values (good and evil) do not exist.
>Objective moral values (good and evil) do exist.
>Therefore God exists.

>>517715473
>traits found in animals and niggers
Don't forget to add Greeks as well

>>517722544
i think instead of doing that we should just expell the jews and women will naturally fall in line as they have always done in the past under male authority

>>517722699
i always liked you teletubbies sun

>>517722727
theres my boy

>>517722603
No. Jesus was. Not problem you redeemed the card for somebody claiming to be one of his apostles.

>>517714824
>What are your best proofs that Christianity is true?
According to The Gospel of John, the last thing Jesus said while dying on the cross was “it is finished.” That’s a remarkable call to make for a book written around 90 AD, especially in the context of everything else in that book. This was also written at a time when Christianity was a tiny unorganized fringe group of social clubs. Today Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China.

https://youtu.be/PKiAXVxOm6o

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>>517722539
>Darwin proved human life evolved from germs instead of Adam and Eve.
I bet you don't know half of what Darwin said

>>517714824
The hatred Jews have for Christ.

Why would they hate someone who did not exist....

>>517722646
Anon, why do you want to go back to tradcucking? Like on a serious note this is something I ask all the Christian nationalists. They say women are children, women need to be lead, women need to be guided and have all these specific conditions or she'll leave.
That sounds exhausting. If traditionalism was a system designed to keep women in check, then with the invention of artificial wombs its not necessary anymore.
Why do tradcucks want to preserve wahmen instead of look towards abolishing wahmen?

>>517722784
where does the world kike come from? use fold etymology if no proper etymology is available and explain how jesus is a kike using that

>>517714824
Just think about it. Are any Gods you can imagine greater than what you can read about in Scripture? Not only is he King of reality, but he is King of imagination. This is not a coincidence. Humanity has invented many Gods, but one stands supreme.

I usually don't bother proving God. It's a matter of faith. But this angle could help you start your journey. I think perhaps more important than proof of God, is the proof that your own heart earnestly seeks to do what is good, and to avoid what is bad. If you do that, then you'll see Jesus' own words resonate with you.

>>517722807
oh peter! you are incorrigible

>>517714824
>What are your best proofs that Christianity is true?
Read this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/

Alt URL (redirects to the post):

https://www.truth-now.org

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>>517714824
Since every effect requires a prior cause, the universe itself must have a “first cause” outside of it—something supernatural, beyond time and the laws it created. This first cause must contain all the attributes found in creation; otherwise, creation would surpass its source, creating infinite regress and logical incoherence. Because humans possess love, rationality, and relationality, the first cause must also be personal and capable of relationship. An impersonal or singular monadic deity (as in strict Judaism or Islam) fails, since such a being would be incomplete or dependent on creation to express love or relation, making it imperfect and arbitrary. Only a triune God—three distinct persons in one essence—accounts for both individuality and relationship as essential, not contingent, qualities.

The argument extends beyond theology: triadic patterns pervade reality—geometry (triangle), matter (proton, neutron, electron), color (red, green, blue), and relational dynamics (giver, receiver, gift)—implying a structural reflection of the Trinity. This universal triune order reveals a unity-in-diversity at every level of existence.

The author further supports this view empirically: the Bible’s coherence across centuries, Christ’s universal moral example, fulfilled prophecies, the witnesses’ martyrdom, and the Shroud of Turin’s unexplained features all corroborate Christianity’s truth. Even science and reason presuppose a rational, law-giving Creator, which Christianity uniquely provides.

Alternative worldviews—materialism, atheism, or deism—collapse into contradiction, denying the intelligibility they rely upon. Only Trinitarian Christianity offers a consistent metaphysical foundation uniting logic, causality, morality, and relational being. Rejecting it leads either to incoherence or nihilism. Therefore, the Christian Trinity is the only rationally and logically defensible explanation of existence.

>>517722807
>minorities
Minorities implies they are...in the minority. Kind of the wrong term eh?

In california whites are a minority, so they changed all the language to "historically disadvantaged groups" in order to prevent whites from getting access to any benefits or protections afforded to brownoids. In fact the hispanic "majority" still gets privileged access to a whole host of subsidies, social programs, easier entry to school, to any job anywhere....etc

>>517722861
>Anon, why do you want to go back to tradcucking? Like on a serious note this is something I ask all the Christian nationalists. They say women are children, women need to be lead, women need to be guided and have all these specific conditions or she'll leave.
>That sounds exhausting
because despite hating women passionately with every fiber of my being, i love them, and i love infants, i love the white race

>>517722866
I assume you're trying to push the Ellis Island etymology. Can you show a single document signed with a circle to back this up?

>>517722929
See this ... >>517722926

>>517723014
i asked you to provide any etymology even if you have to rely on folk etymology you seem hesitant to describe the folk etymology, how come? what is this ellis island story you refer to?

>>517722901
ok, but the kikes and mudslimes have the same god. you gotta prove why christianity is better than those two alternatives.

>>517722258
English and White nations have nothing to do with the hebrew bible because it was written in heebrew in a sandnigger nation. Almah and betulah weren't used interchangeably and sometimes a woman was described as both almah and betulah. That wouldn't make sense if they were synonyms.
>>517722866
It simply means jewish, the Ellis Island story is a jewish myth that came about in the 60s in a jewish book.

>>517723055
Well liberals tend to have a fantasy that nonwhites are held down by social factors, so the way to fix that is give them privileges while oppressing the whites.

But in reality we know it's genetics that is the cause of the differences. IQ is overwhelmingly genetic and the science is absolutely clear on that.

>>517722866
>where does the world kike come from?
I unfortunately the threads here about it were entertaining. Like I said I'm old/dementia school. At my age, memory cells of low priority things are overwritten by things of high priority like learning Chinese.

>>517723102
See >>517722929

Both Judaism and Islam developed after Christianity. Rabbinic Jews are the only "Jews" that exist today. Their version of the Old Testament - The Masoretic Text - as well as the Talmud were both invented centuries after the establishment of the Christian church in the early medieval era. Rabbinic Judaism is quite literally a massive cope in the form of a religion, based entirely around arguing why "jews" should reject Christ despite how obviously he fulfilled the original Old Testament. This is quite literally the basis of the Talmud, which involves circular argumentation in favor of this for thousands and thousands of pages.

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>>517714824
>best proofs that Christianity is true?
There is plenty of proof for most Christians. What proof do you need? Look at the evidence.

>>517723102
did you read the bible? no? the answer unironically is in the bible the bible in a way DOES prove itself because the old testament books were around for hundreds of years before jesus comes and the porphecies therein also were well attested to historically that he fulfills, why ask anons here to spoon feed you each and every one of these fulfilled prophecies out of context and out of order just read the book as an adult whether you believe it to be true or not you owe it to yourself to know what is in the most influential book in history

>>517723102
I said Jesus. QED.

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>>517714824
Best proof is that he made you anon.

>>517723000
Trips chequed but still, very soon we arent going to need women anymore.
Think about it, what is female nature completely let loose? Something like narcissistic/borderline personality disorder, or psychopathy, seeking out the strongest most psychopathic dude who can rip people to pieces while also cheating on him regularly. Even if theyre "tamed", would you want an animal like that living next to you? I say no.
They are a remnant of the stone age and have not evolved since then. You can use artificial wombs, STEM cell and CRISPR to genetically engineer and make genetically perfect White babies. No need for women anymore.

>>517715852
how closely do you adhere to the golden rule? i'm not saying that's a dealbreaker but it could change the playing field a bit. of course i can't claim to be an expert, but if your "knee deep in the game" like the kids say, then just play on player

>>517723138
>It simply means jewish, the Ellis Island story is a jewish myth that came about in the 60s in a jewish book.

i asked you for the etymology not the definition even if you had to rely on folk etymology, ellis island story? elaborate you seem hesitant, why

>>517723261
>the bible in a way DOES prove itself
How did Noah get animals from South America, Siberia, Australia, and other far-flung regions he had no access to? How did he keep them alive on a wooden boat for a year? How come we have different races of men when we all came from Noah a few thousand years ago?
Where did the Floodwaters come from, and where did they go?

Well we know Jesus was a real man in a historic sense. People cared enough to document his life and teachings. He was crucified for criticizing the corrupt establishment. His teachings spread throughout the Roman Empire. It became the largest religion in history. It survived over two thousand years.

Have you ever stopped and wondered why?

May be people just like the idea of loving their neighbor. May be they like the idea of a God that suffers with us. May be the fact so many people want to believe that it's real is the miracle.

I wouldn't focus too much on what is "real". You won't find what you're looking for by thinking in those terms. God isn't a magical being in the sky and there's not a neat Marvel story to explain what's happening and why we exist.

I don't know if God is real. But I do know we know very little about our reality. Why is existence happening?

My conclusion is that it's better to be hopeful for a God than the alternative.

>>517723078
"Kike" comes either Isaac/Ike or(more likely) the -ki suffix names a lot of immigrant Jews had. It was used first by established American Jews to refer to these lower class immigrants and spread to be used to refer to Jews in general. So, yes, Jesus was a kike because kike means Jew
>what is this ellis island story you refer to?
I really shouldn't engage with "people" being intentionally dishonest

>>517723286
women were always kind of shit anon, but i know this will be hard to believe but they didnt used to be quite so shit. now what used to be a horror story is the status quo, and the kind of thing that was taken for granted is to us a distant dream. its actually fixable, it really is and its not as hard as you think it really just means ejecting kikes, women will fall back in line, you dont have to hop in a time machine to find functional women merely an airplane to a non kiked out nation, the solution is obvious

>>517723436
AI Overview
The word
kike is a deeply offensive ethnic slur for a Jewish person, and its exact etymology is debated, though several theories trace its origins to the early 20th century in the United States.
The most widely cited theory connects the slur to the Yiddish word for "circle," kikel (or kaykl).

Ellis Island signatures: Jewish immigrants, many of whom were illiterate in the Latin alphabet, signed their immigration forms with a circle instead of an "X". This was to avoid marking a cross, which they associated with Christianity.
Insulting nickname: Immigration inspectors allegedly began referring to these immigrants as "kikels," and the name was eventually shortened to the slur "kike".

Other, less substantiated theories include:

Slavic surname suffixes: The term may have initially been used by German Jews to refer to more recent Eastern European immigrants whose surnames often ended in "-ki" or "-ky".

side note whats the deal with your flag, you some kind of pirate?

>>517723406
Christianity is a religion that idolizes the "beggar". The beggar, the downtrodden, the weak is the most heralded person in Christianity. Celsus tells us that Christians mostly proliferated among the beggars, the peasants, the uneducated. The people that see themselves as downtrodden.

While a religion like say, norse paganism, holds the "warrior" as the highest standard. Because those people are a physically powerful race and tend to see themselves as great warriors.

>>517723370
>How did Noah get animals from South America, Siberia, Australia, and other far-flung regions he had no access to

He didn't. Entropy has changed over time. This is why humans gradually experience decreased life spans over the course of the Bible. It's also why trusting radiometric dating based on the assumed consistency of rates of change in isotopes and other factors over time is retarded. Keep in mind there was no reason to simply write in that humans had gradually shorter and shorter lifespans over time in the ancient era, unless it was genuinely a reflection of truth as the word of God - because this is one of the core fundamental pieces of evidence that allows for a correct interpretation of modern scientific principles thousands of years later. It is entirely coherent. Also note that quarks have recently been discovered, like atoms, to be fundamentally triune in structure - like all other elements of reality, and God Himself.

Animals experienced mass variation and microevolution initially in the time of Noah, and this slowed along with all other instances of entropy over time. The animals spread out and diversified based on their environment, like humans.

>>517723480
But female nature on its own proves to be narcissistic and psychopathic. They were only "not as shit" before because of a system men worked tirelessly every second of every day to keep women in line, so they dont go feral and kill their own kids for Chad. Its like sisiphus pushing a boulder up the hill trying to keep women in line, its going to be pointless and it requires constant work. Maybe its time for men to stop taking care of them, walk away, and let them self destruct.

>>517723566
>Christianity is a religion that idolizes the "beggar". The beggar, the downtrodden, the weak is the most heralded person in Christianity.
if an evil satanic people was temporarily in power, and had a lot of power, who in this society flourishes? who becomes the beggar
if a beggar inherits the earth does he remain a beggar?

>>517723322
>i asked you for the etymology
There's no consensus, you would know that if you were intellectually curious. Rather you're very disingenuous and arguing like a jew so I'll answer you like you're one. Christkikes, who have long had pederasty epidemics in your churches, lie like kikes and claim illiterate jews signed with circles instead of x's at Ellis Island. Now this theory is fucking retarded for two reasons. For one, christkikes claim jews can't say christmas so chose to write Xmas instead. I thought jews were afraid of x? Secondly there are zero documents with jewish circle signatures.

>>517723669
^ Reminder that to believe in christainity, you have to deny all of known history, everything we know about science, radiation, paleontology, large parts of physics. You have to be like, the ultimate conspiracy theories.

>>517723566
>Celsus tells us that Christians mostly proliferated among the beggars, the peasants, the uneducated. The people that see themselves as downtrodden.

And yet the Roman Emperor and Imperial court and most educated intellectuals were Christians prior to the vast majority of the population. Interesting how that worked out. Almost like that was a pagan cope for a dying religion that couldn't compete and could only rely on such low tier argumentation as "heh well christians are like gay and weak and we're based and stuff!"

Didn't turn out too well for them.

>>517723688
from my very first comment asking you for the etymology of kike i specified if no widely agreed upon etymology was available a folk etymology would suffice

>>517714824
OP look up the transcendental argument for God's existence (TAG). Greg Bahnsen has a good book and debates on the subject.

>>517723781
It sounds like you were asking for the Ellis Island myth without asking for it because you didn't know it was a myth until you were told.

>>517714824
>PROOF
There is no proof. There will never be proof. It's literally contrary to Christianity to expect or believe there to be any form of proof. Anyone who says shit like "god spoke to me!" hallucinated or convinced themselves that something happened, but nothing ever happens. "Faith alone" etc., if there's some kind of proof then you don't need faith, which means you can save yourself.

>>517714824
>I have no reason to live and I want to know if God is real or not. What are your best proofs that Christianity is true?

Listen for "the voice", it will be like someone standing right next to you, it will not be the usual inner dialog, if you have that.

There's a reason why they called that stupid leftist show "the voice", when you look up "the voice" on the internet all you get is returns about that show.

Most people who say they have heard "the voice" have no idea what they are talking about.

For those of you who have, you know what I am talking about.

>>517723880
>It sounds like you were asking for the Ellis Island myth without asking for it because you didn't know it was a myth until you were told.


no shit, did you figure that out from folk etymology? you were so reticant to give it out because it shows whether true or false this folk etymology that its retarded to call jesus a kike, it also implies less explicitly its retarded to conflated jesus with modern jews at all

>>517715473
You think animals can hate, but you don't think they can love?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ossuary

Jews so vehemently suppressing the trvth

>>517723773
It was spreading a lot in greece and a lot of roman emperors tended to come from Greece. The whole Roman world was shifting to Greece since it's way richer over there, at least at that time. They literally moved the capitol there.
What turned this into a huge religions was the Rome declaring it the defacto religion of the empire and outlawing paganism.

The truth is that Christianity has all this shit in it that makes the believers wild-eyed, fanatical, and destructive anti-pagans. They will literally make exceptions to rules against killing or harming others when it comes to pagans, their fanatacism is so intense.
As a result, the native religions of Europe were basically exterminated by this foreign middle eastern religion. Not really much different from what Islam did to the Arab world.

>>517723553
>The most widely cited theory
Yes, not the truth
Again, can you show a single document signed with a circle? Or a newspaper article from the time describing the practice. Just one and I'll accept there might be something to this idea. So far I've seen nothing supporting it
>whining about flags
Of course
Kill yourself newfag

>>517723771
Modern "science" is a religion for the masses pushed on the masses by esoteric occultists who don't even subscribe to the strict naturalist materialism that supposedly makes them so educated. Look at all the elites practicing rituals and trying to do black magic, while the peons are told that souls aren't real and that they should just like, forget about the possibility of demons mind raping them bro. Just smoke weed and stop caring man. Totally not an intentional ploy.

Science, as when it was originally created by White Christian Men, deals definitionally with strictly empirical data alone. It does not attempt to explain the why, only accurately describe what is.

Without a rational Christian God as the center of truth and logical structure and order, the materialist has zero basis whatsoever to assume:
>The long-term reliability of anything, whatsoever, because a universe of purely chaotic matter offers zero reason to believe in the reliability of anything over long time scales or indeed in the concept of time itself
>The objective reality of an existence outside of one's own perception
>why anyone should care about or value anything, including what is true or false, what is good or bad, or why it matters if someone is right or wrong
>yet they argue on the basis of these terms constantly, while having zero justification for it other than "uh just because"
>yet a low tier Christian who simply believes because they have pure faith is mocked... for having the same reason

It's amazin'

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>>517723406
>Have you ever stopped and wondered why?
Because might makes right was the first rule of survival until Jesus claimed survival was possible in not only alternate but better dimensions using words instead of weapons.

>>517724000
>it's retarded to call a second temple jewish rabbi a kike because in the 60s a jew made up yet another jewish persecution story that never happened
Non sequitur.

>>517724178
who said that stuff in the green text? maybe you ought to take it up with him not me

>>517724000
No, it doesn't because just like the other shit you push this etymology is a complete load
>its retarded to conflated jesus with modern jews at all
Remind me what holiday he was preparing for when he was arrested?

>>517724239
You've been implying it's retarded to call jesus, a rabbi and second temple jew, a kike because kike means christ denier or whatever. It doesn't, it means jew. Jesus was a jew.

>>517724061
>Modern "science" is a religion for the masses pushed on the masses
So you're saying it's just as bad as christianity?
Anyway I just want to make it clear that to accept your book full of talking animals, unicorns and dragons, you have to dismiss virtually everything we know about science, everything that built this modern world we live in. You the a product of a dark, backward age.

>Without a rational Christian God as the center of truth and logical structure and order, the materialist has zero basis whatsoever to assume:
There have been literally 10's of thousands of religions in world history. Each one of them was just as fanatical as you. They all believed in whatever the fuck crazy shit religious people believe. You are not any different, humans are obviously programmed for religion to some degree.
The bible is filled with errors, contradictions, mythology, genocides....etc. It's not the great holy book you purport it to be, it's kind of a shitshow actually, it's not even well written.

>>517724376
i didnt imply that the etymology whether historically accurate or made up implied it

>>517717203
Using Muslims is a false equivalency. Muslims blowing others up or cutting others throats think they are getting big breasted 72 Virgins to bang for eternity as a reward appealing as St Thomas Aquinas said to the lowest base instincts of humanity.

The apostles and other Christian martyrs get to spend eternity with Christ. Now think what that says about Jesus when those that knew him best were willing to die horrific deaths just to spend eternity with him and understand why comparing it to a reward of banging big titted Virgins is a non equivalence from a spiritual perspective

>>517724252
once again from the first time i brought it up i said folk etymology would do, meaning from the beginning i was aware there is reason to doubt the historical veracity of this folk etymology but it hardly matters to this conversation and your first matey their captain seemed to think so as well which is why he avoided giving it even with the "folk" caveat for several exchanges. kikes are part nigger with a hard ARRRR MATEY

>>517724061
Religion is based on faith. Science is based on repeatable experiments. If I say I can turn water into wine by adding Clorox to it, I go to jail if people die from repeating my hypothesis. In religion, if I say the most underage girl in the town has to me in my bedroom before being thrown into a volcano a few days later to keep order, that is religion.

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>>517717777
These heavenly digits don’t lie. He’s right OP. Find a good source to help understand the context of the old and New Testament and you will come to realize the almost unbelievable (ironically) beauty of Christ and Him being THE truth. God be with you sir.

>>517724252
You are ironically making the mistake of believing in Rabbinical Jewish propaganda

Let's break down what modern Jews are and what makes them so fucked up/evil. They are:
>genetically inbred due to isolating themselves from Christian populations in the medieval era, which has caused them to develop a host of unique physical and mental illnesses genetically \

>>517724382
>So you're saying it's just as bad as christianity?

Nope, it's far worse. Christianity can account for objective reality and why empirical science works at all. Nothing else can, ironically including naturalist materialism that modern reddit faggots espouse. You cannot determine anything is real or what reality is or why anything is good or bad or what is true or false without an external, objective, eternal, unchanging governing essence defining laws of logic, mathematics, and time.

>There have been literally 10's of thousands of religions in world history. Each one of them was just as fanatical as you. They all believed in whatever the fuck crazy shit religious people believe. You are not any different, humans are obviously programmed for religion to some degree.

Fallacy. The question of existence is extremely complex.

If you had an extremely complex math problem on a board in a classroom, and had 100 students attempt the answer, and got 90 different answers, and you said only one of them was right, is it then valid to say "uhhh but that's impossible because there's so many hecking none of them can be right!!"

This is basic logic. Try to do better.

>>517724574
>In religion, if I say
if I say and anybody who defies me gets the death penalty... that is religion.

>>517724574
>Religion is based on faith. Science is based on repeatable experiments.

Christianity is based on metaphysical logical coherence. Science is a system that relies on the assumption of a rational, law-giving creator defining long-term consistency and rational laws of logic allowing for the accurate description of an objective reality external to any one individual.

>>517714824
You think Christcuckery will govern you a reason to live? You need to find purpose

>>517724831
this dudes purpose is sucking blood from baby dicks dont listen op

>>517724714
>Christianity is based on metaphysical logical coherence.
Ok, great. Tell me how to turn water into wine. I'm ready to convert.

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>>517724714
>logical coherence
KEK

>>517715915
>historical accounts
>can’t get the number of female witnesses that saw Jesus rise out of the grave correctly


Of course you’d know that if you actually read it

>>517724909
You can't do that. Only God can. God is the rule maker of material reality, he can change it on a whim. No one else can. That's why He's God. What's so hard to grasp? What's with this retarded logic that, because God did something that only God can do that it proves He wasn't God? Totally incoherent.

>>517717478
This could mean 'God' is an alien race that has more knowledge of the universe than us and is using religion as a tool to control humans. Don't know why humans always feel the need to worship something. We're like mindless minions like in The Minions movie.

>>517724949
they are just three aspects of the same guy not everyone here is a catholic some of us read the fucking book actually. jesus says the father and i are one, but god says i am one over and over again. if anything binding god to just three aspects limits him, hes still one but he has been many forms

>>517724600
>Christianity can account for objective reality
Christianity has a man living inside a giant whale for several weeks. Like he literally lived in a whale bro. The global flood, the unicorns, the magic. It's just weird that anyone would take this seriously. But for some reason not only do you believe it, but you believe it with purple-faced fanaticism, to the point that you completely throw everything we know about science in the garbage.

I mean there's plenty of places in the bible where 2 authors tell the same story, and there's significant differences. It's not some infallible book or something. A lot of the older stuff is directly ripped from other religions in Babylon and persia.

>Without a rational Christian God as the center of truth and logical structure and order, the materialist has zero basis whatsoever to assume:
Yeah but if we actually followed biblical morality, we'd all be locked in prison. The israelites in the bible practiced slavery, and implemented extremely barbaric bronze age laws that involved stoning people to death for minor offenses. By the way one such law involved forced-abortions, for all you pro-lifers out there.

When it comes to "biblical morality" you have 4 of the 10 commandments, and a few things jesus said. Which is all just slave-morality stuff. "Let the government oppress you, don't harm those who harmed you, be a good little servant for Emperor Constantine".

>>517714824
There is none, that's why faith is a requirement.

>>517725059
inb4
>thats papinaps ontological fallasy

im not a catholic your spells dont work on me

>>517725034
>Only God can.
You've seen God do this? What makes you so sure. I want to know. I want to be God's best friend IF he can really perform that miracle of miracles.

>>517724714
>logical
>coherence

Lmao

>>517725061
>I mean there's plenty of places in the bible where 2 authors tell the same story, and there's significant differences.

Cite them, and I will demonstrate why the reddit quip you heard was actually false.

>The israelites in the bible practiced slavery, and implemented extremely barbaric bronze age laws that involved stoning people to death for minor offenses

Why do you think these things are bad? Could it be because you've grown up in the context of a western society which for over 1500 years has based its entire legal and moral apparatus around virtues established by the Church created by Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

Also, the Israelites are literally total failures of God. He shits on them constantly. They are told what matters to God is the spirit and they think it's the flesh. That's why Christ rebukes the Pharisees and then they murder him for saying it. That's the entire point of the OT and what jews spent 6 gorillion pages in the Talmud coping with to try to deny it.

>>517724909
add grapes

>>517724881
Adrenochrome is publicly available for purchase on chemical suppliers.

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>>517725034
There are sorcerers in the Bible. They turned their staves into snakes just like Moses. Turning water into wine is child's play compared to that.

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>>517725297
no thanks man im trying to quit

>>517725218
Several hundred people at minimum personally witnessed Christ performing miracles and coming back to life after being murdered, which is why thousands of people willingly allowed themselves to be tortured and executed defending Him rather than simply giving up their beliefs.

I can't think of one single "cult" of crazies, like virtually all other beliefs, that was founded by its creator getting literally zero benefit out of it whatsoever; not power, not fame, not influence, not status, not money, not sex. All Christ got for his trouble in this life was being spat on, tortured, and killed. That is exactly why Christianity is true. That is why it cannot and will never die. Only the Truth can prevail in this context. Only the Truth would inspire someone to do such a thing when all else in the material world is working against him, at literally every level. Simple as.

>>517725377
Sorcerers = trickster, magician. They are differentiated from God's power actually changing material reality because they use illusion to pretend as though they have similar power (Satan is father of deception/lies, as well as kikes). It's all coherent, as I said.

Watching how the other side carries on without religion. And how they scramble to form new ones whether it’s the church or multiculturalism, diversity, trans and all the other isms that destroy and divide a nation.


I could care less if someone is religious or not but they seem to be happier people in general, less mental problems and tend to live longer.

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>>517725253
>Cite them
There's too many to cite.
Jesus gets 2 different genealogies, 2 different birth stories, he meets Simon in 2 completely different circumstances, he's crucified at 2 different times of the day, and resurrected in 2 different locations.

>>517724056
>>The most widely cited theory
>Yes, not the truth
>Again, can you show a single document signed with a circle? Or a newspaper article from the time describing the practice. Just one and I'll accept there
>>517722866
>where does the world kike come from? use fold etymology if no proper etymology is available


ah, i see the confusion, i wrote "fold" i meant to write "folk" so "folk etymology" thats why you guys were so confused. durn it, now i got egg on my face. folk etymology implies that it might not be historically accurate but widely held to be true by the people or "folk" NOT FOLD. whoops!

>>517725253
>Why do you think these things are bad? Could it be because you've grown up in the context of a western society
Bro in the bible they massacre entire villages, kill the young boys, and then take the young girls as sex slaves. The bible tells you how to treat your slaves, and forces women to marry their rapist.

God killing the firstborn of egypt, then marching back and forth in front of Moses bragging about how powerful he is and promising to kill every enemy in their way. This just doesn't sound like the paragon of morality to me. It sounds like some incredibly jewish stuff.

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>>517725533
All that shit was invented by Christians. You guys have a patron saint of mixed race people.

>>517725256
>just drop some grapes into water to make wine
Are perchance a member of the Trump family?

>>517725556
The claims arise from misunderstanding the Gospels’ differing perspectives, not true contradictions:

Genealogies: Matthew gives Jesus’ legal royal line through Joseph; Luke gives His biological line through Mary.

Birth stories: Matthew focuses on Joseph and royal prophecy, Luke on Mary and humble origins, same event, different angles.

Simon Peter: John records the first meeting; Luke records the later call to discipleship.

Crucifixion time: Mark uses Jewish time (9 AM); John uses Roman time (≈6 AM); no conflict, just different systems.

Resurrection: All agree Jesus rose near Jerusalem; later appearances in Galilee fulfill His promise.

In short, the Gospels complement one another, different viewpoints, same core events.

Basic levels of literary complexity. The fact that it was so advanced as a piece of literature again is yet more proof of its divine inspiration - as well as your fundamental retardation. Unironically, have you even read anything past elementary school? Understanding this stuff is basic literary education level.

>>517718250
>interpreted as extremely anti Jewish for 1950 years
No it wasn't you fucking retard.

>>517725755
Yes, it was. Dispensationalism was pushed by Jewish lawyers on Protestants about a century ago. Before that there was no concept of Jews or Israel beyond them being potential heirs to the AntiChrist who shouldn't hold power. Indisputable history here.

>>517725719
no i dont know your angle here are you saying trump is an aspect of dyanosis? whats your frickin angle man! huh! spill it! i just tried to teach you how to make wine

>>517725680
>God killing the firstborn of egypt

The Pharaoh did this. The entire point of the story is that he did it to himself. It's one of the first basic parables of free will and our choices/pride having negative consequences. Come on now.

Additionally, can you explain why any of this would be immoral from your point of view? Are you a hecking scientist? Because I struggle to understand why anything is bad or evil if we're all starstuff that just chaotically happened to come into existence by chance. Good and evil are quite literally human illusions at best in this context. You have any reason to explain otherwise?

>>517722050
ancient hebrews≠modern jews.

>>517725719
you gotta stir em around in there the grapes i mean come on you are being pedantic i know what wine is gotta stir those grapes or else theyll get too hot

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I go back and forth. Since i was saved i have had many good things happen to me. I was about to be homeless.

However, whenever i stop and think about it, a lot of it doesnt sit right with me. What about asians? They had a solid ~1300 years after Jesus rose, zero contact about the word of God. I also cant get behind the chosen people stuff.

But also, i kinda reached a point where I feel like no matter what, it’s probably true in some way. I kinda just wanna die so i dont need to debate it anymore, and before i lose faith.