>>517718988
crypto is not air it's electricity.

>>517718988
>how long before everyone realizes crypto is just air?

The moment it is hacked by a strong computer, it's over. wooden nickels.

>>517719252
I have 1 bitcoin how many generators can I buy?

>>517719252
Where is lightning and thunder found?

>>517719252
Worse, its fuel expenditure to merely exist. Its a negative value.

>>517718988
The problem I see with bitcoin is that people say it's valuable because you fight vs central banks yet people still use the dollar to compare bitcoin values. "Bitcoin is now $120,000. Let's sell it for dollars". The problem is still there.

>>517719316
about 20 good ones. for payment processing you just convert it into whatever the shop takes. it's no different than swiping a VISA card

>>517719252
>crypto is not air it's electricity.
You mean wasted electricity turned into heat

>>517719349
Cars 2 and taco bell.

>>517718988
Bullish markets die hard

You did the right thing by selling, even if it leaves money on the table. Buy silver if you haven't.

>>517719439
Bitcoin is valuable because it has a fixed monetary policy that can't be altered by any government. As you'll find out in the very near future the Euro and USD are both mismanaged (Euro is basically a sub-currency of USD anyway). This is the fault of bad monetary policy by government officials. Bitcoin does not have this problem - it promises a "separation of monetary policy and state."

>>517718988
>can't buy anything with it
You can buy an AF hat.

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>>517719439
Its a pyramid scheme and atheists feel justified praising darwin while shilling their scheme. Midwit stuff.

>>517718988
Money is just paper

>>517719444
So i can't actually buy any generators with my bitcoin? I have it on a "flash drive" hardware token.

>>517719439
>The problem I see with bitcoin is that people say it's valuable because you fight vs central banks yet people still use the dollar to compare bitcoin values. "Bitcoin is now $120,000. Let's sell it for dollars". The problem is still there.
yep. btc and eth were supposed to get away from fiat but they're only compared to fiat. meanwhile no business will accept crypto because it's like putting your products/services on the stock market. this shit is going to be the biggest bubble burst since the dot com crisis.

>>517719252
It's spent electricity, which means it's fucking nothing.

>>517719560
>”it promises”
Wish I had a bitcoin for every time I’ve heard that line

>>517719560
On one condition.

Nobody owns more than 50% of the ledger.

If someone owns more than 50% of the ledger they can just invent new transactions and the other 50% can't disagree unless it is also monolithically owned.

>>517719780
you can't guy any generators with your plastic VISA card either. the fact that you don't understand anything about how payments are processed despite doing it every day does not discredit Bitcoin it just means you're a retard who should talk less and read more.

>>517719755
>Money is just paper
point? if my life goes tits up, tf am i going to do with btc? oh, right, convert it to $. crypto is worthless.

>>517718988
It's going to $1 million in 4 years, you fool

>>517719886
you should spend it on a dictionary to learn what "promises" means in context. it has been tested for 16 years and it DELIVERS on that promise. no one can change the monetary policy of Bitcoin, which is why industries and governments have been buying it up.

>>517719560
This is nonsense. You still use central bank currencies to value it. Let's say you're gonna buy a car with bitcoin. How do you value what the car is worth in bitcoin? Is it 1 bitcoin or 10? If you compare to the dollar then you're still dependent on dollar per bitcoin. From how I interpret bitcoin is that when bitcoin is not bound to the dollar and people use it to buy services or goods then I see why people buy bitcoin.

>>517719947
>If someone owns more than 50% of the ledger
sure, if someone spends $1 trillion to acquire 50% of the supply they will fail because the act of doing so will drive the price up exponentially. in practice that is impossible.

>>517719780
They have debit cards where when you make a purchase your Bitcoin gets instantly converted to USD. Can you gold do that?

>>517720096
the USD is the most widely circulated currency in the world and is used globally as a pricing standard. That's why BTC is usually talked about in that context. If USD went to shit tomorrow what do you think people would use to compare prices?

The rest of your comments are just a product of you being a midwit.

>>517718988
Pretty much spot on. Was in crypto in 2017 and it seemed promising as a way to have programmable money and dapps.

Then basically these shit coins got their millions of dollars and did absolutely nothing with it. It was a giant scam. Then COVID happened and they recycled the scam since people had stimulus money and were hyper online.

All those years and funding and there is nothing to show for it- other than online casinos which is using crypto to skirt gambling laws.

>>517718988
Your bank account is air. Any transaction that doesn’t involve physical money is an exchange of computer information. Bitcoin is computer information.

>>517720047
>It's going to $1 million in 4 years, you fool
that's what i used to think. the fact that businesses still don't accept it as payment makes me believe otherwise. i think all of crypto is going to tank. that's why i got out. if you're the one that's right i hope you make a lot of money.

>>517719947
I suspect this is why central banks/.gov started the "strategic btc reserve".

>>517720254
Remove all central bank currencies. Now you're gonna buy a load of bread. What's the price in bitcoin for a load of bread? You still don't know the value of a bitcoin for a loaf of bread. You can't even say what that number is without using dollars. Is it 1, 10 or 100 bitcoin for a loaf of bread?

>>517720647
if USD fails tomorrow and you have to price in Bitcoin it will be quick and easy to figure it out. The baseline starting point will be whatever the exchange rate WAS to USD, since everyone already knows that. Major currency turnovers have happened a thousand times you could just learn about that instead of asking stupid questions.

Basing the "starting" price on USD isn't a knock on BTC it is just because people are used to pricing in USD. Right now a product that costs $100k is worth say 1 Bitcoin. If USD disappeared tomorrow the product would still cost 1 Bitcoin and people would just stop thinking about the USD part. It's not complicated.

>>517718988
>posts a pic of Bitcoin
> I sold all of my crypto
Did you sell crypto or Bitcoin? And where did you invest your money after you sold? Or are you holding fiat?

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I was buying bitcoin back in like 2017
If my dumbass had any idea it'd be worth over 100,000 today I could have had so much more money. Nobody really knew how big it'd get. I suspect in another 5-10 years we will be in another situation where no one could have really imagined what it became. Just because you can't use bitcoin to directly purchase right now doesn't mean it can't happen. Either way the best idea is to diversify any savings you have, I think it's smart to put a majority in sp500 or index funds, with maybe a small chunk in bitcoin and the other top performers. Keep like 10% in a hysa and just a few months of living expenses in your checking account for emergencies. Also don't buy a new car it's a fucking retarded financial decision and no one really cares how cool your car is if youre a dick head you'll still be a dick head just with a cool car.

>>517720398
it's called strategic for a reason. The governments know that USD as a reserve currency has a limited lifespan - all reserve currencies fail eventually. Anyone competent at analyzing such things knows that the day for USD isn't far off due to the enormous and exponentially increasing debt loads accrued in the past 20 years or so.

Given a scenario where USD lost value and had to be replaced what in the world exists that is best able to provide stability for international transactions? Gold is one option, and the historical player in these moments. Bitcoin is the other, and it has distinct advantages. A government that doesn't own any Bitcoin right now is as stupid as a government that doesn't own any Gold.

>>517720254
dude, the promise of crypto was a currency that was removed from the market. we have had two significant downturns and crypto follows the market. meanwhile crypto is backed by absolutely nothing. USD is backed by the US. Amazon stock is backed by Amazon. frankly if you're a business owner you're better off accepting shares of Amazon for payment. this whole crypto situation is totally fucked. i was a believer that it was the future years ago and i bought in. now i'm thinking that the pendulum is going to swing in a big way. the only inherent value crypto has is that you can buy drugs online. btc to $200

>>517721169
>the promise of crypto was a currency
congrats on believing whatever you chose to believe instead of what was obvious from the implementation of Bitcoin.

>backed by the US
you have to be quite naive to think that is a good thing

>>517720216
>Can you gold do that?
Gold is not a currency. Gold is a low risk commodity investment which holds value against inflation which is why people buy it. You would never offload gold to buy something you'd use a debit card for.

>>517721257
>You would never offload gold to buy something you'd use a debit card for.
and this is exactly the situation with Bitcoin that retards ITT are complaining about. It really is just a digital, internet-native replacement/alternative for Gold.

Even if/when there is a BTC standard most transactions will be made in some other digital currency, it's just that prices will all be pegged against BTC.

>>517718988
Banks are very actively integrating blockchains into their daily operations. In a few years there won't be any distinction between TradFi and DeFi, and the entire global economy will run on blockchains.
This isn't a controversial opinion, it's just a fact. But no, it doesn't mean that your Bitcoin and DogeFartCoin will be worth anything.

>>517720959
>Did you sell crypto or Bitcoin? And where did you invest your money after you sold? Or are you holding fiat?
i sold btc, eth and xrp. just moved it to a vanguard etf.

So has anyone else realized that gold and bitcoin do the exact same thing?

But gold will always hold it's value.

>>517721027
>Nobody really knew how big it'd get
Welcome to hindsight being a bitch. That happens to everyone when you start investing in something. How many people you think sold at like $500 per coin want to off themselves with where it is now.

>>517721512
if Bitcoin always existed Gold would have never been used in this way.

>>517721169
There's practically no reason to believe bitcoin will drop in any significant way. Trump and his entire team is pro-crypto, large corporations are pouring money into crypto, the entire time bitcoin has been around there have been people saying it won't work, but it just keeps going up, nobody knows for sure but the idea behind it makes sense and if enough people believe in it, that's a value in itself.
That being said you are free to believe whatever you choose, I'm curious to what you actually think would be a good investment instead of what you think won't work.

>>517718988
I'd say swapping to gold seems reasonable as an alternative store of value. Gold's only weakness is if Bezos/Musk/etc. really push the limits of space exploration: Could get a whole asteroid made of gold.

>>517720943
Hmm. Makes sense. There are other problems with USA will destroy everything in order to have US dollars.

>>517718988
Going to laugh my ass off when crypto retards get rug pulled.

>>517721169
>crypto is backed by absolutely nothing
It is backed by miners and developers, at least regarding Bitcoin. Having a distributed, immutable database that could serve as a single point of truth does have a value. I do agree however that Bitcoin is allowed to exist, if countries really wanted they could easily outlaw it and crack down on all btc holders, crippling its widespread usage. Luckily we don't have a One-World-Government so banning bitcoin is a greater risk financially for countries than allowing it to live

>>517718988
>currency is a social contract that this token is worth x amount
>various factors effect a tokens value including how reliable and useful it is
>reserve bank controlled fiat currency has been completely subverted to control, enslave and impoverish people while enriching others
>BTC is a fixed, universal token but has fundemental technical flaws that will prevent it from becoming a global currency
>BTC is only really good as a digital wealth store like gold
The only thing blocking crypto is the established banking system fighting and blocking it at every turn while they rush to roll out there version of digital fiat currency which will be 1000x worse than the current reserve bank monetary system.
Cryptobros greed will unironcally doom the planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTKHskg5Tg

BTC is the only crypto worth getting into. Everything else is a shitcoin unless you do heavy research/have insider info

The biggest returns you'll get will be in silver and Dogecoin. Buy and hold silver and Dogecoin.

>>517721248
then keep buying btc. i hope you make lots of money. i'm out though. my brother has ~1M in eth and i told him that i think that the game is over and he should get out. he told me stable coins are the future. tf i have to get my work check and transfer it to stable coins to buy grocery stores that don't even accept btc yet? the entire crypto universe is the 'two weeks' meme.

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>>517721159
I agree, although it seems they intend to have not just a return on investment but a "controlling stake" either by being able to transact against USD at favorable rates to manipulate its value (OG currency scamming). Or having 51% control.

>>517721588
I'm one of those people. I made some Money and I thought it was good for the time but if I was a truly long-term planner I could have had tremendously more but yeah everything is obvious looking back. I've realized that long-term planning is the real strength in life, really have to ride the waves and see where shit goes.

>>517718988
>Reading all these retard replies ITT
And to think here I was, worried we'd moved anywhere near early majority on the adoption curve.
>$114k
>If only you knew how early you really are.

>>517721368
>It really is just a digital, internet-native replacement/alternative for Gold.
In theory yes, in practicality no. Crypto investment is extremely risky whereas Gold is significantly more stable.
Basically it's like trading penny-stocks over blue-chip stocks.

>>517721027
Sound advice. Especially for wagies.
I got out of BTC around 2022 up about 10k. I bought guns & ammo and did a ton of work on my vehicle, new tires etc. Pulled the remainder out in cash.
Don't underestimate hoarding cash. It's convertibility and as a medium of exchange alone makes it valuable. While gold will hold value, can you buy stuff with it? Hoard cash.
Use your debit while you can, but every time I grocery shop I get cash back, goes right into my fire safe.
An all digital system is a Beast System.

>>517721643
>I'm curious to what you actually think would be a good investment instead of what you think won't work.
just buy the entire stock market through etfs.

>>517722182
isn't it crazy
are they really gonna say "muh tulips" all the way to 1 mil

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>>517718988
>how long before everyone realizes fiat is just air?
ftfy buddy

>>517722007
coins that can handle large transaction volumes will probably do well in a few years

>>517722117
>51% control
that is unattainable, even for the US government.

>>517721782
>Going to laugh my ass off when crypto retards get rug pulled.
big banks bought in and pumped it up. there's going to be a point where one bank decides to drop it and all the others will follow suit. everyone is just playing a game to transfer crypto into USD.

>>517722236
> Crypto investment is extremely risky
so far anyone who bought Bitcoin as an investment with a multi-year time horizon has done extremely well.

>>517722709
>transfer crypto into USD.
your confidence in the stability of USD is your error.

>>517722670
"Don't worry goy! Your BTC will be safe from scary viruses in our BTCBank!" Never underestimate how fucking retarded the general public is.

>>517718988
>fucking 20 years of this shit
The Bitcoin network went live in 2009.

>no more valuable than an NFT.
NFT was built on the premise that because the tokens were different (unique and limited supply) that this scarcity would imply value. But it doesn't, it was just a digital signature of a shitty jpg.

Where Bitcoin is different is that it's the utility of the payment network which is useful. The idea that I can send you a Bitcoin via the network and it can't be "frozen" like what happens with the regular banking system is the utility. These NFT projects were just built on top of other networks (like Ethereum).

There would be a lot less demand for Bitcoin if banks didn't freeze your accounts for wrongthink or card companies prevent you from receiving payments for wrongthink. Likewise, Bitcoin's fixed supply is something that people are so brainwashed that counterfeiting money is good that they can't understand the concept that something should be finite. The fixed supply is what reveals just how much countefeiting is going on, when you see line go up in dollars or euro you should be asking yourself how much is that actually due to the thing you're using to price Bitcoin being devalued. Even if you use the Fed's old calculations for inflation (like the 1983) it's still been double digit inflation.

Bitcoin would be largely just a novelty and a kind of 'nerd' internet money that wouldn't have much utility if the monetary system, banking system and payment rails built on top of it weren't all so fucking kiked. That someone has built a system which is independent of all of that and is not reliant on trusting third parties, is what is important about it. If you're looking at it as purely "line go up" you're missing the point. I highly recommend you actually read the original white paper and study things for yourself (Book Of Satoshi is another good resource, it's just quotes of his forum posts).

>>517722289
From what I understand holding cash has no real benefit other than in some extreme situation where you can't get money out of the bank or wherever and you need to buy something now, I keep a few grand in cash for such a situation but honestly the likelihood of it being necessary seems very low to me. Like less than 1% chance. But if it does happen a lot of people will be completely screwed because most people hold next to nothing in cash, maybe a few hundred at most. And as far as Mark of the beast talk, seems a bit schizo to me, but that's just me. Do guns actually gain value over time?
>>517722355
Yeah like I said before the stock market is just better in a lot of ways, tried and true especially if you use index funds. Going all in on crypto seems a little silly I'd put at most 30% of my savings into it because they could ban it tomorrow if they chose to.

>>517718988
You can buy Philipp Plein merchandise with Bitcoin.

>>517723045
>stock market is better
if you know why that is, and look at what is happening in the world, you'll realize that it won't last.

>>517722709
Gold is not going up.
USD is going down along with every other debt based currency. There is no conceivable future where the dollar increases in value.

>>517719560
oh for sure bud. having a monetary system owned my jewish millionaires in "decentralized finance" really different than having a monetary system owned by jewish millionaires in traditional banking.

>>517722778
>your confidence in the stability of USD is your error.
why? every crypto is literally valued in terms of USD. if the market goes down, crypto goes down. crypto was supposed to be a store of value. it's not. fucking no business lists prices in terms of crypto vs USD. the experiment is over.

I’d really like to think my 1500 in btc is going to be 15k in 4 years but I’m most likely going to have to sell it to pay my fucking rent

Crypto is a giant scam always was. It is like the Dutch tulip craze

>>517723253
Maybe, maybe not, could you explain? If you're referring to war with Russia or inflation then I'd say I'm somewhat aware and I follow world events pretty closely. I still don't see much danger as of now aside from the usual posturing of countries like Russia and China, and the general inflation we've been experiencing for many years now. That's why I put money into the stock market, to gain against inflation instead of losing value in a checking account. I should buy some gold too but I really don't know much about it and I don't want to get scammed.

>btc detractors
gonna be honest the only people i see doing this are assmad people who are left out, and they tend to be malding genx who look like unironic schizos when talking about it irl
being anti-btc/crypto is cringe inducing, it's looking at people who WANT TO BE good goyim

imagine wanting to be a slave

>all these poorfags whining and seething
top kek

>>517723318
>monetary system owned by
no one can change the monetary POLICY of bitcoin, which is what matters.

>>517723481
learn something more about money and currency before trusting your own thoughts and reasoning on the matter

>>517723563
the Dutch tulip craze wasn't what you believe it to be. admit that you've never even read the wikipedia never mind actually good research on it. what you believe about it is a meme.

Capitalism is a disease. Every Capitalist country is destined to fall and go to shit. You've traded everything natural, your family, your culture, your love, your morals, your dignity, your freedom, all of it in exchange for jewish printed monopoly money.

>>517723595
Stocks are ownership shares in American corporations. If those companies become far less profitable due to large shifts in global realities then their prices will decline.

>>517723822
you're in a welfare state you faggot

>>517723595
Buy paper gold - no storage concerns or chance of misplacing and no massive markup either. If the underlying infrastructure that props up the stock market fails you will have bigger problems than muh GLD is gone.

>>517718988
Because it is tied to fiat.
For example, no one gives a shit about Dogecoin, and everyone loves Bitcoin.
When the central banks crash, the crypto market will disappear instantly because no one will be able to buy food with a type of cryptocurrency.

>>517723884
Well yes that's the general idea and where the risk comes in. I mean I could drive my car to work tomorrow and possibly be killed in a car wreck, people do every day, that doesn't mean I'll avoid driving my car to completely avoid risk. I'll just drive carefully and safely, if the analogy makes sense. I understand everything could theoretically collapse tomorrow but my own belief and opinion is that things will continue for the foreseeable future.
>>517723939
Never heard of that but I'll check it out, I always thought you just buy gold coins or bars and keep it in a safe place like a security deposit box or even an actual safe. Seems so old world to keep a physical treasure like that locked up and hidden but golds performance recently has made me think it's worth at least a modest investment.

>>517723266
>USD is going down along with every other debt based currency. There is no conceivable future where the dollar increases in value.
the point is that seeing 'currency' as an investment is insane, especially when no businesses accept it. and they're not going to accept it because it's basically putting your products/services on the market place. imagine doing a roofing job for btc and realizing you lost money at the end of the day. then you have to hold your btc and hope it goes up so you can pay your workers in btc. but they don't want btc they want the hourly wages they were promised. shit makes no sense.

>>517724442
BTC is convertible same-day into USD or whatever you want. As long as that situation exists the matters you describe are entirely irrelevant. This is also why people don't bother setting up payment infrastructure for BTC - that's expensive and the digital payments infra we have now works. Further, there are huge monied interests and lobbies that seek to protect their very very big business in this area.

None of this has to do with the value and utility of Bitcoin, of course.

>>517723768
>learn something more about money and currency before trusting your own thoughts and reasoning on the matter
what should i learn?

>>517724350
The purist will buy gold and a numismatist will always buy coins both common and rare but I had advice from a numismatist that paper gold has the full weight of the current economic system behind it and is as safe as any other blue-chip investment but with a better return.

>>517724821
>paper gold
If you don't hold it, you don't own it Bruce. You just have an IOU.

>>517724442
Where I live crypto is classed as a commodity and taxed accordingly. Calling it cryptocurrency is how the originators dreamed it would be used but not the current reality.

>>517724583
what they are and how they work. you can learn this on Youtube.

>>517724962
It's semantics desu, what do you really own? A 30 year mortgage? Your house until you decide not to pay local land taxes?. A lot of shysters charge 20% or more markup for a bullion coin, you can avoid this with paper gold and still gain the benefits of the price going up.

>>517725073
>Where I live crypto is classed as a commodity and taxed accordingly. Calling it cryptocurrency is how the originators dreamed it would be used but not the current reality.
which is why i think it will collapse. my brother follows this space very closely and i shared my thoughts with him. he said 'stable coins are the future!'. fucking no. i'm not converting to stable coins and no business even knows what stable coins are

>>517718988
Its just building the framework for CDBC, but its current form is just a speculative asset that gets used as an inflation hedge/store of value. At this point, I don't see it as anything different from any other currency or security you can own.

>>517718988
Bottom signal

>>517725236
>what they are and how they work. you can learn this on Youtube.
the fact that you can't give me a simple explanation is proof that crypto has no future.

>>517725637
>can't give me a simple explanation of an extraordinarily large and complex topic with thousands of years of accumulated knowledge behind it.
the future doesn't belong to lazy cunts. never did.

>>517718988
Its actually an entire global network and computing power built from a grass roots movement of miners that overtime have built an entire industry of specialized chips, protocols and fintec to reimagine what wealth and value is.

Sorry but youre just an Indian or Jewish.
Either way i know youre not white.

London represents the current financial globohomo and they are all brown.
That is what fiat represents, a sea of brown mutoids all clicking and shoting ebonics.

It was never worth anything. All those losers who bought out all the decent gaming cards back when just wanted an excuse to buy the cutting edge shit and say "It's FOR CRYPTO, so it's justified that i have 250 of these things and fuck others out of getting one". Literal 1's and 0's, nothing but lights shining through a monitor screen, that, somehow is worth, something arbitrary because people say it is. The MT.Gox scandal should have clued you in this is all just bullshit and that was forever ago now.

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>>517725590
I buy everytime I see someone post an anti-btc thread so far its worked well

>>517718988
>fucking 20 years of this shit and you still can't buy anything with it.
I bought a house with it, so this sounds like a you problem. Keep being a loser.

i've been telling everyone Bitcoin is a scam since it was $10

>>517725734
>the future doesn't belong to lazy cunts. never did.
thanks future boy. please wave to me when i'm watching you launch on your rocket ship to the moon.

>>517725813
They usually do this when BTC increases in value, its a bot farm linked to undermining the supposed market sentiment.

AI and LLMs parse social media to gauge market sentiment and so they created bot farms to crash the price by trying to artificially undermine the algorithms that try and guage sentiment.

Our markets are entirely fraudulent today, hut crypto is not, the value of what you can exchange for dollars will change based on the sentiment.

if the people just stoped using fiat entirely foe their trade then that would be very funny indeed.

It would not matter one bit what their artificial markets bot net price makers set, as no one would care about their fiat.

>>517726041
Education is your own responsibility and I say this to help you. He's doing you a favor by pointing you in a direction, you can't expect everything to be handed to you on a platter. Could turn out to be nothing, could be very important, the fact that he's not an advertisement trying to sell you pills or a car is a good sign man

>>517718988
probably 5 more years at least

>>517725978
>i've been telling everyone Bitcoin is a scam since it was $10
some dude was promoting eth on /pol/ when it was 12 cents. he was giving it away for free. my bro follows eth closely and says most of the devs sold at $90/coin.

>>517718988
Any made by Jews can be unmade by Jews.
Jews can’t make gold or silver yet.

>>517726569
Like clockwork the gold and silver shills enter the discussions. Everytime its predictable down to the exact reply no.

Gold and silver are not competition to the digital dollar, in fact they are tools to support fiat.

Like 8+ years ago 4chan was full of posts promoting Theta Fuel

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>>517725316
>what do you really own?
A piece of gold that you can hold, with no counterparty risk.
>A lot of shysters charge 20% or more markup for a bullion coin, you can avoid this with paper gold
You can also avoid it by not selling to shysters. Lol I hope for your sake that you're very young, otherwise you're just not very bright.

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>>517726450
Yeah I know general sentiment is important and I don't think it's far-fetched to think some people work to change said sentiment. All I know is everytime an anti-btc thread is made on pol, btc usually goes up. If I see pro-btc threads on pol it's about to dive. Either way I just hold but I know when to buy

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>>517718988
Why won't environmental activist ever talk about bitcoin?

This shit is more damaging than open pit mines.

>>517726810
That's what I was thinking, I appreciate the other anons recommendation but it seems more obvious to have the literal gold in your possession. Having a ticket for its possession seems the same as stocks or even crypto, but idk I have never even heard of paper gold but my gut feeling is it sounds like a scam

>>517726505
>Education is your own responsibility and I say this to help you. He's doing you a favor by pointing you in a direction, you can't expect everything to be handed to you on a platter. Could turn out to be nothing, could be very important, the fact that he's not an advertisement trying to sell you pills or a car is a good sign man
when someone effectively tells you that you're retarded and you ask 'why?', the onus is on them to tell you why. 'oh go look it up' is fucking nothing.

>>517726810
Don't tell me you don't pay a massive markup on purchase or sale of physical gold. At most you are looking at 1-2% on paper gold.

>>517725978
kek

>>517726990
He did give you a vague idea of what to actually look into. I think what he meant is look into the fact that the modern dollar is essentially based on nothing but belief. I'm not smart enough to explain it succinctly but the modern usd is based on basically nothing but revolving debt if I understand correctly. That and the usa military willingness to kill anyone who dares attempt to stand against it.

>>517726871
only eurofags still care about "carbon" larp bullshit.

>>517726990
I told you to specifically study what money and currency ARE. those are actual titles of videos and books. you need that foundational knowledge to grasp why Bitcoin is seen the way it is. If you acquire that knowledge you're ahead of 99% of the population.

>>517726829
Its because Jews are here trying to keep neo Nazis poor and dont want them to attain financial freedom.

Pol is overwhelmingly flooded with shit skins and Jews

>>517727695
>I think what he meant is look into the fact that the modern dollar is essentially based on nothing but belief. I'm not smart enough to explain it succinctly but the modern usd is based on basically nothing but revolving debt if I understand correctly.
but BTC and every crypto is based on the dollar. i can't buy anything with BTC, so what's the point? just wait two weeks? it's never going to happen. the crypto train has been rolling for quite some time now and the only thing crypto is good for is selling it to someone else at a higher price than you paid for it and then converting it to USD.

>>517727695
>modern usd is based on basically nothing but revolving debt if I understand correctly. That and the usa military willingness to kill anyone who dares attempt to stand against it.

pretty much it. the issue is that the debt has revolved too quickly and we're nearing a terminal velocity of that. this is commonly the preceding note to a currency collapsing. the second problem is that the usa military has been weakened severely over the past 20 years and has been fully exposed in the last three. it is no longer able to stop resistance. That is what the Russia war is all about. The consequences of both of these happening at the same time are as predictable as rain in April.

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>>517726974
It is a scam, or at least it has all the potential to easily become a scam, do some jewgle research on rehypothecation risk, as just one danger. When you're playing with paper wealth, you're playing the jew's game. Physical gold is a store of wealth intended to preserve your purchasing power over time, it is a very conservative investment, not a speculation. If you're going that route, it's far superior to take physical possession rather than yet another piece of confetti. And it's nonsense that you'll have to eat some huge premium just to sell it, I can list a 1 oz Gold eagle on eBay right now at spot +$100 and sell it (because dealers mark up even more from spot).

Having said that, I do enjoy speculating too but the way to speculate is not to invest in paper gold it's to speculate in mining stocks, and if you really have an appetite for risk, a junior explorer. The australian anon clearly is way out of his depth, I wouldn't listen to anything he says. He should be lurking, not pontificating.

>>517727775
>I told you to specifically study what money and currency ARE.
ok, so can you explain? it shouldn't take you more than a few sentences.

>>517728448
it does take more than a few sentences. there are several key concepts you have to grasp. money and currency are invented human concepts, not natural things, so you have to know the history of how humans invented these things, why, and what we've learned since then.

relevant to the BTC topic, but only profound if you know what I mentioned above: BTC is valuable because it has a known and limited supply that is permanently fixed.

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>>517727775
ok i asked grok. you're basically retarded. keep buying btc my friend.

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>>517728448
Money is an agreed upon tool for storing and exchanging value, a way to move value through time and space. Currency is digital confetti that would be the most outrageous criminal fraud if perpetrated by someone in the private sector.

>>517728600
>it does take more than a few sentences. there are several key concepts you have to grasp. money and currency are invented human concepts
like sex and gender? fuck off retard.

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>>517728694
This is so wrong it's painful. Grok must be a central banking jew.

>>517718988
Nobody know how long the fad will last, but NFTs have mostly been abandoned. You can probably expect some other crypto type to become popular as the reason for Bitcoin specifically to become irrelevant.

>>517728809
>This is so wrong it's painful. Grok must be a central banking jew.
tell me why it's wrong?

>>517728600
And has the ability to be exchanged within our digital market place.

which gold and silver cannot that is what they keep ignoring and that is the vital part.

Its about competition to the monopoly of digital currency that the jews control.

The jews wanted to turn all our nations brown economic zones so we naturally should undermine their financial power and take from them the fiat that they used to destroy our world with.

They cannot have their cake and eat it, this is what they dont get.

>>517728992
>Nobody know how long the fad will last, but NFTs have mostly been abandoned. You can probably expect some other crypto type to become popular as the reason for Bitcoin specifically to become irrelevant.
the entire crypto ship is going down. all the crypto guys are talking about stable coins now because they know the big coins are dust. but tf is the point of a stable coin if it's just tied to the USD? you mean i'm supposed to transfer my cash to a stable coin and take it to a gas station that doesn't accept any crypto, let alone a stable coin? all this shit is fucking cooked.

>>517728315
As someone who was involved in btc back when it was $3k a coin I can say the "wait two weeks" meme has held true. You need more people to invest in the idea, not just the capital, but the very idea and it gains momentum. Since then, it's now over 100k, and while I didn't really have investment money back then, anyone who paid attention back then could have made a lot of money. This is a change in the monetary system. I'd say research the change from coins to paper money, initially people were very skeptical of paper money, as they had a decent reason to be but either way the world evolved into paper money only, and then to computer accounts, etc. Money evolves and if you adopt early there is much gain to be made. Just look at the patterns.
>>517728328
War with Russia is a very real threat not only to our economy but to out way of life. It is getting very dangerous but I'm truly betting on some sort of peace settled between Russia and the western world. As far as China I have no idea but I have a hunch that china wants to avoid war at all costs unlike Russia who has a long history of war at any cost.
>>517728387
Right, I'll do some of my own research along the topic but it seems that holding physical gold is a better idea, holding a note for something like gold seems silly when the whole point is owning something physically of value instead of stocks/crypto etc.

>>517729047
get laid easily in thailand? i went there with my wife. she left a day before me. i turned on twitter and it exploded. had a date. bought dinner and drinks. we parted ways. i was in my hotel and she texted me. next thing i know she was in my hotel giving me a bj.

>>517728995
The basic concept that you'll want to explore is
>hardness
(sometimes more imprecisely called scarcity), which gold shares with Bitcoin. It's one of the so-called six (or seven) main characteristics of money.

But to quickly address Grok, if currency is just another type of money (implying that it's just as good as any other), then why has it lost 87% of its purchasing power since 1971 and gold hasn't lost any? That alone should tell you that the emperor has no clothes. And never to trust Grok for anything but recipes.

>>517718988
when they lose their air
>i cant breathe

>>517719947
>If someone owns more than 50% of the ledger
Retard, a 51% attack has nothing to do with ownership of the tokens, and even if someone manages to do a 51% attack all they can do is block some transactions, they can't unwind any or force sales or anything like that.

>>517718988
>crypto is just air
>>517719252
>crypto is not air it's electricity
>>517719356
>its fuel expenditure
>>517719477
>wasted electricity turned into heat
>>517719859
>It's spent electricity, which means it's fucking nothing
i'm guessing all of the coiners are off with their loads of money not spending time on this shithole full of nocoiner brown-skinned low-iq genuine retards?
it's WORK
it's a consensus system called proof of WORK
it's "energy spent" to solve what are essentially a series of very hard math problems and each coin is a solution to one of these and represents the work required to solve one of these.
it has value because governments and kikes cannot censor a solution to a math problem.
that's what bitcoin is
a solution to a math problem
math cannot be jewed
you've had SIXTEEN YEARS to figure this shit out, come the fuck on

>>517729243
>it seems that holding physical gold is a better idea, holding a note for something like gold seems silly when the whole point is owning something physically of value instead of stocks/crypto etc
You got it, that's how you invest in physical gold . . . by holding physical gold. It seems pretty obvious to me but there's still plenty of people who don't get it, or think saving 1% in some hypothetical commission scenario is worth all the counterparty risk. But like I said I'm not opposed to "paper gold" as a speculation if by "paper gold" one means shares of a mining company. My shares of WPM, for example, have been pretty kind to me lately and that's a relatively conservative speculation. It just depends on your risk tolerance and your time frame. You can place wealth in both baskets.

>>517729522
gold is connected to a physical asset and BTC/ETH is not. crypto is all air and could collapse at any moment.
>OMG BTC DROPPED TO 50K!!!
then the normies buy and pump it up a bit
>OMG BTC AT 25K
rinse and repeat. this shit is going to happen with all of crypto because it's useless. like buying a beanie baby in the 90s as an investment.

>>517728694
>"i asked grok. you're basically retarded"
>meanwhile, grok:
>"money is like a toolbox and currency is like a hammer. also, hammers are a type of toolbox but not all toolboxes are hammers"
same way /pol/ will never understand how crypto works (because they are now brown, low-iq, dravidian niggers) they will never understand that "AI" isn't a threat to anyone with a three digit IQ

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>>517718988
>crypto is air
Except for $WHACKD token, which is backed by the Epstein files as collateral.

>>517726990
>>517728315
you are being obtuse. He alrady explained it ITT all you have to do is click his ID. then, there are others, spoonfeeding you ITT

you can buy stuff with it. you can buy things with stocks too. and gold

heres how that works, a simple process:

>sell asset for the fugazi monetary notes
>buy what you want to buy
or
>borrow against asset for fugazi monetary notes
>buy what you want to buy

>>517722289
In crisis cash is subject to rapid inflation since it can be printed in unlimited amount by a retarded government that's trying to patch holes in the budget. Also it's not an investment and it depreciates in value. Don't listen to this nigger. Don't hoard cash.

>>517718988
>Jim Cramer says to buy.
lmao

>>517718988
>fucking 20 years of this shit and you still can't buy anything with it.

i buy drugs with it online which is great but other than that it is indeed useless.

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>>517729937
Read >>517729783
He's basically explaining hardness from the Bitcoin perspective. It requires work, in the form of energy and labor. More Bitcoin can't be created without work, and in fact an increasingly greater amount of work over time, just like gold can't be pulled out of the ground without work, and in fact an increasingly greater amount of work over time. Whereas the USD can literally be created out of thin air in infinite amounts with a few taps on a keyboard by a jewish gnome in an office somewhere. Get it now?

>>517729243
>War with Russia is a very real threat
we've been at war with Russia for years and have lost

>>517730050
@grok, kill this man

>>517729937
crypto is more valuable than gold because it is backed by permanent truths
one bitcoin represents the solution to a math problem
once you earn it, that's yours forever until you give it to someone else
once that solution is learned, it cannot ever be unlearned
it is more secure than ANY PHYSICAL OBJECT in the known universe, including gold
a jew can clip the edges of a gold coin and we can add ridges until the jew finds another trick but it cannot ever clip OBJECTIVE TRUTH and solutions to math problems
it's like jesus christ reincarnated as a currency

>>517730212
the method matters but the fact that it is unchangeable matters even more. the predictability of supply of BTC and the inability to alter the monetary policy is the most important thing about it.

>>517730398
brownoid word salad
kill yourself you little jeet nigger

>>517729783
except now some chink tranny and her army of simps hijacked Bitcoin because shitposting and sending jpegs on the blockchain is a human right or some shit
Bitcoin died in 2023

>>517730461
sorry for using three-syllable words

>>517730093
>you can buy stuff with it. you can buy things with stocks too. and gold
none of these things are 'stores of value'. everything is based on dollars. if SHTF your guns and bullets are more valuable than a fucking bitcoin.

>>517730464
more brownoid word salad
all of you tiny little jeet niggers are going to go back to being so impoverished you die of dysentery in a river of shit once jews lose control of the money supply, which is now guaranteed to happen, even if it happens gradually.
>anon, it's just 2 + 2 = 4
>"chunk tranny simp hijack shitpost jpeg human right -"
like jesus christ nigger, fucking kill yourself immediately and spare yourself and the world of suffering
>>517730489
you could use five-syllable words and it wouldn't make you any less of a complete fucking retard
i solved a math problem. by doing that, i now have over a hundred thousand "dollars"
in five years, without doing any more work, i'll have five hundred thousand dollars because it's not that BTC is gaining value, it's that every fiat currency is hyperinflating like it's in the 1930s and you can't hyperinflate (read: JEW) cryptocurrency
stay brown, little nigger

>>517730680
you have no clue what happened in 2023 or the current civil war going on with Bitcoin do you?

>>517718988
Literally everything is just air. Our entire monetary system is based on the premise that a few countries wont just decide to call our bluff one of these days. Thanks for playing.

>>517730212
i understand the concept, but btc still isn't a practical currency. no business accepts it after all these years. it would be more reasonable for businesses to accept stock in forms of payment. it's the same thing though. accept stock/btc. then everything is on the stock market.

>>517730261
Can't really agree with that. We are in a proxy war by my estimation. We have Ukraine doing the fighting for us and until it evolves into a full blown war we really haven't seen where it will go in any estimate. If it ever gets to that point everything we are talking about will be out the window, we will be grabbing our seats hoping we don't get fucking incinerated

>>517730498
Thats also true of the USD. And Gold. Literally none of it has actual value if shtf. For currency to have any value, you have to have some kind of a society. Otherwise its just powerful warlords attempting to form one.

>>517718988
If buttcoin pump price hits a ceiling, then it's all over.

>>517730862
>after all these years
fuckin nigger, it's growing faster than smartphones but your myopic melanated nigger ass can apparently only comprehend things that are right in front of you

>>517730845
>what happened in 2023 or the current civil war going on with Bitcoin do you
oh my god did i miss it? did i miss THE BIG THING you're talking about? the "current civil war"?
see, here's the fucking thing you KIKE RETARD
i STILL have my bitcoin. even after your "oh my god big thing" and "muh civil war", it's STILL THERE.
BECAUSE ITS A SOLUTION TO A MATH PROBLEM and it doesn't care about any of your weird jewish pilpul.
you cannot make it go away and you cannot create any for yourself.
get FUCKED

>>517730900
it doesnt matter if you agree its a true fact that is real. you are just misinformed.

the USA has been directly running many operations in Ukraine and it's not as if they don't know how to work our missiles correctly. they'd be just as ineffective if launched by fat americans

>>517731273
look at this fucking spastic. settle down, faggot

>>517731273
posts like these are the ultimate FUD

>>517730359
>it is more secure than ANY PHYSICAL OBJECT in the known universe, including gold
it's not though because the only endgame is converting crypto into fiat. all the crypto bros know that they're eventually going to fiat. they judge their net worth in terms of fiat. it's a massive scam and everyone is just trying to predict when the music stops. the music may not have stopped yet but i got out.

>>517731215
anyway I dont drink the koolaid bitcoin is cool but there are plenty of other opportunities in the world

maxis are retarded if they expect the world to embrace a good idea. otherwise p2p filesharnig would be more popular than in the 90s. few care about decentralized shit at all.

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>>517718988
it's not air. it's electrons on a disk. and those electrons can be teleported to different planets if need be.

just because the currency is small doesn't mean your feelings get to make it worthless.

it is your deepest desire to have a lot of bitcoin

>>517730862
>>517731215
it's a retarded jewish nigger jeet bot that has posted this thread at least once every single day for a long time now
the OP always mentions "do a rug pull" without ever specifying how such a rug pull could ever happen (it can't)
it's like babies first FUD attempt. the hubris of jews is always going to be their downfall.
sure your jeet slaves will worship you but they're so retarded your throne is built from sticks and mud and is going to collapse very soon. that's why they can't keep their shit together for more than 80 years while actual humans have had civilizations lasting hundreds or over a thousand
>>517731336
little brown nigger, why are you so mad?
because you don't have a bitcoin because you are too poor?
because a kike can't just rob it from me through theft or inflation to give you a fake and meaningless "air currency" (FIAT, DOLLARS, etc.) so you can keep up this extremely poor FUD attempt?
>>517731437
>posts like these are the ultimate FUD
jeet nigger
>>517731438
>the only endgame is converting crypto into fiat
the endgame is converting fiat into crypto you stupid fucking nigger retard that's why it started existing and is not only not going away but exponentially gaining value
do you even know what HYPERINFLATION is?
of course not, you're a gay and retarded little brown jeet nigger

Bitcoin is a failed technology.

All the grand claims that its proponents initially promised never materialized.
It's not a fast, nor cheap method of exchanging currency. Traditional banking is still superior in speed & cost for 99% of cases.
It's not really a threat nor a viable replacement to the financial/monetary system.
Everyone can see your transaction history and your balance. (You're literally risking your life or attracting kidnappers if you have a lot of it).

Nobody even uses real Bitcoin (Layer 1) anyway. The great majority of trading volume (and thus most of its valuation) comes from centralized exchanges.
If centralized exchanges were all shut down tomorrow, its price would collapse >90% overnight.

Even the claim that "you can't print more Bitcoin" is false, too.
Since most "Bitcoin" is being traded on centralized exchanges, they can practice fractional reserve banking with it, which means that effectively, they are in fact artificially increasing the supply.

The only "success" is that this useless piece of shit is worth a lot of money and great to speculate on. But the technology itself is worthless and has no intrinsic value.

I'm all for making easy money speculating if you can, just don't be delusional about the future of this technology. It's a huge game of chicken, and the last one holding BTC when it ends will be the loser.

>>517731440
decentralization isn't the issue. the value of having a monetary policy that can't be fucked up by dutch politicians is very big. if USD was deposed as reserve currency tomorrow is there another national currency that the world would trust to take on the role? whose GOVERNMENT they would trust to manage the policy well? of course not. therein lies the benefit of BTC.

>>517718988
I’ve been using my BTC to bet on niggercollide games on sundays. When I win, I get paid back BTC. So I actually use mine.

>>517730862
True, it's a much better store of value than a medium of exchange at this time, but that problem is relatively trivial. One can convert gold or BTC to dollars as needed. I'm much more concerned with preserving purchasing power over time, and being immune from jew shenanigans.

>>517719439
ok, bitcoin is worth several kilos of gold. are you gay or are you gay?

see, this is the game i'm playing with crypto. people (especially americans) cannot figure out what money is.

near as i can tell, you people did not get an education on money in school. when i was in ELE FUCKING MENTARY SCHOOL they took us down to the bank and talked to us about jewish interest rates and i've always known about this.

not even going to tip you fags off

>>517731577
>failed technology
>used globally 16 years later
>spawned trillion dollar industry
it's no Apple Watch i guess

>>517731577
>Even the claim that "you can't print more Bitcoin" is false, too.
Since most "Bitcoin" is being traded on centralized exchanges, they can practice fractional reserve banking with it,

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>>517731654
You haven't checked the gold price lately, have you?

>>517731577
>Even the claim that "you can't print more Bitcoin" is false, too
that's all you need to read from this low effort LLM-generated FUD to know everything else in that post is useless niggerjeetbabble garbage
you want to know how valuable BITCOIN really is and how worthless fiat currency (DOLLARS) is?
if fiat currency was worth anything, jews would be able to afford better shills, but all they can afford is tiny brown niggerjeets and LLM word salad posts
LOL
can't even afford one white person to shitpost for your side of the argument
within five years, you won't be able to afford bread with dollars, and coiners will be living like kings

>>517731615
i bought some shady digital services just last week using bitcoin. i once bought a 4ch pass from this very site using it.

>>517731509
>it is your deepest desire to have a lot of bitcoin
i had a decent amount of btc and eth. not millionaire status but i think the house of cards is going to crumble.

>>517718988
>if i cant see it then it isnt real!
is the earth flat too?

>>517731301
Russia knows our involvement as well as Europe's involvement. The thing is as of now Ukraine is the Frontline we have been using, without putting our name on it. What we have now is not total war, when the masks come off it would be much more ugly. Right now we are doing what Russia and China have done for decades which is support smaller nations against one another ie. Proxy war, war by influence. Usa China and Russia could destroy the world and they all know it so they depend on these smaller nations loyalty to isolate the rival and reign Supreme. This is not full on war because full on war would alter life for everyone forever and that's no understatement

>>517731703
they're called boomer rocks for a reason. people with functioning frontal lobes can see that Gold has no advantage over Bitcoin but in fact has several huge disadvantages. It is inevitable.

>>517731527
calm the hell down nigger
I don't need to continue the conversation with some low IQ retard who doesn't even know what an inscription is
You're lucky Bitcoin Knots is catching steam and Bitcoin isn't going anywhere otherwise you would be the next generation of BCH/BSV bagholders created by Bitcoin Core

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>>517718988
Get out while you still can.

>>517731774
> but i think the house of cards is going to crumble.
this is true, but you've identified the wrong house of cards

>>517731774
>i think the house of cards is going to crumble
oooo, what a spooky and ominous line
you should write scripts for hollywood
you'd fit right in because you
ARE FUCKING GARBAGE AT WRITING
you write like a CHILD
>>517731834
NIGGERNIGGERNIGGER
shut the fuck up
i have a bitcoin, you clearly do not
you want bitcoin
>>517731846
i hope jim cramer tells you breathing air is good for you so you suffocate your little faggot ass to death like the retarded tiny niggerjeet you are

>>517731846
This is actually the strongest argument against Bitcoin in the entire thread. Lol

>>517731846
We warned them. RIP

>>517731812
yes it would be more ugly but to our great disadvantage. Ukraine's infantry is better than ours would perform. Russia's ability to strike and take out our ISR/etc is much higher than they have used. If the Pentagon thought we had a chance they would have taken it. Russia is ahead of us militarily in nearly all relevant areas. That is why Hegseth is working hard to improve readiness - the Pentagon has learned from Ukraine. Even if we tried to go nuclear Russia has the advantage there - both offensively with delivery missiles AND defensively with air defense.

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>>517731817
>It is inevitab-ACK

>>517731899
>i hope jim cramer tells you breathing air is good for you so you suffocate your little faggot ass to death like the retarded tiny niggerjeet you are
Damn bro... Get your blood pressure checked.

>>517731914
True. But Cramer is also in on the reverse-index joke now.

>>517731899
I have many Bitcoins you inbred ass monkey
for your own sake please stop replying. it's embarrassing that it's 2025 and you're still parading around surface level talkingpoints a toddler could recite thinking you're some gigabrained superchad

>>517731698
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's retarded.

>>517719316
>>517719780
You don't have 1 BTC you larping faggot. If you did then you would have figured these basic things out already.

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>>517731899
>you write like a CHILD
i'm 54 and mentally disabled. so shut your trap. keep buying btc. the nothing currency.

>>517718988
the jews run it and own most of it now. it isn't going anywhere.

>>517732075
i do understand, which is why I know that what you've said is retarded. do you really think that no one has considered this before?

>>517732138
>Alright I'll pay you 0.5 BTC for that can of tuna just let me grab my bike and generator first bro

>>517731817
the retarded boomers, including gen x, says stupid shit like
>EFF DUH INTURNET GOZE OWT DENZ U CANT BITCON
>the wurld war threeeeeeeeeeeee
>REEEEEEE

yeah faggots, if ww3 happens then how the fuck are you going to securely transfer your gold on roads? do you even know what ownership by paper means? do you know what a promissory note is? do you think the internet roads are less safe than roads for vehicles? my fucking god the stupidity is high

>>517732059
>let me fabricate this hypothetical doomsday scenario as a piss poor attempt at FUD
hyperinflation is a more severe and immediate doomsday scenario that is happening right now
>my solar flare beats your bitcoin
>well my jewish government beats your dollar
and right now the jewish government is winning in beating the dollar to death so i'll pick bitcoin, thankyouverymuchtinyniggerjeet
>>517732064
>LE, CHECK YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE
what an AMAZING argument from a tiny nigger baby jeet who definitely didn't give up on arguing and FUDing because even you realize how fucking garbage you are at it.
>>517732072
>IM VERY VERY WEALTHY SAAR
LOL
>>517732160
you're not mentally disabled, get it right.
YOURE A FUCKING RETARDED LITTLE GAY NIGGERJEET
i've also noticed how all of your retarded offshore team has stopped trying to argue the reasonable points and started just ad hom'ing your way through the thread.
guess that means i win
GG
you still can't print bitcoin or take mine away, so that's a loss for you

>>517732219
because I'm not Moroccan I have considered this before hand, which is why this room has lights. We've actually enslaved the Dutch to power the bike generators since they are into that and their comically large size adds leverage, plus requires additional calories to sustain so they have to earn their keep somehow.

>>517732020
Stats are stats but real life changes dramatically in real time. I'm not in favor of any war with Russia, I'd prefer a partnership but obviously that isn't easy. I think it's imaginable we make a treaty with Russia somehow to avoid this catastrophic war that could be. Russia is not dumb and neither are we, it just comes down to making a deal both parties are willing to accept. I know Russia is willing to fight unlike almost any country in the world so it would be wise for us to make a deal and make it favorable for them at least for a time.

>>517731661
>>used globally 16 years later
It is used primarily for speculation, not as a preferred means to buy goods and services compared to traditional banking.

There isn't really many situations in which using BTC is an advantage over traditional banking.
Even if you're a literal terrorist and can't use banks you'd still be retarded to use BTC because the blockchain is 100% public and everything you do or have is traceable.

To be honest, after reading your other posts I feel stupid for bothering to write a serious reply since you argue like an immature child.
Best of luck to you and I hope you make your money and exit before this thing inevitably goes to zero.

>>517732331
We started a war with Russia to try and destroy Russia. They are winning that war. We could stop the fighting any time we want by simply surrendering and admitting we have been defeated. The longer we wait, the greater our loss. That is the reality of the situation.

>>517731703
i was just making a point. i didn't run the numbers.

point is: bitcoin is worth an amount of gold as well. but if these retards had any bitcoin they'd never trade it for gold, they'd want USD and they'd be pissing their pants with joy that they were able to get USD.

also, i have heard this fallacy by socialists and communists endlessly; they say stupid shit like "i don't care about gems at all, except their obvious value, so i would sell them for money". well yeah retard, the VALUE people put on them allows you to get CURRENCY to convert that energy to something else. just because you're an idiot doesn't mean reality stops. no human understands gravity but that doesn't give us magical powers to disobey gravity

>>517732355
>There isn't really many situations in which using BTC is an advantage over traditional banking.
post nose

>>517732219
disingenuous kike retard, you have bitcoin as one of the tools you use.
in a worst case scenario where every currency is hyperkiked, then YES, you will get on the bike, you will get your generator, and you will make a transaction
but more realistically people will just move somewhere where they can use convenient paper currency under some system that doesn't try to immediately rob them in broad daylight
think of it:
if the convenient currency was safe and secure, bitcoin would have no value and would not exist.
but this is an exponentially increasing falsehood, so bitcoin exists and is rapidly gaining value.
the real investors are stocking up on bikes and generators

>>517732251
>you still can't print bitcoin
Core could come out with new update tomorrow that can triple the supply overnight but you clearly have no clue about what's currently happening with Bitcoin or how corrupt the Core devs have become
please sell all your holdings now, I don't want to share a world with your low-IQ spiritually brown ass and certainly don't want to see you around the Citadel

>>517732251
i'm so low iq that i would sell my btc to you if i still had any. never even had a whole btc btw. many eth but not btc. sold it all because i'm low iq.

>>517732467
if core came out with a new update tomorrow that tripled the supply overnight every would immediately fork the chain without that update and then core would immediately stop being bitcoin, it'd just be some jeet shit called core
you are such a gay ass retard it's not even funny

>>517732467
>Core could come out with new update tomorrow that can triple the supply overnight
sure and everyone else would ignore them as a tr00n fork and proceed as per before.

>>517720254
USD lost over 10% of its purchasing power this year alone. That's one in a long series of bad years for the USD. Actually, the USD has never gone up in value over time. It's only lost over 99% of its value since it was introduced. Moving away from the gold standard and adopting the Keynesian economic system just guarantees that the dollar ALWAYS loses value and never goes up.
People who aren't retarded with money are always looking for better things to store their wealth in than inflationary fiat cash. Real estate, stocks, precious metals, and yes - Bitcoin.
It's a complete midwit mindset to think "OOOOH DOLLARS ARE MOST VALUABLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I USE TO SHOP AT WAL-MART!!"
Dollars are slave scrip for wage cattle.

>>517718988
>how long hurr durr
number go up. if you cant understand that one simple fact you are a fucking idiot. you can rage all you want and speculate and make up all kinds of fantasies around it. the fact remains. number go up.

>>517732400
Seems more accurate to say we were surrounding russia and they finally said enough is enough and made a counter offensive. We never really invaded them. Personally i think we should ally with russia but our government is so compromised that the idea of that seems impossible

>>517732620
most people can't grasp the exponential function.

>>517732679
sounds like you need to read something not written by jews and europeans on the topic.

>>517732544
>>517732556
considering Bitcoin should have forked in 2023 with when Taproot was found to have an inscriptions exploit, I find this hard to believe. Core went through great lengths to silence Luke and any opponents to their tyranny and have gone unchecked since, none of the devs responsible got banned from developing Bitcoin or even reprimanded. Bitcoin has been kiked, it's just what it is
The Bitcoin you and I hold now is not the Bitcoin we once knew

>>517732795
>bunch of tranny gossip nigger jeet babble
yeah, bud, let me know when any of that shit actually matters and changes the balance in my wallet
if it ever does, there willl be a fork that respects the laws of mathetmatics and that fork will be bitcoin
now seriously, go fucking kill yourself

>>517732735
If you have something I could read it would. I am open to learning as much about the conflict as possible. I follow russian sources as well as western sources to gain the best idea I can.

>>517732795
people who get really into scene drama like this are always massive retards. I can see how gay you are through the screen.

>>517732866
You should look into Andrei Martyanov if you aren't familiar. He does a good job on the military side of things. Alexander Mercouris on youtube is excellent for the geopolitical angle.

bitcoin has value because there's always been a bigger retard willing to buy your bitcoin for more than you paid for it

however, the world suddenly seems to have run out of bigger retards

now you're the biggest retard

>>517732795
Sounds like a good youtube video explaining how "the bitcoin now is not the bitcoin you knew" whether or not it's true.

>>517732941
bitcoin has value because jewish people like the one who paid you to post this trash can't take it from me or block me from using it

>>517732856
kill me yourself nigger
or better yet, make use of your troglodyte-IQ existence and double homocide Gloria on your way out so that actual intellectual Bitcoin holders don't have to put up with you or Core ever again
>>517732869
okay nigger

>>517733057
i have no idea who the fuck Gloria or Luke are and i don't care
i have a 256 bit private key and a big ol' chain of data that says i have some amount of bitcoin
take your luke, your gloria, your taproot, and all your other tranny bullshit and shove it up your ass then slit your fucking wrists

> Btc is not Scarce
There are only 21 million
> But thats not real, you can just create a any token, please just buy gold and silver.
> But it cant be traded online
> Yes but what happens if the internet is turned off, like a switch
We have a digital ledger tech can work offline
> What if electricity stops working
You have solar panel that can charge your phone

> Just buy silver my white brother in Christ, please trust me stop buying this scarce digital asset that is able to undermine the monopoly of the federal reserve.

But i dont like fiat its hooked nosed jewish pedophile coin. The future is decentralized, not in the hands of those that created an artificial monopoly on the issuance of currency.

You can expect people to use fiat digital dollar when you erased the nation states.
> Buy silver and gold then, crypto is scam what happens when solar flare or cbdc?

Nothing.

Rinse abd repeat, there is nothing new in these threads ever and its the final result if all discussions, they fail but continent to rattle off the same old nonsense.


Gradually i began to hate them.

>>517733014
using it for what? to trade for dollars? oops, uncle sam says you're a terrorist, no dollars for you

>>517732922
I'll look into them just for more information, can't have enough sources

>>517733203
no one will do anything about that, of course. they'll just accept uncle sam making rules. no one has resisted at all in fact.

>>517733203
and if uncle sam says i'm a terrorist and can't get my convenient fiat i either start committing homicides or i simply move somewhere where i can get my convenient fiat, and i can do this because i have a store of uncensorable, unjewable, bitcoin
QED

>>517732972
there's plenty of videos on Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV already but they're intellectually dishonest and are for failed Bitcoin forks. Bitcoin survived those and remained Bitcoin™ since
Bitcoin did not survive Taproot 2023 and the fact that people don't even know what happened is testament to its subversion and what's quietly driving Knots adoption
Bitcoin is just another shitcoin now, but it doesn't need to be

>>517732430
Nice meme. Oy vey, you caught me! I'm definitely not arguing with a child.

Use your damn brain, for god's sake.

How many times have you used BTC to actually buy something in real life?
How many times have you used a credit or debit card to buy something in real life?
How many times have you used fiat cash to buy something in real life?

If it's so superior to traditional banking (of which I am no fan) THEN WHY DON'T YOU USE IT?
Why is it that all conversation about BTC is always centered around
>"it's worth so much in FIAT CURRENCY I'm gonna be rich bro"
instead of "I love this payment system, it's so useful!"?

>>517732972
Essentially this. It's a big game of chicken that ironically can only exist because the central banks are printing so much worthless fiat that people will even risk it speculating on this.
If we already had sound currency, the gold standard or something similar, there is no way in hell people would "invest" it into this shit.
It's only with our ever-inflating central bank shitcoins that BTC might seem a good investment by comparison.

>>517733140
>There are only 21 million

>to currently 8 decimal places
>theoretically to infinity decimal places

>>517733128
nigger nigger nigger
BIG NIGGER ALERT

>>517718988
It's too late. Big Tech wants crypto to be an asset, like a stock/bond, and not a currency.
And then they want to issue they own crypto that they control, to be currency. So the government can have full control.

>>517732174
Untill they cash out.

>>517733241
>>517733267
>two cointards implicitly admit bitcoin has no use except purchasing fiat
bitcoin is a derivative of fiat
its "inflation-resistant" properties are greatly exaggerated by the speculative bubble it's in

>>517733332
the decimal places are a direct measure of how unsecure fiat is and even if more are used, the amount you have doesn't change

Imagine a currency that works online, immune to inflation theft so that the jews can steal your savings, you have cross border access to wealth so your not being taxed by jews for leaving to places that treat you better.

While also not funding feminism, BLM and all the other antiwhite DEI policies that you are forced to fund when you use fiat currency.

Not to mention all the genocide and wars that are funded by your taxes and inflation theft.

Its just obvious to everyone thats not a shill.

>>517733414
>its "inflation-resistant" properties are greatly exaggerated by the speculative bubble it's in
it's inflation-resistant properties are baked into a literal mathematical equation you stupid fucking tiny nigger jeet

>>517718988
Bitcoin is the most real form of currency ever. All other crypto is trash.

>>517733429
except the lead Bitcoin dev is a chink tranny and her army of simps effectively killed Bitcoin in 2023 because shitposting on-chain and sending jpegs of monkeys is a human right or some some shit
tldr run Knots

>>517733332
People don't understand that the 21MM limitation doesn't mean anything because nobody actually uses Bitcoin at the Layer 1 level.

Most of the "Bitcoin" people use and trade is in centralized exchanges, and they can make up whatever number of it they'd like.
Centralized exchanges can in fact "print" Bitcoin at will because they aren't obligated to have a 100% reserve.
They could have only 90% or 70% or 30% of the Bitcoin all their users deposited, and sell the rest.
As long as enough people don't withdraw their BTC from the exchange, they can get away with it.

So we have the exact same problem that fiat has: fractional reserve banking. Banks making up numbers in a screen.
So even though they can't print real Layer 1 Bitcoin, it doesn't matter, the effect is the same.

But most people are too dumb to understand this, and legit believe that the supply is fixed, not realizing they're not even using real Bitcoin (Layer 1) in the first place.

They already traded their "gold" for receipts of gold that they can print at will.

>>517719755
paper>air

>>517733576
>a bunch of people are retards
does this take bitcoin out of my wallet?
NO
does this block me from transacting bitcoin?
NO
well, i guess it doesn't matter then.
you should invest in bitcoin so you can afford a better LLM model

>>517733455
no, you don't understand
there needs to be demand for scarcity to matter
and for there to be demand for a thing, there needs to be a reason for people to need the thing
people buy bonds because the issuing institution or government guarantees return of principal plus interest
stocks are a claim on a company's assets and revenues
what is a bitcoin?

>>517718988
>crypto
I'll never buy into this shit because I've seen its actual widespread use as currency.
>child porn
>drugs
>firearms
It's actually astonishing we have a "bitcoin reserve" when all it serves to do is de-circulate currency, enriching these subhumans.

>>517730464
>>517733565
what kind of actual fucking faggot hops on their VPN and just copy-pastes their own post under a different ID as a form of arguing
LMFAO
is this a pro-bitcoin thread in disguise?
are you just false-flagging as a giant fucking retarded niggerfaggot and making anti-bitcoin posts while doing so to make more people want bitcoin
bravo to you

>>517733691
>and for there to be demand for a thing, there needs to be a reason for people to need the thing
that reason is that my bitcoin cannot be taken out of my wallet without me moving it, bitcoin cannot be printed, and the transactions of bitcoin cannot be censored
that gives it value
what part of that do you not understand?