It was fun being a free nation while it lasted, I suppose there's no hiding from the fact that we aren't anymore.As we all know all the countries that have ID, digital or card, NEVER start to use it for everything so that you can't breathe without showing your papers please, and it ALWAYS solves all the problems of illegal immigration.Lmao. I hate Italy because of beurocracy, now when I go home it'll be more of the same.>Captch SATAK, mark of the beast confirmed?
>>517914536Our governments are a choice, one we can refuse.
>>517914583People have too much to lose. A tea tax wouldn't be slurped down these days even in America yes daddy government thank you
>>517914632Would* stupid phone
>>517914536>papers pleaseuh
>>517914536>It was fun being a free nation while it lasted, I suppose there's no hiding from the fact that we aren't anymore.Imagine the forefathers of America saying that when the red coats first landed
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>>517914536At least limit it to the first use.Banning crooks? Sure, scan the id“wider efficiencies” no thanks, I don’t want more efficient access for boots on my neck.
>>517914536I'm not complying. This is rape of the freedoms of the next generations. They want a social credit system, the mark, no child to be born free from their rape. If anyone wants to impose this rape upon others let it be known you have forgone your decencies and will be denied mercy.
>>517914687They weren't overdosing on bread and circus
>>517914536UK is not chinachina's digital ID is Orwellian tyranny purposed to overlord, dominate, enslave chink citizens. Besides chinks aren't White, they are irredeemably evilUK digital ID is for better security, benevolent services, better government helps. UK is White and can be trusted without any malicious intent
THAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!
>>517914834But you just know it won't stop, if it's not halted on the first step there definitely won't be resistance for sliding further backwards towards le 1984.They could have just introduced a "brown person visa" and nobody would bat an eye. Except hysterical women. So now we all have to produce our papers.
>>517914953Kek
I don't understand the point of the gov uk petitions site. Millions of people voted to say they don't like the idea of this and the online safety act and they just say no
>>517914687With these characters, they'd be homeless, maybe killed as youths. At least completely ostracized and powerless.>>517914583These times are long gone. Occupy has proven that a revolution in the West is impossible now. Secret services are too powerful. And now they got AI analysis of all the data collection. Insta-policing robots everywhere in 15 years. The only option is to accept getting podded, and choose MAID when it becomes available, to free up resources for the elites to enjoy.
>>517915108Probably causes a measurable reduction in protests because you have proof you were heard, even if they still don't care. Good for London traffic.
>>517915108Link for Nigel here, I guess it's illegal for you to post such hate speech that offends the ruling minorities:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/7301942.8 million people, so probably half the population against it, and the rest too stupid to understand.
>>517914536it is absurd that they are saying this has anything to do with tackling illegal migration. of all the absurd shit that a government could purport this is near "we need to kill our citizens to increase the population" tier bullshit. what precisely have they done but encourage that shit, but now they are doing something and THIS is the fix? I hope bongs wake the fuck up before its too late for them.
>>517915449>Occupy has proven that a revolution in the West is impossible now.no it didnt. it proved that the leftist type of revolution is impossible now. protesting has been proven moot in the same way announcing you have information about something is proven to see you killed before its shared.
>>517915108>I don't understand the point of the gov uk petitions site. It's a release valve. You can beat a person to death and they will do nothing as long as you give them a 5 minute respite to voice their concerns on the proceedings of such an act beforehand, that way they will feel "heard" and by that deduction all in the interaction are metaphysically equal and therefore the event is legitimate.The perversion of actual free will through language containment, it's why globohomo states are so obsessed with democracy and freedom of speech, despite it all being performative in reality.
>>517914536>tackle illegal migrationHAHHAHAHAHAEven normies don't believe this shit.
This is a result of the far right (I.e. YOU) YOU demanded a fix to illegal immigration and this is it. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Sometimes I think you are all faux in your outrage just to for outrage sake You all know nothing of politics and think being mad at a situation makes you look deep and educated. It doesn't. It makes you look a fool. YOU made this bed, now lie in it.>WAAAH STOP IMMIGRATION>OK, this is the best solution>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS!
>>517915767That would mean anyone with less than 5M net worth has only a few months or years left to build a completely new society and enforce globally. Not going to happen. Have a good look at your kids. AI will use them as lab rats for new GMOs, then melt them down for efficiency.
>>517915108>Millions of people voted to say they don't like the idea of this and the online safety act and they just say noThe government rules the country on behalf of the King. Just because you get to vote once in a while doesnt mean the government works for you. The UK is not a democracy.
>>517916243Illegals don’t get free stuff without the proper paperwork. Illegals will get digital IDs. The government wants these people in the country and all talk about stopping illegal migrants is nonsense; the digital ID system is for native Brits
there is one benefit and that is it can be used to verify you age at self checkouts when buying age restricted products
>there are retarded /pol/ niggers who like this idea/a/ will always be more based than you faggots.
having 3 million people decide for the other 43 million eligible voters wouldn't be democratic either. maybe if there were 20 milion signatures it would be worthy of a referendum.
>>517917729Nearly half of those eligible don't vote. Of those that do a huge portion don't trust things online or don't know of official petitions and participate in them. I've encouraged several people who are against it to sign the petition and the entire time they were questioning if it was a legitimate website etc. To use the figure of 43 million when referring to online petitions is dishonest.
Those peaceful protests really worked, lolCongrats.
>>517914536>tackle illegal migrationgr8 b8 m8 ir8 8/8
>>517914632>People have too much to lose.Do they?IIRC half of America only has a few hundred dollars in savings, and we do better than most Europoors.
>>517915108Humiliation ritual.
>>517916243Italy has ID cards and digital ID, it's full of browns. They don't fix anything, they just create a black market society.
>>517916920Do you not have a driving license or passport poor you
>>517918855Yet they're still not starving or bored
>>517921001You can get the driving license when you're 15 and it costs £34. Proving your age to buy things has never been an issue to anyone beyond those belonging in a home for the mentally handicapped.
>>517916243Digital ID is not fit for purpose. Border control is required. Just ask anyone with a funny name to prove his right to be in the UK. Acceptable documents: limited leave to stay, permanent leave to stay, citizenship or British born (from British parents or legal aliens). Boom you get rid off 80% of the illegals and their extended families.Your solution is to give license to the government for an open ended task.Do you have south Asian ancestry?
>>517916920Driving license already exists.
I don't get you people. You want to kick out all the illegals, for the sake of argument let's say that's a few hundred thousand people who need to be removed. Mass deportations aren't a case of flicking a switch and they all just go, it requires some very authoritarian measures to actually implement. You should be thanking Starmer for this.
>>517923226I'm saying it's not going to work, he knows it's not going to work, there are systems already that would work if he actually wanted to kick out the browns, so the conclusion is he's lying about the intended purpose. At least China doesn't lie about why they have theirs.
>>517923226>You want to kick out all the illegalsNo, I want to kick out all the nonwhites. I don't care how they got here.
>>517923226>glows
>>517923226How about shooting them all then instead of a fucking app you dumb cunt.
with the internet laws and this digital IDit will be 100% about resitricting all travel. it'll be like communist russia where people were heavily dissueded from travelling between provinces. this was also the reason why alot of people in russia had no idea what was going on in other provinces.
>>517914536People are never going to beat an oppressive system while being so immersed and participatory in it. Abandon the cities, stop chasing whatever faggot unrealistic dream you had to climb the ladder because the cost is to have your homeland turned into blackistan and once you reach the top your head is going to get lopped off anyway.
>>517916243>Muh far right Queer Starmer is one of you miserable lot.
>>517914632Rebelling against an oppressive government was probably somewhat easier back then when they didn't have enormous mass surveillance systems or weapons far more powerful than anything that the common man is allowed to possess.
>>517923226> Mass deportations aren't a case of flicking a switch and they all just go, it requires some very authoritarian measures to actually implement.And all that authority will be 100% used on YOU, faggotNot on the immigrant raping your daugherOn YOUIf you ever decide to say as much as "I don't like foreigners that much really" online you get coppers on your doorsteps, and you think this same government will now use its newly acquired powers to do something about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?Are you retarded? I just hope you're a shill, I can't believe someone can be this braindeadAnarchotyranny, look it up, that's what we all live under. Giving more power to the state in this situation, sure thing, why don't we just all kill ourselves and make it quicker for shlomo and ahmed then
>>517915108to stop people marching with millions of signatures like they planned in 1848. governments hate million man marches
>>517915108>Voting will win against a dictatorshipAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
>>517925513I don't really think so, maybe organisation was easier, but people signed up to die in any case. My broscience theory is when you live closer to death you're less afraid of it, people back then would die from diarrhoea or breaking a bone, so they were more gung ho about going out and killing/being killed
>>517914536good, fuck niggers and fuck normies for being nigger lovers
>>517923226>he still trusts the governmentif they wanted to kick them out, they would have never let them inyou retard
>>517914536Fuck that shit. The people need to revolt and now. Fuck these cunts up real good. They will have a much humbler tone. It may be time to rough up some politicians in the uk.
>>517914583Indeed. And there is soon to be a mass rejection of ALL western governments. Many elected officials will be killed. MANY will be killed. And they deserve every bit of it. This is what becomes of traitors. The Jews they served will be far too busy saving themselves. And the way they will secure their safety is by betraying the officials they corrupted…many of whom will die. I hope they had a good laugh working to the demise of their own people. We will likewise mock their agonies and losses.
>>517925804> My broscience theory is when you live closer to death you're less afraid of it1/2You're on to something here. It goes way deeper though.People nowadays are completely passive and unable to make decisions themselves, like little kids (incapaci di intendere e di volere). This was ultimately caused by the industrial revolution. Machinery and automation allowed genetic garbage to reproduce and infect the gene pool at large, because people that previously wouldn't have survived the winter are now kept fed and warm. Those retards surviving the winter instead of dying of exposure like nature intended made so that the retardness spread exponentially - having a brain and being able to understand reality and act based on it became no longer a fitness criteria.This means, not only the retards were able to reproduce and increase in number, but the very selection criteria for who reproduced changed at the root. Where before you had bold and decision making "chieftain" types spreading their genes far and wide, now you have meek backstabbing "dark triad" faggots in their place. This is because the sociopath faggots never have to face the consequences of their actions, so their "mememe take all fuck everyone else" behavior is winning in this environment - which again, was created by the industrial revolution.So basically instead of having "father like" figures at the top, that tend to their people and make it prosper, who bubbles up are the backstabbing niggers with no moral compass - and that's due to the inability of the people at large to tend to their own reality. People need to be fed a vision of the world, the vast majority is literally incapable of creating and nurturing their own. See Baudrillard - most people live in a simulacrum created for them by someone else. This explains the absolute inaction against covid, israel slaughtering little kids with impunity, the fact that the same jews just print money and give it to themselves, and so much more.cont.
>>517925588>>517925904He is a UK equivalent of a glownigger and is going to be the one using these
>>517914687So true. These men, all of a philosophical bent, knew very well that violence is the ultimate form of persuasion. It’s like Satan said in the Book of Job>skin for skin. A man will give all that he has to save his life. Even Satan understands this concept. And it is time to start openly discussing it. The people who hate us and seek our destruction will not relent until they fear for their lives. That’s the motivation they need. And someone needs to give it to them. This is why there are no false flag murders of top officials. Everyone in power knows the people will roar with approval. The time is upon us now. The world is about to undergo significant change.
>>517914893Based
>bro i heard you want less illegals bro
>>517916243>implying they'll use digital ID for immigrants and not for "anti government" wrong think
>>517914953lol. Fuck off jew. Stamer is a Jew. And until Jews are out of government, it simply cannot be trusted…ever. So, no Jew purge, no digital id. Same goes for this country. Nothing will be trusted from .gov so long as Jews are in our government. Full stop.
Not a single one of you pants shitting scared /pol/cels has been able to explain how this would lead into the doomsday scenarios you hysterically screech about.
>>5179258042/2Boomers are the result of this process - Nietszchenian last men, devoid of any capability to act on the reality they live in, connected with a cable to the jew-owned mainframe of what's acceptable to think and say. Conformists to the core, literally incapable to envision the world a way that is different than what the tv tells them. The tv and the state makes sure to keep pandering to them - they're their best weapon. Until boomers become a minority, any change is impossible.The boomer fears death like nothing else in the world. He has been kept as far away as possible from it, as death is a very important reminder to us all of the crude realities of this world, and the state doesn't like when you get reminders about that. Also, deep down, the boomer knows what he's done. He's not living for the future, he's living for the here and now. And his here and now is rapidly becoming smaller and smaller - motorbike trips are not as exciting, motorhomes vacations only go so far, everything aches, and it's not getting better. He loathes the fact that he's coming to an end, and he's left nothing but ashes for who comes after him. In the beforetimes, people not just knew but accepted death as a part of life - and saw themselves as a part of a cycle that has a before and after. The boomer completely broke this, he's the last man standing.So he clings to his material life as strongly as he can - that's all he has. The state promises him peace and prosperity if he toes the line, and surely he does. When they talk on tv about the "climate of hate" that is brewing, the boomer is terrified - oh no no, hate is bad, I just want to consume forever and ever, doesn't matter the price (I'm not paying that price myself anyway)That's why you'll never ever have real organic change happen. The genetic capability for that has been removed from the gene pool
>>517914536Two possibilities:Either they have no intention of actually doing this, and it's a distraction from other issues such as the flag protests. It will take around 4-5 years to implement, and so they won't be able to do it before the next general election. Even i they do, Reform has said they will remove it.Alternatively they do intend to do it, and they fully intend to find a way to stop reform winning or find a way for the establishment to take control of it so it's just labour / tory mk2.
>>517926771It is surely the second with immigrants being a distraciton. And remember: noone is at fault that they need to act now against the illegals' flow, it just happened
kikes, poojeets and vatniggers running scared because they wont be able to LARP as anglos online anymoreSuspicious amount of crossover between the "patriots" opposing digital ID, and those kvetching about a couple of jews getting their throats cut yesterday and the need to do exactly what Israel says
>>517914953Jew detected, deploying countermeasures.
>>517925881Suddenly the system will start working if we give the government more power and surveillance, of course.You need to look up what countries who don't have a brown problem do, it's a lot simpler than a Chinese social credit system, which this will become within 20 years.
>>517927449How will this become the chink social credit system? Nobody has ever been able to explain this when asked. Only angry desperate hurrdurr.
>>517914536There's some advantages to have a digital ID but if the UK still haven't implemented it that means you're already getting most of those advantages.I think this will have the opposite effect brit judges will demand digital IDs for illegals because of ECHR and much more protests will occur but maybe that's Starmer's plan.
>>517926217It's for you, anon
>>517914536Just round up brown and yellow people. Fucking retards.
>>517914536>create problem>sell solution
>>517914583You won't do shit
>>517914953i think you got it twisted. in china they use a fully digital ecosystem for convenience, the surveillance is a byproduct. they have been doing this for many years, their society is a lot more advanced than the UK, with all cities being "smart cities". the same is not true for the UK, this direction the government is taking is not for the purpose of convenience or to meet technological advancements, it's exclusively to control the people.i would much rather have the dystopic society of china than the dystopic society of the UK.people like to portray china as a surveillance state, but the west is no different. if anything the west is much worse as they present it in a way that is deceptive (ie. "it's to save the children" or "it's to control illegal employment"), western governments are primarily controlled by corporate interests, whereas in china corporations are regulated by the government.i'm not saying china is perfect, their digital ecosystem provides a significant benefit to the people and keeps up with their technologically advanced society. the surveillance factor is still a huge negative. but when you compare it to the west and what the UK gov is doing, you get all of the negatives and none of the positives.
>>517915000I will say, if it isn't, it's definitely the framework that will be used for it.
>>517931043>it's exclusively to control the peopleExplain how and why. Be specific. Not a single chud has been to explain this, ever, for some reason.
>>517915675>I hope bongs wake the fuck up before its too late for them.Any action up to the point of "too late" makes you the bad guy unfortunately, nobody wants the ruin they're lives to get their hands dirty, or even get their image dirty.
Jokes on you but Britain already had more CCTV than China. They have always been a draconian surveillance state and you get a house visit for liking racist memes
>>517931835Vast majority of CCTV surveillance here is private businesses and homeownersState and local-authority CCTV is tiny compared to China
>>517931734>explain how centralising power gives people more powerLukewarm
>>517932224What a surprise, the hysterically scared chud was unable to answer how his fantasies would becime reality.
>>517926600During the pandemic here you couldn't go anywhere without a QR code proving you were vaxxed or recently infected. Some other countries tightened it down to even basic necessities, I believe canada had the "unclean" coralled in a special area and then chaperone one by one around supermarkets even to buy FOOD.I had to leave uni personally.That all went away, but it proves absolutely that normies will get on board immediately with oppressing whoever the government decides is an undesirable, so long as they can do whatever they want. And when it happens, it'll happen very quickly.Test run.
>>517925513Buddy, as long as you can buy petrol and matches, you have at your disposal one of the most devastating weapons man has ever wielded. Now don't ever shrink away from your duty to confront evil again.
>>517926771>It will take around 4-5 years to implement, and so they won't be able to do it before the next general electionIdk about that, vaccine passports had to pass gdpr standards and were implemented almost instantly. >Reform has said they will remove it. I have little hope normies will vote them into any sort of power. >for the establishment to take control of itEven if the "correct" party is in power, I think the power would be too alluring to give up, once they have it. Labour will have tanked the loss of popularity already after all. That's me being blackpilled though.
>>517927939What do you mean how? Easily, the only block was the digital logistics, which this will set up, and the social stigma against "papers please" at very turn, which this will erase. You lack creativity.
>>517932608In the middle of a pandemic, you don't want plague rats around spreading it. It's not like antivaxxers ever go outside or matter in any way, everyone else was living life normally. What does this have to do with your irrational hysterical fear of digital ID?
>>517931043>convenience, the surveillance is a byproductWrong way round desu senpai>people like to portray china as a surveillance state, but the west is no differentUnfortunately true>western governments are primarily controlled by corporate interests, whereas in china corporations are regulated by the government.This is true, hard to say which is worse because I'd say China still doesn't care about it's citizens, even though everything is "for the people". The people are numbers.
>>517914536How will digital ID tackle illegal migration when normal ID doesn't? This is retarded.
>>517933398>What does this have to do with your irrational hysterical fear of digital ID?Because I'm a plague rat. If you don't bow the knee to whatever you're told to do, you'll be right alongside me in the subclass not allowed to buy, sell, get educated.Do the maths. People go to prison for memes in the UK, how much easier and more cost effective would it be to just punish them socially by disabling their digital ID, and requiring it to do everything?Welcome to the rat life, normie.
>>517933154You still haven't been able to give even a single concrete example of how and why. Let's say this digital ID is rolled out. Then what? What rights or freedoms will be taken away from you and how and why? And who will do it and why would you obey?
>>517933821You're being obtuse willingly, this isn't reddit.I'll spell it out for you anyway.>Digital, individualised identifier implemented everywhere for work permission. >Digital, so can't be faked, and permission can be revoked with the press of a button. >Implemented just for proving work status, and buying alcohol, but can be updated, because, again, it's digital. >Just for job HR departments and shops, but can be used anywhere where permission can be re quit to do something. >Extrapolate to every crime that exists or can be invented, and every door in the country. Like vaccine passports, or Chinese social credit. Once they can, they will, why wouldn't they?
>>517933680>retardedMalicious, believing we're retarded, just like the porn age verification.
>>517926313That and the people who were okay with signing up to get killed by and large did sign up to get killed in two world wars. Machine guns kill the brave and spare the cowardly.
Can't wait to have my brain fried and my balls shrunk for double plus not good wrong think
>>517914536He'll never get it through parliament. But this just sums up politics. 25% of the number of people that put them in power sign a petition saying no to a government initiative and the government simply brushes it to the side. We have to get labour and the conservatives out of running the country. We badly need political reform however it arrives
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>>517934441Yep, you completely avoid answering the question and only sperg out incel fearporn fantasies. A few things:>permission can be revokedWhat permissions? How? Why? By who?>can be updatedWhat does this mean?>permission can be re quit to do somethingWhat does this even mean?>every door in the countryI don't understand this schizo drivel.>Chinese social creditWhy would anyone try to implement such a system? Sounds like a fantasy of a freedom-hating chud.>theyIs this "they" in the room with you right now?Seriously try making a specific rational point just once instead of nonsensical hysterical schizo word salad.
>>517936081>What permissions? How? Why? By who? Permissions to work, buy, sell, get educated, travel. Can you read, or remember the pandemic, or know about China? >What does this mean? It means that it's limitations at implementation are not permanent limitations. >What does this even mean? Anything you don't own isn't guaranteed to you. So, if you own a company, you may be alright, but if you want a job, that's up to your employer. They give you permission to work or not work. Same hours for going to uni, entering shops, using public transport. Like in the pandemic. >don't understand this schizo drivelEsl?>Why would anyone try to implement such a system?Because it's great for them. My example was instead of filling up the prisons with meme lords, just don't let them buy food or use the bus for a month. It's very easy to implement once the system is set up.>Is this "they" in the room with you right nowNo, in parliament >Seriously try making a specific rational point just once instead of nonsensical hysterical schizo word saladOh no my feelings aaaaa whatever shall I do.
>>517936527>Permissions to work, buy, sell, get educated, travel.Why would anyone need permissions for those? Or do you mean you need permission from your mom to buy something?>in parliamentAsk them how many would vote for a chink social credit system.The issue is that schizos like you are extremely submissive and hate freedom. That's why you dream of a society where everything is controlled by someone else. The rest of the population is not submissive sheeple like you. Nobody else would put up with the dystopia you dream of. This world you fantasize will never materialize because nobody would even think about bringing up something so retarded.
>>517914632No they fucking don’t. Nobody even owns anything or has anything anymore. Or do you mean that they are addicted to their tranny tunes?
China has surveillance to fuck up anglokike spies.UK has surveillance to fuck up UK population.You are not the same.
>>517923226Retarded kike with your fake trojan horse gift.
>>517937464>Why would anyone need permissions for those? Or do you mean you need permission from your mom to buy somethingBecause it's a good way to keep people in line. Again, see China and the pandemic. >Ask them how many would vote for a chink social credit system.Well, I signed the hecking poll, and they said lol idc. >you are extremely submissive and hate freedom.Are you actually retarded>This world you fantasize will never materialize because nobody would even think about bringing up something so retarded.All of Europe during the pandemic other than like Sweden and the UK. All of the USA as well except like Florida. China all the time. You live a sheltered life, or can't imagine anything past tomorrow. Tell me, did you eat breakfast this morning? How would you feel if you didn't?
>>517937602>Nobody even owns anything or has anything anymore.And they love it. >do you mean that they are addicted to their tranny tunes?Yeah
>>517933680What normal ID?We don't have any kind of compulsory IDAnd Aussies can talk. You're already rolling out the same thinghttps://www.digitalidsystem.gov.au/the-australian-government-digital-id-system-agdis
>>517926313Holy shit this is the answer. I’m saving this for posterity.
>>517934849Yup. And that’s IMO why America still has some fight left in it- the US recieved the fewest casualties out of any WW combatant relative to population size. Some of our warrior genes still live on.And also, my other theory is that since some Americans escaped the industrialized world by living on the dangerous prairies, all alone- that’s another source of itI could be wrong but it makes sense.
>>517937779It doesn't get more submissive and scared than you. No matter how many times you are asked you can't give even a single example of why your fearporn fantasies would become reality. You do not understand the rest of the population does not want your dystopian control society.Let's try one last time. Let's say digital ID is rolled out. Give one SPECIFIC example of something you would no longer be able to do, because of it. How, and why. Let's see if you understand the word "specific" or if you think it means more meaningless schizo drivel of how "they" will do something bad.
>>517914536Next step>To combat fraud and tax evasion we will now be implementing a digital currency linked to your digital IDFollowed by>We have now implemented carbon control linked to your digital IDFollowed by>We have now linked your social score to your digital ID. This will aid us in our prevention of anti-social behavior.And Brits will still act smug online.
>>517914536Digital ID WILL be tied to internet access. This is the final goal of all DID systems. You will be scanned by Palantir.>oh, anon is far-right? ISPs are not allowed to give him internet>anon is far-right? No mortgage.
>>517914536Papiere bitte!
<<517932440Shabat shalom
>>517938922>No matter how many times you are asked you can't give even a single example of why your fearporn fantasies would become realityRagebait or dyslexia.>You do not understand the rest of the population does not want your dystopian control societyThey're apathetic rather than enthusiastic. >Give one SPECIFIC example of something you would no longer be able to do, because of itFor the 100th time, university. >How, and whyBecause I'm a plague rat with incorrect ideas I express online. >Let's see if you understand the word "specific" or if you think it means more meaningless schizo drivel of how "they" will do something badNot good with abstract concepts are you. I noticed you couldn't answer my question about breakfast.
>>517939109You do know that your non-digital ID is already tied to internet access right? Your ISP or mobile provider knows who you are. They know who you are even before they activate your internet. How would digital ID change that? Let's see if you have a concrete, specific answer.
>>517939843In the UK you can buy sim cards from shops, paying with cash, without ID or contract. That plus burner phone. It's not hard.
>>517939782>specificOk so the conclusion is that you do not understand what that word means. You couldn't describe how my access to university would be taken away or why.
>>517939843Retarded kike. Most of us aren’t using “our” ISPs dumbfuck yid.
>>517940111Nigger I was banned from university here in Italy in 2021 because I wouldn't QR code myself. It already happened to me.
>>517940111Yours wouldn’t since you’re ethnically jewish and can murder little kids with impunity, but the rest of us will be getting surveilled and punished for wrongthink. You also won’t be anle to buy shit off the darkweb anymore to defend yourself. I know you hate it when goyim defend themselves, but please understand that this would be bad for us.
>>517940199Hey bro is Italy still chill enough that I can live illegally there? I lived there illegally back in the 90s and it was fine.
>>517914536[29474 BISCUITS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM YOUR ACCOUNT FOR POSTING WITHOUT A LICENSE]
>>517940099And how would digital ID change that?
>>517940139Chitwood will still know it's you because they will find out it belongs to your mom and she has one 36 year old neet living in her home.
>>517940259Yeah probably, you need a job "in nero" which pays with cash and to avoid interacting with police who will stop and papers please you in train stations and while driving. Renting without a contract is risky but you can. The blacks seem to hang around the town square doing nothing, so maybe you even get government gibs. You could sign up for uni and never go, it's cheap enough, if you want to be semi legal, but depending on your visa they'll try and deport you if you don't pass 2 exams per year.
>>517940456Didn't say it would, you were talking about privacy with current non digital IDs and ISPs etc. It could, if you want to introduce that to the specific argument.
>>517926313>surviving the winterя тeбя pacкycил пидpилa
>>517914536>here's a dystopian solution to a problem we creatednever change government
>>517914893Aye on ya go, wait till your employer starts asking for it, and you'll suddenly be all quiet.
>>517915108It's a micro pressure release valve.
>>517914953>UK is WhiteThat is very racist of you, be better.
>>517914583no WE can refuse. all these nogunz europoors cant.
How would a digital ID help curb illegal immigration lmao just get the durkas out???? The only reason illegals are "hard" to find is because they are blending in with people who shouldn't be in the UK in the first place lol
>we will engage in the hegelian dialectic anyway :^)They created the problem to ram through this abhorrent "solution" and I hope it costs those authoritarian pricks dearly. If the British don't go on a prolonged general strike to grind the nation to a halt then it's over for them.
>>517941559That's a lie. They created the problem so that they could then offer the solution. The goal was ALWAYS a digital universal ID.
>>517935712>We have to get labour and the conservatives out of running the countryWhat do you mean by that? What are your actionable steps other than whinging online, nothing.
>>517914953kek
>>517914536The immigrants arent there to work. This policy will just attract the very worst of offenders
Guys, we cant vote our way out of this and theirs no chance of something physical happening, just download as much as you can, games, movies, music, fuck it, even porn, download as much as you can before its too late.
>>517941763They're doing the deliveroo hustle on top of the gibs already. That needs an ID to verify your right to work. Proves a lot that. PM is trying to crack down on that already, allegedly, but it'll be circumvented.
>>517914536>problem reaction solutionAnons called this over a decade agoIt's all so tiresome
>hear the story of every guest who comes I show him this arrowhead a replica of a Roman arrowhead from the battle of Yodeft, Yodeft was the first fortress in the Galilee that fell to the Romans later Gamla then Jerusalem a great destruction and I tell them the Romans are no longer here, that was their arrow and this is our arrow. The most sophisticated dart missile in the world and now i'm showing them another dart this syringe.It's almost time for weaponized EMF bros, hope you have your tinfoil hats if you elect to survive into the brave new world that will be your consent and you nor your children will have the autonomy to revoke that consent. This is the last stop on this train, if you believe in the immortal soul it starts to sound more like biblical hell. Good luck boyos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N02SK9yd60s
>>517915767>proved that the leftist type of revolution is impossible now.OWS didn't start out as a leftist movement. It was made into one after the fact. You should ponder the implications of that and also read Kaczynski because his manifesto talks about this.
>>517940099It depends on how much they want you. If you are a bad, bad goy it is very, very easy to turn your phone into permanent audio/video recordings, ping your locations. If you have even the most basic of digital footprint you are easily located/monitored. This is even stuff that local counties can do for a 5/10 on the bad goy scale nevermind the federal government. The only way to lash out in the modern era is to isolate soft targets while depriving them of their digital information. It's a suicide mission for any demon of note but would be effective in an uncoordinated cooperative event.
>>517914536>UK gov says fuck you
>>517914687america was started by britons who were sick of being britonsand I don't fucking blame themyou gotta understand, we'd all do the same thing, we can't, we're already here, there are no more "new worlds" for us now to make a defence against the crownany legitimate attempt at revolution will be shot down and your life utterly destroyed by the government foreverthat's the carrot on the stick for us thereif we speak out, we risk our lives and then we'll have to live an even WORSE life here on this island we're still stuck onsorry but we can't risk it, we have no leg to stand on here, bear that in mindI would love to 1776 the fuck out of it, I can't, it's that simplethis is why America exists, dudedon't be a dick
>>517914583No one has the spine to do it though, unfortunately. There is nothing tangibly stopping the British military from executing every traitor politician in parliament, but social conditioning and bribery keeps even them docile.
>>517915108It's a smokescreen to give the populace the illusion they can change anything through diplomacy. Look at the low effort "response" to this petition that can't even be contextualised as a rebuttal, but rather a generalised retread of the government's intentions to fuck everyone. That's how much Starmer and his Jewish puppetmasters care about engaging with the will of the people.
>>517914536OI! Show your digital ID doesn't include a loicense for shitposting mate. Off to jail you go ya bloody wanker
>>517914953lmao ok schlomo. UK is just a testing bed for all kinds of evil they will unleash on the EU next. Whatever is working out to be the most evil and damaging to white society, they will install here as well.
I'm not surprised. If a populace can accept a TV license, they can learn to accept a digital ID.
>>517914536I voted for this. Digital ID is good, fuck plebs.
>>517949872Why are u gay
>>517949872what do you think the gov you dont want in power gets a hold of this? you know the ones you think are facists? thought so
>>517914536I really don't care anymore. No one listened or took any real action for the decades this has been telegraphed out. Once we hit social credit with biometric ID I will be sending videos in of people being the dregs of society so they can experience the consequences. As long as they make government dope available after they put this up you can easily crush criminality and all the maladjusted shitheads that make everyone's lives miserable. I don't care if some underpaid gimp of the state has to waste their time looking at me and feeling offended but unable to find anything of note. If someone seems upstanding but does things they should be scrutinized for even better. This planet is a pack of monkeys and needs to be ran like a zoo.
>>517950941Most convincing post in defense of this. My rebuttal would be that in the end it's monkeys that will be in charge of the zoo anyway.
>>517951199They are in charge but I am willing to let their be receipts for peoples behavior. There's too many of us to treat people like we did in villages without it. You used to get shamed or dealt with when you threatened the community and people knew about your antics to be able to avoid you. It got lost in industrialization and mega cities and it will get offloaded to AI to help deal with the data. I want to see things like scalping go away or abusing public funds and assistance and this will go a long way. Freedom was always largely an illusion and I would prefer overt measures over covert manipulation.
>>517950941I don't want to be a monke. I want a way out that isn't money or violence. I hope there is one. Power comes in different flavours after all.
>>517952500They are doing this in part to change civilization away from consumerism and throw away societies. They won't have nations if they keep it up. Best way to deal with monke is to keep an eye on him and use more social coercion before violence is necessary.
>>517949794It's so cucked here in Italy that if you pay an electricity bill you get the TV licence included in the bill, unless you send a signed for letter (costs extra) / email from a special service that has digital delivery confirmation receipts (costs to sign up) to opt out.Your opt out resets every year, so you need to pay every year to not pay for television, even if you don't own a TV.No wonder they all gobbled up the "Green Pass" in the pandemic.
>>517952838I'm somewhat hopeful it triggers a collapse because it's such a controlling and centralised system that it can't possibly work given how Europe operates currently. The entire reason anyone works to begin with is because they want to earn some money with which to buy stuff they actually want and this entire system change requires submitting all of your payments through a centralised bank where the government can accept/deny your requests, you are guilty until proven innocent and need loicenses or the correct authority permission before enjoying a hobby, and even that will be restricted because they want to use this system to monitor your health.Such a system is captivity, this will have the opposite effect of efficiency in the UK, it will make everyone work less hard because they know whatever they earn isn't actually owned by them, you won't even get to touch cash because that will be replaced with CBDC and the minute you're flagged as a criminal or bought too much alcohol or whatever, they've got a plan for you. Too much criminal behaviour is expensive to such a system, so they'll have to imprison you before you can do any crime whatsoever. Drank too much? You're now restricted from purchasing alcohol ever again. Phone a friend to buy you alcohol? He's banned too and now you have to attend a mandatory doctor appointment and rehab class to prove you're a good citizen just like Nanny State wants.I hate this shit, I won't accept the digital ID or any other system that comes after it. I die with my 'ID'.
>>517914583Everything can be a social construct if you want it to be.
>>517953958The real question is do these consumers actually want these things or have they been conditioned into it. When people had the basics to cover they had 150-180 days off a year in medieval Europe in some instances. They took their free time and built cathedrals out of charity. People should be secure in their homes, food and leisure time so they can actually develop a culture again. You don't need 50 different phones or any other electronic device or any other means of daily living. That is why manufactured obsolescence came to be. What we need is the best version of something built to last in a civilization where you can get it if you need it.I don't care if people suffer social consequences having receipts for their behavior. The town drunk was the town drunk before and people got shamed for associating with them. I want to know who I am dealing with at any given time. I do not think they're coming after your average person for a little excess here and there. But people who turn it into a lifestyle and others problems should be dealt with. If you have unregulated large societies you lose all trust. Only through social reinforcing do you get high trust. I will make as many people uncomfortable as necessary to get there.
>>517915108To gather citizens data that disagree.
>>517941934ThisUSB sticks are going to be a premium
>>517914953This is Kier posting from 10 Downing Street right now!
>>517914536The UK is gonna be just England and Wales by 2030
>>517941453Bruh you CAN. I listen to a podcast where this American alpha chad complains about how much government overreach there is in simply putting up a shed in Washington state.>Gotta pay for a geological survey to make sure you're not building on Indian arrowheads>Gotta pay for an ecological survey to make sure your roof doesn't displace rain and mess up the river>Gotta pay for a plumbing approval if you want to use the shed commercially eg for a gym>Every step is taxed>Also pay double tax for your income because the state and the fed needs their slice>Also Snowdon told you all that the metadata is being harvested and compiled for absolutely everything you do online, something that can be combed through very quickly now by machine learning>Fired if unvaxxed even longer than Italy did itSo you CAN be free.You CAN.You CAN.But ya ain't.
>>517955833>Englanistan and United Wales Emirates
>>517914536China has all kinds of digital and physical IDs and they are winning - many say they have already won. It's no surprise the Anglos want to copy it.
>>517915108Have you tried ultra violence against those in power? That is guaranteed to work if you use enough of it.
>>517914536Digital I.D doesn't stop illegal migration. They aren't using I.D. Tracking them is stopping them prior to entry, and they have tracked their numbers. How many thousands this week, but they haven't stopped them. Instead they've increased the crime and illegal rate so they can grandstand Digital I.D, and it categorically isn't for no Illegals. Illegals they tracked, 1000s entry weekly, and allowed entry.I'm sick to death of liars. If they're obviously lying about its use what does it actually do. If it's labour it does everybody else. Literally tax tax tax bullshit bullshit lie about it. It's for doxxing people. Not the illegals who aren't using aren't being stopped. Everybody else was using I.D anyway.
>>517956377No surprise an Australian is cucking to China. Don't they own all your natural resources? I wouldn't say the West is winning either, I'm being blackpilled by the fentanyl zombies alone, but if you're measuring China's success by how many cars it makes instead of how many suicide nets and cases of lung cancer it doesn't have, the standards of "winning" are still a bit skewed.
>>517956739It stops them working you idiot.They come here to make money.
>>517914536>uk does shit>hurr durr china
>>517950766I support government as a concept, so it'll be good no matter who gets in. Governments should be powerful enough to implement their policy preferences, not be hamstrung by bureaucratic holdups.
>>517914536rip bongs
>>517914687Fantasy history.
>>517954760I don't much care to compare medieval period to modernity because things have moved on significantly from feudalism; no they're much more collective and don't see any reason to give back 150-180 days back to your life, they seek to efficiently extract as much profit out of your efforts or lack thereof.They seek to replace charity & volunteering with mandatory charity or national service, and seek to implement such systems of power to allow for levying people or money whenever the state decides it needs to.As for obsolescence being a design in manufactured goods, that's mainly a fault to make products durable, reliable and repairable. A lot of that type of work has been sent overseas to save on cost - because it's cheaper to have a slave make a shoddy product that falls apart on delivery than it is to make a product that will stand the test of time and be easily repairable or even easy to build, a lot of this shit is expensive, uses rare materials and cannot be repaired because I am too dumb or the manual is incomprehensible (though usually you can hire someone to repair shit).Lastly, once they have this system in place, do you really think that my example of a town drunk is where they will stop? They're going after the average person in the street for any and all vices they hold to make them more pliable. It can be their hobby to fly planes, fishing, shoot guns or use bows & arrows or even simply hiking - these government systems are in place to change those behaviours entirely by limiting and restricting any that pose a threat to the system or those it governs. It creates bug people, and infantilises anyone that seeks to make their own decisions by flagging their behaviour as dangerous or risky.
>>517914953I choose to believe that this post is ironic
