If eugenics works, why don't we use it?
You won’t fight decay by wrapping yourself in fairy tales about a golden age, you’ll only sink deeper into it.The only way forward is to take determinism seriously: to accept that human behavior, cruelty, and even mass delusion aren’t random but patterned, rooted in biology, psychology, and environment.If you follow that truth without flinching, you gain the ability to diagnose entire pathologies; psychopathy, parasitism, narcissism.Not as moral failings but as forces that cluster in groups, corrupt systems, and drag civilizations down.That clarity strips away excuses, strips away illusions, and gives you the power to actually cut rot out at its source instead of chasing shadows.
>>517763223A lot of people don't know what eugenics actually means. They think of it as inbreeding.
>>517763223>humans can select cows for more meat and milk>therefore, humans can select the “best” traits for humans Who decides which traits? There, I just gave a basic answer addressing his question on logical ground. Dawkins is a fucking idiot
>>517763379You're right. Good luck getting normies to understand though.
>>517763223Because we give humans a special status, above animals, and don't subject them to breeding practices.
>>517763595Non-nigger
>>517763223Hitler ruined eugenics, the Charlie Chaplin moustache, and the name Adolph.
>>517763223Because normies are spiritual niggers
>>517763223But Anon... if we used eugenics... THAN YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE!!!!
>>517763595>you can object on ideological grounds>okay but what if I object on ideological grounds, gotcha retard
>>5177632231. because the nazi's embraced it and wanted to become ubermen, the best possible version of humanity and that's wrong because uhm shut up fascist2. We don't necessarily understand what good traits to select are. For example if you allowed the jewish retards in control of western civilization to select genetic traits for white people, they'd turn everyone's children into niggers and then gasp not understanding why civilization is collapsing.
>I want my kids to grow up big and strong>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
Women owe me sexo
>>517763595>Who decides which traits?Me
>>517763223>why don't we use it?Nothing is stopping you from practicing eugenics. How can you practice it?When you start a family, use a sperm donor that can produce offspring that are superior to you in every way by a large margin so that it is clear you could never produce such offspring.
>>517763832That’s not ideological, fucking idiot. It’s a direct refutation of the logic underpinning his point.
>>517763223because there would be no browns left and that would make libtards sad
>>517763223because it's "immoral" and women would feel bad
>>517763223Because we are doomed as a species to have illness and disease forever because eradicating it out of the gene pool is mean, goy.
>>517763223Because the wrong people are in positions of power. And the consequences are disastrous.
>>517763595That's easy. Height, penis size and jaw width for men, and for women, breast and arse fat, and no vocal chords.
>>517763962you do actually, to a degree, by selecting for women who you find attractivehowever as a man you don't get as much choice in it as the woman does
>>517763971His point is that you CAN select for traits and that will get more of them.Deciding which traits you want to select for is ideological.
>>517763223we don't but (((they))) do
why is he all of a sudden hitler
Because our understanding for what it means to "breed" humans toward some selective ability is still severely lacking. It isn't that humans are special so much as inconsistent. We don't understand our own biology enough to just fuck our way toward a better race beyond not having sex with literal retards.
>>517764131women being allowed to choose who they mate with is a disaster that no one wants to talk aboutit doesn't help that they have effective control over most if not all of human reproduction either
>>517764177Checked. But it doesn't really matter, the Chinks are doing it already. Expect 8' tall chalk white guys with squid eyes and 3' dicks who expire at age 45 from kidney failure, which transfers all the wealth to the woman's family and brings a matriarchy.
>>517763223Who get to decide? What is a problem and what is not. Humans are evolved to survive across many environments, time periods, and cultures. Its easy to see things that do not work as well in our current times as mal adaptive. They may simply be an advantage in a different situation. Its foolish to think we understand ourselves enough to start editing our nature. The problem isnt eugenics its that we only have imperfect humans to implement it.That being said we already practice some of it. Stuff like genetic defects we breed out purposly when possible. Even then its boarding on shaky ground. Sickle cell effects Africans and those descended from them. Its a pure negative in the west and would be a candidate for removal. In Africa it helps you survive Malaria however.
>>517763223Is we had eugenics 10,000 years ago, we’d be stupid but we’d be really good at hunting gazelle.Who knows what traits will be useful in the future, sure as hell not us
>>517764345I am a birder. I have seen some shit.
>>517764177>Deciding which traits you want to select for is ideological.No, it isn’t, in the context of Dawkin’s argument. To reach that point you’ve already accepted, ideologically, that eugenics is worth doing/acceptable. You don’t understand the concept of ideology.
>>517763595Creating one ubermensch thats good at everything would probably be very hard without genetic engineering. You could however create classes of people defined by genetics. So you have a scientist class who only breed with eachother and if they want to marry someone else that person need to have a high IQ. Then you have a warrior class, ruler class and wagie class etc.
>>517764309>We don't understand our own biology enough to just fuck our way toward a better race beyond not having sex with literal retardsYeah we do.We can argue about what is "better".But you can select for intelligence, health, rates of depression and mental problems, levels of aggression.
>>517764461Seems that happened in the last 300 years or so.
>>517764345The problem is we gave up on the family structure. In the past the young female had a say in her mate but it was balanced by her older relatives trying to control her decision. The older (experienced) women helped her make a better decision then she was capable of on her own with her male relations enforcing it by chasing off unwanted men.Our current problems do not come from women but the idea that being free and independent is a good thing.
>>517763223...(((They))) Have been using it for 50 years now. Why do you think you are being replaced with low IQ 3rd world trash? Why are all the schools teaching failed Marxism?Because eugenics works. The next generation are retarded drone with uncertain ethnic identity units for the elite to rule.
>>517763821Good, I wish I was never born, the world shouldn't have people like me.
>b-b--bb-b-b-but how would eugenics works!?!!?!We have DNA profiling, we can chart SNPs. I or any other researcher can look at a group of 1000 humans, see common SNPs, and very decidedly say that certain SNPs are directly related to expressed traits There is no goddamn guesswork to this anymore
>>517763223Imagine the saudis start pouring money into gene editing and we get a race of 10" dick men
>>517764405Exactly. His whole argument depends on the correctness of the view that what we’ve done to cows is “eugenic” on the whole, rather than simply for a narrow purview of human use.
>>517763223the issue is what to optimize for not if it is effectiveobviously it would be
>>517763595We selectively bred women to be fine and beautiful in our eyes. Did it work?
>>517764405Eliminate the retarded and life-shortening disabilities.
>>517763223look around you it's definitely being used
>>517764643they would make your mom a very happy woman
>>517763613The key is to look at it from a deterministic viewpoint which many people already accept but haven't taken to it's logical conclusion.The mistake is to look to the future by having visions of Ubermensch, one must instead look to the past, root out negative influences in individual biology and within society. If everything is determined, then there are causes to evil, it's not random and it's not something you just wait for, you find it first.
Simple. In animals its very simple.You want beefier cow you take beefiest cow and mate it to beefiest bull. Repeat until your herd is beefier on average.Everyone shakes hands job well done.Not so simple in humans.First what do you want? What is your intended outcome/focus?Second how do you measure?Third who defines and measures it?Fourth how do you get people to go along with it? Fifth how do you deal with the people who you need to run society today but who you've basically declared unfit to reproduce? Whats their stake in society at this point?Sixth who is running this whole thing and how do you make sure they don't do anything underhanded?
>>517763379you can't remove them though, it is probably deep seeded in-group species behavior that will just replicate if you were to test for and execute every single narcissist psychopathnot to mention the worse political ramifications
>>517764694Here’s your carefully selected beauty, bro
>>517763223Animals don't have the divine spark humans do that's why it won't work. Richard making this statement makes me sad for him.
>>517764824Identification is more than enough.
>>517763223Cool it down with antisemitism
>>517763821You make the fatal assumption that eugenics would be used to improve human cattleYou are very very wrong. There is no profit in having healthy, smart humans. China and Russia breed athletes with eugenics. The west breeds mongrel consumers to replace the Europeans.
border collies are another level
>>517764851humans are animals and humans are not special
>>517763223It didn't work with you
>>517765030humans are special
>>517763223we really should apply it, and thin the herd.extincting the black and brown genes from our planet would be a great start and a huge advantage.
>>517763223They tried it in the early 1900s extensively in the US. There were several problems:1. We can make animals look a certain way. But breeding humans for very specific levels of intelligence and behaviors is extremely difficult. You can't just breed 2 smart people and guarantee their offspring would be intelligent, nor could you breed healthy people and expect to completely eliminate chronic disease. Genetics is much more random and chaotic than a punnet square model would indicate. Eugenics would need to be done at the gene level, and even then we don't know enough about how DNA works (consider: scientists call 98% of DNA 'junk' just because they don't know what it does) for it to be effective.2. Eugenics leads to a purity spiral. We're breeding to eliminate chronic disease? Ok, well why not increase intelligence? Well, how about increase strength as well, and while we're at it eliminate people with histories of addiction or immoral behavior!3. Enforcement would need to be near universal to make a meaningful difference in society. This is where an ethical problem comes in, as vast numbers of the 'unfit' would need to be sterilized - since obviously those deemed as such will not willingly stop reproducing. And given the ever broadening definition of who the unfit are, it's not inconceivable that incels and antisemites would eventually find themselves on the list.
>>517763855>We don't necessarily understand what good traits to select are. For example if you allowed the jewish retards in control of western civilization to select genetic traits for white people, they'd turn everyone's children into niggers and then gasp not understanding why civilization is collapsing.Thats exactly what's happening. Jews are aiming to rule over a simpering brownoid population of 95% IQ.
>>517763595>Who decidesCurrently? Kikes
>>517763223Socialized eugenics has been a thing for millions of years, this guy is a midwit retard and so are you OP.
>>517765030Humans have the divine spark other animals do not that's why we are special or different if you want to run your life where you're no different than a cow or muskrat then that's your business.
>>517764787I want the beefiest humans so I breed big humans together. Genetics work the same. You’re too low iq to understand what his post means. If you want humans to have 10 inch fingers you could absolutely breed them selectively to evolve those over thousands of years.
>>517763223Boomers scientists always have to apologize for stating facts, thus negating the idea of ever implementing their findings. Boomer scientists dropped the ball on humanity out of pure cowardice.
>>517764787>1 lowering violence, increase cooperativeness and intelligence>2 criminal records are oneAny society has some kind of selection for who breeds.Ours just happens to favor borderline retards, and more aggressive men.You could remove subsidies for single moms.Remove women from colleges so you don't flush your above average high iq women genes down the toilet.Or you can give tax breaks for law abiding workers.You don't need to murder or sterilize.Merely alter the carrot/stick ratios to go towards more favorable actions based on demographic.
>>517763223Because the end goal of eugenics it's human experimentation. It won't stop at selective breeding
>>517764627that is a very stupid idea from a human perspective and has resulted in what is today india already.from a hostile alien perspective though...
>>517765692>That's stupidIt's happening all around you right now retard. The mud people block vote for whatever their parents tell them to vote for. They have no ability to think beyond "gibs me dat ps5"This is reality. Go outside and talk to some people, you'll find that the brown ones are extremely dumb.
>>517765405>If you want humans to have 10 inch fingers you could absolutely breed them selectively to evolve those over thousands of years.It would only take maybe 100 years, 500 years being extremely conservative.It takes thousands for traits to spread naturally, but if you control humans like cattle you can induce these traits within a few generations - generations not being the full human lifespan but the span of time from birth to able to reproduce - so 15-20 years. That's 5 generations of long fingered cattle-humans breeding together per century.It does not take long for eugenics to produce whatever you want and it gets even faster when you introduce technology into the equation. We can simply insert genetic traits into embryos if we want, and with gene therapies we can even insert genes into adults (though there are obvious problems with adults having already fully grown).
>>517764964I have one and a half. Very sensitive creatures.
>>517763223The biggest reason is that while 'intelligent design' is nice, it's still not able to predict the future perfectly. When you don't 'know' what you will need in the future (aside from generals like health and intelligence), doing eugenics on any scale (as opposed to relying on the normal distribution of genes) is frankly foolhardy at best. That said there are things we could do reasonably well. Sterilizing retards and inducing non-retards against child birth if they have terrible diseases that pass along genetically. We could relatively quickly get rid of some forms of retardation and some disabilities (maybe 60 years) or at least reduce them by 90% or more. That said, in general for health and intelligence the best things you can do is keep in your race and avoid niggers. Go figure, you don't need PHD's to do this. Good breeding is something farmerrs do and what fathers/families should do.
>>517765892what you are describing is entropy. what i am describing is a hostile force using entropy. not quite the same.
>>517765998>It takes thousands for traits to spread naturally,It takes a few generations of selective breeding to identify the members in a herd with a desired trait and then breed them with another that also carries the genes for that traitAnd this is all without even doing any DNA testing.If I have a cow with 4 udders and bull birthed from a udder mother, I can breed that 4 udder cow and end up with 4-5-6 udder calves. One more generation down they're all 5 or 6, and then the field has no 4 udder cows.Humans are now some magical thing that ignores all of genetic understanding. We can do this with people. We can direct identify specific groups of people prone to very unique cancers, tell them to quit fucking, and then those cancers disappear in a generation.
>>517766222A lot of disabilities are genetic but random. It's usually from errors in mitosis duplicating extra chromosomes.
>>517763595intelligence, morals, mental health free from schizophrenia and paranoid delusions (aka jews cant breed anymore)
>>517763223What do you think war is?
>>517766547War is inherently dysgenic as you demand the most fit to die while the opinionated jew fag retards avoid the draft
>>517763223Fatties and niggers know that that way they will get phased out
>>517763223....It's always been in use....
>>517763669>>517764851>>517765030>>517765082Humanity alone isn't inherently special. Only when a being develops higher levels of thinking than other primates are when we become remarkable.
>>517763595>who decidesi doyou are gay so you don't get to be selected
>>517763223I'm sure it's practiced in black sites of many nations. Along with cryspr. Kinda like the spartans in halo. Warriors to use as enforcers of the NWO or to defend the homeland if ww3 breaks out.
>>517766513Numerically there are a lot, but proportionately almost all of them have similar sources
>>517765602>You could remove subsidies for single momsAlready failed by that point, she already got an inferior child. I don't even think women notice other women's consequences because the ratio of single moms only goes up.
>>517763223Because admitting some genes are good and others are bad violates Abrahamic universalist religion. Specifically the lies foisted onto us by jews in the form of christianity. Some races are better than others and this is empirically true. Africans were living in the stone age when Europeans were sailing every ocean. Genes made that possible. But if you submit to the lie that "we're all equal, this book jews wrote said so!" then you are necessarily setting yourself up to ruin. Since you now have no argument against keeping the low-IQ savages out of your lands.Coincidentally, exactly the thing that is happening to the West right now. Everyone KNOWS brown people are a detriment and undesirable. But because of christianity, you're not allowed to say "No Browns Allowed". Therefore you just have to put up with unlimited rape, murder, terrorism, and barbarity forever. Because the alternative is to admit jewish religion is wrong.
>>517763223>If eugenics works, why don't we use it?Women's rights.
>>517766698Idk from seeing all the Ukraine drone kino I have concluded that russia is sending all their retards to get blown up. Nothing fit strong or intelligent about them.
>>517767305Super cool reference, faggot. Russia has probably been sending penal units to get obliterated, on both sides there are still healthy people who deserved to live full lives without being zog slave. This topic does not need political bias as it is based in a fundamental truth of reality.
>>517763223Because a loser with funny mustache ruined it for us and now it's a bad word. Stupid people always ruin everything.We are doing it in practice any way, but you can't call it that way. Right now, they can tell if your kid is going to have down syndrome and they let you choose to have an abortion, and if you have a probability of a genetic disease, your doctor will suggest in vitro fertilization, so you can choose the fertilized eggs that don't have the decease.
>>517763595Something funny that Leftists do is present an argument, and then immediately behave as though you have no counter-argument, despite the fact that they didn't wait to see if you would or not. They do this because they're so wrapped up in their opinions that they see them as objective facts for which no counter-argument could exist. As a result, they assume that the argument is over the instant they make their point.In this example:Argument:>Who decides which traits?Counter-argument: Assumed noneResponse to lack of valid counter-argument:>There, I just gave a basic answer addressing his question on logical ground.
>>517763595>implying there aren't objective traits humans would want to aim forMore importantly there's the elimination of traits you DON'T want. Like diseases.
>>517764126>and no vocal chordslmfao
>>517763223Humans are not capable of choosing the right candidates for reproduction.
>>517764126>>517768205I love the cute little noises women make. Kids rely on said noises to grow up properly too. :(
